No arbitration cases left for Rangers; Brassard signs 5-year, $25M deal


With almost all of the Rangers’ summer business completed, we’re going into the summer lull soon. So now’s the time for guest blogs. Anybody want to volunteer? If so, drop me an email at Thanks.

Here’s my story from The Journal News and

By Rick Carpiniello

Rangers GM Glen Sather continued his streak of avoiding arbitration hearings when he signed center Derick Brassard to a five-year, $25 million contract Sunday.

Sather hasn’t gone to arbitration since 2009 with Nik Zherdev, when the Rangers walked away from Zherdev’s award and made him a free agent.

Brassard, 26, a restricted free agent, was scheduled for his hearing Monday. He was reportedly looking for a $4.95 million (one-year) award while the Rangers’ offer was at $3,825,000. So Brassard gets more than his asking price, but the Rangers get five years of Brassard, who would have been eligible to be an unrestricted free agent next July. Brassard will earn $7 million in 2014-15, $6 million in ’15-16; $5 million in ’16-17 and $3.5 million in each of the last two seasons, for an annual cap hit of $5 million.

Rangers Report logoThe contract and cap hit look steep now, but in the latter portion of the deal it might be a bargain.

Brassard scored 18 goals and 45 points on the team’s most consistent line, centering Mats Zuccarello, who was re-signed for one year, and Benoit Pouliot, who bolted to Edmonton as a free agent. Brassard added 12 points in 23 playoff games.

The signing leaves the Rangers with only one restricted free agent unsigned, defenseman John Moore, who does not qualify for arbitration.

According to, which counts Jesper Fast, Chris Mueller, Mike Kostka and Matt Hunwick as rostered players, but does not include J.T. Miller, the Rangers have 22 players under contract and $1.3 million in cap space left. Not all of those players will be on the roster opening night, so there is some wiggle room, perhaps as much as $4 million still available.

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  1. Arghhh. Good year to be an UFA or RFA. Cap space is a challenge for the established teams this summer. *Populists win!* *Populists win!*

  2. Where are we getting $4m from Carp?

    Given thats already a full roster which is possibly only going to change by one or two names all with under $1k salaries (miller, lindberg etc).
    Swap Matt Hunwick at $600k for JMoops at say $1.25m we’ll have about $600k of cap space left.

  3. I thought Brass would come in at 4.5 x 4 or 5 years.

    The 5th year, was to bring the Cap hit down, and make him tradable if he doesn’t perform up to expectations.

    How do you fit Step in next year, if Brass is worth $5M?

  4. I slept on it and I’m still a fan of this deal. I don’t understand why anyone would be upset. The cap is going up. Players are more expensive than we think (always). So we have to live with it.

    And yes. Stepan will get $6M+. He deserves it. Especially with the cap going up over the course of that contract.

  5. Doodie Machetto on

    Dislike this contract, a lot. I don’t understand how anyone outside of a Brassard fanboy could like it.

  6. Brassard got exactly what he deserved. The comparables of recent signings with the players directly above him and below him with similar stats are pretty close. We actually paid a little less.

    I saw a table somewhere yesterday…..

  7. Rob in Beantown on

    It’s a fair deal that locks in our 2C for the long term. The alternative would have been signing Brassard for one year and then either paying him more next year or having him walk and paying his replacement more. I don’t see what’s not to like.

  8. Doodie Machetto on

    “I don’t see what’s not to like.”

    Brassard as your 2C for 5 years for 5 million bucks.

  9. Doodie Machetto on

    Never scored 20 goals, never had 50 points. Not a good defensive player. This is not a 2nd line center. It ruins your salary structure, because Stepan will have to get at least 6.5 if Brassard is getting 5.

    Did anyone ever consider that losing Brassard after next year is a better alternative to overpaying him for another 4, especially with Staal, Stepan, and St. Louis to resign after the season?

  10. Rob in Beantown on

    Well, I’m not a Brassard hater, but the frontloadedness means the contract should be highly tradeable in a few years if need be

  11. Rob in Beantown on

    I see Brassard as a 60 pt player during the course of this contract. These should be his prime years.

  12. The only downside I can see to this deal is that it might make *Cotton* *Stuffing* upset to see his boy get the years that he didn’t. Then again, it would be *adorable* to see Zucc shedding -tears- puppies.

  13. Rob in Beantown on

    Also, playoff Brassard is a beast. I want more guys like that on my team, not fewer

  14. Doodie Machetto on

    How can you see him as a 60 point player when he’s never even been a 50 point player! This isn’t a guy entering his third, fourth, or even fifth season. It’s his SEVENTH full-time NHL season. He is what he is at this point, 15-18 goals, 25-30 assists. Maybe those numbers go up a little bit to get him over 50 points, but he is not ever going to be a 60 point player.

  15. Rob in Beantown on

    I’ve seen enough flashes from Brassard to think he can be better. And I think with more years in AV’s system we haven’t seen the best from him yet. Even if he never breaks 60 pts, with the cap going up I think this contract is a bargain in a few years.

  16. Doodie Machetto on

    Playoff Brassard is streaky. Through the first 11 games of this year’s playoffs, he had 1 goal and 2 assists.

  17. Who were you planning on replacing him with, Doodie?

    Here is my impression of *Doodie*: “Hey guys. You’re opinion is wrong. I will now argue for the alternative viewpoint until I get frustrated”

  18. Doodie Machetto on

    This contract will never be a bargain. At best, if the cap rises and Brassard’s play can improve, it will be appropriate value.

    This is a 3C, nothing more, and never will be more.

  19. Rob in Beantown on

    The book on Brassard was he is inconsistent and a bit tough to coach. If anybody can bring out his best it’s his fellow Quebecois we have behind the bench.

  20. *Cap Hit Comparables for Brassard*

    Kesler, Ryan » 29 ANA 6 2010 2016 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.42% $0
    Cammalleri, Mike » 32 NJD 5 2014 2019 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.25% $0
    Brassard, Derick » 26 NYR 5 2014 2019 $7,000,000 $5,000,000 7.25% $0
    Plekanec, Tomas » 31 MTL 6 2010 2016 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 8.42% $0
    Moulson, Matt » 30 BUF 5 2014 2019 $6,000,000 $5,000,000 7.25% $0
    Neal, James » 26 NSH 6 2012 2018 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.12% $0
    Grabovski, M. » 30 NYI 4 2014 2018 $4,000,000 $5,000,000 7.25% $0
    Filppula, V. » 30 TBL 5 2013 2018 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.78% $0
    Vrbata, Radim » 33 VAN 2 2014 2016 $5,000,000 $5,000,000 7.25% $0
    Ryan, Bobby » 27 OTT 5 2010 2015 $5,562,500 $5,100,000 8.59% $100,000
    Weiss, Stephen » 31 DET 5 2013 2018 $4,500,000 $4,900,000 7.62% $100,000
    Gaborik, Marian » 32 LAK 7 2014 2021 $6,075,000 $4,875,000 7.07% $125,000
    Clowe, Ryane » 31 NJD 5 2013 2018 $4,850,000 $4,850,000 7.54% $150,000
    Byfuglien, Dustin » 29 WPG 5 2011 2016 $5,750,000 $5,200,000 8.09% $200,000
    Benn, Jamie » 25 DAL 5 2012 2017 $5,250,000 $5,250,000 7.48% $250,000
    Hartnell, Scott » 32 CLB 6 2013 2019 $5,000,000 $4,750,000 7.39% $250,000
    Clarkson, David » 30 TOR 7 2013 2020 $4,750,000 $5,250,000 8.16% $250,000
    Kane, Evander » 22 WPG 6 2012 2018 $6,000,000 $5,250,000 7.48% $250,000
    Lupul, Joffrey » 30 TOR 5 2013 2018 $5,250,000 $5,250,000 8.16% $250,000
    Krejci, David » 28 BOS 3 2012 2015 $5,250,000 $5,250,000 7.48% $250,000
    Carter, Jeff » 29 LAK 11 2011 2022 $6,750,000 $5,272,727 8.20% $272,727

  21. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, not knowing who the replacement would be is no reason to lock yourself into a bad contract.

  22. Rob in Beantown on

    Dave Bolland just got $5.5M for 5 years. That’s what a UFA costs on the open market. We have nobody in the system who can step in and replace BRassard right now. That should tell you all you need to know

  23. Doodie Machetto on

    The centers on that list are Kesler, Plekanec, Grabovski, Filppula, Weiss, Krejci, and Carter.

    I’ll disqualify Carter because he has a circumventing deal, and I’ll disqualify Kesler and Plekanec because of how long ago their contracts are signed. Those three wouldn’t be fair to compare to Brassard.

    So you’re looking at Grabovski, Weiss, Filppula, and Krejci. You know what all of those guys did before signing their contracts? Score at least 20 goals multiple times and/or have at least 60 points.

    I’d also throw out Bryan Little and Jiri Hudler, who both have better scoring track records but are making less than Brassard.

  24. Doodie Machetto on

    Dave Bolland got that from Florida because of Dale Tallon wanting his guy. It’s also been a universally derided contract. So looking to Dave Bolland’s awful contract to justify Brassard’s contract doesn’t help you, in my opinion.

  25. Doodie Machetto on

    Put another way, even Toronto looked at Bolland and said “no way are we giving this guy 5.5X5.”

  26. Not a lover or a hater of Brass. I think the contract is fair in today’s NHL. Glad we resigned all of our rfa’s. I suppose J Moops will get done soon.

    LGR !!!

  27. How many more months until we’re in the thick of realizing this team is still very thin on offensive talent?

    5 million for Brassard. Inflation’s a b$%^&.

  28. Doodie Machetto on

    You don’t need to overpay to lock yourself into mediocrity just because you don’t have a safety net. Overpaying for mediocrity will not turn it into competency. Sometimes letting a guy walk is not the worst decision in the world, especially in a salary cap world.

    When you’re constantly paying for mediocrity in a cap world, you end up with a team like the Capitals.

  29. I’m really down on Brassard. I think, throughout the season, people always were claiming I hated him. I don’t think he’s nearly as good as some people on here think.

    I think someone like Brassard, in today’s NHL, is worth what he got.

  30. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, agree to disagree, then. I just don’t see how he’s worth 5 million a year. I don’t. And more fundamentally, I don’t like the organizational philosophy of overpaying a guy because we don’t have a replacement at the ready. And I don’t like what this contract does to our salary structure and future negotiations.

  31. On another note, my friend was telling me that he’s working as a consultant with a company that has developed the software for essentially replacing attorneys in the discovery process. Machines that catalog everything that’s in the discovery packet and can redact, make decisions and index everything in millions of pages of discovery.

    Guess going to law school is *NOT* a good idea anymore.

  32. I think Lexis and Westlaw already promote software like this to help firms easily index and cross reference.

  33. Doodie, last week you were saying there is no way that Brassard got $4.5M. I think you’re stuck in the 90s or something. ;)

    It’s the price to buy out FA years. While I agree with your point that you shouldn’t overpay because you don’t have a replacement, that’s the way it works. However, in this case, I don’t think they are overpaying.

  34. And it’s pay this now, or $7M AAV next year for a center that maybe has scored 60 points.

  35. There was nothing mediocre about the Brassard line this season – they were our best PP and even strength trio for large chunks of the year (with little or no help from the PP “QB”)

  36. this is how someone named matt tried to spin rick nash’s season on blueshirtsunited.

    MATT: Rick Nash’s season got a bit derailed right from its start, as the big forward was sidelined with a head injury in the third game of the season in San Jose. After missing about 15 games, Nash returned and slowly got his feet back under him. His best stretch came in January, when he scored 11 goals in 11 games, and was just dominant in doing so. When he was healthy, Nash was often times one of the best players on the ice for either team. Missing the amount of games he did hurt his goal total, and I fully would have expected between 32 and 35 goals for No. 61 had he not missed any time with injuries.

    Late in the season, Nash added a defensive element to his game. That isn’t to say he wasn’t respectable in his own end prior to this season, but he took it up a notch, even leading head coach Alain Vigneault to use him as a penalty killer.

