Stanley Cup Final off-day transcripts: Alain Vigneault, Henrik Lundqvist


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Click here to see Josh Thomson’s story about Game 3.

From the NHL/ASAP Sports:

Alain Vigneault


THE MODERATOR:  Questions for Coach Vigneault.

Q.  You said you’d take the night to think about what to say to your team.  Do you have something in mind now?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  You know, all the talk that we can have around trying to spin this any way you want, 29 other teams would like to be in our spot.  You know, we’ve played well.  Just need bounces.
Whatever talk you might use, at the end of the day for us right now it’s about one game.  That’s as simple and logical and realistic as I can put it for you.  We have to focus on one game and that’s what we’re going to do.

Q.  Was that the same message in Pittsburgh when you were down 1?3?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  At that time we were going through a different situation, so…

Q.  You’ve had such a long, inspired run in the playoffs.  How much of a sense is there that it doesn’t deserve to be clouded by losing tomorrow night, that you deserve a victory?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  Sorry, I don’t understand.

Q.  I guess what I’m saying is, if you guys were not to win tomorrow night, it might cast a pall over your playoff run that it doesn’t deserve.
COACH VIGNEAULT:  I’m going to let you decide that for yourself.
From my standpoint, like I just said a few seconds ago, however we might want to look at this, we could be up by two games to one instead of being down by three, et cetera.  It doesn’t matter.
Our concentration, our preparation is going to tomorrow night’s game.  If we want to continue to play, we have to win.

Q.  In 2012 with Vancouver, you were down in a similar situation against L.A.  How different is this team compared to what you saw a couple years ago?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  It’s not very different.  The core players are basically the same.  The performers, the high?end performers, are basically the same.
It’s a team that’s well?built, that is tough to play against.  They find ways to win and they’ve certainly done that so far.

Q.  What have you seen in the past couple hours or since last night’s loss that gives you a sense that there is still belief in this room?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  I know my players and I know the values that they have, their competitive nature.  Again, everybody’s going to come out and say all the right things, et cetera, et cetera.  All that, like I mentioned, is just talk.
What needs to happen is the actions on the ice.  I like the way we’ve played.  I mean, we’ve played some good hockey, but we haven’t found a way to win.  That’s what we got to do tomorrow.

Q.  Obviously you are focusing on one game, but are you allowing the team to think about what can happen if you do win?  Are you allowing them to think that one step farther?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  No.  Going to focus on tomorrow.  One game.

Q.  What can you change or do differently tomorrow night?
I mean, their goaltender made some key saves at the right time.  Just like we’ve seen Hank do so many times to the opposition on the road, their goaltender did it to us yesterday.
Are there things we could do better around their net?  I thought as far as net presence and getting to second opportunities, we did a good job.  He was just able to stop them.  I think if it would have gone on for three, four more periods, he was in that zone last night.
We’re going to show our guys a couple things here.  Coaches met this morning.  Maybe we can do them a little bit better.  And hopefully he won’t be as good as he was last night.

Q.  Are there parallels to what you did against Pittsburgh or is this a completely different animal because of who the Kings are?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  Two different teams.  But to some extent?? not to some extent.  We’re facing the same exact situation we were against Pittsburgh:  we lose, we’re done.  If we don’t want to be done, we got to win.

Q.  You have been upbeat throughout this series.  What is the psyche of this group right now?
COACH VIGNEAULT:  We’re down 3?0.  We’re all lacking sleep.  This is tough.
I didn’t expect my players today to be cheery and upbeat.  We’re in the Stanley Cup Final and we’re down 3?0.  You don’t get a lot of these opportunities.
Excuse us if today we’re not real cheery.  But tomorrow I can tell you we’re going to show up.

FastScripts Transcript by ASAP Sports


Henrik Lundqvist


Q.  Last night, how did things change for the Kings and their approach after the first deflected goal?  Sitting here today, how important do you feel the first goal will be psychologically for each team tomorrow?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Well, first obviously when they score that goal in the last second of the first period, it was tough pill to swallow.
But it felt like we came out in the second and really tried to take over the game and we created a lot of chances.  He made a lot of good saves, kept us from coming back into that game.
Moving forward, obviously when you play games where everything is on the line, you’re always looking to get a good start, you’re always looking to build confidence.  A goal always gives you confidence.
So, you know, going out tomorrow, we have to leave everything out there.  Getting a good start will be part of it, obviously.

Q.  The Kings went through the same situation earlier in the series, down 3?0 as well.  They know a little bit what you are going through.  Do you feel you have the perfect example in front of you because they went through that situation?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Yeah, I think both teams know it’s possible to turn this around.  They’ve done it, and we know we can do it.  It’s not like we’ve been outplayed here, that’s not been the case.
They’ve been good, but I think we’ve been playing pretty good, as well.  It comes down to a couple plays here and there.  That’s been the difference in these games.
But it starts with your belief and it starts with how you approach this game and the games after that.
But they know it’s possible and we know it’s possible.

Q.  How do you think you’ve done in this series overall, your play?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  I feel like I’ve been playing my game.  I’ve been feeling pretty good.  But in the end, you know, giving up three or more goals, it’s going to be tough to win.
But when I’m analyzing the game yesterday, if I can play that scenario one more time, I would react the same way.  Two deflections where I’m going for the puck, and it changed.  Then on the third one, just a bang?bang play on the two?on?one.
I’m trying to be careful when I’m analyzing my game because I would say 70% of the goals been deflected from our guys or their guys.  But it’s part of the game.  That’s how teams score now.
But I feel like I’m in position.  I feel like I’m tracking the puck pretty good.  But it hasn’t been enough, so I’m going to try to raise my level and try to help the team here to get the first one tomorrow.

Q.  It seems like the team has been kind of down today.  Is there any reason you wanted to practice?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Well, we got the option to go out today or tomorrow.  I felt like today was better to go out there and get a good skate, then maybe rest tomorrow morning.  I’ve done that a lot in the past just to save energy, I guess.

Q.  Can you gauge the feel of the room then, what mood guys are in?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Well, it was a tough day today.  It was a tough night last night.
You have to move on.  You understand how serious the situation is and how tough it is for us to try to turn this around.  But now we’re only looking at tomorrow and trying to win that game.  That’s what we’re going to try to accomplish.  Then you take it from there.
But our mindset right now is just to have a really strong game tomorrow and get our first win.

Q.  Yesterday you talked about the Kings have a lot of puck luck in Game3, maybe even throughout the series.  Is that something you still believe, there’s been more puck luck for them?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Well, you earn it.  You always say you earn your luck by working hard and making good decisions.
I don’t know.  I look at the goals obviously yesterday, and it’s some skill, yeah, but there’s some luck, too.
Again, I’m not going to take anything away from them.  They’ve been playing well.  They’re a really good team.  They’re the best team we played so far.  If we don’t play our absolute best, we’re not going to beat them.
You know, we going to have to play really well and we going to have to rely on some luck, as well, in some situations.  That’s just the way it goes.  That’s the way the game is played.

Q.  Is your mindset that you need to have a shutout for your team to win?  If so, how difficult is it to play like that for you?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  No, I don’t feel like that.  But I know I have to play really well for us to win.
But I think when you go out tomorrow, you don’t think about the end result.  (You don’t think) I need to give up one or less.  I need to think about the process.  That’s stopping the next shot.  What do you need to do to stay focused the right way?  That’s the kind of mindset I have going into the games.
Yeah, you’re not changing too much.  Even though everything is on the line tomorrow, I think our approach will be similar to what we had so far in this series.
There’s a few things we can do a little bit better, that I can do a little bit better.  I do believe we can turn this around.  I do.  Because we’ve been that close in every game.
But like I said, they’re a really good team and they’re not going to hand us anything.  We have to go out and earn it and, yeah, play a really strong game.

Q.  Ricci talking about being a little downcast, AV said you were less than cheery today, understandably.  Is there an anger as part of the emotion in the room?  Is anger necessary at this point to maybe kick start you guys?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Yeah, I think you feel a lot of different emotions right now, and anger is probably one of them.  I think it’s important that you don’t feel sorry for yourself.
But, you know, you’re disappointed and upset you’re in this position.  But at the same time you have to accept it and move on and get ready for the next game.  But today, yeah, it’s not a happy, happy room, obviously.
We worked really hard and long to get here.  Again, we’re playing a really good team.  They take advantage of mistakes.  They play extremely well defensively, I think.
We still believe that we can do it.  We have to start by just focusing on the first period tomorrow.

