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Thoughts:Calgary Flames v New York Rangers

1) Funny how the shootout changes everything. A stupid breakaway contest can warp your appreciation, or lack thereof, for what went on in this game, which sure wasn’t great, and sure wasn’t against a great opponent. Though, to be honest, I thought the Rangers did get better as this game went on, defended a little better, their goalie was better than he had been, scored some goals, killed a big penalty (actually had three golden chances on the 5-on-3 before that). I thought, overall, beginning to end, it was an improvement on the last two games. Maybe a big improvement.

2) But lose that shootout and it’s the same old pile of carcillo, fire/trade everybody, start the rebuild, this team sucks and will never ever win again.

3) I completely agree with Henrik Lundqvist that these are baby steps the Rangers have to take now, because of where they are, record-wise, slump-wise, confidence-wise. I’ve said it before, you don’t just leap out of a deep funk like the Rangers are/were in. You kinda have to climb out, baby steps. Just as before a losing streak starts you tend to let parts of the game get sloppy, before a losing streak ends, you have to start to fix things. It doesn’t happen with a wave of a magic wand. It happens incrementally. Baby steps. And I thought the Rangers were incrementally better.Calgary Flames v New York Rangers

4) I said it during the game, fairly early in the game, that I thought I saw a pulse in a lot of players who were kinda out of it during the previous few games, or more. Derek Stepan had a pulse. Brad Richards too. Rick Nash? Not so much. It was the first time I noticed Carl Hagelin in a while, though he took an incredibly bad penalty. And first time in a while I noticed John Moore using his wheels in a while. Benoit Pouliot played one of his better games, which may not be saying a lot. Even Chris Kreider, who I thought was kinda mediocre, or even lousy in parts of the previous couple of games, had a ton of jump. Took more penalties, one which hurt, one which was nearly fatal in this game, but did a lot of good things, too.

5) Lundqvist looked like he was in a trance after the game. He might not have survived if they had lost this game, especially if they had lost it in a shootout when he had two chances to close it out, in what’s usually his specialty. He’s in a fragile state right now, and though I thought he played really well in spots, he needed a result. A win. And now he needs another one.

Calgary Flames v New York Rangers6) He was beaten three times in the shootout. Have you noticed that shootout guys are, well, shooting it more these days? Making it tougher on the goalies, especially those who don’t come out and challenge? Three of the Rangers’ four BCATHGE goals were scored on shots rather than dekes, though Pouliot’s was kinda pretty. Honestly, was anybody else scratching their heads with Alain Vigneault’s selections of Brad Richards, Dominic Moore and Pouliot in the shootout? Yet all three of those scored. And the worst shootout move was Rich Nash’s. Mats Zuccarello was just money again.

7) I’m not sure I liked the seven-defensemen thing. I mean, I didn’t hate it because either forward that would have played in place of Justin Falk wasn’t likely to be much of a factor. But what ended up happening in some cases was A) Falk being paired with Dylan McIlrath and B) a Derek Dorsett getting an extra shift on a make-shift line. On the other hand, when some guys started going, like Hagelin, he was able to get an extra shift here or there because the Rangers were a forward short … and three forward lines saw most of the ice in the third anyway. I thought Falk really struggled in this game. But so did Anton Stralman. Yeesh. And when they were together, double-yeesh (though on that 3-2 goal, when Stralman and Falk were both below the icing line, Mats Zuccarello or Derick Brassard has to pick up the forward going to the net). Stralman coughed it up on the second goal.

8) Dylan McIlrath. His teammates gave him the Broadway Hat, which I think was a gesture of appreciation for his willingness to throw hands with one of the league’s baddest men. I mean, I don’t think they really believed that fight was a defining or turning moment. The rookie handled himself OK against a true heavyweight, and you can never question his onions. The Rangers know he will be battling for them for a long time … they hope so, anyway.

Calgary Flames v New York Rangers9) There was a funny moment in AV’s presser when a tech guy’s walkie talkie went off and Vigneault said he couldn’t help but think of Torts and walking out of there. (you can see it or hear it in the video/audio clips).

10) Going back to the shootout, who knew Dominic Moore and Benoit Pouliot were good at the shootout? Well, Vigneault did because he asked his goalies during the preseason, and they told him. Apparently he didn’t know that Richards had trouble in shootouts, but Richards made that decision look good anyway. And not choosing Kreider? Well, Kreider himself said he believes he’s 0-for-5 as a pro. Sorry, I meant The Kreider.

11) Gotta say, that once that game got a little nasty, and once the Rangers got back in it, it was a pretty intense evening for a non-conference game. The Garden crowd, which wasn’t a full house by any stretch, was library quiet in the early going, but got revved up to a reasonable level later. I still hate the realignment and the balanced schedule, though.

12) I really do believe the Rangers, overall, defended better in this game, and I really do believe that will ultimately get them out of this if they’re coming out of it. They are going to have trouble scoring. That’s just the way it is. So they better defend, as they did when they had that nice little run after Game 10.

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My Three Rangers Stars:Calgary Flames v New York Rangers
1. Carl Hagelin.
2. Derek Stepan.
3. Chris Kreider.
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cooscoos’ Three Rangers Stars:
1.  Hags.  quick on the puck tonight, made his presence felt.
2.  Kreider.  Not afraid of the crease, a few mistakes, but improving again.
3.  D. Moore. Gutsy.  Never gets the ink.  Here’s some ink.
Honorable Mention:  McDonuts, who could be one of the three just about every night.
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Eddie Eddie Eddie’s Three Rangers Stars:
1. Kreider. He reappeared. Made some hits, used his speed, and scored a huge goal to tie it late.
2. Pouliot. Where has this guy been all season? Sweet move to seal the deal.
3. The Undertaker. Showed some big balls dropping the gloves with one of the toughest big boys in the league. Mac took some shots that hurt me just watching…
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Your poll vote for Three Rangers Stars:
1. Chris Kreider.
2. Carl Hagelin.
3. tie, Dominic Moore, Mats Zuccarello, Derek Stepan.
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  1. Damn this team! I was so tempted to go to sleep after the Flumps went 2-0 up, but then Step gave me some hope!

    I thought of all the hits and fists (huge kudos to McIlrath for putting himself in there, he took some good punches and kept coming back) and mistakes, one of the best moments for me was Pouliot absolutely levelling a Flump against the right half-boards (in the 3rd I think) – I had to do a double-take! His BCATHGE move was a thing of beauty too.

  2. Nice review as always Carp. Pouliot of last nights game can play on my team anytime just can’t wait another 30 games for him to appear. Mcilrath with the chapeau is deserved and maybe the teams relief at having someone of size willing to go. Actually many players made an “appearance” which is nice, granted it was Calgary but they could have mailed it in once they were down by a pair.
    It wasn’t a good win but it’s a win and I’ll take it.

  3. McD with 31 minutes TOI is a condemnation of the other D men especially when you dress seven D. That’s a problem.

  4. I been watching the rangers for 50 years and I really feel that the team needs to make a move sooner then later. Give McIlrath a chance as we are missing so much grit that once the playoffs starts we will get punished. Boyle and mdz are just useless and one more thing, bring JT Miller up and just play him.

  5. Stranger Nation on

    Henk lets in 3 on 18 shots during the real game and then 3 more on 6 shots during skills contest. Baby steps…more like baby’s diaper change. This guy is a smelly mess.

    coos – nice catch on Moore. He has taken ice away from Boyle which many may love here, but he is a much better skater and can lead a rush from the pivot (see Hags’ goal sequence). His FO prowess has been very impressive.

    Ex3 – toughness is over rated. Why didnt you have Richards on your top 3? Didnt you notice he scored a pretty goal during skills contest…

  6. Nice review, Carp, and incisive observations. Can do without Brooks’ overboard dump mgmt, which will not happen anytime soon (or ever). ’bout time the French Poodle had a surprisingly good game. Also surprised by *lots* of goals in the shootout. Let’s hope you’re right about Henrik’s confidence. Heard he is dressing in rags when he goes out on the street.

  7. Sather Must Go! on

    Nice review, carp. The Flames are not good and were coming off a back to back (OT) game, so problem not solved -hopefully some confidene was gained

    I understand Mcillrath is the youngest dude out there and a rookie, and he looked like vs McGrattan …but, giving him the hat is like the nerds in School doing homework for the bully who stuck up for them..again, poor roster construction

  8. Was at the game last night.

    Great game! Here are my observations:

    1) Crowd was awful most of the night. World’s Most Famous and Overpriced Library. Sad that the crowd has to be prompted by the Big Board to make some noise. They make more noise for the T-Shirt Toss and The Lexus Car Race.
    Real lame!

    2) Rangers finally showed some passion and some of their skill guys finally came to play last night. Stepan and Richard were pretty good. Hagelin was great. Nash was awful.

    3) Rangers still pass up way too many shots. Why they don’t shoot when they have the puck in the middle to pass to the wing for a bad angle attempt I will never know. Shoot the dam puck BRASSARD!

    4) This team cannot pass. They make so many bad passes often too a player who is wide open. Del Zotto, Strahlman, Brassard and Moore all made giveaways up in the middle in their own zone.

    5) Thought Stralhman and Moore were dreadful last night.

    6) Hank is still not on his game. Give him credit for fighting through it, but he is not sharp.

    7) Rangers lose way to many wall battles in their own zone and when they do it always seems to lead to a quality chance against.

    8) THE KREIDER is a beast!

    3)

  9. That hat was well deserved by Dylan. The Top heavy weight in the league came calling to his door in his first game, and he answered the bell. He held his own and looked good doing so. To say this was not deserved shows an ignorance to exactly how much his job means to his teammates.
    Don’t be surprised if the Rangers start digging a little harder in the corners, and fore checking the way they should be if both Dorsett and Mcillrath are in.

  10. Cross Check Charlie on

    I thought one of the prime commandments of playing defense – Thou shall not leave the front of the net unguarded.

    Falk should have defended the pass to the front rather than trying to slam the guy into the boards. JMO.

  11. I don’t see that we need Falk in there, he was not noticeably better than McIlrath and he went toe-to-toe with one of the toughest guys currently in the NHL. Keep Dorse and Diesel in there and that should be all we need.
    Poulet earned himself a reprieve, but only if he doesn’t do a Casper against Skid and the Ice Chickens.
    I think scratching Pyatt should have sent a big message – it certainly seemed to fire up Dorse and Dom Moore.

    The Kreider was easily our most consistent forward all night, he was a constant menace with his speed and hitting, a great net presence and deserved another goal, or at least an assist for that beauty of a feed to Stepan.

  12. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Henk lets in 3 on 18 shots during the real game and then 3 more on 6 shots during skills contest_

    3 goals on 21 shots, 3 shootout goals on 7 attempts.

    A smelly mess, for sure.

    _Hanka Hanka_

  13. 10th in conference, sticking with my pre season hunch. Need a big trade uncle Bernie, I mean Glennie

  14. I think AV is hoping for a bit of a clear out. I think yesterday’s roster was either a veiled message to Slats that he doesn’t have a great deal of confidence in the roster he has or that he just wanted Diesel in there as he was the only one to match up to McGrattan

  15. Good morning, boneheads!

    Nice review, Carp! Kudos to coos and eddie3.
    Baby steps is right. They defended only marginally better, but I thought their transition game was more precise. Remains to be seen if it’s enough improvement to get them out of this funk. Wednesday against Pittsburgh will tell more.

    Um, we keep saying:”I know, it’s against Calgary”. Well, Calgary came into the MSG with almost identical record.

    If Pouliot could only play the way he did last night for 2-3 games, they would have a little better record. That’s been his thing, unfortunately. I believe he showed some consistency when he played in Boston.

    I was hoping McIlrath wouldn’t fight McGratton, who was going to challenge him. I guess he didn’t get the memo. He did fine, and he was seemingly happy and relieved after the fight. If you want to get it over with, may as well do it against the best. It wasn’t only his fight, it was when he pulled McGratton away from Pouliot’s chin strap a few shifts prior. Stop doubting what this means for the team, there is a reason they gave him the hat.

  16. By the way, I thought McIlrath was more decisive with the puck last night. He certainly looked better than some of other defensemen out there. Falk was shaky, so was Stralman again.

  17. Mcltrath was just as good as anyone. Just give him time to fit in. He needs 10 minutes a game in order to bring out the animal:) Rangers need grit and he has it.

  18. Poo was a legit 3rd liner last night and was for atleast one of the two prior games. Perhaps AV had a “I’m serious about this being your last chance, its not like it was when I said you were close to your last chance 15 games ago” talk with him and it clicked.

  19. Stranger Nation on

    _By the way, I thought McIlrath was more decisive with the puck last night. He certainly looked better than some of other defensemen out there. Falk was shaky, so was Stralman again_

    That was probably more important than the fight, which was pretty darn important. He actually moved the puck well and only made one glaring mistake on the Calamari play which was a marginal penalty at best.

    I do like Falk in there as well. While he is also not fleet of foot, more than once he came in and pushed some Flames out of crease and gave his share of face washes. If this team starts standing up for itself and know players have their back, they can start playing ‘bigger’.

  20. jimG the desertrat on

    Baby steps…..That the rags came back after being down twice showed a paulse Everybody seemed engaged and a win on top of it all

  21. But we really shouldn’t be dressing both Falk and McIlrath considering the latter has more actual potential and seems to be the tougher of the two anyway. Falk is a 7th/8th kinda guy.

    And on defensemen … maybe its confirmation bias or just me wanting to see something, but I thought DZ’s passing has been far better/quicker since Staal left the lineup.

  22. I would love to have known what was said between our MAC and their MAC after the scrap. Kudos to the kid for hanging in there.

  23. Norm Buzzkill here — McIlrath played for 5 minutes.

    But nice of the guys to give him the hat, even if I imagine he would have preferred mittens.

  24. Offensively, I though this was one of DZ’s better games. Good passes. Getting shots through. Baby steps.

  25. McIlrath definitely looked more confident. Particularly, he didn’t fall over awkwardly and horrified on his first shift and slide into the boards while trying to do some aerial split. Instead he just knocked people over which is *exactly* what this roster needs.

    I hated the idea of Hagelin on the 4th line, which *cannot* happen in the playoffs, but maybe he and Dorsett should be paired on the 3rd line because they can both fly.