    Nash had a difficult playoff scoring just three goals in 25 games, but that is a bit misleading. He finished the postseason with 83 shots on goal and a 3.6 shooting percentage, way below his career average of 12.4 percent. Clearly he just ran into an immense period of bad luck, and it isn’t expected that that will carry over into next season.”

    i think ranger fans deserve to be treated like intelligent people and not mindless fans. Its shameful that the PR department thinks they can story tell any crock they want to ranger fans.

    Entertainment in general, treats it customers like they are mindless idiots who will follow and fall in line with the official story, from the ‘experts’

  37. Other than this line: “Clearly he just ran into an immense period of bad luck, and it isn’t expected that that will carry over into next season”, I don’t think there was anything outlandish in that assessment.

    Truth is, he wasn’t strong enough on the puck, nor did he get into prime scoring positions often enough in the playoffs. And, I’m not sure if it will carryover or not. But, the other stuff seems about right.

  38. Rob in Beantown on

    I agree, but I think if you want unbiased opinions you shouldn’t be getting them from the team’s PR people.

  39. The guy then proceeded to say he thought Nash played like a power forward the final 3 months of the season. Does this guy ‘matt’ know what a power forward is, or how one plays?

    Maybe he just confused the terms perimeter player and power forward

  40. Contract seems high, and it is, but until the Pouliot signings stops, it seems worth it. Has good talent entering his prime. Ans stop overvaluing Stepan. You want to say Bass is not that good, neither is Stepan. Most overrated player on team. He will be a problematic signing and be asking for the moon. That is why they locked up Brass.

  41. _The guy then proceeded to say he thought Nash played like a power forward the final 3 months of the season_

    OK, that I wouldn’t agree with. I mean, he was on pace for 33 goals over an 82 game season. But, let’s not go overboard with how “well” he played.

  42. Its hard to finish second with a team of mediocre players, no size and star players only playing OK.

    Why didn’t AV win the Jack Adams ?

  43. I still find that controversy laughable. THE KREIDER did nothing short of his job.

  44. Its clear to me that this roster is poorly constructed, overpaid and generally underperforming.
    Which is why we did better than 28 other teams and need to blow it all to pieces and replace departing stars like (4th liner) Brian Boyle and (#4 d-man) Anton Stralman and let (2nd line center) Derick Brassard leave for nothing because we wouldnt want to tie up a forward for his prime years at a reasonable rate.

  45. Doodie – Brassard’s contract is very tradeable. So I don’t think its a bad contract at all. HE did center the #1 line last year, and he performs in the playoffs. Now if we could only get Nash to play up to HIS contract, this team would be Stanley Cup Champions!!!

  46. Doodie Machetto on

    “Guess going to law school is NOT a good idea anymore.”

    It hasn’t been for quite some time.

    Gravy, what I said about Brassard not getting 4.5 million was for an arbitration award. And even then, I took it back when Buffalo paid Ennis so much money, because that could be used as Brassard’s comparable.

    However, the days of paying 7MM for middling talent on the UFA market are over. Stastny is the only guy who 7 MM, and he got it on a four year deal, and even then, this is a guy who has scored 20 goals 5 times and been over 70 points 3 times, and over 50 points 3 other times. Brassard has not done any of those things yet, once.

    I would have rather taken him to arbitration, tried to work out a more reasonable deal, and if he passed on an extension, trade him at the deadline or let him walk at the end of the season.

    Having Brassard for 5 million a year will not help this team win a cup.

  47. What’s not to like about Brass contract.

    He’s 26, coming into the prime of his career. He’s had 3 40pt seasons. He has certainly graduated to the #2 Center. I could easily see him having a 25-25 year, now that Richards is gone.

  48. Who cares about the 7MM, its 3.5 for the last 2 years.

    It’s a better alternative to 1 year, then no #2 Center next year. With a possibility of losing both Brass and Step. That would be too much of a gamble if you ask me.

  49. Who knows Doodie, maybe that’s the contract SJ wants to flip him for JUMBO?

    It’s a very tradable contract if he grows into a 50-60 point player.

  50. Doodie, I believe the quote was that you didn’t see any way he would get $4.5M under either scenario, but since I’m too lazy to go back and copy it…. ;)

    I feel exactly the same way as Manny about Brassard, and I also think it’s a good contract. And it is tradeable in the last 2-3 years.

  51. Might be .5-1 mill more than a complete bargain, but for what Brass has shown me in the past years is he’s clutch, and is still young and has good vision. Both Brass and Step could center a first line imo.

  52. The more I look at Stempniak, the more I like about him. He is a solid 30+ pt scorer for 900K.

    He could easily replace Pouliot numbers, while taking 1/2 the penalties. He has a lot of speed, and has a solid 2-way game.

    You have to admit you get lost as a hockey play out in Calgary. Nobody notices a good player on a bad team.

  53. I’m still of the opinion that the only thing they should have done differently was keep Boyle instead of Glass, but that can also change depending on what happens with the cap space.

  54. My other problem is they haven’t improved their depth at center. In fact, they subtracted two (Boyle still played at times) without adding any.

  55. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny’s impersonation of me was pretty accurate. I’m frustrated and done arguing.

  56. Doodie Machetto on

    The last thing I’ll say is that I don’t expect a significant increase in his scoring. I can’t see him topping 55 points at any point in his career.

  57. Gravy – I’m thinking both Miller & Lindberg get a shot at center, with a veteran signing of Lombardi, could be another 30pt center if he gets the minutes.

  58. Doodie, you’re probably right. You’d think he’d have at least lucked his way into 50 points at this stage. Doesn’t mean he is being overpaid, or that the money would be better spent elsewhere.

  59. Manny – of all people that HATED Stralman, and is now gone.

    Dan Boyle makes the power play better.

    I thought you would be happier.

    B Boyle could have stayed if he wanted to. Now if Stemp replaces him on wing that could double the points of Boyle for the year.

  60. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, then that’s our disagreement. I think it would, both in terms of replacement player and in terms of it not being just about his 5 million, but what giving Brassard 5 million does to the rest of your salary structure.

  61. Slats had a center dearth without Richie and Brass, especially with Miller having not yet fully proven himself. He has a profusion of FA problemos next off-season, added Zucc to that troublesome list, and at the end, had the need and the bucks available to tie up Brass.

  62. Doodie Machetto on

    Our PK is worse. As we’ve seen after the departures of guys like Betts and Prust, it’s not an automatic to find competent PKers.

    Boyle is addition by subtraction over Richards on the PP.

  63. Doodie Machetto on

    But will he have the bucks to tie up Stepan, Staal, MZA, Hagelin, and a backup goaltender after giving Brassard 5 million? I’m not so sure he will, both because of the actual dollars lost to Brassard and the bar Brassard’s contract set for players that are better than him (which Stepan, Staal, and MZA, and Hagelin all are).

  64. I mean, the core issue with all the points being brought up stem from not keeping picks and/or using them wisely. So, they’re constantly going to be plugging holes or making decisions against the cap.

    MZA will sign during the season. I think he’ll wind up between $4-4.5M AAV.

  65. Boyle on the Blue Line makes this team better. If he can help the power play, and he certainly has the resume for that.

    Nash & MSL will have to lead this team from the start. They can’t go much farther than they did last year, 3 ot wins. 2 of them double overtime.

    Can Nash bounce back from a “bad” year? Will a full year of MSL help this team?

    Can the YOUTH make this a “better” team?

  66. Doodie Machetto on

    If you’re MZA, why would you ever take less than Brassard? Especially -if- when he outscores Brassard again this year.

  67. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cotton Stuffing didn’t have a handshake agreement already. Although I’m basing that on his adorableness.

  68. While players are always looking for top dollar, MZA has displayed some loyalty to the organization by taking very team-friendly deals the last few years.

  69. Doodie Machetto on

    It’s funny. For years, I clamored for them to play the kids. Now we finally have opportunities to play the kids, but our kids all suck so much that it doesn’t matter.

    Gravy, what you said about trading away all of the 1st rounders is spot on. And it’s part of the reason I’d have gone to arbitration with Brassard then possibly let him walk next year. I’d rather lose a little bit and get better long term then sign guys to put bandaids on roster spots. Brassard is NOT a 2C. not even close.

  70. Topo always has been handed little more than a modicum of confidence. They keep saying, and still say ‘prove it.’ I think he’s delighted with his temporary 3.5 and future sugarplums dance in his head, but if he gets off to a slow 4 month start, Slats might start to look elsewhere. Zucc will do everything he can to force management’s hand, so I think we’ll see everything he has, and that should be good for us.

  71. *METAL* update:

    The *Panopticon* album, _Roads to the North_ , described as, “Appalachian folk meets atmospheric black metal in another boundary pushing performance from Austin Lunn. Colin Marston provides a suitably thick production” is now streaming in entirety on NPR:

  72. “…Now we finally have opportunities to play the kids, but our kids all suck so much that it doesn’t matter…”

    LOL, but also crying out loud, for crying out loud.

  73. leetchhalloffame on

    For a million $ a year more than he’s worth Brass needs to show up more frequently in the regular season.

  74. Anyone that hates brassard’s deal at 5×5 is really going to hate a Stepan deal at 6+ for several years.

  75. So what Doodie is saying his expectations are so low for the kids, it won’t take much to impress him!

    The DUKE could be the second coming of THE Kreider.
    Lindberg was the MVP of the elite league in Sweden.
    Miller can play with an edge, will he AV give him enough time to learn the rest of the game?
    Fast is Fast!
    Danny might fall through the ice, before he gets a chance to skate on Garden ice. So I give up stumping for that one.
    Bucknevich is lost in Russia, so you never really know what you have there.
    Haggerty – was an NCAA leading scorer, what does that add up to down the road?

  76. I’m thinking Brass will score his 50pts, and continue in the playoffs.

    Before Nash scores his 70pts, and helps his team in the playoffs.

  77. A lawyer starts out giving $10,000 worth of advice for $200 and ends his career giving out $200 worth of advice for $10,000.

  78. I should start doing *Electronic music* updates…since not so many of you are into it, you have a lot to catch up with.

  79. I’d also like to apologize in advance to anyone that is on twitter that I might have followed from here, if you been unfollowed by me, let me know and I will follow again.

  80. Follow me across the sea
    Where milky babies seem to be
    Molded, flowing revelry
    With the ones that set them free.

  81. Wicky

    What about apologizing to people from here that you never followed to begin with? Will we (I) ever get the apology?

  82. I think Staal and Hagar are goners at some point within the next calendar year.

    Msl may not be back next season.

    Stempniak and Lombardi might be gone (more than likely).

    If kids play well, never know who may get moved.

    As far as miller goes, like I have said before, seeing him play and never seeing Lindberg play…I’ll take Lindberg everytime.

    Miller is the most disappointing prospect we have IMO (at least to me he is)

  83. Cccp
    As one of my 3 favorite Ukrainians, I apologize. Let me know your twitter handle and I will follow.

  84. I’m fine with that number. He’s going to be our #1 and he’s a better option than paying $8M to a UFA

  85. is it just me, or does this team look to be cap-screwed for years to come?

    and/or is this what Bettman and the governors want?

  86. I think the NHLPA and the Agents are going to force competitive teams to spend right up to the cap regardless of what it is. The non competitive teams will continue to spend just above the floor.

    I think this is what Bettman wants because if you want to be competitive there is parity because you are all going to maximize your advantage by spending up to the cap.

  87. Remember when Slats said, long ago, that if he had the Rangers’ money to work with, he’d win every year?

  88. I remember the days when baseball players had no idea what other players were making. Was probably true, also, in hockey.

  89. Doodie Machetto on

    “is it just me, or does this team look to be cap-screwed for years to come?”

    Not just you.

    Coos, Slats’ phrase actually doesn’t apply in a cap world, since we are constrained about the cap. What’s scary is that when there wasn’t a cap he signed bad/mediocre players to elephantine contracts, didn’t make the playoffs once, and was still allowed to oversee the team’s firesale, and allowed to stay on as GM after that, too.

  90. ThisYearsModel on

    The Brass contract is not terrible at all……when you think of guys like Clarkson and Bolland. Staal should get tied up after New Years along with Zucc.

