Rangers-Maple Leaves in review

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First, click here for my story from the game last night, after which Martin St. Louis was pretty forthcoming about demainding a trade.

Second, click here for my story from before the game, about the deadline-day’s events, with reaction from Glen Sather, Ryan Callahan, Alain Vigneault, Steve Yzerman, etc.

Thoughts:

1) OK, so you guys who read those, and who were on the blog yesterday, or on twitter, know how I feel about the trade. But here, in case you don’t read the stories above, or didn’t read yesterday, is my bottom line of bottom lines: The Rangers got the best player traded yesterday, period, and he immediately became their best forward by far. Simple as that. He helps this year and next, when his cap hit will be a reasonable and manageable $5.625 million. And Ryan Callahan overplayed his hand, starting too high, finishing too high, probably still believing he will get his seven years and well north of $6 million or $6.5 million as a free agent July 1. And he probably will.Toronto Maple Leafs v New York Rangers

2) I told youse last week that it was only 25-75 Callahan would be a Ranger after the deadline, that Dan Girardi was 80-20, and Martin St. Louis was 60-40 and Ryan Kesler 40-60. Not bad, right? Every once in a while I’m correct. Though it sure sounded like Callahan and Glen Sather closed enough ground in contract negotiations that it might get done.

3) Now about this game. Three losses in a row, IMO, where the Rangers just pretty much handed out gifts on every goal. Just slovenly play around the front of their net, since the final 12 seconds of the Chicago game, through Philly and Boston, and on two of the three goals last night (the other, obviously, was a penalty shot). They really need to clean that up in a hurry and get back to the stout defensive play that had them at 15-4-1 through the prior 20 games.

4) I really like the edge that’s showing now in Ryan McDonagh’s game. And how about Anton Stralman getting squished by Kelly Clarkson, and quickly returning the favor with an open-ice hit?

5) That’s the good. The bad is that all three defensive pairs was guilty of poor coverage around the net in this game, including the McDonagh-Girardi pair in overtime. During 4-on-4 you cannot have bith defensemen behind the net. But, if you do, the forwards have to be much, much more aware.

6) Which brings us to Brad Richards and Rick Nash, who were just woeful in their own end. Just awful. And it’s not like they created a lot, though Richards had a little more hop than usual with St. Louis on his right.

7) And that brings us to the Daily Nash-O-Meter. That needle is pointing straight down today. He was terrible, and his linemates were equally terrible, and if the Rangers are going to do anything down this stretch and in the playoffs, they need Nash, Derek Stepan and Chris Kreider to be tons better than they’ve been lately. Kreider, away from the puck, is a nightmare. Stepan just disappears. Nash was bad with and without the biscuit. That line is super stale. Maybe it’s time to try something else, especially now that St. Louis is aboard. Stepan-Nash should still be the first line. It hasn’t played like one at all.

Toronto Maple Leafs v New York Rangers8) And Henrik Lundqvist? I thought he looked uncomfortable early, and I certainly am not blaming him for allowing a penalty shot goal and two unchecked dunks. But when he’s on, he stops the penalty shot more often than not, and maybe he swipes one of the others. Again, not blaming him because of the slop around him, but he’s been better. Most of his career.

9) There was one stretch during the second period where Benny Hill music should have been playing and to that point was the highlight of the game. The Rangers had a flurry of chances down low, and Bernier lost his stick. The Rangers over-passed, Toronto’s Phil Kessel botched a 3-on-2 break, the Rangers then botched their coverage, and Jake Gardner fired a shot off the crossbar and the far post. The officials and the goal judge then botched the call, ruling it a goal, until video replay overturned it. Let’s see … 16 people on ice, including officials. Probably 10 or 11 of them botched something on that shift.

10) Then McDonagh and Dominic Moore scored twice short-handed during Richards’ penalty. Our friend iGravy had a great line. Richards wasn’t arguing the penalty, he was asking for a double minor.

11) The Rangers ended the third period during a 4-on-4, and then went to OT. So Kreider could have gone to the shower for the final six minutes or so. I know, the kid’s a nightmare defensively. But, geez, you want to try to win the game there, no? I mean, Phil Kessel and his wheels are jumping over the wall every other shift. The Rangers continue to send out the plodding Stepan and Richards. And with Richards and Nash, to repeat, the odds of being scored upon aren’t much better than, say, Kreider and Carl Hagelin out there. Right?

12) Clarkson. I like the way he went after Daniel Carcillo AFTER the officials had gotten between them. Good to see his act hasn’t changed with the big contract. Fraud.Toronto Maple Leafs v New York Rangers

13) My favorite part of Trade Deadline Day was when the guy on TSN called the Islanders a “Tire Fire.” What a disaster. How does that team, so far under the cap, not re-sign Mark Streit and trade Andrew McDonald to the Flyers. Why not just overpay them and keep them? And the whole Moulson-Vanek thing nearly blew up in their faces.

14) The Tire Fires aren’t alone as so many franchises are flinging themselves into dumpsters. I also enjoyed Lou Lamoriello scolding the Devils media, telling them they created the whole Martin Brodeur fiasco, when Brodeur had been talking all week about the possibility of waiving his no-trade clause and going somewhere else. Like Lamoriello didn’t attempt to trade him. Buffalo has just oversold, and that Clown Show up there has forced out Pat LaFontaine, who hired the GM and the coach, and Ted Nolan is probably about to be re-blackballed no matter what happens, and there’s just a skeleton of a team left. And it all started by letting Darcy Regier fire Lindy Ruff, then Regier got fired too.

14) And then there’s Vancouver, where Mike Gillis does a post-deadline presser looking as if he’s coming off the golf course. How does he allow John Tortorella to influence any moves with him so obviously imploding up there and almost certain, IMO, to be out the door in the next 4-12 months. So now that team that was so deep in quality goalies has both of them gonzo, and tried but couldn’t trade Ryan Kesler, who wanted out, and Alex Edler. What a mess. Remember when the Canucks were good? Oh, and one more. Washington, with two goalies, goes out and gets another one. So Braden Holtby gets shelled. Will that franchise ever have stability in that position? It’s like Philly, except not since 1975.

15) Don’t worry kids, the Rangers’ best pre-trade forward, Mats Zuccarello, could be back Friday. So, see ya J.T. Miller.

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My Three Rangers Stars:Toronto Maple Leafs v New York Rangers
1. Dominic Moore.
2. Martin St. Louis.
3. Derick Brassard.
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Kenny Albert’s Three Rangers Stars:
1. Dominic Moore.
2. Ryan McDonagh.
3. Martin St. Louis.
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David Rosengarten‘s Three Rangers Stars:
(drosengarten.com)
1. Dominic Moore.
2. Carl Hagelin.
3. Anton Stralman.
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Your poll vote for Three Rangers Stars:
1. Martin St. Louis.
2. Tie, Dominic Moore and Ryan McDonagh.
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  1. Sioux-per-man on

    Great review Carp!

    Love the fact that we get to watch Marty St Loius as a Ranger!

    Now with Zucc & St Loius do you think the Rangers could start getting some wins?

  2. Sioux-per-man on

    Dudley – after reading how close the Cally deal was I thought for sure they would get it signed at 37M.

    You will have to get me your email.

    And I will get you Cigar out when I get back to the states.

  3. At the game. Crowd was dead. You know who killed them? The rangers. Could be worse. It could’ve been a Knicks game

  4. Hmmmm…..my imagination…or was Carl Haglin unavailable last night….his speed is about as useless as a Formula One racecar you buy to drive crosstown Manhattan weekdays when people on foot are making better time. When we got Dorsett in that trade..and he arrived injured…we were told that when he returns to action..we are gonna love his game…apparently playing is not returing to action. Is D. Moore our best center…at least I notice him on the ice…Stepan is a total ghost…total. Richards….let me state it for the umpteenth time…take him out of the lineup and thank him for his service…and let him sit until his buyout date. He is not the worst player on the ice every night…but he is one of the worst…and any injury to him before the buyout will hurt the team more than his poor defensive and inconsistent offensive play..much, much more! I would sign Staal and MZA to extensions today. Imagine where this team would be if MZA wanted to play elsewhere…

  5. MSL looked great, he really found some good positions, seemed to have instant chemistry with his linemates.

    Coverage around the net was a problem all night and the Stralman snow-angel, followed by the standing up and looking around while 3 Leaves converged on the net was atrocious (although he played a strong game overall).

