Rangers-Flyers in review

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Flyers 4, Rangers 2.

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Thoughts:

1) The sixth and final game of another too-long preseason was a pretty gentlemanly, Lady Byng type game, you know, given the two teams involved.

2) So the Rangers go into the regular season on four straight preseason losses, two of those in OT, which mean less than squat. That doesn’t mean there are no reasons for concern. The Rangers really haven’t created much offense at all these last few games. And that’s partly because they’re playing two fourth lines most nights. Still …

3) They haven’t defended poorly. But they sure weren’t great last night, with the puck or without it. And that’s popped up a few times in the last four games … against virtually NHL-caliber opponents, while the Rangers used the games to look at things and evaluate talent. Still. …

4) Henrik Lundqvist looked pretty decent most of the night, then didn’t. He was beaten short side by Nick Schultz early second, but the shot clanged the left post. Then he robbed Sean Couturier on the breakaway mid-second. I thought the fourth goal, short side, was hideous. Hung out on too many quality chances, same as last season.

Philadelphia Flyers v New York Rangers5) “I think it’s always such an important part of hockey to keep the puck and when you lose it, you have to make sure you don’t lose in the wrong area because teams are too good and too fast and take advantage of it,” said Lundqvist, who admitted he needs this coming week of work before the opener. “A lot of times you do get hurt in odd-man rushes, so puck management and being smart all over the ice, especially around the blue lines, is always key I think. We talked about it throughout the game and we are going to discuss it over the next week.  We have a few days here to work out a few things and really get going here and prepare for another year.”

6) Worried about the PK yet? I know, I know. No Ryan McDonagh, no Derek Stepan, no Rick Nash. Still …

7) Alain Vigneault said he wanted to see a few more things, said there were still 3-4 jobs up for grabs, said he needed to figure out the puzzle. And when I asked him if he had found any answers, he said he did, very much so, even though he politely declined to share. To me it’s still a guessing game who is the fourth-line center, and where Brady Skjei or the scratched Dylan McIlrath fit, if anywhere. AV thought they might be at 24-25 players come Monday. I think rosters have to be in, and they have to be cap compliant, by Tuesday.

8) Skjei’s previous game in Brooklyn was better than the previous two. This one was more solid, I thought. If he stays and plays, the Rangers are better off, even if it takes him a while to get his game in order. Especially if Nick Holden is going to play the right side.

9) McIlrath? If he’s going to be No. 7 or No. 8, it might be time to cut ties and trade the likeable young man, who has worked his butt off to get where he is, but apparently isn’t going to ever be a regular here. He has to go through waivers to go to Hartford, so they probably need to hang onto him until they can make a deal, or unless some righties get hurt or play horribly. And you know who I’m talking about.

10) So the Rangers are going to do a team-building thing this weekend in New York City. Speaking of which, is it me, or are more and more places closed by 11 p.m. in the City That Never Sleeps?

11) They are going to do stuff with police and firemen. They are going to train with the NYPD Friday and talk about teamwork and communication, with the detective who defused the bomb on 27th Street a few weeks ago. On Saturday they are going to visit the World Trade Center site and museum. They will meet the police chief and also with the son of a 9/11 first responder. Awesome stuff, especially for the young guys. I mean, if you’re 23, you were eight in 2001. This should be a real eye-opener.

12) “All these next days in my estimation are very well planned,” Vigneault said. “We don’t really get an opportunity to really go out in New York that much and learn about the people, learn about the city, learn about the NYPD that we respect a lot. So I’m really looking forward to it. We’ve been talking about this to our team for a couple of days now and they’re really excited about having that opportunity.”

13) Was good that Boo Nieves got into a game after his “upper body Injury” in Traverse City last month. In the final minute of the first, he deferred to Marc Staal on the 2-on-1. Looked nervous, whiffed on the pass and got it back and almost scored. Gotta like this kid’s potential, his size and the way everybody has talked about his dramatically improved skating. They are thinking of sending him to Hartford for a couple of games this weekend, since he hasn’t played, but he could come back, it sounds like. I think he will wear as Rangers jersey at some point soon.

14) Josh Jooris. I imagine it’s possible a guy can play fewer than four periods in the preseason and still win the fourth-line center job, right? Thought some of his work on the PK was lacking.

Philadelphia Flyers v New York Rangers15) Jimmy Vesey won the Lars-Erik Sjoberg award, named for the late Rangers European scout and former star WHA defenseman (he played with Bobby Hull, Ulf Nilsson, Anders Hedberg in Winnipeg). I don’t think Vesey stood out far and above all the other rookies the way Oscar Lindberg did last year. But you can see, easily, this kid’s got a chance to be something special.

