Rangers at Avalanches tonight (9 p.m.) … pre-game notes


Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

Thursday, Apr. 3, 9:00 p.m. ET
Pepsi Center – Denver, CO
Rangers: 43-30-4 (90 pts)
Avalanche: 48-21-6 (102 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the Colorado Avalanche at Pepsi Center (9:00 p.m. ET — TV: MSG Network; Radio: ESPN 98.7), as they conclude a four-game road trip. The Blueshirts currently rank second in the Metropolitan Division standings, and fifth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 43-30-4 (90 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Vancouver Canucks, 3-1, on Tuesday at Rogers Arena. The Blueshirts have posted an 8-2-0 record in their last 10 games, including a 7-1-0 record in their last eight games, and are 6-1-0 in their last seven games on the road. The Avalanche enter the contest with a 48-21-6 record (102 pts) to rank fourth in the Western Conference, and have won four straight games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Ottawa Senators on Saturday, Apr. 5, at MSG (7:00 p.m. ET), as they begin a three-game homestand.

All-Time: 35-31-7-4 overall (21-12-4-2 at home; 14-19-3-2 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the second of two meetings this season, and the only meeting at Pepsi Center. New York is 1-0-0 overall (1-0-0 at home; 0-0-0 on the road), following a 5-1 win on Feb. 4 at MSG. Carl Hagelin and Mats Zuccarello led all skaters with two assists, while Brad Richards and Derick Brassard each tallied two points (one goal, one assist). Henrik Lundqvist made 27 saves.
Last Season: Did not play. In 2011-12, New York was 0-1-0 overall (0-1-0 at home; 0-0-0 on the road), following a 3-1 loss on Mar. 17 at MSG. The Rangers out-shot the Avalanche, 42-20, in the game. Mats Zuccarello notched the Blueshirt’s lone goal, while Dan Girardi and Ryan McDonagh each tallied an assist. Henrik Lundqvist stopped 17 of 19 shots faced.
• The Rangers last win in Colorado was on Jan. 31, 2010 (3-1).
• New York is 25-14-0 on the road; Colorado is 25-11-3 at home
• The Rangers are 14-13-0 vs. Western Conference opponents; the Avalanche are 20-9-1 vs. Eastern Conference opponents
• New York lists no former Avalanche players on their roster
• Colorado lists two former Rangers on their roster: John Mitchell (2011-12); PA Parenteau (2009-10)
• Marc-Andre Cliche was originally selected by the Rangers in 2005 (2nd round, 56th overall)

• Henrik Lundqvist – 6 GP, 2-3-1, 2.55 GAA
• Rick Nash – 33 GP, 12-12—24
• Brad Richards – 23 GP, 5-10—15
• Derick Brassard – 16 GP, 5-7 —12
• Martin St. Louis – 21 GP, 2-9—11

• The Blueshirts penalty kill is 38-41 (92.7%) with seven shorthanded goals in the last 15 games
• Ranks eighth in the league in combined PP% + PK% (103.3%)
Power Play: The Rangers were 1-3 (3:58) on Tuesday at Vancouver. New York ranks 12th in the NHL overall (46-247, 18.6%), and sixth on the road (28-124, 22.6%). The Rangers are 6-18 (8:36) in five-on-three situations (last – 3/21 at CBJ), and 0-6 (6:56) when four-on-three (last – 1/19 vs. WSH). Shorthanded goals allowed (6): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read); 11/19 vs. BOS (Paille); 12/20 vs. NYI (Clutterbuck, PS); 12/20 vs. NYI (Grabner); 3/2 vs. BOS (Campbell).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 2-2 (4:00) with one shorthanded goal on Tuesday at Vancouver. New York ranks sixth in the NHL overall (188-222, 84.7%), and fifth on the road (102-120, 85.0%). The Rangers are 4-7 (6:27) in three-on-five situations (last – 3/7 at CAR), and 8-10 (8:06) when three-on-four (last – 3/24 vs. PHX). Shorthanded goals for (8): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh); 12/27 at WSH (Hagelin); 1/19 vs. WSH (Callahan); 3/5 vs. TOR (McDonagh); 3/5 vs. TOR (D. Moore); 3/7 at CAR (McDonagh); 3/30 at EDM (Nash); 3/30 at EDM (Zuccarello); 4/1 at VAN (St. Louis).
Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Tuesday at Vancouver. The Rangers are -1 in 83 four-on-four situations (127:22), and even in one three-on-three situation (1:03) this season. Four-on-four goals for (8): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard); 12/12 vs. CBJ (Girardi); 12/18 vs. PIT (Hagelin); 1/31 vs. NYI (Brassard); 1/31 vs. NYI (McDonagh); 3/7 at CAR (Nash); 3/24 vs. PHX (McDonagh). Four-on-four goals allowed (9): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes); 12/8 vs. WSH (Grabovski, PS); 12/18 vs. PIT (Sutter); 12/27 at WSH (Fehr); 1/6 vs. CBJ (Atkinson); 3/5 vs. TOR (Bozak); 3/26 vs. PHI (Voracek).

Henrik Lundqvist registered his 30th win of the season with a 30-save effort in a 3-1 win on Mar. 26 vs. Philadelphia. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, he is the first goaltender in NHL history to reach the 30-win milestone in eight of his first nine NHL seasons. Lundqvist established two franchise records in a five-day span, becoming the Rangers’ all-time wins leader with his 302nd career victory on Mar. 18 at Ottawa, and the team’s all-time shutouts leader with his 50th career shutout on Mar. 22 at New Jersey. He registered his 300th career win with a 30-save shutout in the Rangers 3-0 victory over Detroit on Mar. 9 at Madison Square Garden. He became the 29th goaltender in NHL history to reach the 300-win mark. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Lundqvist is the fifth fastest goaltender to record 300 wins (560 games).

Ryan McDonagh tallied six goals in March, which were the most by a Rangers defenseman in one calendar month since Jan. 1998 (6 – Brian Leetch). He tallied the game-winning goal in two straight games – on Mar. 24 vs. Phoenix and Mar. 26 vs. Philadelphia – and notched three game-winning goals in a five-game span from Mar. 18-26. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, McDonagh is the first Rangers defenseman to score the winning goal in consecutive games since Dec. 29-30, 2003 (Tom Poti).

Mats Zuccarello tallied his 54th point of the season on Tuesday against Vancouver, the most by a Norwegian-born player in one season in NHL history. The record was previously held by Espen Knutsen, who had 53 points with Columbus during the 2000-01 season.

New York has won six of their last seven road games. The Rangers have posted two separate six-game road winning streaks this season for the first time in franchise history. The Blueshirts have established a franchise record for road wins in a season, posting a league-high 25 in 39 road games.

The Rangers scored a power play goal and a shorthanded goal in the same game for the fifth time this season, and for the second consecutive contest on Tuesday against Vancouver. It is the second time this season that the Blueshirts have scored a shorthanded goal in consecutive games (Mar. 5-7). The last time the Rangers, in back-to-back games, tallied both a power play goal and a shorthanded goal, was Dec. 8-10, 2011. The Blueshirts tallied two shorthanded goals on Sunday against Edmonton, the second time they have had two shorthanded tallies in one game this season. The last time the Rangers scored two shorthanded goals in a game on two separate occasions in the same season was 2006-07.

The Rangers won their 40th game of the season with a 4-3 OT win on Mar. 24 vs. Phoenix. New York has won 40 or more games in seven of the last nine seasons (seven of the last eight full seasons), the first time in franchise history the Rangers have registered seven 40-win seasons in a nine-season span. The Rangers are one of six teams that have reached the 40-win mark at least seven times since the 2005-06 season (PIT, SJS, DET, ANA, and NSH).