Q.  Quick was so good last night.  Do you want to get drawn into making it a one?on?one type battle?  How do you feel about that when you feel a goalie shine like that?
HENRIK LUNDQVIST:  Yeah, he made some unreal saves last night.  I think for us to beat them, obviously, like I said, I have to play well.  But in the first two games we’re right there scoring goals.  I think the big thing is to have a lot of traffic and get in front.
I think L.A., they’re really good.  They have one or two guys going to net all the time.  I think we did it really well in L.A.  Come in front, get to loose pucks.  That’s something we are going to have to try to do tomorrow, as well to make it a little tougher for him.
But he’s a really good goalie.  I’m going to need my best tomorrow to try to match that.
Thank you.

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  1. Manny, you and I are going to have an exit meeting to discuss your *new post* responsibilities and how you’d better come next season better prepared.

  2. Carp, reading between the lines a little here, but is there a recapture penalty on Manny’s impending buyout?

  3. Re: Orr’s comment at 2:04 last thread. It is hard for me to believe that Richards said that. Wonder what his pal, MSL, thinks of that comment? You know, the one who could not wait to play for the Rangers?
    If that comment by Richards is accurate, he deserves to be scratched for Game 4. If that is the demeanor in the Rangers
    locker room, they are doomed.
    If Richards had 10% of Zuccarello’s heart………

  4. What do you guys think about picking up Boyle? Old yea, but he could help the team.

  5. Lundqvist said today he must raise his level. I assume what he meant to say was he needs to be luckier.

  6. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Why isn’t Norm on the Rangers’ coaching staff? There isn’t a better mind -under- on this earth.

  7. Manny has a full-no move clause, Booby. But we can make life miserable for him if he doesn’t perform.

  8. Eddie,

    About 75% of the people here are saying the exact same things. The difference is that he’s just more blatantly stupid about it.

  9. I do give credit to all these players who graciously subject themselves to so many inane questions.

  10. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Norm – “Lloyd stop being trite. You suffer from myopia. You labor over (sic) many misconceptions. You must have listened to the game on radio. I have ivy league professors visiting my house. Who visits you? Quick isn’t good. He’s lucky. Do you even know what that means? Do you want the Latin translation? Do you want me to sing it to you in 3 part harmony?”

  11. the problem with playoff teams who sit around waiting for “bounces” is they’re inevitably bounced out of the postseason

    may want to start creating your own “luck” rather than awaiting miracles, boys.

    miracles, like Rick Nash scoring or Brad Richards looking like he’s played hockey before.

  12. I have an ex-Ivy League professor living in my house. I get along with myself so well I can hardly believe it.

  13. 29 teams were looking for luck. One was trying real hard. This is their story …

  14. Boyle’s going to want multiple years and a lot of money at, what, 38, 39. I don’t think so, glitch. Could probably help next year, but it would be a bad signing, IMO.

  15. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Norm – “Lloyd, you are a moron. Richards is very good. He’s just unlucky. Do you know what that means? Hang on a sec, my cell phone is ringing….It is an ivy league professor calling me – it’s important – the reason it’s important is because I’m important. You want that translated into Latin?”

  16. Stranger Nation on

    “I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it.”
    – TJ

  17. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ricardo – no worries. But I’d have Norm translate your last post into Latin as soon as he’s finished his ivy league phone call..

    Hashtag arrogant blowhards

  18. the problem with all of you simple folks who look for luck is that it boils down to the worst kind of sore loser logic.

    “we didn’t lose – the other team was just lucky!”

    but wait didn’t you just lose 4 games straight?

    “see what I mean? they had all the luck for 25 straight games!”

    maybe tomorrow night you so-called fans should say a rosary every time Henrik Lundqvist’s name is mentioned. think of it as a drinking game for people who believe in the work of invisible men.

  19. Why hasn’t AV switched these lines up at all? Not drastically, just a couple in game tweeks, like after a power play when the lines have to be tinkered. I saw some really good chances when this happend in games 1 and 2. I want to see Nash and MSL togather and THE and Hags together. Could be magic. 5-0 Rangers win tomorrow.

  20. I’m with Lloyd. If you believe luck is a factor, you obviously think luck is the only factor all the time.

  21. Line switching I’d be happy with …

    1st: Zucc – Brassard – Pouliot

    2nd line: Kreider – Brassard – Hagelin

    3rd line: Pouliot – Brassard – Zucc

    4th line: Boyle – Moore – Dorsett

  22. that’s an example of what you, in the depths of your ignorance, would consider an ad-hominem

  23. coos, if you’re interested, my wife found a deal on tampons today. would be happy to pass along a link.

  24. Torts used to get irate when someone questioned his coaching abilities by saying he never played a day in the NHL. Can’t blame him for that.

  25. Carp, I think we should probably ask posters to not use “you’re being a girl” varieties as an insult. Its closed-minded, archaic thinking and a disservice to the female posters we have here.

  26. Carp, no offense, but I’ve had plenty of much worse said to me and not a word from you asking people to stop. I have no problem being nicer but would like a level playing field.

  27. _Boyler would never sign for one year unless it was at 12 mil_

    You wonder if deals like this might pop up with the cap bump what it is. Not quite as extreme as Dan Boyle for $12MM, but giving a guy 50% of what he could get for 3 years to rent for 1 year.

  28. Lloyd, I asked everybody to be nicer … everybody … just a little while ago. Then I saw the tampon comment. I’m not singling anybody out. i just want guys to discuss stuff without getting personal.

  29. Rumor is that Stastny might want to come to the Rangers. I don’t know much about him, I only heard the rumor. Just thought I’d throw my two cents in and not lurk anymore.

  30. alright, fair enough. just get tired of coos and a couple of others who are incapable of doing anything but taking childish shots at me. but sorry for what I said earlier.

  31. and god the idea of giving a multi-year, expensive contract to a declining, 38-year old Dan Boyle should have every Rangers fan gasping like Brad Richards after a faceoff.

  32. “…I just get tired of coos and a couple of others who are incapable of…”

    Even an apology is front-loaded with dismissal.

  33. Yes stastny and sather do like each other according to rumors. Question is

    Does sather love him enough to outbid 7-8 teams

    I for one would pass. Another undersized center.

  34. I don’t know about undersized, Eric. Everyone is losing their minds over the Kings size and Stastny is basically Brown’s size with a lot more talent. Tiny bit bigger than Richards and tiny bit smaller than Stoll.

  35. Honestly, I like Stasnty, but these big contracts have not worked out well for NYR.

    1) Drury
    2) Gomez
    3) Richards

    0 for tree.

    If Stastny was smart he’d take whatever offer the Avs give him, because that team is winning a Cup within the next tree/faw years, maybe sooner.

  36. purely from a personnel standpoint, if you can abide Derek Stepan as a number 2 center, you can absolutely abide Paul Stastny. now whether he’ll get some massive contract does make a little less appealing but you’re looking at a team next year without, hopefully, Brad Richards, and Stepan as the only other active center who’ll definitely be back.

  37. If AV’s next chess move is substituting Carcillo for Dorsett, he’s lost my confidence.

  38. Bigger than that, Carp. Stastny at 7 years, $5.25MM would have half the teams in the league signing.

  39. Stranger Nation on

    _Rumor is that Stastny might want to come to the Rangers_

    The last three that “wanted to come to the Rangers”:
    St. Louis, Nash, Richards

  40. Right, Coos. I think more than actual bigness among their forwards is a lack of true smallness (Richards smallest) and no one shrinks.

  41. I’m really sorry, Carp. I have been really sub-par this season. Please don’t *buy me out*

  42. Stastny should be on their top list, IMO. Upgrade at center to everything they have, but the question is is it enough of an upgrade? The other problem is, when it’s all said and done, they may have invested $16-$17M on top 3 centers without having one who can really dominate at that position.

  43. numbers-wise Stastny is only a few points better than Stepan but he’s considerably better on faceoffs and the power play and has a bit of grit to his game. given that this team may be nearly devoid of centers in a matter of weeks, I think he could be worth paying.

  44. Rob in Beantown on

    I’m still excited for a full season of St. Louis next year. We gave up a lot to get him, probably too much, but I’m not running the guy out of town. Hopefully he has a few more years left in the tank and can retire with the Rangers.

  45. I do not think Lloyd is a moron. I think his arguments, such as they are, are foolish. And I’m very curious to know how Ivy League profs got into my house. Where did that one come from?

  46. and I mean worth paying even with the astronomical contract he’ll get. apart from how much we’ll all complain about it if he Brad Richards up the joint, the Rangers will have plenty of money to spend.

  47. I’m with you in that one, Lloyd. The options are limited, and will not get better in years to come. Teams lock up their top players. There wouldn’t even be a discussion about Stastny if Colorado didn’t have Duchenne, MacKinnon, and O’Reilly ( who’s playing wing at the moment). The last 2 will have to be paid.

