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From the NYR:

RANGERS MAKE SEVEN SELECTIONS IN 2014 NHL DRAFT

Blueshirts draft two forwards, three defensemen, and two goalies

PHILADELPHIA, June 28, 2014 – New York Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather, along with Director of Player Personnel, Gordie Clark, oversaw the club’s activity in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft on Friday, June 27 and Saturday, June 28 at Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The team, which held seven picks in the draft, selected two forwards, three defensemen, and two goalies.

The Rangers made all seven of their selections on Saturday, starting with goaltender Brandon Halverson in the second round (59th overall). Halverson appeared in 19 games with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds of the Ontario Hockey League (OHL) this past season, posting a 12-6-1 record, along with a 2.96 GAA, a .904 SV%, and two shutouts as a rookie. The Traverse City, Michigan native recorded a shutout in his OHL debut on October 5 at Belleville, stopping all 32 shots he faced. Halverson also posted a personal four-game winning streak from March 1 vs. Kitchener to March 16 vs. London, registering a 1.75 GAA, a .947 SV%, and one shutout over the span.rangers report logo

With the third round pick the Blueshirts acquired yesterday from Vancouver (85th overall), the team selected right wing Keegan Iverson. The St. Louis Park, Minnesota native established career-highs in games played (67), goals (22), assists (20), points (42), and plus/minus rating (plus-16) with the Portland Winterhawks of the Western Hockey League (WHL) this past season. Iverson tallied a four-game goal streak from October 19 at Tri-City to October 25 at Kitchener (four goals over the span), and tied a single-game career-high with three points (one goal, two assists) on February 7 at Tri-City. He also registered four goals and four assists for eight points, along with 12 penalty minutes in 21 playoff games.

The Rangers’ traded their own third round pick (89th overall) to Washington in exchange for two picks in the fourth round (104th overall and 118th overall). With the first of the two fourth round selections, New York drafted defenseman Ryan Mantha. The Clarkson, Michigan native split this past season between the Sioux City Musketeers and the Indiana Ice of the United States Hockey League (USHL), registering a total of three goals and 12 assists for 15 points, along with 71 penalty minutes and a plus-11 rating in 53 games. Mantha added three assists in 10 playoff games with Indiana.

The Blueshirts selected goaltender Igor Shesterkin with the 118th overall pick. Shesterkin split this past season between MHK Spartak of the Junior Hockey League (MHL) and Spartak Moskva of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL). In 23 appearances with MHK Spartak, the Moscow, Russia native posted a 14-5-4 record, along with a 1.42 GAA, a .947 SV%, and five shutouts. Shesterkin also registered a 12-7 record in 19 playoff games, along with a 1.75 GAA, a .937 SV%, and four shutouts to help MHK Spartak win the MHL Championship.

New York traded its own fourth-round pick (119th overall) to Tampa Bay in exchange for two picks in the fifth round (140th overall and 142nd overall). With their three fifth round picks, the Rangers selected left wing Richard Nejezchleb (122nd overall), defenseman Daniel Walcott (140th overall), and defenseman Tyler Nanne (142nd overall).

Nejezchleb established career-highs in games played (66), goals (32), assists (25), and points (57) with the Brandon Wheat Kings of the Western Hockey League (WHL) this past season. The Prague, Czech Republic native led the team in goals and ranked fifth on the team in points. Nejezchleb added nine points (five goals, four assists) in nine playoff games.

Walcott registered 10 goals and 29 assists for 39 points, along with 71 penalty minutes and a plus-15 rating with the Blainville-Boisbriand Armada of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL) this past season. In his first season in the league, the Ile Perrot, Quebec native ranked second among team defensemen in goals, assists, and points. In 19 playoff games, Walcott tallied four goals and six assists for 10 points, along with 18 penalty minutes. He led all defensemen on Blainville-Boisbriand in goals and points, and ranked second among team defensemen in assists in postseason action.

Nanne tallied seven goals and 20 assists for 27 points, along with 41 penalty minutes in 25 games with Edina High School in Minnesota. The Edina, Minnesota native also added five goals and six assists for 11 points in five playoff games. Nanne tied for the team lead in goals and ranked second on the team in points in postseason play.

New York Rangers 2014 NHL Entry Draft Selections

Name Round Overall 2013-14 Team Pos. Ht. Wt. Born Birthplace

Brandon Halverson 2 59 Sault Ste. Marie (OHL) G 6-3 176 3/29/96 Traverse City, MI

Keegan Iverson 3 85 Portland (WHL) RW 6-0 219 4/5/96 St. Louis Park, MN

Ryan Mantha 4 104 Sioux City/Indiana (USHL)D 6-4 225 6/8/96 Clarkson, MI

Igor Shesterkin 4 118 MHK Spartak (Russia-Jr.) G 6-1 187 12/30/95 Moscow, Russia

Richard Nejezchleb 5 122 Brandon (WHL) LW 6-2 203 5/2/94 Prague, Czech Rep.

Daniel Walcott 5 140 Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL) D 5-11 161 2/19/94 Ile Perrot, QC

Tyler Nanne 5 142 Edina High School (USHS) D 5-10 174 3/17/96 Edina, MN

 

Photo above, Daniel Walcott, by Getty Images.

 

 

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  1. What’s everyone’s thoughts?
    Iverson sounds good but 2 goalies?
    Mostly 18 yr olds but a couple of 20’s. Are the older ones ready for AHL hockey?

  2. Stranger Nation on

    2 goalies?? really??

    dont understand that one, but most these kids are Wolfpack filler at best.

  3. Smart to look at goalies with no real depth at that position and with hank being 32.

  4. Seems like quite a haul. Added a few picks. Crafty.

    Aren’t they all “projects” after the first round?

  5. Goalies= “we better start preparing for getting out of Hanks new contract in a couple years”

    69 million dollar cap. 7 mill tied up with Nash’s contract. Can u build a contending team for 62 million dollars?

  6. Czechthemout!!! on

    Stupid move to take a goalie high when you have hank signed for 7 years.

    Stupid move to take a goalie high who only played 19 games. Antoine Lafleur again.

    Only kid with a chance is Iverson. This is just from reading some stuff about the kids we drafted.

    The Rangers are unable to draft and develop high end talent, that is the biggest reason why we are in salary cap hell almost every year. Look at the amount of high end talent on the Kings, even the guys they got through trades were because they drafted well and turned those assets into Carter, Richards and others. I mean look at guys like Wayne Symonds and Braden Schenn as names that come to mind. We draft MDz,Bobby S, who turned out to be worthless pieces.

  7. They need quality goaltending in Hartford. With Talbert up for good they didn’t have much behind him. You never know when an injury Couls happen.

  8. You have to replace Hank eventually. Gordie said there were some good goalies this draft….4-5 years away….perfect timing.

    I hear Halverson may be the real deal….its worth a shot.

  9. So I went to my favorite Ranger Player charity event last night. Scored a new hockey stick putter in the silent auction!

    The high light of the night is buying a couple of beers for a couple of my favorite players.

    Always fun to talk Sioux hockey with Parise :)

    And my kids favorite goal tender Karl Goering. He holds all the records for the Sioux.

  10. Serious negativity for a team that has had more playoff success in the last 3 years than maybe 80% of NHL teams. Obviously not an organization with a stellar draft record, but definitely one that has figured out ways to stay competitive. How about another goaltender now??

  11. Shouldn’t Parise be buying you beers? Or are you winning lots if tourneys these days? :)

  12. Gravy I agree! But it was packed, you couldn’t get anywhere, he was at the end of the line so why not? It not every day I get a chance to buy you a beer :) he laughed an said thanks, and took the time to take a picture with my best friends girl friend.

    He did comment on on my Ranger phone, he said they were close, but he wanted to play at home :)

  13. Matty"WhyNot!!"Boy on

    Sather getting senile? Not every player was 5’11” and 175.

    Actually are two players over 200 pounds? Well then, they must be slow as molasses.

  14. Final episode of “Brian Boyle Beginnings” aired earlier today. Next week the premier of “Brian Boyle Endings”….

  15. JUST WANT TO SAY I’M GODDANG LOVING THIS EXPERT’S COMMENTS! LOVERS KEEP LOVIN’, HATERS KEEP HATIN’, IN-BETWEENERS KEEP WAFFLING OR ACTUALLY HAVING MODERATED THOUGHTS WHICH TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL DIFFERENT TONES IN OUR GREY AND LAYERED DRAFT REALITY!!!

  16. For me every draft is a good draft full of good picks (at least for a year or two). But then again, I’m a Rangers fan for 50 years so what does that say about me?

  17. Enjoying Game 7 of the Flyer series. Can’t go near the replay of any of the SCF games.

  18. I like the iverson pick, agree the picking of goalies was just…well…ridiculous.

    Sioux
    I thought the best part of your night was aasen dialing lol

    D Moops apparently not coming back.

    I’d live to see duclair up here if he wasn’t so damn small.

  19. I’m looking at the first round draft picks “favorites”, these kids are into some crappy ass movies/music. That Honka kid that Dallas drafted is a Rangers fan. -Alyssa- Sonny Milano is an Isles fan. Yuck!

  20. @PLeonardNYDN

    Sabres have bought out Christian Ehrhoff, former Vigneault D-man in Van. Agent says too early to talk potential new team. Buyout a surprise

    I forgot AV had him in Vancouver. He’ll be a Ranger in two days.

  21. I wouldn’t mind Ehrhoff, because he can actually shoot the puck from the point! But, he would have to be very cheap!

  22. Airhoff is a lefty, don’t think it’s a fit unless Staal or j Moops goes

    What is jovo cop? L or r?

  23. If they are reaching Stralman, it makes sense it will be a righty. With cap issues, it also makes sense to me to keep Klein at just under 3 mil and move him up and use either a young righty (mcilrath) or add a 3rd pair righty that is cheaper…hello engelland or maybe a deal for mcquaid from Boston in the 3rd pair.

    Only way IMHO to add a higher priced d man is trade Staal or get Boston to eat a third of boychuk’s salary

  24. Ehrhoff had a no move clause, so bypassed waivers. He’s turning 32. Minus 27, though on a sucky team. A Richards buy-out, too dangerous to keep. Can we use him? Probably, at the right price, term, but no real clue. Wore an ‘A.’ Made 4 mil per.

  25. He’s a lefty and AV like L/R pairs. Are we moving a lefty (Staal or j Moops) to make room for him?

    If we lose NATW (a righty), we need to be looking for a righty replacement (if everyone else stays).

  26. ThisYearsModel on

    San Jose needs Rick Nash. Rangers need Joe Pavelski. Looks like a good match for a deal. If Wilson won’t do that, trade Nash for Patrick Marleau.

  27. ZzZz NYR ZzZz© East Champions on

    cooscoos , if it make you feel better …Derek King plays for the Kings.

  28. ZzZz NYR ZzZz© East Champions on

    But then again Paul Ranger does NOT play for the Rangers.