    We picked up a Bettman bonus point almost single-handedly courtesy of Dom Moore who can flat out penalty kill and is our best face off guy by a mile. Get him extended Slats!!

  6. Oncupin74yearsandcounting on

    Now if the fans would only stay away from the garden,, maybe dolan would dump sather..otherwise this is a reoccurring nightmare for ranger fans

  7. Have always liked Dom Moore’s hustle…nice to see that rewarded last night. Nice writeup, Carp.

  8. Carp, I liked the review. On point #1, I think there’s a strong chance that no GM jumps at paying Callahan what he’s asking. I’d have to think the mental dialogue goes something akin to “The Rangers topped out at $6m x 6 years for a guy they had for eight years and was their captain, if they weren’t going higher and they knew this player better than anyone – why should I?”

    Of course all it takes is one stupid GM with a blank check book to make Callahan’s dream contract a reality and we all know there are plenty of those.

  9. 3 out of 8 post Olympic points? Then that just about settles it. Good teams now view us as the tough last game of the preseason, to tune up for the regular season

  10. I’ll be first to admit that I’m not the strongest reader, but it looks like someone’s Ball Sack scored two goals and the game winner? Someone plees splain

  11. One big loser could be Callahan – he has 20 games to show 29 other GM’s why he thinks he’s worth $36m+ over 6 years.

  12. Also, Callahan’s demand for a no trade clause, if that was truly the sticking point was kind of a silly hill to die on. It would have been very tough to trade him by virtue of the terms of the contract alone – top dollar for a 20+ goal checker/PK guy. I doubt the Leafs will ever be able to trade Clarkson and it would have been unlikely the Rangers would have been able to trade Callahan, particularly as he banked more fan goodwill by being the team’s captain as time went on.

  13. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    Still gonna take some time to deal with losing Cally. I don’t usually support him, but the front office did the right thing. It was a kings ransom he asked.

    Good luck to Cally!! Enjoy the small market teams where you’ll never be known to mankind again. You have NO idea how good you had it here for a very, very, very good role player plus. Captain. Living. NYC? Wow.

    Sad what likely a few people in your ear can do. “I did it for family.”

    REALLY??

  14. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    But, he was a great captain. A hard working guy. Memories of his heart forever.

  15. Where else do you read this kind of stuff, chillen? This is the real deal, unvarnished, fair but factual. Right down to Lamoriello, who escapes scrutiny elsewhere, and despite his smarts, is rightly called to task. Lovin’ it.

  16. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    Best chant last night:

    Richards gets ready to emerge from the penalty box after the Rangers pick up their play WITHOUT him, score 2 short handers.

    “GO BACK IN!!! GO BACK IN!!!

  17. Stranger Nation on

    Just like Flyer game, had a great first, couldn’t put anything in the net, a turnover here, a missed coverage there and before ya know it, it’s 1-0 for the bad guys.

    This team cannot finish. Stralman was our most physical player.

    Nash – biggest wuss on the team; needs to grow a pair and remember he has them
    Step – Slower than slow; won’t hit anything, Mr. Dump in – he needs to carry and create, not flick it in zone, this is the 1st line, not the fourth.
    THE Kreider – still learning; needs to get away from these other two

    I would switch D Moore and Step or move Bros Hard to that pivot. Step is just awful

  18. Matty"DissapointedInCallahan"Boy on

    Thrown in the way it was, at the end, and not included from the outset…Yeah, if I was Sather, it’s a deal breaker. You don’t, at the 99th hour, throw in what should have been a tenet of the deal, if that’s what you wanted to accomplish.

  19. Everyone missing the point here. If the Kreider Stepan Nash line continues to suck we’re done.

    Especially Stepan. The kid just looks hideous. When your number one center is invisible it hard to win games.

    This organization better think real hard on Stepan cause even as he gets older more experienced I personally don’t believe he will be better. He can’t freaking skate for one and his shot isn’t great either.

  20. Seeing #19 on ice late in a tied game is agita personified. And this goes on season after season. Kreider has small clue, too, in the D zone, but he’s fast, eager, and still learning. Richie is slow and purposely disinterested in picking up a check anywhere, anytime. He knows better, but will not participate. Richie is a flu that will be caught by the yutes and must be quarantined.

  21. And McD and Girardi had about 30 minutes apiece last night. If AV has no confidence in his third pair, the top pair will be burned out way before the big dance concludes.

  22. And we’re a better team with St. Louis. As previously opined, MSL, under interview, sounds like Cally’s big brother and that’s a huge compliment.

  23. Instant chemistry is always a nice thing during a big trade, but let’s give the guys at least 24 hours to get on the same page. MSL is a great leader and will help this team. You could tell they looked out of sync at times. I’m not sold on Hamelin on MSL line. He is a very fast grinder, but lacks an offensive mind.

  24. thought Hagelin had a good game and created some turnovers..his speed is a good fit on that line

  25. Clarkson spent his time avoiding Dorsett, who does a crackerjack job at his tasks and, for some odd reason, has been under-rated here lately.

  26. Get the feeling that Hags is in awe of St.L? Can’t get a better coach. Maybe Marty can teach him how to finish.

  27. Idk bobby I have my doubts. I’m not saying it will never work, but perhaps more of a finisher would help.

  28. Thoughts:

    I wouldn’t worry fat guy, they tore things up after the deadline last year and it didn’t mean squat.

    Best player moved yesterday or not, this team doesn’t have what it takes to win. As usually they just aren’t getting what they need from crucial guys. Stepan is #1 on that list. It’s one thing when he was contributing offense you can kind of turn the other way about him being a defensive nightmare that couldn’t win a face off w a gun to his head..

    Richards will have some jump now. He’s probably under the impression that w St Louis here there’s a chance they’ll retain him..hell maybe they can sign Lecavalier this summer and have a modern day Edmonton East..

    Hey don’t worry about Krieder plenty of defensive forwards to learn from on the roster these days..

  29. Anyone think that losing the gold on home soil drove Putin to rip the buttons from his UnTuckit and start invading unwary neighbors?

  30. Stranger Nation on

    Please give us Cam for one of these two coming this weekend.

    McD/Girardi playing both PP and PK will keep their minutes very high.

    Would suggest J Moore and Stralman get some major PP minutes.
    Moore was on it last night and looked good.

  31. Stranger Nation on

    AV really wanted that game last night. More animated then we have seen him all season and even changed lines in 3rd. Double shifting Moore, sitting THE.
    He almost used a timeout also…but of course…he didn’t

  32. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Eric called out 21 correctly. Slow as mud and without a big shot. Adding what James said….step is bad on face offs. Wish they’d traded him.

  33. Stranger Nation on

    Ex3 – if they put MZA back with Bros and Pullout what do you suggest with the other two.

    My line up would be:
    Kreider – Bros – Nash
    Hags – Bucky – St. L
    Pullout – Step – MZA
    Boyle – Moore – Dorsett/Carcillo

  34. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    SNation:

    THE MSL Nash
    Poo Brass MZA
    Bucky Step Hags
    Car bomb Moore Dorsett

    Really prefer Miller in the lineup. But who sits?

  35. I like that first line. We don’t need a mucking St. Louis spending his time trying to feed a flatfooted Richards. Richie’s glory, like Rome’s, is of another day.

  36. I simply don’t understand what goes on in Kreider’s head. How can he look SO good. And have people screaming that the organization mismanaged him and Torts ruined him, etc. and then just deteriorate into a shell of his former self.

    We might be looking at the first American to get labeled an “enigma”

  37. James is right that this team just doesn’t have what it takes. I am not overly concerned about a rough patch. All teams have them. But looking at the lineup and the redundancy of player types and the lack of any playable size, grit and toughness, particularly in the bottom 6, this team is in very rough shape.

    And, yes, the arrival of Martin St. Louis and the new pep in Richards’ -step- strides probably heralds the non buyout of Richards. So get ready for that folks.