  91. cap-screwed for years or until they trade the Nash contract. Literally, whichever comes first.

    Realistically, with Nash still on the books next year either St.Louis does not get reupped unless he takes a couple million discount or Hags is gone or Staal is gone. Thoses youse options.

  92. Rangers West on

    Smells like trade spirit?

    I am hoping Hayes becomes an unrestricted free agent and the Rangers sign him.

  93. I was torn on brassard contract now that I think more about it I hate it. Yes it’s going rate for decent 3rd 2nd line centers but the guy has never gotten 60 pts. I hate the term more then the cap hit. 5 yrs was too long. 3 for 15 I could live with.

  94. well considering there were people happy with richards output at a 6.67 mil cap hit, the head coach included ..

    Ill gladly take 55 pts a year from brassard at a 5mil cap hit.

  95. Carp are the rangers any more cap screwed then the blackhawks, or the bruins, or the penguins.

    Its what happens when you have homegrown players who develop into long-term investments and you spend to the cap every year to compete for a cup.

    The rangers will be cap screwed if they are unable to supplement their roster with productive ELC players over the next 3 years.

  96. Doodie Machetto on

    Kevin Hayes is a drafted college holdout like Schultz was with Anaheim/Edmonton a couple of years ago (or Erixon with Calgary or Wheeler with Pheonix). He was drafted by the Blackhawks in 2010. If he doesn’t sign by August 15, he becomes a UFA. He played with Kreider at BC. Pretty good prospect, and a huge win for whomever signs him since it costs them nothing but money.

  97. Hayes was a Blackhawks pick that has to be signed, I believe, by the end of the month. Otherwise, he becomes a free agent, and the Rangers supposedly had interest in him.

  98. Doodie Machetto on

    Elliot Friedman says he thinks its between Florida, Boston, and Pittsburgh.

    Florida: His brother plays for them, although they are taking him to arbitration this week, so who knows at this point.

    Pittsburgh: Tom Fitzgerald (Assistant GM) is his cousin.

    Boston: He played four years at BC.

    I’d also suggest Calgary as a possibility, since his linemate this past year, Johnny Gaudreau, plays there.

  99. Doodie Machetto on

    No, different than Gilroy. Gilroy was undrafted. This is a guy who was good enough to be drafted and didn’t just become good later.

  100. doodie- i went through the league and listed each team’s top centers point wise.

    going off of the stats from I dont think all of these players are centers, but I’m going based on’s database.

    ducks- getzlef, cogliano
    coyotes- ribiero, vermette, hanzal
    bruins-krecji, bergegon
    sabres- hodgson, ennis
    flames- hudler, backlund, monahan
    canes- e. staal, j. staal
    hawks- toews, shaw
    avalache- duchense, o-reilly, MacKinnon
    jackets- johansen, dubi
    stars- seguin, eakin
    red wings- datsyuk, shenehan
    oilers- nugent-hopkins, gagner
    panthers- bjustad, barkov
    kings- kopitar, carter, richards
    wild- m. kouvi, granlund
    canadiens- desharnais, piekanec
    predators- craig smith, mike fisher
    devils- zajac, henrique
    islanders- tavares, nielsen
    rangers- stepan, brassard
    senators- turris, spezza
    flyers- giroux, schenn
    penguins- crosby, malkin
    sharks- thornton, couture, pavelski
    blues- backes, berglund
    lightning- stamkos, filipula
    maple leafs- bozak, kadri
    canucks- h. sedin, bonino
    caps- backstrom, marcus johansson
    jets- little, scheifele

    based on what you see, brassard isn’t a 2C?

  101. id swap 2C with the bruins, canes, avalanche, kings, penguins, and sharks (pavelski),

    I might swap 2C with the hawks and the lightning.

    and thats not taking into account teams like the jets who’s current 2C is their 1C of the future.

  102. Doodie Machetto on

    jpp, no. That list has many errors in it. It also ignores players who have reduced point totals due to injury, such as Ryan Kesler, and some teams with more than two players better than Brassard at center.

  103. Rangers West on

    Hayes played with THE (They have a relationship) is 6’4″ with speed and good hands. A lot of the stuff I’ve read claims he us NHL ready. Why not?

  104. bull dog line on

    I will start with, if the Rangers could sign Hayes I would. I did see him play 2 or 3 times last year, and I was not that impressed. maybe I saw him play on an off night. I just thought he was a bit of an awkward player. still I would take a chance.
    I do not have a problem with the Brassard contract.

  105. I compiled that list in 10 mins, based off database, narrowed the search to centers, and then went team by team. Other then ribiero, I didnt include players who moved this summer, and in the case of Kesler or whoever else, I didnt put players who changed teams on their new team.

    I didnt look to see which players where at the bottom of their teams list bc of game played. Doodie if you want to correct that list a little and put yours. Please do.

    But honestly man, doodie if you looked at that list and still dont think brassard is an average 2nd line center, i’d prefer to agree to disagree right now and let it go

  106. hoenstly doodie, I want to see this in the most respectful way. based on what you said, I just went through every teams seasons stats again, and there isn’t a single player who missed time that I didnt list.

    you kinda just spoke without looking into it.

    Or can you point out who your referring too.

    Also kesler played 77 games last year

  107. thats trollish man. I took the time to make the list, as a benefit for everyone here, and you blast it as being error filled without even looking into it.


  108. jpp, no. That list has many errors in it. It also ignores players who have reduced point totals due to injury, such as Ryan Kesler, and some teams with more than two players better than Brassard at center.

    every point you made is off base.

  109. anyone can look at the stats themselves

    all stats, narrow to center, go team by team.

    lets see how many of us can name players i missed.

    I am sure I missed a couple.

    But lets see

  110. I’m going to hit some waves, I’m looking forward to coming back later this evening and seeing this whole list of players I missed.

  111. Rangers are at max contracts if you include Jmoops, they have two contracts that will slide when they return them to juniors but I believe they count against the 50 until they do. Don’t see them able to sign Hayes unless it’s to a Hartford contract with the understanding that it’ll be upgraded to an elc during camp. Doubt Hayes has that much interest in the Rangers to put up with the chicanery when he can just get the same basic contract from his choice of 28 other teams.

  112. At least one of the following needs to happen:

    1) jpp, JJP, jpg need to change their screen names

    B) all three need to get avatars

    III) none of them can post back to back to back to back, especially when quoting a response to a post in which their screen name appears

    q) I need to decide what to do for dinner

  113. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Everything except the dinner thing I highly support Gravy’s assertions regarding jjp, jpp and jpg. Except jpg has an avatar.

  114. Doodie Machetto on

    First of all, you’re assuming that because a guy is a top 60 center in the league, he’s a legit #2. That’s simply not true. Just as it’s not true that there are 30 true #1 centers. Second of all, your list is based on last year’s points, but it’s got current location of players on this year’s rosters (Bonino on Vancouver, for example).

    But, bearing that in mind: Paul Stastny not listed, Ryan Kesler not listed, no Tyler Johnson, no Alex Steen, no David Legwand, no Mikhail Grabovski, no Henrik Zetterberg (historically a center and played center frequently last year).

    I take all of those guys, except Legwand (who had an abnormally good year), over Brassard. I am also ignoring upside of players who will improve (Mika Zibanejad, Nick Bjugstad, and Sean Monahan quickly come to mind). Meanwhile, I think Brassard is what he is at this point.

    I’d say I have Brassard at about 50 among centers, based on last year alone. If I were projecting for next year, I would put him probably outside of the top 60. And if we were talking about centers I would trade Brassard straight up for that won’t be better than him this season (Scheifele, Barkov etc.) we will be well into the 100s.

  115. Jeff Carter wins everywhere he goes.

    Great pic with the cup and the extra hardware!

  116. Doodie Machetto on

    He was the 19th President. Not to be confused with Martin Van Buren, who was 8th. I used to have an interesting story about him but I sold it.

  117. Doodie – Why wouldn’t Hayes sign with the Blackhawks?

    Is he worried, he won’t make the team?

  118. If Brassard Develops the way he should it’s a good deal. If not we’re screwed

  119. What has become of all the hot rumors about Ranger coaches being in demand all over the world?

  120. If there were always intentions to sign Brassard to a long term deal, why did they wait until the last minute?

    I think Brassard has a lot of growing to do as a player if he is to live up to that contract…so far as I can tell, there is no NTC/NMC so it is a tradeable deal…

    It’s basically Pouliot’s contract in EDM. Too much money for way too many years…

    Funny thing is, if anyone deserved a 5 year deal worth at least $20M, it is ZUCC!

    We better hope Zucc doesn’t break 70 points next year…otherwise, how do we afford his next deal?

  121. Pascal’s Wager: Without Brass we’re screwed; with him we might not be screwed. Best to go with the latter.

  122. All Brassard’s agent had to do was pick up an Edmonton newspaper from a few weeks ago and show it to Slats…

  123. I think he is a decent 2C, but I’d like his contract better if it was 20mil over 5.

    He is clutch though!!

  124. But I think most guys are over paid, I can only think of 4 contracts on the rangers that I think are paid appropriately at this time.

  125. Anyone not familiar with Pascal’s Wager, you will find it brilliant, yet simple, and could change, or at least enhance your life. Don’t mean to proselytize. Take it or leave it.

  126. Klein, kreider, step, Hagar are paid appropriately at this point. I think Hagar and step will be overpaid next year.

    Glass is probably paid about right as well.

    Mcdonut, j Moops, and talbot are under paid.

    The rest make varying degrees of over paidness IMO.

  127. Incredible scam the NHL has going on playoff payoffs. Basically all for prestige, like a High School tournament. If the Masters, PGA, and the two major Opens could get away with it, they would, too.

  128. Game 7 2004 SCF Tampa – Calgary on NHL Network right now…

    Fedotenko just opened the scoring…

  129. ZzZz NYR ZzZz© East Champs on

    Dooggie is living in the 80’s. He says Brassard is over paid…DUHHH !! IT the year 2014 , wake up!!! Everyone is overpaid!! Nash…make alotta pucks!!! For what Brass is to us , he is paid accordingly .Plus you can’t count any of his stats on COLUMBUST . Only Nash got paints on that team and that because he never passes.

    Brassard and Zucco and Pouliot were our best line , best PP line , best all out line. We need a big guy like Pouliot whom can carry the puck and follow the cycle that Zucco and Brass do.

  130. @Dragonfly_NYC but I don’t really use it…If you really wanna read my stupid updates, visit my Facebook.

  131. I think, and I could be wrong but unless your name is Cindy Crosby or MalKING etc., you are most likely overpaid.

    Even Lundqvist is overpaid.

  132. Gravy

    it’s possible i have seniority in
    the name game

    wondered when it was going to get confusing

    if it helps i’m the one with the
    Steal Your Face
    insane way of
    typing that rarely
    arrives to the other
    side of the

  133. Doodie-

    Bonino was the one guy I remembered to add to his new team bc he the anahiem ducks were the first team I looked at and I made note of it and when it came to vancouver, i included him.

    I most definitely did forget to add stastny, grabovaski (sp). And I didnt know johnson, steen played the majority of their time at center. I thought both played wing in the games I saw them play this game. I dont consider legwand a 2nd line player and Im embarrassed to say I having seen Zetterberg play on Datsyuks wing a lot, and the fact he wasnt listed as a center on, I assumed he didnt. If you say he does, Ill take your word for it that you know.

    Look I also said, you really can’t take recent 1st round picks into account bc A) they were most likely drafted to become a 1C, they are probably a few years away from helping a cup contender more then brassard will in the immediate, and C) we aren’t signing Brassard instead of one of these high draft picks, so its not like we’re choosing brassard over one of them.

    In terms of what qualifies as a 2nd line center. I feel your tackling it in a vacuum. The truth is teams have limited options, if brassard is a top 60 center in the league, then yes he is a 2nd line center. Thats kinda the way it works.

    I think its silly to say you can think of 100 centers you’d rather have as your 2nd line center then Brassard.