• Henrik Lundqvist – 6-1-0 in the last seven games (2.00 GAA, .930 Sv%, 1 SO) and 9-3-0 in his last 12 (1.84 GAA, .937 Sv%, 2 SO)
• Ryan McDonagh – 7 points (3 G, 4 A) in the last 8 games, and 13 points (6 G, 7 A) in the last 16 games
• Derek Stepan – 18 points (5 G, 13 A) in the last 18 games
• Mats Zuccarello – 19 points (4 G, 15 A) in his last 20 games, including 9 points (2 G, 7 A) in the last 7 games
• Rick Nash – 6 points (5 G, 1 A) in the last 8 games
• Carl Hagelin – 8 points (4 G, 4 A) in the last 10 games
• Derick Brassard – 7 points (5 G, 2 A) in the last eight games
• Benoit Pouliot – 3-game point streak (1 G, 2 A); 5 points (1 goal, 4 assists) in the last 5 games

• Derick Brassard – 2 games from 400th NHL career
• Dominic Moore – 2 games from 600th NHL career

INJURIES (112 Man-Games Lost):
• John Moore (head injury on 3/21) – 6
• Chris Kreider (hand injury on 3/21) – 4

Mar. 31 – Agreed to terms with free agent forward Chris McCarthy
April 2 — Assigned J.T. Miller to Hartford (AHL)

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  1. I know McD is traveling with the team and that the kid is made of steel but I hope he isn’t playing tonight. John Moore should get the start.

  2. Admiral Akbar on

    Staal moves up to first pair, J.Moops will slot in with Stralman. Diaz/Klein will remain intact, acc to NY Post.

  3. bull dog line on

    wow Carp,
    that 40 win STAT is a heck of a STAT. Ranger fans do not realize how good they have had it.

  4. This run of 40 win seasons aint over either. wow just think about 1998-2004. just think about those years. is the stink finally washed off, or do they need another deep playoff run to do it? Winning a round, making the playoffs, being consistent seems so al macinnis blues.

  5. Matty"MARTYSCORED!!!!!!"Boy on

    As a business owner, all I want to be is ‘above average’ and not ‘THE BEST’. As an athlete, I want to be ‘above average’ and not ‘THE BEST’???????

    Not me. Maybe you.

    Last night there was a perfect showcase between 2 extremely WELL RUN organizations that UNDERSTAND the game. Both got there in different fashion. Boston had some dry years, but built a bionic team, mostly via excellent draft and additions. Detroit has been BETTER than the Rangers, but has held onto 1sts, for the most part. THeir drafting is GLOBAL and their team is, in every way, better built than ours.

    Both will win a championship before we will. Both.

    Are you accepting of ‘above average’ and never get to the championship? That’s not my goal.

  6. Matty"MARTYSCORED!!!!!!"Boy on

    That Nyquist is some exceptional talent. He is a two way, scoring machine. WOW. Will be one of the league’s elite players.

    How does Detroit do it?????

  7. So the Mets started 0-2 with 31 K’s out of 54 total outs. As a realist, I’m just happy they are not 0-3 after their first 2.

  8. I was joking around with a *Mets* fan in my office about baseball. I was saying how ridiculous it is that Houston has a HILL in Center Field. His response was, “I’m shocked that they don’t have a gimmick like that in CitiField.”

  9. Rob in Beantown on

    Every baseball stadium should have some booby traps in the outfield to give it *character*

  10. What will Denver do to the Nash glide?
    Stay away from the brownies boys…LGR!

  11. The Mick shredding his knee on a sprinkler in the outfield was a good booby trap.

    I believe that hill in Houston ate Beltran’s knee at some point too.

  12. Did youse guyses see Paulina Gretzky a/k/a The Great Ones on the cover of Golf Digest?

  13. The new one’s are nice, and I haven’t been to the ATM in the Bronx. THE MONSTER has them all beat! But the best Margarita I’ve ever had was the little Mexican place across the street from left field.

  14. bull dog line on

    of course the goal is to win the cup. reading the comments here though, you would think the Rangers are the Islanders. there not. appreciate it or not, this 9 year stretch has been a pretty good run. and it is probably not close to being over.

  15. bull dog line on

    why are you a Rangers fan? it is usually Mets, Jets, Islanders.
    I am a Mets, Giants, Rangers fan. I am a Met fan because me father was a Baseball Giants fan. there was no way we were going to be aloud to be Yankee fans. so the Mets it was.

  16. MSG is probably my 3 favorite hockey arena. If only it was louder. I had a blast every time there don’t get me wrong, but I wasn’t sitting next to ANYONE that I could talk hockey with, outside of Mrs. Sioux. And the people in front of me were drinking wine, and came to the game in a suite. Really? Rangers/Flyers in a suit?

  17. Good morning, boneheads!

    We do not appreciate what we have, bull dog. How about we also take a look at how many teams won more than two playoff rounds consistently after the lockout in 2004-2005. It doesn’t matter for some fans. Even if they won all 82 games AND won the Cup, the complain would still be about them taking 6 games instead of 4 to win it all.

  18. bull dog line on

    I get that winning the cup is, and should be the goal every year, but only one team gets to do that each year. its not easy. being in the playoffs, and winning 40 or more every year is nothing to turn our noses up at.

  19. Best place to watch a football game is still Lambeau field. Nothing comes close. You are 5′ from the players, the Lambeau leap and the players are in your lap. But the tailgating is what sets it apart from anything I’ve ever experienced. The nicest people, surrounded by brats and beer, and band after band for miles around the stadium.

  20. Bulldog would you take 1 cup every 10 years, and 9 losing seasons, or 9 winning season and NO CUP?

  21. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Bulldog, I am ok with giving credit where credit is due. That’s a nice state.

    Yet, given this management, it sure does feel these teams are created for above average and not championships. A couple rounds seems to be the money-making goal.

    What I have a problem with is despite 40 wins, we are lightyears away, however, from a Cup. To an experienced observer, that is the clarity.

  22. 97-04 was one of the most painful periods in my life as a fan. Admittedly, I don’t follow any other major sports, and lived in NJ most of those years. Essex county to be precise. So, no, I wouldn’t take 1 cup and 9 losing seasons. Call me crazy.

  23. bull dog, my dad came to the US from Germany in the 60s. The Rangers were the only hockey team around, and the Mets and Jets had 1969.

  24. ilb – I get it.

    It’s been 20 years since the last Stanley Cup, it sure would be nice to see Henrik lift the cup.

  25. I’m somewhat OK when the Giants win. I rooted for them against the Pats. I can’t do the same with the Yankees.

  26. Stranger Nation on

    _So the Mets started 0-2 with 31 K’s out of 54 total outs. As a realist, I’m just happy they are not 0-3 after their first 2_
    I feel your pain, actually watched both games.
    nice..Let’s Go Mess…Let’s Go Mess Your 2014 New York Mutts!!
    Death, where is thy sting?

  27. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    We could win 6 cups in a row and I’m still not satisfied. I want a season where the rangers go 82-0-0, 16-0 in the playoffs, and win every game 11-0…..and Brassard scores every goal….till then harrrrrrrrumph

  28. Yankees are 0-2 and have scored a total of 3 runs and given up a total of 9. Don’t feel bad Mets fans. At least your team isn’t a mirror of a 2006 All Star team.

  29. I can’t get into baseball before Hockey season is done.

    Maybe if I lived closer to a stadium it would help. But we still have snow coming down, a 5′ drift in the back yard, the Sioux in the Frozen Four, Rangers needing every point.

    Too early to talk baseball.

    Probably the Greatest weekend in sports. Masters weekend. Sioux/Gopher in the Frozen Four, & March Madness Final Four Games.

  30. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Manny – the Yankees simply need to buy last year’s NL all star team. That’s how you win championships – buy your core…

  31. Stranger Nation on

    The Rangers’ plight is a “Groud Hog” Season existence. Good enough to make playoffs, but never a Cup contender. That is the essence of the frustration.
    The goal is to compete for the Cup and other than two years ago when we went to the ECF with two favorites knocked out, it has been a short second season.
    More than half the teams in conference makes POs, so lets not get the parade started for playing in April. Need to start playing in May at these prices.
    Or just be happy Wang is not your owner??

  32. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Speaking of wang, mine just fell on the floor and cracked the ceramic tile…

  33. Doodie Machetto on

    “that 40 win STAT is a heck of a STAT. Ranger fans do not realize how good they have had it.”

    Not that impressive, considering the existence of the shootout. If games that were shootout wins instead ended in ties:

    10-11, 34 wins
    08-09, 33
    07-08, 34
    06-07, 33
    05-06, 37.

    The only years with 40+ would be 11-12 (47), and most likely this one (currently 39).

    Just for reference,

    03-04, 28
    02-03, 32
    01-02, 36
    00-01, 33
    99-00, 29
    98-99, 33
    97-98, 25
    *96-97, 38
    95-96, 41
    93-94, 52
    92-93, 34
    91-92, 50
    90-91, 36
    89-90, 36
    88-89, 37
    87-88, 36*

    That last run was bit more sustained success, with better peaks, as well (Stanley Cup, two conference finals, two President’s Trophies).

