Flames at Rangers tonight (7 p.m.) … pre-game notes

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Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

NEW YORK RANGERS vs. CALGARY FLAMES
Sunday, Dec. 15, 7:00 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 15-17-1 (31 pts)
Flames: 13-15-4 (30 pts)

TONIGHT’S GAME
The Rangers will face-off against the Calgary Flames at Madison Square Garden (7:00p.m. — TV: MSG Network; Radio: Bloomberg Radio), as they continue their franchise record nine-game homestand. The Blueshirts rank sixth in the Metropolitan Division standings, and 12th in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 15-17-1 (31 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Columbus Blue Jackets, 4-2, on Thursday and are now 0-3-1 on their homestand. The Blueshirts are tied for fourth in the conference and 11th in the NHL, in ROW (15). The Flames enter the contest with a 13-15-4 (30 pts) record to rank 13th in the Western Conference, and have won five of their last seven games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Pittsburgh Penguins on Wednesday, Dec. 18, at Madison Square Garden (8:00 p.m.).

RANGERS vs. FLAMES:
All-Time: 39-53-15-0 overall (26-24-5-0 at home; 12-29-10-0 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the first of two meetings this season, and the first and only meeting at Madison Square Garden.
Last Season: Did not play. In 2011-12, New York was 1-0-0 overall (0-0-0 at home; 1-0-0 on the road), following a 3-2 overtime win on Oct. 20, 2011 at Scotiabank Saddledome. The Rangers’ power play was 1-2 (50.0%), while the penalty kill tallied a shorthanded goal in the contest. Ryan McDonagh notched his first career overtime, game-winning goal with less than 0:02 remaining in the extra frame, while Dan Girardi, Brian Boyle, Brad Richards, and Derek Stepan each tallied an assist. Henrik Lundqvist made 33 saves in the win.
The Blueshirts enter the contest with a two-game winning streak against the Flames.
The Rangers and Flames have been separated by two or fewer goals in 10 of their last 12 meetings (7-3-0-0 when separated by two goals), with seven of those contests being decided by one-goal (6-1-0-0 when separated by one goal)
The Blueshirts won their last meeting against the Flames at Madison Square Garden with a 2-1 victory on Nov. 22, 2010.
New York is 5-9-1 at home; Calgary is 7-8-1 on the road.
New York is 4-8-0 vs. Western Conference opponents; Calgary is 7-3-2 vs. Eastern Conference opponents.

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. FLAMES: Henrik Lundqvist – 4 GP, 2-2-0, 2.70 GAA; Rick Nash – 34 GP, 9-14–23; Brad Richards – 17 GP, 8-11–19; Taylor Pyatt – 34 GP, 6-10–16; Dan Girardi – 5 GP, 2-3–5.

SPECIAL TEAMS: 
New York is tied for first in the league with three goals in 5-on-3 situations.
The Rangers’ power play is 6-26 (23.1%) in the last nine games.
The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in 13 of the last 16 games (36-39, 92.3% over the span).
Power Play: The Rangers were 0-3 (6:00) on Thursday vs. Columbus. New York ranks 14th in the NHL overall (20-108, 18.5%), and 25th at home (7-51, 13.7%). The Rangers are 3-10 (4:24) in five-on-three situations (last – 11/25 at TBL), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read); 11/19 vs. BOS (Paille).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 2-2 (2:03) on Thursday vs. Columbus. New York ranks seventh in the NHL overall (86-100, 86.0%), and 10th at home (35-41, 85.4%). The Rangers are 2-3 (2:49) in three-on-five situations (last – 11/4 vs. ANA), and 2-4 (1:08) when three-on-four (last – 12/7 vs. NJD). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York tallied one goal in three four-on-four situations (5:57) on Thursday vs. Columbus, and are now -1 in 32 four-on-four situations (48:50) this season. Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard); 12/12 vs. CBJ (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (4): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes); 12/8 vs. WSH (Grabovski, PS).

RINGMASTERS: The Rangers have won 162-293 faceoffs (55.3%) in the last five games, including a season-high, 41 faceoff wins (41-64, 64%), in a 3-1 victory on Dec. 5 at Buffalo. New York won 39-63 faceoffs (62%) on Thursday vs. Columbus, led by Derek Stepan’s game-high, 14 faceoff wins (14-25, 56%). Brian Boyle also won 10-11 faceoffs (91%) in the contest, while Dominic Moore won all seven of his faceoffs.

BROADWAY DEBUT: Rangers’ defenseman Dylan McIlrath was credited with one hit in 8:55 of ice time while skating in his NHL debut on Thursday against Columbus at Madison Square Garden. He became the second Blueshirt to make his NHL debut this season, along with forward Jesper Fast in the season opener on Oct. 3, 2013 at Phoenix. McIlrath was originally selected by the Rangers as a first round choice, 10th overall, in the 2010 NHL Entry Draft.

MOVING ON UP: Dan Girardi notched his second goal of the season on Thursday against Columbus, and is now tied for second among Rangers defensemen with seven points this season. The game was his 521st career NHL appearance, passing Jeff Beukeboom for 27th – and ninth among defensemen – on the Rangers’ all-time games played list.