  26. Carp,
    Has there been any discussion about the Olympics having anything to do with Hank’s play? I know the contract situation was just settled, but Hank seems like a very goal orientated person and I wonder if the Olympic build up might be in the back of his mind somewhere.

  27. _Everybody seemed engaged and a win on top of it all_

    Zucc: [stunned and hurt, turns and looks at MDZ]

    MDZ: “No, it means we played hard. We’re still going out to the bars tonight.”

  28. Booby, I imagine:”Thanks for the opportunity, mr. McGratton”. “No problem, kid. Next time I’ll throw a couple of real ones. If I’m still in the league, that is” :-)

  29. Norm: Here’s the thing: We as *fans* and not *players* can only speculate as to what McIlrath’s fight meant to this teammates. We can use some evidence, e.g. him being given the Broadway Hat, to assume that it meant a whole heck of a lot to everyone in that dressing room.

    We are only fans and we have to actually listen to the players’ actions and watch them on the ice to infer how important certain things are.

    The bottom line is that McIlrath fighting McGrattan was a *huge* thing for this team. The players JUMPED up to watch it. He’s here to help protect their back line and they are very grateful of that fact.

  30. Carp, excellent realistic analysis of two weak teams which looked more like a soccer game than NHL hockey.

    On a personal note, when you have a moment today please read Dave D’Allessandro’s column in today’s Ledger re: our beloved Giants.

    Then let me know what you think, Thanks

  31. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Stop doubting what this means for the team, there is a reason they gave him the hat._

    What does this fight mean for the team? It does not mean the production or prevention of goals.

  32. Can you say for certain McGrattan wouldn’t have scored in the 5 minutes he was sitting? Are you psychic?

  33. Stranger Nation on

    Henk had 22 saves on 28 total shots in both game and skills contest for a 78% save percentage. He gave up 3 goals on 21 shots in reg/ot = 85%.

    When does Talbot get another start?

    Dont’ know which was more painful; watching McIlrath closing his eyes during fight with McGoon or Henk twitching during shootout as Flames’ skater deked.

  34. Sather Must Go! on

    The fight meant a lot to the team -..the point is the team is so void of toughness they needed to depend on a young rookie to take on a huge heavy – and took a huge sigh (via the hat) when he dropped the gloves- good for him for answering the bell..it was obv when he was called up that he would go with McGrattan given his rep…

  35. That’s really great. I hope McIlrath can stick around because he’s definitely a huge part of what this team needs. Imagine if he and a guy like Falk could actually make it on this team? Whew!

  36. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _The fight meant a lot to the team -..the point is the team is so void of toughness they needed to depend on a young rookie to take on a huge heavy_

    Fighting is not going to put pucks in their net or keep pucks out of our net. Execute defensively, kid. Dropping the gloves and getting pulverized is the easy way out.

  37. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Hanka is on pace for a .571 shootout save % and a .913 even strength save % this season.

  38. Manny, are you actually suggesting that McIllrath’s pounding at the hands of an experienced fighter changed the tone of this pathetic matchup between two weak teams?

    Be serious, the Flames had played the previous night and flamed out after the first period.

    Their defense looked like they were skating in mud, their passing was atrocious and they simply ran out of steam.

    And we won in a shootout which obviously could have gone either way.

  39. Rob in Beantown on

    The team bailed Hank out last night, which is a change from how it usually has been the last few years. God, could you imagine the blog today if the Rangers lose the shootout after Hank had a chance 3 chances to win it?

  40. “The bottom line is that McIlrath fighting McGrattan was a huge thing for this team. The players JUMPED up to watch it.”

    Which team scored the next goal? Did the Flames SIT down to avoid watching it? Again, the whole thing is neutral. The Rangers won the game because Stepan and Kreider made a play so they could get to the so-called shootout. And again, why is that we believe hockey players can only function at a high level if their teammates get in fights? (I’m exaggerating, but you get my point.)

    The window is open a crack, as when Lemieux briefly championed the idea, to get the staged fights out of the game. Real fights could then occur as they so in other sports, infrequently and with match penalties as a response.

    But it won’t happen — all this policing-the-game mumbo-jumbo is part and parcel of the rationalization the NHL uses to placate fans who want the pro wrestling aspect and whose attendance would not be replaced (they fear) if it were banned, as it is in the three major sports.

  41. Since Norm is neither a troll nor an idiot I will respond to him:

    I see what you’re saying Norm. I’m saying that what you’re describing is *exactly* the reaction that a *fan* should have. We see results. But from what I read from the players, in their quotes and body language and actions, is that it meant a LOT to them to have *McIlrath* take on McGrattan and not die.

    Kid isn’t an enforcer. He’s a Defenseman that is rugged.

  42. Gotta love when “tough” guys sit behind their computer screens and judge how someone did during a fight. Same guys who would suffer from acute enuresis for the rest of their lives just from a simple sight of McGrattan starring at them. Or the “specialists” in different sports discussing every single player’s faults and failures.

    “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

    Theodore Roosevelt

  43. Norm, reasoned post but people will believe what they like without any factual basis to do so.

    Opinions deemed to be facts!

    Even when the writer implies otherwise as well!

  44. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Manny – well said re: The undertaker’s value. Anytime someone sticks up for you and backs you up be it emotionally, physically, financially…..It’s impossible that you don’t appreciate it especially in the game of hockey which has its own pyramid of bullying to a degree. The Wrath stood tall on a team where previously few manned up before…and it is a big thing…

  45. 2001, what’s the purpose of your last post?

    Humans should not participate in discussions about other human’s behavior?

    Do you have to fight a war to know you don’t agree with it or judge it’s merits?

  46. First time at a game in almost four year (and my boy’s first), and it reminded me how much I missed going. Special thanks to someone here and an assist to another for making that happen. It’s a really special thing when you can pass it on to the next generation.

    On to the game…like Carp said, the second half. The 2-0 deficit definitely took a toll in the beginning, especially after the last few games.

    The Rangers were a lot more nasty in the second half of the game, too. I think they showed it on TV, but McD crosschecked Cammalleri (I think) between the shoulders than knocked him down in front of the net on the PK. Good to see him get mean in that spot.

    Pouliot’s shootout move was nifty, and I wonder if there is any carryover for all the guys who scored to just shoot the puck more.

  47. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Gotta love when “tough” guys sit behind their computer screens and engage in ad hominem attacks rather than a civil discussion with the application of intellect.

    “Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”

    Rousseau

  48. Manny, “trolls, idiots”, poster heal thyself!

    Try discoursing without the mane calling which makes it personal.

    And you very vulnerable!

  49. Curious if anyone here thinks Del Zotto had a bad game. 17.5 minutes of even strength play, led the team in Fenwick %, 4 SoG. Bad team, mediocre game, all that, but DZ played really well. If only there was some way to figure out why …

  50. Cmnsense- if that was what you perceived as a purpose of my post than I overestimated your intellectual level. My perception of your posts could be wrong too, though. Feel free to correct me. Very often you’re trying to be a jackwagon. And you’ve been successful at that.

  51. Speaking of sticking up for teammates, MZA got surrounded by Flames, and Richards was skating back to the bench. The crowd was going nuts that no one jumped in there. I understand the D-men not going, to an extent.

    Not sure if Richards reacted to the crowd, or if he just realized something was going on, but it took him awhile to get in the scrum.

  52. POULET should be promoted to the first line. He is amazing.

    What a man. What a player.

    What a talent.

  53. MD, thought MotZ was OK. Got involved in the offense a bit more than the last few games. Also, coughed the puck up a few times, and once in particular, Falk bailed him out.

    There was a play were it looked like he and his partner at the time (Girardi?) stopped skating as the puck went in the D zone. Not sure if they thought they heard a whistle or something.

  54. Totally, ILB. But even better than that, wouldn’t you love to see everyone who mocks Boyle’s toughness and fighting skills go one on one with Boyle? I’d eat popcorn and cheer for the Hingham Hitman.

  55. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Try discoursing without the name calling which makes it personal_

    “Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”

    Rousseau

  56. _Not sure if they thought they heard a whistle or something._

    Yup. And to show what a headcase I am, my first thought was “jesus, I can’t imagine the board if that had led to a scoring chance”.

  57. McIlrath did fine. I think McGrattin was toying with him a bit…like noogies instead of haymakers, but not a bad first one. Was there anything that instigated that, or was it just two tough guys deciding to drop them?

  58. Gravy, earlier scrum between J. Moore and some guy with a really stupid face where McIlrath dropped the gloves quick but no fight took place.

  59. 2001, is it really beyond your ability to disagree without personal insults, and the petty tactic of damning with faint praise?

    Why be just another victim of the net mindset trying desperately to find agreement with your own opinion?

    State your premise, support it with fact and logic, and stand by it despite the slings and arrows or those whose opinions differ.

    That my friend is the essence of civil discourse.

  60. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Common sense – you and norm seem to be members of a club that takes the contrarian view on nearly everything anyone says…..why is that?

  61. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _2001, is it really beyond your ability to disagree without personal insults, and the petty tactic of damning with faint praise? Why be just another victim of the net mindset trying desperately to find agreement with your own opinion?State your premise, support it with fact and logic, and stand by it despite the slings and arrows or those whose opinions differ.That my friend is the essence of civil discourse._

    “Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”

    Rousseau

  62. Thanks for the clarifications, MD.

    It’s funny that the guys who sling insults are the first to claim other posters do.

  63. McIlrath deserved the hat. Can you name another player this year (besides Dorsett) who has actually sought out a fight against a heavyweight and held his own?

    Good to see how happy he was with the fist pump after as well.

    Perhaps this will give confidence to players like Boyle when we play tough teams that someone will have his back so he is able to finesse around the ice without fear of being ragdolled.

  64. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    “Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.”

    Rousseau

  65. I do think there’s a carryover effect to teammates when their guys play with an edge. I mean, it’s not going to make Richards a tough guy, but I think the team fed off the aggressive play a bit.

    And, yes, I realize the opponent was bad, but it’s not like they were losing to top tier teams in the last few.

  66. Norm, whether you like it or not, or if the Rangers or Flames had the goal immediately following, the fight had an effect on the team. Maybe not now but for sure in the future.

    The Rangers now know that they have someone with some size and onions (besides Dorsett) who will stand in there against the Lucic’s of the world who terrorize our players.

    Someone who won’t stand idly by when Hank gets snowed in front of the net (like Stralman did yesterday).

  67. Don’t insult the great Strawman like that! He just thinks the snow will refresh Henrik and keep him focused for the next breakaway he’ll face (due to a Strawman giveaway).

  68. To all those who hate the breakaway contest.

    What is the alternative? End in regulation? Play 3 on 3?

    I thought the skills contest was very compelling.

    Was not Zucc’s shot not fun to watch? Pull Out you shake your head where is that skill in game. Hank struggles even in shoot out. A lot to discuss and analyze.

    Sometimes you see more skill in a shoot out than a 65 minute hockey game. Lighten up it’s fun and what is the alternative?

  69. Yup, no harm in ending a game in a tie. Baseball doesn’t go to a HR derby after 12 innings even though the dopey fans would probably like it.

  70. CG, my problem is more with the way they handle the point structure. I don’t like that some games are worth 3 points, while others are worth 2.

    As for alternatives, bringing back ties with a 10 minute OT. I know they worry about the ice and games ending late, but last night’s game was over at 10:10 anyway.

  71. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    That’s the spirit. See, it’s not always about skill. Sometimes, you have to drop the gloves.

  72. That being said, it was my first shootout, and the crowd was into it. It’s fun as a novelty, but I don’t think it should decide games.

  73. Stranger Nation on

    _Curious if anyone here thinks Del Zotto had a bad game. 17.5 minutes of even strength play, led the team in Fenwick %, 4 SoG. Bad team, mediocre game, all that, but DZ played really well. If only there was some way to figure out why_

    Back on natural side, he has made some nice rushes. has an uncanny way to never wanting to take a hit to make a play when dumping puck. Moving the puck is much easier it seems from his natural side.

    Is +2 in last 5 games since the Winnipeg (-3) debacle so he has at least calmed down and is playing hockey again.

  74. EdwardIII, au contraire. My contrarian view you claim is actually both the writer’s opinion but my own as well.

    Reread #8.

    And for the record if at any time you find my comments/opinions are in opposition to your own, feel free to offer the opposing point of view.

    Simply present facts, known historical events and some logic derived from them.

    Just remember to be courteous and respectful and you and any others will be accorded the same.

    As to the alleged benefits of gooning as a stimulant to success, perhaps you mean team toughness which this team lacks and which I wholly agree with.

    I assure you it will not make whatever talent is here play better because they feel “protected” nor will it result in a successful franchise.

    Talent wins out, gooning is a poor substitute, and for an example you might want to check out how this year’s version of the Habs play.

    Thank you.

  75. Not sure if the shootout is better or worse than a tie, but they SHOULD DEFINITELY NOT go to something dumb like 3 on 3 OT.

  76. I’d rather see them go to best of 5 in shootout.

    Better indicator of skill of team depth and goaltending.

  77. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    My wife loves the shootout. She says it’s the most exciting part of the game. I don’t mind it. The most popular game in the world, sock her, uses it to determine its winner…

  78. _Better indicator of skill of team depth and goaltending._

    You can’t say that with a straight face when we run out Dom Moore in our top 5.

  79. Yes, MD, that’s how I’ve felt from the beginning. Three points for a regulation/OT win, two points for SO win, one point for SO loss, zero for every other loss. I’d even be fine leaving the bonus OT point if they made regulation wins 3 points.

    Instead, we have gimmicks to make sure that almost every team has a perceived shot of making the playoffs until the last week of the season.

  80. Manny, re:Norm’s sarcastic,humorous comment. Do you ever see anything except through your own distorted prism?

    And of course anyone who seems to agree with it?

  81. Stranger: I’m just glad its happening here for a little bit, regardless of the eventual outcome. And I’ll still never understand the same people saying his switch shouldn’t affect him while also saying “of course” you don’t switch McD or Staal.

  82. Stranger Nation on

    _Sometimes you see more skill in a shoot out than a 65 minute hockey game_

    and this is the reason you have the shootout. Understand fans, who never played the game, cannot appreciate the skill and tenacity required to score when defenders are on the ice. it takes A LOT more than free wheeling down the ice. It may not look prettier, but it takes much more skill.