  38. I wouldn’t say Step was invisible, that’s probably too nice an adjective. Clearly we are all noticing him in a bad way these days.

    I’m not terribly sure what is the issue, is it a confidence thing?

    He looks like he can’t keep the puck on his stick to save his life can’t make even the worst defensive players miss and is unable to accept or make a pass

  39. Also, Nash looks to be shying from contact again and not getting to the center of the ice when he has the opportunity, not sure what that is about after a good 10-15 games where he was very noticeable in a good way

  40. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Since the news was just released that American Black Metal outfit *Agalloch*, hailing from Portland, Oregon will be releasing their 5th studio album entitled _The Serpent & The Sphere_ today’s *Metal* selection is from that very band.

    *Agalloch* is a very, very, very special band that produces music that sounds like it was created in the woods with a band made up of waterfalls, dead trees and ancient caves. Probably some of the most *beautiful* metal being created today.

    Here is a link to listen to what is arguably their most popular album, _Ashes Against the Grain_

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3McvtNgLGM

  41. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Drax – it hasn’t been just these days….step has been horrid the entire season.

  42. @E3 – he has been under performing all year i agree but it seems EVEN worse than previously since returning from the Olympic break

  43. Retire Brad Park's #2 on

    Every time Nash take a shot, he immediately veers off like a fighter jet….god forbid he continue to the net, hoping for a rebound…oh, that’s right, he might have to mix it up with a defenseman (eek!)…so soft

    And everyone is so ready for that spin-o-rama….get a new move…denis savard retired already

  44. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    That’s funny, Brad. Mrs. Manny calls Richard Nash “Spinny” and she knows his real name.

  45. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’m surprised that step just didn’t dump the puck in on the moore 2 on 1 goal

  46. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The Olympic break certainly was good for the rangers. Trouble is they’re playing at about 20% efficiency since returning.

  47. “Seeing #19 on ice late in a tied game is agita personified. And this goes on season after season. Kreider has small clue, too, in the D zone, but he’s fast, eager, and still learning. Richie is slow and purposely disinterested in picking up a check anywhere, anytime. He knows better, but will not participate. Richie is a flu that will be caught by the yutes and must be quarantined.”

    might be too late for that, it already afflicted Callahan, Stepan, Hagelin, even Kreider.

  48. Ironically, Richie’s best situation might be on the 4th line where his two forwards can forecheck and he can stand around outside waiting for the puck to slide out. Of course, you’ll need McD and Girardi back.

  49. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Also, last night did away with the notion that 3-on-3 hockey would be exciting. That was the single worst 1:06 of hockey I have ever seen in my life.

  50. I’m a glass half empty on this team, don’t think it’s a rough patch. I think it was a hot streak earlier and we are back to normal. Like St.Louis and Cally had to be moved, but for the playoffs our 2 weakness were too small and not enough grit…esp against Boston. Yesterday we got smaller and less gritty, team just put together horribly.

  51. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    This team is like a glass half full of Crystal Light. Some pink flavor.

  52. I’m willing to live with THE’s mistakes. He’s still young and has to learn. He’s made a lot of improvements in other areas this year.

  53. “I simply don’t understand what goes on in Kreider’s head. How can he look SO good. And have people screaming that the organization mismanaged him and Torts ruined him, etc. and then just deteriorate into a shell of his former self.

    We might be looking at the first American to get labeled an “enigma””

    I bet a “leader” like Richards approached Kreider and told him kid settle down a bit you are playing too reckless. But what he meant to say is that Kreider is making him look bad with his play.

  54. Everyone involved in that Philthy/Caps riot who was not an original combatant should be fined 50 grand so their wives can holler at them.

  55. Brad Richards: “Kid, there are two skaters on this team making more than $6MM. Watch what we do on defense and one day, you’ll make that much too.”

    Rick Nash: [shrugs forever]

  56. I’m going to blame all my expectation on Sam Rosen’s impartial enthusiasm and Joe’s expert analysis.

  57. #19 makes five horrendous displays of disregard, then Sam says, “Nice play by Richards.” Rosen’s a nice guy at a cookout, I’m sure, but he’s a Dolan/Slats stooge, sad to say.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    I had it Moore-Lundqvist-St. Louis.

    Honestly, I thought after Dominic Moore it was pretty hard to find someone to give a star to. Lundqvist was fine; you certainly can’t pin any of the goals on him. But you like to see your star netminder maybe steal one of those back, especially the penalty shot, as Bozak just absolutely had his way with Lundqvist. I wonder what Lundqvist is career-wise against penalty shots. I feel like he lets those in at a much higher percentage than he does shootouts.

    St. Louis was energetic, but man, were there growing pains between him and his linemates.

    The defensive zone coverage remains atrocious. Now the defensemen are all getting into the act. It’s just terrible. This team is about to go on a big losing streak. I’m thinking 6 games total, including the three already dropped.

  59. Doodie Machetto on

    As for St. Louis, his act is stinking more than Pepe Le Pew right now. His open letter to the Tampa fans and media says he doesn’t want to go into the specifics of him leaving, but then he openly discusses it after his first game in NY less than 10 hours later. Just seems really disingenuous, especially since he’s the big baby who sparked the whole move and strong-armed his way to the team he wanted.

  60. I enjoyed the dead trees and caves, too. I wonder if that’s a character weakness or just the Irish poet buried deep within. :)

  61. Lundqvist stole three other goals. Aside from the penalty shot, I’m not sure how much we can pin on him. The D coverage was erratic again, and McD made a rare mistake on the OT goal.

  62. because we arent a tough team the defensive coverage needs to be near perfect, last night it was bad, but during the hot streak it was much better

  63. leetchhalloffame on

    Trader’s remorse today, Uncle Glennie? You are the worst GM in hockey today. Neophyte Stevie Y took you to school. Thanks Glennie & Dolan for ruining our beloved team. Oh – also like the trades you made to toughen up our pansy team and get rid of the dead weight Boyles of the world.

  64. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    My friend, a Caps fan, is telling me why fighting in the NHL is horrible. GOD BEER ME SERENITY

  65. repost:

    While I am glad that Callahan wasn’t re-signed at his ridiculous demands, I think this was by far the worst trade that Rangers made since I became a Rangers fan.

    we essentially gave up more than 3 1st rounders for a 38 yearold undersized player. This is when we needed to upgrade our size and toughness more than scoring. The only way this trade works is if St. Louis mentors Zuccarello and Zuccarello turns into as productive player as St.Louis for the next 10-12 years.

    I am very pissed off that Sather failed to trade away a guy like Boyle who doesn’t really fit well and is taking a spot away from Miller.

    I do not understand why Sather did not upgrade the defense of Stralman and John Moore.

    I hate how Sather is throwing away picks instead of using prospects that don’t have much chance to play here and just go to waste as trade bait.

    Not even sure if we’ll make the playoffs the way teams behind us improved.

    I see we are the only team that had a ridiculously dumb trade this trade deadline.

    It boggles the mind why Sather would be so obsessed at getting a 38 yearold undersized player who is bound to hit a wall very soon. Why couldn’t he trade Callahan to Blues for whatever they were offering? A big mean power forward like Stewart who can score, hit and fight is exactly what we needed.

  66. Hobbit Wizard can’t return soon enough. Still have no clue why Miller isn’t taking his place until he does.

    Against the Leaves, Dorsett _and_ Carcillo is pretty pointless.

  67. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    JT Miller being in the Minors is a grand example of the thing I have been complaining about all season: too much redundancy on this roster. It’s why we should have made a 2-for-1 deal. Miller belongs in the NHL. In my opinion he’s a prototypical 3rd line Center.