  48. Stastny and Richards are *everything* alike in that they will have *long* and *bloated* contracts and we will have them after a few short seasons.

  49. Stranger Nation on

    _they may have invested $16-$17M on top 3 centers without having one who can really dominate at that position_

    As we have said, poor drafting leads to overpaying for prime position. Think starting pitching in baseball. The good news is we can have three really good #2 centers.

    Steps numbers will drop if Stastny comes aboard.

    But no *offseason* talk please!

  50. that’s the real issue, ilb. you have to act with some urgency because there’s a limited window to go after players like Stastny. you miss the boat now and you’re going after him when he’s 34. that the Rangers are looking at roster where only Derek Stepan will definitely be on the team should add to that urgency.

  51. Even if, worst case, Stastny is Richards 2.0, its still the 2nd best option behind “neither” and “keep Richards”.

  52. … behind “neither” and *AHEAD OF* “keep Richards” …

    Talk about missing some key words.

  53. There is only *one* Center out there that I would like and his name is *Pavelski* and he’s as unavailable as the other unattainable ones.

  54. Lloyd, I’m pretty sure they will qualify Brassard, if not attempt to lick him up long term. So Stepan isn’t the only one staying.

  55. Sioux says Sioux Captain in 7 on

    Stasny sure stirred the drink in Denver.

    He hits, wins faceoffs, & *SCORES*.

    Sign him!!!

  56. We’ve established a short window, Manny. Overpaying Stastny makes us a better team than going with Step-Brassard-Miller-Moore down the middle, right?

  57. Stepan
    Dom Moore


    I’m fine with that down the middle.

  58. ilb said, ‘lick him up long term.’ Another example of this blog’s deterioration of decorum.

  59. So if we are trying to win in the next 3 seasons you guys think Stastny gives us the best option to do that?

  60. Stepan
    Dom Moore

    If that’s the best they can come up with after shedding Brad Richards, eek

  61. Best *available* option, yes. I don’t know who else would be in that equation.

  62. There is no team in the NHL that can go toe-to-toe with the Kings down the middle. The Penguins might be the closest and they are miles behind on Center depth.

    Does this put us above the Penguins?

    D. Moore

  63. Stranger Nation on

    No offseason talk please, but they should
    kill Richards
    Trade Stall, Nash & Step
    Sign Stastny, Ott, Vrbata
    Resign THE, Broshard, Zucc, DMoops, BBoyle, Stralman

    THE – Stast – St. Luois
    Zucc – Bros – Vrbata
    Miller – Ott – Fast
    Boyle – Moops – Dorsett

  64. Actually…that does look pretty good. Especially when you have Lindberg, JT Miller and Powe in the AHL.

  65. Chicago may have something to say about it, Manny. Ditto Avalanche. That MacKinnon kid is already dominant, add Duchenne and O’Reilly

  66. Radim Vrbata is a guy that can get around the net and finish. Good call, Stranger. And he’s Czech so he’s Jagr 2.0

  67. If Boyler’s still here, the 4th line is set. Brass and Step aren’t going anywhere. We need a primo center and let’s have at it.

  68. ilb: I really don’t think the Hawk’s center depth is in the same league as the Kings. Toews very well may be the “1a” best player on the planet but their depth is not like the Kings.

  69. I know, Mister … I am saying, for examples of over-paying for too-long contracts, see Clarkson and Clowe … I think Stastny’s dollar figure will blow those away.

    Not saying they shouldn’t or won’t do it, because frankly I haven’t seen nearly enough of Stastny … but, yes, I think he’s probably a lot better than Richards and somewhat better than Stepan.

  70. Fire Manny, Carp. Even though I havent been posting much I have had my finger on the pulse of this blog and it needs someone with *fresh* notification skills.
    Maybe that nice guy from the Vancouver blog. Much more *metal*

  71. The Kings have Kopitar and Carter, who are great, but then a real solid 4th (Stoll) and their own future buyout named Richards.

  72. Very depressing to think of the coming Nash years…nevermind the crappy postseasons, his goal production in the regular season will only decrease. Another year or so and he’ll be a 15 to 20 goal scorer at best, and even more reluctant to engage physically.

  73. I don’t think this team needs Stastny. Just a respectable two way center that has some speed and preferably some size who can win face offs play both ends of the ice and fit between St Louis and Hagelin….I’m sure that’ll be easy to find…(s)

  74. _but, yes, I think he’s probably a lot better than Richards and somewhat better than Stepan_

    And, maybe most importantly, available for only money.

  75. I’ll stick up for Richards again – he’s everything you should look for in a veteran. His body more specifically his legs won’t allow him to be a player in this league anymore. That’s not his fault. No skating technique or stationary bike is going to correct the aging process
    When we signed him it was a wise man (Brooks? Gross? Michael Kay?!) that mentioned he was high mileage. That was spot on. After this run I have a whole new level of respect for him and am happy to have called him a Ranger

  76. I’m in favor of salary dumping Nash in case no one picked up on it. Don’t the Brooklyn islanders need a RW who they can get nothing
    Of value for come next seasons trade deadline??

  77. Sir Eddie, what have I done this time to get your panties in a bunch? Heavens!

  78. Richards isn’t a little kid, but he was 33 when the playoffs started. That’s not _that_ old, even in hockey legs terms.

  79. Serious note: I love how a trip to The Stanley Cup Finals only postponed the doom gloom and ufa offeseason “trade everyone” talk on here for like a month lol

  80. You guys have me cracking up here reading these posts. Lick him up/Lock him up;blame the iphone. Neigh as Richards/57-year-old Peter Stastny better than Neigh. LMAO!! Thanks for the laughs, guys.

  81. James has a point. You should totally buy me out. I’m willing to waive my NTC.

  82. Richie spent his summer in Connecticut dragging sleds filled with sandbags. Good training for an NFL lineman, maybe.

  83. Jessica Summers on

    you guys. this is ruining my summer. i’m not gonna make any tips if the rangers lose. come on.

  84. You can’t put anybody between MSL and Hags. They shouldn’t be on a line together. One little guy per line. They’re getting pushed around. It’s hard to watch, like kids getting bullied. That’s why The and Nah shouldn’t be together. We have too many hobbits. Since we have to keep Zucc, Hags, and MSL, they have to be kept seperate.

  85. I want to keep it simple.

    Win a game at home, dont allow yourselves to be swept at home.

    Go to LA leave everything you have on the ice.

    Come home down 3-2.

    No different then if the teams split the 1st 4 games and LA won game 5.

    The build-up to being down 3-0 is worse then the reality of it. You feel like your eliminated when in fact your still playing.

    I saw that fight in Hank last night in the post-game interview. He knows what’s up. Much rather be up in the series or tied, but the truth is, its an opportunity to make history.

    The Rangers still control their destiny.

    Lets go Boys

  86. One drip last night came very, very close to asking Henrik: Would you agree that you are not as good a goalie as Quick?

  87. The Rangers are allowed to lose in Game 5. But they can’t let the Cup be handed out at MSG and they certainly aren’t allowed to lose in a Game 7.

  88. James G, I commend you for saying the unsayable but I disagree Richards can’t be a player in this league any more. He’s a key, everyday leader on a Stanley Cup finalist team, which drives folks here crazy, to be sure. Crazier still, he does exactly what many boneheads want, which is to put the puck on the net repeatedly, even though his team has no rebounders. Once you become the assigned scapegoat in groupthink, though, there’s no getting rid of it. There are boneheads here who sincerely believe he should be benched, that AV is too chicken to pull the trigger, and they will never be convinced AV knows more than they do about it.

  89. Stranger Nation on

    _Richie spent his summer in Connecticut_

    Me thinks he commuted from his villa in South Hampton

  90. *OR* … he puts the puck on the net as we want and still has a pretty nice shot from the circles *BUT* makes too much money *AND* plays hooooooorific defense. You’re the one trying to make this a binary positive when most people are saying “he does a couple things well on offense but not nearly enough to justify keeping him around”.

  91. Norm, one goal every 4 or 5 games, no defense, sloppy point play, snail speed, shaky face-offs, drop passes to the Netherworld, not only no-hit, no challenge, never comes out of a corner with the puck, non-stop yakker. Leader? Not directed AT you, rather my view.

  92. If we could amnesty Richards then sign him back at 2 years and $8MM or something, I wouldn’t care.

  93. the idea of richards being a key, everyday leader.

    IS Laughable. The guys on the team are professional enough to say how much Richards brings to the team. But they dont hang on his every words.

    Honestly, Norm if you think that is the make-up in the ranger locker-room. Your lost and you dont have a good pulse of what makes this team go

  94. Brad Richards can absolutely play in the NHL…on a team where he gets 10-12 minutes a night by not only doesn’t have to be The Guy, but doesn’t have to be The Guy Behind The Guy, or even The Guy Behind The Guy Behind The Guy. His present role with the New York Rangers is untenable, as are his teeth and his contract.