  29. Nash should really be on the Sharks! He’d fit right in!

    I want Pavelski! Guy was a 7th rounder. Too bad our scouts passed on him 6 times in 2003!

    PS: We decided to take Chris Holt in the 6th round. ( A scrub goalie who’s played in a grand total of 2 NHL games!)

  30. Nash on the Sharks is really ideal. His annual post season no show won’t even be noticeable.

  31. ThisYearsModel--If ya ain't first, yer last on

    Trade Nash to Vince McMahon for George “The Animal” Steele.

  32. _Marleau is 35 years old. Enough with that!_

    But Nash is 30 and “plays” likes he’s 45.

  33. That Nash $7.8M Cap hit for the next 4 ( or is it a 5?) years is going to hurt big time.

    Repeat loudly: BIG TIME.

    This year, it starts most likely with 3 from the group of Boyle, DMoopps, Stralman and Poileet saying Bye bye. (make if 4 if you throw in Dorsett as well)

    Nash is a killer. Nash kills us on the ice. Nash kills us off the ice. Nash kills us during the season and playoffs. Nash kills us during the summer.

    Nash still sucks.

    The sooner he goes, the better.

  34. “Marleau is 35 years old. ”

    Yeah, probably three or four years away from signing on Broadway.

  35. Papa I’ve been saying it for 48 hours- I don’t know how they can ice a contending team with his contract and the new cap.
    Maybe they should just buy him out?

  36. Orr
    As long as we had a 30 goal scorer on the hook, absolutely.

    I mean subtract Nash and NATW, add burns and maybe iginla for a season or two…cap hits would be close I think.

  37. You take Hank off this team, they suck. Plain and simple. He’s the only reason why NYR are a relevant team in this league.

    Hank is a guy that deserves what he gets! The Good One doesn’t.

    Now NYR have to let go guys that do exactly what is expected of them, and keep The Good One, who doesn’t do what is expected of him, which is be a difference maker in the regular season and especially the playoffs.

  38. Orr
    I’m not disagreeing with you re hank. I agree he deserves his contract more than anyone on the team.

    My point is he 2 or 3 mil per year better than quick or price or rask?

    What’s hiller going to cost?

    Is this team in that much worse shape with hiller, e Kane, and stastny (as an example) in the place of the Nash and hank cap hits?

    Again, just passing the time on my lunch hour.

  39. Slat’s problemo is that there isn’t some (enough?) nourishing food in the cabinet. He knew he would be up against what he is up against, but he hasn’t the AHL horses to bring to the Derby. I’m sure he hoped it would be otherwise, but you hope in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first.

  40. Imagine where we would be if, as some proposed, we had kept #19. Great Googamooga.

  41. Hiller couldn’t help a pretty damn good team like the Ducks win the Cup. He’d do horrible here.

    Hank deserves the extra few million for putting up with this team. Just look at the SCF. His team completely let him down while he was playing his heart out.

    The Hank contract really doesn’t bother me at all.

  42. Hiller was just an example (apparently a bad one), pick a 4 or 5 mil goalie that is pretty good and then think about a couple of really good players that could be added to the roster at 5 or 6 mil each.

    That what I’m musing about.

  43. bull dog line on

    ORR,
    yeah they would suck without Hank, but thats if you don’t replace him.what if you had traded him for Gibson? they would have a goalie of the present and future, and cap space.

  44. This team wouldn’t have made the playoffs in any season since the lockout without Hank in net. I can’t think of a single netminder active throughout that time period who could have done the same for NYR.

    He’s earned every dollar.

  45. Transition year with a revamped 4th Lind and a few kids being forced to play. Fast miller kristo mcilrath.

    Ryan carter mark fayne lol.

    We will miss playoffs book it.

  46. Due to the owners’ greed and the NHLPA’s goofiness, each team will eventually have three guys taking $30 million of the Cap, surrounded by 20 other guys fighting over the other $39.

  47. Then if Gibson is too good then NYR has to trade him for a cheaper capable goalie, or pay him a huge contract eventually. On and on we go!

    Honestly, I think Hank is better than all those goalies, Rask, Price, and even Quick, despite having two rings. Quick has a great team built around him, as does Rask. You put Hank on the Kings, they’re a better team. You put Hank on the Bruins, they’re a better team. Put him on the Hawks, they’re a better team. He’s a great goalie.

  48. You just can’t complain aboot Hank’s contract when comparing him to the other big contracts on the team and the way they play. He had a rough start to the year, but showed up when it mattered most. A guy like that is and always will be worth the contract.

    Trade The Good One! That’s all!

  49. Orr
    That’s my point though. If you put hank on the kings at his price, they lose some of that depth.

    With a better than avg goalie, you can add better skaters.

    With a superstar goalie (and subsequent higher salary) you don’t have the quality depth in skaters.

    I’d argue that the kings better than avg goalie and deeper roster trumped a superstar goalie with higher salary and not as deep roster.

    If hank is on the kings, they can’t re-sign gabby.

    It isn’t quite this simple (their roster had more size to it which is also a factor), but I think the premise is there.

  50. I’m not trying to say if he is or isn’t worth every cent, I’m just saying in a cap world, 8.5 mil is a lot for a goalie when you consider most teams win the cup with a goalie that naked a few mil less than that per season and use the money for better depth.

    And I understand your point is about Nash and his lack of production (especially in the post season) and his ginormous contract…and I agree with you and I would also trade him in the right deal (not to just trade him, it would have to be in the right deal).

    Nash makes your team better by default, he “usually” gets top d pair match ups and checking lines so it does allow other lines a bit more freedom with less effective opposition.

  51. Who do the Kings lose if they have that contract though?

    And Nash doesn’t make your team better. NYR went from being the 2nd best team in the NHL to fighting for a playoff spot after he came to NY. Sure, they had a SCF appearance, but he had *nothing* to do with it. He had a below average season, and was even worse in the playoffs.

  52. I’m not against hank and I’ve already agreed with you re Nash, I’m just against big contracts.

  53. Not a fan of big contracts like hank and Nash in a cap league…I get the fact of the big contracts, I’m just not a fan of them.

    Nothing over 6ish mil is my book ;)

  54. Was Richards vital to their team? Can you replace what he gives the team (intangibles and all) with someone else?

    It’s just a question, I’m honestly not sure either way.

  55. Then maybe it works…I don’t know, I just look at the cap situation and depending on what trades may or may not happen, I see better depth and less issues without a few high $$$ contracts.

    But I could be totally off base here.

  56. Stranger Nation on

    _Nash and Staal to buffalo for Myers and Stewart_

    _Not a fan of big contracts like hank and Nash in a cap league…I get the fact of the big contracts, I’m just not a fan of them_

    _avg goalie and deeper roster trumped a superstar goalie with higher salary and not as deep roster_

    Wicky making way too much sense. Next thing he will pontificating about playable toughness…

    Go wickster!!

  57. Stranger Nation on

    Why draft only 2 goalies when we had more picks to draft more?

    Don’t understand why we didn’t get 4 or 5 if they were available??

  58. Stranger Nation on

    _Was Richards vital to their team?_

    Neigh.

    He did provide leadership in the stable, er, locker room we have been told…

  59. I have to agree with Orr on Hank. Forget about what he’s done. If we win a Cup in the next 5 years, it will be because of Hank. They guys a great netminder and competitor.

    Wish he signed for less, but the solution to that problem is they need to draft better…..we need good young players who can make the big team and contribute.

    Used Tampon > Nash (LMFAO)

  60. Nash lack of production is one thing. But forget the (non) numbers………..

    It’s his complete lack of both heart and balls that kills me.

  61. Nash reminds me of the really dominating squirt player who falls off the map when he starts playing pee-wees because he doesn’t like the checking.

  62. With all this draft talk I pulled up some old posts on the blog to see what people were saying years ago. In light of the goalie picks, I thought it would be interesting to read some comments about Lundqvist after his debut.

    Ironically I wound up a on an old Weinman post from July 2008 about the Rangers resigning Hugh Jessiman. I found this gem from Doodie Machetto which to me summarizes how much of a crap shoot the draft is….

    Doodie Machetto – Replying to “At 6’6″, you should only need minimal NHL talent to make a roster”

    “The guy can’t skate. He was picked for the old NHL, where hooking and grabbing was OK. Who is gonna hook down someone who is 6’6” 230? But now that you can’t do that, the fact that he can’t skate is a big problem. Meanwhile, a shrimp like Gionta would never have stood a chance. I’m not saying it was a good pick, but it wasn’t like it was completely without merit.

    Also, look at Getzlaf’s numbers from juniors in his draft year. Nothing to write home about. That same draft, we got Dawes in the 5th round, even though he had 47 goals and 45 assists. In other words, it’s hard to predict who will do well and who will not.

    BTW, the leading scorer on Getzlaf’s team that year was Freddy Sjostrom.”

    Yup, in ’02-03 Sjostrom had 34 goals/77 points compared to Getzlaf’s 29/68 for the Calgary Hitmen.

    Net-net there’s a whole lot of luck in the draft!

  63. Papa, bears don’t get concussed…you have to understand what that means and give him some time to recover. Let’s re-evaluate after the summer of golf and boating.

  64. What if we played five goalies all at once and left one guy back for breakaways?

    I’m sure some dim bulb will disagree with this.

  65. Nash likes to drive his golf ball into the woods so that on his second shot, there are no people around.

  66. Did you guys see the tweet from the goalie the rangers drafted in the second round??

    Sad as hell

    “Rest in peace Grandpa, i love you and you put up a great fight. I’ll never forget you. Sorry i wasn’t around to say goodbye.”

  67. Orr
    Yep, maybe the prospect game will look like after game 4 of the pens series rangers

  68. Good morning, boneheads!

    I’m back from vacation. Just in time for July 1st. Of course it’ll be busy for me tomorrow since it’s the start of a new academic year for medical residents, so I’ll rely on you for all the updates.

    Meantime, everyone is complaining about $69M cap ceiling while it represents 7% yearly increase, which is still very good for NHL, and, if continues, will surely mean another lockout at some point.

    What is difficult to accept is that the reason this number didn’t go up to $71M was because, according to LB, the players voted against including projected TV revenue( new RDS contract kicks in next year) into HRR. Apparently they didn’t want the escrow to go up, even though Don Fehr recommended to do it. Not good. It sounds like players against players at the moment. Guys with signed contracts ( especially rich, long term ones) are comfortable, players without contracts are being squeezed out.

    Well, Sather has a lot of work to do.

  69. ILB
    How do you find time to work with all of this yacht sailing and trip taking? ;)

  70. Stranger Nation on

    Guys with signed contracts ( especially rich, long term ones) are comfortable, players without contracts (*wanting rich long term ones*) are being squeezed out.

    Yet another vacation???? It’s like its summer or something…

  71. Wick, you could’ve joined us, enough space for all the girls you produced. I’m sure they’re still skiing in Montana.

  72. Ranger lineup looking much different it appears next year with multiple kids probably having play some bigger roles. Fast miller mcilrath Allen.

  73. ILB
    Weather here is starting to suck, it got into the 70s yesterday…blech!

    I want snow damnit!!