  68. Step gets my vote for player most effected by a transition in coaching styles. Even Miller has looked good under AV and the coach doesn’t have half the confidence in him that Torts did

  69. About so called 1st line(NOT). In Nash defense. Guy is still the best scorer on this team. Unfortunately, he is playing with the two half-brained college hockey kids, one – mostly uselessly fast but irresponsible, another painfully slow but with a charming smile. Both are NOT considered an any threat to opposing teams, hence all attention on Rick, who knows he can’t rely on partners to create space for him or scoring chance and try everything alone against…you know. But of course he is not a power forward despite his size, not a hitter and defensively sux. But his unique talent is in different activities and to flourish needs thoughtful selection of benefiting(ial) partners of his level.
    BTW,I never consider Step a 1st liner. He is not and I’m afraid never will be. And I repeat myself: there is something very alarming for me in Kreider’s game.It’s in certain attitude of this obviously very physically gifted guy.(I started to watch him from Boston times)

  70. Not to change the subject, but did you guys in the BBB realize there is only one week after this until the playoffs? Manny and the Coat Checkers (not sure of the owner) seem reasonably save in 6th and 7th, but Wicky, Rob, and Eric are in a dogfight for the 8th and final spot.

  71. Seriously, if you’re -the yoyo- Miller, how do you not *hate* this organization by now? 20 year olds can’t see the *process* all that clearly.

  72. Carpy, Don’t usually do this, but I got to disagree with you on a couple of points. Was at the game BTW.

    I thought Lundqvist was real solid. Not much he could do on the goals and made a few key point blank stops.

    Don’t like the trade at all. This is a trade you make only if you are on the verge of a CUP. They need draft picks, they need young talent, they need younger players with smaller cap-friendly contracts. MISTAKE SATHER!!

    Agree that Nash and Richards were awful. Both defenseman go behind the goal and Nash is nowhere near Bozak. Girardi was awful, Klein is not great. J. Moore was lousy and Brassard also had a medicore game. Strahlman was pretty solid. Stahl had a brutal shift on the second Leafs goal.

  73. Stranger Nation on

    So Paneuf looks around and sees the (Tin Man) Boyle and the middleweights (Car Bomb & Dorsett) as his only potential combatants and proceeds to spear Richie and St. Louis with new reprisals…none

    We are so doomed

  74. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    The problem with Dorsett and Carcillo, as I see it, is that you could replace them with a heavyweight that can play but this team hasn’t done that. So you can put Carcillo on the ice, because he seems healthier than Dorsett, but Carcillo alone can’t do much. Dorsett alone can’t do much. We need Mcllrath on the back end to protect our goaltender (even though the kid isn’t a heavyweight fighter despite what people think).

    Should have gotten Gazdic and Engelland yesterday.

  75. Retire Ratty's #19 on

    As difficult as it will be for many to accept the loss of Ryan Callahan – Martin St Louis can certainly make a huge contribution and will be very exciting to watch indeed! If any are still worried about his age after reading what I found to be some pretty persuasive arguments to the contrary here – let me add this. In 1979 Jean Ratelle was just about the same age as St Louis. Yet he was the high scorer (total points) in the Bruins vs Canadiens semi-final that year. And yup that included Guy LaFleur, Jacques Lemaire, Steve Shutt and the rest on les Habs. He came within an eyelash of helping the Bruins deal the same fate to Espo’s Rangers in the finals that LaFleur’s Habs did. [And I’d guess many in NY sent heartfelt thank-you’s to Yvon Lambert back then for saving the Rangers from that embarrassment by scoring the game 7 OT goal in the infamous “too-many-men-on-the-ice” game). At any rate – I believe there are many parallels between the two situations – all of them up-side for today’s Rangers. All the best to Cally and his family. And godspeed to St Louis!

  76. Doodie Machetto on

    The narrative today is how GMs yesterday were refusing to part with 1st round picks. We gave up one and potentially two. Good thing we have old Glennie at the helm!

    Three of the deepest drafts in NHL history are 2003, 2013, and the upcoming 2015. All we will have to show from the first rounds of all three combined is Hugh Jessiman. WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  77. Even as the pick rumors of a 1st and 2nd came to light, I figured both were this year, or at least only the 2nd will be next year’s since the draft will be deeper.

    Nope.

  78. Stranger Nation on

    But those picks can’t help us in the next 2 to 3 years, so we don’t need them…

  79. I’m glad Sather explained that players you draft this year and next year aren’t going to help next year’s team as much as MSL.

  80. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    NYR is always in a “Win now or in the next 2 seasons” mode. But they just don’t fully commit to that idea.

  81. Oncupin74yearsandcounting on

    I think the no trade clause was a smoke screen.. just listen to sather and his bs .. he was annoyed by callahan ..

    I remember when they got luc robtaille what happened ?
    And next year when MSL is in his final yr do you resign him or trade him and more picks for another has been?

  82. Anyone who thinks the MSL/Callahan trade was poor needs to lose the love for a guy that is going to be 29 and is essentially Drury 2.0. He’s not going to be an effective player in 2-3 years and definitely isn’t worth more than $5 mil.

    As for the draft pick, sure it sucks to lose it in 2015 (which is supposed to be a weak draft anyway), but it’s not like Sather would do anything with that pick anyway. He’s drafted exactly ONE useful NHL player in the 1st round since his pick of Grant Fuhr way back in the early 80s (Arnott in 91 I believe) and the rest has been crap over almost 30 years.

    Tampa keeps the 1st rounder since they can’t spend to the cap and probably won’t be able to pay Callahan. I don’t necessarily like the move, I don’t hate it either. What I do like is that we won’t be paying Callahan $6.5-7 mil over 6/7 years because that’s even worse than giving away a 1st round pick.

  83. Doodie – 2015 draft is top heavy. If you aren’t in the top 5-7, it’s just average prospects after that. Unless this team tanks overnight, we don’t have a shot at McDavid.

  84. Glad to see im not the only one not feeling the Cally love today. He was asking waaaay too much, the draft picks we gave up are a cr*pshoot and we got a guy who’s going to play another 2-3 seasons at a high level, with a very manageable cap hit, scoring 30+ goals a year, possibly even 40 or more.

  85. If Sather disdains the draft I’d love to know how he is going to fill his roster down the road.

    The majority of potential quality UFAs get locked up prior.

    I guess the roster will get filled up with marginal UFAs and marginal draft picks. Or should I say mediocre.

    Same as it ever was.

  86. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    We don’t still have Hugh Jessiman, do we? Last I head he was in KHL listed as Hughski Jessimovich.

  87. Someone for the life of me explain how Dorset was put on a line with brassard and pouliot last night.

    For freaking sake can you play miller there instead for one more game until zucc is back.

    I don’t want to hear about his pk instead of cally. Not a good reason.

    That line had zero chance of scoring with Dorset on it.

    I’m freaking cranky today after watching this crap performance last night.

  88. Most of our better players have been lower round draft picks and Girardi was an unsigned free agent after the draft, so i believe was Conor Allen. Plus we can always pick up players in trades.

  89. Anyone going Sunday at 12:30. I haven’t been to a game at garden since early January and will be there .

    Flying puck at 11:00 am. Need a drink watching Stepan

  90. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Brassard and Poo sure could use Miller in place of Dorsett. I’m baffled as to why Miller is yo-yo’ed like this. The kid has played well. Better than Hags, Step, and Bucky certainly…

  91. Anything outside of the top 10 draft picks is a complete crap*shoot and as Slatscapades wants to make sure Dolan gets his playoff revenue as often as possible we are never going to be picking top 6. We will rarely have a homegrown superstar player, only complementary players or role players.

  92. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    The Rangers trade away draft picks because they either haven’t learned to exist and win in the Capped World or they refuse to acknowledge the cap. They still think you can just buy a team. Well, you can’t anymore. And for some reason Sather would prefer to throw scraps and a few aging stars together rather than draft well and build from within.

    It’s because Dolan wants a round of playoffs every year instead of a cup.

  93. Not for nothing, but Joe Pavelski is the same age, same size, same type of player, but he is a center and more productive than Callahan, and his extension after this year is 5 years, $30 million. So I do understand where Sather is coming from. And honestly I dont know where Cally was coming from with the numbers he started out with. Still cant believe the way it went down though.

  94. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    The Pavelski situation isn’t comparable to Callahan because Pavelski signed an extension while he was under contract for another two seasons.

    We had this discussion yesterday saying that Sather needs to take a lesson from the SJ Sharks and learn to lock up players for a long time at a reasonable cost while they are still under contract. He can’t wait until the last minute.