FAST START: The Rangers are tied for seventh in the NHL with a 14-2-1 record (.824 win%) when tallying the game’s first goal this season. The Blueshirts have opened the game’s scoring in seven of the last 12 contests.

MILESTONES IN SIGHT:
Derek Stepan – 1 assist from 100th NHL career.
Mats Zuccarello – 1 game from 100th NHL career.
Derick Brassard – 6 points from 200th NHL career.
Michael Del Zotto – 9 assists from 100th NHL career.

INJURIES (63 Man-Games Lost):
Marc Staal (IR – concussion on 12/7, out indefinitely) – 3
Ryan Callahan (IR – sprained MCL on 12/10, 4 weeks) – 1
Derick Brassard (lower-body injury on 12/10, day-to-day) – 1

RECENT TRANSACTIONS:
Dec. 11 – Recalled defenseman Dylan McIlrath from Hartford (AHL)|
Dec. 9 – Recalled forward Arron Asham from Hartford (AHL), and assigned forward J.T. Miller to Hartford
Dec. 6 – Acquired forward Kyle Beach from Chicago in exchange for forward Brandon Mashinter
Dec. 6 – Recalled forward J.T. Miller from Hartford (AHL)

 

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  1. Larry Brooks nails it.

    “if there is a vision propelling this franchise, it is unclear exactly what it may be.
    That is an indictment that can be levied against general manager Glen Sather, whose team includes 11 players in no more than their second season in NY and only to of whom, (Kreider and Nash) seem assured of being here for the third”. *BINGO*

    “If Bill Torrey didn’t have a job for life with the Islanders, how can Sather with the Rangers?” *DOUBLE BINGO*

  2. cw, thanks for the link…and that coming from a critic who constantly ended up in Torts’ dog house. Brooksie is piling it on, but enough of a grain of truth in it to keep us interested in what he writes today. This is how I felt from the day Sather dismissed Torts, but the reality is more complicated.

  3. More Brooks:

    “Was it truly such a good idea for AV not to have watched any video of last season during the 12 weeks between the time he was hired and the start of training camp. Because if the personnel on hand isn’t compatible with his vision, shouldn’t he have known that before the start?” *TRIPLE BINGO WITH A BONGO*

  4. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    James doe run is moron. He hire schrather who no good. Even Irander team better readership in front office. Is joke.

  5. Comment from a Canucks fan after last nights Nucks/Bruins game

    “The Bruins were taking over in the second period and just before Torts blew his top I was thinking that the Canucks were about to get steamrolled. *If AV was still coach, he wouldn’t have said a thing and left it to the veteran group to figure it out. The result of that game would have been very different”*

    That’s exactly how things are with NYR.

  6. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I say “mr schratha – come sit in Wang office” then I say “you rousey GM – you go on enemproyment rine chop chop”

  7. Herro Mista Edie, rousy day in city, rots of sroppy srush and puddwers aww over prace. You rucky to be not here.

  8. Why is Ken Gernander still not fired? What is the point of keeping an incompetent coach to develop our prospects. Hartford offense looks like is getting worse and worse every season:

    Yogan 6 points in 22 games
    Hrivik 10 points in 24 games
    Lindberg 11 points in 26 games
    Nicholls 0 points in 4 games
    St. Croix 0 points in 9 games

  9. Yes. The Wolf Pack have been getting killed. But when they fired Tort the entire Organization decided to play a different style. Everyone has to adjust now.

  10. “The Rangers have gone from having a maniacal control freak and his equally maniacal assistant (in professional temperament, that is) in their ears and faces to a seemingly detached coach who leaves much of the work to the players themselves.

    I asked one player this week whether he had been shown video relating to a specific play on the ice. The response, not offered as a criticism but in a matter-of-fact manner, was, “He says what he says and then expects you to figure it out.””

    I had a feeling AV could be an average at best coach who just had a very good team in Vancouver. We probably should have went with somebody “in between” instead of polar opposite someone like Ruff. But that would make too much sense as Sather always likes to go to the polar opposite option.

  11. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I have idea how to make prayers pray betta. You yerrr at them till brew in the face. Then, no egg role. You say rissen or erse.

  12. Need to right fih-ya under prayers. Tew them, no more rousy pray. Try betta, pray betta or reave team , go home. ChopChop!

  13. “Yes. The Wolf Pack have been getting killed. But when they fired Tort the entire Organization decided to play a different style. Everyone has to adjust now”

    if they want a different style in Hartford they should have hired a new coach. Gernander is so bad, he wasn’t even a consideration to replace Tortorella, so what is the point of keeping him around.

  14. Arraign vinhay, not rucky to work for gren srather. He need to fry coup and reave to room for new rousy job maybe rike someprace in Ros Rangewos, Carifornwa.