    Also, guys, shave the beards – it’s not working.

  95. Agree with manny. At this moment only way to lose is game 5. Avoid being swept don’t break our hearts and lose in game 6 after winning game 5 and my heart would break if game. 7.

  96. can’t be done, Mister.

    and I don’t believe Richards’ leadership role in this run should be understated. And the guys do look up to him.

  97. 2 years at 8 Mil? Couldn’t he pay us a bit more than that? I’d let him stay to collect pucks at practices if he kicked in 20 Mil.

  98. And oh carp, can you do me a favor, and wait until after the series is over, to call it over.

    Please, and thank you.

  99. No, I know it can’t Carp, I’m saying I’m not all RICHARDS CAN’T PLAY AT ALL FOR US, he just can’t play a top 6 center role. Or the PP point. Or any defense whatsoever. He’s a role player at this point.

  100. Leadership role? If I were out there nightly busting my azz, he sure wouldn’t be the one I looked up to.

  101. Its over. I haven’t been this sure a series is over since we went down 3-1 to Pittsburgh.

  102. same thing with mountain man dave maloney and NHL shill member and president Joe Michaeletti, who has been wanting to tell everyone since the Kings won game 7 against the Hawks, that the Rangers were outclassed. Go hold hands with your son-in-law Joe.

  103. Don’t worry about Brad. Depending on whether his impending bonuses have to be paid upfront, he will have collected either $51M or $53M out of his $60M contract after he is bought out soon. He’ll get easily 3-4 more years signed elsewhere. Not sure he is going to feel bad after they buy him out, especially after having another SCF run.

  104. you didnt come out and say it directly carp. but Bullet point #1, thats kinda waving the white flag.

    And I’m saying to it you in a jokingly manner. I understand where your coming from. Just wish there were more people giving them a chance in the next game.

  105. Troller Norm.

    I thought he signed off for good several months back. Gave Carp the “this sucks, I’m outa here for good” post.

    Thank God he decided to come back. (S)

  106. bull dog line on

    saw the Hank and Quick discussion earlier, and I have to say, I agree with Lloyd. Quick makes the saves at the big moments in the games, and Hank does not. thats the story of the series.

  107. Good afternoon all! I think this is the most angst ridden I’ve ever been in my life (OK, slight overstatement, but not by much). Plus I’ve been stuck all work days without electronics :(

    How can everything have been so close, yet we are so far! HARTNELL!!!!!!

    And thank you Carp, for keeping feminine hygiene products out of bounds. Yick.

  108. *NO* thank you to Paul Stastny. Again and Again and Again.

    Is he *that* much better than a *23* year old Stepan?

  109. wow Brad Richards will have collected about $350,000 per point he put up for the Rangers

    hasta la vista, Bucky

  110. He’s Rocket Richard compared to #19. If he comes here, he won’t replace Step; he’ll replace Native Dancer.

  111. dunno but I think the Rangers are a better team with both Stastny and Stepan

  112. Stepan like DelZotto, is horrible on his turns and acceleration and even slower skating in a straight line from spot to spot.

  113. Wow, if this is what you get for overacheiving, I’m glad I’ve never accomplished anything.

  114. bull dog line on

    Stepan has also been the number 1 center on a team that has been to the ECF, and SCF 2 of the last 3 years.

  115. ABIndy,

    Not really taking them apart for overachieving, and I was one of the only people here to say I considered everything gravy once the Rangers made it to the SCF. But after going down 3-0 and what will most likely but a sweep, there can’t be a little part of every Rangers fan that’s saying, “We waited 20 years for this?”

  116. bull dog line on

    do you make room for Miller next year (let Pouliot leave), or do you use him as a big piece in a trade?

  117. hahahahaha haaaaa.

    guy returns and plays a game with a broken jaw unprotected.

    has surgery, misses 1 game, comes back and scores 2 goals.

    And he’s soft? Cant make this “chris neil” up

  118. Maybe you should pull for your team Lloyd, I mean they are going to play another game in the Finals tomorrow. Not twenty years from now, tomorrow, maybe you should try to enjoy and hope they win

  119. nobody is doubting Derek Stepan’s heart. there is, however, a big difference between playing with pain and being an impact player. Quite frequently Derek Stepan plays like he’s in a shell and can often drop off the face of the earth. Again, I defy anyone to present evidence he played in last night’s game.

  120. _saw the Hank and Quick discussion earlier, and I have to say, I agree with Lloyd. Quick makes the saves at the big moments in the games, and Hank does not. thats the story of the series._

    Quick played a great Game 3. If Quick were our goalie, we’re out in the 1st round. And if they let us back in, we’re out in the 2nd round. He probably gets us through Montreal.

  121. If *tomb* is around he should know that the new *Tombs* album is quite good. Brooklyn *METAL*

    Stepan rules. I don’t care what any of you say. He’s 23 and he puts up 50+. 5g, 9a in the playoffs. Hardly the problem.

    Sure he would be better as a 2nd line Center and the team would be better but I think Stastny is far too expensive.

  122. coos, you’re a great fellow in every way, but your Richards take is cartoonish. Again, and again and again, he is not their best player and need not be re-signed. But he is a key guy on this very successful team. I think I know why that’s so difficult for most bones to understand, but I keep expecting you to rise above your investment in talking the man down and begin to appreciate his contribution, playing every game in an entirely unexpected run.

  123. bull dog line on

    but we are talking about THIS series, and in THIS series, Quick has been better than Hank when it matters most.

  124. Jessica Summers on

    ok off to work now. atleast those cray cray kings fans won’t be there tonight. hashtag annoying

  125. jpp,

    I’m being realistic. Being a fan doesn’t mean pretending the sun rises and sets with your hockey team. Just like it doesn’t mean pretend your team only loses because of bad luck. It’s great that the Rangers made it to the SCP. I would have hoped they’d have mustered a bit more than they’ve shown to this point, and they can still salvage that by winning the next 2 games. But to go out in 4, which is what usually happens in these situations, isn’t an achievement.

  126. iCCCP - I STILL BELIEVE! on

    Four wins later…THE on the ice looks into a camera and says:”NO MORE 1942!”

  127. I might remind you all *WE ARE IN THE STANLEY CUP FINAL*

    Only two teams made it here. *TWO*. We haven’t been here in *20* years. Try appreciating what this (mostly) very young team has done.

  128. Seriously what is up with some of you guys here. You are so freaking negative. Its almost like sissies, just waiting for something to piss their pants over and get scared stiff over. Its not funny, its pathetic looking. This is a sport, your team came back from being down 3-1 to the Penguins, 3 weeks ago. The odds aren’t good, but the idea that so few of you, choose to view things that way, I ask you guys: Why do you watch?

  129. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I like how Stepan slows to a stop, leans in, and throws a -check- bump into the opposing player. That, and the way he looks to pass even on a breakaway

  130. bull dog line on

    not whining about Hank. he has been great in these playoffs. I just stating the fact the Quick has outplayed him when the game is on the line.

  131. I wonder if the people knocking Jonathan Quick are the same people who are still singing the praises of John Tortorella (and yes, Brad Richards, and Mike Rupp and Ruslan Fedotenko) for winning a Stanley Cup are quick to deride the Kings goaltender when he was more instrumental in the Cup his team won than any of the players mentioned. And, you know, did it a whole lot more recently.

  132. I think you guys are putting a little too much emphasis on the goaltender. Not all pucks are stoppable and all goaltenders are going to give up a few. Even the best in the flipping world. Sure they have huge pads and there isn’t much net space but the puck is basically pinballing off of traffic in front and somehow getting in. Hank is responsible for maybe 2 goals so far.

  133. lloyd, dont tell me what makes a fan or doesn’t. if that choosing to be positive in situations is actually foolery, or stupidity.

    I dont jive with people of that ilk. Until they are eliminated, they are still playing.

  134. Norm, I heartily agree with your first eight words, so we’re seeing eye to eye there, like Moshe Dayan and Sammy Davis, Jr.

  135. bull dog line on

    Hank has given up two 2 goal leads, and a 2 goal lead in the 3rd period. Hank should lock those games down. much the way Quick locked down last night.

  136. I don’t think anyone has been negative towards Quick. Not at all.

    I’m not even saying one is better than the other. I’m just saying that you guys being negative about having a goaltender that the rest of the *world* would salivate over is insane.

  137. Does Carp mean
    “Stanley Cup Final” – off day
    “Stanley Cup” – final off day

  138. I’m not blaming Lundqvist for the Rangers exiting the hockey season tomorrow night. Far from it. My point has only been that Quick’s been the best goalie in this series. That wasn’t the case in the other 3 playoff series the Rangers played in this postseason, Dustin Tochristki notwithstanding.