    The only comparable I can really think of is that Callahan was essentially asking for what Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf got. And he is neither of those people.

  95. And I think when you talk about winning now, well, the Rangers have been building for 10 years, and they right now have probably the best goaltender in franchise history, who gives them a chance to win every night, for another 6 (?7) years. A late first round pick chosen by Glen Sather in 2015 is unlikely to play in the NHL until at least 2018 if at all given the track record. Probably they should be able to try to win now. They have great goaltending, a generally very strong, young D corps, and enough scoring and speed up front – they really just need more size and muscle.

  96. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Sorry, Peter. Didn’t mean to sound all against you. I’m agreeing with you. Just pointing out that Sather might have tried to lock up Callahan two seasons ago for something more reasonable. Although that was pre current CBA so who knows.

  97. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    _they really just need more size and muscle_

    YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

  98. Manny – I don’t disagree, but how would our beloved Rangers fans handle that? I don’t think the fans could handle the tough miserable years needed to get those early picks and the tanking that would be necessary.

    Not to mention that even with a high first rounder, I’m not sure I trust Sather to make the right choice and take the best player available.

    So I’d love to see a full rebuild, it’d take 5 or so years. I don’t think the fans can handle that.

  99. Manny – Pavelski signed it over the summer. You can only negotiate extensions as of January 1st of the year before the contract expires. So Sather could’ve tried to sign Cally as of Jan 1, 2013 (mind you there was a lockout).

    But Pavelski signed on July 30 2013 and only had a year left.

  100. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Oh. I totally do not trust Sather to draft even moderately well. Everyone we get is pretty much by accident.

    I don’t think the fans would handle it well. Not at all. So the team, for business reasons, needs to ride the line. Find a middle ground.

    But locking up our youngsters for reasonable, long term extensions would be a nice start. Not picking up everyone elses castoffs would help. Etc…

  101. Also Cally wanted to get as much money as possible because this is his last big deal. He knows he’s not that skilled, undersized, and injury prone. He played off a few decent seasons and hopes someone pays him long term because he knows he can’t last that long in the league.

  102. The Rangers lost in overtime by making EXACTLY the same mistake that the US womens hockey team made when they lost in overtime – too many players behind the net and nobody covering the front of the net.

    For very highly paid professionals, this amateurish mistake is unforgivable. A few of them need to watch a game or two from the pressbox.

  103. Rob in Beantown on

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
    News on the New Jersey Devils expected soon…

    ???

  104. Stranger Nation on

    Slatapus tries to play GM tough guy and squeeze the home grown proven talent while he bends over and grabs his ankles for cute UFA or pretty boy.

    AV needs to earn his keep on the O side over the next 19 games, getting MZA will create three lines that can score.
    Question is…will they?

    Need to get in the dirty areas to score this time of year. Olympic figure skating was last month.

  105. Rob in Beantown on

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
    Hearing the NHL has reversed part of its penalty against the Devils for cap circumvention (Kovalchuk contract)….

    Oh. Okay.

  106. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    @DarrenDreger NHL will award Devils with the 30th pick in the Draft instead of the 1st round pick as usually determined. Also forgiving $1.5 mil of fine.

  107. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    So the stupid Devils are COMPLETELY off the hook for Cap Circumvention!?

  108. Doodie Machetto on

    Jonny D, I have heard otherwise. This year’s draft is top heavy. Next year’s draft has McDavid and 5 or 6 other extremely high-end talents, but I’ve heard that after those guys, it’s just as deep as 2013, if not deeper.

    2013 had its top tier as well (MacKinnon, Jones, Barkov, and Drouin).

  109. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Judging by how everyone is playing currently, Stepan is far and away the closest thing we have to a 3rd line centre.

  110. Doodie Machetto on

    This is one of two things, if not both:

    1) New owners had a nudge-nudge, wink-wink deal with Bettman about reinstating the pick and negating the fine as a condition to buying the team.

    2) This is a reward to Lou for being a longstanding good soldier for Bettman.

  111. Doodie Machetto on

    So now the Devils have a first in this year’s draft, and we might not.

    Great. Thanks again, Sather!

  112. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    I think this sets a bad precedent for Cap ReCapture penalties in the future. Now teams will be allowed to point to this situation and ask for some relief.

  113. Doodie Machetto on

    Which I’m sure Sather will do in 6 years with Richards’ contract (which isn’t being bought out).

  114. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I really don’t understand why everyone is so upset over a couple of draft picks. Was the price too high for msl? Yes, but everyone constantly whines about how “terrible” our drafting is. Are you all upset because you might not have as much to whine about?

    Unless you draft in the top handful of picks, it’s just a crapshoot.

  115. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    I can’t believe the NHL let the Devils off the hook. I would wager that they actually nudged Kovalchuk into this decision. He will come back eventually.

  116. Wonder what happens when the NHL figures out that Lou Armadillo negotiated Kovalchuk’s “retirement”. Better yet, they probably do know and are rewarding NJD anyway. Pathetic.

  117. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Dreger is right, this might have something to do with new ownership. UGH

  118. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    If step is such a good 2 way centre as some here claim he is, then wouldn’t he be better suited for a lower role anyhow?

    It’s pretty clear in AV’s system he is NOT a 1C.

    He’s not a 1C anywhere but in torts system.

    There needs to be some line shuffling going on IMHO.

  119. Doodie Machetto on

    wicky, Stepan is perfectly suited for a 2C role.

    Faceoffs are a huge problem for him, though.

  120. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Doodie
    Not on this team, a lot of other teams probably, but not on this one.

    He looks like a 3C right now!

  121. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Wicky – we’re talking about something else right now. Catch up, buddy

  122. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    What are we talking about then?

    I thought we were talking about the rangers?

  123. Doodie Machetto on

    Wicky, Vancouver should be pissed because they signed Luongo to a contract, that at the time was accepted by the league. The Devils are actually found to have circumvented the cap, but their penalty for that is being rescinded. Meanwhile, the Canucks had to go through all of Luongo’s BS because of the cap recapture penalty, which is being applied retroactively to a contract that was legal when it was signed!

  124. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Wicky: The Rangers will have a great argument that their penalty should be reduced should they ever get hit with a Cap Recapture for Richards. A team might even be able to sell some picks to the NHL at this point.

    NHL = COLLUSION = *RIGGED*

  125. Doodie Machetto on

    Absolutely, Wick. Although, as a Rangers fan, I’m glad we still need to buy out Richards.

  126. Doodie Machetto on

    Vancouver is the only team that’s actually felt the recapture crunch, though. They couldn’t move Luongo last year out of fear of recapture, and finally only could this year due to retaining salary and having benefitted more from his front-loading, reducing the recapture penalty to his destination team.

  127. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    But, Doodie, don’t you think that the Canucks finding a way to move Luongo as well as the signing of St. Louis means that Sather is considering just keeping Richards?

  128. So part of me sides with the Devils just because the cap circumvention rule wasn’t put in place until AFTER the Kovalchuk contract was signed…

    That being said the fact that other teams got screwed because of this (i.e. Vancouver) makes me hate this as the same time. Really fishy stuff from the league.

  129. Alternate Captains Brad Richards, Dan Girardi, and Marc Staal…come get the Stanley Cup

  130. Rob in Beantown on

    Wait, is the NHL eliminating the Devils’ cap recapture penalty from Kovalchuk’s retirement or just the initial fines and punishment imposed when the deal was signed? I’m really confused.

    It kind of makes sense the Devils shouldn’t be penalized for the initial signing if Kovalchuk is gone, and that was sort of unfair to begin with when other teams weren’t penalized.

    But if they are wiping out the cap recapture that is outrageous.

  131. If I’m not mistaken because it was under the pre-circumvention rule, the recapture penalty on Kovalchuks contract was minimal since they rejected it and had to restructure originally. Luongos was heavily front loaded, however considered legal since the last few years were over $1 mil, so his recapture penalty was significantly higher.

    So they aren’t forgiving it, but they are giving the Devils a pass for actually breaking the cap circumvention rule (which wasn’t in place yet anyway).

