Penguins at Rangers tonight (8 p.m.) … pre-game notes


Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

Wednesday, Dec. 18, 8:00 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 16-17-1 (33 pts)
Penguins: 24-10-1 (49 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the Pittsburgh Penguins at Madison Square Garden (8:00p.m. — TV: NBCSN; Radio: Bloomberg Radio), as they continue their franchise record nine-game homestand. The Blueshirts rank fourth in the Metropolitan Division standings, and 10th in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 16-17-1 (33 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Calgary Flames, 4-3, in the shootout on Sunday and are now 1-3-1 on the homestand. The Blueshirts are tied for fourth in the conference in ROW (15). The Penguins enter the contest with a 24-10-1 (49 pts) record to rank first in the Eastern Conference, and have won nine of their last 10 games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the New York Islanders on Friday, Dec. 20

All-Time: 119-103-23-9 overall (67-50-9-3 at home; 52-54-14-6 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the second of four meetings this season, and the second and final meeting at Madison Square Garden. New York is 1-0-0 overall (1-0-0 at home; 0-0-0 on the road), following a 5-1 win on Nov. 6 at MSG. The Rangers had 11 different players register a point in their first meeting, while Brian Boyle (one goal, one assist) and Brad Richards (two assists) each tallied two points in the contest. Henrik Lundqvist made 28 saves in the win.
Last Season: New York was 1-3-1 overall (1-2-0 at home; 0-1-1 on the road). The Rangers’ power play was 4-16 (25.0%) in the series, while their penalty kill tallied one shorthanded goal. Brad Richards led the Rangers in scoring with five points, and tied with Derek Stepan for the series lead with four assists apiece. Henrik Lundqvist was 1-3-1 with a 2.63 GAA and .906 Sv%.
The Rangers have won their last two meetings against Pittsburgh at Madison Square Garden, and have out-scored the Penguins, 11-2, in those contests.
New York is 6-9-1 at home; Pittsburgh is 9-7-1 on the road.
New York is 5-5-1 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents; Pittsburgh is 11-4-0 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents.
New York lists two former Penguins on their roster: Arron Asham (2010-11 – 2011-12); Dominic Moore (2006-07).
Pittsburgh lists one former Ranger on their roster: Pascal Dupuis (2006-07).

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. PENGUINS: Henrik Lundqvist – 48 GP, 24-18-6, 2 SO, 2.39 GAA; Brad Richards – 39 GP, 9-32–41; Rick Nash – 15 GP, 7-5–12; Derick Brassard – 7 GP, 2-6–8; Dan Girardi – 42 GP, 1-13–14.

The Rangers’ power play is 6-30 (20.0%) in the last 10 games.
The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in 13 of the last 17 games (40-44, 90.9% over the span).
Is tied for second in the league with three goals in 5-on-3 situations
Power Play: The Rangers were 0-4 (6:00) on Sunday vs. Calgary. New York ranks 15th in the NHL overall (20-112, 17.9%), and 25th at home (7-55, 12.7%). The Rangers are 3-11 (5:44) in five-on-three situations (last – 12/15 vs. CGY), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read); 11/19 vs. BOS (Paille).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 4-5 (7:25) on Sunday vs. Calgary. New York ranks sixth in the NHL overall (90-105, 85.7%), and is tied 12th at home (39-46, 84.8%). The Rangers are 2-3 (2:49) in three-on-five situations (last – 11/4 vs. ANA), and 4-6 (4:29) when three-on-four (last – 12/15 vs. CGY). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in three four-on-four situations (4:19) on Sunday vs. Calgary, and are now -1 in 35 four-on-four situations (53:09) this season. Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard); 12/12 vs. CBJ (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (4): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes); 12/8 vs. WSH (Grabovski, PS).

RINGMASTERS: The Rangers have won 231-411 faceoffs (56.2%) through seven games in the month of December, including a season-high, 41 faceoff wins (41-64, 64%), in a 3-1 victory on Dec. 5 at Buffalo. The Blueshirts have five players – Derek Stepan (81-150, 54.0%), Brad Richards (43-74, 58.1%), Dominic Moore (39-57, 68.4%), Derick Brassard (36-68, 52.9%), and Brian Boyle (30-53, 56.6%) – with 30 or more faceoff wins over the span.

GOALIE GREATS: Henrik Lundqvist is one appearance shy of tying Ed Giacomin for third on the Rangers all-time goaltender appearances list. The current leaders: 1. Mike Richter – 666; 2. Gump Worsley – 582; 3. Ed Giacomin – 538; 4. Henrik Lundqvist – 537.

BROADWAY DEBUT: Rangers’ defenseman Dylan McIlrath was credited with one hit in 8:55 of ice time while skating in his NHL debut on Thursday against Columbus at Madison Square Garden. He became the second Blueshirt to make his NHL debut this season, along with forward Jesper Fast in the season opener on Oct. 3, 2013 at Phoenix. McIlrath was originally selected by the Rangers as a first round choice, 10th overall, in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft.

Derick Brassard – 6 points from 200th NHL career.
Michael Del Zotto – 9 assists from 100th NHL career.

INJURIES (65 Man-Games Lost):
Marc Staal (IR – concussion on 12/7, out indefinitely) – 4.
Ryan Callahan (IR – sprained MCL on 12/10, 4 weeks) – 2.


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  1. Milestones in sight- MDZ 9 assists away from 100 career.

    In sight, really?

    Wonder how long that will be appearing in these pre game notes?

  2. Would have bet Eddie had more games as a NYR. Carp what was there best combo ever Ed/Villimure or Richter/VBK?..

  3. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    NBC SN, FYI, has a ‘Rivalry’ show on 10:30 the night before (at least last night they did) illustrating the genesis of the rivalry between the two teams playing on ‘rivalry Wednesday’.

    Have to say, there is past. From the Graves slashes on the ‘biggest complainer ever’, to Orphik’s illegal knee of Step, to Crosby’s uncalled slew foot of Cally, to Henrik calling Crosby out for being an overacting dropsy crybaby, to Torts’ comments about the organization and subsequent fine…..there is some.

    Too bad we are ill prepared to play this team now. They are 9-1 in the last 10.

  4. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Gentlemen: “Prepare your “FIRE SATHER” chants and banners!!”

