Rangers at Hurricanes again (7 p.m.) … pre-game notes


Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

Tuesday, Mar. 11, 7:00 p.m. ET
PNC Arena – Raleigh, NC
Rangers: 35-26-4 (74 pts)
Hurricanes: 27-28-9 (63 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the Carolina Hurricanes at PNC Arena (7:00 p.m. — TV: MSG Network; Radio: ESPN 98.7), in their second meeting in five days. The Blueshirts currently rank second in the Metropolitan Division standings, and sixth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 35-26-4 (74 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Detroit Red Wings, 3-0, on Sunday at MSG, to sweep their season series (3-0-0). The Blueshirts have now registered a point in 15 of their last 21 games (14-6-1), and are 19-8-2 in their last 29. The Hurricanes enter the contest with a 27-28-9 (63 pts) record to rank 13th in the Eastern Conference, and have lost six of their last seven games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Minnesota Wild on Thursday, Mar. 13, at Xcel Energy Center (8:00 p.m.), in the first game of a back-to-back set.

All-Time: 64-48-7-2 overall (38-17-4-2 at home; 26-31-3-0 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the third of four meetings this season, and the second of two meetings at PNC Arena. New York is 2-0-0 (1-0-0 at home; 1-0-0 on the road), following a 4-2 win on Friday at PNC Arena. The Rangers have out-scored the Hurricanes, 9-3, in the series, including a 6-1 advantage in the third period. The Blueshirts’ power play is 2-8 (25.0%) in two games. Derek Stepan leads all skaters with four goals and five points, while Mats Zuccarello has tallied a series-high, four assists. Henrik Lundqvist is 2-0-0 with a 1.50 GAA and .942 Sv%.
Last Season: New York was 3-0-0 overall (1-0-0 at home; 2-0-0 on the road). Two of the three contests were decided by one goal, including a 2-1 shootout victory on Mar. 18 at MSG. The Rangers’ power play was 3-11 (27.3%) in the series, while the penalty kill was 9-10 (90.0%). Derek Stepan led all skaters in scoring with three goals and five points in three games, while Carl Hagelin tied for the series lead with three assists. Henrik Lundqvist was 3-0-0 with a 1.60 GAA and .950 Sv%.
• The Rangers enter the contest with a 10-game winning streak against the Hurricanes, including six straight wins at Carolina, and have out-scored the Hurricanes 40-19 during the streak
• The Blueshirts have allowed two goals or fewer in seven of the last nine games against the Hurricanes
• New York is 19-11-0 on the road; Carolina is 15-13-5 at home
• The Rangers are 12-10-3 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents; the Hurricanes are 11-9-1 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents
• New York lists no former Hurricanes on its roster
• Carolina lists two former Rangers on its roster: Radek Dvorak (1999-00 – 2002-03); Manny Malhotra (1998-99 – 2002-03)

• Henrik Lundqvist – 25 GP, 16-8-1, 1 SO, 2.20 GAA
• Martin St. Louis – 77 GP, 38-50–88
• Brad Richards – 55 GP, 15-34–49
• Derek Stepan – 13 GP, 7-6–13
• Ryan McDonagh – 11 GP, 2-5–7

• The Rangers power play is 5-21 (23.8%) in the last seven games
• Have tallied two or more power play goals in eight games this season
• Ranks fifth in the league in combined PP% + PK% (103.7%)
Power Play: The Rangers were 0-3 (5:24) on Sunday vs. Detroit. New York is tied for 10th in the NHL overall (42-210, 20.0%), and second on the road (24-94, 25.5%). The Rangers are 6-17 (8:07) in five-on-three situations (last – 3/7 at CAR), and 0-6 (6:56) when four-on-three (last – 1/19 vs. WSH). Shorthanded goals allowed (6): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read); 11/19 vs. BOS (Paille); 12/20 vs. NYI (Clutterbuck, PS); 12/20 vs. NYI (Grabner); 3/2 vs. BOS (Campbell).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 3-3 (5:24) on Sunday vs. Detroit. New York ranks ninth in the NHL overall (159-190, 83.7%), and is tied for 10th on the road (79-95, 83.2%). The Rangers are 4-7 (6:27) in three-on-five situations (last – 3/7 at CAR), and 6-8 (6:06) when three-on-four (last – 1/21 vs. NYI). Shorthanded goals for (6): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh); 12/27 at WSH (Hagelin); 1/19 vs. WSH (Callahan); 3/5 vs. TOR (McDonagh); 3/5 vs. TOR (D. Moore); 3/7 at CAR (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in one four-on-four situation (0:36) on Sunday vs. Detroit. The Rangers are now -1 in 72 four-on-four situations (115:54), and even in one three-on-three situation (1:03) this season. Four-on-four goals for (7): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard); 12/12 vs. CBJ (Girardi); 12/18 vs. PIT (Hagelin); 1/31 vs. NYI (Brassard); 1/31 vs. NYI (McDonagh); 3/7 at CAR (Nash). Four-on-four goals allowed (8): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes); 12/8 vs. WSH (Grabovski, PS); 12/18 vs. PIT (Sutter); 12/27 at WSH (Fehr); 1/6 vs. CBJ (Atkinson); 3/5 vs. TOR (Bozak).

Henrik Lundqvist registered his 300th career win with a 30-save shutout, the 49th of his career, in the Rangers 3-0 victory over Detroit on Sunday at MSG. He became the 29th goaltender in NHL history to reach the 300-win mark, and is one of six active goalies with at least 300 wins. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Lundqvist is the fifth fastest goaltender to record 300 wins (560 career regular season games). Lundqvist is now tied with Ed Giacomin for the franchise lead in career regular season shutouts (49), and is one win shy of Mike Richter’s franchise record 301 career victories.
The Rangers have swept the season series against the Hurricanes in each of the last two seasons, and enter the contest with a 10-game winning streak against Carolina. The Blueshirts have out-scored the Hurricanes, 40-19, during the streak, which began with a 4-3 shootout victory on Feb. 22, 2011 at Carolina. The Rangers have won five straight games against the Hurricanes at MSG, and have won eight of their last nine meetings in Raleigh with wins in each of their last six games at Carolina.

New York has won 17 of their last 22 contests on the road, including a six-game winning streak from Jan. 4 – Feb. 7. The Rangers also won six straight on the road from Oct. 26 – Nov. 23, marking the first time the Rangers posted two separate six-game winning streaks on the road in a season. The Blueshirts are now 19-11-0 on the road this season, which is tied for first in the Eastern Conference and second in the league overall (road wins). The Rangers’ power play ranks second in the NHL on the road (24-94, 25.5%).

Martin St. Louis made his Rangers debut on Wednesday vs. Toronto after being acquired from Tampa Bay earlier in the day. He is currently tied for sixth in the NHL in goals (29), 13th in points (62), eighth in power play goals (nine), 20th in power play points (19), 27th in assists (33), and ranks third among league forwards in average ice time (21:33). St. Louis recorded his first point as a Ranger with a power play assist on Friday at Carolina, and has now registered 24 points (12 goals, 12 assists) over his last 23 games.

Rick Nash notched his 20th goal of the season in the Rangers 4-2 win on Friday at Carolina. He has tallied at least 20 goals in each season since his rookie year in 2002-03 (17 goals), and is the only player in the NHL with an active streak of 10 straight 20-goal seasons.

Ryan McDonagh enters the contest with a four-game point streak (three goals, two assists), which began with a career-high, three-game goal streak. He notched a shorthanded goal in consecutive games on Mar. 5-7, to become the first Rangers player to record a shorthanded goal in consecutive games since Michal Rozsival on Nov. 17-19, 2007. McDonagh has also tied Brian Leetch’s single-season franchise record for most shorthanded goals by a defenseman with three shorthanded goals this season.

• Henrik Lundqvist – Has held opponents to two goals or less in 12 of his last 17 games (12-4-1, 2.00 GAA, .933 Sv%, 2 SO), and is 14-5-2 in his last 21 (2.17 GAA, .928 Sv%, 2 SO)
• Derek Stepan – six-game assist/point streak (one goal, eight assists), and 17 points (four goals, 13 assists) in the last 16 games
• Ryan McDonagh – four-game point streak (three goals, two assists)
• Martin St. Louis – 24 points (12 goals, 12 assists) in his last 23 games
• Brad Richards – seven points (three goals, four assists) in the last 10 games
• Dominic Moore – three points (one goal, two assists) in the last three games

• Dominic Moore – 1 point from 200th NHL career
• Brian Boyle – 3 points from 100th NHL career

INJURIES (102 Man-Games Lost):
• None

• Mar. 5 – Acquired Martin St. Louis from Tampa Bay in exchange for Ryan Callahan, a 2nd round pick in 2014 and a 1st round pick in 2015
• Mar. 5 – Acquired Raphael Diaz from Vancouver in exchange for a 5th round pick in 2015
• Mar. 5 – Assigned J.T. Miller to Hartford (AHL)

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  1. Good morning Carp! A nice winning streak would be good, lets start tonite. MSL should be rounding into form and Zuccs should be flying! LGR!

  2. Sioux-per-man on

    Morning Boneheads!

    Jimbo – the early bird gets the worm! You win :)

    CARPe Diem Carpsters!!!