    Would prefer no point for getting to OT and just make it winner take all whether reg, ot or shootout win

  83. _Another day of NO Practice. Riding ‘em hard, Vigneault._

    You just had 2 days off, didn’t you, Manny?

  84. Stranger Nation on

    Agree Mr. D – he seems to have calmed down and is playing much better on natural side. yet another undersized player who may feel more comfortable with Falk and The Wrath in the lineup.

  85. Stranger Nation on

    Stralman may have jumped the shark last night. Was just horrid in all three zones. He may need a day off…wait everyone has a day off…perfect!

  86. Gravy: We could also go straight up soccer style where you unbalance the games, but atleast tilting it in the right direction. 3 for regulation win, 2-1 for OT win, split 2 points for a tie. Punish teams for sitting back, reward teams for winning straight up.

  87. Re: alternatives to shootout.

    If one accepts that part of the issue is that talent, speed,puck handling skills become less a factor due to the size of the rinks not having changed despite the size of the players having done so.

    My own opinion is simply one longer period say 10minutes of 4 on 4 hockey where the really skill players would have more opportunities.

    Or I suppose we could have the two biggest goons fight it out winner take all! (;)

  88. Stralman almost looks like a street free agent who was in a good fit situation but shouldn’t be relied on going forward.

  89. I just ran the numbers, giving three points for ROW wins, and the Rangers would actually move up to 6th in the conference. So, we should change that today.

  90. Rob in Beantown on

    I know this is an unpopular opinion, and I kind of hate myself for thinking it, but I think shootouts are a lot of *fun*. I hate that they decide who wins the hockey game, and the point structure is all kinds of messed up as you guys have rightly pointed out, but shootouts are a *blast* to watch. Lots of *drama* and *tension*. I wish there was some way to reconcile them with a more traditional scoring system. I think the 2 points for a win and 1 point for a shootout loss might be the best. That way even the winning team doesn’t win *equivalently* to if they had won outright. It will feel more like a *sister kisser* if neither team leaves truly happy.

  91. _Gravy: We could also go straight up soccer style where you unbalance the games_

    MD, that would be better, but there’s something about the finance part of me that just wants every game to be worth the same.

  92. Me too, Gravy. Best is same points, second best is unbalanced but rewards winning, last best is unbalanced and rewards both teams safely dumping for a point for 1/3 of the game.

  93. I loved the shootouts the first year. Once the lame novelty wore off I’ve hated them since. However, last night’s was super fun and exciting.

  94. Agree, Rob. And teams would become even more vested in winning in regulation/OT if they gained the extra point.

  95. BREAKING NEWS:

    Rangers trade POULET to Calgary in exchange for some of Glencross’ broken sticks … and a pair of his game socks.

  96. What if we reinstitute ties, make all games worth 3 points. Reg win is 3, OT win is 2, OT loss is 1, if you tie, the extra point goes to the team with the best Corsi? Carp?

  97. Did anyone really expect them to practice?

    Why would they?

    They just beat a Western Conference POWERHOUSE. And in convincing fashion too.

    Time to relax.

  98. DZ did some good things but also made two patented horrendous giveaways … Strålman was about the same I thought. Pouliot and Hags looked good together. Hagelin makes every line look better. Nash was ??? He seemed to play the high forward a lot, letting Stepan and Kreider get the glory. And he even covered for the D a couple of times.

    I’d still like to see Hagelin back with Nash.

  99. Stranger Nation on

    Why not just award 2pts for Shootout win and loser gets nothing? Need to keep high stakes through out to ensure best performance. IMHO you cannot reward a tie in reg/ot with a point.

  100. Be a teacher.

    (But really, they play a physical profession. They need days sometimes just to not be physical. Unless they’re Nash or Richards, then the physical part is optional hahaha!!!)

  101. When the Devils had Kovy and Parise they were the best shootout team in the league.

    Without them they are the worst.

    Fair or not fair?

  102. Players giving the rook McIlrath the hat for his little dance speaks volumes as to what they think of Sather’s team mix. They will never admit they are soft, but they appreciate some sorely needed muscle and protection. As Clyde might say: “They usually give the new rook the haze; tonight they gave him the praise.”

  103. I’m not sure they’d practice even if they lost. Which is ok with me, btw. It’s a long season with Olympics in February. The way it’s been going, McD may start playing more minutes than he did under Torts.

  104. I saw a rumor that McIlrath challenged anyone who didn’t vote for him for the hat to a fight and they all got scared and hid in their lockers and voted for McIlrath because he is very tough while the rest of the team is very not tough.

  105. _The way it’s been going, McD may start playing more minutes than he did under Torts._

    How crazy is that? Dress an extra D and McD still plays almomst half the game.

  106. Rob in Beantown on

    I don’t understand why the Bettman bonus point gets awarded at the end of regulation and not at the end of OT. That more than anything encourages teams to play for the shootout and makes OT more boring than it should be. If both teams didn’t have a point in hand I think it would encourage them to be more aggressive

  107. Even McGratten gave Mac a tap after the dukes. He knows more than Sather how things work for a team, even if it isn’t his.

  108. Mister D

    Regarding Zucc and Moore.

    My point is over a season the shootout results are not random and have a connection to your strength of roster.

    There is zero chance they are going back to no shootout or no OT.

    I don’t know of an alternative that is better than the shootout.

    Zuc and Moore both made excellent high skill shots.

  109. I am, actually, much more optimistic about McIlrath’s outlook as a NHL player today than I was when he was recalled. Toughness was never a question in his case. He needs to play in order to be clear on his decisions. and his skating isn’t as bad, in general. It’s more of an issue when he skates backwards and pivots. He’ll adjust when he learns his positioning, i believe.

  110. Shootouts give you the chance to see how some of these guys made it to the NHL re: hands, moves, ice psychology. Problem is, like Army basketball players who can consistently rifle the net in their dad’s driveway playing horse, once they get some real D in their face, things don’t work out so well.

  111. Lucic is an idiot for putting himself in that situation. Apparently he even told the guy “I will [Byfuglien] kill you” That’s REALLY stupid given who he is and how he has NOTHING to prove in that situation.

  112. Rob in Beantown on

    Yeah, I didn’t watch the video cause I’m at work so correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like he at least was smart enough not to hit the guy back

  113. Lucic (Looocheech) situation reminds me of a question Howard Cosell once publicly put to Ali, which had to do with Ali becoming a conscientious objector.
    “What would you do if someone came up to you in the street and punched you in the face?”
    Ali: “I would run.”
    “The heavyweight champion of the world would run?”
    Ali: “Anyone crazy enough to punch me in the face in the street, I don’t want nothing to do with him.”

  114. If we keep having starts like the last few games, spotting the other team 2,3 goals, we will lose more than we will win. I will take any win, and sure, there were signs of life against a mediocre team, but it is going to take a lot more to convince me this team as a whole will snap out of this abysmal play. MclLrath has onions, now the whole team needs to show even an onion peel. You don’t have to be a fighter or a tough guy to finish checks and take the body. The Little Rangers are tougher than this wet as a paper bag squad right now.

  115. Here’s to hoping that the current *bomb* situation and current *gunman* situation in Boston are just a hoax, like the ones int CT a few weeks back.

  116. after last night, I think we can officially press the panic button on Lundqvist. I cringed during the shootout, and I have never felt that way before.

    A win is a win, but if they play like this Wed., they are in for a really long night.

  117. eddie eddie eddie on

    Hank looked as nervous as a cat on a tin roof during that shootout….and was overjoyed when it ended…

  118. Kristo called up yet? on

    So playing 7 DMen, and not calling up your goal scorer, when your team HAS Trouble scoring. And you get a win.

    Good thing they won! Because I’d be questioning AV thought PRO-cess there!!!

    I don’t it! I really don’t. But hey we should celebrate, we beat the 2nd worse team in the west, and now the Rangers are at 33 pts, and Calgary is at 31.

    Rangers still 2 pts behind Carolina for the 3rd spot.

  119. Plus Flames played night before.
    Hank looking shaky.

    Start a mini rebuild and get a few picks and tougher players.

  120. _The Rangers’ asking price for defenceman Michael Del Zotto is a top-four blueliner in return, which leads one to believe Del Zotto will hang around until closer to the trade deadline._

    and…

    _So what if Brad Richards is the New York Rangers’ leading scorer?_
    _His ridiculous contract still makes him a candidate for New York’s second and final compliance buyout, argues the Edmonton Journal. Why? It’s a priority to re-sign captain Ryan Callahan and defenceman Dan Girardi, and the Rangers just spent a boatload on Henrik Lundqvist._

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-rumours-roundup-latest-trade-buzz-around-the-league/

  121. eddie eddie eddie on

    Simple recipe: ranger need to get on a winning streak. They have beat some good teams this year. As long as they come hard every game, take no shift off, give maximum effort, play as a team,,,,,things will improve….

  122. Not to imply that McIlrath won the fight (he held his own, that’s it!) but look at the photo Carp posted; are those forearm shivers that McGrattan wears legal? I’m pretty sure that’s what cut McIlrath under the eye, making the decision for McGrattan even more convincing. The kid looked nervous, being his first NHL fight and all, looking like he just wanted to get that out of the way. His next fight will be a truer test of his pugilistic skills.

  123. I take little if anything from last night’s game apart from 2 points. Brief glimpses don’t mean much of anything from this group until they can string together a few wins in a row and particularly these next few at him.

  124. Late to this as always. Stupid job. Here’s another option, think the NHL tried it once. If the game ends in a tie, call it a tie — each team gets a point, as now. If they want to keep the brief 4×4 extra bit, fine. If there’s still a tie, then there’s a tie. It seems to be a peculiarly American thing not to be able to stomach that, even if the wildly popular NFL can. Apologies to anyone who’s already made this obvious suggestion.

  125. Kristo called up yet? on

    I can’t imagine how the game on Wednesday against Penguins is going to go. They score at will, we can’t score at all.

    Do the Rangers surprise us, and steal a win from the best team in the EAST?

  126. eddie eddie eddie on

    In the 70’s, what occurred during tied games, with about 12 minutes left in the 3rd, was both teams going into a shell…playing passionless boring hockey….The league decided to do something….

    I like the SO…. call me crazy

  127. E3, that happens for the last 20 minutes now. Especially once it gets closer to playoff time, and every game becomes a three point game.

    That’s why I say, 3 points for regulation win. It gives you incentive to try to score in the third period of a tie game, even against the other conference.

  128. Stranger Nation on

    The SO is fun. Rumor has it half of the garden looked away from their smart phones to watch it.

    Why not give the winner 2 pts and the loser zero. 3 pt games are stupider than JR in college

  129. Stranger Nation on

    Gravy – agree; was referring to 2 & 1 point awarded, but still would want zero points for loss no matter how it happens or just allow them to have ties so they can know what its like to kiss their sisters

  130. Yeah, I’d rather have all games be worth the same amount, be it 2 or 3.

    The thing is, the shootout is a bit gimmicky, so I’m OK with awarding the loser 1 of the 3 points in that case.

  131. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I do not have an issue with the shootout. I do have an issue with the structure of the shootout, NHL points system, and the employment of shootouts in the regular season and not the postseason.

  132. _My point is over a season the shootout results are not random and have a connection to your strength of roster._

    My point is that as long as Zucc and Dom Moore and Christensen are shootout stars, the connection is probably far more goalie related than anything else.

  133. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    EEE, my brutha, you be actin crazy up in dis hood, poop yo.

  134. It’s fun that you get to see your favorite players test their individual talents in the shootout. But it’s a team game and what makes a break away or penalty shot exciting is it’s rarity. It doesn’t exist in the playoffs because it’s not a valid measuring stick of how good a team is.

    We’ve seen some pathetic showings by this team… just glad I’m not contractually obligated to watch them for the next 10 years.

  135. yeah I’m not buying that the shootout injects any additional offense into the game. all I’m seeing is teams sitting on ties since they know they have a better chance of winning in a shootout than with defenders on the ice.

  136. Thanks, Pimp. Let’s hope that means PK Subban or Max Pacioretty are on their way. Or Eller, or Emelin or any of their awesome players.

  137. @SinceFlyersCup Hi @Hartsy19, do you ever wonder how many days it has been since the Flyers last won the Stanley Cup? @nhl #AskHartnell

  138. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    In my humble opinion, it’s inconsistent to determine regular season results and standings by a shootout while eliminating the shootout entirely from the postseason.

  139. Rob in Beantown on

    If the Rangers are really finalizing a trade with MTL I think that means there’s a good chance we’re losing Boyle :(

  140. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Bob McKenzie ?@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    Prust is on his way back to #Rangers. Unknown what has been traded to #Canadiens.

  141. FACTO: Guys of McGratten’s ilk skate around bogarting and threatening your more highly skilled players (even Topo, McD, and Richie last evening), distracting and forcing them to play with their heads on a swivel, taking something away from their game. When that happens, a team need someone of sufficient size and macho to recommend to them that they knock it off.

  142. Henrik Lundqvist for Carey Price and PK Subban?

    The funny thing is that there are so many players on that roster I would like to have on our roster. I’m sure Sather will find a way to get the one or two guys I wouldn’t want (like Briere)

  143. _In my humble opinion, it’s inconsistent to determine regular season results and standings by a shootout while eliminating the shootout entirely from the postseason._

    I agree that inconsistency is bad. But if you also say “I do not have an issue with the shootout”, aren’t you saying you want the shootout in the playoffs?

  144. Sather Must Go! on

    I there is a significan trade wih Montreal… My guess is giardiasis is nvolved… Sme combo of moen-bourqre- pachoretty-Eller..

  145. I find it really interesting that people here are making such a big deal about the Broadway hat, which is meaningless. Carp – can you confirm how it’s awarded?

    My take is the last guy who had it just gives it to whoever he thinks had the best game, it’s not a vote or anything. Fight, assist, goal – they’d probably give it to a rookie in his first couple of games for any of those….big deal.

  146. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _aren’t you saying you want the shootout in the playoffs?_

    Yes.

  147. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    To elaborate, the shootout should be employed in both the regular season and postseason or neither.

  148. Kenneth stopped short of the full story. Prust is headed back to the Rangers for Brad Richards and the owners of the other 29 teams have signed a note wherein they admit trying to beat the Rangers is futile from here on out and will be conceding the Stanley Cup immediately.