  5. Paging lundqvist. Paging henrik Lundqvist.

    Oh and maybe fleury has one of those blow up nights,

    A kid can dream can’t he?

  6. Rob in Beantown on

    It seems like the Rangers overperform against the Penguins of late, for some reason, so I’m guessing 3-2 Rangers. We still stink though.

  7. We need to take advantage of their depleted defence and try and pin them in their own end for long stretches, bang the bodies and wear them down. The only guys doing that the other night were Kreider, Moore, Dorse, Pouliot and Hagelin. I really want to see Nash just level someone and say “I’m back!” but he seems to be a bit more tentative with the contact.

  8. I loved it when Torts said “I wonder what would happen if we did it to their two whining stars?”

  9. He probably won’t be on the ice at the same time but any Ranger fan would be lying if they didn’t want to see McIlrath flatten Skidney with a hard hit tonight.

    Tanner Glass (6’1 205lbs) – I’ve heard the phrase “Titanium Jaw” – but he hasn’t really tangled with any big heavyweights before so could be an interesting tilt if it happens.

  10. Good morning, boneheads!

    I thought Glass was injured. They have multiple injuries on defense- Letang, Martin, Orpik, Skuderi. Malkin is questionable too, I’d think.

  11. Hedberg

    I’ll chip in: Giacomin/Villemure were really good, especially ’70-’71 and ’71-’72. But Eddie, as beloved as he was, never stole a series for the NYR
    in the playoffs. Never singlehandedly put the team on his back and willed them over the top. Truth be told, never quite as great as the legend would suggest. Villemure’s appearances in the playoffs, signficantly vs. the Bruins in Game 6 of the SC Finals at MSG in ’72, show that Emile Francis’ faith in Eddie was anything but absolute.

  12. This is the most *correct* thing that *Carp* , or anyone, has *ever* said:

    @rangersreport GMs and union don’t want long suspensions. It’s not on Shanahan.

  13. you beat me to it Stemmer.
    Eddie, and Villemure did for a longer period than Beezer and Richter, but the 2 best goalies of the 4 of them, were Beezer, and Richter. I was a big Villemure fan as a kid.

  14. Manny,
    a bunch of us have said the same thing many times over. the league wants this stuff to happen!

  15. I totally agree. I’m in the crowd that has been saying it.

    I mean, Thornton jumps Orpik, who gets hurt. But then Thornton appeals his suspension and Orpik’s dues to the NHLPA go to assist in reducing the penalty! Same thing with Richards and Kaleta. Richards is like Czar of the NHLPA. It’s insanity.

    But I still think that the suspensions and penalties are very, very severe. More than in any other sport since a player like Neal forfeited $112K. That’s nuts.

  16. jimG the desertrat on

    Lets make a statement tonight! Well, maybe a strong suggestion! Oh hell, lets whisper please let slats vaporize into the Canadian mist……….

  17. Lets just not play the first 20 minutes like we did against the Preds and Flames (and numerous other teams this season).

  18. Stranger Nation on

    Realize we are talking apples and hand grenades when comparing two sports, but there are some analogs for suspension based lost pay in NFL.

    in 2011, Detroit lineman Suh was suspended 2 games and forfeited $165K+ of salary. NFL hands out way less than these, but there is precendent.

    Most of the NFL suspensions are substance abuse related. Von Miller’s lost salary of $806,161.76 (based on a full 2013 base salary of $2,284,125), his total financial losses for the six-game suspension will be *$2,020,425.76*

    A million here and a million there, soon you are talking real money.

  19. I just read some posts that illegally post “Kreider” instead of “The Kreider”.

    I’ll ignore those and say that tonight is what I like to call …


  20. Definitely The Doctor. I’m shocked at the NHLPA but it’s the same thing they all do. As an attorney, I don’t see how it’s not a conflict of interest. They are essentially represneting *both* sides of the issue.

  21. Stranger Nation on

    For all the Nash bashing going on, it is interesting to note that both Step (1st goal in 11 games; +2) and THE Kreider; (1st goal in 5; +2) both scored while playing on his line last game.
    He may not be physically engaged, but still has teams focused on him, thereby creating room for others with the talent to take advantage of it.

  22. Nash has been quiet, no defending that. Kreider’s goal was score with Boyle on the ice, not Nash.

  23. 1) Giacomin

    2) VBK

    3) Richter

    4) Villemeure

    Hard to put Vill. in this group, career backup only 205 games all with a very strong team D. 5 playoff games.

    VBK, Richter a toss up.

    Poorly handled by Neal Smith held onto until expansion draft only got Doug Lidster in return.

    Eyewitness to many many games of all.

  24. Stranger Nation on

    Bull Dog – Boyle got the secondary assist, but Nash but the ‘+’ proving how important that stat is…

  25. Manny, you wonder if the problem is that Shanahan works for the league and not for the PA or as a neutral. Its almost like injury suspensions are treated as offenses against the league rather than offenses against the player.

  26. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Good morning heads!

    These dirty hits are getting out of control. It seems to be happening once a week… if not more. Sad times.

  27. CG, I would put Richter ahead of VBK fort the Cup alone, but I think he was a better goaltender. I didn’t get a chance to see Giacomin play.

  28. Typical Montreal thug with the slight leg tap there. If they want change, they should trade that dude. To NY.

  29. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Things need to be relative. A 2 game suspension in the NFL is 1/8 of the season.

    Baseball has 162 game season if i’m not mistaken. Suspending a player for 3 or 5 games is meaningless. It’s over in an instant. Now, the penalties for PED violations are steep. THAT is a deterrent.

    Hockey has an 82 game season. 2 games is not even a slap on the wrist. 15 games for Thornton is appropriate for what he did. Actually, IMO he should have got MORE. That wasn’t a hockey play, it wasn’t even a questionable hit from behind. It was a flat out assault. He has the right to appeal, but I think the NHL should uphold the suspension.

  30. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    What’s hilarious… is Sean Avery was suspended what… 6 games for his ‘sloppy seconds’ comment, and had to go to some sort of therapy.

    James Neal gets suspended 5 games for purposefully kneeing a fallen defenseless players head.

    Sean Avery certainly did his fair share of questionable things (stick to tim thomas’ head, questionable ‘fight’ with Smid, etc…) but to that point he was never suspended for anything.

    Just makes you shake your head.