  74. So, the Rangers qualified all 4 of their RFAs. J.Moore and C. Kreider (THE, Miami) aren’t arbitration eligible. MZA is only eligible for player-elected salary arbitration, while Brassard is eligible for both player- and team-elected salary arbitration. If MZA elects to arbitrate, he will get a hefty raise and they will only have his rights for 1 year. It’s in team’s best interest to sign him long term. Brassard, on the other hand, with 45 points in 81 games, may not get much more than his current $3.7M QO. It could be in his best interest to sign long term in the $4.25-4.3M. Unless he wants to test the free market next year.

  75. Agree ILB.

    Need get zucc signed long term. Brassard may look for Sam gagne type money. 4.8 per. Very similar career stats.

  76. I know ILB. Just saying when brassard looks around league he puts up same numbers as gagner

  77. London Broil on

    ilb, another vacay??? you vacation & yacht more than you work. i have a question i need to text you… is that ok??

  78. London Broil on

    of all the uFAs, i thought theyd definitely bring back Dom. it was like he found his home again last yr with us. <3 Dom.

  79. bull dog line on

    Manny,
    2 of them are 4th line players. you can’t pay 4th line players 3rd line money. Pouliot is a journeyman. be careful how much and how long you pay a guy like him. Stralman priced himself out of NY. you can’t pay him more than McDonagh, and that is what he is looking for.

  80. It looks like we’ll be reconstructing the bottom part of our roster again!!
    We’re going to need Miller, Lindberg and Fast to step up next year and possibly McIlrath too!

    It all kicks off tomorrow!! Silly season is nearly upon us!

  81. London Broil on

    I like what Sathers doing though… telling players choose winning or choose money. About damn time we stand up & stop allowing ourselves to be heisted for the money while other players sign with other teams for less money.

  82. bull dog line on

    for what it is worth, I think Pouliot stays. it just makes to much sense for him to stay. finally found a team and a coach he fits in on. played good hockey in the 2nd half, and playoffs. Moore will not be as big a loss as you think. nor will Stralman. Boyle will be missed playoff time, not as much in the regular season.

  83. I belive both Moore and Pouliot will stay. Stralman is gone, for sure. Boyle, if he wants $3M or more,they shouldn’t even consider matching it.

  84. It sounds like some of our role players are going to get offered silly money and i can’t blame them for taking it, other than the risk they are taking walking away from a winning team.
    Given the $2m lower cap than anticipated i’d add Pouliot to the definitely leaving list (with Boyle & Stralman), i’d upgrade DMoops to possibly leaving and i’d be prepared for some very awkward RFA negotiations over the new couple of months!

  85. Both Kreider and and J.Moore will get bridge contracts. I think they will target D.Boyle to replace Stralman, for many reasons, one of them is that his contract can be laden with bonuses that can be deferred against next year’s cap.

  86. Pouliot’s agent was talking 3 yrs and $3m per. Thats a lot for a guy who’s had one good year and is probably the league leader in offensive zone penalties

  87. He is not getting that, UK. And if there is a dumb GM willing to give him that, good for him. Not in NY, as important as he was in his role on that line.

  88. bull dog line on

    I know many people here are against it, but I think Dan Boyle makes a lot of sense for the Rangers.

  89. London Broil on

    The key to a good org is replacing quality players effectively & efficiently. Right now i think the Rangers are a good org. The only good org in NY.

  90. bull dog line on

    Kevin Klein for MDZ. how is that for a steal. MDZ is going to be let go by Nashville. if only they let him play his natural side.

  91. If McIlrath is not ready and they are unsure about Klein playing too many minutes then adding a righty D on a short term deal makes some sense but is Dan Boyle one of those guys who really backs up his reputation? Can the guy skate?

  92. He can skate, UK, he is still capable of being a PP quarterback. His defensive game, which was never his be attribute, has gotten even worse. But I think he is paired with McD on PP, he could still be very effective. And they can get him for very minimal cap hit by deferring his bonuses to 2015-16 season.

  93. Manny :(

    I guess we can’t talk about the goal leader :)

    Fair enough, he has to make the team first.

  94. Keegan Iverson 3 85 Portland (WHL) RW 6-0 219 4/5/96 St. Louis Park, MN

    I think this guy will be the “GEM” of this years draft.

    HERE’s hoping one of the Goaltenders picked can make the Hartford Team. It would be nice to see the prospects make a Calder run.

  95. From what I’ve read, D, Boyle still skates and moves the puck well. Not to sound like a broken record, but someone needs to play the PP point with McD now that Ricahrds is gone. Toss in ilb’s comments about deferring the bonuses, and I don’t hate the idea.

    Of course, it depends on term (no more than two years) and money (I read $5M per which is too much, imo).

  96. Rob in Beantown on

    Dom Moore is seeking a 3 year deal worth between $1.6M and $1.85M annually. But there is no movement from Sather or the Rangers at all. (http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2013-14-players/dominic-moore/buzz-dominic-moore-has-heard-nothing-from-the-rangers/)

    Those terms are entirely reasonable and fair. I’d be more worried about the years than the dollars since he’ll be 36 at the end of the contract, but the cap keeps going up so I say do it and don’t worry about the money until year 3.

    I kind of disagree about the don’t pay 4th liners 3rd line money point. Having a reliable and effective 4th line is a huge competitive advantage. We saw that much this past season. Who cares about whether the label is 3rd line or 4th line? You should pay out based on the value the players and line bring to the team, and that fourth line was hugely valuable. Plus, I suspect you can more easily slot guys on cheaper RFA contracts into that 3rd line role than the 4th line one. I’m willing to pay a UFA premium to keep that 4th line together.

  97. As long as Boyle can skate and play the PP i guess we can pair him with Staal or hide him on the 3rd pair – as long as we’re not paying him what we’d have had to pay for Stralman to stay (eg $4m+). Who is this Devils defenseman who keeps getting mentioned too? Fayne?

  98. Doodie Machetto on

    That was a great trade by Maloney. If Sather had pulled the same deal, it would have gone a long way for bridging the gap on this team.

  99. London Broil on

    Id be more interested in improving the defense than the power play point. a team can win with a subpar power play.

  100. Sioux – i liked the Iverson pick

    Hockeysfuture had some good things to say:
    “Iverson is a big-bodied forward with 200-foot skills. Will be given every opportunity to become a reliable scorer as junior career progresses. Physically imposing. Battles aggressively for puck. Not a guy who gets “pushed around”.”

    Hopefully he can skate too!

  101. D. Moops terms are completely reasonable, and I’d suspect 3 years, $4.5M would get it done. I suppose Sather could be handling some of the bigger money deals as priority, but you’d think they’d have at least touched base.

  102. It’s looking like a very bleak offseason for the Rangers so far. No real prospects to promote or cap space to spend to take the place of the players the Rangers will lose.

    JT Miller for Richards?
    Fast for Pouliot?
    Lindberg for Moore/Boyle?
    Carcillo for Dorsett?
    D. Boyle for Stralman?

    Ouch…

  103. A team can win without a really good PP, but it’s much harder with a terrible PP. Like him or not, Richards was a big part of the PP when it was going good.

  104. cooscoos
    _Nash likes to drive his golf ball into the woods so that on his second shot, there are no people around._

    June 30th, 2014 at 12:11 AM

    Mr Cooscoos. LOL.

    If Nash is trying to avoid people, I hope he isn’t in the woods at any of the golf courses I play on. I’ve met -some- many a horrible golfer / nice person in the woods surrounding the fairways and greens I infrequent.

  105. Doodie Machetto on

    Whenever I see people gushing about Duclair, I just think of Grachev. Let’s just temper expectations a bit.

  106. I wonder how much Niskanen will cost. I assume out of the Rangers league.

    I’m surprised that Nashville is giving up on MotZ already. He’s still young.

  107. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, it’s his QO that’s the problem. I think they would have kept him around if he wasn’t going to be so expensive to keep.

  108. DMoops biggest salary to date was $1.2m – 3yrs at $1.3m-$1.4m would be my highest offer

  109. Tomorrow is going to be a very exciting day. I can’t wait to watch all of our players slowly melt away one by one.

  110. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, it won’t be slow. I imagine Stralman, D.Moops, and Boyle are all gone within the first hour.

    Pouliot will wait a few days.

  111. Rob in Beantown @ 9:50

    Bingo!

    Great point on the value of the 4th line.

    I seriously doubt a team will win a Cup in this era without the benefit of rolling 4 quality lines and 3 sets of D.

    I am the last guy who should talk about the cap, but here’s my 2 cents anyway…

    2 critical elements for being able to distribute the Cap across a winning team comprised of 4 lines, 3 sets of D and 2 goalies……complement your superstars / all stars with as many 1) young talented up and coming players in entry level deals and /or 2) several older quality players (like DMoore) who are still effective yet relatively cheap 3) in as many positions as possible.

  112. 2010-11 Rangers are probably my favorite squad to ever root for and Boyle leaving would successfully kill off the last of my four favorites. Sounds about right.

  113. I’m not sure these guys will go so quickly – its become a drawn out affair over the last few years, everything waiting on the big ones to move (ie. Stastny, Vanek, Iginla, Niskanen).

    I’m wondering whether we’ll be in on Jussi Jokinen, Grabowski etc. guys that would probably give us a bit of depth down the middle without the 1st line price tag

  114. Fat Guy, Vegas oddsmakers set the over/under for Action Park deaths this summer at 2.5.

  115. Doodie, I didn’t realize he made $2.9M this year. That would be quite a bit to qualify.

  116. Doodie Machetto on

    Prediction: Ryan Carter and Dan Boyle are Rangers, and Stralman, Moore, and Brian Boyle are not.

    Not a bold prediction, by any means, but one I feel reasonably confident in asserting.

    For a bolder prediction, I’ll say we sign one of Shawn Thornton, Mikhail Grabovski, or Dave Bolland.

  117. bull dog line on

    yes you have to value the 4th line, but you can’t over value it. you need the top guys. if you pay the 4th line, like the 3rd line, what do you pay the 3rd line? Boyle, and Moore were very important for there role. your 4th line has to be paid as 4th liners.

  118. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, and it wouldn’t be a big deal if they could work out a long term deal with him, but how can you sign a guy like MDZ to a long term deal after three underwhelming months on your team?

  119. bull dog line on

    Doodie, I like the idea of signing Bolland. not at what he is looking for though.

  120. Bold prediction: We will sit, watch our guys move on then realize “you know what, we have like $10MM in our pockets” and do something like bail Vanek out of a shallow market.

  121. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, the problem is that on championship teams, the forwards corps has young players on cheap contracts (and hopefully a couple of ELCs) sprinkled throughout the lineup, so you can splurge a little bit on your fourth line veterans.

    Our lineup does not have that. We will not have a single home grown forward under 2 million on our roster unless you count Fast or Miller, and frankly, those guys aren’t very good.

    What also really kills us is the guy who is getting almost 8 million dollars plays like he should be getting less than half of that.