  15. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Mista papa – why you no rike schratha? He win a rot of cups with oyrers. Gren is fearress reader. He stop rue zing soon. He need time. Srow down. Ros angerres wasn’t built in day

  16. Mista Edie,.No… Roosing not srow down, I not srow down too. Shratha rost is space. Too owd. Too razy. Too rittle pee-pee. Team need new reader, fearwess, one have rarge pee-pee, rots of bawws.

  17. I figure I’ll just say this: I think the whole Asian accent voice thing, although quite dated in its comedic effect, _might_ be easily construed as offensive by some people.

  18. Did Coach Vigneault decide to make tonight’s Rangers’ game another “optional” for the players?

  19. Stranger Nation on

    Pregame Checklist:

    Backup Goalie:
    Ex-Ranger(s):
    Ranger ‘killer':
    Rookie with no goals on season:
    Rookie playing first game:
    Henk beat high glove side:
    4th liner with no goals to score:
    Stralman beat standing still:
    MEZ caught up ice:
    PP with no shots:
    Pullout offides:
    Pullout Ozone penalty:

  20. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Orr @ 9:12, cw @ 7:33, awesome posts!!!!!

    I can understand that it takes a while for the ‘paid beat reporting group’ to come down on anyone. They need to have the evidence OR it could effect too many people’s opinions if they are wrong as well as their own job. So, it has to take some hard evidence, then conviction to start to let loose.

    THANK YOU, BROOKS, for being the first. Hope others chime in and the fan base, the apathetic, seeing-eye-dog, fan base, begins to realize how bad this really is.

    I believe we are here, at the beginning of the media turning on the worst GM we have ever had. Where it leads is anyone’s guess, but the hopeful pot of gold at the end of the road will be the retiring/firing/release/off to pasture with the old boy. The game has moved by him.

  21. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    The Rangers were one of the luckiest teams in 2011-12. That luck was not *sustainable*.

  22. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Dolan will have ushers at the entrance to every row. Especially the NEW, ridiculously long, highly uncomfortable, 24 seat rows in the world’s most confused, quietest and most famous arena.

    Announcements will be made. Both prior and during the game.

    Dolan: “ANYONE FOUND CARRYING ANY POSTERS OR COMMENCING ANY CHANTS, RANTS, OR THE LIKE WITH RESPECT TO MR. GLEN SATHER, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ARENA.”

  23. the style the Rangers played under Torts is a great regular season style. that is being tough to play against, blocking shots, and grinding teams below the goal line. out intensity them if you will. problem is, the playoffs everybody brings the intensity ever game. skill and size wins in the playoffs. what AV is attempting to do will bode well come playoff time, if they make it. the Rangers have a better chance at winning the cup with AV’s style then they did with Torts style. just a question of if, and when the players grasp it, and if the right players are here, or can Sather get them here.

  24. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Papa, you’re right!! And thanks for posting the link again!!

    Anyone reading this blog can see 3 local, long-time reporters that are of the opinion that something smells in Rangerland, finally, and it’s all at the top!!!! Many of us have been saying it for months, but good to see the ‘beat guys’ are writing about it.

    It’s time for the drumbeats to get louder and louder. The top sections will, towards the end of this home stand, start getting vocal. Just a feeling if the media keeps it up! But, until the people in, you know, the seats downstairs, that are texting their friends, playing games on their cell during our games, and, in general, distracted, get the chance to read an article or five, this movement will take a while to catch on.

    It’s time, folks. We are a barren franchise. Years of inept drafts, awful FA signings, mostly pathetic, one-sided trades, poor coaching on all levels, depth, size, playable toughness, having NO identity.

    Sather has worked his magic. Time for him to go.

  25. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Bull Dog, you have been watching hockey for quite a while. Does the system fit the personnel?

  26. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _the style the Rangers played under Torts is a great regular season style. that is being tough to play against, blocking shots, and grinding teams below the goal line. out intensity them if you will. problem is, the playoffs everybody brings the intensity ever game. skill and size wins in the playoffs._

    bull dog line,
    Great post.

  27. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    “Luck’ must mean going onto the ice, for any game, against any opponent and feeling you will win. ‘Luck’ must mean that if another team tries to ride over one of our players, they will feel instant retribution. “Luck’ must mean a thoughtful system in which the team plays a certain style that benefits the players of the team, in this case, the shots are kept down, blocked, and the goalie, seeing less ‘quality’ shots, is able to stop a greater percentage, so the team can win.

    Gee, Chicago was lucky last year, LA, the year before, Boston…………..’lucky teams’. ………..

  28. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Matty,
    Incorrect. The Kings weren’t notably lucky in 2011-12.

  29. bull dog is right provided AV can convince his players they’re good enough to play that sort of winning hockey — they sure don’t look convinced yet! Lundqvist, of course, has to kick in most of all.

  30. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _bull dog is right provided AV can convince his players_

    Provided AV is given the talent by Sather to employ his system. If Hank turns out to be an average goalie that was aided by the team defense and defense-first systems of Renney and Torts, then the system of AV will not have a chance of success.