    It would be one thing if they allowed the Kovalchuk contract originally and did this after since his recapture would’ve been huge, but they disallowed it and the Devils structured it so they could avoid a huge cap hit if he retired early (which he did).

  132. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Interesting…I think the whole recapture penalty would be a moot point if they weren’t treating Stepan as something he clearly isn’t, a 1C.

  133. There is talk of next years cap being $68 rather than $71 because of Canadian dollar.

    Will make the Hank $8.5 that much more onerous.

  134. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Great point, Wicky.

    And yea, I heard that too Cap Geek. Do we blame Canada’s economy or America’s for that?

  135. 1 win, 1 MSL GWG, moving on will be easier. In the meantime its why? WTF? how? Thing is, we do not have all the facts and never will.

  136. Saying Lady Stepan is a # 1 center, is like saying -Nash- was worth it.

    Lady Stepan, isn’t a # 1 or 2C on most if not all of the teams who are considered to be in the hunt for the SC.

    Lady Stepan hates contact.

    Last Stepan has been MIA in the playoffs.

    He needs to go at the draft.

  137. Retire Brad Park's #2 on

    These mini losing streaks would be a little easier to handle if everyone else wasn’t winning every night, breathing down our necks and making us look like chokers.

  138. Our first line:

    *Mister Softie / Lady Stepan / Christian Brother Kreider*

    Sheesh, a bunch of non aggressive vegetarians.

    We need some predator meat eaters.

    Where are the predator meat eaters?

  139. Our second line:

    Hagelin / Richards / St. Louis

    *Hands of Stone / Legs of Stone / Pepe La Pew*

  140. The Coaches should instruct -Nash- to stop making passes to Nowhere Man, because he doesn’t play on his line.

  141. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    No politics but does this current Ukrainian crisis remind anyone else of Georgia?

    I think the bully needs a punch in the mouth!!!

  142. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    I’m the last one to defend Sather. Period.

    BUT, the deal for St Louis is being couched here and on NHL Radio as ‘overpaying’ BECAUSE yesterday most deals were for later round/conditional picks.

    HOWEVER, were any of them for anything BUT a rental?? We HAVE a top player for a year and a quarter. If we were getting him for 20 games, it would have been a 2nd or 3rd rounder, too.

  143. Did anyone see the Philties thuggery last night? That’s a team that stands up for one another.
    It’s in the organizational culture and DNA.

    And we have Stepan, Hageilin and -Nash- and the nicest group of DMen ever assembled.

  144. Zucc does.

    And Brassard gives bro hugs to the enemy in support of his teammates too.

  145. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Keep it up. the minute Sather gets his overage tough guys, Bettman will ban fighting and the rest of the NHL will have speed. Sather never gets anything first, you know that. Some things he never gets at all. Like Drafting.

  146. We need more willing/combo players. Decent size, decent skill, decent toughness and willing to initiate, willing to compete in dirty areas, willing to step up and step in for his teammates

    Miller might be a willing/combo player.

  147. The New -Nash- was recalled, defective drive shaft causing hesitation and lack of performance.

  148. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Papa
    I agree, I hate the flyers but really love the way they mix it up.

    Caps are becoming a bit of a mix it up team also…does not bode well for us :(

  149. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    No one in the regular lineup other than the Pouliot brassard hobbit line have been consistently willing to get their nose dirty, go to the “tough” areas, and stand up for one another!

  150. Wicky, they need to get The Kreider away from -Nash- and Lady Stepan. They’re setting a poor example and having a negative influence on the way he plays.

  151. Thinking about it. Gaborik and his glass frame was willing to be more physical then Nash. Nash just seems like one of those guys that would take it personally if you checked him cleanly. It has to go he needs to adds some physicality to his game, because the only power coward about him is his cut to the slot.

  152. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I agree, they need to split that top line up badly.

    I put secretariat between msl and gnash and try step between ENIGMA and Hagar.

    For now I leave the brass line alone, which seems to play well regardless of it being miller or dorsett or mza (obviously at its best with the hobbit).

    If that struggles I move brass up, seems to be the only centre we have that makes players around him better!!

  153. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    Bossy wore a helmet he colored blue by putting blue tape all over it.

  154. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    What is the strongest part of Kreider’s game offensively? Should he be around the cage? Should he be in the slot? Or is he genuinely a breakaway type guy with speed?

    If we could answer that question we could probably put a nice line together for him that highlights his strengths

  155. I really don’t understand all the hate and venom directed at Glen Sather over this trade.

    Callahan, as much as we love him, is NOT worth 6 million in cap space for banging bodies and potting a goal every once and a while. Not diminishing his effort or blue-collar skill/hockey intellect, but I just don’t see that as 6M a year player in today’s game.

    Girardi got the contract he want because he’s a legitimate 1st line right handed D, and those are hard to come by.

    Lundqvist got his money because… well, he’s generally a top 5 player at his position.

    If you consider that they were not going to sign him to the terms he wanted, and they would lose him for nothing at the end of the year, AND they could get a top 10 scorer in the league in return, I just don’t see Sather can’t make that trade.

    Do we think Dubinsky is a 6M a year player? He scores about 10 goals less than Callahan a year, and hits, fights, heart and soul guy… are they not somewhat comparable players?

    It is easy to jump on the bash Sather bandwagon, but I don’t think it is appropriate for this trade.

  156. In May, when the Garden ice begins to melt, The Enigma can highlight his strength by jumping out of the water.

  157. carp–you talk about buffalo being a clown show..they now have a ton of high picks in the next few yearsto change their direction…meanwhile,dolan continues to let sather run this team into eternal mediocrity,if we’re lucky to indeed be mediocre…they have finally broken my 50 year spirit for this team….the rangers,i say,are and will continue to be a clown show as long as this garbage continues…it’s a damn shame that so many fans like us are consumed with passion for the rangers in return we get hosed by dolan,who sees full house night after night(knicks,too)..sure,he’s a businessman but you have to give back to the customer..one day,maybe,people will wise up and stay away..passion goes so far,then you give up…i’ll still watch them,but I feel screwed again..if they win the cup,of course,i’ll take all this back,but after 50 years of watching them,there is no reason to think positive

  158. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    I would rather root for the Rangers than the 0 Stanley Cup winning Buffalo Sabres. But I get the sentiment. This team will never, ever rebuild or never, ever position itself to field a dominating team in a NHL where there is a salary cap. They will continue to try to hit the lottery season after season by making a blockbuster deal for the biggest name available.

    We just have to hope that we get lucky like with McDonagh. Total accident. Brilliant player.

  159. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Trading cally was business. Smart move. MSL is a legit superstar. Great hands, genius hockey IQ, phenomenal physical conditional, and competitive to the nth degree. It isn’t luck that he’s playing great. He has more goals this year than Cally does points. Of course, goals don’t matter….it’s just hard to win without them…

  160. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    It’s definitely borderline impossible with acquiring Martin St. Louis. Even at age 38 the guy averages over a point a game. That’s HUGE plus for the Rangers.

    Sadly, we didn’t get bigger in the bottom six or on defense and that will haunt us unless this crew can toughen up.

  161. MSL doesn’t look bad or out of place in a NYR jersey imo. Not as much as some other franchise players who were moved in the past.

  162. Rob in Beantown on

    _0 Stanley Cup winning Buffalo Sabres_

    HULL’S SKATE WAS IN THE CREASE!!

  163. Agree MattL.. Sather for once made a solid business decision not to give Cally 6per. I would have thought after seeing what Girardi signed for Cally would’ve came to his senses, but apparently he thinks the grass is greener, than being the Ranger captain .
    For those that think we give away our youth, that just isn’t the case… Plus I’ll take a sure thing over Sather’s roll of the dice draft picks…those are always spot on.

  164. Manny-O-War, King of Metal on

    It was super funny to see that rule making a comeback at the Olympics. And getting in on the controversy.

  165. The problem is that Hank’s new pads are hand carved from Corinthian leather. He doesn’t want to crease them

  166. In tonight’s performance, the role of Glen Sather will be played by the guy who played Nick Tortelli on Cheers

  167. Eddie, my initial assessment of MSL based on his play last night – he is head and shoulders better than any forward we have had here since Jagr. My fear is of the knuckleheads we have playing forward, no one is smart AND skilled enough to play with him.