  122. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, I’d like to sign a lot of guys at a price below what they’re asking.

    Bolland wants legit 2nd line center money/term, when he’s more like a boom/bust injury risk 3rd line center.

  123. In a nutshell, Doodie, that’s our cap disaster. Overpaying guys in their UFA years is a necessity, but that necessity mandates young talent. We’re really good at half that equation.

  124. I wonder if LE is hagars replacement in waiting? Isn’t hagars contract like 3 mil per and up at the end of the upcoming season?

  125. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, it is very bold indeed to predict Sather will be patient and not spend every dollar in his pocket as soon as he has it to spend.

  126. Doodie Machetto on

    Wick, 2.25 per. Yes, up at the end of the season. RFA with arb rights, if I’m not mistaken.

    I do not think Duclair is intended to replace Hagelin in any way, shape, or form.

    And again, Grachev.

  127. bull dog line on

    I think you underrate Miller a bit, but I get your point. I still don’t think it would be wise to pay both Boyle and Moore. I would not give Moore 3 years. I would overpay for Boyle.

  128. London Broil on

    See what we have in the youngsters… make a deal at the deadline for a run at winning. No need to go out & spend exorbitant amts of cap space on players. Teach free agents that we’re not here to hand out the highest pay check & that if the player wants to win, NY is the place to be.

  129. bull dog line on

    Bolland is coming off injury. wonder if his market is not what he hopes. patience and pounce.

  130. Doodie
    Thanks.

    I’m not sure about duclair either. I was just curious. They seem to be about the same size and speed, Hagar better defencively, duclair better offencively.

  131. 1) I’d trade Klein…..there is probably a market for him.

    2) I’d then sign Stralman and find a kid to play on the 3rd pair.

    By Adding Klein’s money (2.9) and Stralmans money (1.7), Sather should have more than enough ($4.6 ) to fill 2 D spots with quality (Stralman) AND a prospect / kid for the 3rd pair.

    3) I’d GIVE Boyle as much of Dorsett’s ($1.6) plus Boyle’s money ($1.8) as is needed to get him signed. ($3M should do it?)

    4) whatever is leftover from combining Boyle / Dorsett pile of money (not much probably) goes towards Poileet along with some of Richies money. Poilett is at 1.3 probably needed 1.7 more to get it done.

  132. Please no Dave Borland for that type of money. I believe we offer Dan Boyle most amongst all 5 teams. 2 yr deal 5.5 5.7 per

  133. I’m still at a loss trying to understand the overlap in the Venn Diagram of “the 4th line was our best line in the playoffs” and “you can’t pay 4th liners”. Scoring goals is really great but we’ve seen what happens when you pay for goals and ignore everything else. These guys are the opposite and, while not as important, are still vitally important to a team. Sign Boyle, sign Moore unless it gets silly, keep the three RFA forwards then piece in a kid or two and/or a cheap bottom 6 vet type like Winnik. Pouliot walks. We can’t sign all of our own and he’s the most easily replaced.

  134. I bet stralman Boyle Dom Moore all stay in east and stralman and Boyle stay in division.

    Boyle ends up in Pittsburgh. Stralman Columbus

  135. Playing half a season, Dave Bolland scored 8 goals by making a quarter of the shots he took. DEFINITELY a guy worth pursuing on a long term deal while we stick it to Boyle.

  136. Mr D, sounds like you cooked that one up in the Dutch Oven.

    I Like it. But still think it needs NoNash.

  137. N.Y. Rangers take one-time UND recruit Ryan Mantha in the fourth round.

    Nice pick by the Rangers, he was almost a Sioux :)

  138. Id rather not sign slewfoot Dan, and I don’t think Stralman (as much a journeyman as Pouliot) is worth what he is going to get.

    We still need size and bite on the blueline and I’d rather see a guy like orpik added (on the left side, so move Moops?) or add a righty either mcilrath or engelland for the 3rd pair.

    If you make a deal for boychuk from Boston (believe he is a righty), you get some offence and bite.

  139. We’d be in the Cat Bord Seat w/o Nash’s 7.8 cap hot.

    I said The Effing Cat Bird Seat!

  140. Oh, I’m team NoNash for sure. I just don’t think its feasible between the NTC and the C.

  141. I’m not sold on jt miller…maybe disappointed is a better word.

    I hear about this hot tempered fiery kid off the ice, so I want to see a hard hitting in peoples faces drop the mitts occasionally on ice performance, and all I see is Jesper fast x 2

  142. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, I hear you. Last season we were lucky that we had THE and MZA on low contracts, and even then, we were lucky to bring in Moore and Pouliot on one year deals. Moore was much better than I expected. He could have easily flopped after a year out of the game. And Pouliot was a reclamation project that went right. It easily could have gone the other way.

  143. I know Sather won’t do it, because he hates the short term hit to stabilize the long term, but asking Kreider about a 5+ year deal makes a ton of sense right now. His pay is only going to escalate is his restricted years and if he ever reaches UFA the market will dive on him.

  144. A 6’4″ 220lb, $7.8 cap hit, superstar forward who can’t crack the top two PP units because he won’t go to the slot area.

    NoNash.

  145. I would also go with a long deal for Kreider. I would have done it for Stepan as well. But we all know how Sather thinks…

  146. Question about Dan Boyle is would we be getting a guy who would do a great job of running the PP and adding some offense from the back end while at the same time being able to actually play some D, or would we be getting Wade Redden all over again?

  147. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m sure Kreider isn’t itching to sign a long term deal for less than 4 per, either.

    I think he and is agent see that the arrow is pointing up.

  148. Is it, Doodie? Pretend you’re like me and willing to walk away from Pouliot and Stralman.

  149. Oh, I’m definitely going over $4MM on my pretend Kreider deal. But I’m doing that to prevent what could easily be a $6MM+ player down the not so long road.

  150. bull dog line on

    saying the 4th line was the best line is a bit of a stretch. did they have some moments, sure. but they are what they are, 4th liners.
    Wicky,
    Pouliot is a journeyman. a journeyman I would like to keep. I would argue he was more valuable than the 4th line players that everybody wants to overpay. he is my top UFA to keep.
    still don’t understand the Miller hate. because he was immature last year? he is going to play in the NHL for 10 or more years. just a question of top 6 or bottom 6.

  151. If Stralman goes, I hope he decide to be turn into the journeyman DMAN and not the continue to be the stud playoff Blueliner we have witnessed during the last 3 playoffs years.

    And should he continue to be the playoff stud, I hope we don’t let him go for anything less than $4.5 per year.

  152. Except that $4M per is a lot to swallow now when they’re against the Cap. 2-year bridge at lesser amount, and they still hold his rights when the cap will be higher.

  153. Doodie Machetto on

    Let’s say they give him McDonagh’s deal. Exact same deal. 5 years, 4.7 million.

    4.7 million this year for Kreider puts out cap space at 18.6, with 6 forwards and 2 d left to sign, and that includes playing Fast next year. Without him, we need to fill 9 roster spots with only 19.6 million.

    We would basically be throwing in the towel on this season in that case. Which wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if we still had a first round pick.

  154. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, I think he’s bottom 6, and have thought so since before he was drafted. I have no problem at all sticking him on the 4th line next year instead of him getting time to develop in the AHL or more ice time here.

    As for Pouliot, I think Dom Moore is more important than him, but otherwise I’m with you. Moore, as a center, is more valuable on our team, which is bereft of them.

    And considering their demands, I’d much rather pay Moore 3 years at 1.6 than Pouliot 3X3.

  155. The most entertaining part wi be when Sather signs Carter, assumingly right after Boyle and Moore have new teams, it will be for the same if not more money than one of those two guys asked for. Because we all know that longevity isn’t something Sather is into. He needs other people’s toys.
    “My free agents suck. They just did good here because they had chemistry with teammates”

  156. Doodie Machetto on

    James G, that is the Sather model. Donald Brashear over Colton Orr. Derek Boogaard over Jody Shelley.

  157. Iginla’s contract in Boston last year was $6M, but his actual Cap hit was $1.8M, the rest is counted against this year’s Cap. You can go up to $7.5% over the cap with performance bonuses, and then defer it to the next season. If Dan Boyle wants to play with his old buddy MSL, they can structure his deal with minimal cap hit this year.

  158. Chicago & the Blues drafted the Sioux’s top talent. It seems to me both teams like going to the well :)

  159. Lets say they go $4.5MM each for Kreider and Brassard to get some years, that would be $14MM to fill 7 slots. Miller is just under a million, Moore can’t get more than like $1.75MM so a little more than $11MM for 5. I’m signing Boyle so $8MM+ for 4. Zucc I’m going short term on, so … $5.5MM for 2? He has no leverage here and he’s a guy I’d use it on. $5MM+ for 3. Moore willing at $1.7MM is $3.5MM for 2. I like Diaz enough, I don’t think Diaz gets paid much. Then two more guys around $1MM per for a little breathing room.

    Now, if you can spin Nash on a Gaborik like deal where you fill 2 or 3 lower spots at less money than you’re paying one guy right now … that would be cool.

  160. London Broil on

    ilb, can you explain that one more time?? if you give performance bonuses this year, it counts towards the cap next year? and you can go over next year’s cap by 7.5% with performance bonuses from the previous year?

  161. Doodie Machetto on

    MZA has leverage. He has arb rights. The guy who leads his team in scoring and has almost 60 points is going to get at least 3.5 million in arbitration. Plus, kiss him goodbye next year.

  162. *What’s a bonus overage?*

    When the bonus cushion is in effect, teams can exceed the salary cap in performance bonuses by up to 7.5 percent of the salary cap’s upper limit. Should performance bonuses actually earned at season’s end push them past the salary cap’s upper limit, the excess bonuses earned will be carried over as a penalty to the team’s cap payroll the following season.

  163. Ilb – Igilna made all of his bonus money, now they can’t resign him for this year.

    That’s how a Veteran should be paid.

  164. _Except that $4M per is a lot to swallow now when they’re against the Cap. 2-year bridge at lesser amount, and they still hold his rights when the cap will be higher._

    This doesn’t work, unless a raise that eats up your cap gains is seen as working. We’ll get to see this first hand w/ Stepan after 2014-15. “Hey, the cap is up another $6MM! Oh, that idiotic bridge deal w/ Stepan is going to either cost us the player or half the cap gains.”

  165. They only gave Stepan two years because they were basically in the same position as they were this year. They had signed D Moore, Pouliot, and MZA and had only so much space left to sign Stepan.

    In fact, I believe that they had to use LTIR on Callahan in order to field a roster under the cap to start the year. So while I’d agree with signing THE to a five year deal, I don’t think they can actually do it.

  166. London, Manny explained it. Basically, the Rangers can sign a player(s) with performance bonuses to go over the Cap by $5.175M this year. That number can be deferred against next year’s Cap.