  3. Wonder if those three short handed goals were included in the power play stats listed above!;>)) Their power play does not seem to strike terror into the hearts of opposing coaches these days. Scary moment at the Stars game last night…glad all are ok.

  4. Good morning, boneheads!

    Sounds like Rich Peverley is going to be fine.

    And what happened in Vancouver last night? Geez…

  5. bull dog line on

    the power play changed for the worse when they removed Kreider from it right before the olympics. I am sure it will be fine soon, because Pouliot is still on it and he is having a great year. that is according to the posters that are not simpletons.

  6. Good Morning, gentlemen,

    Who’s ready to watch a winnable game that’ll certainly be a loss?

    You just KNOW these no-talents will dogs-breakfast-it-up and lose this match.

  7. Carp, a question on Special K, while I agree with your assessment on his play away from the puck and penchant for the ill-timed penalty, do you think its from trying to fit in rather than stand out? Is this a by-product of Torts disdain for him or immaturity ( not age, icetime )? From my tv viewpoint he seems verbally and physically engaged. I think Kreider is really a special talent and would hate to see him blossom somewhere else.

  8. Sioux-per-man on

    Jimbo I just think it’s ice time he gets caught out of place at times and takes a penalty. He’s at his best when he plays with a snarl and hits some people.

    He could grow into a great player, to bad you couldn’t give him two scoops of confidence right before each game, he’s a beast when he releases THE Kreider :)

  9. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – it’s an ALL STAAL game tonight!!!

    Rangers have a 10 game winning streak going against them

    Pimp is that a recipe for dogs breakfast :)

  10. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    One of those must win games against a lesser opponent. Hope Cam Ward does not play. If so, even more lesser.

  11. Before a trip to Minnesota and Winnipeg this us game I classify as must win. The canes are in free fall mode. Rangers play like they did Friday with chances the puck should go in know?

  12. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    Anyone else really like the balance of our 4 lines?

    We have not been able to roll 4 in years. We finally can.

    Of course, the only problem is size. We’re pretty good at everything else.

  13. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    There Ya go. It IS must win!!

    I do agree that Winnie is a big strong team. We don’t do those well.

    Minnie is tough as nails with vestiges of the Lemaire boredom game.

  14. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    Any team with Bryzgalov, however, can’t be taken seriously.

  15. Rich Peverley needs to put his career on hold and take a vacation in Turks and Caicos. ;)

  16. Stranger Nation on

    Canes are a lesser team?? Not too far behind us in standings. Let’s not wave any banners this season until it is over.

  17. I love that the Dallas GM has left the meetings to “be with his team”. I can imagine all these big hockey players hugging each other and the GM being the daddy of the group – its all right kids Richie will be OK!

    On a more serious note, Ruff said he regained consciousness after they defibrilated him and asked “how long left in the period” when he woke up! Got to love a hockey player!!

    I have a friend who has the same condition, we once had to retrieve him from the bottom of a swimming pool after he passed out whilst swimming and he was rescusitated by the lifeguard and rushed to hospital. Not sure if Peverley has a pacemaker or if he’s just on medication, but the pacemaker has kept my friend alive for the past 20 years.

  18. ThisYearsModel on

    When the Tire Fires scored 7 in the 3rd against Vancouver last night, the Vancouver radio guys called the team a “train wreck” and even better ” an Irwin Allen disaster movie.” All of the best writers are calling for Torts’ head today . His playing Lack instead of Luongo in the Heritag Classic appears to be the last straw with the players. I sure am glad we have AV.

  19. Sounds like Torts is going to be unemployed again. While still being paid. Remember that Vancouver has absorbed the rest of his salary due in NY on top of his regular contract.

  20. Man oh man that was a scary scene in Dallas last night. Glad Peverly is okay. Great work by the medical staff on both teams, and I think the NHL and everybody involved handled the situation well.

    On a lighter note, this morning as I was eating my breakfast (not dogs breakfast), I was watching ABC and the scroll on the bottom said Vancouver 3 Islanders 0. I come here, and I’m thinking “what does Vancouver have to be so angry about?” Guess I shouldn’t get my hockey scores from a channel associated with ESPN.

  21. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    If they’re speculating in Vancouver about firing the coach, someone better tell the owner.

    Unlikely with a 5 year deal 1/5th barely done.

  22. A friend and I were debating if the NFL cancels a game in that situation (or worse). We decided if they did, it would only because they calculated the increase in concession sales would trump any whining from typical NFL fans.

  23. SPM- I saw it somewhere that it was the owner who insisted on trading Luongo and also blocked Kesler’s trade. Was it LB who said it? Torts had his share of blunders in Vancouver too, though

  24. Philly would make room for Torts in a short order.

    Musky would have a team full of pitbulls, full of bark and bite! All Jammed together with missing teeth.

    That would make the Rangers/Flyers even BETTER!

    See you in 15.

  25. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Louongo forced that trade…when torts started lack in the outdoor game – it was the final straw for Roberto…that’s what is being reported…

  26. ThisYearsModel on

    Cannot blame the GM for trading Luongo when his coach is treating Luongo like a back up to the immortal Eddie Lack. Torts remains a spiteful jerk. There must be some kind of medication for him.

  27. ilb – I know, but what can Torts do about last night. Call a time out, pull the 3rd goalie in and put the 4th one in? Bark some more.

    He’s got a bunch of vets that are not stepping up, and shutting down the other team.

  28. ilb – I know, but what can Torts do about last night. Call a time out, pull the 3rd goalie and put the 4th one in? Bark some more.

    He’s got a bunch of vets that are not stepping up, and shutting down the other team.

  29. Hard to blame Luongo for wanting out given they’ve spent the last 2+ years trying to punish him for agreeing to the deal they signed him to.

  30. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Nucks fans call torts hockey “boring, unimaginative, unproductive”

    Never saw that coming (s)

  31. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Vancouver fans say Torts lost the room around game 40….must be an NHL record…

  32. Another Staal reunion tonight? Not sure Marc wants that reunion to become long term though, especially the way Carolina has looked last couple of years.

  33. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Unless Brooksie was stretching the truth in his column, sounds like Staal would like to stay here and wants to sign for long term. All that’s needed is fair terms. Can’t imagine much different than Girardi, risk is he has had 2 major injuries. Still, at his best, he is our 2nd best defenseman.

  34. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    It’s a matter of Sather blasting his way to the year 2014 and the salary cap. IF he has learned and IF he negotiates at the end of the season in earnest, Stall sounds like he’s there for the taking. He will be more inclined to leave the more prolonged it gets.

    Gee, where have we seen/heard that before?

    Has the most stubborn GM in hockey learned anything? Stay tuned.

  35. Staal should be getting in the region of Girardi’s contract, but in his case maybe add an extra year or two and give him the C

  36. I really hope they get Staal locked in this summer. I think he would/should be thrilled with a 5-6 year commitment from the orgazination considering his history. It’s definitely a risk, but we can only hope all the noggin issues are behind him.

    I think Staal would make a great Captain. The carrot dangling plus the years will hopefully get it done, assuming Sather doesn’t bungle the whole thing.

  37. I think we should wait until the deadline next year then trade Staal, along with whichever of our 1st or 2nd we have in 2015 plus our 2016 1st, for a 38 year old defenseman that improves the team in the short term.

  38. Robby Bonfire on

    On the video, above, what a fawning, stupid, asinine question from that reporter who wants to know if the Cally trade / MSL acquisition, “Puts the Rangers into the Stanley Cup picture?” This syrupy question was asked with the understanding that “The Slats” actually thought the Rangers were one upgrade body from winning it all when he pulled the trigger on his latest short-term patching P.R. stunt.

    A better question would have been: “Mr. Sather, when are you going to get off the pot and retire or die so that this organization can begin to move forward instead of in reverse gear?”

    Another better question would have been: “Mr. Sather, when are you going to stop signing deadbeat Free Agents of the Redden, Drury, Gomez, Richards ilk so that this team can promote, in timely fashion, the J.T. Miller’s and the Connor Allen’s of the world – you know, Rangers organizational guys who can actually make a positive contribution here for 1/10th the amount of money you are squandering on the fairy tale princesses of the world?”

  39. I know there’s a lot of talk about ‘Couva firing Torts and Gillis, but it seems most of the fans ire is falling on Gillis for his bumbling of the goalie trade situation and the fire sale/not a fire sale at the deadline.
    I’d expect some moves at the draft – Edler, Kesler, Bieksa, Burrows should all fetch something in return if they are finally going to have a rebuild year. Lets face it, they are going to have a high pick!

  40. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, if you can think of a defenseman that leads NHL defensemen in scoring this year at age 37, then that’s a good comparable.

  41. Carp – Have you ever fired a question like that to the brass, or is that suicide for a reporter?

  42. Ooooo, I found two, and both are closer to the D scoring lead than St. Louis is to Crosby. Marek Zidlicky or Andrei Markov for Staal, a 1st/2nd and a 1st. Get it done, Slats! Finishing touches!

  43. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, except St. Louis won the scoring title last year. That’s why I’m saying the D man has to be that good this year for us to trade for him next year.

  44. ps, does anybody really think this team would have a better record with Conor Allen and J.T. Miller playing regular shifts every game?