  139. Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank Hank……………

    You guys know there are other people on the team besides Hank, right? It’s not always on the goaltender.

  140. Hank displayed his mettle in this SCF.

    There exists no such thing as too much emphasis being placed on a goalie scheduled to make $8.5m over the next seven years.

    The goalie is the last line of defense. It is ultimately his job to keep the puck out of the net.

  141. There are 2 categories of posters here:

    Those who comment honestly based upon what they observe

    And those who complain that those who comment honestly based upon what they observe are not true Ranger fans.

  142. Alright. You guys are all clearly taking your *insanity* pills today. Forget it…

  143. I agree with Bull Dog. Hank needs to shut the door in games one and two. He needed to come up big on that Justin Williams goal in Game one. Game tree, he needed to stop that Cah-Tah goal.

    Hank’s been good in the playoffs, but he hasn’t been good enough in the SCF. His boys haven’t helped him at all, so I’m not going to say he’s the sole reason why NYR are down.

  144. bull dog line on

    certainly the 1st 2 games were on Hank. and it not like he played poorly, it is just in the big spot Quick was better.

  145. Amen, Papa

    And for those who want to question how big of a fan I am, when it’s time to pay my bill for season tickets (roughly $10,000) feel free to pass along your credit card information.

  146. I don’t care who is in net. In Game 2 all 5 of those goals are being given up by whoever is in there. Especially the one where King was laying on top of him.

  147. There was probably a week or two in history when Rabbit Maranville outhit Babe Ruth. More power to him.

  148. We’ve learned today that Manny thinks Henrik Lundqvist has outplayed Jonathan Quick in this series

    We can add that to Manny’s long held belief that every Ranger player is the very best in the league

  149. To spark the team tomorrow night, MSG just announced that Tie Domi will throw the first ceremonial punch. Getcher concussion protocols heeYAH. Get’em while they’re fresh

  150. Game 2 was the result of Horrendous officiating and the most scrambling 3-on-1 defense I have ever seen on the Gaborik goal.

    OT was a horrendous giveaway by Girardi who hasn’t been up to snuff.

  151. I’d be willing to bet the $10k I’ll pay for Rangers tickets that the Dan Girardi contract will move into Roszival territory among Ranger fans long before 2020.

  152. If Danny Boy had made that play, we were off to the races, four on two. Cudda, wudda, shudda. Happens.

  153. Yea. That’s what I said, Lloyd. I guess you learned to read while playing in Junior.

  154. bull dog line on

    Hank’s standing in my eyes went way up this year. the reason for that is because he overcame a crappy begging to the season, and he was has been great in these playoffs. his game 6 save is probably his signature moment. none of this changes the fact that Quick has outplayed him.

  155. Girardi nearly made the exact same atrocious play twice last night in the first period. Both times he got away with it because Kings player muffed the centering pass he gave them.

  156. Hank squandered two goal leads in each of the first two games.

    He then allowed the backbreaking, series-ending goal to Carter.

  157. Am I the only one who thinks that AV has been outcoached by a bigger margin than Hank has been outgoaltended?

  158. I have a hard time believing Darryl Sutter can tie his shoes, much less outcoach anybody.

  159. Stranger Nation on

    _But he is a key guy on this very successful team_ #18 on my list of contributors in this run. He did rank higher than your nemesis Carcillo…
    Norris Stralman
    D Moops
    St. Louis
    J Moops

  160. Dan Girardi is not a true first pair defenseman.

    The Rangers need to trade Staal this offseason or at the 2015 trade dealine. That or let him go when he becomes a UFA.

  161. “Up To Snuff” – Alert, as with snorting snuff, similar to caffeine, nicotine high that (supposedly) afforded one the ability to be sharp, not easily fooled.

  162. _Hank has given up two 2 goal leads, and a 2 goal lead in the 3rd period_


  163. bull dog line on

    Staal is a tough call for me. there are times when I agree with you. trade him. there are other times when I see how good he can be. right now, I am on the keep him and sign him side, but his play in the finals makes me wonder if that is the right move.

  164. My top ten list of contributors to this run.

    St. Louis

  165. bull dog line on

    and when once the game was tied, Hank gave up 2 goals, and Quick zip. big saves big moments.

  166. Secondary and tertiary talent with so many teams these days is very, very rarely unimpeachable. Same with baseball.

  167. iCCCP - I STILL BELIEVE! on

    I wanted to fart and instead I pooped myself…i guess I wasn’t lucky enough.

  168. Sutter may well have dirty feet and not be able to tie his shoes- but you know what? He can coach- not buying that mumbly “rain man” act of his. Granted his team is loaded, but that game plan last night was to die for- or from if you’re like me. How many odd man rushes did we have…I forget…

  169. Every goaltender will fall behind by a goal or two in a game.

    Championship goaltenders do not squander back-to-back games of two-goal leads.

    That is why Quick is en route to his second Stanley Cup and Hank is left with nothing but his undeserved nickname.

  170. PP,

    I would hope no one here every really believed that Dan Girardi is a top-2 defenseman. Seemed more a case of where you kind of had to play him higher than he should have been because the defensive depth was questionable. If you look at this team as presently constituted, there is a real drop off after Ryan McDonagh. Marc Staal is overrated. I’m not sure that Anton Stralman hasn’t proven to be a better defenseman than anybody on this team that isn’t named Ryan McDonagh. John Moore has regressed to being a borderline 6th-defenseman. And who else are you going to play? Diaz?

    The biggest problem with Dan Girardi all season has been that he doesn’t fit the system Vigneault plays. He’s not a transition game guy. He’s good in the Tortorella mode of girding against the wall for 60 minutes a night. If he’s got to skate more and help trigger the offense it’s just not going to happen. Girardi looked like a better offensive player in the Tortorella system when he wasn’t required to do anything but grind and occasionally tossed in a goal from the right point.

  171. I kept thinking about this, so i wanted to clear it up.

    Im not calling anyone here a sissy, I dont want anyone to think I was referring to them. Im referring to the whole “one step away from the ledge” behavior. The negativity, etcc. I think its kinda sissy behavior.

    And I for one, I dont label somebody as something, just because they behave that way sometimes. I think as humans we are all capable of both admirable and unadmirable traits and behaviors. If I say, your being a donkey, I dont think you are a donkey, I think your acting like one.

    Im just saying a lot of it comes out here

  172. lloyd, just bc you pay, doesn’t make you anymore or any less of a fan. Thats foolish talk, my friend.

  173. The Rangers are one game from being swept out of the SCP, jpp. Not sure what you want to call that but can’t really blame fans for being “one step away from the ledge” when as far as the 2013-14 season, the entire Rangers organization is already standing there.

  174. Under Torts, JMoops would have more readily progressed as a true defenseman instead of running all over the place, especially inside his own blue line. He has speed and offensive potential, but first you have to lock down.

  175. bull dog line on

    don’t worry about it. the main name callers are not here right now.

  176. jpp,

    didn’t say it makes me “anymore or any less of a fan.” but your contention is that I’m not a true fan because I’m critical. that’s baby talk.

  177. Hags line didn’t play much 5 on 5. The Zook line saw monster ice time, deservedly so. Zook was breathtaking, gave everything.

  178. Under Torts, Mats Zuccarello would be on another team and Chris Kreider would be sitting near Doc and Edzo. Let’s keep things in perspective. I’ll deal with John Moore not panning out.

  179. I believe that most in the Rangers fanbase view Girardi as a true top pair defenseman.

    Stralman is the second best Rangers defenseman. Without a shadow of doubt.

  180. bull dog line on

    Girardi is more of a 2nd pair guy. the Rangers really only have McD as a true 1st pair guy.

  181. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Rangers have been horrible in their own end these last 3 games. Some of it is due to a smothering forecheck and some of it just terrible decisions with the puck.Hank is the last line of defense, but I can’t fault him much at all. Take Girardi off the ice and we might be up 3-0. He’s been atrocious.

  182. you also said that getting here isn’t an achievement?

    Thats BS. two teams play for the Cup.

    Let me ask you a question. The LA kings were down 3-0. You think they were of the mindset, where they thought it was all over and they might as give-up. Thats what being on the ledge. Your on the ledge, about to jump off it, and you need to be talked down.

    Im asking why so many of yous, forget the last 2 months. They’ve given fans an unbelievable ride, they’ve proven they have the heart and the talent to come back against a top team and win 3 in a roll, when they are so-called ‘on the ledge’

    Im not gonna play word games. Yeah the rangers are 1 loss away from going home. But that doesn’t mean, its a for-gone conclusion that the season is over tomorrow night or that they’ve totally devalued what they accomplished to get here.