    I understand what your saying though. In a fantasy draft where you retain your roster for multiple years, yeah I guess I could see 100 centers being drafted before brassard. In the NHL landscape as it is, I think brassard would be a 2nd line center on over 20 NHL clubs.

  134. All this talk about bad Brass contract and nobody cared to asked Doodie what he thinks is a fair price for Brass?

    So Doodie…what’s your fair price for Brass?

  135. Doodie Machetto on

    I didn’t say I think there are 100 guys I would rather have as a 2C. I said there are 100+ centers I would trade Brassard for straight up, including guys who wouldn’t be a good 2C this year (Barkov, Drouin, etc.) Probably about 55-65 centers I think would be better this year if I really sat down to think about it.

    CCCP, If we went 5 years with him, I’d do 4.3, tops, but ideally 4.

  136. Cccp
    Doodie says 1 yr at 1.5 mil but only if brass scores 85 points.

    Doodie would then consider him one of the top 150 centres in the nhl.

  137. Doodie Machetto on

    It’s a good number, Wicky. I didn’t see you had suggested it, but I think that’s fair value, considering our need at the position.

  138. 700 grand could have been the money to replace

  139. Boyle is making 2 mill Dorsett is 1.4 and carcillo would cost more than 700 grand to keep… so, still… much ado about nada.

    maybe Hank, since he so wants to win, coulda taken less money.

  140. au contraire, Comrade – Dorsett is making 2 mil this year with a $1,633,000 cap hit. Not that it matters now.

  141. I’m thinking we’re in on Hayes because we traded away our 1s round picks and the kid is a former 1st rounder who has chosen not to sign his EL contract with Chicago (plus connection with THE Kreider). His brother plays for FLA so there is the question would he go and play there?

    To put it in some sort of context – THE Kreider scored 45 pts in 44 games in his last year at BC, Hayes got 67 in 39.

    Also on a side note – Tanner Glass blocked more shots than Brian “hands of stone, fists of blancmange” Boyle last year and averages 2 mins per game on the PK

  142. Good morning, boneheads!

    Sorry, didn’t join the Brssard discussion yesterday. Probably a good thing. I already said I felt it was a fair deal for both parties. And in terms of his contract affecting Stepan’s contract: if they decided to let Brassard walk next season, I think Stepan’s value would go up even higher.

    In terms of this team being cap-screwed for years. The Rangers will be right against the Cap every year, that’s what every high spending team does. And let’s not start flipping out about being cap-screwed until we know what the cap will be next season. Remember, this season, even though everyone is complaining, it still went up 7%, as it has been during any successful season. Next year the RDS TV deal will start kicking in.

  143. iDoodie Machetto on

    It’s also about salary structure. 700k extra for Brassard is 1.5-2 MM extra for Stepan.

    But 700k could have also kept Boyle here. Glass plus 700k=Boyle

  144. I guess they needed to decide whether they wanted to keep Brassard or let him go. It remains to be seen whether the Pouliot’s departure will make that line less effective. If not, it may mean keeping Brassard and MZA was their decision. Brassard would get $4.5M in arbitration, easily. He wouldn’t settle for that, or less, long term. They decided to keep him and bought 4 years of his prime UFA, he is still 26. Don’t see the problem with that. If they decided to let him go: Stepan’s value would go up, and, whoever is available to replace Brassard would cost more.

    I understand the salary structure. Don’t agree on Stepan. He will get $3M raise regardless. Glass isn’t replacing Boyle, D.Moore is. Glass is replacing Dorsett, who said he wanted to go to Western Canada. They got a 3rd rounder for him. I think Boyle would stay if he wanted to

  145. Cross Check Charlie on

    I’m not sure if the Brassard contract is good or not. We will know in a couple of years. He’s still young even though he’s been in the league a while. So, he should be a good player through the contract. Whether he has it in him to improve his game, I’m not sure.

    As for Boyle, he wasn’t going to sign with the Rangers no matter how much they offered him. He wants to be a top 9 forward. Supposedly, Tampa will give that to him. AV made it clear that he only views (rightfully so) Boyle as a fourth liner.

  146. Doodie Machetto on

    “As for Boyle, he wasn’t going to sign with the Rangers no matter how much they offered him. He wants to be a top 9 forward. Supposedly, Tampa will give that to him. AV made it clear that he only views (rightfully so) Boyle as a fourth liner.”

    This is not true, at all. Boyle himself has acknowledged he will be playing a 4th line role and killing penalties in Tampa.

  147. Can you imagine if you didn’t sign Brassard, then you basically have JMoops left for Gaborik.

    Now Gaborik is a Stanley Cup Champion, and signed for less money.

    Which contract would you rather have Brassards or Gaboriks?

  148. Doodie don’t you think Boyle was looking for Prust type numbers on his next deal? Sather put his number out there, Boyle shopped around to beat it, and it BOYLED down to a “tax” savings.

    My question, is how do you play for an original six team, and turn down 2 of them to play in Tampa? The wife is already making decisions :)

  149. Something for entertainment purposes, since it seems to be a long summer. It is also related to the Cap. The NHL’s new TV deal with Rogers Communications kicks in this season. It’s a 12 year deal worth $4.9B. It more than doubles what the league is getting now, each year the HRR will be getting just over $400M on average starting in 2014-2015 season. That’s why people think that the Cap in 2015-2016 may go up 10%. The thing is, since the HRR revenue is calculated based on previous season’s income, Rogers TV income was not included in calculations of 2014-15 Cap. But it could’ve been. The new CBA has a provision that allows any income projected to be over $20M next season to be included into that season’s cap calculation. Except it requires approval of both parties. According to LB, the players decided against it this year because of potentially high escrows. Doesn’t make any sense, though. The bigger the pot, the better it is for players. Anyway, they will have no such an option next year. It sounds like from Rogers deal alone cap will gain around $3M.

  150. Gaborik in AV up tempo system, is a much better fit than Tort’s grind them out, shot block, nothing gets to the goalie system.

  151. According to Gaborik, *Torts* “doesn’t go around the bushes.” So there’s that, too.

  152. iDoodie Machetto on

    Torts hurt Gaborik in that last year by playing him out of position and by not letting him play with Stepan as frequently as he should have.

    But other than that, he usually had let Gaborik do what he wanted offensively.

  153. I’m still a fan of Both.

    Not sure what happened the last year between Gaborik, Nash, & Richards. If Torts lost them all. He traded Gaborik, and benched Richards in the playoffs.

    That was the year the table was “set” to win it ALL.

    Gabby was huge in the post season last year with his *14 Playoff Goals*, vs Nash’s 3.

  154. The Cup is getting close to the land of the Sioux. It should be in town in 2 weeks. I’m taking 2 – 9 yr old hockey players to the Ralph for the day.

    Small hockey “fix” in the death of the off season.

  155. jpg, I agree you have seniority *and* an avatar already anyway.

    Thanks for the TV deal insight, ilb. And, you’re right, he would have received at least $4.5M in arbitration. So, at most, we’re talking about an extra $500k this year, and they’re likely saving by not bringing in a UFA next year.

    The Brassard deal gets better each year in that the real dollars paid out decrease may make him more attractive to cap floor teams.

  156. And I’m saying that with the realization that Brassard is likely going to top out as a 50-55 point player.

    People have short memories about Gaborik. I think they hold the 2011-12 playoff run against him since he “didn’t get into the dirty areas”. Even though he was was playing with a shoulder injury.

  157. UK – All entry level contracts have a MAX amount. You would think Hayes would go to a team that could PLAY him first. Right?

    I would think Florida if he has a brother there.

    How do you turn down an original 6 team, that is one of the best teams in the league right now? I’m still scratching my head on that one.

  158. Gravy I was just comparing Gaborik’s salary to Brassards.

    Thinking the Rangers didn’t have room for another “Big” salary, buy it’s less than Brassards cap hit. But you have to remember its for 7 years, can he play them all next to Kopitar?

  159. this:

    iDoodie Machetto
    I still don’t understand why he never tried Nash LW, Gaborik RW.

  160. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, there is a max amount, but that doesn’t mean Chicago is offering it to him. The max amount is 3.775 million, comprised of a 925k base and the rest based on performance bonuses. Now, he’s never going to make that full amount because there’s no way he hits all (or probably any) of the Group B bonus markers, but he could make an extra 850k in bonuses with fairly easy performance bonuses. So if the Blackhawks are trying to limit those bonuses, he might look elsewhere to play.

    As for Florida, they look like they’re going to arbitration with his brother, so I can’t imagine he’s desperate to end up there.

  161. Hayes seems like he already might be a problem. Not that interested in kid with attitude issues.

  162. It’s going to really piss us all off more when we monitor Boyle minutes in Tampa and he’s playing 12-13 minutes a night on first pk taking important d zone draws.

    Yzerman and cooper will utilize him same way. That’s who Boyle is. He’s more effective to a team that way.

    We offer him 2.7 for three years he’s here. I don’t buy his wife crap.

    If Callahan Boyle stralman taste a cup in Tampa before we do I will freaking jump.

  163. Wicky and coos might be pleased if we signed Hayes – given he is 6’3 and 200+ lbs !!

  164. Doodie Machetto on

    Gaborik can retire at any point in that deal and the Kings won’t be hit with a recapture penalty. He makes the bulk of the money in the first 5 years. Not that the last 6 million in the final two years is anything to sneeze at, but when he will have made over 60 million between that contract and his last contract, not even counting what he made before those, he might just decide to walk away.

    Gaborik also doesn’t have a NTC in his contract, so in year 6, they could just flip him to a cap floor team like the Panthers. 3 million in cash for almost 5 million in cap hit will be enticing to those teams.

    What’s also important to remember is that the Kings are a win now team. Who knows where they are in 5 or 6 years. This deal lets them keep the team together for at least another 2 years. That’s at least 2 serious Cup runs. If you can have 5 straight years of serious Cup runs, including at least 2 wins (which they already have) who gives a damn about the next five or even ten years? Figure those out when they come. That’s not to say that in 3 years they won’t still be serious contenders, just that they are guaranteed to be so for at least another 2. They may be able to keep that championship window open for another four years if the pieces all fall in the right places for them. If they have a 7 year competitive window with multiple Cups/conference Final appearances, I don’t think anyone in LA complains if they finish dead last for three years immediately following it. At least, I certainly wouldn’t if they happened here.

  165. Boyle will be drinking from the furry cup seeing how he is under the thumb already!

  166. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, Schultz did the same thing and we all wanted him. Ditto Erixon.

    It’s not the kid’s fault he wants to make money. And there isn’t exactly a window to playing time in Chicago when they have the following players on the wing: Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Saad, Bickel, and Smith.

    Not to mention they still have Teravainen in the pipeline, who projects as a center eventually, but will probably be broken in as a wing at the NHL level before moving to the middle.

    So even if he signs that ELC with Chicago, he’s only going to be making $70k to start for at least one year and possibly two, whereas if he goes elsewhere, he could start making NHL money right away, including big bonuses.

    I still think Florida, Pittsburgh, and Nashville are the leaders for his services.

  167. Gaborik has had a lot if success under Lamaire (sp?)too who was even more defensive minded than Torts…so what your point about Gaborik being good under Torts?

  168. Doodie Machetto on

    I think the thing to be worried about with Hayes is that sure, he’s a big boy, but I’m not sure his offensive talents translate to the NHL. He scored a ton of points the last couple of years playing with Gaudreau, but before that did significantly less.

    I hhave to be honest, though. I have seen him play an extremely limited amount, and when I did see him play, I was more focused on watching Gaudreau.

  169. I agree that Boyle wanted a chance to win more minutes and was pretty much told by AV that he is what he was last season. I think AV might have told him that reality early in the season and pissed off Boyle then, too.

    and I have decent reasons to believe that.

  170. CCCP – my statement was more towards How much *MORE* successful could he have been in NY under AV.

    Nothing more.

  171. Carp – so Tampa tells him he will get more minutes to start? Then he falls to the 4th line anyway :)

    Smooth move by Tampa. Tell them what they want to hear, play them where they are needed.

  172. Eric – I’m thinking Tampa could taste the cup before NY does. They are a very balanced young team. With Stamkos, and Bishop healthy. They will be tough to beat.