16) Though his line (with Nathan Gerbe in an experimental role on the wing) had a really rough night. Vesey’s buddy and center Kevin Hayes had a dreadful night with the puck … and in the last two games he’s 2-21 on 23 faceoffs.  AV said he thought that line’s issues were “a gas in the tank” problem (each of them had played four of six preseason games). But Vigneault added, “In Jimmy’s case … other than tonight I’ve really liked how he’s played throughout training camp.”

17) J.T. Miller’s gotten a fair amount of PK work and has looked darn good doing it at times – very aggressively – except when he gave the Flyers a 5-on-3 Monday. They cashed both ends. Not sure that we will see him here when the games count.

18) Onto some good news for you and ya boys: Pavel Buchnevich tipped  Dan Girardi’s shot, after good play by Chris Kreider at the blue line for his first goal and you could tell it meant a lot to him. Kreider didn’t get an assist because he gave it to Mike Zibanejad, who dropped it to Girardi. Buchnevich got an assist on Kreider’s goal in the second. Didn’t take any guff from the Flyers, and drew the penalty in the third period, then nearly tied the game on the power play.

19) Kreider, who’s been a force this preseason, just ran over Schultz from behind to take the puck on the power play later in the first. In the second he flew past Schultz to score on a wrister, and took Schultz’s stick to the chin as he did. Kreider’s been a beast this preseason, and throughout camp.

20) Kreider gave Teflon Radko Gudas a rough ride late in the second. In the third, when Gudas joined a pileup on Buchnevich, Kreider came in and horse-collared him. Then he skated away from the linesmen to invite Gudas to fight. Once the linesmen got between them, Gudas bravely dropped his gloves. So at least we know they can come off. I thought they were glued on. Kreider tried to get at Gudas again during the TV timeout late in the third. Good for him. Gudas looked like he was going to steamroll Zibanejad near the blue line and pulled up. Interesting. Gudas concussed Zibanejad for his only suspension, last season. Later Miller and Jooris took runs at Gudas. Both missed.

21) Adam Clendening didn’t look nearly as comfortable on the left as Holden has on the right, but I think he got better as the game went on. … Liked it when he took the textbook interference penalty against Dale Weise, then looked at the ref wide-eyed and said, “Me?” LOL. I think it was his giveaway that led to the 3-on-1 in the second, then he performed the rare successful snow angel to smother Simmonds’ pass. There is one play where it’s beneficial to play your off-side — when you carry the puck behind the net on your forehand and can get it off the glass and out of the zone much more easily. Clendening did that a couple of times. He also went for the long change that resulted in the Couturier breakaway.

22) Of course, after the Kreider goal, the lead doesn’t last long. A non-play by Brandon Pirri in the slot, and Staal unable to tie up his man, Mark Streit, driving to the net. Pirri later overskated a puck and lost it right in front of his own net. He’s going to have to score a ton if he makes plays like that. But I think as of right now, he’s Prucha’d on opening night while Buchnevich plays in the top nine.

23) Girardi had a pair of assists and nearly had a third when, after he took an icing, he made a three-line pass to Miller, who set up Jooris for a redirection that Michal Neuvirth stopped. On the tying goal, just after a Flyers power play, Girardi actually tied up his man, but Jesper Fast and Kevin Klein let Couturier sneak down the slot to redirect Streit’s pass.

at Madison Square Garden on October 6, 2016 in New York City.24) Then Jooris let Voracek behind him, for the back-door 3-2 goal on the power play.

25) The Empire State Building was not lit up in orange and black after the game. I checked.

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My Three Rangers Stars:
1. Chris Kreider.
2. Pavel Buchnevich.
3. Mika Zibanejad.
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From the NYR:

JIMMY VESEY NAMED WINNER OF 2016 LARS-ERIK SJOBERG AWARD

Award given to top rookie in Training Camp

NEW YORK, October 6, 2016 – The New York Rangers announced today that Jimmy Vesey has been named this year’s winner of the Lars-Erik Sjoberg Award, which is given annually to the top Rangers rookie in Training Camp as selected by the media.

Entering Thursday’s contest, Vesey, 23, has registered one goal and has recorded seven shots on goal in three preseason games this year. In addition, he has drawn five penalties in the three games he has played.

The 6-3, 207-pounder represented the Rangers at the 2016 Traverse City Tournament, registering five goals and two assists for seven points in four games. Vesey led all skaters in the tournament in goals and shots on goal (20), and he tied for first among all skaters in the tournament in points. Vesey’s five goals were tied for the most any player has registered in one year during the Traverse City Tournament since 2007, and his seven points were tied for the most any Ranger has posted in one year in the Traverse City Tournament.