  31. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Needless contact by Pacioretty. Granted, it looks like Smith helped sell it, but what is Max doing dragging his leg in to Smith?

    Another player who is sneaky dirty. Remember his hit on McMonster?

  32. I can tell you one thing.

    The Boneheads would have LOVED Giacomin. You would have all loved his willingness to drop the gloves himself with the big bad Bruins.

  33. This is why we need an *impartial* arbitration *panel* to conduct these hearings and levy the punishment.

  34. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Speaking of McMonster…

    If Mcilrath sticks in the lineup, and becomes the best we all hope he is…. who gets the McMonster label?

    Do we go with McMonster and the UnderMcTaker?
    Or is it MacTruck and MacDiesel?

    inquiring minds need to know…

  35. Maybe the suspension money should go to an end of year party so active players don’t feel like suspensions reduce the total salary pool.

  36. Kristo called up yet? on

    I agree with Thorton’s suspension. 10 isn’t enough, 20 would be about right.

    If NHL doesn’t uphold it, it’s a joke!

    What if something like that ends a players career?

    Until they start fining the teams Millions, it’s never really going to get out of the game.

  37. _Until they start fining the teams Millions_

    This this this. If you don’t want Kaleta’s in the league, stop having the only punishment be to Kaleta himself. Either fine the teams big as well or play with 19 when a guy is suspended.

  38. It still does, *Carp*. I think they just gave some money to someone for assistance with medical bills.

  39. Kristo called up yet? on

    Penguins are beatable, with Malkin out, their top 4 defensemen are out.

    I’m thinking Ulf’s kid Philip Samuelsson gets his 1’st NHL goal tonight. Just to keep up the 2013 tradition at the Garden, of rookie gets a goal.

    Would ULF smile if he gets one on Hank?

  40. AV: “Alright, defensemen line up in age order, left to right, I’m going to decide who’s playing tonight …”

    AV: [starts counting from the left]

  41. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    I would pay good money to have seen Mcilrath plant Crosby on his backside.

  42. *Tappen Update*

    @KathrynTappen Truly honored to be heading to Sochi w/ @NBCSports. It’s a dream come true to cover the Olympics, esp with this broadcasting team. #TeamUSA

  43. @PLeonardNYDN As expected Asham will go in for McIlrath


    What an absolute waste

  44. Kristo called up yet? on

    If the Thorton/Kaleta’s of the league knew they were going to be fined $1,000,000 and the Team $1,000,000 it would come to an end. They would think twice before they committed such a crime.

    And the owner of the team, might think twice of employing such a player.

    Just think if it ended a players career, as in Steve Moore’s hit. $2 wouldn’t even scratch the surface of what that player could have made. Personally I think Bertuzzi got off to easy by the NHL. Steve Moore gets his day in court come September 2014, he is asking for $38M against Bertuzzi. (I’m thinking he gets at least half of that amount, he hasn’t played a game since).

  45. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Ridiculous if they scratch macilrath.

    Thornton should have got 25+ games.

    Engelland and bortuzzo shouldn’t have gotten anything.

  46. Kristo called up yet? on

    LOL CARP!!!

    I’m thinking everyone knows that by now :)

    These are my favorite stories in Hockey.

    Kid vs Coach/Dad, it doesn’t get much better than this!

  47. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Does McIlrath have to watch the game from the Chase bridge? Or does he go to the Chase Press box? Does he get to eat for free or does he have to hit a Chase ATM?

    A sad day when you get chased from the lineup for Asham.

  48. Agreed 100% Wicky. The Bertuzzo and Engelland hits are fine. I’m also pretty fine with the Wilson hit. He’s flying so it’s charging or whatever but Schenn cannot be in that part of the ice with his head down.

    Guys used to go into the corners and the “dirty areas” expecting to get drilled. Thus, absord the hit and THEN move the puck. Now they try to make a fancy play with their head down and then turn into a hit to draw a penalty.

  49. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Actually, I would say he more accurately got chased from the lineup by the mad bomber, Norris, or Falking A

  50. Kristo called up yet? on

    If you break the Hockey code like Thorton or Bertuzzi, I really don’t care how much money they are fined, it really isn’t enough.

    I’m all for old time hockey, and sticking up for your players in the heat of the battle. I’m NOT a fan of ending their career.

  51. Does any team employ more useless older players than we do? I get older if they’re good and I get useless if they’re young and cheap and maybe could be better, but old and useless is the worst.

  52. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Clearly a bad move on schenns part turning into the boards, charging for sure…waaaaay to much speed in the game (as I’ve said many times here).

    If the league is serious about safety, it will focus on slowing the game down not knee jerk fighting and hit responses.

    And if the league is really worried about “goon” only players, perhaps it should put in minimum ice time rules. IE a player in your line up must play a minimum of 8 minutes a game or something like that.

  53. @PLeonardNYDN 48s
    Glen Sather sitting at scratched forward Taylor Pyatt’s locker chatting with him. Hmmm #NYR

  54. Sather: “I just … I know this is awkward for a veteran to hear. I spent most of the morning trying to put the right words together but it never really sounded the way I wanted but I have to say it anyway. Here it goes … you have _amazing_ eyes. Seriously … like nothing I’ve ever seen before. I’m a 100% heterosexual man and I melt. I hope that wasn’t weird. Also, I traded you to Columbus this morning. They’re expecting you later tonight.”

  55. Rob in Beantown on

    I think the Wilson hit is really bad. It’s a textbook charge obviously, cause he accelerates before the hit, but it’s so dangerous to do that so close to the boards, regardless of whether Schenn’s head is up or down. It’s one thing to get drilled but to charge a guy so close to the boards is just reckless.

  56. But seriously, any chance Pyatt + a prospect to Montreal for Diaz with Montreal adding size for the sake of size?

  57. Stranger Nation on

    Pre-game Checklist:: Opponent: Pissburgh Guinees
    Rookie Goal: 2
    4th Liner Goal: 1
    Ex-Ranger Goal (Dupuis?): 2
    Penalties ‘drawn’ by Crosby: 3

    NY Rangers:
    Henk Glove side goal: 2
    MEZ caught up ice leading to odd man rush: 2
    Boyle Giveaway(s): 3
    Nash shifts avoiding contact: 11
    Richards shots rushed from anywhere: 6
    McD TOI: 28
    Girardi Snow Angels: 3

    Announcers: Salmon Joe

    Mentions of Crosby’s greatness: 20x
    Mentions of Malkin’s greatness: 10x
    Mentions of Cooke Rehabbed image: 2x
    Mentions of Olympic Rosters: 10x
    Mentioning a Staal: 2
    Mentioning Big Thighs: 3

  58. Agreed, Rob. Its one you look at and say “well what the F did you think would happen???” Those need to go. BIG HITS(!!!) need to take a backseat to “I could ruin this guy’s career / life”.