    Does it?

  183. The K still has a lot to learn. As does Miller. As does #19, sadly and unbelievably.

  184. Girardi thought that by beating the Habs, the NYR qualified to play MTV rock and jock hockey. Wait a second, why are these guys hitting me so hard? Get my agent on the phone, NOW!

  185. You find where I said the Rangers getting to the SCF isn’t an achievement and we can continue this conversation

  186. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor or when Manny farted during his last Passover Seder….well,yes, that last one was over pretty quick after the Fartroseth

  187. I once hitch-hiked from NYC to Boston. Guy let me out, 3 AM, in the middle of a snowstorm in Hartford. I was happy and surprised to have gotten that far.

  188. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Richards can’t get out of first gear. The mind is willing but the legs checked out 3 years ago.

    To be serious for 1 minute (seriously), the rangers just need to win game 4. This isn’t the Super Bowl where the kings can just run out the clock by taking a knee. They actually have to win another game. Not to be trite, but it’s one game at a time. Odds may not be good. And not to be even more trite, but hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things….and good things never die….

  189. jpp,

    I’m being realistic. Being a fan doesn’t mean pretending the sun rises and sets with your hockey team. Just like it doesn’t mean pretend your team only loses because of bad luck. It’s great that the Rangers made it to the SCP. I would have hoped they’d have mustered a bit more than they’ve shown to this point, and they can still salvage that by winning the next 2 games. But to go out in 4, which is what usually happens in these situations, isn’t an achievement.

    I understand your commenting that going out in 4 in the finals isn’t an achievement. But you are in fact, separating the finals from the rest of the run. And its word-play…

    Additionally on your ‘baby-talk’ comment. you attempted to say that some fans beliefs in a team, is them pretending just bc they are such fan-boys. I think that is baby-talk

    Some people are just confident and optimistic, and when they speak, they try to put out positive thoughts and ideas, bc some people are inspired by it.

    You were trying to be condescending to talk who choose to be always positive.

    But honestly we dont need to continue this convo.

  190. meant to say

    You were trying to be condescending to ‘those’ who choose to be always positive.

  191. “You’re a baby.”
    “No, you’re a baby.”
    “Come up with something original.”
    “You come up with something original.”
    “You say the same things over and over.”
    “No, YOU say the same things over and over.”
    “You’re in diapers.”
    “No, YOU’RE in diapers.”

  192. Lloyd,

    Additionally, in no way, am I trying to say you aren’t a fan. Im not trying to say whether you are a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ fan for being critical.

    Im wondering why after watching this team during this playoff run, why so many posters are so sure, the series is already over.

  193. _and when once the game was tied, Hank gave up 2 goals, and Quick zip. big saves big moments_

    AKA Quick’s offense has bailed him out of two of the three games in this series already.

  194. “you dont think like me, your a bad fan”
    “you think like me, your a good fan, i like this guy”

  195. I remember once being up 30-0 half-time in an NFL game and I was GETTING THREE POINTS. Long story short, I turned off the game with a smile and woke up to have found that I lost both the game and the vig. So, it’s never over.

  196. The moderator of the site blocked my IP address so I changed my IP address.

    If the Rangers lose this series, they will become a footnote in history remembered by nobody.

  197. carp…this is probably a longshot,but the caps supposedly want to get rid of mike green..he’ll be 29 in October and I’m sure he can still fire the puck…not a good defender,but he can run a good power play…he would fill in a much needed spot in the lineup…if they don’t have to give up a lot,do you do it?

  198. Quick’s offense bailed him out because Hank could not preserve the two-goal leads given to him.

  199. jpp -I think some of the fans watched the game last night- though it certainly is possible that the Kings will revert to the open style of play from games 1 and 2- I’m sure the NHL is hoping so- don’t want the season to end on nbc sports net.

  200. ‘Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.’ – Willie the Shake

  201. The Kings won last night bc Quick stood on his head. The game was tighter, but its a different game if Jonathan Quick didnt turn last night into his personal debut at MSG.

  202. Crazy talk today. Expected, after they went down 3-0. We are all fans, there is no way to say who is more fan and who is less. Being always positive doesn’t make one less of a fan comparing to someone who is always negative. Or one in the middle. Or someone who pays more or less. On the other hand, the perception and the appreciation of what this team has accomplished this year is a personal choice. You can diminish it if they don’t come back, or you can cherish it going forward. Our coping skills are different, but oftentimes, it’s a reflection of how we deal with ups and downs in our lives in general.

  203. Quick is from Hamden, Ct. – Mannu’s old stomping grounds, but he hates him anyway.

  204. Very well said ILB. articulated it much better then I could today. But a lot like the team, Im not in the greatest of moods today either haha

  205. Quick stood on his head, yes- but I don’t think thats the only reason why the Kings won. They controlled the game- it was never going to be a different game.

  206. Why would one’s choice to diminish or cherish this playoff run be a reflection of how one deals with ups and downs in life?

  207. The Kings had fifteen shots on goal. Please explain how the Kings controlled the game.

    The Rangers controlled the action in all three periods.

    The goal at the end of the first period was a killer.

    The second goal came on the power play.

    The third goal came on the counterattack against a team desperately trying to pull within one goal.

  208. Carp might be busy, so I’ll put in a short version for you. You can change the IP address and your name, but you can’t the style, the content, and the inherited amount of gyri.

  209. Does anyone want to have a discussion about whether NY even makes the playoffs this year if Hank doesn’t bring his A game from January on?

  210. Not sure if youse are aware but last night was Quick’s first game in MSG. I think Doc mentioned it Eleventy billion times.

  211. London Broil on

    Im angry. We won the 1st 3 gms. We lost the 1st b/c of stupid turnovers, the 2nd the referees stole from us, the 3rd Quick stole from us.

    If we dont come back, Ill be stuck with nightmares of this series for the rest of my short life. Thats why I wait until one of my teams actually wins to buy memorabilia of Eastern Conf or Division Champs, because I cant stand being reminded of losses in finals.

  212. Admiral Akbar on

    “Rangers a footnote in history remembered by nobody” ???

    That is complete hogwash.

    Rangers fans remember fondly the ’79 team, also the ’97 and ’12 teams that went to the conference finals.

    This Rangers team will be revered even if they lose Game 4 5-0. They made the Finals unexpectedly. They Won 2 Game 7’s. They came back from 3-1 versus Pittsburgh. AV’s first year. The return of Dominic Moore after sitting out a season in mourning. The trade of Callahan, and the way the team rallied around Martin St. Louis. Also the continued emergence of Ryan McDonagh, and Mats Zuccarello.

    Ranger fans will never forget this team.

    You’re wrong, pp.

  213. bull dog line on

    that is not what is being discussed. what is being discussed is the SCF. the difference in the series is Quick being better than Hank when the games is on the line.

  214. I have to say, other than the outcome, I had a tremendous time with my Sonny Boy attending last nights game, the first SCF game at MSG in 20 years.

    I had tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat as Amarante belted out the Anthem, waving his towel as the crowd roared on and waved in kind. I couldn’t help but reminisce about spending time in my younger years with my father and uncle at helment-less games.

    As the night went forward Sonny Boy and I met and chatted with some classy, down to earth, honest, hard core, bluer than blue Ranger fans. It was an honor to share in their company.

    There is a special Ranger gene coursing through our DNA. Most of us are so lucky to have had that gene passed to us by loving fathers, uncles, grandfathers, mothers, brothers, sisters etc.

  215. Who woulda thunk just a week ago that the Knicks might be the next NY team to score at MSG?

  216. The Kings have been lucky for 3 games. They have been fortunate to win all three.

    There are no moral victories here for a Ranger fan. This is the Cup. And, of course, I’m not saying the Kings don’t deserve their 3-0 lead. I just think the Rangers have been the better team for the majority of the minutes played. I really do.

    It could very easily be 2-1 Rangers. The Kings know that. Real Kings fans know that. The Rangers should feel that way too.

    This is a great learning experience for a lot of guys. Lesson: Can’t feel sorry for yourself in this situation.

  217. ABindy.

    I dont believe that at all.

    If Zucc cashes in the 1st period and the Kings don’t score that last second goal. Its a different game.

    If Quick doest make 4-5 huge saves that he did, that game gets tied at 3.

    I believe that so deeply.

    It didnt happen and yes the way it played out really plays to the idea that the kings just stymied them, but it was Quick who stymied them.

    Quick saved at least 2 goals with his stick. Another one, just nicked the tip of his skate blade. And those 3 were the most obvious. He made another 2-3 stellar saves.

    You can say whatever you want to say. But the kings scored 3 goals, and if Quick didnt make those saves, and those saves were goals. Well do the numbers, that game would have been tied if not for Quick.