  34. Sioux – While I miss the noise of the older MSG, ragging on “squids” or “suits” is tiring. If you’re working till 6:30 (not outlandish in this town) and you’re not a fan of carrying a change of clothes just so you can wear another man’s name on your back, I don’t see the hatred. Now drinking wine over a Bud Heavy? No way… it wouldn’t go well with the Skoal…

  35. bull dog line on

    as much as I hate the shootout Doodie, it counts. considering how few teams have won 40 as often as the Rangers, it is an impressive STAT.

  36. If it is the Rangers, you are crazy if you would not want 1 Stanley Cup for every 9 losing seasons.

  37. bull dog line on

    that is a tougher question than it sounds like, but the answer is, I would take 1 cup with 9 seasons missing the playoffs.

  38. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I think we all be surprised how deep the rangers go this year….I see Pittsburgh losing in rd 1, regardless of who they play, and Boston losing, magically, before the ECF. Rangers might actually play for the cup…and as LA showed 2 seasons ago, get scorching hot at the right time and anything can happen….

  39. “We do not appreciate what we have, bull dog.”

    What is there to appreciate?

    “How about we also take a look at how many teams won more than two playoff rounds consistently after the lockout in 2004-2005.”

    The relevance of this is what? Is the goal of hockey to win more playoff rounds over the span of 10 seasons?

    “It doesn’t matter for some fans. Even if they won all 82 games AND won the Cup, the complain would still be about them taking 6 games instead of 4 to win it all.”


  40. Rob in Beantown on

    Stanley Cup glory is fleeting. Winning multiple rounds in the playoffs over a span of years, that my friends lasts *forever*

  41. Dudley – it was just different is all, and I realize the Thursday night game was a work day. It is what it is. Still a great game when it is Rangers/Flyers. I’m just saying the most famous arena in the world, is one of the most quietest arenas.

  42. “Stanley Cup glory is fleeting. Winning multiple rounds in the playoffs over a span of years, that my friends lasts forever”


  43. Sioux,
    As far as football tailgating, come visit me for a game at Arrowhead then see what your favorite is..lol

  44. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Papa – yeehaaaaaaaaa giddy up

    Sioux – rangers vs blues/sharks/ducks/kings for the cup

  45. No problem agreeing around the lack of thunder in there – hoping it comes around. However, when someone wearing a hat with the holographic sticker still on it complains about the suits and then talks about video games for the next 2.5 hrs and rarely looks up from their cell phone, I tend to spill a little beer… by accident of course.

  46. Not to jump into the argument … but I have said, I think there is a general Steinbrennerization of sports, where only a championship is acceptable. And I think that anybody who buys into that is going to mostly have a miserable fan experience. If you can’t appreciate the grind to a playoff berth, then a playoff run, however short, then you’re always going to be disappointed. I know there were plenty of people here who were not happy at all during 11-12, which to me is difficult to fathom. To me — a non-fan — it would seem that 11-12 was a season for the ages, an overachieving team that was being built into something.

    I think fans in the old days, who only lived and died with that day’s games, and who lived by the cry, “we’ll get ’em tomorrow” … or “we’ll get ’em next year” enjoyed their teams and their sports and their fan-ship a lot more than today’s fans to.

    Championships are sure tough to win — ask even great teams like Boston and Pittsburgh, who have only one once in this era. And you could do a lot, lot, lot worse than being a Rangers fan and “settling” for a winning season and one or two playoff rounds. Ask Toronto, Edmonton, NYI, Florida, Buffalo, et al.

  47. Carp – I like that. While I hate “1 every 20” chants – I appreciate the grind and excitement associated with the playoffs. Remembering what the season started like, I’m fired up where we currently reside. Filthy in the first round? STOKED!

  48. I am not looking for a championship every season. One championship every ten to fifteen seasons would be a start. There is nothing to appreciate when the team has not given itself a chance to win a championship in the Sather era by at least advancing to the finals.

  49. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    2011-12 was a tremendous run. Winning 2 game 7’s and a chance for a third…..better than any drama concocted by Hollywood. We were better than that devils team. Kings still win the cup that year…..For me, Even winning the cup is somewhat depressing as it’s 3 + months till the next game.

  50. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, but do we know how many teams have won 40+ over that same span? Win totals across the league are inflated by the shootout. For instance, Philly and Pittsburgh have done it the exact same number of times. The Devils one time less. That’s 4 out of 5 teams from the old Atlantic division who wave won 40 or more 6 out of the last 8 full seasons, with 3 of them having a 7th season of 40+. It just isn’t that impressive of a marker.

  51. So you don’t appreciate anything since 1994. Good luck enjoying being a fan.

    also, how many teams have NOT won a championship in the last 15 seasons?

  52. how long has it been for Montreal? Toronto? St. Louis? Buffalo? The Tire Fires? Even the Devils, Avalanche, Dallas and Detroit?

  53. Doodie Machetto on

    The 11-12 season was a disappointment because the loss was to the Devils. Forget that it was an inferior team or that it was an OT loss. The Devils are what made it so painful.

    If that season ended the exact same way except instead of the Devils it was the Panthers (an even more inferior team), then I still hold my head high about what a great run it was.

    What tarnished that season, though, is the giant step backward the following season. And the start of this season, rocky as it was while everyone adjusted to Vigneault, also made it more difficult to swallow that the 11-12 team was basically gone. Callahan being traded drove that home even further.

    That was my favorite team since Mess left (the first time).

  54. Again, measuring their “success” against teams that have not won anything.

    If you want to be the best, you have to measure yourself against the best.

    There is a reason the Rangers have not won anything since 1994. Terrible management. Fix the process (management) and the results will follow.

    Do not settle for terrible management and some successful playoff rounds.

  55. Doodie Machetto on

    Absolutely did. Was my favorite team and season since 97, with an honorable mentions to 06-07 (Good Shanny/first run Avery) and 05-06 (until it went off the rails post-Olympics).

  56. Miserable fans will be miserable again by December of the next season after their team wins the Cup. They’ll find a reason. More often then not, it’s a reflection of how they live, not how they follow a sport.

  57. It is never about winning every season because it is impossible to win every season. The issue is about putting the team in the position to win each season, which can be done with excellent management.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    Alain, Chicago has won twice recently, but before that, they were pretty damn close to the Rangers’ mark. While I envy their fans right now, historically, there hasn’t been much to cheer for. Likewise for Boston, although at just under 40 years between Cups, I suppose it wasn’t so bad, right?

  59. Any Rangers “fan” that is content with this James Dolan and Glen Sather tenure is not a real fan.

  60. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Man, RE: Messier’s comments, who am I to say? He’s the man and he knows…

    BUT, how many of the 8-2 wins came against PO teams? Has he seen how this team (like others) is manhandled by Boston? Did he miss that game?

    Yes, Hank is playing really, really well. He IS the best in the game.

  61. Rangers outplayed Boston for long chunks of both losses. Bruins couldn’t handle their speed. Not saying they can beat Boston four of seven. IMO, they can’t. But I do think the Rangers have fared well against the better teams, by and large, this season.

  62. Best post of the year Carp!

    That post should be a ‘sticky’ all ‘fans’ should read daily…maybe they would enjoy life a bit more! TIP OF MY CAP!

  63. Carp, I’m as pozy as they come, and I agree with your statements on a season to season basis.

    However, I think Rangers fans are a bit more to be bitter since they have 4 Cups in 88 years, including several when there were only 6 teams. Meanwhile, the Devils have 3 in 34 and the Isles have 4 in 42.

    So I get both sides. I do think it’s unreasonable to expect a Cup every season, though.

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    And the guy who built most of the Blackhawks works in Florida. How are they doing?

  65. Great comment Carp. I agree. I’m a Yankees/Giants/Rangers fan. and have been since the mid 60s. I’ve live through droughts for each one of those teams. When I started following them, they all pretty much stunk. So I’m not one of those Yankees fans who say Championship or bust. To me, the 78-79 Rangers team holds a special place in my heart. Almost there with ’94. That year, a middling Rangers team most of the season STUNNED the heavily favored Isles. That was such a fun team to watch, Espo, the Maloneys, Gresch, Donnie Murdoch, Pat Hickey, and of course JD. Even Vickers and Tkachuk were still there from the early 70s teams. And I can still hear Jim Gordon and Bill Chadwick doing the games. But it was another “almost” for the Rangers, getting the Cup finals to lose to the dynasty Habs.