  59. = In accordance of Holidays’ Spirit =
    Thank you JAMES for affordable seats and food for at MSG.
    Thank you GLEN for our long,Happy Childhood and quiet, careless Golden Years without silver.
    Thank you ALAIN for giving us a Hope albeit short lived.
    Thank you 16 NHL teams for giving us a Joy of Victory this season even against our will and efforts.
    Thank you all Rangers fans for knowing game better than professional coaches and players, rules – better then referees and NHL business and finances better then any GMs, administrators and CPAs on a payroll.

  60. So *Pyatt* has to be waived, right? They can’t get anything for him….

    Maybe Sather is reminding him to be a leader when he’s sent to Hartford? Maybe he’s trying to do him a favor and trade him so he can play with his brother?

  61. I have to give Emile credit for purchasing Eddie G. for 25K from an AHL team, Providence, I believe it was, at age 25, and having the guts to install Eddie as the main man in the nets, for so long.

    Where Emile lacked courage was in 1966-1967, when he went with three stopgap, veteran, defensemen to round out the D and go with Howell and Neilson – talking about Wayne Hillman, the wretchedly deficient Arnie Brown, and backup D Al MacNeil – all the while having Rod Seiling and the wonderfully pugnacious Bob Plager as young kids who were already ahead of the three plugs in terms of what they brought to the games.

    This team collapsed from second to fourth place on the final weekend, that season, all because the lack of depth and quality on the blueline caught up with them and killed them. Then, in game one in Montreal, this team again collapsed, blowing a 4-1 lead with 12 minutes remaining in the game, in what qualifies for me as one of the three most painful losses the Rangers have suffered, in my considerable time as a fan and supporter of this team, the other two being game seven vs. Philadelphia, in 1974 – the Captain Vic Hadfield joking about defeat in the penalty box at the end of the game debacle; and the 4-3 loss in Chicago which kept the Rangers out of a SC Final they could have won, that year. The Rangers had the better record in a stronger division, but Chicago got the home game seven. It was highway robbery for the league to shaft the Rangers like that – but they wimped out and accepted it.

  62. Rob in Beantown on

    Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord
    AV on Taylor Pyatt: “He’s on the outside.” Said he was given top-six forward opportunities, didn’t *grab it*.

  63. Being surprised Pyatt couldn’t perform in the top 6 is as dumb as expecting Brassard to be *consistent* playing with garbageheads. Maybe AV should have watched a little video of last year so he knew what the hell he had on his roster.

  64. That’s the single dumbest thing i have ever heard.

    I guess the NHL is protecting GM’s who drink too much Egg Nog and get in the holiday spirit…..

  65. Stranger Nation on

    Don’t remember Gomer Pylon getting ANY top 6 minutes this season, nor should he. More double talk from the French Poodle and the Wizard of 34th St.

  66. @Citizenkwarren FYI @TSNJR Looks like *Methot and Gryba* are healthy scratches on Senators defence tonight

    Speculate away

  67. *What exactly is the Holiday Roster Freeze?

    It is a proviso of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement that limits the movement of players around the Christmas holiday.

    Simply stated, it prevents any players on NHL active rosters or injured reserve from being traded, waived or loaned from midnight (local time) Dec. 19 until midnight (local time) on Dec. 27.

    There are a couple of exceptions to this rule. Teams may sign players during the roster freeze or call up players if roster space becomes available. Also, if a player is placed on waivers before Dec. 19, he must immediately report to any team that claims him during the Holiday Roster Freeze period.

    NHL clubs also can make any roster moves necessary to come into salary-cap and roster limits when removing a player from the Bona Fide Long-Term Injury/Illness Exception.*

  68. Kristo called up yet? on

    Asham sure was ALOT of help the last game he played.

    Pyatt out, is there even a chance we could see Pack leading GOAL scorer???

  69. So with Callahan out and Miller in the AHL, is it fair to say that only 75% of our forwards are guys a normal team would really want active? Boyle, Brassard, Dorsett, Hags, Kreider, Nash, Richards, Stepan and Zucc. Right? That’s gross. And of the other 4 options, its 3 guys 32+ and a 27 year old enigma. Upside is for nerds.

  70. Not sure those dates are right, the article was from a few years ago, but it looks like its about a week in duration sometime around Christmas.

  71. In all this discussion about hits, most important IMHO, is INTENTIONS. Intentions matters – my blood boils when I see intentional actions to make a physical damage to opponents (except fair fights) and I do believe that it’s a defining factor when board determine longevity of suspension. Understood, it sometimes hard to defy. I for one, consider Wilson hit reckless, but not intentional, when Thornton(regardless, BTW, of outcome – degree of inflicted injuries), deserves a fire squad without parole…

  72. Kristo called up yet? on

    Kristo for Christmas?

    Asham isn’t the answer, that’s for sure!!! So we get one final look at him before we go into the freezer.

    I know, that make too much sense for a coach of AV caliber. Let’s keep this team at .500

  73. If you don’t think Wilson’s hit was intentional, you’re basically rewarding him with a lesser punishment because you think he’s too damn stupid to understand cause and effect.

  74. Looks like Sather is playing Santa! He goes around the locker room and sits every player on his lap to listen to their holiday wishes! How sweet!

  75. May as well, Sioux. The veteran merry-go-round gets more and more annoying with each wrong decision made. Maybe keep Dom Moore around for now as a rotation 12/13, dump Pyatt, Asham and Poo (unless you think his last few games are a sign and not the standard flash) and bring up Kristo and Miller and whichever other forward you think is the best two way guy at this point and atleast make it fun to watch.

  76. How many other teams would be at huge risk of having their NHL bottom 6 get beaten by their AHL top 6? Can’t be that common at this point in the season, can it?

  77. Romeo:

    JD certainly got hot in 1979 and may have been injured in the finals which hurt their chances, but I don’t think he was in the class of the top NYR goalies.