  31. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Mista manny – i aporogize if I offend arr of you. Comerdy in eyes of behorder. It make me raff. If you offend me, I raff weary hawd. But, me no do no more. I say onry one more ting –

    Happy horiday

  32. Matty,
    not yet, and I believe a big upgrade in needed on D. of the 5 regulars that are playing now, I think only 1 is capable of playing AV’s way. up front they need more size and toughness. playable toughness if you will. I think the skill upfront is close.

  33. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Moreover, In terms of being dated….I have *never* seen in print anywhere, anything along the lines of our inane Asian language spoofing….

    But I do aporogize

  34. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Luck is when opportunity meets preparation – rangers have an opportunity at the start of every game…and I’ll direct this at the 8,000,000 goalie…..it’s the other half of that equation that needs remedying…

  35. Eddie, the line about luck is one of my favorites.
    These guys have had opportunities so they must just not be prepared.

  36. In real life, I am the most politically correct person on this site.

    But that, Eddie 3, was hilarious.

    Brog poreese! That’s gold I tell ya, GOLD!

  37. My definition of luck is me actually watching a Ranger win and at the same time I have the house to myself with both dogs asleep

    If that’s so wrong, then I don’t want to be right

  38. From the numerous comments on this thread it appears that many have read the Brooks column where he essentially calls for Sather’s ouster.

    Most Ranger fans myself among them have been asking every area writer/blogger to do like wise for some time.

    The tepid response has generally been, “been there done that it hasn’t helped”.

    Perhaps it is time to do it again in the strongest language possible. One of the best tools would be an open letter written as a blog/column indicating a poll regarding what most consider the biggest problem with the organization.

    It could also be noted that many season ticket holders have expressed these views and are prepared to begin the chanting or take more extreme measures like picketing or staging a ticket/merchandise burning episode in front of the Garden and publicizing it prior to a game.

    Subtlety does not resonate will the “son in chief”, does anyone believe that continuing passive resistance and complaints only will work?

    Time for Ranger fans, writers, bloggers, posters et al to stand up and be counted.

    Or at least booing the product and refusing to purchase any overpriced tickets and merchandise!

  39. Good afternoon, ‘heads!

    Atta boy, Gravy!

    Brooks and Leonard aren’t the first ones to do it. Carp’s done many times in the past, other people have. It’ll take a little more than media to get Sather removed. Lost revenue is a start. Not going to happen in NY so long as they have big corporations willing to pay for tickets without any knowledge on whether this game is played on the ice or on grass.

  40. Fire SATHER.

    And if that’s not going to happen or in addition to, also fire AV.

    He may not suck as a coach, but he sucks as a NYR coach.

    Bring in MESSIER and watch this sinking ship come back to the surface.

    I’m serious.

  41. AV’s a clueless clown if he thinks anyone on this team is going to lead the group out of this mess.

    Who’s going to do it?
    – Callahan? He’s injured.
    – Henrik? Too busy letting pucks fly by him.
    – Richards? Can hardly make it from blue line to blue line.

    So now it’s up to AV to adapt his ridiculous hands-off approach and get into peoples faces OR (and this is the better option since a tiger usually doesn’t change his stripes) … fire the clown and bring in a hardass like MESSIER.

  42. What do you guys think would happen to court jesters like POULET if MESSIER comes in?

    POULET would have been assigned to the EHL the first week.

  43. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    So I was wondering, last week orpik was labeled by some here a “punk” because after a hit he was challenged to a fight and didn’t, since then I have seen hagelin and Eller be challenged to a fight after a slew foot and hit respectively and both decline…using orpik logic they are “punks” right?

    Like I said, a league full of “punks”, why do some of you bother watching!?

  44. This franchise had a plan. And it was sticking to it very well, and even better when Sather wasn’t the one making day to day decisions. And once he realized people thought he wasn’t in control any more, he got beyond upset. Does anyone remember someone ( I thing it was Strang) asking him if he’d be continuing to carry all his responsibilities next year? He sounded very offended and answered:” What do you mean, all responsibilities? I’m not going to sharpen the skates, I gave it up long time ago”. I think firing Torts was, at least partially, a move to show that he is back to making all the decisions,big and small. I remember it well because I thought at that moment that it is going to hurt the team.

  45. I was watching the Dallas Stars highlights from last night.

    Man, Seguin and Benn are good.

    We don’t have a player, with the exception of THE Kreider, that even come close to sniffing their talent.

    We have court jesters like POULET patrolling the ice. He’s an Eric Christensen #2 (actually, I much prefer Christensen)

  46. I can’t believe that after everything that hash as happened the past few years that were not even gonna make the playoffs in 2014

  47. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    A few things…
    ILB,
    I agree with you re sather

    Miami
    So would I!!

    I’d trade OPG btw!

  48. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Does anyone this richter was a top 3 goalie back in ’94?

    He was top 10 IMHO, but I’m not even sure he was top 5…thoughts?

  49. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _even better when Sather wasn’t the one making day to day decision_

    How do you know when Sather was and was not making the day-to-day decision?