  149. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Prust makes the Rangers impossible to play against. His presence makes every other player on the team tougher. His toughness gives teammates the freedom and space to create goals.

  150. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Would Prust do well in Olympics shootouts, Mister D?

    Prust is one of the best Canadian ice hockey professionals in the world, right?

  151. Kristo called up yet? on

    Kristo 11 Goals, 20 points, in 24 games. Leading the Pack, in goals and points. 54 shots on goal, 1 out of 5 lighting the lamp.

    How many lamps does he have to light before they call him up 20? 30? 40?

  152. There are more ‘roomers’ floating around here than in the hallway of a rundown 19th century tenement.

  153. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    UK @ 8:34 am:

    Exactly what Torts did, just in a different way. Remember? He used to use certain forwards for almost 30 minutes and others for 2-6. Playing his first line much more than his lousy 4th, playing his 1st pairing of d-men more than 2nd pair, etc.

    Two coaches, two different ways of handling it.

    In essence, telling Sather that the lump of crap he put before them sucks.

  154. Kristo called up yet? on

    Manny I would take Briere under one condition he would have a 34-34 year for the Rangers.

    Personally I would rather see Pacioretty & Prust for Del Zotto & ________

  155. Kristo called up yet? on

    Doc – I agree. He’s a little green, but I would rather have him in a Blue shirt shooting the puck, finishing checks, and picking up some greasy goals in front of the net. Because right now the Rangers don’t have that “type” of guy on the ice, with Cally on IR.

    No lets carry that 7th DMan instead. Grrrrr

  156. Sioux, he’s also a -6 with all those points, which may indicate that his even strength game isn’t where it needs to be.

  157. Miller has 7 goals in 8 games with the Pack, but 1 in 17 with the Rangers, so it doesn’t necessarily translate.

  158. And if he’s not doing the other things and there’s someone in the front office familiar with shot luck, there you go.

  159. yeah would agree that those AHL points don’t really mean a whole lot but when the NHL options are guys named Pyatt, Moore, Pouliot, Dorsett, etc., etc., I can’t really see the harm in giving him a brief look.

  160. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Kenneth’s 2:48 sarcasm laced post tells me he has zippo understanding of the actual game of hockey.

    Why would you guys want Eller? According to papa he is a “punk”!

  161. _Kenneth’s 2:48 sarcasm laced post tells me he has zippo understanding of the actual game of hockey._

    Laughing off Nash for Pacioretty didn’t handle that for you? Impressive hold out.

  162. _Moulson has 11 between the two teams._

    6 in 11 games then 5 in 20. Poor dude. Probably hurts his free agency worse than an ACL tear.

  163. guys like Moulson and Nielsen overachieved like crazy early on and I have a hard time believing anyone genuinely believed they’d maintain that pace. Moulson’s basically exactly at the kind of numbers he should have.

  164. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Laughing off Nash for Pacioretty didn’t handle that for you?_

    You are still going on with that nonsense? Can you please wait until Pacioretty strings together 2 consecutive full seasons of Nash-like production?

  165. Moulson was overrated on the Islanders and he’s equally underrated on the god awful Buffalo Sabres. He’s a good 15-25 goal guy that can play in front of the net on the PP and might have some serious PK potential. He’s essentially a $4.5M third line player. One that I would take on my team very happily.

  166. if you consider Nash to now be a 60-point forward, you’d basically have to trade him for Pacioretty. Pacioretty is younger, is a $3 million smaller cap hit and doesn’t have a concussion history.

  167. Beating a dead horse, as I am wont to do, I just watched the game video (you know, for fun) and guess, Manny, when the Rangers JUMPED the highest. That’s right, after Pouliot’s dangled shootout goal. Proves nothing, of course, but there it is.

  168. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _if you consider Nash to now be a 60-point forward, you’d basically have to trade him for Pacioretty. Pacioretty is younger, is a $3 million smaller cap hit and doesn’t have a concussion history._

    What reason is there to consider that Nash is now a 60-point forward?

  169. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _at his best Rick Nash was 60+_

    Are you certain you don’t want to view Nash’s career stats?

  170. been there, done that. if you want to make him a 79-point forward on the basis of 1 season, you may want to start chipping in to help the Rangers re-sign Brian Boyle.

    regardless, I watch the guy play every game and I’m not convinced he’s an elite forward, not even close. he looks like one of a long line of Ranger wingers who can’t finish. there are some nice things about him, but more often than not I see a guy who holds the puck too long and can’t get the puck above ice level.

  171. Agree, Lloyd. For me, it’s the thing I have been complaining about the past couple days: his shifts are awful. Super short, directionless. He looks like Ovechkin just skating in loops around the center of the ice waiting to do something fancy. Only problem, he doesn’t score 50+ goals.

  172. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _been there, done that. if you want to make him a 79-point forward on the basis of 1 season_

    No. There is middle ground between 60+ and 79.

    Employing the “logic” of Mister D in relation to BrASSard, wouldn’t Nash stand to benefit from being teamed up with better surrounding players? Further employing the “logic” of Mister D, isn’t Pacioretty teamed up with better surrounding players in Montreal than he would be with the Rangers?

  173. the guy’s career average is in the 60s, hence 60+

    not like I’m saying anything controversial here

  174. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Only problem, he doesn’t score 50+ goals._

    You said a short time that you would not want Ovechkin on the Rangers because he is a terrible captain that lacks leadership. Shhh.

  175. doesn’t really feel like anything he just said indicates a desire to have Ovechkin on the Rangers. more that you’d deal with his other shortcomings if he’s going to put up monster numbers.

    Nash has those shortcomings (and worse since he’s noticeably softer) and is on pace for a 45-point season.

  176. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _doesn’t really feel like anything he just said indicates a desire to have Ovechkin on the Rangers._

    Hence the Shhh.

  177. I don’t like Ovechkin as a *player to build around* because he’s a severely one dimensional player that lacks in all other areas of the game aside from scoring on the PP and then celebrating like he’s king of the earth.

  178. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _you get that 60+ means more than 60, right_

    Then consider Pacioretty to be a 50+ point forward.

  179. I won’t dispute that Nash is a better player if he’s paired with a top line center (that the Rangers don’t have) and a McDonagh and a pre-concussed Staal but it’s not like that’s a reasonable possibility at the moment. And he’s not shown himself to be good enough to overcome personnel limitatons night in, night out, so yeah, he’s just another winger who can’t finish (and now has a problem with concussions).

  180. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _that lacks in all other areas_

    He lacks in all other areas than the one area that the Rangers are severely lacking in.

  181. probably also worth noting that if you compute Nash’s point average the proper way and not just by multiplying his PPG times 82 he’s at about 62 points per season.

  182. Manny, Ovie is one dimensional?

    I guess being a top five forward ,a goal scoring machine and a body checker arguably better than any defenseman on the Rangers isn’t in your equation?

    Maybe you’re right, who needs him with the cast of Broadway stars we have! lol

  183. saying Ovechkin is one dimensional may be a bit of a stretch

    let’s just agree that he’s a terrible comparison when discussing Rick Nash

  184. _He lacks in all other areas than the one area that the Rangers are severely lacking in._

    It would be two areas if we didn’t have Talbot, right?

  185. Carp, just returned from an afternoon of traffic delays and much to my surprise in viewing some recent posts what should I spy?

    Some posing as you and suggesting a Nash for Moulson deal!

    Say it ain’t so Carp.

    Why would another team give up a healthy player albeit transiting Manny one dimensional who is in a walk year for a very good forward with a questionable injury history making millions more with years?

    Kenneth has articulated a very important aspect of Nash’s current dilemma which is a supporting cast.

    I believe you have said this yourself in the past, but the point is Sather is in for a penny on Nash and must therefore hope when paying the pound it’s worth it!

    Did you read Double D’s column?

  186. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    The Rangers need more cromulence to win games. Last night’s game proved that when the Rangers display cromulence, they win.

  187. “In vino veritas”, you are obviously a person of wit, intellect and good taste.

    With a virtue not often seen on sport’s blogs.

    The vision to see both the small and bigger picture, and the wisdom to know the difference! (;)

  188. Kenneth, “cromulence”,I love the word please provide a definition so when I use it I will attribute it to you!

    Croesus and Cronus I know but Senor Cromulence, nada! (;)

  189. BTW, has there been any mention on this thread by our pugilistic experts about the picture in the lead.

    Is that the way it’s done?

    Closing your eyes and looking like your ready to throw the discus?

    Mrs. McIllrath a word if you please. The lad is willing but a bit slow footed with questionable reactions and his agility is also an issue.

    Let’s try him in front of the plow for a bit eh? (;)

  190. Stranger Nation on

    Next week on ‘Sybil’, she talks to her new friend in the mirror and complements her on her looks and fashion sense.

    In her later years, debate raged over whether the woman upon whom Sybil was based indeed had multiple personalities, or was faking the whole thing, or whether she had some other disorder that compelled her to fake them. At the center was a *real person who was suffering from a real illness*.

  191. Carp, has an alien creature taken over your mind , with those duh type comments?

    And Stranger, “imagined illnesses” can be very real illnesses…..and have the very same consequences oft times so real they’ll scare the bejesus out of you.

    Maybe a night lite? (;)

  192. For all his goal-scoring success in the smaller NHL rinks, Nash may be more of a big sheet guy. Even with the concussion, he seems like an automatic for the Canadian team — big, skillful, strong skater, not as easy to angle off with all that room to operate in. Clearly, though, he’s not all the way back from the rung bell.

  193. Cmnsense, so people on sports blogs generally lack intellect, wit, and good taste? Try to read your posts before you publish them. For someone who is constantly preaching for abstaining from personal stuff, you offend at least one or more people almost every time. I gave you a taste of your own medicine earlier and you didn’t seem to like. For the record, I agree with most of your frequent, albeit redundant statements. But not in the format you present them.

  194. What’s the well intentioned troll, Lloyd? Oxymoron doesn’t describe the situation properly. I don’t think he’s a troll. He actually knows hockey. He believes in what he says. And he’s right more often than not. But there is a reason he’s been banned from multiple sites. Bet you it isn’t his fault :-)

  195. Nash may have his eye on the national team at this point. Stay healthy, get in on [deserved] reputation, go for the gold. Tough on Rangers fans, perhaps, and pure conjecture, of course, but regular-season NHL game vs. medal-round game for your country? Not close.

  196. ‘Oh, you look so beautiful tonight
    In the city of blinding lights…’

    You gotta be kiddin’me.

  197. Also, I am not hip enough to follow this “troll” business. It appears in context to be an insult, but I think I’d like to be one anyway, even if I was informed earlier that I’m neither a troll nor an idiot, no small comfort re. the latter. But would anyone care to explain to me how I can become the former? And do I get to collect toll money?

  198. Dorsett’s high school teacher: “Can you read your contract yet?”

    Dorsett: “That wasn’t even funny the FIRST time!”

  199. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _ But would anyone care to explain to me how I can become the former?_

    You can become the former by disagreeing with many premises set forth by the majority of posters.

  200. Easy, Norm. Remove your Avatar and start posting comments just to contradict everyone else, or come up with inflammatory statements so you can rile up the crowd. And, yeah, almost forgot, make sure you delete any knowledge of hockey from your grey matter.

  201. Also, Norm, make sure you have two or three Internet powered devices in your position. That way you can post using different handles and post either simultaneously or one after another. And, if heaven forbid, nobody bites, you can just talk to yourself and hope that someone thinks those are two-three different people and chimes in. Payoff for such behavior? Psychiatrist only knows.

  202. Kristo called up yet? on

    Great question on Nash Carp.

    I hate to throw up a Fantasy number on him but he is 395 for the year, #99 in the last 30 Days.

    0 – Hits
    8 – Block

    AV vs Torts?

    Is he playing it TOO safe?

  203. Norm, on Nash. We can only hope he overcomes this mental block. I think his fight against Hanzal made him wonder. The hit confirmed his fear. Unfortunately, I can’t say I see him recovering from it yet. Within a single game he looks like he may be ready for more physical contact, but he appears in doubt during his next shift. I don’t blame him. Nobody knows how long it may take.

  204. Wicky knows a thing or two about it. He may have sustained more concussions than I was able to include in my research paper :-) having said that, his wife thinks he had more than he cares to remember. :-)

  205. Moral re Nash: When you have a 50 million dollar Ferrari, you might want to consider a bit of insurance.

  206. Carp, you first .

    As the resident blog chieftain one might surmise you would be above the silliness of your sycophantic base.

    That is what a blog host does, i.e. starts the discussion with a comment and lets the posters take the reins.

    Your two goofiest comments on this thread have me questioning McIllrath’s courage, so in your honor we will award him the first and last Jean D’Arc “Carping” trophy for willingness to be pummeled for his pals!’

    His courage as you call it is not in question, it’s his ability and common sense to serve as a piñata for the rest of the unwilling!

    Two, you persist in feeding the fantasy that I am not a Ranger fan.

    So, care to put your money where your mouth is?

    Let’s bet a thousand that I can round up at least ten people(adults of a certain age) who know me and will swear that I have been a fan since before you were birthed?

    You have my email, let me know or put a sock in it for the future!

    You however like to join in with pithy and oft times banal comments which “stimulate” those who seek to please you. Proving the adage that blogs are populated mainly by those looking for agreement with their point of view and resenting those who do not.

    You kvell when someone praises your work but are less generous when someone does not.

    It may be personally gratifying but none the less infantile.

  207. I don’t gamble.

    you beg for comments/answers, and you don’t like them when I give them.

    you root against your team, like another recent regular.

    I think I know what my job description is.

    nobody’s got you handcuffed. You are free to go to other blogs if you hate it here.

  208. Kristo called up yet? on

    Gravy – Miller had 17 games, give Kristo a half a dozen or so. Never know, he HAS a better wrist shot than Miller. I’m thinking he could be a solid 3rd liner for this team.

  209. 2001, next.
    FYI I have been banned from exactly one site, the DN.

    Why you ask, those cheap wealth accumulators introduced two alleged journalism majors who had previously been employed at the paper on coffee runs to replace JDP a very good and knowledgeable writer.

    With a blog on the side!

    I as a devoted fan with an acerbic sense of humor toyed with their meager offerings as did others, and in desperation began a campaign to “eliminate” the DN’s twin mistakes.