  45. I’m a fan of the trade, but losing a 1’st rounder every year isn’t going to help the team long term.

  46. Doodie Machetto on

    Conor Allen is nothing. And I like JT Miller, but it’s really hard to figure out where he is in this lineup if not on the 4th line. Maybe he takes Pouliot’s spot if he can play the left wing? But otherwise, he really just doesn’t fit in until Richards is gone and he can play 3C.

    Stepan-Brassard-Miller. Yup, we’re getting smoked next year.

  47. _Mister D, except St. Louis won the scoring title last year. That’s why I’m saying the D man has to be that good this year for us to trade for him next year._

    Well, Markov was 4th and didn’t have a Stamkos level player so that’s close enough for me. Markov over Zidlicky it is.

  48. No real interest in Allen, but its not impossible that Miller over Pyatt would have turned a 1 goal game in our favor or atleast stolen an OT point, right?

  49. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, I agree, I’m just saying that Pouliot it the worst of the top 9 forwards.

    Mister D, Markov is currently 12th, and he does have a Stamkos-level partner in PK Subban.

    Also more importantly, Markov wouldn’t instantly become our best defender.

  50. So are you thinking that maybe we should ask for a 6th or even conditional 5th coming back?

  51. right, Mister. Also not impossible that a Miller mistake might have turned a tied game into a loss, or a one-goal lead into an OT/shootout.

  52. NFL would never stop a game for that. Heck, they’ve had guys paralyzed on the field and the game went on.

  53. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, I get you’re trying to slam the trade, but aside from the 2015 1st (which is absolutely terrible), it’s a pretty damn good trade. We got the best player, with term at a reasonable number. It’s a win-now move (which is foolhardy), but Callahan wasn’t going to be resigned.

    Callahan not getting resigned is just as much on Callahan as it is Sather.

  54. _right, Mister. Also not impossible that a Miller mistake might have turned a tied game into a loss, or a one-goal lead into an OT/shootout._

    Sure, definitely. I guess the question is whether we can learn to tolerate the risk of a more talented player making a mistake before said player reaches age 28.

  55. Doodie, I didn’t care for any part of the trade. Callahan for St. Louis is fine because you’re upgrading players. Two picks for St. Louis is tough to swallow but founded on the logic of improving the roster. Callahan and two picks just to upgrade one wing slot is terrible. Short-sighted, “we can say we won the trade based on immediate returns” terribleness.

  56. That’s what it comes down to, what’s the gain of St. Louis over Callahan and does that gain put us at the Pittsburgh / Boston level. I don’t even think it moved us into the 2nd tier given Montreal (far more wisely) tacking Vanek onto their roster _without any roster downgrade_.

  57. I know I’ve been playing this one close to the vest, Latona, but it was time for me to be honest with everyone.

  58. Agree, Mister, but when you ask that question of an organization that thinks making the playoffs if the No. 1 priority, and thinks that if it can get into the playoffs it can win the Cup, and fires coaches who get to five playoff series in two years but don’t win a Cup, well, you can see why they can’t live with too many mistakes by kids and prefer veterans.

    But also it’s probably wise to a large degree to let kids learn and develop in the minors, as most young players do.

  59. Question. If Callahan had been kept and then walked on July 1, and Martin St. Louis was a UFA that day and only wanted one year at less than what Callahan wanted, wouldn’t that be a good signing?

    I know, that doesn’t consider the picks or the age. Just sayin.

  60. I worry less about the injury risk with Staal because they can always put him on LTIR if he has an unfortunate incident/concussion.

    The main thing is the level of play with the eye injury, and that doesn’t seem to be a factor anymore. So, I’m fine giving him a deal in Girardi territory.

  61. Totally would be Carp, I get that. My bigger issue is Sather oblivious to the fact that he was deep in a buyers market and ending up paying by far the highest price of the deadline for a guy who said he wouldn’t go anywhere else. Contrast that with the cost to rent either Vanek or Moulson, who would have paired with Callahan rather than replaced, and its terrible roster work.

  62. Staal, IMO, might get more than Girardi because of the market and because he’s seen throughout the league as more of a “star” type of defenseman when healthy. If he goes UFA he would get bigger money than Girardi, IMO.

  63. I don’t disagree. But he got something for Callahan, whom he believed wasn’t going to sign here. Something pretty good.

    BTW, raise your hands. How many want Matt Moulson as an overpaid UFA this summer?

  64. I agree that both Callahan *and* picks stinks. I’d be happier if they just traded the picks and let Callahan walk. But, I don’t think that would have gotten the deal done.

  65. Miller / Allen a full time NHL’r for the Rangers this year.

    You will need to score more than 4pts in 25 games.

    Next year I could see a promotion.

    I’ve always been a fan of the AHL if you lead that team in scoring you should have earned the right to play some NHL games next year.

    Too bad PA didn’t get more of a look, he sure lit the lamp for the Islanders and the Avalanche.

    Who’s next…..

  66. _I don’t disagree. But he got something for Callahan, whom he believed wasn’t going to sign here. Something pretty good._

    But did he get something for Callahan? A 1st and a conditional 1st is hardly an unfair price for 100 games of St. Louis, especially in an environment where 1st round picks are being hoarded.

  67. Doodie Machetto on

    First of all, Snow wasn’t trading us Vanek. So forget him.

    Moulson was two second rounders, and for a rental only. So he wasn’t exactly a steal, either.

  68. Marty’s a top 5 scorer in the league, he should be worth a 1’st rounder. Cally was a gone when he didn’t take the offer.

    He had the perfect JOB, and he walked away from it.

    Crazy. Mind boggling. If you think about it.

  69. Doodie – Moulson might fit in MN. Give him a chance with Parise & Co. bring in Vanek over the summer, he makes that team a better team. I could see him signing to a winning team. The Wild are moving on up in the West.

  70. Stats analysis only, JT looks ready for the NHL. 1.2 PPG and a big plus on a team that’s -27 as a whole.

  71. I realize it’s not apples to apples, but someone mentioned it’s like trading the conditional 1st/2nd and Callahan for a rental this year, and a 1st for MSL next year. Looking at it that way makes me feel better.

    They weren’t getting Vanek because the Isles only make trades with other rivals. Moulson cost two picks and a 4th liner, and he’s a UFA after this year. So, it’s not as bad as it seems.

  72. Doodie Machetto on

    If this deal had been 2014 1st, 2015 2nd, I probably wouldn’t complain so much. 2014 is a pretty weak draft class after the top 6 or so. 2015 is supposed to be a very deep draft, so I’m upset that we are losing that pick, just like we did for the deep 2013 draft.

    The other concern is that if the condition occurs and we lose the 2014 1st in addition to the 2015 first, we will have gone three years without a first. That’s a long time.

  73. _In that case, Gravy, lets give another 1st and see if he’ll sign a 1 year extension._


  74. Miller is not ready for full minutes yet. and If he went the traditional route Kreider would just be seeing NHL ice…so yes he is still growing also. But, hey it works great in Edmonton, so Let’s start all the young kids!

  75. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, the Wild can’t afford to sign both Moulson and Vanek unless both take really deep discounts. They have a lot of young players who will need sizeable raises (Granlund, Brodin, Coyle) and still need to figure out something long-term in goal.

  76. (The Wild are currently 2 points ahead of us, so technically about even. If you believe those pick valuation charts even as a benchmark, ~20th overall is better than 3.5x more valuable than 50th overall, so even assuming our conditional is a 2nd and excluding the value of a Callahan rental, we paid huuuuuuuge more than Minnesota did for Moulson.)

  77. Doodie Machetto on

    Whatever we do, let’s get our kids up here fast, like Edmonton, and not let them develop in the AHL until they are ready, like Detroit.

  78. ((Hell, Custance had Callahan ranked 5th and Moulson 7th on his deadline value list, with Callahan valued at a 1st plus. And we’ve been told there was another offer on Callahan, so even if you want to call that other offer just a 2nd, we gave up the value equivalent of a 1st a 1st/2nd and a 2nd. For a guy who would not go anywhere else. On a team that still isn’t a top tier contender. There’s no justification for all of this beyond “well, its fun to watch St. Louis play”. This boat will get bigger after this season when the picks start coming due.))

  79. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, the differences again being that St. Louis is a much better player than Moulson and he’s not a rental.

  80. That second year is nice, obviously, but its getting overvalued to a ridiculous extent. I wish I could take a time-capsule ride to this year’s draft and see the outrage if we flipped only our 1st for St. Louis.

  81. The Wild are makes steps in the right direction.

    They are making moves to catch up to St. Louis, Anaheim, & Chicago.

    Are the Rangers making the right moves to catch up to Boston & Pittsburgh?

  82. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m with you on the valuation being wrong. Sather got fleeced by Yzerman. I’m just saying these things:

    1) Callahan wasn’t coming back;
    2) The team really did not prefer to sell him, thus hurting our roster this year;
    3) We got the best player that was traded this year; and
    4) Moulson wasn’t a bargain.

    Did Sather overpay? Yes. But this deal doesn’t get done in-season for less than what Sather paid. If we wait until the offseason, then what’s the cost? Probably just the draft picks. Do you think the draft picks alone are worth all of next year for MSL? I don’t think so, but that’s what the price would have been. And by adding Callahan, we get MSL for the rest of this season also.