  173. Can THE talk Hayes into being his wing man?

    Sather has the $1.3M left in the cap.

    It could happen.

    We have a Center and a wing spot open?

  174. Maybe Bishop can have more than one good season and play in a playoff game before we hand him the Cup?

  175. Doodie Machetto on

    Why? Can’t we just give it to him now and save ourselves the trouble of the season?

  176. Carp

    So basically Boyle is a cry baby…

    Boyle: boohoo I’ll teach all a lesson I’ll sign with another team! There! (Shows tongue on his way out)

  177. At 6’3 200+ that scores 67 points playing 40+ games.

    YES you are interested!

    Even if it puts my boy on the shelf.

    Sign him if you can. Tell him that a spot is open for HIM!!!

  178. Sioux

    I was saying in general because for a second it sounded like Gaborik benefited from playing in Torts’ “system”

    Waiting for “Torts made Gaborik the player he is today” comments…

  179. Willie Mays Hayes. I hit like Mays, and I run like Hayes.

    Well, you may run like Hayes, but you hit like Carcillo.

  180. What league you been playing in?

    California Penal.

    Never heard of it. How’d you end up playing there?

    Stole a car.

  181. Callahan gw from Boyle and stralman shorthanded send the lightning to finals in game 7.

    Now that’s torture.

  182. I don’t think the green accents were very good for Torts’ skin tone. He needs more primary colors to enhance his natural tan.

  183. ILB
    Great posts!!

    Young players with attitude problems have worked out well for the rangers, just look how great miller is…oh wait, never mind, he sucks.

    Once again, glass does not replace Boyle. He will get PK time as Boyle did, but is not boyle’s replacement.

    He is better value than dorsett (who he is replacing) because he does kill penalties.

    Boyle was gone no matter what, and it wasn’t the cash. Move along people.

  184. Roussel had 150 some hits last year, 10 fights, and 25 points in his 1’st season.

    Nice rookie year if you ask me.

    Hmmmm …. sounds like a younger Glass type player :)

  185. I also like Roussel even though he got his face handed to him by Bordeleau this season.

  186. Jay Feaster said that he wishes he had a dollar for every time Torts said to him after a PR disaster: “Did I put you in a bad spot there?” :)

  187. Carp
    Yes, yes I do.

    I also heart bordeleau fwiw


    Hell of a season!!!

  188. So basing this on what manny posted from what ct posted, doodie is wrong and that is actually a very good deal for the rangers with brassard ;)

  189. Also, for some reason, Sharp’s 2013-14 season has been ommitted from those point totals, even though he’d be about 76 ahead of Brassard. Also, Sharp isn’t a center.

    Either way, Doodie won’t believe it because the list isn’t *perfect*. :)

  190. It looks like he only played in 28 games in the lockout shortened year, but if you add his point totals fore the three sesasons before last, it was 160.

  191. Doodie Machetto on

    Or because it discounts any recent players. Change it to points per game and he drops down to 62. I said I would have him between 55-65 in terms of value in last season. This seems to fit right in with that, although, I still don’t like this as a metric because someone like Kyle Turris, who is unquestionably a better player than Brassard, is still below him.

    I said I would have him 100+ in terms of centers I would trade him for straight up, which includes guys who will be worse than him this upcoming year, and even a couple of years from now.

  192. Doodie, even including the group you mentioned, 100+ is a vast exaggeration. That would essentially equate his value to Dominic Moore, or a highly rated #4 center.

  193. Doodie Machetto on

    No, it takes into account the value of a player’s future.

    In other words, today I would trade Brassard straight up for Drouin. I’d consider it the steal of the century.

    Who do I think has a better season next year? Brassard. Probably the year after, too. Who do I think is better every single year after that? Drouin. I’d rather have all of Drouin than the next couple of years of Brassard. Follow?

  194. Doodie Machetto on

    Like when we traded Gomez and got McDonagh. In years 1 and 2, Montreal had the better player. Gomez scored 59 and 38 points for the Canadiens in those first two years. Meanwhile, McDonagh played the second half of the second season for us, scoring his first goal in either the last or second to last game of the season. After that? Not even close. Steal of the century.

  195. I understand what you’re saying, and I still think you are exaggerating. Or vastly miscalculating his value. Or including guys like Zetterberg who may be retired in two years.

    And this is still coming from a guy that has argued tooth and nail that Brassard is a 50 point player.

  196. Doodie Machetto on

    So, what I’m saying is, there are about 60 centers I think who will be better than Brassard next year. Then, add to that at least 40 prospects at center that I would gladly give up Brassard for in order to have the full part of their career, and we are talking 100+. There are probably 20+ in the 2013 and 2014 drafts alone.

  197. Doodie Machetto on

    First of all, how can anyone argue Brassard is more than a 50 point player when he’s yet to score 50 points after six full NHL seasons.

    Second, yes, I am including guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg, because I think they are SO MUCH better than Brassard that I’d rather have them for two or three years than Brassard for the next five.

    But I will grant you that there are probably a few guys that I think who will be better than Brassard next year that I wouldn’t trade him for. I can’t think of any off of the top of my head, but I’m sure they are out there. It makes sense that they would be. But we’re talking maybe 5 or 6 guys, tops, compared to at least 40 prospects, including young players (Zibanejad, Bjugstad, etc.) that I would take over Brassard.

  198. You can pick your nose, and you can pick your friends. But, you can’t pick your friend’s nose.

  199. Doodie Machetto on

    Tyler Bozak. He will outscore Brassard next year, but I’d rather have Brassard. Ditto Brad Richards if he can hold that 2nd line center job in Chicago. He’s better than they are even though they will have more points.

  200. Doodie Machetto on

    A couple of years ago, Saku Koivu and Tomas Plekanec would have been good examples. Lecavalier, too.

    I’m having a hard time coming up with present day ones, though.

  201. Doodie Machetto on

    Maybe Henrik Sedin because of that contract over the next 4 years. Tough to say whether last year’s decline was because of him just slowing down or it was Torts. I think it was 75-25 Torts to Henrik slowing down. He was just under a point per game for the two years immediately preceding it, then dropping all the way down to 30 points under the pace in one year?

  202. Doodie Machetto on

    Jimmy Hayes just settled with the Panthers. That might open the door for Kevin to join him, now that hostilities have been avoided.

  203. rather have richards @ 5mil then brassard?

    we had brad richards before we traded brassard, brassard then came in and then passed him on the depth chart within two weeks and it never changed.

    what am i missing?

  204. Doodie Machetto on

    Brad Richards PP TOI: 301:39
    Derick Brassard PP TOI: 204:53.

    He’s already got more than 2/3 of it. That also ignores that Brad Richards was never on the PP ahead of Brassard since Richards played the point while Brassard plays center. His real competition in that regard was Derek Stepan, who played only 21 minutes more.

    It also isn’t a good sign for Brassard that he had the highest PP points to ES points ratio on the team other than MDZ and MSL. Give me guys who can score at ES any time over guys who can only score on the PP, unless they score prolifically on the PP, which he does not.

  205. Doodie Machetto on

    jpp, you’re missing the fact that I didn’t say I would rather have Richards. I said he would probably outscore Brassard (assuming he locks down the Hawks 2C spot), but I would sitll rather have Brassard over Richards.

    Think about it, if Richards is centering Kane and Saad and possibly seeing a little bit of time on their second PP unit, he’s going to score 50 points without trying. Which is good for him, because he it looks like he doesn’t try.

  206. alright doodie, Im glad you clearly said you take brass over brad.

    lets focus on the commonality we share :)….

    and maybe I should drop that wager to something more friendly like two tickets to a game. Oh wait, that probably costs more then $500

  207. Doodie Machetto on

    Congratulations on being willing to put up that wager. Call Bovada and work it out with them.

  208. I wouldn’t take that bet for the simple fact that I’d have to root against a Ranger to win it (which I would because he’s not going to get 60).

    That said, 60 points was all but guaranteed already by a few posters this past season.

  209. I would go so far as to say that not only did McD surprise everyone with his LOFTY ascendance, he probably surprised himself.

  210. Doodie Machetto on

    coos, no way does CCCP post a 60 point post. He’s a career 50 pointer.

  211. I’m having a pithy party over here!

    Wait, I guess that means I have to come up with a bunch of good stuff.

    I got nothing.

    My party sucks.

  212. Doodie Machetto on

    See? Typical enigmatic Russian didn’t even show up until after it was too late.

  213. Lol @ enigmatic Russian


    Cindy is willing to wait for me because I give the best service ;)

  214. Belichick breaks unwritten rule, claiming an injured Panther running back off waivers during training camp. Sign of things to come?

  215. “I’m having a pithy party over here!”

    Booby, you’re lucky. I don’t even have a plot to pith in.

  216. Ooh I like the way it sounds! Diesel Limo!

    Btw, between us, with all the anti aging crap she’s pushing she looks quite old…

    Ps, doesn’t mean I wouldn’t do her the second time if she woulda let me do her the first one ;)

  217. Cindy claims no plastic surgery, but I think I see a bit of Steven Tyler in her lately.

  218. Daniel Snyder went out for Indian food, but was surprised when it wasn’t served in a cornucopia.

  219. I was in the Navy with a Sioux electrician. When he got out, he went back to his tribe and wired a head for a Reservation.

  220. I avoided checking in for a few days. What’s the ratio of acceptance (“this is the cost of doing business when you avoid long-term deals for players in arbitration”) versus the standard “I HATE THAT THIS PLAYER GOT $__ WHEN THERE’S NO WAY HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE THAN $__” where the second number is like 94% of the first number anyway?

  221. Doodie Machetto on

    My number was between 80 and 86% of the number he got, which is a pretty substantial difference.

  222. Funny thing, I married the Indian, the dot, not the feather!

    After 18 years, she got tired of playing Cowboys & Indians :)

  223. Doodie Machetto on

    I wonder what he wrote his essay on this time, and if he hired one of those professional people to help him write it.

  224. It should be, “should OF gotten” or a simple “shoulda”.

    C’mon, pay attention.

  225. Doodie,

    This speaks volumes, Brassard is a true #2 Center when he’s rank 39th. Look at some of the players below him, some have HUGE contracts. Now consider he is only 26, going into the prime of his career.

    Sather views it as covering his mistakes in the draft. Since Sanguietti was a bust as a Ranger 1’st round pick in 2006. Sather signs the 6th overall pick to a 5 year contract. He feels he slotted a better player, through a trade, and “moved up” recovering from a bad pick.

    Brassard is right there with other top Centers on this list. It is a fair deal, and easy to move down the road. So it’s a win/win deal for both sides. AND very TRADABLE down the road.

  226. Mr. Penmanship is back, at Tire Fires North:


    Sources: Sabres have reached an agreement with Hall of Famer Bryan Trottier to serve as assistant coach under Ted Nolan.

  227. Doodie Machetto on

    gotten is the problematic part of it. The question is, what is the past form of “get.” Is it “got” or “gotten?” I think both are acceptable, even if they both sound wrong.

    In summary, “should have gotten” seems to be the correct past form of “should get.”

  228. I should of got.

    I should of stood there. (stayed there).

    I literally could of cared less for all intensive purposes.

  229. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, you’re late to the party on that. Check out my post at 1:40 for my response.

  230. _My number was between 80 and 86% of the number he got, which is a pretty substantial difference._

    Doesn’t this fall into the completely unrealistic range? Pending (very young) UFA at a shallow position.

  231. Doodie, I think for your 1:40 comment to have value, you need to list out all 100 centers you’d take straight up for Brassard and then we can go through each one individually in terms of agree/disagree and whether or not its realistic.

    (But seriously, “better option” comes into play here. Pretend Brassard was on this last UFA market and tell me what you think he’d get. Even if he’s center 101 on your list, he’s top 5 realistic options.)

  232. Pages 26 to 41 of Trottier’s 80 page handwritten treatise submitted to Sather was plagiarized from the Army War College archives.

  233. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, no, I don’t think it does if they play hardball. They caved.