    It happened but not until weenie #two a 30 old who wouldn’t know a hockey puck if he found it in his shorts departed.

    Naturally after having created a huge posting void by banning my aforementioned witty repartee’.(;)

    So, chill with that faint praise and never take anything personally until we know each other better. (;)

    I see much of life as a cosmic joke and frankly view sport’s blogs as ample evidence of same.

    Which is why I try to always indicate a lack of seriousness when discussions get too critical using emoticons.

    Have a nice evening and a better day tomorrow.

  210. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Easy, Norm. Remove your Avatar and start posting comments just to contradict everyone else, or come up with inflammatory statements so you can rile up the crowd. And, yeah, almost forgot, make sure you delete any knowledge of hockey from your grey matter. Also, Norm, make sure you have two or three Internet powered devices in your position. That way you can post using different handles and post either simultaneously or one after another. And, if heaven forbid, nobody bites, you can just talk to yourself and hope that someone thinks those are two-three different people and chimes in. Payoff for such behavior? Psychiatrist only knows._

    To consolidate, to become a troll, you must disagree frequently.

  211. Carp, 1- you rarely answer my questions except with meaningless one word response which apparent pass a glibness in your mind.

    2-beg? Be serious with your personal elevation to blog sainthood campaign.

    3-How can you possibly say I root against my team if you don’t know me personally?

    Must I don a cheerleading skirt , wave pom poms wear my Ranger jersey to satisfy you?

    4-I don’t “hate” , I will often disagree. Is that a problem for an adult?

    Finally, I have praised many of your blog posts and your stand up position with MSG, don’t pout.

    Apparently your ego requires complete fealty and obeisance, which I did not realize was the entry “fee”.

  212. I really couldn’t care less why they banned you from other sites, Comnsense.
    Care responding to my suggestion that you offend plenty of people, intentionally or not, while at the same time not willing to accept any type of even remote critic? Is that a given that your assessment is the only one that can be right? You just did it again, btw. “I …toyed with their meager offerings..”

  213. _To consolidate, to become a troll, you must disagree frequently._

    Even with yourself, from time to time. Its a rough business.

  214. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    How are the Rangers going to acquire enough cromulence to compete?

  215. _Must I don a cheerleading skirt , wave pom poms wear my Ranger jersey to satisfy you?_

    Do I get a vote here?

  216. Kenneth, Norm whomever, please don’t attempt to elevate blog discourse to any contrarian level.

    Repeat, on blogs especially sport’s blogs you must be willing to cater to popular opinion.

    Regardless whether or not it is either factual or logical.

    To disagree is to be told to “take a hike”!

    Carp, speaking of “hike” did you read Double D’s column?

    Which is one of many questions I’ve asked you FYI!

  217. He isn’t a troll, Manny. He can offer a good amount of hockey knowledge and knowledge about its history if he could only place his thoughts in the format similar to what Fran does. Or used to do, unfortunately

  218. ilb to Intern: “Sit down and shut up.”

    Other Intern: “Strange, he’s never like this.”

    First Intern: “I think he’s on that meshuggah hockey blog again.

  219. He’s just a martyr. Manny voices a contrarian opinion about fighting here most days and he doesn’t immediately whine when people tell him he’s wrong.

  220. Stranger Nation on

    In her later years, debate raged over whether the woman upon whom Sybil was based indeed had multiple personalities, or was faking the whole thing, or whether she had some other disorder that compelled her to fake them. At the center was a real person who was suffering from a real illness.

  221. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Repeat, on blogs especially sport’s blogs you must be willing to cater to popular opinion. Regardless whether or not it is either factual or logical._

    Ain’t that the *truth*. I find it enjoyable to criticize the vacuousness of others.

  222. 2001, you have a very narrow and seriously abridged sense of humor.

    This is not meant as a insult, but your comments reflect a very “tightened” anal condition!

    Do you really not understand when someone is ribbing you?

    Is there an emoticon you or anyone else prefers?

    You have my permission to rib me anytime you like as long as I can joust in return.

    If you prefer not to engage in the silliness just ignore and be a bore!!! See the Smiley face, (;)

  223. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    *a contrarian opinion*

    Different from frequent contrasting opinions.

  224. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Prust would bring the Rangers much needed cromulence in their effort to qualify for the playoffs.

  225. Who am I kidding? Fighting is awesome. And a huge part of playing in the NHL and intimidating teams into giving you space on the ice! WOO HOO

  226. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    And I killed all the people cause I was crazy

    These prices are inssssssssssssssane

    I’m Tom Carvel

  227. why I am not surprised that one McIlrath fight has already moved him to Prust-level among some here

    come on guys, get a grip

  228. “He’s just a martyr. Manny voices a contrarian opinion about fighting here most days and he doesn’t immediately whine when people tell him he’s wrong.”

    Manny whines before people tell him he’s wrong.

  229. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    That should read The Undertaker….not the Underaker – thought he was the over ache-er after yesterday’s tussle

  230. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Manny whines pre-wrong, while wrong, and post-wrong_

    All the time, then (:

  231. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _why I am not surprised_

    You are not surprised because that is the usual level of discourse that takes place here.

  232. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kenneth – as a contributor to same, you realize that you’re part of the problem, yes?

  233. EdwardIII, “civil” engineering priceless!

    Subtle humor and targeted. I’m so inspired I think I’ll say a few nice things about………..well I’m sure there is some deserving soul!

    I know, Carp, enjoy your dinner but watch the bones in the fish! (;)

  234. St. Peter to Carter Hutton at Heaven’s gate: “Third Star of the Week, December 2013? That’s it?”

  235. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Great Ali story:

    While flying cross country, late 60’s early 70’s, the airplane Ali was flying in hit some terrible turbulence and the “fasten seat belt sign” came on….Ali didn’t obey…..stewardess came by and asked that he buckle up…Ali said “superman don’t need no seat belt” and the stewardess replied “superman don’t need no plane!!”

  236. Gentlemen of the loyal order of blog sheep, do I sense the true blog provocateurs about to make their appearance and liven the festivities or should I go back to the book?

    Has the blog totem gone to bed?

  237. Another true story, when flying to Vegas for a championship fight.

    Larry Holmes a vastly underrated champion sitting near me in first class and discussing of all things, tax free munis!

    He commented about what a great deal they were and said he had put 10 million into the bonds.

    I got up went across the aisle and said “Champ I want to congratulate you”.

    He replied, “but we haven’t won the fight yet”.

    I replied, “but of course you have, how many of your fellow boxers have secured their future as you’ve done with those munis”?

    I’m sure he appreciated it but I did not get a free ducat!

  238. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ali – “I’m the greatest of all time, I’m number one”

    Frazier – “yeah? You look like number two to me”

  239. Along a similar vein, Old buddy of mine owned a bar and was Tommy Motolla’s cousin (ran Sony Music). Motolla and Daryl Hall were frequenters and Hall talked rapturously of dollars and Cuban Cigars, never music.

  240. Kenny, another bedtime story about one of the best baseball people and gentlemen extant, Joseph Paul Torre.

    When at a spring training game Joe invited a friend and former NFL coach, myself and another gent onto the field to say hello to a few of the players.

    He motioned to Jeter and Giambi who immediately came over were very cordial.

    He then looked over at Arod and Sheffield as if to do likewise, which they ignored as per their curmudgeon personas.

    His late brother Frank just looked and rolled his eyes in knowing fashion!

    Gentlemen to the core.

  241. Gents, I’m pretty sure that Easton was the bond source.

    But talk about securing your financial future 10mm. @5%!

    In Easton yet!

    Could it have been Estonia? (;)

  242. Hope those bonds didn’t come from Harrisburg or Scranton, both of which have declared bankruptcy. Easton probably not far behind.

  243. If rumors prove true, Blueshirts are moving a Dman to Montreal. Has to be DelZ, no? For whom, who knows?

  244. Coos, “El Jefe” loves Cuban cigars.

    I believe today Tampa is no longer a player and most of the best like Monte Cristo’s come from the Dominican unless smuggled in to Estados Unidos from Cuba.

    Is that true?

  245. Big shots love the Cubans; illegal, but readily available. The illegality undoubtedly adds to the panache.

  246. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    One of my students went to China as part of his research and he brought me some Cubanos see Garrs

  247. Speaking of greats in any venue.

    Let’s have tipple for one of the best actors and stage presences of his time Peter O’Toole who just passed away.

    Veuve Cliqot Grand Dame? Eddie or Coos get thee to the cellar! ;

  248. ‘There’s a girl in this harbor town
    And she works layin’ whiskey down;
    They say “Brandy, fetch another round”
    She serves them whiskey and wine.’

  249. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    What do Wally Cox, Peter O’Toole, Randy Johnson, Pete Peters, and Mike Babcock have in common?

  250. Moving MDZ now would be gross given that he’s obviously 3rd in terms of trust among the LHD, 2nd with Staal (who has brothers who also play in the NHL) out.

  251. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Looking Glass, made of Brass, fail or pass, lads and lass, out of gas, flunk or pass

    Boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  252. HS agent to eddie’s student: “Do you have anything to declare?”

    “Yeah, you ask a lot of questions.”

  253. Trying to keep the blog at least somewhat elevated.

    Have any of you raconteurs read John Kennedy Toole’s masterpiece, “A Confederacy of Dunces”?

  254. Chris Stewart with 2 quick goals, Blues 2-1 against Ottawa.

    Check out Torre’s favorite place when it reopens again, Ponte’s. They may actually relocate. Anyway, when you’re there ask the older waiters about Joe’s tipping habits.

  255. Even strength ice time last 4 games …

    MDZ: 19.9, 18.2, 18.7, 19.3 = 76.1

    Moore: 9.7, 15.1, 14.4, 13.0 = 52.2

  256. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Trying to keep the blog at least somewhat elevated._

    Your efforts are commendable. (:

  257. Toole, of course, offed himself. His book was rejected by every house in NY. Eventually won the Pulitzer posthumously.

  258. Joe lived in New Rochelle, Premium Point. Never met him, but never heard a bad word about him from any of those who did.

  259. Joe Torre deserved HoF consideration as a player. Would be nice if he could go in as both or something.

  260. Yeah. Harrison, then Mahopac vicinity. I think Jeter may have built a house up there, too. Men of many houses.

  261. ‘You know, it seems the more we talk about it
    It only makes it worse to live without it
    But lets talk about it
    Wouldn’t it be nice…’

  262. Toole’s one great tome has become required reading in English Lit. classes.

    Of course the only students who take Arts degrees these days are those who have wealthy parents or financial world connections with assured jobs.

    Coos, didn’t I read somewhere that Toole had penned another manuscript that his mother was trying to peddle?

    Just a change of pace and now that Carp’s back, maybe I’ll go back to the book.

    He’s become so judgmental where I’m concerned! (IS)

    Impersonal sarcasm accepted?

  263. Jeets has a 33,000 sq. ft. palace on Davis Is.off Tampa which when I first saw it remarked, “why would they build a library there”!

  264. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    McIlrath has instantly made the Rangers more cromulent.

  265. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    His presence on the ice will make the team more cromulent to play against.

  266. Toole’s mother was trying to peddle a book remnant he (somewhat) wrote in high school. First she set out to get other heirs to sign their rights away to her for zilch. Odd woman, could easily have appeared in his novel. No one, no one wanted Confederacy. A slackjawed, officious senior editor I knew at Knopf rejected it out of hand, then claimed, years later, after it won prizes, that he never saw it.

  267. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Bertuzzo displayed what the Rangers are lacking, cromulence. The Rangers will not compete until they acquire enough cromulence.

  268. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Comnsnse,
    Superb use of cromulated. Cromulence at its finest. (:

  269. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Ulfie is sitting in Mario’s box watching his son’s NHL debut. That should a good set up for Wednesday’s tilt._

    Will Ulfie display the same cromulence Wednesday night as he did during his playing career?

  270. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Kenneth, might an overdose of Cromulence lead to somnolence_

    LMAO

    There can never be enough cromulence. Cromulence is the key to success. If the Rangers were stacked with cromulence, they would never lose.

  271. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    EEE, my brutha from anutha, you are the most cromulent poster of all. (:

  272. Carl Eller, Alan Page, Jim Marshall and Fran the Man! Those were some good years for Vikings fans, well almost.

  273. You should have seen me with the pocker man,
    I had a honey and I bet a grand,
    Just in the nick of time I looked at his hand.

  274. Stranger Nation on

    Ex3 – what it be, my homie, cop a plea, sting like a bee, jab like Ali, when I’m free, i am the sea, shake it sugaree, my uncle and me, bang the drum , guitar will strum, thump the base, melt your face

    boyeeeeeeeeee!

  275. Good Sign NYR coming back from being down and not scoring the first goal and then winning, even if it was a shootout ,

    I agree about Hank. Wonder why his confidence was so low at the pre-season I thought

  276. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    My response to the Bortuzzo hit is:

    1. He is ugly
    2. He is big
    3. He is ugly and big
    4. He is ugly and big and I’d like a deterent like him on my team.

    5. oh? about the hit? He was much bigger than the other guy. He bent down and tried not to hit his head. he just did. It was shoulder to head and, I guess, if he has a past record, la la la la la, then he gets 2 games.

  277. Re: Bortuzzo and similar: I think we might have ourselves some people in NHL uniforms with serious sociopathic tendencies. Might have a couple posters, too. You cannot reason with a sociopath. You waste your time and you annoy the sociopath.

  278. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    I finally had a chance to watch Rangers in 60 for Sundays game, having mercifully not been there or seen it.

    I have never seen Hank look so shaky and scared. New pads? New system? Don’t care. He doesn’t get his confidence back, we can kiss the next 5 years good buy.

    I can’t imagine it happening, but if he plays like this the final 45+ of the season? Sather will have another to add to his decision about compliance buy outs at end of season.

    Can’t imagine that, but phew, wretched he was.

    PS. BTW, a very confident shootout goal by Secretariat, even if it was after countless misplays and giveaways. He also seems to be the only one willing to shoot on the PP. MacD, second. Step can’t wait to pass the puck to anyone else, just doesn’t want to put it towards the net. Wazzup with that?????

  279. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Sather: “Well, I am proud of the amount of compliance buyouts I have brought to this team.”