  83. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    I can see both sides of the trade talk. I am pleased to have St. Louis and feel he’s a terrific upgrade for this and next year, with the great likliehood that if he continues to play he will sign a ‘fair’ deal exclusively with NYR for the remainder of his career.

    Callahan had to go. Asking too much. And I realize the cap did not allow us to keep him with the addition of St. Louis.

    Where I have trouble is….couldn’t Sather have traded Callahan for draft picks (other teams sent rentals out and while the market was not hot, it was ok)???? Then, separately, couldn’t he have offered the same 2 draft picks for St. Louis?????

  84. Also, we smirk our faces off if the Flyers had traded Timmonen (BECAUSE YOU MUST GET SOMETHING FOR A UFA) plus a 1st plus an escalating 2nd for a better D. You all know we would have. Universally.

  85. Doc – I’ll take your time-capsule to the 2003 draft and pick Parise as the 17th pick in the 1’st round.

    If we only get to take ONE RIDE, that’s the ride I TAKE!!!!

  86. Doodie Machetto on

    And Minnesota is not making moves that will keep them with the best of the west. They’re going to have a great top 6, a great first pairing, and then just absolute dog carcillo through the rest of their lineup.

  87. Way too many assumptions in there, Doodie, the greatest of which is just how untenable the St. Louis situation in Tampa had become. Neither of us know what the line was where Yzerman rides this out and Sather made it impossibly easy to not have to find out.

  88. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Carp, I would appreciate if you could comment on my 12:03. Thank you.

  89. Doodie Machetto on

    matty, Tampa wanted a player to fill the MSL roster spot for the rest of the season. They’re going to the playoffs. They weren’t going to make a deal that just sold MSL with no support for this season.

  90. MN will not make it past the 1’st round this year, but they are building in the right direction.

  91. Clock was ticking….. you take what you can get.

    It was as close to a win/win deal for both teams.

  92. Doodie Machetto on

    Yzerman easily could have waited this out through the rest of the season. Take the playoff run, make a deal at the draft. Sather is the one who had to push it to get it done this season.

    And you keep bringing up defensemen and there just is no comparable player to make this comparison with.

  93. _And you keep bringing up defensemen and there just is no comparable player to make this comparison with._

    Sure there is, figure out a guy you like better than Timmonen by the same margin of St. Louis over Callahan. Then add a 1st. Then add an escalating 2nd. Then think objectively about the Flyers chances this year and next relative to the Rangers. Then tell me its not a ridiculous deal.

  94. If Marty takes the Rangers to the finals, it was a win by Sather.

    If Tampa Bay makes the right pick, and win (this year or in 3-5 years) with the return on their trade, they win.

    Factor in we don’t have a 3rd liner at $6M for 6 years. IT really is tough to pick a winner today, who got the better deal.

    I like Marty, so I would pick the RANGERS today.

    Who would you pick?

  95. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m not saying the Rangers didn’t overpay, but none of my four statements aren’t true. Those are just the facts.

  96. Doodie Machetto on

    There is no guy that I can figure that has the same age drawback of St.Louis.

    Also, Timmonen is their best defenseman. Callahan was our third best RW.

    And finally, and most importantly, Philly has much bigger holes in their roster, starting in net, and then defensemen 2-3.

  97. They aren’t facts. Watch …

    _Callahan wasn’t coming back_

    … unless we gave him the NTC we’ve given almost every outside free agent over the last decade.

    _The team really did not prefer to sell him, thus hurting our roster this year_


    _We got the best player that was traded this year_

    I’ll give you best asset because of the 2nd year, the difference between Vanek and St. Louis on a roster is negligible.

    _Moulson wasn’t a bargain_

    Obvious opinion, no need to spell out.

  98. Carp, I think Staal may settle for a slightly higher AAV than Girardi’s ( perhaps $5.75-$6M range), but he will want more years. He is 2 years younger. I think his agent will start with 8 year term and go from there.

  99. Stranger Nation on

    _Whatever we do, let’s get our kids up here fast, like Edmonton, and not let them develop in the AHL until they are ready, like Detroit_

    100% – what is the rush with Miller? Why not let these kids dominate at AHL and slide right into lineup when prudent.

    Keeps the cap figure low and prevents them from being exposed to ‘role-models’ like Richards and Nash.

  100. Doodie Machetto on

    The Rangers are weak down the middle and on LW. But we have an amazing goaltender, amazing 1-3 D, amazing 1-3 RWs, and a solid fourth line. We could use more defensive depth (who couldn’t), but aside from the concerns at center, we probably have one of the better rosters in the league.

    Of course, the concerns at center are legit and keeping us from being one of the elite teams. But I’d put our goaltender and D up against any group in the league. I think only Boston and St. Louis can compete with us there.

  101. I don’t know the answer to that, Matty. I don’t think TB does St. Louis for draft picks with no player coming back, though.

  102. Stranger Nation on

    Agree that the MStL deal is not a difference maker with current roster in ’14 POs.
    Don’t like argument that these picks are moot because we can’t pick well.

    Still don’t understand why the pick changes if Cally signs there, but I am slow that way…

  103. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, how is two second round picks for a rental a bargain? Moulson had the highest paid rental price out of any of the pure rentals. I’m sorry, but he was absolutely not a bargain. You liked to point out Vanek. Why didn’t Minnesota offer up a 2nd and a third rate prospect for him if he’s so much better than Moulson? Moulson was not cheap, at all.

    And because Sather is starting to learn now that he can’t give out massive contracts with NTC that do not correspond to a player’s production, you are going to get angry with him for it?

  104. Doodie Machetto on

    Stranger, I think Tampa is contemplating that Callahan won’t resign, but Sather wants compensation if he does.

  105. Doodie Machetto on

    And when Vanek wins one scoring title, let alone two, I’ll grant you that the difference between him and St. Louis on a roster is negligible.

  106. Maybe the Rangers should consider locking up those dime-a-dozen 4th liners. They’ve been pretty effective.

    Prust saying.

  107. _Mister D, how is two second round picks for a rental a bargain?_

    I don’t know exactly how to answer that beyond claiming my opinion (and the historical valuation of mid-to-low second round picks) makes it a fact that he was a bargain. And to point out that they were also able to dump off Torrey Mitchell’s $2MM cap hit for next year in the process.

  108. bull dog line on

    if the Rangers had said yes to Callahan’s no trade request, he then would have asked for something else. it was very obvious what Cally’s plan was. stall on the negotiations until the deadline passed. finish season as a Ranger. go to Buffalo July 1st.

  109. Doodie Machetto on

    But it’s about market value. And the market value for rentals was very low this year. Minnesota paid the highest price for a rental. So it can’t be said that Moulson was a bargain if Minnesota paid such a high price relative to the other rentals.

  110. Doodie, I think we have at least one left winger who is still learning the defensive part of the game, but has already shown signs of things to come. I think we underestimate his hockey sense, ability to pass, and physicality. We all know he has speed and a great release. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing Kreider develop into very special player. I’m glad AV seems to be willing to live with his mistakes.

  111. Paralympic News: Russian national sledge-hockey team beat team USA 2-1!

    These, I am sorry to say, invalids, play better hockey than the actual Russian National team.

  112. _But it’s about market value. And the market value for rentals was very low this year. Minnesota paid the highest price for a rental. So it can’t be said that Moulson was a bargain if Minnesota paid such a high price relative to the other rentals._

    Are we ignoring that Montreal traded a 2nd + their high 2nd from a couple drafts ago and didn’t get to shed future salary in the process?

  113. Doodie Machetto on

    Furthermore, that draft valuation chart that you’re relying upon is based upon completely outdated data. Scouting, both domestically and internationally, has changed so drastically. It used to be the only guys who really ever played were from the 1st round.

    Furthermore, since we are talking about later round picks, 1st rounds get heavily weighted in games played form the guys taken at the top end of the draft. Since we’re only talking about guys at the bottom end, the weighting of top end guys needs to be factored out.

  114. bull dog line on

    quite a few people here think Kreider should be benched or sent down. what was that word Carp called people yesterday? well that is what those people are.

  115. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, Collberg sucks. They’re cutting bait on him. They paid even less than what Minnesota paid for Vanek. An unknown second is more valuable than a known lousy 2nd.

  116. So Marty is in the fold for next year.

    What 2 deals set the table for a CUP run next year?

  117. Carp – who won the deal between the Rangers & Tampa Bay?

    What team overall got the best return?

    IF you had to pick a winner today!

  118. _Furthermore, that draft valuation chart that you’re relying upon is based upon completely outdated data._

    Which is why I cited it as a benchmark rather than fact. I doubt you’re going to take up the argument that two late 2nds equal a late 1st, right?

    _Mister D, Collberg sucks. They’re cutting bait on him. They paid even less than what Minnesota paid for Vanek. An unknown second is more valuable than a known lousy 2nd._

    Also facts or opinions on this one?

  119. Doodie Machetto on

    Opinions, but pretty much everyone I’ve heard talk about Collberg since that trade has basically agreed that this kid isn’t going to ever be a top 6 player on 95% of NHL teams (the Islanders not being one of those 95% because, well Islanders).