    If you watch old films, highlights you would see that his balance wasn’t so good.

    He was from the era that goalies were concentrating so much on standing up I think it hurt their play.

    He’s the best color man I ever heard though.

  78. Why not go with seven D again?

    Do we really need four full lines. I get pissed in men’s league when we have more than two lines of forwards. And with theSe tv timeouts you have a break every few mins.

  79. Rob in Beantown on

    Maybe AV has some advanced stats that say Dom Moore plays really well after a TV timeout. Ever think of that?

  80. The Cat built up Eddie Giacomins confidence when after fans at the old garden peppered him with garbage he told him “your my goaltender” The Cat was no fool though he had Cesar Maniago as his backup just in case. What else could he do with Marcel Paille and Don Simmons as backups in the organ-I-zation?

  81. @TSNBobMcKenzie 4m
    WSH’s Tom Wilson has a noon ET hearing tomorrow with NHL for his hit last night on PHI’s Brayden Schenn.

  82. A phone hearing for Wilson is just a joke. All this garbage about the code and protecting other players and a mad dash from the blue line to blast a guy into the boards is going to get a couple. The Flyers are gross, but if someone chops Wilson’s wrist next game, I wouldn’t blame them one bit.

  83. have to say I don’t have as big a problem with the Wilson hit as Thornton punching Orpik in the face. I think Wilson definitely overdid it and shouldn’t have accelerated the way he did but Schenn also has a responsibility to not put himself in that position.

  84. Lloyd,
    I agree with you on Wilson hit. it was a charge, but Schenn turned towards the boards just before contact.

  85. Schenn was skating with the puck, head down, completely oblivious to the presence of opposing players. Not to say he deserved the full severity of that hit, but if you skate anywhere on the ice that way, let alone toward/near the opponents net, you should get hit.

  86. I said it above, and it’s how I feel, a couple years ago that play didn’t happen because no one was stupid enough to put themselves in that position. No player went into the corners or against the boards not expecting to be hit. Now it’s play the puck first, worry about getting hit second.

  87. problem is that even if Wilson doesn’t accelerate the way he did and Schenn ends up going headfirst into the glass, you’d likely have the same call for justice we’ve got now. I just think it’s just that the NHL is so patently stupid when it comes out to policing all aspects of the game that no one really knows what the so-called code is.

  88. Dumb / oblivious play does not call for a pretty obviously predatory hit. There was no good possible outcome there. I get it was cool when Stevens used to do it but every generation gets a little smarter, right?

    (I don’t mind frontier justice, Manny, but note I said wrist. Last thing I want is someone to kill Wilson to avenge the hit.)

  89. Pretty obvious AV needs toughness and trusts Ash’s discipline more than McWrath’s to stay out of litter box. Besides, Ash MIGHT score a goal.

  90. Slats to AV: “I’m thinking of moving Pyatt.”

    AV: “Is he that tall guy who looks like Lurch?”

  91. as was already said Schenn deserved to be it, just not with the severity Wilson applied. that has to be taken into account when meting out a penalty. if Schenn’s skating without the puck and gets hit that way, sure, suspend Wilson for as long as you want. but you have to acknowledge the recklessness of Schenn in all of this, too.

  92. deserved to be hit…

    and sorry, scratching McIlrath to bring Asham in but not scratching Pouliot makes no sense

  93. RE: AV’s choice of shoot-out participants – he supposedly had an envelope in his pocket with pre-season suggestions from our goalies, which he used.

  94. Pullout is most likely on his last hurrah and he knows it. He’s been playing lately with some jam and his nasty SO goal shows the latent talent that got him here, and that he must replicate nightly.

  95. Key tonight – at the very least, keep the first period scoreless…can’t climb back against this team. If it’s tight going into second, there is a chance. A 2-0 early deficit spells doom.

  96. Kind of bummed that Dylan will be McIlscratched. I’m wondering if the thinking is that he has no business being on the ice at potentially the same time as Cindy?
    And would AV pair back up McD & Girardi to go against her?

  97. McDonuts better have an extra tomato soup and 3 grilled cheeses because he’ll see every minute of Crosby and a few more shifts without him.

  98. young players are in a position to fail, and for that matter, succeed, every time they’re on the ice. I don’t buy into this coddling of young players, especially supposed tough guys. if you’re bringing the guy up from the AHL, play him in a meaningful game and see what happens.

  99. And I agree with Lloyd! If you think a guy is so fragile he can’t handle a mistake on the ice, what makes you think showing a lack of confidence in him and putting him in the press box won’t break him just as much?

  100. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Maybe AV realizes that McIlrath has not one shred of talent besides the ability to get his face bashed in.

  101. Maybe his fists are too sore from punching McGratton? :-)

    Look at Pittsburgh defensive lineup for tonight. Matt Niskanen is the only one with any reasonable NHL experience. They need to spend more time around MAF tonight, not around Hank.

  102. CARP, my comment is “awaiting moderation”?

    You don’t have to accept it, but PLEASE tell me what word(s) cause this. Too funny.

  103. @Dustinpenner25 “@patmaroon: Does Anyone know good costume stores in NYC?” Shutup rookie

    Dustin Penner = Hilarious

  104. This has gone far enough. We come here and we quibble about Sather and Poulet and ghosts of the past.

    But the bottom line is that this team is utter garbage. It’s like the Cowboys of the NHL. Seriously. An always-talked-about franchise who’s done back bit since 1994.

    Anyone know their record since 1994? I’m too lazy to compile but I bet it’s under .500.

    And it’s a record that smells of garbage … or, rather, Ranger.

    The team knows it has clowns like us in the bag. And the clowns who attend the games in the bag. Real fans and texting-dooche$ alike. It doesn’t matter if they lose 81 games, they’ll still bank.

    They should just try to win the Stanley Cup for fun. What a concept! I mean, here’s a revenue-winning team with the ultimate safety net actually trying to win. Crazy, I know.

    But instead? Instead the maroons keep mercenaries in the office and no-talents in the locker room and then pray every night that somehow they’ll come out on top and keep pulling the wool over our eyes.

    And it’s working. Joke’s on us.

    Penguins 9-0. Crosby Ovechtrick.