  280. Rumors, rumors. At this point, if they let DelZ go, they absolutely must get a reliable defenseman in return.

  281. Northern Dancer’s last remaining skill is in shooting the puck, which he will do so long as no opponent is near him, in which case, he’ll throw the puck absolutely anywhere and then duck.

  282. Depth Chart of Montreal Prospects:

    Lack of nastiness on defense.
    Lack of size and physicality at forward.

    Sounds familiar.

  283. With regards to Matty Boys post regarding Hank looking shaky, in a shootout, defensive systems go by the wayside and pad size doesn’t enter into positioning. I can’t recall Hank being deked so badly that if his pads were twice the size he still couldn’t stop it. Maybe being blamed for Torts release, justified or not, is the reason. There has to be something mentally bothering him that the new contract cannot rectify.

  284. If Hank is truly healthy, he should be at the peak of his prowess and carry it for seasons. Can’t imagine he won’t pick it up and regain his world-class form.

  285. Still fuming about nit-wit Fran Healy asking Henrik: “When you see the puck coming at you at 100 MPH, would you rather be someplace else?” What a consummate dork.

  286. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Well, for Hanky-poo, time for another $500k, but this time for psychiatrist bills!! I think it’s in his head, too.

    Just watching him in that shootout, he was beyond undressed by some average players with average moves. Not our Hank out there.

  287. Andrew Gross re: McIlrath – Mac said McGratten tapped him after fight, and said, “Good job, kid.”

  288. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    Sather’s list of compliance or other buyouts:

    Drury
    GOmez
    Redden
    Richards?
    Nash?
    Hank?

    THe possibilities are endless…………….

  289. Rob in Beantown on

    Can Hank even be bought out? His contract was signed after the CBA and doesn’t start til next year

  290. Are you referring to me, ilb? Because I so very badly want the kid to succeed because, on paper, he’s precisely what we need?

  291. I’ve said it before, but the league needs to get more serious with headshots if they want to have a chance to prevent them. That includes fines and/or suspensions, even if the player isn’t concussed. You need to put the slightest hint of doubt in the hitters mind to hold up a bit.

    On the flip side, I don’t want to eliminate hard hits from the game completely. So, there is a fine line.

  292. Stranger Nation on

    Can we give the kid more than 5 mins TOI? He spent more time in the box then he did on the ice…

  293. Stranger Nation on

    Re Head Shots – they challenge becomes when the player is bent over and gets hit in the head, is that a head shot? Almost have to measure intent, which in some cases is obvious and others, not so obvious.

    Against Van, Steps causes turnover and Nash gathers puck, sees The Kreider and while bent over gets a beauty of a pass in stride which is put in the net. As Nash was bent over, Sestito comes barreling into him and nails Nash with his hip in Nash’s neck/head.

    Is Sestito at blame? Could he have prevented the hit to head area? Was Nash in a vulnerable position? Do we want to adopt the National Felon Leagues’ subjective interpretation of vulnerability?

    Slippery slope.

  294. I think the NHL should just realize that players are going to get hurt. You can only do so much to protect them given the violent nature of the sport. The players are aware of this risk when they sign up and in exchange they get wealth and fame. I think they are OK with the risk.

    They should focus on Concussion research and better helmets.

  295. Excellent. I’d just like to comment about what a swell blog this is. I agree with everyone here expect the ones who are wrong. I also think that Norm Merton guy is especially on target with all of his hockey observations. I’d really like to meet him and give him free tickets.

  296. Papa making me laugh already. He usually keeps his best stuff ’til the moon’s out. Always welcome.

  297. ilb2001 (if that’s your real name), you are a stupid stupid-face with stupid opinions, and I think the Rangers are well on their way to winning the Cup this year.

  298. cooscoos (again, weird name) don’t make fun of my grammer, speling or tipos. It’s hurtfull.

    Noah

  299. also, coos, if you have a single quotation mark on the left side, please do not employ a double quotation mark on the right. It’s offensive and makes me doubt everything you say.

  300. I think I’ll merrily keep commenting even though nobody responds to me and then take offense that they haven’t and call them all bad names and then disappear for a while. You’re all stupid.

  301. Coos, re: the moon…..for me, it’s later than you think, I’m across the pond, east end of London – ‘area covered by the sound of the bells’ hanging with my working class lads and brushing up on my cockneye accent.

    How’s that grab ya mate?

  302. Tom Coughlin: “Today is a day of healing again, trying to find out who we are.” Wife says, “Keep Coaching, PLEASE!’
    Tom replies: “You call this a fried egg? And where’s the goddamned toast?”

  303. Lets see if we can get to the bottom and find out who this suspicious Noah guy is…………..

    Hey Noah, you like horses?

  304. Papa – You in London? My daughter and son-in-law are over here for the holidays. Might could have got you a temporary townhouse.

  305. FINALLY!

    From TSN: POULET to Montreal for Subban and a first.

    I think it’s a good deal for us.

  306. There is a difference between retired and re-tired. Never resign when they’re asking you to re-sign.

  307. That’s true, Coos. He teaches English, Jazz History and an elective Holocaust History course. But he’s primarily an English Professor.

  308. The Kreider said about McIlrath: “I don’t know too much about it, but I give him credit for taking on one of the really tough guys.” Uh, oh.

  309. A day without work is like a biting into a nice fresh Twinkie sans (minus, without) the creme filling.

  310. _Do we want to adopt the National Felon Leagues’ subjective interpretation of vulnerability?_

    Yup. If you have to risk some suspensions for unproven intent, so be it. Last night is a good case-in-point; there’s absolutely a chance Toronto guy could have been injured had they just collided because of his vulnerable position. Bortuzzo going to the finish on the vulnerable player all but guaranteed the injury. Did he mean to injure him or just hurt him or just take him out of the play or none of those? Don’t care. Eventually enough teammates hurt and teammates suspended and things will change.

  311. JR – “A day without work is like biting into a nice fresh POULET nugget sans (no idea what this means) the chicken.”

  312. These guys can stop on a dime. No reason for all the headshots. Occasionally, it’s unavoidable, but not often. And the robocop elbow pads and iron shoulder pads don’t help, and are too often used as weapons. It’s one thing to defend yourself, but another thing altogether to act like a mindless thug.

  313. Where’s CARP?

    That man needs to wake up and give us some updated news on The Kreider and how good he is.

  314. ‘A room without windows, a room without doors
    A room where no guy but I can spy the charms that are yours
    Like being marooned on a island far from civilized shores
    You and me in a room without windows, a room without doors.’

  315. 2001, do you realize why there are so many posts on this thread with no game?

    Auditions for comedy central, I’ll be writing my review of the winners later.

    Coos, what we need are more psychopaths on the blog, they are much easier to identify by their unique skill sets!

    Humor soothes the savage breast, music too! Wink, wink!

  316. JR – “The inculpability of the player cannot be foreshadowed by his true extinguishment of plurality.”

  317. I would love to know if it’s snowing, but again, my office has no windows and I can’t see any windows outside my door due to a poorly placed filing cabinet.

  318. Olde Irish Prayer

    May those that love us, love us.
    And those that don’t love us,
    May God turn their hearts.
    And if he doesn’t turn their hearts,
    May he turn their ankles,
    So we’ll know them by their limping.

  319. Pimp, 10:14, that’s one of the better JR’s posts recently. May be one of the top 3 of the year! Almost Kreiderish……

  320. Manny, why don’t you just knock the filing cabinet out of the way, like when Peter took down his cubicle wall in Office Space?

  321. Well, I actually made that joke to the underlings in the cubicle area because the guy on the end actually has no wall and looks like he did the Peter Gibbons (straight shooter with upper management written all over him).

    If I moved the file cabinet I would have someone very angry with me. VERY angry.

  322. I’ve become a Frisbeetarian. We believe that at death, our souls fly up to the roof and are stuck there for eternity.

  323. Manny tough to narrow it down.

    SciFi – Empire Strikes Back, Return of the King
    Action – The Matrix
    Drama – *Fight* Club, Memento, The Godfather 1&2, Goodfellas, The Usual Suspects, Pulp Fiction, Seven, Rain Man
    Comedy – The Naked Gun, Office Space

    And I’m probably leaving stuff off.

  324. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I saw your post last night. Was she happy to see you. Did you mention her dad? Call her up and say “it was wonderful to see you, hope everything is ok” ;)

    Interesting how the universe works sometimes, yes?

  325. I also really enjoyed *Inception*, though I have to watch that 100 times like the other movies to make sure ;)

  326. Fellow retirees, how many are actually retired and for how long?

    I do not see many responses but we do need more workers.

    I think S.S is down to 1.5 to 1 now, thank goodness it was 16 to 1 in the distant past and there will be no disruption to my benefits.

    Perhaps some of you younger fellows could get a second job! (;

  327. On the Waterfront
    The Third Man
    A Man For All Seasons
    The Verdict
    Long Day’s Journey into Night
    Annie Hall
    East of Eden
    Godfather
    Henry V
    House of Games
    Manhattan
    Mon Oncle
    One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest
    The Remains of the Day
    The War of the Roses
    West Side Story
    The Spanish Prisoner
    Breaking Away

  328. coos,
    in a confidential whisper, as one atheist to another: there is no death(till you are live), no souls(just material substance), no roof(except proverbial one) and no eternity(nobody able to understand or imagine)…
    Just intangible brotherly love to everything hockey!

  329. I’m embarrassed to say I still haven’t seen One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, and I really need to.

  330. Speaking of Jack Nicholson, The Shining would be my choice for horror, and I’m not really a horror fan.

  331. Deep Throat

    Debbie does Dallas

    Is there a doctor in the house

    Depravity

    Marquis De Sade in living color.

    Nurses Convention

    An Inconvenient Wife

    I’m telling you the list of faves is endless!!! ;)

  332. Nicholson to then unknown Danny DeVito, playing blackjack in nut house –

    DeVito: ‘Hit me.”
    Jack: “You don’t understand, you already have 26. You’re out. Understand?”
    DeVito. “Yeah, hit me.”

  333. I think my favorite comedy of all time is Steve Martin’s _The Jerk_

    Best Romantic Comedy: _Wedding Singer_
    Best Indie Comedy: _The Big Lebowski_
    Best Quirky Comedy: _The Royal Tenenbaums_

  334. And lest we forget an all time hit for Coos.

    “Up on the Roof”!

    On a serious note the best western (not the hotel chain).

    The Searchers, others of every genre, Citizen Kane, Beckett, A Lion in Winter, many musicals e.g. Singing in the Rain, Moulin Rouge, The Last Time I saw Paris and any older DeNiro movie.

    I especially enjoyed “The Mission”.

  335. ‘All the leaves are brown and the sky is grey
    I’ve been out for a walk
    on a winters day
    I’d be save and warm if I was in LA
    California dreaming, on such a winters day…’

  336. Steve Martin, “My Blue Heaven and my all time fave for comedy and vulnerability, John Candy in “Armed and Dangerous”, and who has not shed a tear at the end of the howling for “Planes, Trains and Automobiles”?

  337. More?

    An Absence of Malice

    The Accidental Tourist

    The Quiet Man

    Verdict

    Why go on except to note that famous Greek tragicomedy.

    “Advance to the Rear”!!! ;)

  338. Pops, at the risk of offending you ,”Unforgiven” deserved an AA about as much as Palance for playing Curley!

    The best movie Eastwood has ever made for both directing and acting was “Million Dollar Baby”.

  339. Manny, there is an old, unknown movie, maybe unavailable, about an intelligent, sensitive hockey player who is fading, and has to learn to be an enforcer to stay in the league. Wish I could remember the name. If I do, I will post it.

  340. Hud.

    Deer Hunter.

    The Hustler.

    Cyrano, with Ferrer and the comedy with Martin.

    And another fave of the alternate set, “The Count of Monte Crisco”! lol

  341. Coos, all McCarthy stories are eerie, strong and somewhat strange.

    How about “My Left Foot or most anything Day-Lewis has done?

    Bogie, Cagney, Gable, and legal masterpieces like “Witness for the Prosecution”?

  342. Rangers sign F Akim Aliu to PTO contract for the Hartford Wolfpack

    Akim Aliu
    Right Wing — shoots R
    Born Apr 24 1989 — Okene, Nigeria
    Height 6.04 — Weight 229 [193 cm/102 kg]
    Drafted by Chicago Blackhawks
    – round 2 #56 overall 2007 NHL Entry Draft

    – has good speed and excellent size/strength combo and decent hands around the net – can win loose puck battles and is almost unstoppable when he sets his mind to it – not shy with dropping the gloves and is a feared fighter – has tons of promise but a hazing issue has followed him around and teams have been quick to cut bait on him, though all indications are he has matured in that sense –
    =============
    elite prospects:
    A very aggressive winger, Aliu has excellent agitating qualities. He likes to hit and play a physical game. Also has some offensive ability and a quick release.
    On the downside, he has been accused of being a lazy player with a sore attitude to the game at times.

  343. I Read ‘The Road’ and ‘All the Pretty Horses’ by McCarthy. He’s certainly one of our best literary cross over writers. And Laughton carried every film he was ever in.

  344. Coos, did Richie star in that movie about the hockey player?

    Slap Shot was truly hilarious, John Goodman’s performance as the Babe some touching moments.

    Scarface both times!

    And who could forget, “I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle”?

    And, “I Changed my Sex” or the suggestive, “I like your Nerve”?

    I’ll bet most of you don’t believe these are real movie titles,yes?

  345. Love it, tomb. If you’re taking a flyer on a player, attitude is the best thing to have lacking because it means the rest is there.

  346. My *favorite* novel ever is by Cormac *McCarthy* and it’s called _Blood Meridian or Evening Redness in the West_

    It’s AMAZING. Took him 10 years to write it. The research and characters any everything are totally true. It’s the most *depraved* thing ever written.

  347. Man, I saw “hazing issue” and thought “uh-oh, I’m going to hate this dude”. Exact opposite.

  348. I forgot my library card… I’m obviously on the wrong website….

    I just read an article about that “hazing” incident with Aliu. total bs. He refused to be humiliated and his teammates ridiculed him and isolated him until Steve Downie blindsided him in a practice with a crosscheck to the mouth… I’m glad Colorado got rid of him.

  349. Wiki summary for you lazyasses: Aliu refused to get naked for Steve Downie and some other perv teammates, the next day in practice Downie cross checked Aliu in the face knocking out 3 teeth. Aliu went to the room, got fixed up, came back out and dropped them with Downie.