    _Everybody’s a dreamer_

  50. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Most love AV’s coaching style when we are playing smaller less physical teams and winning 4-1, but everyone hates it when we play big physical teams and lose 3-1…hmmm

  51. That sounds like it will bode well if this team ever makes the playoffs, Wick! All playoff teams are small, non-physical teams and the scores are usually 7-3 or similar. (S)

  52. Good afternoon ‘heads!
    Prepare for a rough sports day….Giants, Rangers….ugh.
    Sire Father!
    Carp for GM!

  53. ilb said they’re playing on grass. Tug McGraw was asked if he preferred grass or artificial turf, and he answered: “I don’t know, I’ve never smoked artificial turf.”

  54. Stranger Nation on

    _Luck is the residue of design_

    or my personal fav

    _I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it_

    First one is on the coach (and GM) and the second on the players (and maybe GM and coach ;-)

  55. Kenneth, why does it make a difference who actually makes the decision?

    When you have the title the responsibility goes with it.

    If the ship sinks the Captain goes down with it.

    Unless of course you’re on an Italian cruise liner! lol

  56. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I think zetterbergs statement at the beginning of 24/7 was very telling about the rangers “professional athletes need pressure to perform well”

    Perhaps there needs to be some intentional “pressure” added to the rangers…

  57. Stranger Nation on

    Was on the fence about Messier given lack of bench coaching experience. Seeing what has happened in Colorado has to open some eyes. I realize Roy coached in juniors (*for 7 years*), but he has these guys motivated to play, albeit some very talented players.

    DO NOT underestimate the need to motivate the pro player in a grueling physical sport that has a long season and lots of aches and pains along the way. Not saying Mess was the answer, but the emotional component needs to be part of the coaching mix.

    AV seems to be an impersonal motivator who uses the media as his soapbox. He doesn’t have the arsenal he had in Van and using the media to motivate player usually ends very badly in this town.

  58. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Kenneth, why does it make a difference who actually makes the decision?_

    Sather should be fired.

    It is laughable to claim that the franchise had direction under Sather, then lost direction (under the guide of some underling), then lost direction again under Sather.

  59. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Did you guys read zipay’s article?

    http://t.co/3RSgzS0Qcg

    The back up goalie stats made me think of babcocks comments on 24/7 about riding gustavsson instead of Howard (which is exactly what I think we should do with talbot).

    Fwiw I think AV would rather be playing talbot as well.

  60. His lieutenants did not want to fire Tortorella or bring back Richards … they had taken control of the day-to-day stuff, especially when he was sick. Then Sather completely over-ruled them and took complete control again.

    Good afternoon, Sally!

  61. Stranger Nation on

    At practice:
    Chris Kreider-Derek Stepan-Rick Nash
    (had success v. Van…their last home win)
    Brad Richards – Derick Brassard – Mats Zuccarello
    (better score because they will let in one or two)
    Carl Hagelin – Brian Boyle – Taylor Pyatt/Arron Asham
    (please no Gomer Pylon)
    Benoit Pouliot – Dominic Moore – Derek Dorsett
    (Pullout? Really? WTB?)
    Ryan McDonagh – Anton Stralman
    (McD earns his pay on this one – put them with 1st line please)
    Michael Del Zotto – Dan Girardi
    (MEZ + OPG = danger)
    John Moore – Dylan McIlrath
    (need to hit em hard and hit em early)

  62. Za'rat "TheOtherGuy'sGreed" Jones on

    Shame on us! We are the “WE” that the league speaks of. It is fans like us who must set the example! Raise the bar! Stare danger in the eye!

    We MUST go and cheer! The boys look for us to cheer! Not boo! Cheer!

    The Rangers are not failing us. It is we who are failing them! I don’t see enough posters here booing us, the “WE” that they speak of.

    We will get this ship in order starting now! When I see posters talking negative, I will take the initiative and BOO THEM! I will lead by example! I will light the beacon of hope!

    To those of you who think we will lose tonight simply by showing up to the game, consider this your first BOOO!!

    We need strong fans! Not weak. Strong!

    Let’s Go Rangers!

    Honestly, how can we lose to Calgary anyway? They stink.

    All we need is a hungry goalie! We overstuffed the last one we had.

    Time to get back to being The Worlds Most Famous Fans!

  63. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _His lieutenants did not want to fire Tortorella or bring back Richards … they had taken control of the day-to-day stuff, especially when he was sick. Then Sather completely over-ruled them and took complete control again._

    Not that I don’t believe you, but is there any documentation of that anywhere on the internet?

  64. I really wish someone would get a camera in front of Sather one day and just ask him point blank –

    “You’ve accomplished almost nothing in 25 years since the Oilers won a Cup in 1990. Do you think it’s fair for a man to still be living off a reputation made on the backs of players he got lucky with a generation ago?”

  65. I hated the idea of Messier coaching because he’s Messier and because he has no experience. (*NO* experience). But I admit I was probably wrong. And I like a lot of what AV does. But his in game management and lack of pressure on this awful team is almost embarrassing.

  66. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    bull dog line,
    How long have you been a fan of hockey? Your knowledge is impeccable.

  67. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Manny
    It’s absolute pansification!!! I get the Thornton hearing, should have been way more games IMHO.