    Sioux, Tampa won. By a lot.

  120. If Stepan was able to win more faceoffs, our center position would be ok, I think. You can never get to the Pittsburg level at center, and, at this point I’m not sure Stastny would be a significant upgrade for the money he’ll demand. And I am a big fan of Stastny.

  121. Doodie Machetto on

    Stastny is Stepan but older and better at faceoffs. No thank you.

    Even if Stepan could win faceoffs, we are not acceptable at center. That goes double if they buy out Richards (which they absolutely should).

  122. won’t know who the Callahan/st. Louis trade until it plays out, especially the players tampa picks with the rangers 2nd and 1st picks. I didn’t have a problem with the trade. I did have a big problem giving up a 1st though.

  123. I have no opinion on Pronman’s knowledge one way or the other, but he still had Collberg in good favor prior to this season. One man’s opinion, rankings subjective, etc, etc, but doesn’t exactly seem like a zero asset yet.

  124. bull dog line on

    Stepan is Bergeron light. not sure what to make of Brassard going forward. not sure I would invest more than 1 more year in him. Stastny is going to be overpaid, but the question is, is Stepan, Stastny, Miller better than Stepan, Richards, and Brassard.

  125. Let me just sum it up this way: Had we kept Callahan, contract or not, and moved two 2nds for Moulson (without even getting future cap relief from Buffalo), I’d be far happier today and, more importantly, going forward. That lost 1st is a dagger with a potentially more daggerous dagger behind it.

    Callahan rental + Moulson rental + 1st + 1st/2nd > > > St. Louis 100 games + 2nd + 2nd

  126. _Stepan is Bergeron light. not sure what to make of Brassard going forward. not sure I would invest more than 1 more year in him._

    Agreed. I’m his 2nd biggest supporter here and I’d stick with just tendering him for one more year versus trying to lock him up long term.

  127. Just Imagine if they pick up a player like Johnson, Palat, Killorn, Kucherov, Panik.

    They are seriously stocked with YOUNG talent in Tampa Bay!

    They have time to grow their young picks.

    Now adding another top pick for the next two years.

    That’s a lot of assets to deal with.

  128. Tommy – IF you had to pick today. So pick.

    I’m not saying it couldn’t be win/win.

    Rangers win this year or next year.

    Tampa wins in 3-5 years, or they win without MSL.

  129. The Rangers are far too small (to go back to Doodie’s post quite a while ago.)

    They have good pieces but they have to get bigger.

  130. Doc I disagree on so many levels.

    MSL this year, next year, and possibly the next 2 years if he keeps scoring like Selanne/Jagr.

    Not having over paid for Callahan, the last 3 years would have been rough if he didn’t put up 70pt season at that kind of money.

    We have talent to deal from, and several on the grow in Hartford.

  131. So SIOUX Me,
    bad trade, rangers as usual doing quick fixes to make the playoffs, not building to have a team that will be very good year in and year out and possibly win a cup. I guess what I meant was I didn’t have a problem trading Callahan.

  132. I really, really want to make a run at signing Gregory Campbell for the 4th line Center after next season. I would lock up Moore and Brassard for one more, if possible, and then ride Stepan, Brassasrd, Miller and Moore with Richards moving to Wing.

  133. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Tampa wins today. Sure, the Rangers have the better player, but they overpaid for him.

    That 2015 first kills me.

  134. That’s my ONLY fear Manny.

    Rangers are two small to beat Boston, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Anaheim.

    But Chicago really didn’t out hit you when they won the cup. They just came at you in waves.

  135. Doodie Machetto on

    I think they are big enough for Pittsburgh and Anaheim. Those teams don’t play particularly tough. LA, St. Louis, and Boston are the ones that bother me.

  136. rangers need to start drafting players who have size, can actually play hockey and have playable toughness. It appears to me that the rangers never draft players with playable toughness.

  137. Well if we want to beat LA, St. Louis, & Boston why did we switch coaches. Torts coaches the same way.

  138. Tommy – they are a good team NOW. I was amazed at how the young team looked last night.

    I’ve only watched them more because I’ve had Stamkos, Killorn, and Filppula on my “fantasy” team throughout the year.

    They didn’t miss a beat when Stamkos broke his leg.

    A lot of that came from Marty though.

  139. What TommyG said … if Boston made this deal, moving UFA Iginla plus 1st plus 1st/2nd for St. Louis, I’d sort of get it. They’re thinking they’re polishing off a roster for a run where the ECF is the worst of the acceptable results. As a fan I’d still probably be atleast very worried, if not crossing over into flat out against the trade, about the longer term ramifications. For us, the ECF represents the level above where this roster, post trade, should get. A team becoming a lock top two in conference, top 4-6 entire league can risk going for it. A team looking to solidify their 4th-8th slot playoff spot shouldn’t. But of course, Sather did.

  140. IMO…. I think tampa would have had the best record in the eastern conference if they didn’t lose Stampkos to injury. Tampa is going to be a very good team for years to come, book it.

  141. Marty has to score for the Rangers to win, and he will have to score in the Playoffs, if he pulls a Nash in the playoffs this team doesn’t win.

    But it’s possible it’s win/win for both teams.

    Today….. I pick Rangers!

  142. Stranger Nation on

    Tampa’s performance this season is directly correlated to their new coach who instilled a defense to offense system and players bought in. Their D has played well and Bishop has been phenomenal most of the year.

    Needed Marty’s leadership for the second season. He will be missed come April.

  143. Doodie Machetto on

    Doesn’t matter. That’s a deep draft from what I understand. Last year, Mantha went 20th, Gauthier 21, Shinkaruk 24, Theodore 26. Zykov and Natasiuk didn’t even go until the 2nd round.

  144. Tampa has 11 players that are 24 and YOUNGER.

    They are already going to be good for 10 years.

    Forget about the 2 top draft picks. They might be so good they don’t even make the team. Kind of like a McIlrath.

  145. _I’m his 2nd biggest supporter here_

    Who’s 1st?

    Speaking of Stepan, 1 G, 8 A in the last 6 and 17 points in the last 16.

  146. It is my *opinion* that the Rangers won the trade *today* because 1st and 2nd round picks can’t be dressed since they are *inanimate* objects.

  147. Doodie Machetto on

    For the record, I had those guys ranked Shinkaruk, Mantha, Gauthier, Zykov, Theodore, Natasiuk. But all were solid choices.

  148. Doodie Machetto on

    No, McIlrath can’t make the team because he’s bad and in addition to being bad, can’t stay healthy.

  149. bull dog line on

    I think MrD was referring to Brassard. and I noticed as well that Stepan has been putting up numbers again. even his plus minus is now headed back to normal Stepan levels.

  150. Doodie Machetto on

    But the picks have value. Even if you trade the picks for hockey players. They have value. And the value we paid was greater than the value of St. Louis.

  151. Gravy we are talking about 16 year olds right now, maybe 17, with no names.

    or Marty St. Louis, that puts up 90 point seasons.

  152. Rangers are never thinking “win in four seasons” they are thinking about winning *now* so we will never, ever get to draft amazing kids and watch them grow. We will sell everything for a quick shot. No dynasties. No glory.

  153. Doodie Machetto on

    Because if you take a position like that, we should just trade every draft pick we ever have since they can;t be dressed.

  154. Oh, thanks bull dog. I know who Brassard’s #1 supporter is, and he likes to use the can.

    Yes, Stepan is beginning to produce on the offensive side again. Thankfully, his defensive play didn’t really suffer. He does stink on faceoffs.

  155. The problem with Mcilrath is he can’t skate which was the book on him when the rangers drafting him. The hope was for him to improve his skating ability. Unfortunately he blew his knee out which is bad enough but he hasn’t improved his skating ability and now has a bum knee which equals a disaster.

  156. Rob in Beantown on

    New York Rangers @NYRangers
    #NYR lineup: @Twigy15 replaces Dan Carcillo and @HLundqvist30 starts in goal

    I guess it took this long for the Rangers to *stop* using Carcillo’s twitter handle.

  157. But, analyzing trades is fluid. What does the 15-16 cap savings allow them to do in the future? Who does Tampa pick? Who would the Rangers have picked?

  158. Good. Wouldn’t mind if we never see Carcillo again and we look back on this 20 game stretch fondly as “that month where Carcillo didn’t do anything stupid”.

  159. Doodie unless they are Jessiman/Cherepanov/Sanguinetti/McIlrath

    1’st round picks don’t always become players.

  160. 1st round picks never become cheap and productive players if you never have 1st round picks.

  161. If only the McIlrath pick was one of:


  162. bull dog line on

    I have been staying out of the draft pick discussion because I am kind in the middle on it. other than a complete rebuild, there is still definite times to keep your draft picks. you always play them today, and think about tomorrow. then there are times to sacrifice them. if you think you are a cup contender today. I don’t believe the Rangers are a cup contender, but they are eastern conference contenders. tough call.

  163. Trouble is we dealt a lot to get Nash.

    Got some return for Gaborik,

    Then dealt a lot to get St. Louis,

    Now what get some for Staal?

    I kid, I kid :)

  164. It will literally *never* change until someone else owns this franchise. And we better hope that the new owner is interested in winning and having a successful hockey team instead of selling ad space and $18 sangwiches.