    Good trade by Sather, considering the ask by Callahan. Wish we had gotten this guy when was 32. Who knows maybe he can play till he’s 42 like Jaromir.

  168. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Papa – MSL has another 4 years in the tank. His work ethic is amazing. I bet anything that he’s in better shape than everyone on our team. AV will figure it out. I honestly if allowed the opportunity,,,,MSL centering THE and Miller would be an amazing line.

  169. Eddie, Strong on his skates, fast skater, tremendous quickness to the puck, great on his turns and very balanced on his blade edges.

    The anti-Stepan.

  170. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Next year Miller needs to be on a regular line. Whoever has to go to make that a reality, so be it. I’d jettison Hags and Richards after this season…add a gritty forward with some skill….say an E Kane type….and the a Rangers join Boston and Pitt as elite in the east:

    Kane MSL Nash
    Poo Brass Zucchini
    Dorsett Step Miller
    Dorsett Moore Carbomb

  171. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Put Boyle on my above 4th line – subtract Dorsett who is now on third line

  172. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Stepan vs Caber in speed skating….would either of them ever finish the race???

  173. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’d package Step and Hags for a center with a bit of grit and skill. Add an E Kane type and kaboom…

  174. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    How about this lineup

    Kane MSL Nash
    THE Brassard Zucchini
    Dorsett Dubi Miller
    Boyle Moore Carbomb

  175. Rather see an energetic 2-way Miller up here making youthful errors of commission rather than keep watching #19 make errors of omission.

  176. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Miller left kooka Trask with his jock on the ice after that move Sunday..

  177. Retire Brad Park's #2 on

    I agree about St. Louis’ conditioning….he is like Teemu Selanne, and may be playing at a high level for 3-4 years. So let’s not crap on Sather just because it’s normal to do so.

    I didn’t want to surrender the picks, but they are always a crap shoot, and St. Louis is not.

    And I love saving $6M by not signing Cally, which should be used on a scorer with size.

  178. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Definitely spend the cally 6 million and the money we save once Bucky goes out to pasture and buy a forward with grit and skill. Also send Hags and step to somebody that likes soft players….

  179. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cally and his agent were definitely smoking some chronic asking for that kind of payday. Good for Sather…greed is never good…

  180. Retire Brad Park's #2 on

    If only Sather sticks to OUR plan of buying out Richards. That would free up $12-13 million total for some offense and resigning our pending free agents.

  181. Cally deserved a payday from the franchise. Again, you have to credit Cally for trying to get every last year and dime he could. Good for him. And, I honestly think he wanted to leave because he knew Sather wouldn’t give it to him. He wanted to make Sather look like the bad guy to NYC while assessing his true market value. He saw how Sather threw money around and then either buried or traded the guy away. He didn’t want to end up like Dubinsky.

    And, if you watch hockey, there is no denying that Marty St Louis is such a better player than Ryan Callahan. Putting emotions aside and focusing on hockey…the Rangers won this trade. To me, this is an even better trade than the Nash trade. You are simply not going to find that type of leadership, skill, and cap hit anywhere else. Marty is one of the greats of the game. Cally is a very good player but isn’t in the same echelon.

  182. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Easiest way to firm up our defense is to buy out Secretariat

  183. Cally deserved nothing from the franchise but to be treated fairly. He is a greedy slimeball. The Rangers will be better off in the long run having not overpaid him.

  184. NYR I disagree, because the Rangers brass always pays for past accomplishments. I don’t believe he deserved that type of money. 5+ yea maybe, but he lost this showdown, and good on Slats. Even better deal for us if Cally resigns with Tampa.

  185. You can’t say that Drury, Redden, Gomez, or Richards deserved their contracts either. Why is there a double standard for a homegrown guy who has been better than all 4 of them combined over his career?

    (This is probably Cally’s reasoning)

  186. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    NYR, that’s an interesting perspective.

    Truly, there is no comparison between MSL and Callahan. And, we have him at a fair market value instead of grossly overpaying Callahan.

    The key is really 2 things:

    1. We lose Callahan for 20 games (will he help their PO chances?)
    2. We gave up 2 draft picks for, essentially, what is 1 year and 20 games of MSL.

    I don’t disagree with your assessment. I can’t talk about ‘winning or losing’ the trade yet. If MSL stays healthy, he makes this team more exciting to watch. He may also help our PO chances.

  187. Now, if we toss Richie, for starters, and get a big, fast, snarly scorer, we’re (semi) golden. Where do we get one of those?

  188. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Dubie was scoffed at, too, by Sather. I don’t disagree that he likes his new ‘toys’ more than the home grown boys.

  189. Retire Brad Park's #2 on

    NYR Fan = I totally get where you’re coming from, and understand that Cally thought he was next in line.

    But they can’t continue to make those mistakes.

    I think they got this one right.

  190. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    NYR Fan, of course, when you are looking at paying FA’s, the GM has to LURE them here with big contracts. The argument is a bit flawed.

  191. Message finally sent to rest of team, too, that you can’t just unreasonably ask for the world, drag the negotiations on to the final day, and expect anything more than a ticket to ‘paradise,’ which could be Buffalo or Edmonton or worse.

  192. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    It is painful to admit that Callahan was looking for too much. However, he was.

    Not that Sather cares about what anyone thinks, but he did a good job setting limits. Kudos to him.

    Good luck to Callahan and thanks for the service to the team and the community. And, I hope he finds a comfortable new team. He couldn’t have had it any better than he had it here.

    Enjoy Buffalo, but I can almost guarantee there will be moments where he realizes money, especially when you are already rich, doesn’t buy happiness.

  193. I think Callahan thought if he signed that contract he would have been traded in a few years anyway for the next “shiny toy” as his pal Dubinsky would say.

    In that case, why not just try to get the most money possible now?

  194. It ultimately came down to that NTC. No way Cally was signing a contract without one. Sather admitted it.

  195. Retire Brad Park's #2 on

    NYR Fan – nice avatar. so glad Mats rejoined the team last year. I know where we’d be without him.

  196. Retire, thanks man. MZA was my favorite player since they signed him after the 2010 Olympics. Always knew he would make it in the NHL. It’s great to see him turning into a leader.

  197. When it looked as if Sather and Cally were closing the gap and the reporting in the media was that he would probably sign…………I said to myself, I understand and can live with it even though I thought both the years and salary
    were beyond where Sather should go.

    However, if he had to sign him, I prayed that Sather would not go for a NTC. If that was truly the reason the deal wasn’t done, it was a great decision by Sather.

    Landing St Louis was also a great decision by Sather. Although, that one apparently fell in his lap due to MSL’s. Trade demand to Whyzerman.

    As for the draft picks. # 1 draft picks are overrated unless you’re picking at the top of a draft in blue chip can’t miss prospect territory.

  198. Rob in Beantown on

    Rangers have a lot of letter options next season. Should be interesting. I really want McD to get one, but can he really leapfrog Girardi, Staal, St. Louis, Nash, etc? Nash should *not* get one IMO.

  199. Rob in Beantown on

    Staal or Girardi with the C, the other with an A, and St. Louis as a veteran A would be fine, I guess.

  200. He was pretty shaken up by the trade. I saw him get interviewed yesterday. Probably wondering who is going to set him up for that one timer now…

  201. I really hope they
    see the light
    and trade -Nash- this summer.
    He needs to get
    out of town.
    NY is not the place
    for him to shine.

  202. Callahan’s gotten about 3 minutes of ice in period 1. Loved that guy, feel terrible for him. Hope the NMC was worth giving up being captain of the NY Rangers and $36 million.

  203. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Nyr fan, my Brutha, there is no doubt that Cally, right now, is not Redden, Gomez, Dreary et al. But, fast forward 3 years and I think your closer to Gomez than not…..

  204. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Slats grew a pair re: Cally. Lets hope Stepan gets the message. Goose down soft doesn’t merit big time green.