    Furthermore, as I’ve repeatedly stated, don’t sign the guy to a contract he isn’t worth just because you don’t have a replacement.

  234. Doodie Machetto on

    Better option: let him walk/trade him rather than sign him to an inflated contract. I’d take that 10 times out of 10.

  235. Doodie Machetto on

    If he’s on this year’s market, I think he gets what he got from Sather, maybe less.

    Outside of Bolland (5X5.5) and Stastny (4X7), every center got less. And while I think he’s better than almost every other center that signed (Grabovski being the exception, and he only got 4X5 from a team that has to notoriously overpay), the market was very cool this year on centers, with most teams spending big bucks on defensemen and goal scorers.

    While I think he’s much better than Olli Jokinen, David Legwand, and a few other UFA centers that were signed (NEIGHHHHHHHHHHHHH), how many millions of dollars better is he? He certainly isn’t double them, and they signed for 2.5 (one year) and 3 million (3 years), respectively.

  236. _Furthermore, as I’ve repeatedly stated, don’t sign the guy to a contract he isn’t worth just because you don’t have a replacement._

    That’s a pretty bad absolute rule to have, especially given our contend-now roster. Lets say you replace him with David Legwand (to pick a guy who was out there). If Legwand is getting $3MM to be a $3MM guy in your eyes, you’re still losing by letting $4.3MM value Brassard walk over $700K excess.

  237. Doodie Machetto on

    Bull dog, exactly. Everyone said it was cool to let Callahan go because he wanted too much, but Brassard we can’t do the same with?

  238. The market was cool on centers because the centers on the market sucked. And replacement value isn’t linear; a $5MM value player isn’t simply double a $2.5MM value player.

  239. Doodie Machetto on

    What are your feelings on the Oxford comma? I’m a big proponent of its usage.

  240. Cally’s agent banked on his client’s ancillary value as a Captain and a leader, not realizing that Sather was advised by Richards that he was too young and unvocal.

  241. Doodie Machetto on

    That’s fair, but use Grabovski as a comparable. Grabovski is better, in my opinion, and he got the same cap hit from a team that has to overpay free agents to play there. In other words, I think he was probably offered less from other teams.

  242. Doodie Machetto on

    Irregardless is a fake word. The definition is regardless. It’s used incorrectly so often that people think it’s a real word. It’s totally fake.

  243. So, if we’re going to assume Grabovski *may* have received lower offers, we can’t assume Brassard *may* have received higher ones?

    It’s conjecture. At the end of the day, they’re making the same.

  244. Phil Mickelson learned the hard way that, as an athlete, you are better off not mentioning the definitive tax advantages of residency in certain States.

  245. Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.


  246. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, I agree monetary value is not linear. What I was saying is Brassard worth 2X the money as those guys. Legwand is probably overpaid as well, BTW. 2.5 would have been a better number for him.

    As for overpaying Brassard only 700k rather than letting him walk, it’s not just about this year. Next year, you have more problems with Stepan because you paid Brassard 700k in excess. 700k excess on Brassard is multiplied, because as we agree, monetary value is not linear. Stepan is worth at least 1.5 million more than Brassard, as both a better offensive and defensive player. In terms of roster construction, as one of the few right handed shots among the forward group, he is very important to the team’s offense.

    Now, all of a sudden, we are paying Derek Stepan more than Matt Duchene and Ryan O’Reilly.

  247. But, I agree it’s a poor use of words when you’re just adding two letters to the front of a word with the same meaning.

  248. Doodie Machetto on

    coos, Right. They’re making the same and Grabovski is a better player. I’m just saying we could have spent our money more wisely.

    Gravy, so the dictionary entry on irregardless is spent explaining how it’s not actually a word even though people use it like it is one.

    The word is regardless. Irregardless is a misuse of regardless.

    That’s like saying Bush’s “misunderestimate” is actually a word.

  249. Brassards contract will be 10x easier to trade than Cally’s.

    Brassard could crack the 50-60 pt mark this year, with Richards gone. He could easily have 25-25 or a 25-35 year. I realize he hasn’t cracked 50 yet, but he sure stepped up in the playoffs, and made some huge GWG this year when it counted most. Just think if they put Kristo with him and Zucc. There’s 30 more assist alone :)

  250. Selfie wasn’t a word ten years ago. Just because it sounds silly, doesn’t make it less of one.

  251. I saw a kid that was about 8 years old wearing a xxxxxxL (fat guy sized) TROTTIER Jersey at a -CT Whale- Hartford Wolfpack game. It made me pretty mad.

  252. grabovski couldn’t get a long term deal last year after Toronto bought him out.

    Every team in the league passed on him at his price. He had to go to the Isles to get it.

    Doesn’t seem the NHL grades him as high as you do, dood

  253. Cally had 36 pts last year and got a $6M contract.

    Stemp had 36 pts and is playing for 900k.

    Cally’s points are replaced, at a much better value.

    Brassard had 45pts, and get a $5M. Brassard’s deal has better value, and a lot more upside than Cally’s.

  254. any word that people use to communicate is by definition a word.

    Is it not?

    can we use logic?

  255. Doodie Machetto on

    Look, I get people expecting him to break 50 points. I expect him to do the same. I even expect him to get 20 goals. 20-32-52 seems about right to me.

    but how the hell do people think that all of a sudden he is going to score 25 goals when he’s never scored 20, and get 60 points when he’s never had 50?

    Richards only had an extra 1:45 of ES ice time per game. A total of 156 minutes over the course of the season. Brassard scored 28 points at even strength last year. If he had Richards’ ice time, that number goes up to 32 points at even strength. His PP time isn’t going to increase because Stepan is still in front of him on the PP. So we are talking about 4 extra points, given the increased ice time, assuming a consistent level of production, which isn’t unreasonable given that he’s played 6 years in the league with similar production rates.

    But let’s say he increases his production rate a little bit. Another 2 goals and 4 assists, just because. That’s still only a total of 55 points and nowhere near 25 goals.

    Someone explain it to me in rational terms.

  256. “There’s 30 more assist alone.”

    And there’s another one. NO one anymore, anywhere says ‘There are’ more assists alone,’ as in ‘there are millions or reasons” for ‘there’s millions of reasons…’

  257. 1. Stepan won’t be a comp to Brassard even after the bridge is over because he’ll still be a year of service time behind where Brassard is now. You can go long term on him eating two years of arb, not one.

    2. Grabovski is a comp for no one because NHL front offices have shown they can’t evaluate Grabovski properly. I don’t disagree at all that he’s the better player, I just can’t see using him as a comp due to all the other factors. Although if you do still want to comp them, you have to note that Brassard will end his deal a year older than Grabovski is starting his.

    3. Who gives an F about an oxford comma.

    4. Two music references, neither metal. Neither random.

  258. Doodie Machetto on

    New words, such as “texting” or “selfie” will enter the lexicon. Misuse of existing words does not make the incorrect words correct.

    By that rational, misuse of phrases should make the incorrect phrases correct, so “could care less” would be correct, as would “intensive purposes.”

  259. Doodie, on your forecasting, you’re not factoring in linemates and the chance Brassard centering helped drive two career years. Not saying that is the case, but could be the case. We’ll see next year when he (presumably) has a more skilled wing in Pouliot’s slot.

  260. rational terms:

    brassard is better next year then he was at the start of last year and gets more ice team with a better PP and an offense which generates more in the teams 2nd season in a new system.

  261. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, could be that two other guys drove Brassard.

    Watching that line, it’s hard to argue anything other than MZA was the driving force behind it.

  262. Doodie Machetto on

    1) Why is Brassard markedly better than he has been at any point in his now 6 full NHL season career? He basically is what he is at this point, with perhaps marginal improvement or regression.

    2) Why is the PP better?

    3) Why does the system automatically generate more? Isn’t it possible that last year was a good year and this year is a regression?

  263. Doodie Machetto on

    Jpp, not just Webster’s. Most dictionaries either don’t contain irregardless or in the definition for irregardless point out that regardless is the correct word.

    We used the word “sangwich” around here sometimes. I wouldn’t try and argue that’s an actual English word.

  264. or are you paid to carry on like that. or do you get a kick.

    i mean wtf are you doing right now?

  265. _Watching that line, it’s hard to argue anything other than MZA was the driving force behind it._

    I’ve proven my lack of bias here, but my opinion on the line is that it was Brassard and MZA clicking and Pouliot being a nice tertiary fit. Downgrade Brassard to a more commoner 3C and I think MZA’s season looks very, very different.

  266. Doodie Machetto on

    Why do you want to know? Are you sizing me up for a fight? I should warn you, I am really allergic to pain. I have reactions of bruising and watery eyes.

  267. Doodie Machetto on

    coos, exactly. New words are going to be created for new inventions and phenomena. Misusing existing words is not the basis for creating new ones.

  268. well in my dictionary then sangwich is a word. if you guys communicate using that word and you guys understand what each other is saying its a word.

    and if your gonna come to me with is ‘ooo’ a word, but people understand it

    try saying the word ‘the’ and tell me its anything more then just a sound vibration you can made.

    this place is beyond retarded sometimes. Mad magazine culture

  269. In theory, the PP should be better with Boyle at the point and MSL for a full season (although usually on a different line than Brassard).

  270. i dont call mentally disabled people retarded. I call perfectly able people who act retarded, retarded

  271. Just imagine how many more points that line would have had, if Pouliot wasn’t in the box ALL THE TIME!!!

  272. Just on bulletpoint 1, I think you forecast improvement because that’s probably the objective expectation. Assuming there isn’t much debate on his skill, you add that to his still relatively young age, his increase in ice time with Richards gone and his expected upgrade on the other wing and it makes a lot more sense to forecast up than down, atleast points wise. Not “I see 70 points”, but a tangible overall increase.

    (Also, 50 points seems to be getting diminished a bit here. 50 points still gets you into the top 85 forwards in the league last year which, even distribution, is less than 3 per team. Expected 50 with more range up than down is legit.)

  273. Doodie Machetto on

    I don’t call black people the N word. I call people that act like the N word the N word.

    I don’t call homosexuals the F word. I call people that like the F word the F word.

  274. Sign in the locker room at my golf course says: NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ARTICLES LEFT BEHIND. So, I always make sure I pack my ‘the’ and my ‘an’ in my bag before I leave.

  275. I’m going to throw this out there, and it may be a little crazy…I’d have signed Brassard for $7M AAV.

    Discuss amongst yourselves.


  276. this brassard angle dood has run with is insane. Its slowly unravelled into mindless dribble

  277. The Earl of Sandwich was the first to put meat between two slices of bread, wherefrom came the first ‘sandwich.’

  278. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, that’s the real question.

    Based on last year’s top 9:

    THE Kreider-Stepan-Nash

    One of those guys is going to be without a dance partner. My guess is Hagelin.

  279. If the Earl of Crappola had been the first to put meat between two slices of bread, we would today call the sandwich the crappola.

  280. I’d like to see:

    Kreider – Stepan – MSL
    Nash – Brassard – MZA
    Hagelin – Miller – Stempniak
    Glass – Moore – Fast

    But, that leaves a lot to be desired in the bottom six, and MSL played well with Hagelin last year.

  281. Assuming none of the kids earn a spot in the line-up.

    stempniak-moore-st. louis

    maybe lombardi and moore swap.

    Don’t know how it plays out if kids make it

  282. Doodie Machetto on

    I’d say move THE Kreider down to Pouliot’s spot, Move Nash to THE Kreider’s spot, and put MSL in Nash’s spot


    Then have Hagelin add speed and defensive responsibility to a line that will be sorely lacking both, depending on who is on it (Stempniak, Miller, Lindberg, etc.)

  283. Doodie Machetto on

    You don’t trade two first round picks and Ryan Callahan for Marty St. Louis just to stick him on your third line with Dom Moore as his center.

  284. if you know he’ll produce wherever he is put, yes you do. its spreads out the offense

  285. I’m with Doodie’s lineup. Splitting Kreider and Nash feels like a near necessity.

  286. Doodie – I also projected Brassard at 55 pts with Richard’s ice time and last years scoring rate.

    But I needed about 20 minutes and had to make a spreadsheet. Its pretty though.