  105. funny how you can say “we’re trying to win a hockey game” when dressing Benoit Pouliot is part of the plan.

    also, no way should Engelland be getting 5 games (or even 1 game) for that hit

  106. “funny how you can say “we’re trying to win a hockey game” when dressing Benoit Pouliot is part of the plan.”



  107. I want more Bobbys and Jeffs and Joes and Steves and Eddies and fewer Dustins, Taylors, Justins, Tanners, Brookses, Brandons and Travises.

  108. It’s believed the Rangers would prefer a right-handed shot on the blue line, so *Cody Franson* is a likely target for New York as well.

    Yes, please.

  109. “It’s also believed that the Rangers could be looking to move Poulet in exchange for no Poulet.”

    Yes, please.

  110. A defensively stable team who needs a rushing defenseman could use MDZ, while we could use one of their extra, non flashy, tough stable defensemen.

  111. We have to admit that this team is trying. In fact, it’s one of the most trying teams in recent memory.

  112. *Dreger: Sather Wants Young D-Man for Del Zotto*

    Darren Dreger reports that Glen Sather continues to shop defenseman Michael Del Zotto, and the expected return is a young defenseman.

    He notes that the Leafs are interested, but the asking price “may be too steep” for them. Dreger suggests Cody Franson would be a likely target for the Rangers, as he’s a right defenseman. Franson has one year of RFA eligibility before he’s eligible to become a UFA in the summer of 2015. However, he’s greatly outperforming Del Zotto at the moment, so I’m not sure Del Zotto holds enough value to get it done.

    Dreger also reports the Sens interest in Del Zotto has cooled due to the emergence of Cody Ceci.

  113. I think Franson would be a decent combination of what they need. He’s a poor man’s Byfuglien on offense…plays PP point. Plus, he’s big and he hits.

    Problem is, what they’d have to give up in addition to MotZ to get him.

  114. That’s the whole article in here so you don’t have to click around. I know you guys are *lazy*

  115. Franson would be cool, but I don’t think he has a shutdown or a PMD rep, right? More of a physical 2RD? Also, he obviously hates hockey and doesn’t know his place young man because he went the Stepan route this year.

  116. He’s not shutdown, as far as I know, but he’s a good combination of all the things they currently need on D. And he’s an upgrade on MotZ.

  117. would think shopping a 23-year old Michael Del Zotto for a “young defenseman” has to lower Sather’s asking price, no?

    unless you can find another young bust, why would a team give up anything that great when what you’re trying to shop to them is essentially the same type?

  118. Rob in Beantown on

    I thought Dreger and TSN needed the *hits* Manny. Since, you know, they are losing their *lifeblood* of hockey in a season or two

  119. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Trouble is, NY could use a rushing defenseman too._


    The Rangers are also in need of a D to man the PP point.

    _one of their extra, non flashy, tough stable defensemen_

    Do the Rangers not have enough of those?

  120. Good *point* there Rob. I *apologize*

    I would like Jake Gardiner and I would think he would be a *fair* return since the *Leafs* love to send him to the Marleys from time to *time*

  121. Bottom line is that if Del Zotto is traded the return player would be of basically same quality and all you would hope for is less bone-headed plays

  122. Manny, Gardiner seems similar to MotZ, but with a less successful history. And, he’s a lefty. Unless you think he’s the type of player that would work better in AV’s system?

  123. Maybe they can get the forward version of MDZ, force him to play his off wing then wonder why the production doesn’t match the talent.

  124. While technically true, Gravy, I wasn’t going for fact so much as my repetitive-but-honest-beliefed defense of DZ.

  125. I like Gardiner and from everything I have read from Leaf’s fans and bloggers they *love* the kid *too*

  126. _They could just make Del Zotto a Forward. People love doing that to underachieving D-Men_

    And Brian Leetch.

  127. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _While technically true, Gravy, I wasn’t going for fact so much as my repetitive-but-honest-beliefed defense of DZ._

    How much do you truly believe playing a D on his off hand affects his defensive performance and offensive statistics?

  128. Here are a few thoughts I have about the PP:

    1.) A good team doesn’t *need* a great PP to win the Cup (_See_ Bruins)

    2.) A good PP doesn’t require a BOMB of a point shot or anything like that. Accuracy > Power

    That said, this is *not* a good team and the Rangers need to have a *ton* more efficiency on their PP to be successful. The 2011-2012 team did *not* need that success.
    This team also doesn’t have many players that can *put the puck on net* with any sort of consistency and therefore, might benefit from a *bomb*

  129. I sincerely doubt Del Zotto’s inability to hit the broadside of a barn from anywhere in the offensive zone has much to do with playing him on the wrong side

  130. Rob in Beantown on

    Gardiner played with Stepan and McD at Wisconsin, so there might be some *chemistry* to build around there

  131. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I sincerely doubt Del Zotto’s inability to hit the broadside of a barn from anywhere in the offensive zone has much to do with playing him on the wrong side_

    *I sincerely doubt Del Zotto’s inability to hit the broadside of a barn from anywhere in the offensive zone has much to do with playing him on the wrong side*

  132. The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
    Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
    But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
    Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
    Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September

    Was at first only MP for Hunting Don, but then he led the Ironside Cavalry
    At Mars ton Moor in 1644 and won then he founded the New Model Army
    And praise be, beat the Cavaliers at Naisby and the King fled up North
    Like a bat to the Scots

    But under the terms of John Pimm’s Solemn League and Covenant
    The Scots handed King Charles the first, over to
    Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England and his warts
    Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September

    But alas, oy vay! The disagreement then broke out between
    The Presbyterian Parliament and the Military who meant
    To have an independent bent and so the 2nd Civil War broke out
    And the Roundhead ranks faced the Cavaliers at Preston Banks
    And the King lost again, silly thing, stupid Git

    And Cromwell sent Colonel Pride to purge the House of Commons
    Of the Presbyterian Royalists leaving behind only the rump Parliament
    Which appointed a High Court at Westminster Hall to indict
    Charles, the first for tyranny, ooh! Charles was sentenced to death
    Even though he refused to accept that the court had jurisdiction
    Say goodbye to his head

    Poor King Charles laid his head on the block
    January 1649, down came the axe and in the silence that followed
    The only sound that could be heard was a solitary giggle from
    Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England, ole
    Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September

    Then he smashed Ireland, set up the Commonwealth and more
    He crushed the Scots at Worcester and beat the Dutch at sea in 1653
    And then he dissolved the rump Parliament
    And with Lambert’s consent wrote the instrument of Government
    Under which Oliver was Protector at last