    The thing is, for a few years after you win, you get spoiled. You want it every year. But after awhile, when reality sets in, you realize how hard it is to get there, and you go back to being hopeful again. That’s why I am optimistic about this team and I get annoyed when people rip every little thing apart. I see a lot of that ’79 team in this one.

  66. Stranger Nation on

    IMHO, most distressing part of last 10 years is watching JD build competitive teams in two different cities, including one in our division now, while we have had Slatapus the Incompetent.

    BJs/Bruins series will be a war

  67. He definitely made some positive transactions in his short stint. He traded for Rask, signed Chara,and drafted Marchand and Lucic.

    Why don’t the Rangers promote Gorton to GM?

  68. That puck to the mouth isn’t going to be good for business. It’s not going to be good for anybody.

  69. I will skip this conversation. I’m miserable after opening night loss. I just want to get past 94. I’m starving for a title.

  70. As long as the Rangers win some playoff rounds in the next several decades, does it matter if it is 1 Cup in the last 123 seasons? sarcasm

  71. Here’s one thing I’m most excited about. IF (and yeah a big if) we get to the finals or win the Cup, what everyone’s reaction will be toward Slats. That’s going to be hard to imagine :) And if Richards has a hot playoffs?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’ve killed Slats plenty, especially through those terrible years before the first lockout. But when you realistically look at some of the trades and signings, it’s probably 50/50 good to bad. Probably about average for most GMs. Not great like guys like Holland, but average. Are NJ fans killing Lou over the plight of THAT team?

  72. Doodie Machetto on

    To ownership it doesn’t. And that’s what most fans tend to forget. Ownership doesn’t give a damn how many years it’s been since the last title. If the GM consistently brings in two rounds of playoff gates, there will be no complaints from the owner. Coaches get fired for that, not GMs.

  73. Ownership even gets to exploit the last cup for so many years! They can still sell Messier stuff and all that jazz.

  74. I love JD, he’s a good friend, and he’s done a wonderful job at both places — though he wasn’t the GM at either. But the Blues and Jackets have never won the Cup. So people here would think he sucked, too.

  75. I think Dolan is a much bigger problem for the Rangers (and Knicks) than Sather or anyone else running the teams. There’s a reason why they haven’t had a sniff since they’ve bought the teams. It’s what Doodie eluded to. This mentality that you HAVE to have playoffs every year. So you build to finish in the middle each year to get to the playoffs. They could NEVER let the Rangers become a bottom team and build from there. There’s no way they emulate what Pittsburgh or Chicago has done. That’s why the Rangers will NEVER be in position to draft a Crosby or Toews. And to maintain this they buy big name free agents whether they mesh with the team or not. Sather has to work under those constraints. It make for good business in that the seats are filled every night and the fans flock to those playoff games. But it’s no way to build a dynasty team. Hey, I think this year’s team might have a run in them and surprise people and that’s in spite of ownership, not because of it.

  76. Fans would never accept a total tear-down/rebuild. And there’s no guarantee that works — Tire Fires, and Edmonton as perfect examples.

    But, yes, Dolan is a major problem and going nowhere and so Sather is here for life. So deal with it.

  77. You can’t blame Dolan, Sather, et al for the failures, then give no credit if they have success.

  78. In the late 90s, the NYR were going to tear down/rebuild. Then they just had to have Gretzky. Then he retired and it was going to be a tear down/rebuild, but they got the idea to sign six free agents to try to buy a bridge to the rebuild. That blew up in everybody’s faces, as did the drafts of Malhotra, Lundmark, Brendl.

  79. Carp et al. How dare you introduce the concept of perspective? If the Rangers don’t make the finals this year, Sather should be fired. And if the Hawks and Bruins don’t get out of the first round, Quenneville and Julien should get the axe. If the Ducks or Penguins don’t win the Cup this year, shame on them — trade Getzlaf and Crosby. If Tampa or Montreal don’t make the final, heads should roll. And this has got to be Hitchcock’s last chance to get it done. If the Avalanche don’t perform, Roy will have been a flash in the pan. Blue Jackets don’t qualify, don’t let the door hit you on way out, Richards. And JD. OK, maybe we give Babcock one more year if the Wings falter. But who’s not tired of Sutter’s act? Pathetic. Only one team in 32 this year should merit any applause whatsoever. The rest are a bunch of losers.

  80. Since, I don’t know, the 1970s, the only Cup teams to do a complete tear down/rebuild that have won again are Pittsburgh, Chicago and Boston … and that took until very recently to complete for each. Montreal won a Cup in ’93, but never bottomed out first.

  81. I love this sport… the competition, passion, effort and character of the players and the team as a whole. I’m loyal to MY team regardless of who’s on it. For me each season starts with HOPE! For a team that will be competitive and try to win each and every game. I enjoy the journey that I agree to finish, knowing full well that I’ll probably be heartbroken at the end. However, my HOPE drives me to believe that somehow, despite the pitfalls and obstacles, we will persevere to stand alone at the top and revel in vanquished foes who valiantly tried to defeat us. So bring on the best opponents. There’s more glory in raising the cup bloody and wounded. I don’t want the easiest road but the path that will bring me the most satisfying victory. LGRs!!

  82. Rooting for laundry has always been a tricky business, especially these days, when players trade costumes every other day. Fans like to think people like Callahan bleed Rangers blue, but they don’t and never have. They want to play in the NHL, that’s all they want, and they want to do it for as long as they can. Period. LGcurrentR!

  83. Well said Heave Ho! You should be a poet :)

    Gravy, I agree with you. When you look at Sather, for every Holik, there’s a Dominic Moore. For every Dubi/Anisimov/et al for Nash, there’s Gomez for McD/Higgins etc. For all of those “trading away your youth” deals you have 30+ year old Gabby for three under 26 guys who all have been factors this season and have the potential to only get better. Some bad first round picks but you get Hank in round 7, Cally was what a 3rd or 4th rounder? Girardi was a free agent!! You’re gonna strike out on some and you’re gonna hit a HR. Early Sather was bad in that he finally had an owner willing to spend and he went on a shopping spree. Once he figured out that was stupid, he’s been reasonably successful.

  84. WOW! Sather stinks, Dolan Stinks, Nash can’t play ,he can’t skate, he’s to small, he’s to old, he’s got horse teeth! Good Lord, the Rangers passed on Gordie Howe when he was 17! They lost the Cup in overtime game 7 in ’50, Lost in the finals in’72 probably because of Ratelles broken ankle, went to the finals in ’79 and lost. Bingo in ’94! Great runs in ’97 and ’12. Ask the Cubs fans if they would take that. Approximately every 20 years in the finals, that’s what most said they would accept now. It’s because of that heartache most of cried when they won in ’94. Could management do a better job; sure but sometime the journey lets you appreciate the destination.

  85. _That puck to the mouth isn’t going to be good for business. It’s not going to be good for anybody_

    … unless you’re the dentist :)

    Many 5 out 5 dentist LOVE hockey!

  86. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I don’t even care if the rangers win so long as Brassard scores a lot of goals.

  87. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Not wax nostalgic here (everyone else is damnit) but,

    My favorite ranger teams were…

    ’94 cup
    94-95 (short season sadly)
    95-96 (little ball of hate awesome season)
    ’03-04 season (until slats ruined it at the deadline)

    I love the rangers, family were also nords fans until…well you guys know, Oakland raiders (no laughing), motocross, curling, France futbol, any team with Henry (hello red bulls), biathlon, cross country skiing, F1, hockey in general and futbol in general.

    I also like walks in the snow on moonlit nights, Cajun and québécois food, and flying military transport (I hate flying civilian airlines, camels, and soft hockey players)

  88. we got about 2″ of snow here in Denver last night.

    Good thing my buddy is driving us to the game.

  89. Carp – thanks for jumping in and stirring up a GREAT debate.

    I’m a fan of the game at ALL levels. Seriously, I truly love the game played by 10 year olds. In its purest form.

    Every season is a success in some way shape or form, it all depends what you are look for.