  218. Nice post, Papa. Glad you enjoyed yourself.

    I’m also glad I didn’t hear Doc say, ” Oh my, it seems to be raining people in Kings jerseys from the Chase bridge”

  219. Lundqvist boasts a Finals GAA of over 3.00. Any other goalie in his position would be criticized here without an objection. Come on boys, lock it up and call a spade a spade. Quick didn’t have dazzling numbers this post season but he did enough to keep LA in games against SJ, Anaheim and Chicago…kind of like how he shut the door in games 1 and 2 after the Kings tied the games? Or how he posted a shutout last night? With the exception of what I hear was a stellar 3rd period in game 1, Lundqvist has been average in these first three games. Quick hasn’t been that far above average, but he most certainly has shut the door when he has needed not given up 2 goal leads or let up OT goals.

  220. The Rangers will be remembered by nobody besides Rangers fans.

    They will not be remembered by anybody of importance.

  221. I’m kind of sick of hearing the word luck in regards to the Kings, as if that makes everything ok. I wasn’t aware that they put a little asterisk on The Stanley Cup to notate which winners only won due to lucky bounces and biased officiating.

    Maybe the problem is that the Rangers themselves are starting to no longer believe they can win this series. Maybe the lack of finals experience with the exception of old man River #s 19 and 26 has put them at a disadvantage against a team that’s been to the show and only gotten better since it’s last appearance.

  222. My fellow boneheads – if you’re talking about offseason moves right now, you are officially a shmendrick! The season isn’t over. You have to win 4 games to win a series, I just double checked it on espn and the kings have won 3. Can we have a little belief in a team that came back from 3-1 against Pittsburgh just a few weeks ago? Is 3-0 really that different than 3-1? Yes, it would be a near miracle but it happens sometimes.

    Plenty of time for the off-season in, you know, the off-season. So let’s not be shmendricks. Our team made it to the darned Stanley cup finals! Let’s support them all the way and see what happens. It’s hockey, you never know!

  223. On hank and the GAs

    its an ongoing dialogue between me and my dad.

    Go through all the goals scored against.

    Tally up the # that came off: A) a body, B) one of our own players, C) a deflection.

    It’s unreal, check it out for yourselves.

  224. Men of importance PP???

    man I could go to town on this subject.

    who do you consider important PP? thats the question that popped into my head when I read your comment

  225. the rangers were better in both Games 1 and 2. Kings got some bounces and some calls. Some call that luck. Luck is a part of everything. There’s nothing wrong with it admitting luck is a part of it. And that you need it. Its a part of winning. It is.

    The kings got some bounces, some calls, some luck in games 1 and 2.

    Overall, skaters and goaltenders, the kings were better in game 3.

  226. NYR fans that say Lundqvist is the reason for the series being 0-3 and the Kings have been much better don’t have a clue.

    LOL…maybe AV should have went with LeNeveu?

  227. You win, you win; you lose, you lose. Forget all the bouncy-bouncy. We haven’t lost YET.

  228. I firmly believe that the main reason they are down 3-0 is because we all ordered that cheap jersey from NHL shop and thereby jinxing this team. We settled for EC Championship, instead of waiting until they go all the way. That was a trap. Heck, come to think of it, I think it was design by Bettman and Co. so we can all assure they lose. How’s that for a conspiracy theory?

  229. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Papa – I’ve got a lump, but it ain’t in my throat…know what I’m sayin?

  230. ‘Who do you blame when your kid is a brat,
    Pampered and spoiled like a Siamese cat?
    Blaming the kids is a lie and a shame,
    You know exactly who’s to blame:
    The mother and the father

    Oompa loompa doompety da
    If you’re not spoiled then you will go far
    You will live in happiness too
    Like the Oompa Loompa Doompety do’

  231. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Brassard – “Ilb, e3 ordered my jersey but it didn’t jinx us. I’m putting the team on my shoulders and we are not done yet. There will be a game 5″

  232. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Papa – my Roids aren’t Hemmor either…but performaning enhancing…

  233. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Vegas odds To win the cup :

    Kings : 1/10
    Rangers : 16-1

    Let’s go rangers. This ain’t over.

  234. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Guess that’s where the H in preparation H comes from.

    Roids are best with a heavy red meat diet.

  235. Admiral Akbar on

    Not sure why, but would much rather be losing to Chicago right now.

    Don’t know why.

  236. Papa

    My sons three just hope I don’t need to wait 20 years to see cup final with him.

  237. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Go ahead and laugh, but the Rangers are going to win this series.

    We want the cup
    We want the cup
    We want the cup

  238. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    At this point, we have nothing to lose. One game at a time. Simple simon.

  239. ‘All debutantes say it’s good,
    And every star out in far Hollywood
    Seems to give it a try –
    So why
    Shouldn’t I?’

  240. ‘Yeah ol’ man rhythm gettin’ in my shoes,
    They’s no use-a sittin’ heresingin’ the blues
    So be my guest, you got nothin’ to lose
    Won’t cha let me take you on a sea cruise?

    Oo-ee, oo-ee baby
    Oo-ee, oo-ee baby
    Oo-ee, oo-ee baby
    Won’t cha let me take you on a sea cruise?’

  241. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Jeff Carter – “we have a lot of character people on the team. Whenever someone new comes in I do my best to -shag their wife- make them feel welcome -and sharing my cocaine doesn’t hurt-

  242. bull dog

    The Kings won three games against the Rangers. Bottom line. That’s how they are up 3-0 in the series.

  243. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – that was a real tough game to watch on TV…dropping a load to see them play live like that reall had to suck

  244. It could be worse, Latona. You could be lamenting buying tickets for the Rangers legends cruise.

  245. ‘They all laughed at Christopher Columbus
    When he said the world was round.
    They all laughed
    When Edison discovered sound.’

  246. Stranger Nation on

    _I firmly believe that the main reason they are down 3-0 is because we all ordered that cheap jersey from NHL shop and thereby jinxing this team_

    Ha! You cheap skates killed this squad and Buttman’s revenge was to allow Danny Boy swallow his whistle in Game 2.

    Moral: You never take money from Buttman’s pocket.

  247. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't Stepan THE logo!!!"...says Greg L. on

    We got ’em right where we want ’em .

  248. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Overhead on a conference call;

    Buttplug – “we do everything in power to have the rangers win the next 3 games. It boosts ratings and brings excitement to our sport. Once we reach game 7, then whatever team wins…wins the cup….Do you all understand”

  249. In case anyone wasn’t sure, Richie has confirmed that Game 4 is, indeed, on the schedule.

  250. eddie,no comment on the first question.. I had four or five Kings “fans” behind me as well. Made the suffering even worse!

    Seee, that’s true. I can’t imagine being stuck on a boat with Duguay. Ghoulish!

  251. Wonder what Barry Beck looks like. When he was twenty-one, he looked 45. Maybe he ages backwards.

  252. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – good lord…I feel for you..Sorry to had to deal with that…

  253. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    It would be the greatest choke job in the world if our boys can do this…

  254. I don’t regret spending the money on something that could have been a wonderful life moment.. I regret trusting the Rangers to provide me with such a thing!

  255. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I’m wanting to pull the trigger on a game 5 in LA ticket…but a GOOD seat is 2000.00 and I just can’t see paying that much on general principle….

  256. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I remember going to Ranger – Kings games in LA in the early 80’s at the old forum and there’d be 10,000 + ranger fans in attendance.

    Talk about bandwagon fans – these days

  257. Robby Bonfire on

    Before I retire from here, I just have to point out to resident math whiz, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, that is quoting the odds to win the series, you quoted above, you took just 96.79 points out of a round book par of 100 points.

    Nice going, Eddie, you just gave the bettors, hedging each way, a 3.21 per cent edge over the house. Those are YOUR odds, Eddie, nothing to do with what Las Vegas is posting.

    Ivy League social circle my buns, more like Ashland Community College over on Eddie’s block.

  258. eddie, it’s not very often you have the opportunity to (semi-conveniently) see a Stanley Cup Finals match. But that is a lot of dough, for sure. Re: Kings fans, the one guy behind me seemed to know a little bit about hockey – the others were clueless. One chick was wondering why Gretzky wasn’t playing.. she had heard he was really good. True story.

  259. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hi – I’m Robbie and I went to PS 146. I didn’t learn much but I’m arrogant. I can calculate a mean, however, if you ask me what a standard deviation is and write out how to calculate it, don’t expect much. Blame the public school system. Don’t look at me…

  260. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The odds I posted might have been from 2 different books. As example, I saw from 1/10 to 1/33 for the kings..

  261. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Robbie – here, cream your jeans over this..