Vesey, who was signed by the Rangers as a free agent on August 19, 2016, skated in 33 games with Harvard University last season, registering 24 goals and 22 assists for 46 points, along with a plus-11 rating and six penalty minutes. He won the Hobey Baker Award as the top player in collegiate hockey in 2015-16, becoming the fourth player in Harvard’s history to win the award. Vesey ranked fourth in the NCAA in goals per game (0.73), tied for seventh in goals, and ranked eighth in points per game (1.39) in 2015-16. Vesey recorded 56 goals over his final two seasons of collegiate hockey (2014-15 and 2015-16), leading the NCAA in goals over the span.

The Lars-Erik Sjoberg Award, which was first presented in 1988, honors the memory of Lars-Erik Sjoberg, who was the Rangers chief European scout for eight years. During his tenure with the Blueshirts, Sjoberg played a prominent role in the team’s decision to draft Europeans such as Tomas Sandstrom, Jan Erixon, and Ulf Dahlen. Prior to joining the Rangers as a scout, Sjoberg played five seasons with the Winnipeg Jets during their time in the World Hockey Association (WHA), and he also skated with Winnipeg in its inaugural NHL season in 1979-80. 

LARS-ERIK SJOBERG AWARD WINNERS
New Jersey Devils v New York Rangers1988  Mike Richter
1989  Troy Mallette
1990  Steven Rice
1991  Tony Amonte
1992  Peter Andersson
1993  Mattias Norstrom
1994  Mattias Norstrom
1995  Niklas Sundstrom
1996  Eric Cairns
1997  Marc Savard
1998  Manny Malhotra
1999  Kim Johnsson
2000  Filip Novak
2001  Dan Blackburn
2002  Jamie Lundmark
2003  Dominic Moore
2005  Henrik Lundqvist
2006  Nigel Dawes and Brandon Dubinsky
2007  Marc Staal
2008  Lauri Korpikoski
2009  Matt Gilroy
2010  Derek Stepan
2011  Carl Hagelin
2013  Jesper Fast
2014  Anthony Duclair
2015  Oscar Lindberg
2016  Jimmy Vesey

 

 

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  1. Good review Carp! Based on pre-season i think at least you can take your place as 1st line center!

    Have to say i thought the Kreider/Buke/Zib line has some serious potential when Kreider plays like that (real shame Zib is not a G of some kind so we can call them the KGB line!)

  2. Nice work Carp. Going to be a long week with no Ranger hockey, but glad preseason is over.
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    For a guy that won the Lars Erik Sjoberg award a few years ago, Fast might have had the worst preseason of any returning Ranger forwards. He redirected a shot to score a goal, but his PK work, skating, work on the wall/in the corner, passing were abysmal. Grabner looked kind of complacent for a guy on a new team. I don’t see Gerbe making the team and I agree that Pirri should not be in the top 9 or on the 4th line.
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    As mediocre as Skjei’s been, we need him here and to improve. Hopefully he looks better when he’s playing on a 3rd pair.
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    Re: PK- I’m officially worried. AV should be extremely worried too.

  3. Adam Clendening, looks fine on the PP, but so did R. Diaz. Kid shouldn’t play over McIlrath all the time. And it looks as if the Rangers will be short handed jut as much as they are on the PP.

    I’m astonished, astonished at the treatment of Mcilrath by this coach because I just do not see much better options from other personnel on D.

    From my eyes, I can’t see how Clendening gets more time over McIlrath and Holden can play both sides of the ice.

    McD, Staal, Shay, Klein, Holden, Girardi, McIlrath, Clendening in that order. If this team chooses to lose this kid for some journeyman it’s an absolute horrid waste of resources.

  4. Kreider should not be wasting his time trying to fight Gudas. The last thing you want is for him to break his hand on Gudas head. If McIlrath, and Glass are not going to be on the team, or regulars, I don’t know who is going to fill that role, but it should not be Kreider.

  5. The D is a big problem. They missed out on Seidenberg. Do they claim Stoner? They need to consider it.

  6. Top of the morning Boys?
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    What did we learn last night….. that we can send Skjei down and not lose a Dman? Is Mcilrath still a Ranger? Is Stoner that much better than what they already have?

  7. Stoner has a $3.25m cap hit, so they will have to clear a fair amount of space to even consider if….don’t see it happening. Echo what others have said, it would be a real shame to lose Dylan for a pittance and clendening is hardly better thn him (nor is Dan g and Holden has been underwhelming himself)

  8. Carp – when you say “Not sure that we will see him here when the games count.” about Miller, do you mean on the PK or are you saying he might be starting in Hartford?