  167. The bigger the cushion the sweeter the pushin
    That’s what I said
    The looser the waistband the deeper the quicksand
    Or so I have read

  168. I didn’t explain it! I just copied and pasted CapGeeks pretty concise explanation.

  169. Gravy, you can do it when you commit to carrying young players rather than insisting on needing veterans. No argument it worked out last year, but the necessity to pay a veteran to do the job a rookie can do for cheaper is self-mandated.

  170. Doodie Machetto on

    The only idiotic deal on this team is the one paying Rick NAsh 7.8 MM to be a pretty good third liner.

  171. That’s correct, Gravy. Speaking of Cap, next year the RDS money will have to be counted into the HRR, since it will actually be generated, and not projected. So 10% increase next year is quite possible.

  172. The only idiotic deal on this team is the one paying Rick NAsh 7.8 MM to be a pretty -good- sad third liner.

  173. London Broil on

    So lets suppose the bruins were right at the cap limit this year & Jarome Iginla earned 5 million in performance bonuses..

    Theyd be fine because the 5 mil is less than 5.175 allotted bonus overages this year. right??

  174. Doesn’t arbitration focus strongly on prior year cap hit? A salary increase of like 200%, regardless of low prior, seems pretty extreme.

  175. Doodie Machetto on

    London, no. They would be over this year by 5 million.

    The overage is allowed in the year that the performance bonuses are earned. So let’s say they had 5.175 million in cap space last year. Then last year, the 5 million in bonuses would have applied to their cap, and they would have no overage penalty this year.

    But since they were right up against the ceiling last year, pretty much all of his bonus money is applied to this year’s cap. It’s just dead cap space.

  176. MD, I agree that they should commit to the youth as much as possible, but they may not be able to retain any of the 4th line we want to keep if they sign Kreider for $4M+.

  177. London Broil on

    doodie, sorry for insulting you the other day. i was having a bad day. took my anger out on you.

  178. Falk didn’t get a Qualifying Offer so it looks like he will walk away with NO DEAL, from the Rangers.

  179. Doodie Machetto on

    This is the evidence that can be used in arbitration:

    The player’s “overall performance” including statistics in all previous seasons.

    Injuries, illnesses and the number of games played.
    The player’s length of service with the team and in the NHL.

    The player’s “overall contribution” to the team’s success or failure.

    The player’s “special qualities of leadership or public appeal.”

    The performance and salary of any player alleged to be “comparable” to the player in the dispute.

    It’s that last one where most of these boil down to. And there aren’t too many comparables for MZA making less than 3.5 million.

  180. I mentioned this morning, Doodie. It’s not in team’s best interest to arbitrate with MZA. He’ll get a big raise anyway, and they will lose him to UFA next year.

  181. _MD, I agree that they should commit to the youth as much as possible, but they may not be able to retain any of the 4th line we want to keep if they sign Kreider for $4M+_

    I see it more as allowing Stralman to walk, given that you may end up fitting Boyle, D. Moore and Diaz (or a Diaz-like player) into less than a million more than Stralman’s end pay.

  182. Doodie Machetto on

    Gomez was awarded 5 million after coming off of a 2.2 million contract. And that was under a much, much lower cap.

  183. Rob in Beantown on

    Falk is the Bartleby the Scrivener of the NHL. He probably told Sather he’d prefer not to _not_ get a qualifying offer and will just stick around.

  184. http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/30738

    I put together yet another roster here, this time signing Kreider for $4M. I also re-signed Stralman for $4.5M, but you could go McIlrath/Allen and sign Boyle. It can be done, but it would also require playing Fast and Miller and having Lindberg (or a similar salary) as your 13th forward.

  185. Gomez was entering his 7th season coming off a point per game. I don’t think that’s a comp. Or I hope its not.

  186. London Broil on

    ilb, agreed on MZA. he’s too valuable to the team & worth the money. maybe we can get him for 3.5 mil per year on a LT contract of 6 yrs.

  187. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m not saying it’s a comp. I’m just using it as an example of how much salary can increase via arbitration.

  188. Doodie Machetto on

    JT Miller with MSL? No thank you. Let’s put one of the game’s premier playmakers with a guy who has a career goal ratio of less than .1 goals per game. I know he’s young, small sample size, and was playing in a reduced role, but there’s no way I want St. Louis playing with JT Miller’s stone hands.

  189. I don’t think the lines are as important as the roster. Just finding a way to fit Kreider in on a long term deal.

  190. London Broil on

    i’d give it more time before offering Kreider a long term deal. it may not work with him like it didnt work with Seguin in b*st*n. he needs to develop consistency & needs to be a lethal goal scorer.

  191. @DarrenDreger

    “@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Tim Gleason, Anton Volchenkov and Shane O’Brien put on unconditional waivers today”. Jovo also cleared.

  192. Volchenkov, Gleason, McBain, O’Brien. Either bought out or not qualified. A lot of defensemen are hitting the free market.

  193. Stranger Nation on

    _Iverson is a big-bodied forward with 200-foot skills. Will be given every opportunity to become a reliable scorer as junior career progresses. Physically imposing. Battles aggressively for puck. Not a guy who gets “pushed around_

    Love the sound of it, but reads like it was written by his agent. Big thick forwards who can score are always welcome

    #playabletoughness

  194. Stranger Nation on

    Give Miller a shot at 3C – hopefully he comes in shape and stays out of the box.
    Lindberg as option 2 if Miller falters.

    Hartford 4th line maybe down at MSG

    Asham – Powe – Haley

    ha!!

  195. Stranger Nation on

    Need to split up THE and Gnashed

    THE – Step – MStL
    Pullout – Bros – Zucc
    Hags – Miller – Nashed Potato Sandwich

  196. Stranger Nation on

    I think Haley could contribute

    If I see Kung Powe again, we have packed in the season

  197. too bad if we end up losing Boyle
    but
    if $ demands and playing demands are too much
    then good luck Brian (and hopefully you take your show to the western conference)
    but
    as far as Dominic Moore
    i really don’t understand why the Rangers aren’t even in talks with his agent
    just see him as an integral part of
    4th line and locker room leadership

  198. @ Eric – I plan on having a nice scotch tonight in celebration of Bob Gainey Day.

    @ Sioux – I agree, in limited exposure I’ve always liked Vrbata’s game

    @anyone – any interest on any of these people being bought out (serious interest) I don’t hate the ideas of Erhoff and/or Volchenkov for reasonable deals.

  199. All these buy outs can make the defensive free market interesting. Players like Stralman may not get as much money/offers as they, and their agents, originally thought.

  200. Our 4th line will be 3 new guys.

    Good Luck picking them out boys, lots of UFA out there.

  201. Rob in Beantown on

    The King with No ESPYs needs our help again

    Henrik Lundqvist @HLundqvist30
    I’m honored to be up for an @ESPYS again this year! The voting has started..
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  202. Miller is only 21, he has the size to play the 4th line. Until he can win a faceoff or score some points he won’t spend much time above the 4th line.

  203. ThisYearsModel on

    How odd is it to go into “free agent frenzy” day tomorrow worried more about who we lose from last season than who we go out and sign?

  204. Rob in Beantown on

    You can also vote for Dominic Moore for the ESPY for “Best Comeback Player.” You’d be forcing ESPN to admit hockey exists for just a few minutes of broadcast time, plus it’s the right thing to do.

  205. Doodie Machetto on

    “Players like Stralman may not get as much money/offers as they, and their agents, originally thought.”

    Could go the other way, too. Lots of defensemen jobs now open and teams have cleared cap space to fill them.

  206. DMoops will not set the world on fire, but he sure did start a flame in our hearts. Can we afford to lose an inexpensive center who excelled on the 4th line and was moved up and down when needed? Though he is hardly the answer to all our problemos, He turns 34 in August, and if signed, wants 3 years, won’t get more than two, IMO.

  207. Nash contract puts a choke hold on this team….who already has to overpay players because of NY tax implications. Tough to build chemistry or to even keep your core together.
    Pens, Kings, Hawks, etc. Have their high priced stars and still manage to fill out the roster for reasonable money.

  208. I tend to agree with ilb that this would hurt Stralman because there are certainly a lot of Defensive options around his skill level.

  209. Stranger Nation on

    _Miller is only 21, he has the size to play the 4th line. Until he can win a faceoff or score some points he won’t spend much time above the 4th line_

    Realize the kid has not scored much with the big club, but he outscored a certain barefoot chugger from the Badlands of US when he was in Hartford.

    Kid has performed on big stages in the past. Can he even legally order a beer yet?

    That being said, AV doesn’t like rooks, so they probably get a vet to man the 3C pivot (Ott?).

  210. Stranger Nation on

    Stalman’s value is enhanced by his performance for the current coach. Style-wize, he is a perfect 2nd or 3rd pair Dman for AV’s system. Just cannot afford to pay him top pair $$

  211. AV sitting on the can smoking a cigar and reading the Racing Form while waiting for some FA’s to fold?

  212. Doodie Machetto on

    Stranger, he doesn’t like guys who can’t play. Kreider was (technically) a rookie and played a ton.

    Coincidentally, Kreider was eligible for the Calder but Miller was not.

  213. Doodie Machetto on

    But how many of them are coming off of good seasons, and more importantly, good playoff runs? These guys are being bought out for a reason. If anything, it could just create more teams capable of bidding on his services.

  214. @NYP_Brooksie

    Told that Islanders have been looking into Del Zotto, whose rights will either be dealt today by Nashville or who will not be qualified.

    LOL! I told you! Del Z & Brad Neigh at the point on the Isles PP

  215. Stranger Nation on

    Nash -contract puts a- choke hold -on this team….who already has to overpay players because of NY tax implications.- -Tough to- build chemistry -or to even keep your core- together.

  216. Stralman is no McD, never will be, and as such, although a UFA, he’ll get no 4 mil here.

  217. bull dog line on

    still don’t understand the Miller hate. you guys talk about getting bigger, and having young forwards on the team to help with cap. here is one, but you bash him. don’t get it.

  218. Stranger Nation on

    Doodie – he did suit him up in 4 PO games. Not sold on Miller, but he ha proven he can produce at AHL level, just needs to bring it up a notch. Playing with Hags would do wonders for his game.

  219. bull dog line on

    but hey, lets give Moore 3 years, and Boyle 4 years at 3 mill per. you guys are all over the place.

  220. At least if Del Zaster comes back he will be able to have cheap accommodations since he can stay with Liam for free. I think the Traynor’s even provide food and soft drinks.

  221. bull dog line on

    if only they had let MDZ play in his natural side. maybe this is his wake up call. if not, he is going to be out of the league real soon.

  222. Hags salivating on the possibility of playing Isles on the PK with MDZ and Richie on the points.

  223. Speaking of DMoops, he also (along with Boyler) was stellar on the PK all year. All we’ll have left there is Hags, as you just can’t have an $8 million dollar behemoth (Nash) killing penalties instead of on the PP.

  224. At least if Motz comes back, he can get a decent slice of pizza. And be closer to MZA.

  225. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, I’m fine with Miller as a 4th liner. I just don’t think he will be more than a 3rd liner at this level.