  90. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I also like buffalo and smoked salmon and beer from North Dakota…*IF* it hadn’t “apparently” been list in the mail! ;)

  91. I agree with that ref. Pathetically soft response by NYR & AV.

    McDonut is arguably NYR’s most important player! I know going after someone wont bring him back, but still, you have to send a message. Soft, soft, soft!

  92. The ’11-’12 seasons are even more fun, when they are over achieving, and you don’t “expect” them to win the cup.

    Do I think the Sioux will win the Frozen Four, when they started out at 4-9 this year. Not a chance, but here they are with a 1 in 4 chance, and a HOT goaltender.

    Very much like the Rangers this year, terrible start out on the road, but look at their road record NOW. Mind boggling to think they broke a franchise record after THAT start. Agree?

    Both teams have a GREAT goaltenders, and they have a chance to win. That’s all you can ask for as a true fan.

  93. And I agree with Doodie. I loved that 06-07 team. Jagr, Shanny, Nylander, Straka, Prucha, Cullen.

    I really thought they had a chance to go all the way. Almost beat the Baby Buffaloes until you know who ruined it.

  94. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    This part says it all

    So the second possibility is passive coaching and/or players who are not taking accountability for a teammate’s safety. People talk about the decline of the enforcer role in the game. OK, but if there are no enforcers, you had better show TEAM toughness with everyone taking responsibility for not letting the Alexandre Burrows’ of the world run your best defenseman when he’s vulnerable.

    Yes, I am fully aware that getting a fight instigation penalty in the final five minutes of a game could potentially get a one-game suspension. Standing up for a teammate is still paramount, however. Truly unified teams rally around one another when they need to.

  95. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Does the crazy amount of free agency movement (and to a lesser degree salary cap) inhibit team unification?

    Me thinks so!!

  96. Nothing like a FRIEND playing for your FAVORITE team.

    Only thing better is your son :)

  97. Steveknj, love your take on the ’79 team. I think we all have those — the team that crystallizes “Rangers” in our minds. Mine was the ’71s, and I guess I share that with many. The GAG line, Tkaczuk, Balon, captain Nevin, Irvine, the exotic [to me] ex-Wings Stemmer, MacGregor, Rolfe, Brown. Park, Horton, and the Chief; Seiling with his rainbow shots from center ice. Giacomin and Villemure, that triple-OT game… ’94 was out of control, but I was too old by then to love that team as I did the ’71s. So I’ve never thought it’s all about the Cup, but then again I grew up with the Horace Clarke Yanks and Homer Jones Giants. Didn’t like basketball, unfortunately, so learned to love teams for other than rings.

  98. Wicky, FA may have some impact on that, but I still think players are who they are. Prust played that way from the beginning. Dubinsky took lessons from the team’s enforcers to try to learn how to fight. You either have the personality to engage or you don’t.

  99. Stranger Nation on

    _also like walks in the snow on moonlit nights, Cajun and québécois food, and flying military transport (I hate flying civilian airlines, camels, and soft hockey players)_

    what’s up with the camel hate?

  100. ’06 was a fun year for the Cup. I was surprised when Cullen brought it home to Fargo. We all got our pictures with it golfing, took it to the silent auction EVERYONE that was there got to see it up close and personal. Dancing with the Zamboni’s playing hockey songs.

    I think that is what made the Rangers ’06-’07 Rangers year so much fun. Sather gave Matt a very nice contract, and everyone around here had an interest in “my” team.

  101. Stranger Nation on

    _This is exactly what should have been done_

    enjoy when El Zotto comes over at the end and paws at him and then asks for his mom’s chicken salad recipe.

  102. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    They are mean, nasty, they bite, spit, kick, and stink!

    Maybe we need a couple of camels on the rangers.

  103. at the very least
    i want a team that contends every year
    and doesn’t barely make its way into the playoffs
    each year.
    and out of that contending
    at some point that team should win the Cup.
    that’s pretty much the definition of a modern day
    because the previous definition of winning in consecutive years is not possible

  104. @NYRangers

    #NYR practice update from Denver: Ryan McDonagh not practicing. ..John Moore paired with Dan Girardi..All lines and pairings remain the same

  105. LOVED the 11-12 team because it over-achieved
    and it was a nice feeling to watch a game
    and know that not only will they play hard but
    there was a good chance they would win a game.
    i sense that with top teams such as Ducks, Blackhawks, Sharks, Blues, Avs…..who even when down a goal or two are able to turn it on, come back and win

    still not sure what to think of this Rangers team…..
    roller coaster
    for sure

  106. To the blood lust of the moment, I quote ‘notsofast’ from yesterday: “to those of us on the Other Side, I liked Big Hits when young and stupid and shallow; I was young and stupid and shallow WAY TOO LONG.” Sometimes on this blog (and elsewhere) it seems as though the vigilante aspects of hockey are all that matter. I think that the NHL feeds on that — as long as the lust for vengeance predominates the fan base is as long as we’ll have the Burrowses of the world getting away with the crap from the other night. All you have to do is suspend him and his money until it hurts and he stops. But, no, even ex-referees note without irony that they would prefer enforcers — saves them from having to do their jobs.

  107. JPG @1:28………the link to Paul Stewart’s commentary in Hockey Buzz re: the Burrows hit on McDonough is a must read, written by a former player / former referee who has been in the trenches, in the locker rooms, understands the culture and code of the game. Stewart isn’t shy about asking and answering the most critical questions. Why did the Ranger team not respond?

    Over and over again this season, the Ranger team has refused to protect its star player. Why? Stewart, ultimately holds the Coach accountable, and it’s pretty hard to argue that he shouldn’t be.

  108. all the vengeance in the world — if somebody had beaten Burrows to a bloody pulp — does not change the hit on McDonagh, nor does it prevent the next one.

  109. As a few of you know, I’m not a fan of fans. Increasingly.
    Not a fan of my fandom when I was younger (though I never spent a dime on pro sports or some knucklehead’s jersey).

    But I enjoyed some of this testimony today: jmb, steve, heaveho, even Wacky!

    Process guy here. Enjoyed ’94, but too many accidental Pocklington Hessians for me to think of it as a Ranger cup.
    Still waiting for one of those. 11-12 was the best, for process, though I am not one who thought that team was close to Cup – struggles against 8, then 7, then 6th seeds says more to me than “six games from Cup!”

    I gotta confess, as Bulldog and others suggest, I’ve gotta remind myself that Glen hasn’t been godawful, just never anywhere near imaginative excellence.

    As for champ hunger, I thought the Gs shoulda dismantled that roster right after the last Lombardi, and TC and others shoulda ridden into the sunset, let a few other squads taste the goods while they patiently rebuilt.

    Disagree with Carp that you can’t rebuild in NY. With the right front office, a good plan, and very good communication with your fan base, it can be done. But NY front offices, on the whole, have been uninspiring, to be generous. in my long life.

    And Dude’s right: the 40-win thing is nice, but not all that hard. And how many years have Ramgers won more than a round this century? Two?

  110. notsofast, I think you can. I just don’t think it will go over very well, especially considering how many fans jump ship with virtually every opposition goal all season long.

  111. Time for AV to hang McDonughts jersey in the front of the lockerroom and tell everyman in the room, “this flag is your ticket to the promised land. if you have any desire to eventually get there, protect it at all costs.”

  112. There was nobody on the ice capable of beating the piss out of anybody. Would have been nice if somebody tackled him, though, got in his grill. And if, say, Girardi instigates a fight, that’s an automatic suspension. Still, his reaction was again regrettable. Just like the weak leg slash he gave the guy who concussed Moore.

  113. And this is the second time this season that this has happened. Stuart elbowed Nash, *NO RESPONSE*

    And the fugged up part is, the game was 7-2, at least. Maybe 9-2. Hertl used that circus shot, and embarrassed NYR even more.

    Still, no response. Sickening!

    Whether they are winning or losing, they allowed their most important guys to get destroyed without doing a single fuggin thing!

  114. not only the attendance, Gravy, but look how quickly their fanbase — deservedly because of the Wilpons, I agree — got completely impatient with the rebuild process.

  115. To be honest, I barely watch the Mets during the summer. I watched Harvey’s games when I could. Too much other stuff worth my time to do. On the other hand, I rarely miss a Rangers game.

  116. ORR, I mostly agree, but I think there’s a time and a place. You’re in the middle of a playoff race, so even a 1 or 2 game suspension can be costly. Couple that with now McD and Girardi missing, and you may be giving up points that you need.

    But, I would have liked to have seen a better response.