    The engelland hearing is just stupid IMHO…where will the line be drawn? Next suspension in NHL is Dan Boyle 7 games because he shot the puck on net and it ended up being a high shot and it hit a guy in the head.

    I mean engelland didn’t target the head, just ended happening just like a rising shot might hit someone in the head.

    With the engelland suspension hearing the nhl is really starting to knee jerk and it isn’t good.

  68. Yup, Larry Brooks nailed it today.

    But…Brooks was one of the few cheerleaders who couldn’t wait to get Tortorella out of here…

    How about he admits he was wrong about Tortorella instead of always sounding like a know-it-all jerk?

  69. _Not that I don’t believe you, but is there any documentation of that anywhere on the internet?_

    I’m pretty sure one of the Rangers’ beat guys wrote about it on the internet.

  70. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I’m pretty sure one of the Rangers’ beat guys wrote about it on the internet_

    Pretty sure isn’t certain. Not his illness, rather his surrender of control to underlings.

  71. Wild… I’m in Anchorage.

    hers a morning pic of yesterdays damage………..

    [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2dihavp.jpg[/IMG]

  72. (Not that I’m not surprised he’s going in person, but I’m not upset by it at all. His elbow was very not tucked and he blasted a player (I like) in the head. Maybe if Shanahan stops with the “take a long weekend” suspensions, things will change.)

  73. _Pretty sure isn’t certain. Not his illness, rather his surrender of control to underlings._

    You’re right. I’m certain one of the Rangers’ beat guys has posted that exact scenario on the internet.

  74. “The Rangers have gone from having a maniacal control freak and his equally maniacal assistant (in professional temperament, that is) in their ears and faces to a seemingly detached coach who leaves much of the work to the players themselves.”

    That should read:

    “I was wrong about John. Maybe if I just focused on the game and the results, I would have seen all the good he did for the franchise”

  75. Get out. Really!? You not only keep us up to date on the Wolf Pack but you hang with awesome ex-Rangers.

    Tomb = Coolest.

    Tomb > Everyone Else

  76. the league wants this stuff to happen, thats why the suspensions are always lacking. 15 games for what Thornton did? even after the Bertuzzi incident. that tells you all you need to know.

  77. leetchhalloffame on

    Even though Sather will still be here who thinks AV survives the majority of his 5 year deal? Not I.

  78. AV will be here all year…

    the Rangers will probably squeak into the playoffs. they cant play this bad much longer …

  79. And that’s why England did what he did against Detroit last night. 15 Games for sucker punching a guy, that means England will get 3, 4 maximum. These Penguin clowns have a guy who missed an entire year due to a concussion, Neal got suspended for kneeing. Orpik was carried off the ice and they continue playing like Cook. Amazing.

  80. No punishment. The players, when they are suspended forfeit their pay, big deal, today it means nothing. They spend more on a team dinner.

  81. Jlone2Bubblehead on

    Carp!

    I think the boys in blue turn it around on bad ice today! I just watched SU vs SJ @ MSG end. Phew amazing how quickly they can go from wood to ice….

    When is the rink opened up to the players for warmups prior to the game? I was just curious as to how long the ice crew has to work with.

  82. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _You’re right. I’m certain one of the Rangers’ beat guys has posted that exact scenario on the internet._

    Link?

  83. I think the players forfeit a ton of money and the penalties doled out by the NHL are pretty sever.

    James Neal lost $112K.

  84. That’s a LOT of money. No other league hits their players with those kind of fines. And no other league uses the money so well to assist retired veteran NHL players.

  85. Excerpt from Larry Brooks’ column: Two immediate items of utmost importance: the futures of pending free agents Ryan Callahan and Dan Girardi.
    Within the next three months, Sather must determine whether the Rangers are going to be able and willing to sign their captain and their first-pair right defensemen to contract extensions. Neither has played up to expectations and both will command lucrative deals in a market where demand will exceed supply and dollars will be plentiful within a rising cap. If the Rangers aren’t able to sign them to extensions before the March 5 deadline, the team must be willing to trade both as rental properties in exchange for draft picks and prospects, in order to reload for a run at a Cup rather than keeping them for the playoffs then allowing them to leave scot-free.
    Thoughts anyone?

  86. Manny, it’s a lot of money, agree. On the other hand how does one put a price tag on a well being of another individual and offending players action. Outs all a facade to make the league look as if they are concerned and that type of play will not be tolerated. Thornton, in my opinion should have been suspended indefinitely. Does any one remember how Ulf Samuelson was sucker-punched, or how Jeff Beukeboom’s career ended?

  87. Remember when we thought the Rangers were a first line center away from being a serious contender?

    Remember when we brought in Richards to address the need?

    Remember how Richards was on the fourth line only months into his career as a Ranger and became a monumental inconsistent, & slow disappointment?

    If you want to blame anyone for the demise of the Rangers over the past few years, it’s Brad Richards. He is the reason why Torts was fired, IMO. He should be bought out without question. The organization needs to bite the bullet here…

  88. Doodie Machetto on

    Who wants tickets for tonight?