  287. and depending on the game, whatever line is going plays more.

    im not pigeonholing the line-up’s balance just to get st. louis on the top line to valid a trade. thats not how you coach a team

  288. I’m pretty sure that they tried Nash – Stepan – MSL, and the line wasn’t effective (though it may have just been on the PP).

  289. However, since Kreider brings a lot of the elements that Pouliot did (and theoretically should be better), I do like the makeup of that line.

  290. you want to split up kreider and nash, fine.

    but your moving nash off stepan’s line. You better believe kreider and stepan are going to be playing together for a number of years to come.

    I have no problem moving nash off that line, but I actually think it’s the spot which will give him the greatest chance of success.

    you need kreider on nash’s line to take the defensive and physical attention off of nash, if you want nash to play confident and in tight. kreider’s speed and strength give anyone on the ice some space when he has the puck or is going to retrieve it. it allows nash more space to operate

  291. hags can play the game pouliot does, not as big and physical, but perhaps an even better forechecker and puck possession guy.

    puo-brass-zucc was all speed and creativity.

    hags can jump right in that.

    my opinion

  292. playing MSL in a 2nd-3rd line role allows the team to keep a 38 y.o. fresh for what will hopefully be another 9 month season and another couple seasons after that. MSL is no pup.

  293. Doodie Machetto on

    It’s not about validating the trade, it’s about recognizing that he’s the best forward on the team and getting him the most ice time possible. Then recognizing that you need to get the guy who should be the second best forward on the team, and who is the highest paid forward on the team, scoring like he actually is the second best forward on the team. Putting St. Louis with Nash accomplishes both of those goals.

  294. Kreider – Stepan – Nash
    Hagelin – Lombardi – MSL
    Zucc – Brassard – Kristo/Fast
    Glass – Moore – Stempniak

    This gives the team more Balance. The top 9 all have speed and scoring.

    Lombardi is fast, and has great center numbers for winning the draw. It’s a stretch to put him there, but MSL has a way of making everyone around him better, Hags speed has to be respected. You need someone that can skate with them, and get them the puck.

    I realize my guy will never get a shot, but if you put his hands on this line, it could be really good.

    The 4th line could really be a surprise, they’ve all played together, and could have instant chemistry. All are solid two way players. That could give 10-12 minutes, with scoring.

  295. Who had the cojones to buzz and attack the net last season ‘irregardless’ of success? PullOut, Dorsett, Carcillo, Kreider. Only one left unless a newcomer steps up.

  296. Doodie Machetto on

    This team isn’t good enough to win while limiting the ice time of its best forward. The rest of the division, for the most part, has improved, while the Rangers, if anything, have regressed, particularly in the bottom 6.

  297. Doodie Machetto on

    “I realize my guy will never get a shot, ”

    FINALLY. Now shut up about him already, will ya?

  298. i can see it sioux.

    dood. me personally. I dont want nash and mdl on the same line at all. at least not with stepan. and I’d be hesitant to split brass and zuc myself

    duos like AV said

    maybe it will be hags/MSL

    but I dont want to break up step/kreider to get MSL on a line with step/nash

  299. how about the idea of the team getting better, bc the players are always getting better.

    this whole idea they will regress bc of who they lost.

    its such a cold-numberslike way of looking at things. these players aren’t tvs or cars with a set value that cant improve or get better then they were produced at onset.

    isn’t that obvious. the core is young, they have been getting better season by season. thats why the rangers have gotten better and better

  300. alright I’m done. kreider and stepan havent played well together, havent hooked with some plays. i question it man

    im so done

  301. mr. Laissez-faire himself checking in…

    i know people comment that its hard to tune in here sometimes bc of the gibberish carp.


  302. Doodie Machetto on

    I didn’t say they didn’t play well together, but I haven’t seen any particular chemistry between them that was so wonderful they couldn’t be split up.

  303. fwiw, I’m with you, jpp … on 36-16, 21-20, 61-26 staying together, and figure out the rest.

    also with you on the team improving if the individuals continue to improve, and many of them should and will. They have improved in recent years because of the young core improving each year.

    but based on the players that they were last year, this team is worse right now than it was on the morning of June 14.

  304. Thanks jpp.

    It could happen, all lines will be shuffled until they start producing to a point they can’t be broken up. Brassard & Zucc, was the 3rd line that out performed the others from December on. We all agree they were our most consistent line.

    I like the Hags & MSL line last year, who gets the center spot between Miller, Lombardi, or Lindberg? Who ever earns it!!!

  305. Richards lucks out and lands in Chicago, if anyone taste the cup – before the Rangers, it will be him next year.

    That cat always lands on his feet.

  306. My research (available upon request) shows that if you include the NFL and NBA, 88% of the top 200 centers extant weigh over 230 lbs aggregate. Not only that, but… of the aforementioned centers, a full 22%…

  307. Stranger Nation on

    Hags can play with anyone – most under rated player on team

    Offense gets better and D gets worse

  308. Yes but is it better than the team of Oct 4?

    I always prefer intense porpoises. Really focused

    You want a pet word peeve. Empathetic. No such word, no need for such a word. It’s used synonymously with sympathetic by people trying to appear hep there’s already a word that means sympathetic. The word wanted is empathic and it does not mean sympathetic. I have a Random House UnChristied Dictionary from 1974 and there ain’t no word empathetic, it’s not needed and not wanted. Send it back to where it came from. Ain’t (parenthetically) is in the dictionary described as a vulgarism so take that Sister Elizabeth Mary.

  309. Gentlemen: I’ve noticed a lot of utter disrespect on here lately.

    Remember that it’s THE KREIDER.

    Thank you.

  310. ZzZz NYR ZzZz© East Champs on

    I really don’t think THE MR.SIR KRIEDER the SPIDER has chemistry with Nash or Steps. THE KREIDER has more chemistry with Stepan mom then Steps.

    Maybe THE replaces Pouliot like someone posted earlier.

    Leave Nash with someone whom likes to play decoy . Nash needs to be on a line that has no chemistry? Steps Nash THE have no chemistry compared to last years Zucco line. That’s what chemistry was.

    MSL should NEVER play with Nash . Nor should the THE.

    Nash and dominic Moore and….

    Top 6

    #1 MSL

    #2 Hags

    #3 Zucco

    #4 Brass

    #5 THE

    #6 Steps

  311. Rangers West on

    THE on the Brass/Zucco could be brilliant.

    AV hates THE when he’s not jumping out of pools.

  312. so
    does anyone think Sather
    will now trade for Eric Staal
    since he had surgery
    and our gm can now view
    as another reclamation project?

  313. Good evening all! Major apologies to Carp and all for lurking but not posting…a heck of a busy summer so far. Not wanting summer over but psyched for season to start.


  314. ilb
    hope you see this
    wednesday morning…
    explain to a money simpleton
    why nhlpa would NOT want to
    increase the cap by $2 million for this
    and what is escrow and what would the players gain by not going with $2 mil increase?


  315. Staawhl? Why does this name sound so familiar? Does he have any relatives playing in the NHL? Maybe a brother? Or two…or three…

  316. Laurel, how are you? Are you going to see Springsteen next week in Central park free concert? :)

  317. Carp and all!!!!! Miss you so….sorry for not being around

    You’re funny C3…marriage has made you soft :)

  318. and now have to go for an early alarm….just wanted to wish you all mama love….LGR!

    FYI, the Wegians are coming to town for start of season!!!!

  319. and so is Sally!!!

    Wow, an off season hattie….Hartnell! And good bye Carcillo….he is so done…:)

  320. Sympathetic means you feel bad for someone in a bad situation, while empathetic means that you’ve been in the same situation and have experienced the same feelings. So, I think it’s reasonable to have two words.

    But, could care less for all intensive purposes.

  321. Doodie Machetto on

    Eric, no way do the Devils or Caps finish ahead of the Rangers. I think the Islanders have a better chance than those two teams.

    I mean, they still don’t have anyone on defense, but they’re going to score a lot of goals. They’re going to be an 80s throwback.

  322. Today is a monumental day because Doodie said *I Think* which is almost an “In my opinion” type sentiment.

    Nice job, Doodie

  323. There goes, JPG, without too many details:

    Each year players are allowed to spend no more than 50% of estimated HRR for the upcoming year. For the year 2014-15, the number is $1.8B

    If by the beginning of 2014-15 season the aggregate players salaries ( mind you, it’s not Cap Salaries, it’s actual Payroll Salaries. The Rangers, for instance, will be spending over $80M next season as of today )exceed that number by certain percentage, their paychecks will be cut by same percentage. That money goes into escrow ( JP Morgan is this year’s holder). That amount is adjusted every quarter, could go up or down. Over the years, it varied from 3% to as high as 17%. The players will not see that money until the end of the season, and only if the league makes at least what they expected.

    NHLPA decided against including the projected Rogers TV income for the next year because that would mean increased escrow. For the record, according to L.Brooks, that was done against Don Fehr’s advice.

    What it means is this: it doesn’t impact any existing contracts, it impacts new contracts signed by high level players very little, they will still get paid. But it puts a significant pressure money-wise on those players who are seeking mid- to low-level contracts. This isn’t a good sign for the NHLPA.

  324. If anyone is interested in how the actual HRR, midpoint, salary cap, floor, escrow etc. is calculated, you can read the CBA’s article 50. A lot of facinating stuff, including how the count luxury boxes in shared arenas, etc. Just kidding, it’s boring…

  325. I don’t remember for sure, but I think I did a guest blog on that stuff a few years back. If I recall correctly, I couldn’t read it myself afterwards, it was soooo boring.

  326. By the way, had a great Indian dinner at Awadh on the Upper West Side. The food was excellent, and it was really well-priced for NYC. Highly recommend it.

  327. Rob in Beantown on

    Have any of you guys had a beer called Ballast Point *Sculpin*? I bought a six pack last weekend and I think it might be my new favorite single IPA. Great floral aroma, extremely well balanced, and almost sessionable at 7%. Really awesome.

  328. Rob in Beantown on

    So the Kings won the Cup, but at least we got a delivery guy to write something on Brown’s package. That’s something

  329. Sculpin (and most Ballast Point) is dope. But I’d be careful sessioning that one. Atleast in my brain, some 7%ers hit harder than others. That hits.

  330. Rob in Beantown on

    Perhaps. I been drinking a lot of Firestone Walker Union Jack IPA lately as well, which even though it’s classified as a single IPA drinks way more like a double IPA, in my opinion. It’s only 7.5% but it seems to hit me way harder than the Scuplin. YMMV.

  331. Sculpin is amazing, Rob. It’s easily in my top 10.

    Agree with you there, MD. This one has some juice.

  332. Rob in Beantown on

    I swear I’m not drinking Sculpin right now, even though I’m typing like I am.

  333. Those “poor” mid to low level guys…how could ANYONE survive on anything less than 800+ grand a year?! I mean, have you seen the bread and milk prices?!

  334. A *LIST*

    1. Kane Dry Hopped Overhead (Double IPA)
    2. Stone Enjoy By (Double IPA)
    3. Carton Epitome (Black IPA)
    4. Founders Kentucky Breakfast Stout (Double Imperial Stout)
    5. Ballast Point Sculpin (IPA)
    6. Great Divide Espresso Oak Aged Yeti (Imperial Stout)
    7. Three Floyd’s Permanet Funeral (Double IPA)
    8. Firestone Walker Wookey Jack (Black Ale)
    9. Maine Lunch (IPA)
    10. Flying Dog Gonzo (Imperial Porter)

  335. Rob in Beantown on

    A highly underrated IPA that I’m really enjoying is Pretty Things *Meadowlark IPA*, which hits you over the head with a hop overload suggestive of a western IPA, but it’s a local beer from Somerville, MA. Maybe it’s just really fresh where I’m getting it from. Also just 7.0%.

  336. Rob in Beantown on

    I still haven’t had Maine Lunch. It’s surprisingly hard to find in Boston even though I’ve been keeping a lookout.