  117. What prevents the next one is not people like Stewart understanding the culture of the game, but someone with some balls CHANGING the culture of the game. Way to back your refs, NHL — game misconduct, no suspension for repeat offender who will do it again the first chance he gets. But the NHL is determined to hold on to its second-tier pro sport status with its continued insistence that unnecessary violence is “part of the game”. The NFL gets it — throw a punch and you’re out. There’s plenty of “legal” rough stuff on the ice as it is, but that Bertuzzi still plays in the league tells you all you need to know about its cowardice.

  118. Sure would have been nice to see at least a face wash.

    But Nothing, natta, zilch, makes one a little sick.

  119. Bertuzzi should have sat until Moore came back. Even if it was the rest of his career.

  120. So true about the Mets, Gravy. Last year Harvey starts were the only things worth watching. This year it will be Wheeler. Not much else matters.

    Wilpons are really good at sucking hope dry.

  121. Douglas Murray, clear head shot, 3 games. Wimpy, wimpy, wimpy NHL. Blame the GMs and Governors, but the commish could take a stronger stand, no?

  122. Very Wimpy. Yes they should.

    I’m sure they will wait until HaGOONalin has a monster hit.

  123. Rob in Beantown on

    For the legitimately clueless, what does that even mean? Out of shape? Unfocused? Shows up late? I don’t get it.

  124. Rob in Beantown on

    New York Rangers @NYRangers
    #NYR Injury Update: AV says @RMcDonagh27 is day to day…”don’t think it’ll be long”

  125. Vigneault says “hopefully Miller will figure it out…if not he will be a good minor league player.

    See, he should have stayed in School, and learned somethings :)

  126. Carp @ 2:15 couldn’t disagree more. But we have always disagreed on this particular topic.

    I believe it’s known throughout the league that McDonugh can be targeted. Have you watched the games? McDonugh is always on his own. You’ll never convince me that beating an opposition player into a bloody pulp for a similar predatory transgression against McDonugh wouldn’t serve a purpose in the future.

    The Rangers are a team comprised of players who refuse to defend their best players.

    For every action contemplated, there is a potential deterrent which may serve to prevent the occurrence of that action. The Rangers have no deterrent. Their Coach has not mandated that as a team, they should.

  127. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I think it may help prevent the next one depending on who the perp is

  128. Rob, let’s just say that of all the people trying to make the team, there was only one who didn’t arrive early, and apparently didn’t arrive in very good shape, and he was a rookie with a chance to make it. Not sure what’s transpired since, but Miller was god-awful last game in the coaches’ minds.

  129. I did get a kick out of this one:


    @imacVanSun Burrows can always hire a bodyguard with the 6 Million Dollars he is stealing from the Canucks this season!

  130. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’m a libra from Brooklyn NY, and I’m trying to find the essence from within

    Roam around the world….

  131. Doodie Machetto on

    500 tweets from Rangers fans in addition to 500 tweets from Canucks fans every day telling him same thing.

  132. Carp, please don’t be sorry.

    But I’m curious, why John Scott? If you think I’m advocating for a goonery, I’m not.

    Why do you feel the responsibility should always revert to a specific player or “goon”?

    Why can’t it be all for one and one for all?

  133. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Heave Ho@12:36, AWESOME!!

    Agreed, Brutha!! Every season starts with such hope!! And then the drama unfolds.

    Look, we can all differ on how we feel about Sather, Dolan, overall management, players, effort, skill, whatever. But what unites all of us here is that we are the diehard live, eat, breathe fans of The New York Rangers and hockey!!!

    Say it again…….LGR!! LGR!!!

    And thanks to Carpy and everyone here for providing such a great forum!

  134. Maybe, just maybe, AV can pull up the goal scorer for Kreider’s slot for a couple of games.

    There’s always hope.

  135. Stranger Nation on

    _”hopefully Miller will figure it out…if not he will be a good minor league player.”_

    getting cold in here…there were whispers, some not so soft, about attitude and conditioning before.
    Head Case? I thought THE was the one with the questionable noodle

  136. Burrows is getting death threat from Ranger fans?

    Too bad no Ranger player felt that inspired.

  137. Doodie Machetto on

    For all of the Torts hates Kreider talk from last year, this is much, MUCH worse than anything Torts ever did.

  138. Heave Ho – Hands down one of the best post I’ve EVER read on this Blog.

    I love this sport… the competition, passion, effort and character of the players and the team as a whole. I’m loyal to MY team regardless of who’s on it. For me each season starts with HOPE! For a team that will be competitive and try to win each and every game. I enjoy the journey that I agree to finish, knowing full well that I’ll probably be heartbroken at the end. However, my HOPE drives me to believe that somehow, despite the pitfalls and obstacles, we will persevere to stand alone at the top and revel in vanquished foes who valiantly tried to defeat us. So bring on the best opponents. There’s more glory in raising the cup bloody and wounded. I don’t want the easiest road but the path that will bring me the most satisfying victory. LGRs!!

    I could put this on my tombstone.


    Forever the Fighting Siouxperman

  139. Papa, I think there MUST be all-for-one, as in ’11-12. MUST. I don’t think that prevents anything whatsoever. But it’s something you need to have.

  140. I love Miller’s game, but he (and Kreider) still make a lot of rookie mistakes in their coverage and decision-making, and you can only send them down repeatedly when they’re young. All you can do with vets is bench them, which often backfires.

  141. Torts never hated Kreider.

    Kreider wasn’t close to ready, and the expectations were ridiculous.

    and for stretches this season he has played as if he’s still not ready.

  142. A good coach, though, will get that message across to the kid. Torts did with Kreider. I dont know if AV has with Miller. I still think both have a chance to be very good NHL players, Kreider possibly much better than very good.

  143. Stranger Nation on

    The Mets are a very bad example. They are going through a rebuild…right now! It is YEAR 6 OF A SUB .500 TEAM
    They have the 5th lowest payroll in the NL thanks to Freddie Coupon and his ‘made-off’ millions. They will probably have the same attendance this year as last three which ~ 2.2MM.
    But this is NYC where they have a Cable TV deal paying them along with the national MLB monies.
    At least Dolan spends the money…

  144. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, I’m not saying he did, just saying that a lot of people on this blog did.

  145. I always though the way Torts treated THE was fair. I thought AV sending him to the AHL to start the season was also fair.

    I’m not as sold on him as everyone else is. He has a ton of potential, but still has a long way to go.

  146. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, is Edmonton Tire Fire West or is that Vancouver? Can Vancouver be Tire Fire West and Edmonton be Tire Fire North? Because holy crap, what a tire fire in Vancouver right now.

  147. Doodie Machetto on

    Kreider is not a heady player. Just raw physical talent. He doesn’t think the game at an NHL level, though.

  148. Only a few things that I need to enjoy a hockey season:

    1. My team gives 100%, win, lose, or (draw?)
    2. That we are not embarrassed by a lack of effort, grit.
    3. That we find our way into the playoffs and, at the very least, are a tough out.
    4. That the players stick up for one another and that management addresses weaknesses.

  149. Miller is 21, Kreider is 22.

    THE KREIDER had 3 years at Boston College, under one of the best coaches in the NCAA, along with 3 solid years to get bigger and stronger. It shows.

    Miller took the fast track. Cut 2 years off his ELC. So he is still a full year behind THE.

    Lots of time to improve, to get smarter & stronger.

  150. I think you can’t rebuild with every team in NY but you can with the Rangers and you know why? Because the core fan base is loyal and this being hockey, there aren’t as many bandwagon riders unless the team is in the finals. Look at what happened after the first lockout when so many guys were purged and how excited we’ve all been when our younger guys do well. Develop a young, energetic, up tempo team with a rising superstar you drafted yourself and your fanbase will stick with you. I’d be up for 3-4 years of rebuilding, if it meant the team improved each year until they were at the top level every year for 4 or 5 after. Think of why we love ’11-12. It was mostly home grown guys that were the core, or at least the most popular guys. But, at a certain point you have to say, we have our young core, lets bring in the last piece. Unfortunately management thought the last piece was Richards!

    Norm, I was only 11 in ’71 but I started following about that time, so I know all those players. Love Park and Ratelle and Gilbert and Eddie/Gilles in goal. The other thing about ’79 was that it was the year I snuck into the Nassau Coliseum to watch the Rangers demolish the NYI with my friend the Islander fan while I was at Hofstra. Good times!