  226. Doodie Machetto on

    Also, he would have to be on the wing until he rounds out his defensive game a bit. I don’t think he’s ready to handle so much defensive responsibility.

    But I would gladly take him in Dorsett’s spot. Or Boyle’s, provided they pick up some other penalty killers. I’m fine with him getting worked in on the PK and developing him to play it, but he can’t go into the season as a top PK player.

  227. MDZ made just about 3 mil last year. Wonder what he thinks he’s worth. Anybody, what do you think he’s worth? Serious question.

  228. Doodie Machetto on

    “@azc_mclellan
    FYI, the #Coyotes did not retain Gagner’s NMC clause. Nixed in the trade. @capgeek”

    Man, this trade keeps getting better and better for Maloney.

  229. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, and that’s a problem. You can’t waste St. Louis like that.

  230. Doodie, hate to point it out, but Kreider, too, as well as Miller, often lost away from the puck. Who’s coaching these guys?

  231. bull dog line on

    I look at it the other way Doodie. it the perfect spot for Miller. protected between St. Louis, and Hagelin. also don’t discount Lindberg getting a spot.

  232. Stranger Nation on

    Torts getting El Zotto to play like he did was nothing short of a miracle.

    Very immature player who needs a disciplinarian coach to keep him in line.

  233. _DZ needs to sign a 1 year, 1.5 million show me contract._

    With Scores or Hustler?

  234. Doodie Machetto on

    But how is that protection? If/when he doesn’t produce, there will be tremendous pressure because of the expectations upon St. Louis to produce points.

    I don’t think St. Louis would be very happy, either, to see his great work die repeatedly on Miller’s stick.

    I just don’t see him ever becoming an effective offensive player.

  235. Doodie Machetto on

    Agree, Mister D. Former first round pick with puck moving ability. He’s going to be around for a while, at least into his early 30s.

  236. Doodie Machetto on

    I actually think the Islanders would be a really good spot for him. He needs to rediscover his game offensively. No better place to do it than where there is absolutely no pressure to play defense.

  237. Holding breath, waiting for Darth Vader blockbuster of the year…would not even want to speculate, It is what it is…hold on to your seats. And it will jettison payroll. (no, Rod did not tell me about this one, but I can sense it coming!) If we stand pat and keep our core…hurrah.

  238. I think Miller could be very nice in a garbage man role. He looks comfortable in front of the net. Of course, that probably means we’ll still need a 3C, sooo …

  239. bull dog line on

    MDZ is going to be on his 3rd team in 2 years. 2 coaches and organization’s have given up on him. 2 pretty good coaches by the way. he is running out of chances. while I think it is more likely he figures it out, there is still a good chance he does not.

  240. Anton Stralman was given up on by Columbus and NJ at an age beyond MDZ’s current.

  241. Topsy-Turvy world of new NHL, kids brought up to be offensive defensemen when they never learned first and foremost how to play defense.

  242. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, I think the Rangers and Preds ditched him partly for salary purposes. He isn’t worth what he would have had to have been paid this season.

    I think he still becomes a decent defenseman in this league. If Rapha Diaz can still cling to a career, MDZ will find a home.

  243. McDonagh learned well his responsibilities and developed defensive proficiency before he was allowed to unleash at the other end. Classic development.

  244. Doodie

    did gagne’s nmc disappear because he allowed himself to be moved from tb to coyotes?
    makes no sense
    if it’s in the player’s contract, it’s in there.

  245. They drafted him first,
    He thought he was liverwurst.
    They gave him number 4,
    He thought he was Bobby Orr.

  246. bull dog line on

    Doodie,
    the Rangers ditched him because he was having his 3rd awful season out of 5. his play was the reason. Nashville ditched him because it did not take them as long to figure it out. maybe he figures it out. still his average skating, and no hockey sense whats so ever, will continue to hold him back.

  247. Or maybe DZ also has a cap consideration that Stralman didn’t. He was getting cut at a much lower hit.

  248. Nashville hasn’t ditched Del Zotto. They are looking to *trade* him. It’s not like they waived him. He’s got value. That’s why they would trade him.

    Thus, he’s not leaving the league.

  249. Let’s also remember that the Predators fired Trotz. They are trying to retool.

  250. Doodie Machetto on

    jpg, technically a NMC/NTC clause is eliminated the moment a player agrees to waive it to be moved, unless the team he is being moved to explicitly agrees to honor it after he is traded.

    So in this scenario, either Gagner’s camp didn’t ask or Maloney refused their request and he agreed to waive the clause anyway.

  251. Doodie Machetto on

    I’ve seen better play from MDZ in his first and third seasons than I have seen at any point from John Moore. Moore is a better skater, no question, but he’s shown me nothing in hockey IQ, either. Key difference is he’s a hell of a lot cheaper than MDZ.

  252. bull dog line on

    giving up on a 1st round pick is a bigger deal than giving up on a 7th round pick. if either team felt he was worth it, he would still be with them.

  253. The Rangers got a very solid, affordable 2nd or 3rd Pair Defenseman in Kevin Klein in return for Del Zotto. That’s pretty darn good return.

    You’re kind of being crazy right now.

  254. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, the Preds are straight up giving up on him. The Rangers moved him to balance out their lineup. They had a redundancy between him and Moore. They chose to keep Moore presumably because he is cheaper and was having a better season.

    I still think MDZ becomes a better player than Moore.

    If we are going by who has the best season in their career, I think MDZ’s third season (11-12) is the best season either of them will ever have.

  255. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, MDZ was shipped out before the team, particularly the defense, had really figured out AV’s system.

    And his partner was a playing on his wrong side John Moore. Not exactly the supporting cast a guy like Del Z needs.

  256. Doodie Machetto on

    PAP for Briere.

    Salary dump by Colorado. Briere’s contract ends sooner. That just freed up 4 million to use next summer on trying to keep O’Reilly.

  257. @renlavoietva

    Daniel Brière traded to Colorado for PA Parenteau. #canadiens #tvasports

  258. Well gorges is a lefty and so are all the guys put on waivers for purpose of a buy out.

    Don’t see a fit with us

  259. Totally forgot that he played for NYR this year, Bull!

    Only thing you I can say is, he didn’t have a full year in that system. The whole team struggled with it. Like I said, not that I’m saying he’s going to improve significantly. Just a thought!

  260. RIP Frank Cashen. Used to see him at his old Bronxville watering hole. If he was literally wearing his Mets cap, uh, oh. Good man, always ready to talk baseball.

  261. It didn’t say Pouliot was considering the Pens, although I assume he would if they’re going to make a push for him.

    Dupuis 2.0?

  262. Exactly Gravy, Pouliot is exactly the kind of player you stick on an elite center’s wing and he flies, just like he did with Zucc. Will be very interesting to see what Boyle gets. If the other GMs around the league were paying attention they should realize that the Rangers signed him to his just-expired contract assuming he would be a great third line center putting up 20 goals/year, and for the first 2 years under Torts he showed that the role AV had him in this year is the absolute perfect role for him.

    Tough to pony up so much money for all of your top 4 defensemen. Interested to see if Stralman winds up here anyway. Moore will be here. Pouliot could easily be replaced with another reclaimation project like Heatly or Setoguchi.

  263. What do you guys think about picking up Christian Erhoff? He could possibly be had for a reasonable price after being bought out and could be insurance if the NYR can’t reach a deal with Stralman. Staal and Erhoff pairing could be pretty darn good.

  264. Again “if” AV sticks with his L/R D pairing preference, airhoff is a lefty. If we are replacing Stralman in the line up (not j Moops or Staal), you need a righty…no to airhoff.

  265. On a reasonable contract, Erhoff makes some sense. But, AV has shown a tendency to go righty-lefty on his pairs. I don’t think they’d view him as a replacement for Stralman.

  266. Could easily
    See sather signing Anton volchenkov to a deal especially after buyout he got from jersey. Sather was very interested yrs back.

  267. Righties are hard to come by, so expect Stralman to get significant offers in free agency…slewfoot Dan as well.

  268. Gravy
    Correct

    Eric
    Are they moving j Moops or Staal for him?

    I might actually consider moving j Moops for orpik or the Russian hammer!

  269. you guys probably know this already. I’m sure Eric had the scoop :)

    @rangersreport

    Rangers’ home game vs. Carolina on Oct. 17 has been moved to Oct. 16 at 7 p.m.

  270. Ehrhoff is going to get a pretty sizeable deal, I’d bet. Atleast on par w/ Stralman.

  271. Slat’s team last season gave him more than he could have ever imagined. Kudos to them. He lucked out.

  272. Only
    Friday night home game all season moved to Thursday to accommodate billy Joel.

  273. _Friday night home game all season moved to Thursday to accommodate billy Joel_

    I’m happy with this. My Friday watching odds are always a little lower than my mid-week watching odds.

  274. Rob in Beantown on

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
    NSH trying to deal Michael Del Zotto before 4 ET. If no deal, do they qualify at $2.9M or let him go UFA. Suspect it’s latter but not firm.

  275. Mcbain is a righty, gryba is a righty but I think the sens re-signed him, slewfoot Dan is a righty, engelland is a righty, mcilrath is a righty

  276. McBain is interesting, sort of, especially if he’s looking for a 1 year value deal. I’m willing to pretend last year in Buffalo never happened.

  277. Unthinkable to try to resign Pouliot too?? Let’s let every ufa we have walk away.

  278. *VAN will not be qualifying Jordan Schroeder or Zac Dalpe. Both go to UFA.*

    Schroeder feels like a total Sather kind of pickup.

  279. Stranger Nation on

    Current Line up

    RFA – $3.075 – $7.8
    $2.25 – TBD – $5.6
    UFA – RFA – RFA
    UFA – UFA – UFA

    $4.7 – $5.5
    $3.97 – UFA
    RFA – $2.9

    $8.5 – $.56

  280. Doodie Machetto on

    McBain is too much of a loose cannon. In this department, we do things by the book.

    Bye, book.

  281. London Broil on

    i meant Seguin didnt cut it with Boston, so they traded him & he succeeded with the Stars. same may be the case with Kreider. he may never be what we expect him to be, with us. With another team is a diff story.

  282. According to multiple sources, Mantha is an academic casualty. That’s why it didn’t matter who drafted him.
    Mantha was dropped from the program for grades.

  283. I don’t think Del Z would want to be paid in vacuums, besides he probably has one already.

  284. Well Parros went to Princeton so……don’t really care about Mantha’s grades.

  285. Rob in Beantown on

    Sather is playing 11-dimensional chess again. Trade Del Zaster for Klein, then during the offseason re-sign Del Zaster for half as much money as before. Genius

  286. Doodie Machetto on

    No, a vacuum is the location in which I would pay him. Preferably an industrial size one, because I don’t think we would fit into my Hoover.

  287. “because I don’t think we would fit into my Hoover.”

    Careful crawling into a vacuum with DelZ. That Rascal’s been Lonely Too Long.

  288. Doodie Machetto on

    Jeff Petry being floated by the Oilers after signing Nikitin to that terrible contract. Tyler Dellow’s head is exploding.