  133. ‘Louis the Sixteenth was the King of France in 1789.
    He was worse than Louis the Fifteenth.
    He was worse than Louis the Fourteenth.
    He was worse than Louis the Thirteenth.
    He was the worst since Louis the First.
    King Louis was living like a king, but the people were living rotten.
    So the people, they started an uprising
    which they called the
    French Revolution, and of course you remember their battle cry,
    which will never be forgotten:
    You went the wrong way, Old King Louie.
    You made the population cry.
    ‘Cause all you did was sit and pet
    With Marie Antoinette
    In your place at Versailles.
    And now the country’s gone kablooie.
    So we are giving you the air.
    That oughta teach you not to
    Spend all your time fooling ’round
    At the Folies Bergere.
    If you had been a nicer king,
    We wouldn’t do a thing,
    But you were bad, you must admit.
    We’re gonna take you and the Queen
    Down to the guillotine,
    And shorten you a little bit.’

  134. Stranger Nation on

    Day after day, alone on the hill
    The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
    But nobody wants to know him
    They can see that he’s just a fool
    As he never gives an answer

  135. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    You can’t learn NHL defense playing in Hartford. There is no substitute for pro experience. Most guys have growing pains when they jump to the NHL, especially D men. McIlrath is not the fastest skater, but he will learn to be more responsible, and position better. And he’s a bruiser. I don’t need him to skate like McD… I need him to put the fear of god in people.
    NOBODY on our backline does that currently. Falk tries… but McIlrath was drafted for a reason.

    Size and grit over skating and finesse. I’m ok with it. He made a ‘rookie mistake’ and got caught with a bad pinch against Columbus.

    Seeing him drop the mitts with McGrattan made it worth it.
    Who else was going to do that? Dorsett? Boyle?

  136. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    The Rangers didn’t draft McIlrath thinking he’d be a offensive weapon, or speed skater.

    He’ll learn. He’ll progress, he’ll put a little nasty back in the Rangers game.

  137. Atta boy, Gab.

    My problem is that everyone keeps getting all up in arms about McIlrath’s skating ability. Physicality can make up for a lack of skating ability especially high in the defensive zone. If a guy is going to beat him he just knocks the guy over. If he’s down near the crease, where he will end up playing a lot of his career, who cares about his skating?

    McIlrath is a necessity and benching him tonight is asinine.

    And on that rookie mistake against CBJ, there was an entire ice full of players that could have covered and Stralman TOTALLY blew his coverage as did the Center.

  138. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Torts said it best, he said something to the effect of, we’ll play our kids, they’re gonna make mistakes but we’ll live with it and teach them along the way.

  139. Which is what this team should be doing because this team is *terrible* Falk isn’t much better than McIlrath. He’s a “veteran” or whatever but he can’t fight his way out of a paper bag. He’s positionally better but equally slow and less physical.

    Playing against Crosby would be an amazing experience and very valuable for the kid.

  140. Pens have team toughness, the Rangers would be ill advised to take that route.

    If McIllrath drops them with Tanner Glass, regardless of the size difference Glass will put him down.

    Rather just see Mc try to move better and play solid D.

  141. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Ulfie was a pretty snarly D-man in his day. I’ll put my faith that with him as a coach, and the leadership of Girardi, McDonagh, and Staal (providing he gets back soon), that McIlrath will improve his positional play, make less mistakes, and settle in to his role.

    The Rangers need a bruising D man. I’ve said it before, If McIlrath can become a Beukeboom type player, that would be perfect in my eyes.

  142. Franson is huge, and he *hits*. He also plays on the *PP*. But, he will also cost *more* than a guy like Gardiner.

  143. Some good news: @RothmanHockey NHL Network will air 18 games from upcoming World Juniors, including all medal round games. All Team USA games will air.

  144. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Here’s a snippet about Beuke…

    ” At 6’5″ 230 lbs, he quickly established himself as a fan favourite and an anchor of the defence with his bodychecks and *willingness to protect his teammates, through fighting if necessary*. He played on the top defensive pairing with Brian Leetch, and was an alternate captain. Beukeboom’s stay-at-home play allowed Leetch to lead the rush and *kept opposing players out of the goal crease*. ”

    If MacDiesel became that…. who would mind the occasional blown coverage or bad pinch???

  145. Rob in Beantown on

    That’s cool. I’ve never watched the WJC except for maybe the medal games but I think I’m going to try and follow it this year. *USA! USA!*

  146. That is EXACTLY what I want him to be. No more pressure to play so high in the zone. Just go to the crease and annihilate people while McDonagh skates in figure eights and circles.

  147. I don’t understand why our Defensive pairings never have BALANCE in styles of play. Vigneault and these other morons are all about stats and who shoots with which hand rather than just letting people play their *Style* of defense and have it balanced by another guy playing the opposite *style*

  148. McIlrath has no goals so far this year so I’m fine sitting him until he scores one. Goals win hockey games.

  149. *ROB* Following the World Juniors is a blast if you enjoy watching hockey while eating your breakfast. It’s the *best*

  150. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on


    McIlrath was the perfect player to draft in that situation.
    People were upset the Rangers didn’t draft Cam Fowler. Fowler hasn’t done much of anything lately.

    Look at that draft pools top 20…

    1 Taylor Hall
    2 Tyler Seguin
    3 Erik Gudbranson
    4 Ryan Johansen
    5 Nino Niederreiter
    6 Brett Connolly
    7 Jeff Skinner
    8 Alexander Burmistrov
    9 Mikael Granlund
    10 Dylan McIlrath
    11 Jack Campbell
    12 Cam Fowler
    13 Brandon Gormley
    14 Jaden Schwartz
    15 Derek Forbort
    16 Vladimir Tarasenko
    17 Joey Hishon
    18 Austin Watson
    19 Nick Bjugstad
    20 Beau Bennett

    Was there a better option for the Rangers?
    They didn’t have anyone like McIlrath at the time, and Cam Fowler was a MDZ type player.

  151. Question, if McIllrath will be “learning” at the NHL level which frankly makes little sense.

    What are they “teaching”in Hartford and is Schnony not capable of same?