    So basically this guy has a “difficult” rep, atleast in part because he wouldn’t let a Flyer see his D. Rooting for him 100%.

  350. Akim Aliu,didn’t he star with Sabu in “Ali Baba”?

    Maybe it was “I Killed Rasputin”!

    Who gives up on a linebacker sized forward unless……

    More Sather magic! lol

  351. “On the Waterfront” best movie ever, agreed. Also huge fan of unfortunately-titled “Shawshank Redemption”.

  352. Have we switched to novels?

    Read “The Book Thief”, in a lifetime of reading perhaps the most compelling and powerful book I’ve ever read.

    Forget the movie, mere pastry!

  353. Best book/movie joint excellence:

    Cuckoo’s Nest
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    A Clockwork Orange
    The Shining
    .
    .
    .

  354. _Man, this guy Aliu has played for a LOT of teams for a 24 year old._

    Yup, and maybe he really is a pain in the ass. Or maybe you can read between the lines and with all the hazing/bullying garbage going on he’ll get a clean shot here. Either way, great guy to take a chance on.

  355. Inherit the Wind

    Look who’s coming to dinner.

    The Informer

    And “The Incredible Two-Headed Transplant”, the touching story of the relationship between Junior and Glennie.

    A veritable box office bonanza on a “Beginnings” episode!

  356. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    ILB
    I didn’t think the bortuzzo hit was any worse than the engelland hit and neither was dirty…contact sport.

  357. ‘Cape Fear’ with Robert Mitchum. Scary. From a novel by John D. MacDonald. (‘The Executioners.’)

  358. They are collecting a good amount of tough guys with attitude issues who can also drop the gloves and have some scoring touch- Kyle Beach, now Aliu. I do not see the downside, low risk.

    Thanks, Wicky. I didn’t thin it was intentional or dirty either. But it was still a shot to the head. How do you draw a line?

  359. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    ILB
    I think head as initial principle point of contact is the key to me. If a guy puts a shoulder into another guys chest but the follow thru gets part of the head, I don’t think it should be a suspension, seems like a hockey play.

    I think most look at the whole head shot/concussion thing the wrong way, the real problem is the speed of the game not the contact. I would slow the game down to eliminate a lot of the higher speed higher impact plays that legal or not cause the most damage.

    Bring back some clutching and grabbing and some interference.

  360. Stranger Nation on

    If we can’t be the Stanley Cup champs…maybe we can get the Champs’ draft retreads

    Where’s Olga? Hanging with Hugo and Juanna?

    More size to protect our undersized draft picks in Ho-fort.

  361. Csense, y would u think I would be offended? We are permitted to have different opinions here on worst blog on Internets. , after all, we are not all Trolls you know :)

  362. If Bettman undercuts Shanahan on Thornton, Shanahan should go into Bettman’s office, pull his XS dress shirt over his head, punch him a few times, and resign.

  363. Thinking the same thing, ilb. Not just a coincidence he’s looking to go tougher. What took so long?

  364. @NYRUnlimited 45m

    Wolfpack sign Akim Aliu to PTO. He was an interesting prospect a few years back.

    @Herman_NYRBlog 32m

    First Kyle Beach. Now Akim Aliu signs a PTO with the Wolfpack. Got any more psycho forwards for us, Chicago? Anyone left

  365. The PLAYERS know when it’s headhunting or when it’s a deliberate cheap shot, or when it’s just a clean, hard check, with which they haven’t a problem unless they’re being run out of the rink, at which time, retribution will be exacted. For us, Dorsett, lol.

  366. ‘Psycho Killer
    Qu’est Que C’est
    Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
    Run run run run run run run away
    Psycho Killer
    Qu’est Que C’est
    Fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better
    Run run run run run run run away.’

  367. Coos, MacDonald one of the early mystery greats with Hammet.

    I also like Westlake/Stark novels.

    Lost Horizon, Seven Days In May, Cop, Gorky Park more the book, French Connection, Double Indemnity.

    And another Glennie fave, “I bury the Living”!

  368. Love it. The blog lights up when everyone gets to the office, then goes dark for lunch, lights up again when everyone gets back to ‘work.’

  369. I don’t think John *Moore* was ever _that_ good. He was just very, very fast and pretty physical when need be and he was protected in the Torts system. Now he has to move more and think more and we can see why he was a tradeable commodity. Still love the kid though.

  370. Yeah this wasn’t Gainey era Montreal with McDonagh, Columbus is well run now. We got a former 1st rounder who profiles as a likely 3LD, which is perfectly fine with me.

  371. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Aliu would increase the playable cromulence of the Rangers.

  372. A Man For All Seasons, All The King’s Men, All About Eve, Jim Thorpe All American, Valdez is Coming, The Kentuckian, The Alamo, Red River, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.

    Beginnings?

  373. Stranger Nation on

    Moore is a better skating MEZ with a more accurate shot (not saying much) who will move guys out of crease and, god forbid, drop the mitts on the rare occasion.

  374. … and who the Rangers are obviously sabotaging by playing him much less than DZ in the absense of Staal.

  375. Speaking of Hammett and his ilk, here’s a short excerpt from Raymond Chandler:

    The chair was pushed back, feet shuffled, the door opened. “You the manager?” “Yeah.” ‘He held an empty smeared glass in his hand. It looked as if somebody had been keeping goldfish in it. He was a lanky man with carroty short hair growing down to a point on his forehead… He had a long, narrow head packed with shabby cunning. His ears were large and might have flapped in a high wind…He had a long nose that would be into things…a face that held the effortless composure of a corpse in the morgue…”Beat it,” he said. “Drift.” He started to close the door. He opened it again to say, “Take the air. Scram. Push off.” Having made his meaning clear, he started to close the door again…I leaned against the door. He leaned against it on his side…”Five bucks,” I said. He opened the door very suddenly and I had to take a quick step forward in order not to butt his chin with my head. “Come in,” he said.

  376. Manny, how about Dudley Moore, Terri Moore, Terry Moore, Demi Moore, Thomas More, Victor Moore, Kenneth Moore, Jayson Moore, Clayton Moore, African Moors, the desolate moors.

    The moore the merrier!

  377. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I don’t think John Moore was ever that good._

    Not too long ago, you considered Moore to be a part of the Rangers core. My, you change your mind as often as the wind blows.

  378. Hey, Ken. If you’re going to quote someone, be honest enough to include Manny’s italics (not THAT good) not (not that good.)

  379. Coos, The Maltese Falcon, Key Largo, To Have and Have Not, From Here to Eternity, Five Easy Pieces, Ben Hur, Braveheart Pass, Braveheart, .

    Willard? ;)

  380. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Gravy,
    You are displaying the cromulence which the Rangers do not possess enough of.

  381. I don’t really change Hairdressers all that often. The problem is that the guy I like, Simonè, is more expensive than I would like and I often try to save money by going back to this old place that does a terrible job but has a nice deal on Tuesday evenings.

    It’s a real burden…

  382. Um…. *PUKE* Thanks Eklund

    *On the Habs and Rangers*

    The names I am hearing are Del Zotto going to Montreal with Diaz and a prospect (e3) returning to NY. The Avalanche also have plenty of interest in Del Z…but are playing it very close to the vest.

  383. Very interesting signs along Connecticut roadways undergoing maintenance, referring to State workers: ‘LET ‘EM LIVE’

  384. With this present D corps, may as well keep MDZ unless Slats is afraid he’ll just lose him as an UFA. No way they give him anything close to McD money.

  385. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _If my colleagues and I were right as often as Eklund is the earth would have a 1/5th of its current population._

    Are you the World Director of Janitorial Services? (;

  386. Kenneth89F94R96A, would you say McIlrath’s truculence is as cromulent as his cromulence is truculent? Or is he just another AHL call-up.

  387. I suppose I should try to get some work done. Snowstorm outside my wide window still tells me to this day, no school, no work.

  388. I’m off for the semi annual finger wave at the man from the Urals.
    As MacArthur said “I’ll be back” or the Tops classic, I’ll be There, the national anthem of Motown imo!

    Let’s try to break a thousand on this thread!

  389. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Norm Merton,
    McIlrath’s truculence surely is as cromulent as his cromulence is truculent. His cromulence and truculence are iskalent. More than the Rangers need cromulence, they need iskalence.

  390. There are few things worse than an insolent iskalent. One thing might be an irascible insolent iskalent.

  391. That’s as may be, but I’ll say this much about McIlrath: there’s a sort of gallant orscopulence to his circumnavigance of the MSG corporance.

  392. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    As long as McIlrath provides iskalence via his truculence and cromulence, then it doesn’t matter that he has no talent. The first thing you learn when you cross the threshold of Rangers Report is that scoring goals and the contribution to scoring goals is irrelevant.

  393. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    McIlrath definitely lacks pussilanamance, however is well stocked with iskalence, the combination of cromulence and truculence.

  394. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Carp
    Thank you for your 1:13 post!!!

    There was some serious lack of attention to detail going on.

  395. Allayouse smarty-pants’ wordplay, if you want to call it that, is as predictable as it is jejune.

  396. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    There seems to be a lot of “grit” being added in htfd. Is it due to lack of grit in the organization or is there going to be a trade with grit leaving and they are trying to preemptively replace it?

  397. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _trade with grit leaving and they are trying to preemptively replace it?_

    They are going to replace grit with cromulence.

  398. The criteria of smartness may vary depending on a culture, but stupidity is universal. Hence,do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with that life experience. !!!!

  399. Rob in Beantown on

    It’s a nice reminder that *McIlrath* is up that I get to see him getting punched in the face every time I click “reload” over the last 36 hours

  400. Gross fake rumor. Downgrade from DZ to Diaz with the added bonus of losing an RFA for a UFA. Not happening.

  401. Ever notice the scariest fighters are not very often good skaters? Top enforcers learn to plant their skates and throw with leverage a la Joey Kocur. BTW, seen a picture of him lately? He had an angelic look as a player, now looks like Bella Lugosi.

  402. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Your daughter must be extremely cromulent. Is she also iskalent and peltinant?

  403. Kenneth, this “cromulence” phenomenon is sweeping the globe, now the food and beverage companies are in play.

    Israel has introduced Cromulatkes,China Cromusung, Italy Cromulatte, Mexico Cromutapis, Greece Cromultakis and in the U.S.Cromucola!

    The archeological folks are all hot and bothered about a recently discover stelle with the inscription, Cromulus was here!

    There is now talk of the Unknown Roman on another hill being the long lost brother of Romulus and Remus, the aforementioned Cromulus. The Empress Carlotta was affectionately known as her Cromulence.

    The last two are the fragrance industry rushing to ship Cromul-essence to the stores for the holidays.

    And finally Mr. Romney is claiming to have been raised in Cromneyville by the lost tribe of Cromtaws!

    More as it happens!

    Kenneth, do you have a Hair Salon, Mr.Kenneth’s, my wig seems to be a little askance since the “fingerhut”!

    Paula Dean has introduced a new southern dish called

  404. Stranger Nation on

    Oh dancing with myself
    Oh dancing with myself
    Well there’s nothing to lose
    And there’s nothing to prove
    I’ll be dancing with myself

  405. You know that feeling you get when you are in a conversation with someone that doesn’t know how to take social cues?

  406. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Ignoring social cues is a characteristic of cromulence. Cromulence is what the Rangers are lacking.

  407. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Carp, did you move the ignore button?_

    If you are incapable of ignoring others without an _ignore button,_ then you lack grit, cromulence, iskalence and peltinance.

  408. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Iskalent > cromulent > truculent > peltinant > gritty > contributing to scoring goals.

  409. Rob in Beantown on

    Carp, didn’t you ban this guy under two of the previous names he used (I can’t even type them anymore without going into moderation)? Can you do it again?

  410. Gravy, now you’ve got it, simply drift away, remembering I did not direct anything your way until you and your fellow escapee from the chum farm started being cute.

    Give it a rest.

    Thank you

  411. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    How do the absent-minded not realize that when they say DNFTT, they are FTT?

  412. 2001, are you referring to moi, is sea chum spreading?

    The problem with insult chess is when you wish to engage be direct so that the recipient knows which direction to cast his lure.

    Rob, what’s your issue?

  413. I did not know what, ilb. I read that he fought Downie (after the latter had knocked out three of his teeth with a crosscheck) because he didn’t want to be hazed.

  414. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _speaks both Ukrainian and Russian fluently?_

    Will that help him contribute to the production and prevention of goals?

    The Rangers need cromulent players rather than multi-lingual players.

  415. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _If love to take chess lessons from you._

    How is a Janitorial Engineer familiar with chess? (;)

  416. I almost never complain about Draft Picks, because I doubt I know enough to complain, but the Skej over Matteau one was nuts.

  417. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I have discovered a formula to determine cromulence.

    Number of times player gets head bashed in to protect teammates
    *X*
    Number of times player takes the body on defense
    *+*
    Number of times player receives Broadway hat from teammates
    *-*
    Circumference of snow angels performed in the defensive zone
    *X*
    Number of times player sacrificed body to block shot
    */*
    Number of games player missed due to injury
    *X*
    Square root of chemistry-building orchestrated in the locker room.

    By using this formula, it is safe to conclude that the Rangers lack the necessary cromulence to win the Stanley Cup.

  418. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    After performing a thorough calculation of the cromulence rating of every player in NHL history, it has been discovered that Brandon Prust is the most cromulent player to ever grace the ice of an NHL rink.

  419. 2001,Rob apologies for assuming, but as I said it’s important to direct your insults to the person you intend. I’m removing your names from my book! ;)

    Sort of like Sauce& Stranger who for some reason insist on being adversarial.

    Every other inch real gentlemen! ;)

  420. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Comnsnse,
    Your cromulent presence is delightful, brutha. (:)

  421. Manny, the Ukrainian people are warm, wonderful people and their women most delightful.

    The current Russian model(Oligarchy) however is a fraudulent democracy, disappearing journalists, beating protestors, raping a great land and putting the “Pussies” in jail!

    Vlad K. ex heavyweight champ will be running for President against the Russian lackey in the next election in the Ukraine.

  422. Carp, what is the post record on a snowy day with no real news, and do wish to see it broken?

    Your stock at LoHud will rise incrementally with every post which creates another marketing opportunity!