  289. :10 Minutes to trade Del Zaster

    @TSNBobMcKenzie

    NSH not qualifying Michael Del Zotto. Throw another log on the UFA fire.

  290. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, not necessarily. We still have another 4 years of Klein at 2.9. In another year or two, that could be 2.9 of dead space.

  291. London Broil on

    the trade of del zero was addition by subtraction, didnt matter who we got in return.

  292. bull dog line on

    AV was mean to MDZ. would not let him play his natural side. then had the nerve to expect MDZ to be a professional and adapt.

  293. Manny – it happens from time to time, more often when a player comes from another country, sometime they don’t make it through the NCAA clearing house.

    Adding the 3 players that were drafted this year, that puts the Sioux with 15 players drafted by the NHL playing for them this year. I’m not sure ANY junior program has that many NHL drafted players.

    Kristo did get a qualifying offer today, so maybe he earns a spot out of camp this year. It reads like there will be a few open spots to skate for.

  294. Absolutely no to DBoyle, wants a two year contract and a good amount of change. Even if we make it an incentive laden contract. The two results would be he doesn’t make his incentives which means he was a really bad signing that we’re stuck with for another year (over 35 contract) or more likely his incentives are so easy to reach that he makes them and then we’re in a really bad place in 2015 with most of the increase in cap being taken by Boyle’s incentives and Stepan, Staal, Hags, and St. Louis up for renewals. Boston gambled it all on Iginla’s contract last year and right now are looking at 1.8 million to sign at least 4 players for their squad. Can’t do it even at minimum salary so they’ve got to trade core players.

    It would be Rangers fire sale time in 2015.

  295. Scott burnside espn predicting stastny becomes a ranger.

    How and why. I don’t see that potentially with all our cap issues plus I don’t want him for 7.5 mil

  296. Doodie – Klein still has trade value, and I’m thinking now that he is playing for the Rangers, he will be noticed a lot more than in Nashville.

    I think he is a 2nd/3rd Dman, for 20 NHL teams. Sather knew he wasn’t give Del Zaster a raise for his performance, so he traded for the best DMan that fit this team.

    He’s our 4th best now, don’t you think. JMoops falls behind.

  297. So we sign Stastny and just call up most of Hartford. Let everyone walk and finish in LAST PLACE.

    Bad plan.

  298. The problem is both Pouliot and Stralman are very risky signings. What happens if they are both huge busts.

    Let’s not forget Stralman was acquired via a tryout and Pouliot was dreadful for the first what 30 games of the year and has had a career of mediocrity.

    I think Boyle and Moore much more important tbh and Richards being most of all…

  299. bull dog line on

    Stepan, Brassard, Stastny, and Moore down the middle. you don’t like that idea? I don’t get you guys.

  300. What Gravy said.

    Stastny is Richards 2.0. He’s a WIN NOW move, which is fine, except for the fact that we will never have enough room to sign other important pieces. So we have great Center depth and the bottom six is Fast, Kristo, Linberg, Hrvik and Miller. SHEESH

  301. And did I mention that your 3rd defensive pair is Allen-McLlrath with Klein moving up to play with Staal?

  302. If they sign Stastny, then they almost have to trade Brassard in order to dress NHL caliber wingers.

  303. @uptownhockey Uptown client Cory Conacher is now an unrestricted free agent that can sign with any #NHL club starting tomorrow at noon. @BuffaloSabres

    ********************

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  304. Only way Rangers can even wink at Stastny is by moving Nash’ contract and then we’d still be stuck with a cap busting contract for more years than Nash.

  305. I think Girardi is getting burned out late in the season from the minutes expected of him. McDonuts seems, for the most part, unperturbed.

  306. Rob in Beantown on

    _If they sign Stastny, then they almost have to trade Brassard in order to dress NHL caliber wingers._

    We did just make the SCF, but this is Sather, so of course he is going to blow up the team anyway.

    *Clean Slate, Grab It*

  307. Please no Stastny. “Best Center Available as UFA” =/= best we could get another way.

  308. Rob in Beantown on

    Sather will let the guys who got us to the SCF walk so he can sign other teams’ castoffs.

  309. bull dog line on

    Kreider, Hagelin, and Miller on the left.
    Nash, MSL, and Zucc on the right. where is the issue?

  310. Ben Blood hits the UFA market. Rangers might be able to grab a young D with some upside. He hits like a truck.

  311. bull dog line on

    also, with the cap not being as high as thought, some teams with patience are going to get some big bargains later in July.

  312. Doodie Machetto on

    If Stastny goes anywhere but Colorado, his number will start with a 7, maybe even an 8 if someone is that desperate (Calgary I’m looking at you).

  313. Gordie didn’t pick Miller in the first round anticipating an adequate third liner. Step Up, Kid!!!

  314. bull dog line on

    if those are the issues Doodie, they are not so bad off. you guys have talked about it all day, need young players to step up. well Connor Allen is a young player. Ryan Haggerty is a young player. Kristo, and Lindberg are young players.

  315. Doodie Machetto on

    6 million between them, conservatively 7 for Stasny (only legit center on the market), figure 4 plus for Brassard. That leaves approximately 6 million to fill out your entire 4th line and 3rd d pairing.

    And that’s being conservative, I think, on all of the four players I mentioned. I think Kreider-MZA more likely runs you to 6.5 between them, Brassard is closer to 4.5, and Stastny is closer to 7.5. So that’s 4.5 for 5 players, one of whom (Moore) will be back at at least 850k (qualifying offer).

  316. I ran the numbers through capgeek, and I ran out of money before I could get to spare forwards or defenseman. Plus, I had a third pair of Diaz and Allen, and a 4th line of Carcillo, Moore, and Fast.

  317. _AV was mean to MDZ. would not let him play his natural side. then had the nerve to expect MDZ to be a professional and adapt._

    Love this logic. Just “be a professional” and do a job you’re not capable of doing.

  318. Aneirin- if D. Boyle wants 2-year contract, it won’t work anyway. Deferred bonuses are only allowed on 35+ one year contracts. Also one year contract with veteran who played at least 400 NHL games and was injured in prior season. So

  319. bull dog line on

    there you go, you finally said it. not capable of doing the job. see how easy that was to admit.

  320. bull dog line on

    his partner did not whine about it. he handled it like a pro, and did the best he could.

  321. Coos – I just want the see the Signs “There will be *BLOOD* on the ice tonight!”

  322. _there you go, you finally said it. not capable of doing the job. see how easy that was to admit._

    Are you going to make me go back to when MDZ was a Ranger and show where I was saying that same thing? MDZ couldn’t flip sides. That wasn’t hidden.

  323. Czechthemout!!! on

    Stastny is an excellent all around center that can kill penalties, pass very well, score 20+ goals and 40+ assists. He is also very good on faceoffs. If we can get him for 6 per season for 5 years than its a no brainer. There is nothing in the system clise to him and our window is no more than 3 more season given Hanks age.

    Anything more than 3-3.5 for Stralman means he would be be grossly overpaid!

    Brassard will have to accept his qualyfying offer and Zucc will have to accept 2.5-3.0 million per over 3-4 years.

    Devin Setagouci maybe a cheap reclamation project to replace Poo Poo.

    THE will have to accept a slight raise for this year and so will J Moore.

    They also have Skjei after his college season ends and they have Haggarty, JT Miller, Oscar Lindberg , Anthony Duclair maybe depending on training camp ( Jeff Gorton’s words, not mine).

  324. I like how Stasney plays, what salary would you sign him for that would fit. Maybe we will get lucky and he signs a contract like Richards….. remember he left “money on the table” that year. He could have gotten more in Calgary.

  325. You can’t get Stastny for that kind of money. That’s the issue. He will be our highest paid player along with Hank if he ends up here.

  326. bull dog line on

    MDZ was not doing the job on either side. two organizations determined that. don’t know what it is you see in him.

  327. Sign Stastny, play a line of youngbloods. You might be surprised with Fast-Lingberg-Kristo, lots of speed that can score.

  328. _MDZ was not doing the job on either side. two organizations determined that. don’t know what it is you see in him._

    I think its the same thing that has happened to tons of players; they’re analyzed against their draft slot for far too long and coming up short of draft is an abject failure versus a lessening of role. In this case, with Nashville, it makes sense. If you don’t like MDZ’s production or projection, you wouldn’t want to tender off a 1st round pick’s contract. If he goes unsigned, by all means tell me you’re right and he’s not an NHL quality D.

  329. London Broil on

    I feel bad for that Liam, disabled Rangers fan child, that has del zero as a favorite player. I wish he’d have chosen a better player.

  330. bull dog line on

    there is no doubt that someone will give MDZ another shot, and probably another team after that. question is what he does with it. he has to play the left side. he is an average skater. immature. and very little instinct. if the light goes on, you have a 5 or 6 who can play the power play. if not, he is out of the league in 3 or 4 years.

  331. Group effort if necessary, but I’d like to know the verified “MDZ is immature” stories.

  332. I do not think stastny is secretariat 2.0 (unless you are referring to $$$$ only), but you do have to move brassard “or” Stepan IMHO if you sign him to get decent depth on the roster.

  333. Admiral Akbar on

    You know, watching these teams lose important players due to the salary cap is just sickening. NHL offseasons are becoming a musical-chairs kind of joke.

    What a great game on the ice, but off the ice, an utter joke.

  334. Del Zotto had as much promise as any offensive D-man prospect as I can remember. After his rookie year, many of us thought he could become a special player. He possessed loads of talent and a healthy cockiness for his age.

    The sophomore slump was looked at as a bad year for him. But, in reality that was really a bad year for everyone and for MDZ, he was only 19 going on 20.

    In 2012, he had a fantastic year, showing he can defend and play a mean physical game and also be an offensive force. He looked like a better all-around D-man than we thought he could be.

    It seems in 2013, it seems that a little success from the prior spring accelerated his immaturity AND HE DIDN’T COME INTO CAMP IN SHAPE. He soon lost all confidence and cockiness and forgot who he was. Torts getting fired certainly didn’t help things. So, the player we used to know as MDZ, basically was gone way before he was traded…

    It’s a damn shame whenever you trade #1 draft pick who showed so much promise.

    I am hopeful he figures it out and is able to at least resume his career at this point.

  335. Interesting (to me) to note that only 23 of 143 qualified defensemen had a worse FF% than Del Zotto last year. Girardi was one. Klein was another.

  336. If it’s between D Boyle and Stralsie, I sign the one who’s cap hit is lower!!

  337. You know how Aladdin does the magic carpet ride?

    That is apparently the bad behavior Don Maloney was talking aboot.

  338. ThisYearsModel--If ya ain't first, yer last on

    What a boring free agent session this year. All we will be able to follow is who we lose.

  339. I don’t see how they fit Stastny and his contract into their this year. That’s about the only negative I see in signing him.

  340. Ribeiro ? man I hope not. I loved playing against him, always took a shin pad seeking shot with the caps. A non threat. Oh, I get it, he’ll fit right in.