  9. Stranger Nation on

    Claim Stoner? They already have Haze…
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    Staalled looked horrendous. Girardi is now an offensive Dman as he can no longer play defense.
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    THE is an absolute BEAST. Maybe he is jealous of Haze-VC’s relationship
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    Henk, glove side…say no more
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    If they jettison McDiesel and Girardi continues to fall apart, then what? A right side with two lefties including a player on his 6 team in 20 months.
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    Gerber on 4th line? I see it coming. Our 4th line forward are Yessper and Gerber, striking fear in the hearts of opponents. It’s all a speed league now right??

  10. If they sit McIlrath regularly again so that Girardi can play everyday, I don’t know … the team will have missed the chance to see whether DMac can be a useful part of the team.

  11. Liked Nieves game and size…skating style reminds me of Malhotra when he was here. Alot of rough nights specifically Staal and Hayes…think its time to end Fast experiment on PK ..opponent always seems to score.

  12. Sounds like Nieves could be here if the 4th line doesnt shape up well in the first month

  13. Positives:
    1) The Zika, THE, Buch line – very good.
    2) Stepan, Nash and Zucc did not play (I presume that’s line #2)
    3) Nieves, Holden and Miller looked good
    4) Kreider asserting himself – needs more support from the roster, like Glass and mcIlrath

    Negatives
    1) there isn’t much else there
    2) Terribly outplayed by the Flyers
    3) Playing Vesey with Hayes is a mistake – I would almost try Vesey at center – if the kid has that much vision, strength and skill, put him at center and put Hayes at wing. Waste of talent not to have the kid handling the puck more.

  14. I can see a trade happening on D, i dont think they’ll be comfortable after seeing Girardi play pre-season, they’re going to have to weigh up trades with retaining salary or a buy-out just to free up a few million in cap space to replace him.

  15. Anybody know why Zuccarello did not play a single preseason game? Is he hurt or sick?

  16. He’s played 16 games over the last few months and needed some “off-ice workouts” – presumably he’s got a few bumps and they don’t want to rsik him

  17. This is a flawed team in the OLD NHL. Today? They can go a long way. Yeesh.I don’t know.

  18. Would love to see a trade but who’s giving up a top pair Dman this time of year?
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    Unless you want to pursue Shattenkirk, Trouba or Fowler and we’ve covered all three of them.

  19. If Nash and the D don’t rebound from bad seasons, i don’t think Kreider, Vesey, Zib & Buke can carry the team – but having said that we have only seen 2 decent lines in each game while the other lines are guys vying for a job

  20. Hayes might be better suited to play wing. Faceoffs are part of it, but hes lslow and his defensive skills aren’t really strong enough to play center.

  21. Stoner should be picked up by Colorado. His jersey would be the #1 seller there. Think of how a guy with that name would fit in there.

  22. VOGS…I completely agree. I was thinking same thing about Diaz and clendening

    I think mcilwrath adds more to the game than a middle of road PP specialist. Clendening looks to be an ok option against preseason caliber competition.

    I am late to the bandwagon , but I now agree. Girardi has really aged quickly. Dylan should take his spot if we need clend in for PP quarterback.

    Also…AV used to like 8 D to keep even for practice purposes. The salaries of the guys fighting for 6/7/8 are not high so he could keep them around. And the old addage…u can never have too many depth D. Especially come springtime. There is no reason to shed our xtra D in trades or lose to waivers. We will need this depth as injuries are all but garunteed. Our top 4 D all have injury history. Klein seems to break a hand every year blocking a shot. MCd shoulder and concussion risk with so many minutes. Staal and G are another year older and will need rest days.

  23. Wouldn’t be surprised if Lindberg and Nieves are our 3rd and 4th line centers at some point this year if Hayes doesn’t get his act together. Glad he lost weight but haven’t noticed anything different on the ice thus far (despite Sam and joe trying to convince me otherwise, boy those guys are schills)

  24. Hayes will be better this year for the simple fact, his line mates are going to be better. Clendenning has been okay. Moves the puck well on the PP, but in his own zone he is just eh. Is Raphel Diaz, or Anton Stralman?

  25. Doodie Machetto on

    “Though his line (with Nathan Gerbe in an experimental role on the wing)”

    Gerbe IS a winger. Has been for his entire career. The experiment was using him at center.

  26. “He was beaten short side” is a phrase I think you will be hearing pretty often this season (and going forward).

    The ZBK line is looking pretty awesome.

    I would rather see the Undertaker in the box upstairs than to part ways. G will either be hurt or play himself out. NYR have to realize he is a sunk cost and if they aren’t going to buy out then stick him in the box as the guy that spells the others.

    I will be disappointed (I know, odd) to see Glass go, but I know he will return at some point!

    None of these guys they brought on for help on 3rd/4th lines really impresses so greatly that I wouldn’t rather get a kid like Nieves in there sooner than later.