    Face value of pair is $160, I will sell for half price. Section 208, Row 2(considered a premium row for expanded leg room). Seats 2 and 3.

    E-mail me at dmachetto@yahoo.com if you are interested.

  89. Brad definitely needs to go. I am sure it affects other players.

    Defense first? ya right. Its like a permanent penalty when brad is on the ice…. except on power plays. He has been looking pretty stationary and bad on there lately too….

  90. Nice to see you around Doodie. Even if it is only to spam us and sell tickets. I myself love spamming people.

    Well said, NYR

  91. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Um, I’ve written that._

    I did not know that you had written that prior to today.

  92. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Does anyone think McGrattan challenges McIlrath tonight?_

    No.

  93. losing money hurts the player, not the team. games hurt the team. suspend thornton for the season, hurt the team. give Neal 10 games, hurts the team, the league likes the side show. not only should have thornton been suspended, so should have the coach.

  94. Stranger Nation on

    NYR FAN – be careful…Richards is our leading scorer, so he must be our best player according to some ‘heads

    *WILBURRRRR!!!*

  95. Stranger Nation on

    Also add to the mix that Richards’ presence somehow gave Slats the impression he could trade not one, but *TWO* young centers for a scoring forward.

    Blech…

  96. Richards being the leading scorer is all the more reason to start the rebuild.

    It might start with Callahan and Girardi for picks. Then putting Richards in the stable. Then saying goodbye to losers like D. Moore, Poulet McNugget, and Pyatt.

    They need to make a serious play for Paul Stastny.

  97. bull dog, did you read Brooksie’s article today?

    “If the Rangers aren’t able to sign them to extensions before the March 5 deadline, the team must be willing to trade both as rental properties in exchange for draft picks and prospects, in order to reload for a run at a Cup rather than keeping them for the playoffs then allowing them to leave scot-free.”

    Do you believe this team is close to being a contender? Firing Torts in the summer sure seems like a rebuild. This team has NO identity.

  98. Kenneth, Your assertive comments are commendable and mainly on point, but perhaps you are so intent on reacting you fail to see the pov of someone’s post.

    E.G., earlier in this thread I posted a response to a comment of yours about Sather making decisions vs underlings.

    I note that it doesn’t make any difference who made a decision whether Sather or his subordinates.

    Since the man on the top is ultimately responsible, both the good or bad falls on leadership.

    Carp, has essentially said the same thing in his post and you insist on questioning his veracity as well.

    He has regularly criticized the organization’s love affair with Sather, and my only complaint as it were is area writers should do it more regularly.

    Change will only occur with a demand and that demand can be fueled by writers, bloggers and fans.

  99. Football is too violent. NFL needs some discipline. Some NHL style discipline. Yea. That’s the ticket.

  100. reload Brooks said. very different from rebuild. this team currently has on it,
    Stepan, Kreider, Zuuc,, Brassard, Nash, McD, MDZ, Moore, Hagelin, and Big Mac currently on the roster. with Miller on the way, and Fast, Lindberg, and Kristo as hopefuls. this is not an old team! you do not rebuild when your team is at this stage!
    and yes, I think this team is close to competing. probably 2 or 3 players a way. you don’t give your goalie 8 yrs, and then rebuild.

  101. It is only a few first line players away, and has been for some time. How to get those?

    and that assumes Girardi and Callahan don’t turn into broken-down has-beens and that Staal can stay somewhat healthy. A lot changes if those guys have to be replaced.

  102. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _earlier in this thread I posted a response to a comment of yours about Sather making decisions vs underlings._

    The ultimate responsibility falls on the general manager.

  103. Bull dog, I offered a couple of weeks ago after the Bruins game, if they put Chara, Lucic, Thornton and a legitimate a #1 center with size on the Rangers, we’re better than the Bruins.

    That’s a big ask, to add players of that caliber. Even if we did, Is this team to still to weak in its complimentary players?

    Also, are our prospects are drawing much attention from other organizations? or are they considered to be more of the same mold – smallish, non physical, non scoring players Ranger scouts seem to find and draft consistently?

  104. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _It is only a few first line players away, and has been for some time. How to get those_

    They are few top 6 forwards and a few D away. The team has only one reliable D.

  105. Carp,
    I would trade Girardi today ,if I could, but it would not be for draft picks. Girardi looks like a product of Torts’s system. I also don’t think they are a couple of 1st line players away. I think they are a few angry Dmen, 1 good offensive Dman away. as well as 1 or 2 angry forwards who can play a bit. I don’t think they are that far away.

  106. Bull Dog, who of the group you mention is a proven above average player and would be competed for in either a trade or FA situation?

    IMO, the only proven players likely to draw competitive bidding would be McDonagh, Kreider too soon,Stepan a possibility.

    Nash and Lundqvist out of the question based on money and injury concerns.

    Do you actually believe this constitutes a minor surgical procedure or radical surgery?

    You also mentioned several minor leaguers which is also a puzzlement since those brought here have shown little and any others are currently in the mystery category.