    Does it require a coach at the top level to teach or is that done as the natural course of events in the minors, does a player with batting flaws come up to MLB and a batting coach suddenly create an all star?

    McIllrath’s drafting was Sather’s over reaction to not having either developed, traded or acquired same.

    Improving maybe but the jury is out.

  152. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Sit him until he scores a goal….. i don’t follow the logic there.


    At the time, drafting Fowler was simply redrafting MDZ and trying to play them in the same lineup.

  154. Fowler will forever be a middle of the road Defenseman. When you want to draft a player you need to hit the home run from time to time. Worked well with Hank.

  155. @Panger40 2As per @Steener20 and the @StLouisBlues , he has agreed to new 3 year extension worth $17.4 M

  156. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on


    How many Ovechkins, Crosby’s, Toews, Kane’s, Datsyuk’s, Zetterbergs… etc, are there playing in the AHL?

    Is there talent there? Sure. Can coaches teach there? Sure.

    There is no way to learn how to play against the best, until you’ve played against the best.

    Again, I don’t have any dilusions of MacDiesel being a 30 goal scorer, or dangling past guys in the neutral zone. He’s not built that way. We need a big, phyiscal, tough d-man, who will do what is needed to protect his net, and his teammates.

    He is exactly that. I don’t need him to be more. The Rangers don’t need him to be more, they just want him to be better at defending… which will come in time.

  157. GAB, I seriously doubt now or at that draft you would have elicited that opinion.

    The reviews at the time were uniformly quoted as “a big stretch”.

    The Rangers have zero history of drafting or developing a #1 D or a clear out type during Sather’s tenure.

    Nor are there any on the horizon, hence the over draft of MC and the Falk, Mashinter types.

  158. Well, there goes one FA. There’s not going to be much out there in the offseason. Extend Richards!

  159. Gab, but in those last two paragraphs you’re assuming a great deal of improving elements of his game which have not been in evidence to date.

    As to his fistic prowess his minor league record seems to indicate he “catches” as much as he throws.

    Historically this is not a prescription for a long career without brain damage, and if his positional play doesn’t show marked improvement.

    It also means a lot of penalty box time.

    The jury is out and we hope for the best result.

  160. Bet you Big Mac is dispatched to Hartford before he plays another game for the Rangers. It’s the “Sather Way,” -giving kids two games to make it to the HOF, or head back to Siberia-East for an extended sentence.

  161. MANNY _ I’m a descendant of William The Silent. Could I have the dope sheet on him, too, please?

  162. Engelland 5 gm. suspension, injuries and yet the keep brining up Dmen to fill in, amazing.

    Fowler current stats; avg. 24, 3 gls. 16assts.,+4, 8 pm.,shoots left, 6’1″ 207, very good skater. 24 min. per game indicate they believe he’s reliable, no?

    Yes, I think I’d rather have an overstock of offensive D rather that a reach for a “specialist” ;)

  163. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    At the draft, I loved the pic. I still like the pic now. I’m not one of these Negative nancy Ranger fans, who is only happy when they are crying about one thing or another, and complaining about the entire team. If you guys want to have a pity party, no need to save me a seat.

    I try to find the upside in a situation if one is available.
    You say i’m assuming improvement which has not been evident to date. I prefer to have more than 2 games to form or re-form an opinion.
    You want to doubt him. Go ahead. You want to assume he’ll be a bust, go ahead. You want to nitpick and chastise him and his abilities, go for it.

    Nobody knows how it will turn out. Not me, not you, nor any other person on this blog. All we can do is assume. And i for one, would rather assume he will be a role player and a solid piece of the puzzle.

    If you want to assume he sucks, and he can never learn to be better, that’s your perogative man.

  164. Gift of GAB-orik says KREID-or-Die! on

    Ok i’m out kids. I’ve had enough of the debbie downers… i’m off to get ready to watch our boys kick ice chicken posterior!


  165. I don’t know what many of you see in MacDiesel.
    He can’t skate, his positioning suck.
    Do you want him to get stuck on the ice vs Crosby?
    I practically never agree with Comnsnse, but I do in ref to McIlrath. He was slated to go late 1st earlier 2nd round, but 10th was too much. He is only good for fighting.
    Why do Red Wings have no goon on the team and still play tough?

  166. if you tell me McIlrath is Jeff Beukeboom, I’ll sign for that in a second

    and yeah, the issue with McIlrath is indisputable: shouldn’t have been taken 10th in the 1st round. pretty much everyone knew this with the possible exception of Glenn Sather. you take him 19 or 20 and no one would have a problem with it. but 10? too early.

  167. Oscar-worthy video preview of the game, by moi, up top. I couldn’t even remember all the Penguins injuries, so I just cut it short. They’ll all be in the Go Time! post.

  168. Watched some of the Fishsticks last night. Matt Martin had more hits in the first period than Nash has all season. Seriously. 3-2.

  169. Matt Martin is a hitting machine, he’s developed his skills somewhat through the years to be a pretty solid hockey player. Would love to see him in our NY sweater.

    Another instant classic film Carp!!

  170. This blog sucks. Where’s that cool Norm Merton dude to liven things up? I agree with everything he says, but the rest of you? Your all idiots.

  171. Well done, Gift! I’m with you. We are all amateurs trying to pretend we know better than pros. We don’t. All we can do is assume. And our assumptions differ, to say the least. Whatever makes you feel better, I suppose.

    Got to love the “indisputable” statement. Indisputable by whom exactly?

  172. there’s a reason McIlrath was projected to go at the bottom of the round by everyone other than Glenn Sather

  173. Maybe its urban legend, but wasn’t it speculated that Dallas was going to take McIlrath one pick behind us?

  174. Stranger Nation on

    Day after day, alone on the hill
    The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
    But nobody wants to know him
    They can see that he’s just a fool
    As he never gives an answer

  175. The Rangers didn’t have another pick until #40, so if they were high on McIlrath (and felt reasonably sure he’d be taken by then, which seems likely), then it makes sense that they would take him there.

    I wonder if the pick would have been different had they known what they had in Sauer at the time.

  176. yes Rangers did everything exactly right as usual and with their legacy of winning who can blame them

  177. If McD can do his thing and shut down Cindy, we have a shot. Injuries and suspensions have the Pens pretty picked over.

  178. …. Of course that means there is probably four first time in MSG players on their team tonight so we’re going to need a few gifts from Fleury.

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