    Speaking of 3rd lines… I continue to be woefully unimpressed with Hayes (btw thats the answer of who should be enforcer if Glass and Wrath are gone) If NYR can package G and Hayes and get something back (bacon cheeseburger, side of fries) that would be a win in the long term. I won’t deny Hayes has lots of potential but at some point he’s got to start showing it for real and consistently.

  27. Doodie Machetto on

    Jooris displaying what his numbers suggested we would see from him: bad penalty killing.

  28. Stranger Nation on

    Haze is not a pivot, horrible on FOx, not bad..horrible. Very slow in neutral zone, not a center . Trying squeeze this round peg into a square hole. Jay Tea or Oscar between Haze/VC? Would have been nice to try in pre-season…
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    Gerber is going to play 4th line as AV now his the softest team since the Smurfs, at least that team had heft on backline. We have the shuffleboard twins.
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    Pirri’s shoe is missing and the pumpkin driven by subway rats is parked at Penn Station.

  29. Good Review Mr. Carp !! I saw just a bit of it and DVR awaits.. thought NYR pace and game pace overall looked nearly like an NHL contest … Not like prior games this pre-season.. Rangers have mastered not pushing too hard in the pre-season contests !!
    I see that Kid Kreider offered Mr Ratgo a dance or two !!
    Yes it’s risky if he smashes his hand on the thick skull of that SOB ..
    I tell ya, it took me a while to put it together, but Kreider, when he gets it with some room to accelaerate through the nuetral zone, he reminds me a lot of another big winger that defensemen didn’t hope to see .. Some guy named Hull.. Bobby Hull .. both have thick torso and big azz legs and power from head to toe..
    Good to see Kreids using his assets like the poward forard he can be.. not shy about cutting it hard to the next
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    Vesey easy pick for top performance in camp by a rookie.. no disrespect to anybody else
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    Man, if they lose DylanMac for cheap, that’ll be tough to take ..
    Kills me that Buch and Brady are considered worthy of NHL game time (including growing-pain errors forgiven) in the sense of developing their NHL skill set yet Dylan doesn’t seem to be worthy of same consideration .. AV may be missing the boat on this one
    This is not a shot on Brady at all.. But his waiver exempt status could be utilized at the start of the season ..
    and if it plays out the Dylan sits for the beginning, and Brady plays so be it .. I hope Brady IS the next Brian Leetch as NYR has based their defense draft picks in that hope it seems to me excepting Dylan .. he was picked when size, strength and attitude were mucho important aspects of a defenseman
    I said it two seasons back that MCilrath needs NHL minutes to grow his game .. and much to his credit, that kid managed to get better at skating and shooting without getting too many of those minutes and never a single whine out of him ..
    Would Haze and Brady be : enough or too much or not enough to get the Troubador ?
    JAMESG – Sorry for the some-what over zealous response yesterday .. we actually see a lot of things on the same wave-length and your input is enjoyed and respected …
    I thought I get paid by the word re/ my blog entries…
    }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
    anybody making it to MSG for opener next week ? I am in..
    F’n ticket prices are tough .. as usual

  30. Agree on Lindberg and Nieves as 3/4 centers.
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    Kreider Zibanijad Buchnevich
    Vesey Stepan Zucc
    Miller Linberg Hayes
    Grabner Nieves Fast

  31. While you are trading Nash for Trouba, would you mind throwing in Fast in the deal.
    Thank You,
    BDL

  32. Kind of shows that they should try to deal a top 6 forward as part of a deal to bring back a top 4 dman if Gorton can pull it off without mortgaging the future.

  33. BDL- I’ve been defending Fast since he got here. Feel he’s gotten a bad rap around here, but as I said earlier, his preseason has been aweful. Could see him as 13th forward.

  34. Doodie Machetto on

    I have a middling but fading interest in playing fantasy hockey this year. If we could get at least 10 teams, I’ll even bear the grunt work of being commissioner and setting it up. I know James and Sioux would be in. So we need at least 7 more.

  35. Those of you who know me from Andrew’s old blog (whatever it was called, don’t remember) know that my main gripe was with the broadcast schedule. Well…

    …Just checked the schedule for this month, and it looks like 3 games (out of 9) will be on NHL-Network and an additional 2 on NBCSN. So those of us cord-cutters who live out of market and use NHL Center Ice to watch the games will have less than 50% of our team’s games available to us this month. This includes a stretch of 4 unwatchable games (Detroit on NBCSN, Washington and Arizona on NHL-Net back-to-back on a weekend, and Boston on NBCSN again). Meaning 12 days between games being available to stream.