    We will lift you up! ;)

  423. Thank you, Cmnsense! I’d have an argument with you about Ukrainian women though, but the chances of me convincing you otherwise are slimmer than convincing you that NY Islanders stink at the moment.

  424. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Vote for Vitali, do it blissfully, not listlessly, make certain it’s officially. I am appealing visually and proud of my dependability. If you do not vote for Vitali, I will banish you to Italy.

  425. 2001, from personal experience with 3 Ukrainian ladies I will attest to their beauty, warmth and caring nature.

    They do not always have the best taste or judgment in companions which I was not.

    I knew 3 who were angels who cared for my aging parents until their passing and whom I’d have been proud to call family.

    They are often very educated but without resources in their own country, mores the pity.

    Did I mention their statuesque beauty? ;)

  426. 2001, I am archiving that disclaimer about the Isles,”at the moment”.

    I am still of sound mind and will stick to my prediction that their path to annual competitiveness will at the least compare with our squad.

    I like Capuano and hope they don’t throw him under the bus to excuse a D that needs help (which is coming in prospects) and goal tending although Nabokov will help if healthy.

  427. 2001, did I emphasize their statuesque beauty, the mere thought of which is electric? ;)

    Carp, I’m doing my best to get this thread to the 10th. floor,let er ride!

  428. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Vitali, I pity thee, low probability, of winning you see.

  429. Stranger Nation on

    One is the loneliest number that you’ll ever do
    Two can be as bad as one
    It’s the loneliest number since the number one

  430. Hey Stranger, what’s your favorite song Michael Jackson performed? Mine is PYT. But my second is Man in the Mirror.

  431. Comn, I really have no idea what you’re talking about. Now, can we both just mind our own business?

  432. Gravy, harken back to your “social cues” comments, who were you addressing?

    I’ll knuckle first, if it were not me you were speaking of ,I apologize.

    How say you?

  433. Oh Graves, observe the other comedian Stranger’s last post.
    Think he’s auditioning for a Rascal’s gig, and at whose expense?

    I don’t mind a dig but be honest about it and no whining when you’re boarded.

    Thank You

  434. Twenty seven below zero this morning, not wind chill, hard to believe its the same state as many of youse guys.

    I Love New York.

  435. Jeez, I turn my back for only a few hours, and I miss out on a whole pile of mental masturbation. This blog needs to be re-entitled: Men With No Lives Other than a Passing Interest in the NY Rangers Hockey Club.

    OK, instantaneous second thoughts on the new blog title: Too cromulent. Une espèce de cromulence from the planet Cromula. Fortunately, our host is just carpulent enough to put up with it.

  436. HEY NORM –

    What about those of us who have an intense “life and death” interest in the fortunes of the New York Rangers? And who says we need to “get a life” just to please you, anyway.

    Norm, could you just move up to ~caring~ about BIG BLUE a little bit, please?

  437. Uh, Robby, take a deep breath, get in the car, go to the library and look up “sense of humor” in the dictionary. I mean, mine sucks, but at least I have one.

  438. Stranger Nation on

    See Dubb – where are we in NY?

    Familiar with the Northeastern part of the Southern Tier in Western NY

  439. Thanks, Ilb, for stepping in between us. Just as I had gotten a hold of his jersey with my left hand.

  440. You go to any international social media site and you will find Russian women by the score, who are tired of the abuse by the men in their own country, and who will sell-out, lock, stock and body, to the highest American male bidder.

    Fine and dandy, however, everytime I come across one in a chess match, almost without exception I find them to be defensive, humorless, and accusatory if you show any kind of gentile interest in the women’s life. So that the expression “two face” resonates with me, with these girls.

    I’m going to nominate Italian and India(n) women as the warmest, most supportive, and accommodating of the men in their lives. And watch out for the Frenchies, especially from Paris. All materialistic and no heart when it comes to dealing with men, just for starters.

  441. Norm, I don’t have a sense of humor, because, for the longest time I have prided myself on having a “dollars of humor.”

  442. And when I say “almost anything”, I’m even willing to rationalize why it is that Reijo Ruotsalainen remains my all-time favorite Ranger. I recognize there will be zero interest in the topic, but inching ever closer to 1,000…

  443. “Big Blue,” if that is the New York Giants, then I mean “Little Blue,” my Rangers. “Go Little Blue!”

  444. C’mon, I can’t pretend to know what you take offense to on any given day. I just know when you do it, you’re “joking”, and when someone else does, they’re offensive.

    So let’s just move on.

  445. Rob in Beantown on

    We rent, but I still have to shovel snow because it’s in our lease that we’re responsible for it. Is that even legally enforceable? Manny?

  446. NORMIE-POO –

    You just like Reijo because you practiced spelling his last name and you are a condescending, intellectual snob!

  447. I, eddie3x, Papa, and a few others who know well who they are, am (and are) herewith rescinding any comments we have made today in the interest of NOT having our (sometimes well-ver) 1,000 comments title broken.

  448. Stranger Nation on

    coos – we need a trade to be announced. Thought grabbing another Black Hawk bouncer would warrant another post.

  449. Wow, those redoubtable New York Yanquis have done it AGAIN, signed yet ANOTHER white-haired, geriatric, 36-year old FA to a contract. When did baseball in the Bronx become a P.C. extension of AARP? I missed the presser.

  450. I don’t think DelZ is going anywhere until well into next year, UNLESS we get back another D man who can play right away, and/or we have decided we’re not going Cup hunting this season.

  451. I love both the Yankee moves today. Its almost like the Steinbrenners left for their vacation early and gave Cashman a few million to make some smart moves.

  452. FLASH: Yanquis sign Don Mattingly to long-term contract so that they can have the world’s first combined 200-year old infield!

  453. Rob in Beantown on

    I’ve driven through there twice SeeeDubbb, both times to go to hockey games in Plattsburgh and Lake Placid. It looks like a really nice town and a gorgeous area of the state. Probably not so nice on days like today though. I’d like to go back maybe in the summer or fall.

  454. Robby, I couldn’t spell “Ruotsalainen” in my dreams (the ones where he spins coming across the blue line) but I do know how to cut and paste. And snobbery, my! Why so bitter for one so young? You can tell Uncle Normy — I’m a good listener.

  455. I tell you what would be “smart” on the Yanquis part = shutting down their farm system and saving the difference, since signing everyone else’s infirm, decrepit and aged rejects is their player personnel acquisition modus operandi, now.

    Can you say “Last in the division in 2014?”

  456. Cooscoos, EddieThree, c’mo-o-o-o-n! One brief hit of your stream-of-consciousness back-and-forth will take us across the line. I can feel it!

  457. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I love both the Yankee moves today. Its almost like the Steinbrenners left for their vacation early and gave Cashman a few million to make some smart moves._

    Mister D, ladies and gentleman, in a nutshell. (:

  458. Coos, don’t worry, this post getting to a 1000 is like Richie getting a hattie in a 8-3 win.

  459. Normie – Sweetie:

    I don’t quite know how to break this to you, but I was in my crib when Pearl Harbor was bombed, and I saw Andy Bathgate and Co. play at the Old Garden for the first time in December of 1954. Merry Xmas young fella.

  460. Ovechkin with 28th goal already this season… but only has 10 assists on the season.

    Would you rather have a guy with 28 goals and 10 assists or a guy with 10 goals and 28 assists?

  461. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Would you rather have a guy with 28 goals and 10 assists or a guy with 10 goals and 28 assists_

    How long will it take any Ranger to reach 38 points? (:

  462. Well Rob, if you ever come through this way again, you better look me up!! and yes days like today do make you question why you live here.

  463. Robby,

    I don’t believe you. Your writing is too immature. Remit genuine writing sample pronto, with correct use of “Gee”, “Swell” and “Boy, Howdy!”

    Or send us a grizzled photo; I demand satisfaction!

  464. Hey, as a Yanquis hater, I LOVE both the Yanquis acquisitions today, too! I swear some of this “new blood” they are dragging in was around to help Stephen Foster write “Camptown Races.”

  465. Olga Folkyerself on

    SeeeDubb- I spent a couple years in Rouse’s Point working and waiting for the Draft to expire.

  466. Ovie still has ZERO even-strength primary assists on the season which began on October 1st. Not good. More selfish than a politician shopping a grab bag among a bunch of defense contractors.

  467. Olga Folkyerself on

    Are you kidding coos? Sather had an eighty million dollar team 10 years ago and still couldn’t make the playoffs.

  468. You known, Norm -talk about immature, when a man makes a statement of fact, and you, in effect, call him a liar, you are going to lose all credibility he was, erstwhile, going to ascribe to you.

    And Norm there is a difference between the words “immaturity” and “enthusiasm”, which you do not seem to demonstrate appreciation for or understanding of.

  469. Olga Folkyerself on

    It takes the top 4 Rangers to equal Ovie’s 27 goals. Who cares about his even-strength primary assists?

  470. All right, all right, Robby, that’s on me. I know you have no sense of humor, and I already admitted mine sucks, as in this case. Bad form on my part.

  471. Olga Folkyerself on

    I wouldn’t suspect it changed much, other than a bunch of the hotels burning down over the last 40 years.

  472. Norm thinks anyone named Robby has to be in high school. Don’t remember Robby Frost and Robbie Alomar?

  473. Olga –

    Just for you I’m going to trash my primary assists tabulations, and start tabulating secondary assists on empty net goals fodder, just to get up to speed with the “Out Crowd.”

  474. And Robby Hope. Though it just be the case that Mr. Bonfire is not using his actual surname.

  475. Stranger Nation on

    See Dubb – thats pristine country up there. Spent a little time at Lake Placid and Iceface Mtn. Usually dont get above Northern Lake George duringa Saratoga weekend in summertime.

    Weather.com was talking bout your clime this morn. That is very nipply

  476. Stranger Nation on

    28 goals in a heartbeat. If Nash had 28 goals and 10 assists, we would be dancing in the streets

  477. Thanks, Cooscoos –

    In fact I am a Robert who has noticed that I can take about five decades off my online “image” just by going the “Robby” route. Yes, it amazes me too, how people can get so locked into their stereotypical/lockjaw perceptions of reality as regards who people are and where they are coming from. If they don’t have a handle on you, their bail-out line is: “You’re a troll,” which they transmit as “Your a troll.” lol.

  478. Rob in Beantown on

    How is 8 days before Christmas and they still haven’t unveiled the sure to be horrors that will be our ATM in the Bronx series -jerseys- sweaters?

  479. Any moment Carp could put an end to this, but when we get this close, we have historically ignored him until the number is done! :) Sorry, Carp.

  480. “Let ‘em all in free and charge them to get out.” That great bon mot sticks in my mind like Elmer’s.

  481. In my limited experience the 1000 mark is only crossed in the wee hours, or around midnight for E3. This is a prime time grander!

  482. Good analogy, Norm. Actually, I am descended from “William The Silent,” understanding no one would ever refer to me as “Robert The Silent.” I am a bit more noisy than William ever was.

    The real difference between William and myself is that no one has quite gotten around to assassinating me yet, though, I understand, some of my detractors have been tempted. Plus, William had a bounty on his head, I just have thinning hair.

  483. on HC Insiders, Kypreos said AV and Sather have different views on MDZ and that he is still in play.

    he also said something about talk of the 70 yr old stepping down next year….. I REALLY hope that one has legs…

  484. Did I read correctly that the season total for hits by Nash is two? Is that correct? I’m flabbergasted.

  485. Slates to Dolan: “Uh, you remember those millions I asked you for for the Reddin thing? I think I need another 20 million or so to get rid of Richards.”

    Doles: “You know, I’ve always liked you, Glennie, but the next 20 million you cost me, you go with it.”

    As the Beach Boys say: ‘Wouldn’t it be Nice…’?

  486. @rangersreport

    So another player with a filthy hit injures an opponent. But keep giving them those 2- and 3-game suspensions. That’ll teach them.

  487. Yup, that’s a stat. Hits are usually miscounted, SeeeDubbbbbbb, but I’m guessing they didn’t miss like 20 so he’s been pretty disengaged physically all season long.

  488. @rangersreport

    In old days, they didn’t call hit-from-behind, so guys didn’t turn, didn’t put selves in that position ’cause they knew they’d get drilled.

  489. “If they don’t have a handle on you, their bail-out line is: ‘You’re a troll,’ which they transmit as ‘Your a troll.’ lol”

    Sr Robert, enough of your intellectual snobbery. There! Hoist by your own retard.

  490. Whenever Nash is in position to record an even-strength, primary asssist, he starts to Rambler. ooohhh!

  491. Gravy, you “don’t understand me most of the time and I should just forget you exist”?

    Just keep on talking so I’ll know what your not thinking,O.K.?

    Trying to get to 1000 and I have two minutes before the attendant comes so…..tell me all you know. ;)

  492. Basketball players underneath are taking hard elbows all the time, but I think the new super hard hockey elbow pads add more danger than they prevent.

  493. In the old days, Bathgate tried to do something about the brutality and was muzzled for his efforts. Is it still the case that players are barred by the NHL from writing about the violence of their peers?

  494. Dolan to Slats: “I want to introduce you to Jim Morrison,”

    “Isn’t he dead?”

    “Precisely.”

  495. Disengaged indeed Mister D. Too bad they don’t keep a stat for failed spin moves, he’d lead the league.

  496. Are you sure Andy B. was outspoken as regards brutality? The unwritten code in those days was for men to act like men, at all times.

    I don’t recall it, but certainly, in the aftermath of the Gordie Howe assassination of Louie Fontinato, it could have happened.

  497. Tom Wilson seems like a really cool bottom 6 guy to have but that was a total BS hit. Whatever he gets, he’s probably earned double unless Shanahan drops the hammer on a kid.

  498. I believe you, Norm. I also think it could be a “gratuitous”-type article, way ahead of its time, in those days before the media was schooled on playing to people’s sympathies and emotions. Now we know where all this P.C. crap started – with Andy Bathgate!

    Jean Ratelle just became my all-time favorite Ranger. lol.

  499. I loved Ratelle, when Reijo was a mere gleam in Mr. Rootz’ eye. I’m on record here as a pansy-arsed Lady Byng-er, though, and Bathgate is a hero of mine. He could fight, and win, but it was not what he wanted in the sport.

  500. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    congratulations to everyone on this telethon. didn’t raise any $$$$, but did go over 1000!!!!