  341. The question is what do the Rangers do to replace the guys we will inevitably lose?

    Since we don’t have the farm system we did a few years, there aren’t many internal options. Is there someone out there who can be signed for 2 years 6 million that can replace Pouliot/Stralman and their inevitably overpay by a desperate team?

    Can we trade Nash and get young talent?

  342. We were forced to trade Gaborik when the genius GM figured out we had no depth in the lineup (among other problems).

    Why should it be any different this time? By the way, is there any truth to the rumor on CapGeek that Nash’s No-Move is now invalid since he already used those powers in Columbus. There is talk that his NMC on that contract is now obsolete and Rangers can do whatever they want.

  343. ThisYearsModel--If ya ain't first, yer last on

    Nash to Toronto. All Canadian boys want to play in Toronto.

  344. 2 more cents from PB.

    So, several teams gave up on Stralman? I guess it turned out to be a good thing for the Rangers, right? Is that why and it’s been stated here so often the last two years? (S). The journeyman DMAN by the name of Strallman happened to be our 2nd most consistent playoff Blueliner (arguably our 1st if you factor in McD’s horrendous first 11 playoff games).

    And the fact that Stralman is “no McDonough” …….does that translate into the team shouldn’t make room for him on the blue line? When McDonuogh hits UFA, he’ll get his share and more, just like Stralman will this year. I say, trade Klein and there will be plenty of dough to sign Stralmann, our most consistent playoff DMAN.

    And if we are going to talk about “bang for the buck” and proper placement within the salary / cap structure of the team, shouldn’t the conversation basically start and end it with The Good Nash and his grossly inflated $7.8M? No sane hockey mind, ( except perhaps Bob Gainey?) or insane fan can argue that Nash isn’t a living, breathing, effortless Cap Buster!

    Finally, I heard here all weekend what a “crap shoot” the amateur draft turns out to be. So, who cares whether a player was a high draft pick or a amateur FA signing? Ultimately, neither has much of a bearing on his subsequent performance, level of contribution and value to his team. Being a high draft probably will result in more opportunity to break in, but for the successful organizations, doesn’t it always come down to performance and what happens on the ice? DelZotto is a great example of the old saying in sports, “it’s not where you start, it’s how you perform in getting to the finish.”

  345. ilb, FWIW, CapGeek says “subsequent trade may have voided clause” meaning since he was traded, he can’t invoke it anymore.

  346. NATW wanting mcdonut $$$$ and term….good luck! I hope he gets it…on another team!!

  347. I know, NYR_FAN. The rule is such that if the clause didn’t kick in yet ( in his case NTC starts in 2015-16 season), it’ll may be voided if he is traded again. Unless the team he goes to decides to honor it the way NY did

  348. Forget “it’ll”, but you get the point. Similar happened to Carter and M. Richards. They both had NMC/NTC clauses in their contracts with Philadelphia, those couldn’t kick in until they reached an UFA age. When they were traded, both lost their clauses. Kings picked Richards’ up, Columbus didn’t for Carter.

  349. Strange,

    Believe it or not, Norris isn’t even in my top 5 favorite Ranger players.

    Btw, if you’re interested, neither is Nash.

  350. Wick serious question…..

    Contracts aside, if you were putting next years team together and had a chance to choose from among Stralman, Klein, Girardi or McIlRath for your top 3 RH Dmen, what would your order of preference be?

  351. word out there is that Stralman is probably looking at $4.5-5 million on a long term deal although who knows what long term means.

    Have to say, if I’m Sather, I am trying to avoid giving out deals like that unless it is to McDonagh, Lundqvist, Girardi, Staal, Stepan, Kreider, Zuccarello, or Brassard.

    I don’t know, Stralman was very solid for us this year, I get that, but he is exactly the kind of guy that gets way overpaid as a result of it.

    So what do you do? Dan Boyle replaces Richards leadership, QBs the PP, can play D, and likely only gets 2 years at $5 million. Shorter commitment. Keeps Klein on third pair with Moore where they belong and Moore is only getting better.

    I don’t think I’d try to pay Niskanen $6 million long term because again I don’t like the long term deals, although if you;’re thinking of paying Stralman $5 million, might be worth it for a guy with some offensive upside.

    Would hope they do whatever they can to keep Moore and wouldn’t mind it if they kept Boyle. Anyone who’s planning to pay Boyle $3 million for long term really only watched the playoffs. I have no problem with another cheap reclamation project in Pouliots spot, I think his numbers here were his numbers everywhere every year and whatever his problems have been they are just as likely to resurface again here as anywhere else. You guys don’t think Heatley or setoguchi with something to prove would light it up out there with Zucc and Brass? I do.

    Don’t think there is any way to afford Stastny but people way underestimate the kind of depth they’d have down the middle with Step/Stastny/Brass/Moore.

  352. Peter,

    Dan Boyle is the wrong Boyle. Over aged, over the hill, worn down, recently concussed offensive DMAN at $5M for 2 years? Too much risk.

    How bout if we can find instead a 27 year old, entering his prime, Top 4, SCF DMAN who can play 20 plus minutes a night, kill penalties, and has been on the upside of the learning curve for the last 3 years at 4.5 for 4-5 years? I like that risk better.

  353. Ryan White and Cory Conacher… Both players to consider. Ryan White is awesome and underrated. He skates very well and leaves everything on the ice. He’s a more skilled Derek Dorsett.

  354. Let’s all hope the 30 year old Girardi we saw in the SCFs wasn’t a peek at the next 5 years of GMan for $5.5M per.

  355. Interesting how most
    wont bat an eyelash at paying the 30 year old Girardi,
    – A.K.A. by the La Kings as “Mr. Burnt Toast” – $5.5 for the next 5 years (significantly more than McDonough dollars)
    but won’t as much consider
    the 27 year old Strallman for a mere $4M per for 5 years.
    Interesting.

  356. Orr, Girardi > Stralman? So far, yes. but……..

    I don’t agree he was better during the playoffs this year, especially the SCFs.

    And I doubt he’s $1.5M better over the course of a season.

    And I’ll caution, let’s see how it plays out over the course of the next 5 years.

  357. I’d pay Stralsie, always liked him. If he doesn’t stay because we can’t afford him, you can thank your boy, #61.

  358. Stralman had a good season. Good playoffs. Can he be play at that level for the next faw or five years? I have a hard time thinking so. You know what you’re getting with Girardi. He was brutal in the SCF, but that doesn’t mean that’s the player we’re getting for the next five years. I still believe in the guy.

  359. Papa
    I will then pick girardi, Klein, mcilrath in that order because (and I have said this all along), our D is too vanilla and Stralman adds to the vanilla.

    It’s needs grit and bang

  360. Stranger Nation on

    Papa – I definitely respect your eye for talent. Agree that Girardi was worn down and very much hoping it was not a sneak preview. Cannot understand why they wouldnt have Norris on PP over him.

    Slats probably could have locked Norris up for 3.5 for 3 at the beginning of the season, but waited, as he usually does and now he probably priced/played himself off the team. Staal decision factors in as well. If they reup him, we will have 3 D making $5M+ per year. Cant afford $20M+ top 4 along with a $8.5M goalie (to say nothing about Mr softee, their new Defensive specialist @ $7.8M)

    Scouts have been pretty good with reclamation projects with the likes of Pullout, Norris, D Moops and probably feel they can catch lightning in a bottle again on the cheap.

  361. Orr,

    Just wondering, what makes you think Stralman, who has improved steadily and by leaps and bounds since he arrived, won’t be able to play at the level he played at this season going forward?

    Is it just a gut feeling that he’ll go Nash-like on us when he gets the bread or is it based on something tangible which you see that I am missing?

  362. Wick,

    I’d go Giradi, Stralman and Klein, the same 3 that took us to the SCFs.

    I haven’t seen enough of McILrath’s play to take him over the other three. In fact, what I have seen leaves me with serious concerns about his ability to be a legit DMAN for a contending NHL team.

  363. It took Sather nearly 15 years to get this franchise to the Conference Finals. Now, he is forced rip apart the team that gave him his best shot at a Cup as GM.

    Well, at least he drafted 2 goalies late in the draft. That should help us in the short run. (s)

    I feel like the Rangers are missing so many important pieces right now and they can’t address them…they are going to be a day late and a dollar short at any attempt to improve the team by tomorrow night.

  364. Papa
    I like a balanced D corps, 2 rough and tumble physical guys, 2 guys that are good offencively, 2 guys that are solid all around but not exceptional at any thing (vanilla if you will).

    If a guy is rough and tumble and has some offencive game as well, then added bonus IMHO

  365. Papa
    You only gave me the current ranger possibilities to choose from. I quite honestly am not sure about mcilrath either, but he is the only rough customer D guy we have in the system, so I pick him over another vanilla.

    I would be more than satisfied with mcquaid or engelland instead of him given that option.

  366. Strange,

    i think you’re right about the success of this year bringing with it an arrogance of the scouts thinking they’ll find more lightning in a bottle in retreads. But I really have no interest in Devil retreads like Fayne and Carter. But, unfortunately I have this sick feeling in my gut that they are on the way.

    And I hope we aren’t all in agreement 3 years from now that Sather locked up the wrong DMAN in Girardi over Stralman.

  367. Papa
    I guess in the end I am less set on a certain player as I am on a certain style of player.

    You are all about Stralman Stralman Stralman, I just want a certain kind of player. I could care less if his name is mcilrath, mcquaid, buekeboom, bieksa, engelland, chara, etc

  368. Wick,

    I honestly thought Stralman was the teams best and most consistent RH DMAN during the playoffs. That’s what I’m all about. I think when you make it to the finals, strong consideration should be given to retaining the players who helped lead the way. It would certainly be interesting to hear Lundquists opinion on the matter.

    You’ve been anti-Stralman for so long, I not surprised and never expected him (even given the parameters of removing contract from consideration) that he would make your list.

  369. Papa
    I picked Klein and girardi over Stralman because they are more physical.

    If you said pick 3 RH d men out of Stralman, Dan Boyle, robidas, and girardi, I guarantee you Stralman is in the 3 I pick.

    Again, it isn’t anti Stralman, it’s anti vanilla D men.

    I use Stralman as an “journeyman D man” reference a lot because of the people here that bag on Pouliot as a “journeyman”. Stralman has been on one less team than Pouliot, but that never gets mentioned. So if Pouliot is a journeyman, so is Stralman.

    They’ve both been on about 10 less teams than uber journeyman d Moops, but no one mentions that either.

  370. I would like John Moore to stay honestly, atleast 1 more year to see where his development goes and he has tons of speed.

    Worst case Mclrath or Conner could roate with him

  371. And I’m not disagreeing with you on your assessment of stralmans play in the playoffs either.

  372. Want to thank Pouliot for his 15 goals last year. On the other hand I will not at all miss his dumb and outrageous offensive zone penalties which he took regularly throughout last season. Surely, somebody in the system must be capable of getting at least 15 goals, outside of Rick Nash, right Papa Bear? If there was only some way to unload him.

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