    Bovada has

    Rangers + 1400
    Kings -3000

    Now, how about spelling standard deviation for the blog? I won’t even bother asking you to calculate one…

  262. Robby Bonfire on

    “Cough, cough, sputter, sputter,” you should see, just scanning your own posted odds, that Kings 1-16, and Rangers 10-1 would make sense and give The House its usual percentage edge.

    And by the way, WHERE did you see any posted line on the outcome of his series, given that at, and at, all bets on the outcome of this series are off the board? You cannot lay odds and take the Kings at ANY price, anywhere.

    You are blowing smoke rings in your own face, Eddie Boy, and you really got nailed, on this one.

    You are in over your head, so take the summer off, teacher.

  263. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – game 2 is the game I should have gone to…we were on vacation tho and I couldn’t get away….

  264. Robby Bonfire on

    I just checked Bovada, no series outcome odds are listed under their “Futures” action odds postings. Pride goes before the fall, Eddie, except you have fallen into the abyss where pride, and blowing smoke, is all you have left.

    Sorry to take you to school in front of your “friends,” here, but a little comeuppance for your over-baked pride never hurt anyone. Kings 1-10; Rangers 16-1 odds will be your legacy, here, Eddie. It’s a classic exercise in blatant ignorance of the subject matter you tried to impress everyone with. Except one of us out here is on to your blowhard ways.

    Good night friends, This is where I jump off the little choo choo train from Hell.

  265. The Garden Faithful on

    Dear Rangers,

    Our team. Our boys.

    What on earth is up with this mopey, defeated, lousy body language, we’re not gonna win attitude that is splashed all over the entire country today? Yes, we recognize that you are in quite a pickle. Yes, we also realize that many breaks have not gone your way. It is disappointing to get to the Stanley Cup Final and have it play out this way. We understand.


    The Kings have won 3 games. They have not won four. You played admirably in the three losses, and honestly all three could have gone different ways. They did not. But just as easily, the next 3 could go different ways too. We are proud of how you played regardless of the results. But now you are making us much less proud.

    Frankly, we cannot believe what is coming out of the locker room right now. The gloom, the doom, the slumped shoulders and losing body language. The whining. Why are you guys, of all things, at this time, acting like this is already over? Like you know you have no chance? Like you’ve given up?

    WHERE ARE THE 22 GUYS WHO STORMED INTO PITTSBURGH AND MADE RANGER HISTORY BY COMING BACK FROM 3-1 DOWN? And the guys who ran over the Habs those 2 straight at the Bell Center – WHERE ARE THEY?

    There’s an old saying that you go with what got you to the dance. We cannot tell you exactly what it was that got you here – probably a combination of guts, belief, being able to “see it” and an undying belief in one another. But we can tell you that the way you are acting now is most certainly NOT what got you here.

    The opportunity is still right there. Decide you give up, lose tomorrow, and then it really is gone forever. But it is still there right now, and is an even greater opportunity than it was a week ago. Yeah, its a long shot, but so was the last four weeks of your lives.

    So tomorrow night, get together, lift each other up, come hard for 60 minutes, or longer, whatever it takes. We will be there, screaming our guts out like we always are. We are not giving up, or quitting, because we believe you will win this game. And you will, because you have pride in each other and in the sweater, and you will not allow some other team to skate around our Garden ice with the Stanley Cup. You can do it, and you will.

    Let’s Go Rangers!!

    The Garden Faithful

  266. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Robbie – I wasn’t trying to impress anyone. I was looking for any book that was posting odds to win the cup and I found a site and posted ….they might have been handicappers picks…obviously a mistake…my bad…

    Kings -3000
    Rangers + 1400

    Is in play. Now, if you have the numbers 20, 24, 7, and 15 would you explain to us how you incorrectly calculated the standard deviation?

    Also, given your hard on for me, give me your address and I’ll mail you a pic that you can look at and get jolly over.

  267. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I’ll get it from my library and give it a read.. Thx, I love to get recommendations for books…

  268. So am I crazy to say that the Rangers should put 6 mill (richards 6mill) on the table for Suban and fix the PP with him and McD on the point there next year?

  269. You recommended McTeague for me a while ago.. I enjoyed it.. just got Power Broker and found it fascinating so thought I would return the favor..

  270. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’ll give 10-1 odds that Robbie will be back posting once his meds prescription is refilled…any takers?

  271. Chris, Subban is great, but I think that would backfire.. MTL would easily match six million.. and I think they would probably have to give him a bigger contract than six million without an offer sheet..

  272. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – you had referred another book to me round about then I don’t recall….always feel free to offer one up…

    Henry James – The American, Washington Square
    Nathaniel Hawthorne – The Marble Faun, The Blithedale Romance

    Robert Warren Penn – All the Kings Men

    Wallace Stegner – Angle of Repose
    Ralph Waldo Emerson – Nature.

  273. e3, Power Broker is non-fiction.. I have been reading more of those lately.. I will jot those down though.. thanks.

  274. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – Yes….I’m reading pretty much nothing but biographies/non fiction these days as well….

    Have you read Bob Woodward’s “The Brethren”?

    Loved that one…

  275. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – have you read any of Malcolm Gladwell’s books? “Outliers” was brilliant

  276. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – great book on JFK assassination – David Lifton’s “Best Evidence”

  277. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bobby Fischer versus The Rest of the World is a great book if you want a historical chess book to read…

  278. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ronald Steel’s – Walter Lippmann and the American Century is a fantastic work of non fiction

  279. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie.

  280. Hi, Eddie,

    Hey, I wrote nice things about you this morning and then you got all pissy with me later, or it seemed that way. I am keen to make reparations.


  281. I am reading Irwin Skell’s “You, Too, Can Profit from the Coming Financial Holocaust.”

  282. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Norm – good enough. Handshake. Last night wasn’t a good night for obvious reasons. Your spats with Kooz always leave me laughing…

  283. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Norm – Lloyd is a good egg. I know you two were sparring earlier…and he, like yourself at times, takes a lot of verbal abuse simply for stating his position but I find myself agreeing with him more times than not…he’s not a bad guy….

  284. Thanks, E, it’s a good birthday present. Signing off, curled up with ‘Leave it to Psmith’.

  285. Lloyd is a hard-boiled egg who delivers vitriolic ad-hominem invectives like a chubby boy at 4th Grade recess, and then, when you get your sweater off, disappears.

  286. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – I’m looking at spending July in Europe, with the family, for under $20. Have some nice hotels lined up for 5 cents a night.

  287. Pick up Bill Bryson’s “Travel Southeast Asia on Credit, then Quietly Boogie Away so No One is the Wiser.”

  288. Or Brad Richards’ “How To Avoid Picking Up the Check and Other Valuable Insights on Dining and Sport.”

  289. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – have you read Todd Wicker’s “Guide to Restoring Not So New Furniture”?

  290. “I have furniture in my place that goes back to Louis the Fourteenth.”

    “Really? All my furniture goes back to Macy’s the fifteenth.”

  291. Still impressed that Papa spelled hemorrhoids correctly. Surprised, too, that I just did.

  292. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    With this walmart truck that crashed into Tracy Morgan (someone I never thought the least bit funny) and the ensuing law suit likely to follow…the price on a new sofa will rise from 2.99 to 3.01

  293. I get a kick out of some furniture stores and places like Staples where the displayed furniture is falling apart yet has never been touched. ‘Textured, wood-like finish.’

  294. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hem A Roids is a word I’d never spell correctly. But I’m a lousy speller. Even simple words befuddle me…

  295. Faulkner reputedly couldn’t spell a lick. Guess that doesn’t bother the Nobel Committee.

  296. lol. ilb said today something like – “LA thinks they can lick us down.” Similar to that, can’t remember.

  297. Matter of fact, his name is Falkner. His first book misprinted his name with the ‘u.’ Since it sold, he and his publishers kept the name.

  298. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ilb was ready to lick it up earlier today.

    You would not believe how poorly I spell…when I took notes it was all phonetically written out…

  299. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Interesting story…I didn’t know that….I find his work not easy to read…

  300. I think the Phoenicians invented the cell phone. They invented something or other, I think in 1066, during the Civil War or something.

  301. He’s very ethnic, patois, etc. But you like Henry James, not too easy to read for different reasons.

  302. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    James is hard to read due to the clause comma clause comma clause comma that lasts pages….that, and incredible vocabulary that has most people looking up 3 or 4 words per page…

  303. And I feel bad for Dorsett because it could be the last game of the season for NYR, and he hasn’t done anything to be taken out of the lineup.

    As much as these guys apparently look up to Neigh, you can’t tell me a hard working guy like Dorsett doesn’t get rubbed the wrong way when he’s taken out of the lineup while Neigh gets to stay in.

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