  165. Perhaps this is me being all stupid and valuing smartness, but you’d think there would be some appeal to an ownership group to be seen as a really smart, forward thinking franchise. Sure as hell worked in the Red Sox turnaround. Smart plus money is a pretty deadly combination.

  166. Even if you think in dollars and -sense- cents, you’d think that 3 or 4 playoff rounds > than 1 or 2 playoff rounds.

  167. Doodie Machetto on

    “I don’t believe the Rangers are a cup contender, but they are eastern conference contenders. tough call.”

    If it was 2014 1st with escalating 2015, I’d be much more on board.

  168. Id do the MSL trade again in a heartbeat. Cally was asking WAY to much and for once Slats did the right thing by not overpaying. So we gave up 2 top picks, I would rather that then be stuck with an overpriced injury proned Callahan in yrs 4,5 & 6 of his deal. I’d rather they go after Moulson as a UFA and have him play WITH MSL next season.

  169. Doodie Machetto on

    The Rangers have a problem with four East teams, one of whom they will inevitably have to face in the playoffs: Pittsburgh, Boston, Montreal, and Tampa. Of those, I’m actually least concerned about the Pens. Boston is the toughest over 7 games. Montreal has just dominated us for the past 4 years or so, and Tampa recently has really had our number. But other than those four teams, I feel pretty good about our team in relation to the rest of the conference.

  170. Interesting stuff, guys.

    1. If Callahan was coming from the Buffalo Sabres this offseason and Sather signed him to a 6 year 39 million deal with a NTC this board would be beside itself with cries of “Drury II”. And Callahan does not have the scoring ability or skill that Drury did, and is a more physical player and is thyerefore hurt more often, and doesn’t have a penchant for scoring big goals. He was worth a lot to this team, but we’ll see how much going forward.

    2. That line instantly becomes much, much better than it was. Over the last 17 games here I expect not only will MSL start to produce, but so will Richards and Hagelin. Basically turns that line from a #2 or #3 line into a 1A line.

    3. The analogies to Philly and other etams dont work because we have the best goaltender in franchise history at the peak of his game for how much longer? If there ever was a time to start pulling out the stops, this would appear to be it. We all know how we felt about the organeyezation wasting the last years of Leetch and Richters careers.

  171. Doodie Machetto on

    27nyr94, First of all, by adding MSL, we are not going to be able to afford any other FA. So Moulson for next year is out.

    Second, there was another option between trading two 1st rounders and signing Callahan. In fact, there were two.

    First, you could do nothing, let Callahan play out the season, and let the chips fall where they may with his contract. Who knows, maybe you get it down to 6×6 with no NTC. That’s not that bad of a deal. I actually think it’s worse on the front-end than on the back because the cap is only going to continue to rise.

    Second, you could just sell Callahan, which the Rangers apparently had a deal in place to do (I’ve heard San Jose, but that’s just rumors).

  172. bull dog line on

    they are probably going to play the Flyers in the 1st round. Pitt is probably going to have to cross over. Tampa has not been playing well, though Bishop has owned the Rangers. something about Boston this year has me thinking they are going out early.

  173. bull dog line on

    I think that is correct Doodie. I think the cross over is a tough match for Pitt.

  174. _27nyr94, First of all, by adding MSL, we are not going to be able to afford any other FA. So Moulson for next year is out._

    We’re projected at almost $18MM under now, $24.5MM if the right thing happens, without any major, major RFAs pending.

  175. Sorry Doodie, 6×6 for Callahan is just as bad IMO.
    Loved the guy but was not worth more then 5mil/4yrs tops – I don’t care what the cap goes up to. Only deserved that for his heart and was the C.

  176. I don’t think I want to know what that SJ offer was. I think it would probably kill me or lead me to kill Sather.

  177. Doodie Machetto on

    Well, like I said, there were still the options of just letting him walk or selling him. Instead, we traded a 1st and escalating 2nd.

  178. bull dog line on

    the draft picks did not bother me in the St. Louis trade. what bothered me was what the trade means for Richards. those numbers you just posted bother me even more. I think Richards is going to be kept.

  179. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, first, I strongly believe Richards is not going to be bought out. You don’t make a strong win-now move like this trade and then buy out your 2C, no matter how overpaid he is, no matter the potential recapture penalties (which I’m sure every GM will go to Bettman’s office to complain about with a picture of Kovalchuk in their hand).

    Second, MZA is getting a big raise, Dom Moore will get a big raise, Brassard is getting a decent raise, J.Moops is getting a decent raise, and we need to either resign or replace Stralman, Boyle, and Pouliot, all of whom would get raises if resigned.

    Third, we need to also keep an eye on the future, as any UFA like Moulson will want an long term deal. In two years, we need to resign Stepan (big raise), potentially Staal (big raise), Talbot (big raise, percentage wise, but small in actual dollars), and Hagelin (modest raise).

    So while 18MM right now seems like a lot, it really isn’t.

  180. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, it was probably a 2nd and a low level roster player or midprospect.

  181. _Mister D, it was probably a 2nd and a low level roster player or midprospect._

    I figure this is worst case, but fear it was better, especially if it was a fallback earlier in the morning, before the “settle for a 2nd” chips fell.

  182. I just don’t see the cap situation as that dire. Brassard is not getting a substantial raise. That would out him around $5M to be a 3C, if Richards is 2C.

    We can replace a Stralman from within. If Boyle walks we have Dorsett and merely re-sign Carcillo. It’s not that much money.

  183. Doodie Machetto on

    “especially if it was a fallback earlier in the morning, before the “settle for a 2nd” chips fell.”

    There was no “settle for a 2nd” chips. GMs around the league simply refused to trade 1sts for rentals. The only 1st for a rental was part of the Miller deal, which was actually for two rentals, not just one.

  184. Keeping Richards would be asinine though. even if they tried to justify it this summer, how do they justify that 3 seasons from now? or 4?

    I think Miller can be a solid 2 way center and don’t think giving Brassard 3+ years is worth it considering that fact.

    Agreed with Ilb from earlier on Stepan. If he could get the job done in the faceoff circle at least he would have some assets other than being a streaky forward that plays well defensively most of the time.

    Overall, I think Miller eventually costs either Brassard or Stepan a contract.

  185. Manny, I love that since I threw Greg Campbell’s name into the “who would you rather have over Boyle?” argument you’ve been all about bringing him in : D Seriously though, I’d take him in a heart beat for the right price.

  186. Doodie Machetto on

    James, does Sather strike you as a guy who is worried about justifying years 3 and 4?

  187. Doodie Machetto on

    “We can replace a Stralman from within. ”

    We haven’t been able to find a 3rd pair right-handed defenseman from within for the past 3 seasons, let alone a 2nd pairing guy (which is what Stralman is for us).

  188. _There was no “settle for a 2nd” chips. GMs around the league simply refused to trade 1sts for rentals._

    And sellers had to “settle” for “2nds” which is why those deals didn’t get done until the closing minutes.

  189. Doodie Machetto on

    Yeah, but the way you made it sound was like Sather had offers of firsts until other things came off the board. He didn’t. Nobody was trading us a 1st for Callahan.

  190. Klein > Stralman. He will eventually be the 2nd pair guy. Thus, in my eyes, we are talking about replacing a 3rd pair, Right handed D-Man. Diaz can play third pair minutes cheap as can McLlrath. His physicality in open space makes up for his lack of speed.

    You made me realize it, James. He’s the guy ever since you brought him up.

  191. Picks don’t mean much until one day they become the Getzlafs, Parises and Ryan Keslers of the league while this organization drafts garbage..

  192. Once you guys realize that picks are *inanimate* objects, you’ll see the err of your ways.

  193. Doodie Machetto on

    I disagree completely about Klein. They should rename him DeKlein, because that’s all he is doing at this point of his career. He’s a 3rd pairing guy, no more. And I actually used to really like Klein. He’s just not been good, at all.

    Furthermore, it’s never going to be McIlrath. He’s terrible. Can’t skate for a damn and he is constantly getting hurt. It’s time to put the McIlrath hype to bed. It’s over.

    And Diaz isn’t going to be that guy either. This is his third team this season, and all that was spent on him was a 5th round pick and Dale Weise. Not saying much about his level of play.

  194. Mcdonald, Orpik, Murray, Whitney…4 dmen that will be UFA that I would take over Stralman and 2 of the 4 will probably sign for less if not the 3 million per people are discussing on Stralman.

  195. I was wrong on Ryan Callahan. I am still shocked to this day a deal did not get done.

    Did the Knicks not win one more playoff game than the Rangers last year?

  196. _This is his third team this season, and all that was spent on him was a 5th round pick and Dale Weise. Not saying much about his level of play._

    Hardly seems like a fair knock when comparing him to a guy who was a free agent through the offseason and into the start of the regular season.

  197. Doodie Machetto on

    Ryan Whitney isn’t even an NHL player at this point. Doug Murray could start skating now and he wouldn’t finish his lap around the rink before next season ended.

    Orpik and McDonald are both going to be very expensive. McDonald turned down a really big offer from the Islanders. He knows he’s going to get paid. The Penguins will either resign Orpik or he is just going to be paid a ton of money somewhere else.