    I understand the NBCSN thing…national broadcast on a partner network. Don’t like it much, but what can you do. But it REALLY burns me up that the NHL blacks out games on CenterIce that are also on the NHL Network. They’re basically competing against themselves. No sense whatsoever to do that.

    Anyway – onto hockey.

    OHH- Baby – Really nice amount of depth that we have. Even on the lower-lines, if a guy like Nieves can get some seasoning and show that he can be a good, cheap option to center the bottom line. We certainly have a few assets that can be moved to address our D. But yeah, only if we stay the course and refuse to pony up our high picks and remaining prospects.

  36. The Bonehead fantasy league appears to be set up again. Looks like the same exact peeps as last year, though I’m not sure if everyone has committed.

  37. Doodie Machetto on

    I didn’t see anything about it. Also, I thought Manny used to run that. It’s why I didn’t participate last year even though I was the defending champion.

  38. i really hope they don’t just throw away McIrath there so paper thin and Girardi and Staal look just as bad as last year..Don Clendenen is soft and will get knocked off the puck consistently…

    You can include me in fantasy

  39. Haze slow, can’t win face-offs, seems disinterested, checks like Lady Byng. Put him in a package (what package?) and get Shatty or Trouba. Local boy Shatty, like MSL, should love to skate here.

  40. Other than Holden, I don’t think any D man of the potential top 8 (I liked graves game a lot) was overly impressive. Klein, mcdonut, and mcilrath were fine capable. Girardi was what I’ve come to expect…6/7 d man level. Clendening was adequate, staal and skjel were poor to bad.

  41. And if Staal were going to improve and was working on a revitalization, we would have seen at least some of it already. We are probably going to have to live with him, alas.

  42. Sorry, Doodie. It was experimental in that they wanted to see if he can fill in as a top six/nine winger in an emergency. Did a lot of experiments last two-three games.

  43. Doodie Machetto on

    Got it. Misunderstood the purpose of the experiment. That’s why I am not a scientist.

  44. Fast is on scholarship. No matter how awful he plays, how often he is out for PP goal against, how often he gets knocked off the puck, or how many passes bounce of his stick, his spot will always be secure.

  45. jeff in south dakota on

    There hasn’t been a hurricane in South Dakota for millions of years, Carp. Tornadoes, Hail and Blizzards; those are daily occurrences.

  46. Doodie Machetto on

    I guess that means it’s between Jooris and Pirri for the 4C. Jooris is awful. The sooner he’s gone, the better.

  47. Wise guy burns down his 3 pizza parlors in Brooklyn, moves to Florida, gets bored, opens up another pizza parlor. Young insurance agent calls on him, tells him he’s in the Keys and needs hurricane insurance. Wise guy says: “I don’t need hurricane insurance, I don’t even know how to start a hurricane.”

  48. Maybe Nieves is recalled. AV said that was a possibility, that he would play a couple of games for Hartford, since he only had one here. That would be really interesting.

  49. Doodie Machetto on

    I certainly would love it for him to make the team. I’ve been a big time doubter of him ever since he was drafted.

    Carp, if Gerbe is claimed by another team and that team subsequently waives him, will his Switzerland out clause still apply? I figure you have no idea, so I’ll open this up to the floor as well.

  50. I could see Nieves getting 4th line role in about week with jooris going down.

    Mcilrath getting moved for a pick?

  51. Eugene
    Jets already stayed they want a lefty…so it would be skjel and Hayes for trouba, which is a deal I would do in a heartbeat.

  52. You couldn’t possibly look at this team and think they’re nearly as good as last year. Nash is still looked at like he was 6 years ago, he’s not the same player anymore. This team needs a top 3 forward and a top 4 defenseman to be competitive. Their scoring-by-committee formula might work well enough to eek them into the playoffs as a bubble team, but they’re a speed-bump in the first round unless someone steps up as a legit force or they somehow flip this rag-tag group of cast-offs into a couple bonafide players. I’m not holding my breath.

  53. DAVEB … this is CJ, from that other site as well. ;) I found myself unable to see a couple of games this preseason, did some searching and found this for FREE: http://onhockey.tv/ … Now, a few caveats … make sure you have some good anti-virus programs on when you’re watching, maybe an adblocker as well like Adblock Plus which is free. I’ve “heard” that malware, etc. might otherwise “come through”, especially with Russian feeds. Don’t know this for a fact, but ended up catching 3 preseason games through the site and have zero issues with my computer and it scans CLEAN.

  54. Don’t mean to be negative but I just finished watching the game I DVR’d it. PK still sucks, Girardi & Stalled look scary out there. If Stahl would move his feet he could be ok! On a positive note the KZB line looks good along with JT & Vesey. Other than that it’s going to be a long year!