  151. eddie eddie eddie on

    Sioux – I thought miller was 20 yrs old…don’t feel like checking…

  152. I like Miller, but he’s still a kid. A lot of players who were always stars before they turn pro and don’t have to put a lot of effort into it, are like that. They don’t realize how hard it is to stay in the big leagues. I’m glad AV dressed him down a bit. He’s got talent, but you need more than raw talent to stay in the NHL.

  153. Does anyone really trust Sather to rebuild a team? And the key comment, steve, is that they become a top level team. What if they become the Oilers, Islanders, Panthers, etc. who seem to be perpetually rebuilding because they can’t get it right?

    And, in a sense, they went through their “rebuilding” period when they missed the playoffs seven straight years. They didn’t wind up drafting top-end talent in the early rounds, but they did acquire/build a decent core of players since then.

  154. Wow, I’m missing some good hockey discussion today, dammit!

    My take on team toughness, I agree with Stewart. I always learned- you defend your teammate first, you think later. It’s a mindset. And while I agree with Carp that having somebody tough won’t prevent a cheap artist to do their stuff, but it will prevent some of them. And it will prevent some teams from having that as their strategy if they know the Rangers will fight back. I don’t think Kopecky will be punching anyone in their back when Rupp is on the ice.

    But most importantly, it goes a long way in team togetherness. Long way. One of many reasons they got 109 points in 2011-12.

    You have to have the right personnel to do it, though.

  155. Though it’s rarely mentioned anymore, JT Miller has a rep, deserved or undeserved, going way back into his youth of being uncoachable and problematic. Sure, he gets lost away from the puck too often, as does Kreider, but I’d rather see either one of them, or both, than Richards.

  156. ex-ref Paul Stewart couldn’t stick in the NHL, but was a tough mama jamma throughout his career.

  157. Eddie his Bday is 3/14.

    So he’s 2 hockey years behind.

    But at least he can have a beer in a bar, for what that’s worth.

  158. inthearmsofbrianboyle on

    What I do like:

    – Bigfoot reaching 100 points.
    – My favourite countryman earning a spot on my favourite hockeyteam. #36
    – Ilb – speaking a lot of sense re cups an runs. Way to go doc. You have my support. (Especially 11.28 – nailed it)

    What I don’t like:
    – Mashed potatoes
    – Spoiled footballfans (that’s soccer for you guys) who cry and whine and act like stingy bullies in the kindergarden whenever their teams are NOT on top of whatever.

  159. Gravy, not true at all. My friends and other islander fans that I have met are Yankees and Giants (football)
    fans. I was a met, jet, knick, rangers fan. The only sports I follow anymore are football and hockey, don’t care about baseball or basketball anymore.

  160. Coos – I’ve read that as well about Miller, so if he would let himself be coached, take the time to listen and learn he would be a blueshirt!

    I also think this message is a way to light a fire under him to train harder and *smarter*.

    He would have been a SIOUXper Star player for the Sioux, he will good player for the Rangers someday, just not today.

  161. Skimming, it looks like no one has figured this out yet so I’ll let you know whats up. If making something preposterous up in your head and wondering if people will only read what you bold and below it leads to 100% certainty, *I’M 100% CERTAIN THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED WITH J.T. MILLER* …

    Brad Richards pretended he was going to take Miller under his wing and invited him out for dinner. He told J.T. stories about being young in Tampa and how it was the best time of his life and how you want to embrace your youth and live it up. He was buying J.T. shots while doing shots of water himself. The next day at practice, J.T. was predictably hungover. Richards went to Vigneault and said he tried to talk some sense into the kid but Miller told him to “screw off, (he was) going out to get super-duper drunk”. Miller got sent down and the front office decided they can’t buy out a leader like Richards, especially when the would-be replacement top 9 center is too immature to step right in.

    Wow, right? Minds blown?

  162. Stranger Nation on

    Problem with learning in the NHL is the coach needs and wants to win; development is for the minors/AHL, no moral victories with the big boys.

    Perennial door mats/tire fires are always having the ‘kids’ learn on the big stage. Very hard to do.

    Torts, to his credit, wanted to implement a system top to bottom; draft – minors – pros, but it wasn’t pretty enough for Slatsko, so we are back to Marcel Dionne and Guy LaFluer (I mean) Brad Richards and Marty St. Louis

  163. Miller has 4pts in 26 games last year, and 6pts in 30 games this year. Playing for the Blueshirts, but keeps getting sent down.

    Here’s were I think Kreider/McDonagh/Stepan/Boyle/St.Louis/D.Moore/Hagilen route helps a player when they are 18-20 years old.
    It gives you more time to grow into an NHL player, than just throwing them out there to learn by fire. Yes you have 4 days of practice with 2 game days (Sunday off).
    This allows the player to be coached more, and get stronger. It also lets them dominate the game more, playing with kids closer to the same age.

    We shall see if Miller makes the team next year. I guess.

  164. I don’t mind that Sather is signing a few NCAA guys. The are bigger, a little older, and are ready for the next step. Their goals and stats don’t jump off the page when they only play 35-40 games per year.

    Of course, he has no choice, when he trades them all away :)

  165. JT Miller’s incentive to listen to coaching: $70 grand at Hartford, $925 grand at MSG.

  166. SO, I BLAME the *Rangers* in his development.

    Had they said, stay with the Sioux for 2 years, he would have.

    Sather would have had 2 extra years, on his ELC. Money saved, wiser cap management, with a “smarter” player.

  167. Coos – that’s what I’m saying, he will move on to another team, then start lighting it up.

  168. The Pack sign two college Players to ATO’s. Miller gets sent down to play with older players :)

    Even more competition to play against.

  169. Coos @ 3:45…..

    I’m with ya all the way!

    I think 95% of hard core fans would agree.

  170. Just responding to some comments earlier – it’s funny that people hold up Pittsburgh and Chicago as ‘great’ rebuilding stories. But if you were fans of those franchises prior to their recent runs, you’d have been even more pissed at ownership and management.

    I lived in Pittsburgh in the early 2000s and fans were irate that ownership couldn’t afford to keep their stars. Lemieux is no saint, regardless of how it’s portrayed now, if they had gone bankrupt he would have kissed $34m goodbye – he had no choice but to become an owner. Let’s also not forget how lucky Pittsburgh was winning the 2005 draft lottery, without Crosby how successful would their ‘rebuilding’ have been? Even with him, Malkin, Fleury, Staal they’ve only got one Cup.

    Chicago was an equally bad situation for fans prior to their recent run. Worst franchise in sports according to ESPN in 2004. They traded away Chelios, Belfour and Roenick. You couldn’t even watch home games on TV due to Bill Wirtz. Chicago was a mess.

    Carp’s statement regarding rebuilding is spot on, it’s no guarantee (ala Islanders, Edmonton) and NY fans would never tolerate the crappy years that Pittsburgh and Chicago had prior.

  171. RFA – so he will get is 1’st one way contract. He’s earned it, as the leading goal scorer for the PACK.

  172. Good evening all! Late to the past few days’ party, but whatever….All I’ll add to the McDonut story is he better heal fast!!! Man, we’ve been relatively lucky with injuries lately…

    I want to avoid Boston at all costs, and hope someone can take them out. A girl can hope…LGR! What else have I missed?

  173. Dalton Gang: Important Tactical Meeting this evening to discuss on-ice timidity, UP WITH WHICH WE WILL NOT PUT, followed by scones and a spot of tea.

  174. Colorado should not be allowed to be 2 hours behind us! If Governor Cuomo had any balls, he would take action on this.

  175. Stranger Nation on

    You want a donkey’s attention, you bring a pole down between his ears.

  176. Doesn’t that hurt? Not unless you get your thumb caught between the wood and the donkey’s head.

  177. Stranger Nation on

    The world ends when you’re dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man — and give some back.

  178. Only three hours until game time. While we wait, Nash, hags and Carcillo in search of Denver’s finest “Bake”rys.

  179. Carp!!! So funny….today NY Daily News ran exact same story on McDonut on two facing pages….but each story had game tonight starting at different times…oops!

  180. Stranger Nation on

    Change ain’t lookin’ for friends. Change calls the tune we dance to.

  181. Mac learned well how to become a shut-down defenseman long before he expanded his game to the O zone. John Moore, take notice.