  198. Seems McD is being more and more run- at, fouled, high-sticked, etc. Who will do something about it?

  199. _Picks don’t mean much until one day they become the Getzlafs, Parises and Ryan Keslers of the league while this organization drafts garbage._

    Release Kreider. Release Stepan. Release Miller. Release Staal. Release Hagelin. Release Lundqvist. -Release Callahan-. -Release Dubinsky-. -Release Anisimov-.

  200. _You mean two years ago? He’s gotten much better in two years._

    And two years ago the argument would have been he’s a pile of garbage because he was available for free so late. By contrast, traded twice, released never is a super pedigree.

  201. Doodie Machetto on

    And who cares about pedigree? We are talking about ability for next season. And Diaz doesn’t have it and isn’t likely to get it being healthy scratched for the rest of the season.

  202. Doodie Machetto on

    BTW, Diaz being acquired tells you everything you need to know about how the team feels about McIlrath.

    It’s over. It’s done. Fowler was the choice and they blew it.

    Were there better picks than Fowler later on? Absolutely. But all of the conventional wisdom, all of the scouting reports, basically everything except for Glen Sather & Co. said Fowler > McIlrath.

  203. “The Rangers have a problem with four East teams, one of whom they will inevitably have to face in the playoffs: Pittsburgh, Boston, Montreal, and Tampa. ”


    Do you think ANY of those 4 teams are impossible for the Rangers to beat? I’d say Boston is the toughest, because Rask is all worldly this year. But, they have a young and vulnerable defense that our speed game can give a hard time (we did it for a period last time we played, if not for Rask, we might win that game). Montreal? They scare me a little, because they always play well. But if Price isn’t 100% they are beatable. Pittsburgh, we have played well, and we know the issues with their goalie. TB? Too young to be ready to compete in the playoffs over a long tough series against a top goalie. So I think ANY of those teams could be beaten. The western teams is another story, but we’ve played .500 against them, and we seem to play Chicago well, who play similar to us.

    As for the trade. Honestly, it’s done, and I’m not going to cry about it. To me, unless you get a top 5 pick, there’s not sure thing. Look at our record with mid 1st round picks. Unless you want to go total rebuild, get top 5 picks for 3 or 4 years, then you have to go for it now. Really the team is still pretty young, there’s still talent to be developed and improved upon. The guys we’ve traded for are mostly young (J.Moore, Brassard, Nash, McD). You get to the playoff and anything can happen. It’s going to be about Hank anyway.

  204. “BTW, Diaz being acquired tells you everything you need to know about how the team feels about McIlrath.

    It’s over. It’s done. Fowler was the choice and they blew it.

    Were there better picks than Fowler later on? Absolutely. But all of the conventional wisdom, all of the scouting reports, basically everything except for Glen Sather & Co. said Fowler > McIlrath.”

    This is why I am not going to cry about the draft picks.

  205. How many are you trading Kreider for straight up …

    John Tavares
    Victor Hedman
    Matt Duchene
    Evander Kane
    Brayden Schenn
    Oliver Ekman-Larsson
    Nazem Kadri
    Scott Glennie
    Jared Cowen
    Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson
    Ryan Ellis
    Calvin de Haan
    Zack Kassian
    Dmitri Kulikov
    Peter Holland
    Nick Leddy
    David Rundblad
    Louis Leblanc

    Every team blows draft picks.

  206. Doodie Machetto on

    steve, I’m not saying they can’t be beaten. I’m saying that I’d favor the other squad in a playoff series.

    Just like while I think the Rangers would prevail in a series with the Flyers, Leafs, Red Wings, or Blue Jackets, I’m not saying it’s impossible for those teams to beat us.

    OK, maybe for the Flyers…

  207. Will Diaz play a game before the season is over?

    What does he bring to the table?

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen him play.

  208. _What does he bring to the table?_

    He’s the guy who almost got Lars Eller killed.

  209. Tavares, Duchene, and possibly Kane (though arguable since they could be the same player and THE is cheaper/younger).

    But, that can also be used as a counter to your argument, lending to the “draft is a crapshoot” hypothesis.

  210. And that’s my point, look at the list. The top 4 guys and maybe Kadri are players you’d consider trading Kreider (not saying I’d do it, but you’d have to consider it). The rest? A crap shoot. So you are trading potentially 2 mid level 1st rounders (and that means MAYBE 1 out of 2 turns out to be any good) and a guy who’s leaving the team for one of the top scorers in the league. What are the odds either one becomes as good as MSL is now? 50/50? At best? And if you believe that some of the younger guys can fit in going forward (Miller, Fast, and whoever), plus a UFA or two, you could be better off in the long run.

  211. Doodie Machetto on

    Five. Schenn a couple of years ago would have also been a yes. I just think his development has been completely ruined by Philly.

    Kadri is also a really close one. Again, I think a couple of years ago I would have been much more inclined to say yes. Toronto has really messed him up.

  212. Has Tortorella been fired yet? The two points the Canucks gifted to Islanders last night must be his way of sticking it to his former employer.

  213. The solution to “getting young, cheap talent is a crapshoot” isn’t “avoid the crapshoot”, its “shoot in bulk” (while recognizing teams, even amazing drafting teams, will miss). You cannot win a capped sport without drafting and developing. Its not possible.

  214. Doodie Machetto on

    Yeah, but 2009 was a weak draft. Which is why the 2014 1st doesn’t bother me. It’s the 2015 1st, in what is supposed to be a deep draft, that does.

  215. (What’s funny is I had atleast 8 I wasn’t going to really argue just to make the point that over half the teams _BLEW IT_.)

  216. Let’s say MSL was 33 instead of 38? Would your opinions be any different? There’s always been a rule of thumb in baseball trades, if you get the best player in the trade you win the trade. So unless one of those 2 1st rounders we might give up are as good as MSL, then we win the trade.

    Are any of you rooting for us not to get to the ECF? What if we get to the SCF? Is it still a bad trade?

  217. I don’t think Diaz says anything about McIlrath, other than he’s not ready for a playoff drive/run this year.

    Again, next year McIlrath will be the same age as Sauer was when won the 6th D job. Defensive d-men take longer to develop and are not given the leeway that offensive d-men are. It may have been a stretch to take him #10, but he is 21 and can’t be labeled a bust yet.

  218. Doodie Machetto on

    You’ve got 8 guys on that list who you would trade Kreider for? At least 8? I have to know who.

  219. _There’s always been a rule of thumb in baseball trades_

    You can’t trade picks in baseball.

  220. Doodie Machetto on

    “There’s always been a rule of thumb in baseball trades, if you get the best player in the trade you win the trade.”

    Lindros for the Colorado Avalanche.

  221. _You’ve got 8 guys on that list who you would trade Kreider for? At least 8? I have to know who._

    No, that I wasn’t going to dig in on and fight if it turned that direction. Top 7 and Leddy.

  222. MD, you trading Kreider for Kane goes against almost every argument you’ve been making. Kreider is cheaper and under team control longer, and Kane hasn’t exactly been an iron man.

  223. Team control meaning RFA and salary controllable. Obviously, Kane is signed for another 5 or so years.

  224. Doodie Machetto on

    For me it’s (in order) Tavares, Duchene, Ekman-Larson, Hedman, and Kane. Then maybe Schenn and maybe Kadri. If they were developed better, they would be both be a definite yes.

  225. _MD, you trading Kreider for Kane goes against almost every argument you’ve been making. Kreider is cheaper and under team control longer, and Kane hasn’t exactly been an iron man._

    C’mon, I said twice those weren’t the guys I would trade him for, those are the guys I wouldn’t dig in and fight if someone else said they’d trade him for.

  226. Stranger Nation on

    Thought Klein is playing well with ability to join the O zone and fire it at the net. Looked good vs. Wings especially. Would take him over Norris Stralman, particularly next to Staal which would allow Staal to join the rush more.

  227. Why would we trade Kreider for a defenseman when the team needs wingers (especially LW)? Hedman and OEL are really good players, but is that what this team needs? Or are we just looking at ranking them in order?

  228. Doodie Machetto on

    Hedman and OEL create depth to then trade for better players at other positions. If we had Hedman or OEL, we could easily deal Staal and still be a better team than we are today.

  229. Doodie Machetto on

    Hedman has been really good this year. I’m just interested to see if this is a fluke or not.

    By contrast, OEL has been on a steady upward curve.

  230. If I were really doing this, Tavares, OEL and Duchene are the no-brainers. Hedman and Kane I’d probably think or know I should but still be hesistant because I love Kreider. The other three are probably the ones where both team says no.

  231. I’d concede on OEL because he’s the type of D-man that they don’t have. Plus, we could have goals scored by MSL, from MZA and OEL.

  232. Doodie Machetto on

    Leddy is a third pair guy for Chicago. It’s not even close.


  233. _Chicago deals Leddy for Kreider straight up in a heartbeat._

    Well then add them to the list that totally blew it like we totally blew it with McIlrath.

  234. Doodie Machetto on

    And really, our defensive prospect cupboard is pretty bare. Our offensive prospect cupboard is pretty good on the wings, although any ELITE talent is very speculative, at best. It’s also really, really lousy down the middle. Lindberg, maybe Nieves? Either way, really pathetic. Unless you count JT Miller as a center, but he’s more suited for a 3rd line role than a top 6.