  55. In fairness, I didn’t see Girardi do anything too terrible at all last night. He had his man tied up on the one GA. Wasn’t his fault at all. Moved the puck. Mostly stayed on his feet. Didn’t get badly beaten.

    Staal made one dreadful play.

  56. Let Nieves get some work in Hartford. Then bring him back up to center the 4th.
    .
    “PK still sucks.” This will be the reason AV gets fired. Gorton will get to hire his own coach.

  57. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Winning the Lars Erik Sjoberg award seems to be likely that you will be traded off the Rangers.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    They aren’t going to carry 8 defensemen. That Clendening hasn’t been sent down spells curtains for Mcllrath.

  59. I think Boo Nieves will be on the NYR very soon, if not game 1 at the expense of Grabner or Jooris. He is the most impressive so far from TC and last night. He might help me to forget Duclair.

  60. Agree. I like what Nieves is showing

    Disagree that they won’t carry 8 D

    Only reason they haven’t in past couple is we were up against cap

    When AV got here he said multiple times he liked having 8 so he can have even practice scrimmage pairs

    And….you need 8 or 9 NHL caliber defenseman come playoffs. And the race is tight this year so I need the depth/redundancy for regular season injury as well

  61. I find it humorous how some say this roster isn’t soft and they have plenty of toughness then in their next post it’s how this player or that player shouldn’t be fighting because they might break a nail or something…lmmfao!!!

    The reality is this, if any “issues” arise on the ice it’s going to fall on kreider or miller from the forwards or Klein or Holden on D.

    Someone will have to regulate for opie the victim…I mean derick gretzky…I mean stepan because whether some of you like it or not it is still part of the game. It’s a matter of you can’t do that to one of our players mentality that is just in the core of some players and always will be.

    Now unless you have a player like simmonds or perry or big buff etc (and understand that is just how they play the game and accept the fact they will regulate and scrap when needed) you either A) have to accept the fact guys like miller and Kreider are going to be involved in altercations and will sit for 5 minutes or more because of it (and possibly get injured also) or B) sacrifice a roster spot of an all star first ballot hall of famer like fast for a guy that can play a bit of hockey and regulate when needed (not talking about staged fights or an all I can do is fight player like mcgratton)

  62. what you need to do against clowns like those, wick, is A) have a good power play or B) play rough with their better players, i.e. Giroux.

    I don’t think the Rangers have those types of weapons in their arsenal, either.

  63. ie last night rangers dressed no “fighter” and miller was warning simmonds about running around etc and had a couple of convos with him (per msg broadcast) and Kreider went after gudas twice (dropping the gloves once)…so for those of you placing so much value on the Jesper Fast 12th forward spot, careful what you wish for and the subsequent consequences (again in no way shape or form am I saying or promoting the use of the 12th forwardspit for a fight only dinosaur…I mean player. They have to be able to play the game at a reasonable level).

  64. DAVEB, I’ve had great luck with Unblock-Us the last few years, and I’m a Brooklyn resident who doesn’t pay for cable. It’s five bucks a month and unblocks the in-market blackouts…I’ve never had a problem. I use it with AppleTV FYI

  65. I’ll second on Wicky’s suggestion of Haze & Brady for Trouba .. wouldn’t like to lose Brady but stud type Trouba coming back softens that … probably not sweet enough for them to say yes .. add in Lindberg? Add a pick ?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    please a little patience on the PK etc .. these are Pre-season games without the regular line up ..
    and Carp, Hank photo ?..
    what he is now a problem/question mark ?? Cmon Man ..
    maybe I’m too loyal and too much of an optimist .. But, Hank is not a problem .. have a little faith in the guy.
    I say no way Hank is in decline this year … maybe he has an area or more he needs to strengthen..
    Maybe there is a book on him now.. but nobody works harder at his own game than Hank ..
    Benoit – do your thing …
    Yeah, I’ve gotten PO’d a bit at Hank when he’s dropped down and they go over his shoulder because they had time to wait… but he is far from being a weak link …
    Problem is Ranger “Fans” often judge you by your last mistake .. nothing else seems to matter … doesn’t matter if he stops 5-8 really great scoring chances and he then let’s one in late and they lose 3-2.. it ain’t the offense that came up short, it’s the Hankster for letting in that one ..
    I’ve seen him get criticized by “Ranger Fans” when the team lost in a play off game where NYR got shut out !! Hanks fault even though the offense put up a donut … Ranger fans are funny sometimes

  66. Mcilrath be moved in a deal.

    Grabner no way gets sent down over jooris when Boo is ready.. Once Lindberg is back boo better be playing well.