  337. If you guys are worried about ABV you should drink this stuff called *Single Malt Scotch* It’s usually at least 80 Proof and the good ones are usually 84-100 proof. It’s also way delicious and *very manly*

  338. Rob in Beantown on

    I’m embarrassed to admit I’m still trying to acquire a taste for scotch, because it mostly just tastes like burning to me. But I’m also not very manly…

  339. I have had a number of *Maine* beers but I have yet to find a bottle of *Lunch* which makes me assume the scarcity is part of the appeal and the actual beer itself isn’t that stellar.

  340. Is that a Simpsons reference? “It Tastes like Burning” is a great Millhouse line!

  341. Rob in Beantown on

    It was. I try to pepper them in as often as possible. Only seasons 1-9 though.

  342. I tried Basil Hayden bourbon (on a recommendation from my brother-in-law) with dinner and found it to be very drinkable for a *girly* man like me that also shies away from scotch, bourbon, whiskey, etc.

    I guess a real bourbon drinker may not like that it’s a bit on the lighter side.

  343. All these lists are making me think that I’m living life to the fullest, as I have not tried any of those beers.

    I think I need to make a list of things on lists that I need to do.

  344. 1) Listen to more music (except electronic)

    2) Drink more beer

    3) Put asteriks in the right place when *bolding*

  345. I’ve had Maine Lunch only once. I believe it was MD who spoke highly of it a few months ago. I was lucky enough to find it on tap shortly after and have -1- 4.

  346. Rob in Beantown on

    Maybe I should drink less beer and more scotch, since working a desk job by day and drinking IPAs by night seems to be a recipe for packing on the brodeurs

  347. Rob, the average 12oz beer has 120 calories, while the average 1.5oz of scotch/bourbon has 100. So, feel free to drink them all!

  348. Manny, I think that every post should end with:

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    But, you should have your lawyers review that.

  349. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    I love this idea, Gravy!

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  350. Oops, I meant:

    Booby, I may try on a few avatars until I find one that fits.

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  351. You know what sucks?


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  352. Vacuums.

    I’m living on the edge man! I want to see what happens now that I copied something.

  353. That was copied for personal use. Read the ^fine^ print.

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  354. Rob in Beantown on

    Rangers Report @rangersreport
    Canadiens have hired Rangers assistant coach Dan Lacroix. Now he can watch their practices without being booted.


  355. _I have had a number of Maine beers but I have yet to find a bottle of Lunch which makes me assume the scarcity is part of the appeal and the actual beer itself isn’t that stellar._

    Its not intentional scarcity so much as still being a relatively small, quality over quantity operation that does really well at home (Portland). I have no doubt they would continue selling out if they could do multiples of production without risking quality.

  356. Anyone else have any of the Other Half (Gowanus) IPAs? I think I’ve had 3 and all have been very, very strong.

  357. Rob in Beantown on

    My local Trader Joes sells some Maine beers but frustratingly not Lunch. I’ve only had Maine Peeper Ale, which was just _okay_.

  358. Doodie Machetto on

    “Rob, the average 12oz beer has 120 calories”

    Only true of light beers. Full beers average over 140.

    There’s also the effect of alcohol on your metabolism, which is even more damaging to Brodeur addition prevention than the actual calories of the beverage, so scotch or beer, you’re still going to add Brodeurs.

  359. Doodie Machetto on

    In my battle against the Broduer, I have fortunately been able to avoid beer. Wine is a different story, but even then, very sparingly.

  360. I’ve tried their Hop Showers, MD. 7.2 maybe 7.4 ABV. It packed a lot of citrus punch. I really enjoyed it.

  361. And what is the fascination with ipa’s? Everyone just wanting to get all hopped up?

  362. Hop Showers has been my favorite so far. Hoping to find All Green Everything or Green Diamonds soon.

    Peeper is a really, really strong pale ale … but its still a pale ale. Mo is great and a lot easier to find than Lunch.

  363. My top 10 *LIST*

    (In no particular order)

    1. List
    2. List
    3. List
    4. List (probably my favorite of all *lists*)
    5. List
    6. List
    7. List
    8. List
    9. List
    And last but not least..
    10. List


  364. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Doodie even found a way to argue about *beer*

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  365. _Full beers average over 140._

    Actually, it’s closer to 138.323, but I’ll let it slide.

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  366. It should be noted that Eddie Vedder sounds really depressed there because he doesn’t have any lists.

  367. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Pearl Jam is, *in my opinion*, a terrific band!

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  368. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Fats Waller

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  370. Some hockey related news for the day. Rangers draft picks Halverson & Iverson get a look at World Junior Evaluation Camp next week at Lake Placid, NY.

    They will play with 2 Sioux players Schmaltz & Poganski!

    Nice to see Iverson getting a look to make the U20 team.

  371. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Did you double check those calorie statistics with Doodie, *Doc* ?

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  372. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    1oz of Whisky = 64 Calories.

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  373. “The Five People You Meet in Hartford,” by Mitch Albom

    Stu Bickel
    Dylan McIlrath
    Danny Kristo
    Conor Allen
    Kyle Beach

  374. Don’t you mean, *copywrote*, coos? ;)

    Also, I can’t remember how to *italicize*, so I’m using *hobbit* font.

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  375. LOL, Habs fans still ticked off … reacting to me on twitter:


    Canadiens have hired Rangers assistant coach Dan Lacroix. Now he can watch their practices without being booted.


    @rangersreport Why do you say that as if you think the fact that he got booted is ridiculous? He had no business being there.


    @rangersreport he will be able to learn to the habs players how to dive skates first in the goalies !!

  376. Nash: ‘I think this is my last season’

    Oh wait, that’s the basketball Nash…

  377. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    That’s really great, Carp. I guess those Habs fans don’t understand that almost all coaches attend other teams’ practices since they are all open practices.

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  378. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Isn’t it impossible, by definition, to “dive” skates first?

    verb: dive; 3rd person present: dives; past tense: dived; past participle: dived; past tense: dove; past participle: dove; gerund or present participle: diving

    1. plunge *head first* into water.

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  379. I dislike Montreal. Almost everyone pretends they don’t speak or understand English.

  380. What Greg Louganis does is gerundive, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  381. If The K steamrolled Brodeur, would he be ‘diving head first into hauteur?’

  382. “Nick Kypreos’ career would have been longer had Ryan VandenBussche not kicked him in the face with his fist.” – A Montreal-er(?)

  383. _“The Five People You Meet in Hartford,” by Mitch Albom_

    Another great one…Tuesdays with Haley.

  384. I never realized what jackwagons the French canadien habs fans were until last years rangers/canadien playoff series. They are a bunch of crybaby, hypocritical whiners. I mean, just listen to there fans at the habs arena when a opposing player breaths on a habs player, they all scream bloody murder calling for a penalty every second of the game. I lost all respect for habs fans.

  385. Doodie Machetto on

    What is it called when a stick comes nowhere near your face, but you snap your head back, then rub your face as you head to the bench?

  386. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    What’s with all the *creepy* emoticons being used on here lately?

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  387. Plekanecing.

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  388. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Double *Boom* guys. Nice work.

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  389. Hemorrhoidian slip?

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  390. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    So *Coos* doesn’t like the Disclaimer? I actually *care* about Coos so maybe I should stop.

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  391. Any stick over the shoulder in proximity to an opposing player for any reason whatsoever should be penalized and it would immediately stop. This won’t be addressed until an eye falls to the ice.

  392. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    If you want to be a good *weaver* you must purchase a good *loom*

  393. Manny-O-War, In my opinion
    Signers attempt to sing on tune

    Are *signers* anything like singers?

  394. this place is for the loons.
    its time to find a broom
    or push mop to clean the slop
    so when played where shown,
    the light can come through

  395. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    Time for a new post

    AV wears a french maid’s uniform when he leads the troops between periods
    discuss amongst yourselves

  396. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    Carp: Don’t cave into these people. New Posts are not always necessary. Some of us love inhabiting old posts.

  397. I do so much hate to be corrected by nouveau riche Midwesterners who, via their newly acquired wealth, pound on Titleist Pro V1 Ones at the Club, bounding them off Fracking towers into prairie dog holes.

    I’m trying to put Top-Flite X-outs on the table here!

  398. Working on a Guest Post, Carp, but the excellent blog distracts me from my duty. That and gutters, cleaning out a two car garage so I can get at least one car in, and worrying about blossom rot on my love apples. (for the uninitiated lewd, love apples is an eighteenth century appellation for tomatoes.)

  399. Come on, guys (and gals) help get us through the sticky summer and write a Guest Blog. We won’t laugh. Unless you’re funny, that is.

  400. Just came in from cleaning gutters and I’m afraid I’m a bit giddy. Have a heart.

  401. For some odd reason, tomatoes were considered poisonous and were not consumed until relatively recently.

  402. Tune in tomorrow for even more scintillating, esoteric tidbits from Mister GreenJeans.

  403. Seeee, I just got Vijay Singh’s new instruction book, “You Can Take 15 Strokes Off Your Game in One Delightful, Relaxing Afternoon – Cheat!”

  404. On second thought, maybe the Oracle of Delphi was trying to tell me that CCCP was going to BUY a Whopper at 6:10.

  405. Geez, Sioux, I watched 7 minutes, and they were really good, but an hour and a half?

  406. ThisYearsModel on

    Excellent new golf book is out………..Me and My Foot Wedge by VJ Singh.

  407. thanks ilb

    head still spinning from that explanation
    maybe it’s
    just my tall glass of kahlua i’m drinking
    (finally had dinner and this is my dessert)

  408. iDoodie Machetto on

    The one plus of working this late is taking a car home and then charging it to the client whose work forced me to stay so late.

  409. Jimmy Whispers on

    Carp must have slammed and dead bolted the door on this post

    “Now youse CAN’T leave”

  410. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    I’m going to use this post as extra fertilizer for my vegetable garden

  411. Before science enabled us to find out if things were poisonous before consuming them, it must have stunk to be “that guy”.

  412. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    My garden is very special. We grow fig newtons and mallomars. That’s why all of the forest critters come to my place when they are high.

  413. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    the funniest is when we hold down the neighbor’s cat and tell him “listen up, D-bag, the sign doesn’t say it’s all you wanna eat, it says it’s all you CAN eat”…quick, shove down three more mallomars!!!

  414. Its that old chestnut of player aims high, team aims low and the arbitrator meets somewhere in the middle. Halfway in this case is $6.85m, but it will depend how aggressively Les Habs choose to defend their offer (i’d just show a video of the ECF and THE Kreider taking the guy to school).
    Shea Weber holds the record at $7.5m but he was coming off a $4.5m per contract and Subban was on $2.875m per. Subban has a Norris though so that is a good defence for him (probably better than his actual hockey defensive skills)

  415. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    We happened to match up with and defend against Subban very well in our MTL series, but there is no doubt he is a dominant force that plays with anger and two middle fingers in the air

  416. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    But to elaborate: With the cap going up, the top tier Defenseman are going to start commanding $8M+. Especially those Defenseman that can score. PK loves his money, has little loyalty (it seems) and really just wants to be a big shot. If that’s his attitude I expect him to hold out for all the money and get paid the big bucks that will seem very normal in 3-4 years.

  417. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    No No No No
    you had to be a BIG shot
    did ya
    ya had to open up your mouth

  418. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Subban is totally worth that amount of money in a couple of years.

    The other part you have to remember, especially in lesser markets, is that the guy puts butts in seats, sells a ton of jerseys, and is just all around such an electric player and person. It’s like Toews and Kane getting 10.5 million each. It’s not just for the play on the ice.

  419. Mr. Crowley Mr. Charming Mr. Alarming on

    he should come south to the Hempstead/Brooklyn Downeaster Alexas

  420. I agree with the Dood on this one.

    30 teams will give PK 8.5 million if he became a free agent. well maybe not the kings.

  421. Manny-O-War, In my opinion on

    I don’t get the “butts in the seats” theory. Especially not in Montreal. They could field a team of midgets (like the Rangers did) and that place would be packed full. Just check out the prices for the World Junior 2015 events in Montreal…

  422. Right now, Doodie is formulating a four paragraph response, and it will not include *in my opinion*.

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