  235. Doodie Machetto on

    The elite talent being guys like Duclair, Buchnevich, maybe Tambellini if he does this for more than a handful of games.

  236. Doodie Machetto on

    And in goal, it’s Talbot and then a whole lot of garbage. They need to draft one this year if they can get a good value in rounds 5-7.

  237. Everyone gets so upset about McLlrath’s skating but you do not need to skate above average to play defense in the NHL. Physicality makes up for lack of foot speed.

  238. Manny, I’ll take a flyer on McIlrath + Diaz at 7th over signing Stralman long term. We’ll get cool shirtseys and everything.

  239. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I disagree. Everybody needs to be an average skater or they will never be more than a spare guy.

  240. Doc – I’ll trade McIlrath for Leddy heck I would even through in a 3rd rounder :)

  241. I’m 100% into it, The Doctor.

    McLlrath is not nearly the poor skater everyone is making him out to be. Just like he’s not nearly the fighter everyone is making him out to be.

  242. And, yes Doodie, I said you don’t have to be *above* average. So if he’s an average skater he will be fine. I love how physical he is high in the defensive zone.

  243. I don’t think McIlrath is a total bust. He may grow into a player that will play some minutes some day. Just not a lot.

    I do think he is a bust at a 1’st round pick.

  244. If he’s just an average skater he can’t afford to be high in the defensive zone #weed #weedhumor #jokesaboutweed #legalizeit #camfowler

  245. You can take apart the names I threw out there Doodie, but you’re sensible and at the end of the day you know Stralman isn’t anything special.

    And RE: my comments on justifying the retaining of Richards, I said a couple weeks ago that this organization has no chance until Sather retires, dies or does both. We can all jump down each others throats with hypothetical and win now theories but at the end of the day there isn’t anything significant that’s going to happen with this guy at the helm. So to answer your question, no. Sather does not strike me as the type that cares about justifying years 3 or 4.

  246. Pouliot is better than Kristo but I imagine you don’t want to lock Pouliot up for 3+ years, right?

  247. Doodie – Tambellini will be like St. Croix, he’ll put up a lot of points playing in juniors, but won’t make the AHL team.

    Lots of growing to do, before I put him as a TOP prospect.

    Miller, Lindberg, Kristo would be our top prospects right now.

  248. McD is probably the best bargain in the NHL as far as Dmen go. He’s 24 he’s cleary the best dman we have here he’s gotten better year after year and he’s going to play out his 20s with a cap hit under 5 million dollars. He along with Girardi and probably Staal give us a solid foundation a lot of teams would kill for. if they could just find the right supporting cast for those guys then maybe we can talk about being contenders.

  249. Sioux, I have nothing to add on Mcilrath. It is what it is. I don’t think there’s very much in the farm that can make it onto the dinner table anytime soon.
    With that said they need to be careful in free agency. Obviously.

  250. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, I figured that as well about Tambellini.

    James, my whole point though in picking apart those names is it’s just not that simple to find a 2nd pairing Dman or we would have done it at any point over the past three seasons.

  251. Doodie Machetto on

    Just to finish my thought on Tambellini: I don’t consider him a top prospect, but I do consider him one of our few prospects with a very high ceiling.

    It’s basically why I didn’t like the Thomas for Kristo trade. Kristo is higher floor, lower ceiling than Thomas. We need less high floor guys/low ceiling guys and more high ceiling ones. Preferably also with high floors, but I’ll settle for questionable ones.

  252. Doodie Machetto on

    So, for instance, an Anthony Duclair, who I also think is speculative at this point, I value much more highly than a Danny Kristo.

  253. _It’s basically why I didn’t like the Thomas for Kristo trade. Kristo is higher floor, lower ceiling than Thomas. We need less high floor guys/low ceiling guys and more high ceiling ones. Preferably also with high floors, but I’ll settle for questionable ones_

    This sounds like an elevator :)

    I’ll take Kristo all day long over Thomas.

  254. Doodie Machetto on

    I just don’t see Kristo ever contributing as more than a third liner at the NHL level.

    I have an even harder time seeing him ever be a regular on the Rangers’ roster.

  255. wanna put my couple cents in on

    said this in the past–
    watched a few of his Boston College games
    and if he wasn’t scoring
    he was floating
    just hung around on the ice
    until it was time to head towards opposing goalie. THAT’s when he got involved.
    his defensive lapses aren’t surprising
    since he was allowed to have ’em
    now, it’s a matter of learning what to do
    on the ENTIRE ice surface.
    he’s still learning

  256. But Stralman is *NOT* a 2nd pair guy. He’s completely covered up by Staal, who is very, very good.

  257. Doodie Machetto on

    He’s a 2nd pair guy for us. And I think he’s better than you think he is. Seems like you really hate him.

  258. another thing on
    i think his game became
    less than
    for awhile after the BJ game
    when he got the penalty for bumping tyutin
    seems to be coming out his shell a bit more
    with the hits and more involvement
    in offensive zone
    in the last game

  259. Doodie I like Duclair size, for sure.

    I haven’t seen him play a game, so I can’t take anything away from him.

    Kristo can play, and he can score. He reminds me a lot of Cally – with top self wrist shot.

    He might earn his stripes next year, but it looks as if Miller is ahead of him.

  260. Doodie Machetto on

    Kristo needs to wait until MSL or MZA isn’t on the roster anymore to be anything more than 4th line. And I don’t think he is a good enough two-way player for that role, anyway.

    So you’re basically talking at least 15-16 until Kristo can even be a regular player.

  261. I don’t hate Anton Stralman personally. I just think he’s not nearly as good as he’s given credit for and I fear that it’s going to lead to us being stuck with him in the lineup. Maybe I dump on him more because people call him “best value in the league” and garbage like that.

  262. I hear ya doodie. It’s not like I’m looking at guys that are going to go UFA and putting myself under the impression that they’re that much better. I’m talking about a little give and take. I just think on a team where you have a lot of guys with similar flaws It’s kind of like going “ok well we have 5 guys with the similar flaws to Stralman” So maybe we shuffle some more deck chairs on the Titanic so to speak and get some more physicality. At the end of the day you still have problems but you’ve still addressed a need. if that makes any sense…

  263. lol see Manny? McD is playing 6 years for 4.7 a year but Stralman is the best bargain in the NHL

  264. Funny, when Staal was playing like garbage no one said Stralman was covering for him. By the same logic, I guess we just totally overpaid for Girardi since he has McDonagh covering for him.

  265. All this talk is making me realize that not that long ago our number 1 D pair was Marek Malik and Michal Rozsival..

  266. Also this notion that you can be an average skater at D is absurd. If Bickel could skate he would have been the 7th Dman this year and McIlrath is even worse than him. High hit in the defensive zone? Please. The guy who comes to mind, Phaneuf, can 1) skate and 2) sucks at defense.

  267. Kristo can score goals. Don’t write him off just yet. 82 games + 20 more in the playoffs.

    Guys get injured. He will get some games soon enough. But spending a year in Hartford is all apart of the Process.

  268. Bickel — strange thing about him is when he first joined lineup he wasn’t too bad and even contributed a few assists then it

    Kristo–is back from injury? been a month or more for him….possible yikes?

  269. Stranger Nation on

    The Stralman love is funny – wait till April when the flowers sprout up and playoff hockey arrives. Opponents plant themselves in front of the net, jam (or run) Henk and good ol’ Sweater Tug is there to ask them nicely to move on.

    Norris ‘Sweater Tug’ Stralman on our second pair is a del zaster in April

  270. Stranger Nation on

    Leddy…guy is not good on the D zone, still young, has some O upside, but is not steady in his own end at all.

  271. Stralman has turned a corner this year, but I agree with stranger, the proof will be in the playoff pudding.

  272. Regular season game #82 for The Kreider.

    The combination of skill set and physical attributes he possesses really narrow the list of players that you can compare to Kreider,

    His upside and age- at this point- out weigh what he would bring back. IMO

  273. ilb, I thought he’s played some good playoff hockey. Won’t deny that. He had a bit of nasty against Washington a couple of times in recent memory.

    Carp- you’re right but not many teams are riddled with soft players the way we are at times. You’ve talked numerous times about players on this team making snow angels and letting their goalies get run and not taking out their man or going for the old poke check polly instead of standing up..can’t put the blame all on one guy but you can’t blame some of us for wanting a little more snarl.

  274. He was ilb, even last year. Pretty that is.

    I know they missed him when he was injured.

  275. E, he had complications caused by an arrhythmia (irregular heart beat) for a while apparently that’s what caused him to collapse. They performed CPR and shocked him with a defibrillator. It’s not classified as a “heart attack” from what I know but probably did go into Cardiac Arrest.

  276. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Duguay is pretty. Hags is pretty. Hank is the prettiest. Strahlman is not pretty.

  277. CARP, I informally gave another one out the other day. Lunch points were, mind you, the impetus for the logging thread, so even when I don’t dole them out they live on. I’ll have to declare a winner for the last chapter of lunch points and start anew soon.

  278. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    James – thx. I wonder if Peverly will be forced to Hank up his skates…

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