  182. I don’t get it. If you believe in Predestination, why not do whatever you want since you’re going to heaven anyway?

  183. Stranger Nation on

    Nasher locked in hotel room binge watching “Always Sunny” scarfing down gummy bears bought from local emporium.
    Hags wandering around city streets aimlessly while eating swedish fish and show tunes
    Carcillo is drinking a red bull, smoking a blunt and throwing pebbles out his window on to a busy sidewalk.

  184. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz, papa, SNation – the Gang is Riding at sundown. Goin to a brothel. Wear tight pants.

    Tea and scones for all.

    Pinkies up (and I don’t mean spauldings)

  185. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Brassard needs to score tonight given he’s put the team on his shoulders…

  186. Only an old Brooklyn kid would equate pinkies with Spauldings. Haven’t heard that in ages.

  187. Stranger Nation on

    Ex3 – the Lion sleeps tonight, the elephant is off the table and we are ready to move the herd west.

  188. Eddie – I’m looking forward to Pot Roast, fresh baked bread, and a bottle of wine. While I watch the Rangers Route the AVS.

    Perhaps a little Parise vs Toews (minus the Toews) action before the Rangers.

    Let’s Go RANGERS!!!

    Have a Siouxper night.

  189. I’m a Frisbeetarian. We believe that at death, the soul flies to the top of the roof and is stuck there through eternity.

  190. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Sioux, SN, Kooz, papa – yeeeeee hawwwwwwww

    Norm – you want to join us? We ride at 10. Under the moonlight sonata.

  191. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Seedub – saddle up…get yo spurs on. It’s time for the men folk to get all dusty Springfield

    Son of preacher man, yes he was, he was..

  192. ‘And I turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole,
    No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried.
    Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied
    That leaves only me to blame ’cause Mama tried.’

  193. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Pinky balls excellent for stoop ball and punch ball. You guys ever play bottlecaps? Loved melting crayons into those as a kid….And of course opening the Johnny pumps in summer..

  194. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Dalton Gang Rides Again. Alias Smith and Jones ain’t got nut-in on us…

  195. Off to choir. Hope to return in time to see rangers confronting the avalanche. With shovels.

  196. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cowboy Neal at the wheel on a bus to never-ever land comin comin comin around comin around in a circle.

  197. E3, is it ten your time or mine ?because it’s 4:20 now and I might be a bit late.

  198. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Just shoved a wad of chew between cheek and gum. Now I need to spit.

    Let’s go Rangers

  199. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    4:20? Time to unholster my water -pistol- bong in order to get my mind right.

  200. one beer before the game won’t hurt….. at least it won’t cost $7. Im sure its gone up…..

  201. 2025 – all Ranger tickets will be $750 and up and can be purchased through Morgan Stanley website.

  202. Stranger Nation on

    Judge Smails: You’ll get nothing, and like it!

    Spalding Smails: Turds.

  203. Stranger Nation on

    Judge Smails: Spaulding, get dressed you’re playing golf.
    Spalding Smails: No I’m not grandpa I’m playing tennis.
    Judge Smails: You’re playing golf and you’re going to like it.
    Spalding Smails: What about my asthma?
    Judge Smails: I’ll give you asthma.

  204. “Oh, this your wife, huh? A lovely lady. Hey baby, you must’ve been something before electricity.”

  205. Lacey: “My uncle says you’ve got a screw loose.”
    Ty: “Your uncle molests collies.”

  206. “It’s easy to grin
    when your ship comes in
    and you’ve got the stock market beat.
    But the man worthwhile
    is the man who can smile
    when his shorts are too tight in the seat”.

    “Okay, pookie. Do the honors.”

  207. That’s a pretty strong comment by AV about Miller. Never heard him say anything like that before.

    For AV to come out that harshly makes me believe Miller did something recently to really piss him off.

    Anything you can dig up Carp?

  208. Prediction: Gillis is going to get fired and Torts is going to stay coach of the Canucks!

  209. That’s a great article by Paul Stewart!

    Cowardice! Burrows is a notorious cheap shot artist!

  210. I feel really bad for Gillis if the owners forced him to hire a guy like Tortorella. They could try Gulutzan as head coach and keep Tortorella as associate and see if that works out.

  211. There’s a reason for my user name…

    This team is not that far away from being able to compete for a Cup and does not need a tear-down and rebuild. However, it is, and has been, missing a major component which has been lacking for a long while. This missing ingredient is the reason for the lack of responses to: McDonough’s hit, snow showers to our King or opposing players skating by our bench asking ”
    What are you going to do about it?”.

    What’s missing is LEADERSHIP. There’s a reason we don’t have a Captain but rather three alternates. I can hear the cries of “We had a Captain. We shouldn’t have traded Callahan!” But, what if Callahan wasn’t the right Captain for this team? As much as I’m not a fan of BR’s public comments about Callahan, what if he had a point about
    Cally’s leadership? What if he would have made a better Alternate supporting someone else who would have been more vocal and able to bring everyone together as a TEAM? Could that have been part of the organization’s decision to trade one Captain for another? Is the organization hoping that MSL, with his reputation and the lessons learned from his previous experience winning the Cup, would arrive and assume the Captaincy, a role that this team desperately needs filled?

    When the Rangers acquired Messier they weren’t just getting a great player, they got “The Captain” which proved to be the biggest part of that acquisition. Without Messier, Leetch never wins the Conn Smyth.

    Right now when something like McD’s hit occurs everyone is looking at everyone else. NO ONE STEPS UP. We don’t need a goon. We need someone to step forward and boldly declare “Follow me boys!” Someone willing to not only do it on the ice but in the locker room and in front of the Press. The answer clearly isn’t Richards, Nash, Stall or Girardi and AV shouldn’t be a surrogate for it. It has to be a player on the ice. The only thing I’m sure of is that this team needs someone to rally around and lead. The bell is ringing.

    To those who commented on my earlier post, thanks!

  212. I think if Zucc actually saw what happened live he would have went after Burrows in a second. As you can see, Zucc didn’t react right away and then went after him, prompting the ever reluctant Girardi to get involved too.

  213. Rumor: Miller caught “hanging out” with both of AV’s daughters at a Hartford mall.

  214. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Heave ho: In a perfect world, swap Richards for Lucic and trade Stepan for E Kane and a pick

  215. Stranger Nation on

    Heave Ho!
    Great post; earlier today I referenced JD’s work in St Loo and Lumbus as admirable for me as much for their character and leadership than their accomplishments. He understands that you bring players of character who want to lead and be led. To lead, one must first follow.
    While Cally may or may not have been the ideal leader for this team. A roster of Richards, Nash, Staal, et al is not an easy group to lead. Cally lead by example and not too many followed his lead.

  216. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ben Brassard Zucchini
    MSL Moore Nash
    Lucic Miller Kane
    Dorsett Boyle Car Bomb

  217. Stranger Nation on

    In a perfect world, trade back Callahan and two number 1 pick for St. Louis. What dumbarse would make that deal???

  218. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    SN – I think MSL will be a major scoring machine this second season…

  219. E3, Lucic in particular seems to be that rare player that not only has skills but inspires other players to want to be better and consequently are better. We need a player with that strong WILL.

    BTW, you crack me up! Always enjoy your unique and creative humor. Would love to share a pint or two with you someday.

  220. The thing about MSL vs. Callahan is very simple.

    In order for the Rangers to get past Pittsburgh or Boston, they need offense and despite MSL’s fluky scoring drought, he is a far superior offensive player to Callahan.

    How many times has Hank kept us in playoff games only to lose in OT or late in the third b/c we simply couldn’t finish????

  221. “SN – I think MSL will be a major scoring machine this second season…”

    keep smoking whatever you are smoking.

  222. Stranger, agreed. You also had an earlier post that I fully agreed with but can’t remember the content at this moment. Did you comment on Bertuzzi?

  223. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Heave ho – thank you mate…I’m raising a glass as I type….re: Lucic – he is also the type of player that I stills fearlessness in his mates. Players like Boyle, Nash, and Giradi grow bigger onions when a manbeast like Lou Chick are providing protection. I’d kill to have him on my team. That, and Hank is pretty…..

  224. Eddie, exactly right re: Lucic creating confidence and balls for teammates.

    If he were McDonughs teammate, Burrows would have been minus a few chicklets.

    Next guy who gets a chance to run McD, might consider the payment first.

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