  67. A little caution on Nieves. Yes, he’s big and skates well, BUT his college career revealed that he isn’t much of a goal scorer and he isn’t going to be a BIG point producer (so forgetting Duclair for Nieves isn’t ever going to happen, but Buchnevich is another story). I mean yes, late bloomer and all but I think there’s going to be a bit more to this process than some people think. I also think Jooris showed me something in his ONE pre-season game as well. He’s 26 and ready right now to play night in and night out in the NHL, can WIN faceoffs.

    I think they stick with the 24 they have, placing Lindberg on IR, so 23 … at least for 10 games or until they find a trade, but I’m not so sure the trade is McIlrath. I’m also skeptical when people suggest we can only get a 5th rounder for McIlrath. Remember, we swindled a 2nd rounder for Sanguinetti, who showed far less than the Undertaker in his time with us. Not saying we’ll get a 2nd, not even saying he’s the guy they trade — they may just wait and slip someone else through waivers right after the season starts, teams generally don’t pick players up off of waivers the first week or two into the season.

  68. Nieves is seen as a fourth-line center type at the moment. so they don’t expect a lot of offense, or need a lot of offense, out of him. I think there’s a good chance he starts in place of Jooris, if not opening night then soon, if he plays well in Hartford this weekend. Really excelled in Traverse City, opened some eyes with his skating.

    and Jooris, in his one game, did some good things. Meh on the PK. AV said “he tried hard.” which is hardly a ringing endorsement.

  69. Carp, Jooris was coming off a groin injury — I can’t judge guys too harshly when they do that, the groin is a sensitive area. ;)

    The fact that BOO can be sent down without waivers and Jooris can’t (plus was a cheap free agent signing ) makes me think he stays to start off with. Plus Boo has ZERO experience with being a 4th line center, he may have worked hard on his defensive game the last year at Michigan but that isn’t a role he’s used to … and 11-12 minutes a night doesn’t serve him well right now.

    The Rangers won’t fall apart because Jooris is playing and Nieves spends some extra time down in Hartford (of course the opposite is true, but Jooris would get plucked off of waivers). There’s just no downside to keeping Boo down on the farm for a month.
    — Everyone wants to trade Hayes even before we play a REAL game, that would be kind of ironic after Hayes got them Vesey this summer.

  70. Rob in Beantown on

    I’m late, but I will play Bonehead Hockey again. I look forward to it every year.

  71. Ogie Ogelthorpe on

    What’s the over/under on the actual number of games Glass spends in the Insurance Capitol ?

    I’m holding off on speculating, I remember too many seasons where I thought “wow, this teams sux” only to find out that many teams sucked worse. We did get over 100 points last year and this team looks like it may be marginally better. I’m enjoying one of the few times a season I can be optimistic.

  72. I know that jooris has to clear waivers to be assigned to Hartford, but would the Rangers be able to send to Hartford for a “conditioning assignment” given that he has been hurt. The Wolf Pack have a couple of games this weekend and Jooris could benefit from extra ice time in actual games, as opposed to practices.

  73. Not meaning to do that Carp ..
    it wasn’t until second look I noticed the Hank photo and the caption ..
    Kinda leads one to think it’s a commentary on the man and his game …
    and I get it that part of your thing as an NHL journalist is to shine the light on the less pleasant aspects of the team.
    and like I mentioned.. I am ever the optimist .. I truly hoped that Pops Danny Boyle would revive our power play.
    He did score pts pretty well for us but he never came close to the glorious expectations.
    Slats had a weakness for trying players who had something to prove or had been discarded or down graded by their original teams .. that Russian kid a few years back was one (Nick Zherdev).
    McDonagh and Brass were two first rounders that were kinda emitting that stink in their drafting teams’ rinks and became available. Slats did do well on a few of those type players .. MSL – That guys was so dedicated and hardworking and refused to lose and did do well here although Slats gave up too much for him.
    Brad Richards – Surely Torts had a big hand in getting him here but for way too much .. and too long
    and what was Slats drinking on the Girardi and Staal contract lengths.. and again, at the time I probably applauded those deals as locking up top D-men .. But I am a little more objective now
    it’s all good bro… the crew here has a lot of fun …
    Keep up the good work ..

  74. RE: to keeping 8 D…. (3 guys sitting a night)

    It’s AVs words not mine. Check the tapes in interviews his first season here. He likes having 8 D. I’m not making it up. Only reasons we ever went 7 were cap or lack of depth, mostly cap. Then had to use the spare fwd on D in practice which doesn’t help anyone. Except maybe the goalie getting some grade-A chance work

    Allows for the so called “maintenance days” too

  75. Rock- it’s no problem man. We all. One here because we’re passionate about the same team and seeing them achieve the same goal.Welcome aboard.

  76. Off topic for a moment- did you guys see Griffin Rheinhart was cut by the Oilers? Possibly another bust out of that 2012 draft. Amazing

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