  205. NHL gives NJ their 1st round pick back #30, for cheating with Kovapuke. Seems fair to me……wtf

  206. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't hit me Callahan!!!"...says Greg L. on

    MSL can’t be that good , Canada didn’t want ’em on the team at the start .Cally can’t be that bad , team USA had him in there right away .

  207. Olga Folkyerself on

    All that precious Cap space saved by not signing Cally. I can’t wait to see which old UFA Sather blows it on.

  208. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Torts losing 3-0 in the first. Something tells me he won’t be winning the Jack Adams this year.

  209. I hope Cally bought his Sun Screen. Being Irish and of fair skin, it’s important he protect himself from the harmful Florida rays.

  210. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cally was a great ranger. But in the cap world, getting all you can ultimately hurts the team. Especially if you aren’t worth what your asking for.

  211. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't hit me Callahan!!!"...says Greg L. on

    Funny how the idiot Slatsko posts updates on the Chicago game…

  212. Hahaha Canucks fans hoping Torts quits since they know he isnt getting fired… this is great. So glad he’s someone else’s problem now.

  213. “Cally was a great ranger.”

    Yup. With the potential to become one of the greatest. Too bad.

  214. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Slatsko – totally agree. It’s sinful what Richards is being paid. Same with Hank ……the pie is only so large. Taking too much means less for everyone else and hockey players are supposed to be different. They’re not prima donnas – bling bling 600 pound gold chains blah blah blah

  215. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    I just don’t understand why Stogypus drew the big line in the sand with Callahan, when you know he will overspend again on July 1st.

  216. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Given the axiom: there is always someone better.. ….interesting thought… Is Tam better than Hank. This year I think so….

  217. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Slatsko – overspend on someone who’s shelf life is longer and more productive and effective….

  218. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Snation – trade Hank for a great return and let Tam carry the team? Good idea or not?

  219. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Slatsko was the only bidder on St Louis and he still overpaid. I think when they operated on his prostate they nicked his brain. He’s gotta be senile. Yzerman cheated him just like when I was a kid I used to wait until grandpa dozed off and I just removed a few checkers while his eyes were closed.

  220. Stranger Nation on

    We went from one of the grittiest teams in the league that couldn’t score to one of the softest teams in the league that cant score.

  221. In sports,
    If a salary cap is meant
    to protect owners from greedy players
    And level the playing field
    among the teams and markets,
    Wouldn’t a revenue cap further
    protect the owners from greedy owners?
    Wouldn’t a revenue cap also protect we fans
    from both the greedy owners and players
    and further level the playing field among fans
    So that you need not be rich
    To attend a game with your family?

  222. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Where would Cally play on the Ducks? Blues? Hawks? Pens? Bruins? Kings? Third line checking forward that scores 15-18 goals. Works hard. Throws good checks on his first 4 shifts. Great PK guy. Blocks shots and gets hurt a lot….

  223. Yeah, he was asking too much, maybe. Yeah, he was declining, maybe. Yeah, I’m a raging Callahan fan but I really liked watching the kid play.

    You all remember him catching your eye. We all thought him the only choice as the C, he earned it we all said. and I liked the team we became, best season since the cup. They had the city buzzing and all of us believing.

    Sure, I’m holding onto that but it was fun, I want it again. I’m not sure we got closer to that yesterday.

  224. I think a coach wants a Captain who leads on and off ice, and someone who is more apt to nicely but firmly tell a complaining player or players to suck it up and work within the system rather than bringing every gripe to the coach. That would be my choice.

  225. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Seedub – 2 years ago was a run. They burned out against the devils….happy days will be here again…we need to shed 3 players and replace them with some skill, size, and grit and we are among the elite in the east…easier said than done…but there’s a lot of good on this team…

  226. Eddie, remember when MSG had orange, yellow, green, blue & red seats? Those were they days.

  227. Time to watch more “The Joy of Painting” to cope with everything that’s gone on the last several days!

  228. Stranger Nation on

    POs are a crap shoot – Maple Loafs come minutes from beating Bs and then Boston in finals, Pens getting knocked out early, Debbies making it to finals

    That being said, we do not have the internal fortitude to get it done

  229. -Nash- must be the first to go this off season. He’ll command a decent bounty, perhaps from one of those silly teams North of the border. Maybe we can fleece the Canadians again with Gomez 2.0???

  230. Hope so E3, but Sather is doing the choosing and well let’s just say I don’t have much confidence.

  231. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Who would be stupid enough to take Nash at 8 mil for 3 more years? The only one stupid enough is Sather, and he’s the one who gave him the contract.

    Doesn’t he also have a NTC?

  232. So far, since the end of last season the Rangers have swapped head coaches with another team. Swapped captains with another.

    Now can we please swap President/GM with another team??

  233. It sucks seeing Callahan go. I true homegrown kid who is / was heart and soul of this organization for a while…but in the end, the business side of the game wins.

    I think Sather did good this time.

  234. CCCP, I agree that Sather did what he had to do on this one.

    That doesn’t mean I want him here next year.

  235. Renney got fired after a blowout loss in Dallas i think. Torts got hired…

    Is Torts getting fired after a blowout loss in Dallas?

    Hope not, im enjoying this.

  236. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Cally may not have been worth it, but it never stopped Sather before. Besides he’s just gonna overspend on the next over-aged UFA in July.

  237. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Torts losing 6-1. Missing Jam. Looks like they aren’t too keen on the “process”

  238. Romeo

    I don’t want Sather here yesterday! But we are not getting our wishes granted… the stogie boy is here till he pushing up daisies

  239. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    CCCp – soon torts and sully will be looking for work…should AV hire both? Torts could scream, berate, and insult players and sully can do whatever it is that sully does…

  240. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    CCCP, and that is why I’m making my time meaningful and enjoying the Black Hawks win Stanley Cups. When Sather is gone, I will at least have hope for the Rangers.

  241. “Yup. With the potential to become one of the greatest. Too bad.”

    Get real. He was never great and never will be great.

  242. doesn’t Marty’s 5.625 salary supplant Cally’s supposed 6 mil?

    whats all this talk of extra millions to spend?

  243. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't hit me Callahan!!!"...says Greg L. on

    I miss the days when no one knew what the player made…

  244. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't hit me Callahan!!!"...says Greg L. on

    Where’s Olga? She already passed out drunk?

  245. I do not believe there is a chance we are good enough to win a Cup this year. Which is why I don’t get why we did not move Boyle, Stralman, and Moore and why we wasted a pick on Diaz. Which is why I hope we get bounced from the playoffs in the 1st round to get a higher 1st round pick and keep our 1st round pick. And I really hope Callahan re-signs in Tampa so we could get a 2nd round pick.

    So basically the best (realistically, because we are not going to win a Cup with this soft lineup) scenario now is to make the playoffs get our feet wet, see how each player performs in the playoffs under a new system, lose in the 1st round. Retain 1st rounder which could be mid to late teens. Try to use Kristo as bait to move up. Re-sign maybe Pouliot and Moore and Carcillo, let go of Boyle and Stralman. Buy out Richards. Trade Stepan and John Moore for some power forward. Stepan for Kassian + 2nd rounder? Sign some versatile 3rd/4th liner(s) that can play physical, fight, score, kill penalties etc. And hopefully Callahan does one final favor and re-signs with Tampa. But really this season the lineup was so soft it made me want to puke.

  246. Sather should have just traded Callahan for 1st rounder+. Then we could have traded 3 1st rounders for almost any player in the NHL.

    Also these last 20 games if Hagelin doesn’t wake up, they need to trade this softie.

    re-signing Zuccarello is a must.

  247. Next season:

    Nash-???/Miller-St.Louis
    Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello
    Pouiliot-Lindberg-Fast
    ???-???-??? need 3 tough rugged grinders

    Girardi-McDonagh
    ???/UFA-Staal
    McIlrath/Skjei/Allen-Klein

  248. Callahan was supposed to be a character guy, but once he made ridiculous contract demands he revealed what he was all about. You can’t put a price on intangibles and Callahan did without a shame and once you overpay through the nose for intangibles they are no longer intangibles. On top of that Callahan was not a big scorer to begin with and was starting to slow down. Also for a leader he wasn’t vocal enough. A captain needs to be a lot more vocal.

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