  107. be careful there Papa,
    you may insult the Boyle fans by saying there complimentary players are weak.

  108. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Staal is done. He will join Sauer I’m afraid. Good career. In his prime, Staal was as good a “shut down the opposing forward” D man as there was….scored some big playoff goals too….but he’s done. Callahan is breaking down an awful lot last 4 years. I’d let him go….Girardi, I’d keep, but would break any bank to do so….Ritchie must be bought out…Pyatt, Boyle, Poo-yo – see ya later thanks for whatever it was you did….

  109. Comnsnse,
    I get what you are saying. all of them would be competed for as UFA’s. just wait till you see what Giradi gets.
    I mentioned only one minor leaguer on the way ( Miller), the other guys I called hopefuls.

  110. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Get rid of the dead useless weight..at least the young kids would play with, you’d assume, some passion and energy….if they lose they lose….at least they’ll be trying.

  111. Well, I think Girardi could play on any of the other 29 teams’ top fours. Any of them. I think the Rangers have plenty of second-liners and bottom-six guys, too. Could their fourth line be better? of course it could. That’s not the issue, IMO.

    Their issue is too many second- and third-liners playing first-line minutes … and people being surprised when they don’t produce enough offense.

  112. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    It should be in the 70’s

    How arr you mista papa? Hope are is werr with you and your rady!!!

  113. Carp, Kreider is an NHL player, is he still a prospect? .

    Miller, needs to score or he’s another Boyle type. Kristo, maybe a PA Parentuea type?

  114. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Papa – miller has much better offensive upside than Boyle. You put Boyle in the AHL and he still won’t score 5 goals. His play has regressed considerably since the Neil concussion shot during 2012 Senator series…

    Stepan has really sucked this year too…

  115. Mista Edrie, footbarr to viorent. Watch Nutcracker with my rittle sweet grandawter. Drink rots of egg nog.

  116. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I think you have to give the kids a shot if this season doesn’t start turning around soon,..and I don’t mean wins and losses,,,, I mean passionate inspired play…something that’s been sorely lacking for the last few weeks….the Cannucks game excepted….

  117. Stepan has been a big issue this season. he and Hank have been the biggest culprits on the team.

  118. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The whole team has been bad…..Zucchini and Dorsett are the only ones who give a carcillo.

  119. There’s a long list. Stepan horrible. Zuccarello horrible. Richards horrible. Nash horrible. Kreider horrible. Hagelin horrible. …

  120. Carp, you mentioned it last game review, contestable puck possession battles, effort just isn’t there. That’s lack of heart.

  121. Carp, Miller really?

    Please identify any strengths you believe made him worthy of a #1 pick or he has displayed in the NHL?

    IF Girardi is a #3-4 D for 29 teams please advise what equally good second line scorer with some size you might obtain for him?

    Mediocrity abounds in this organization and perhaps as it does with other NY area teams those who cover them become enamored of the hype and PR.
    before the fact?

  122. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Again, losing is one thing, you can’t win them all….but you be expected to bust your assen every game….the rangers are playing like the season is over, they’ve missed the playoffs, and have packed it in for summer….

    Who has a job that you just mail it in every day without consequence? It’s like the rangers have tenure ;)

  123. Individuals do make up teams a given, but when an organization continually changes it’s cast every season, it stands to reason that it will take time to bring cohesion to the group, yes?

    The issue then becomes did you make the correct changes and are they demonstrable on the ice?

    No& no!

  124. Com, I’m not on the Miller bandwagon yet either, but definitely in favor of giving him a shot, in lieu of the dead wood vets who refuse to compete.

  125. Carp and EdwardIII, are we really comparing Miller with the giant sunflower and resident rag doll Boyle with the alleged added dimension, “he should have more offensive upside than Boyle”?

    Boyle is a fourth liner, doesn’t use his size except when piling on and should be beer tending in Boston!

  126. I think Miller has a shot to be a decent NHL player. Good skater, good hands, good vision and hockey IQ.

    *new video and audio up top.*

  127. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hank, sadly, is the goalie equivalent of last year’s Richards. ..,too much money and hardly enough production. This is a what have you done lately league and Hank isn’t getting it done…..Tam deserves the start tonight. I have very little faith in Hank making some big saves much less winning a game…

  128. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Common – I was merely addressing Papa’s post comparing the two…, I think Miller is hardly Boyle-esque

  129. Kenneth, your question about Sather’s control is a good one. Carp’s Sather contacts, if I recall correctly, are the ones who convinced him there was not a snowball’s chance in hell of Tortorella being fired, so if those same guys said Sather handed over control for a while, who knows what was really going on. That said, Carp knows his contacts and may or may not want to comment on why he believed them, and that’s if they’re even the same guys in both cases. Sather’s got control now, though, damn it, and there’s not much he can do having managed himself into this corner. This coach and these players will have to get it done!

  130. Tomb, that’s a nice bit of schnee. Up here 50 miles north of NYC we had a typical NYC-style storm yesterday, 5 inches of snow, followed by an inch of sleet and a little rain. Some neighboring towns had 1/2″ of ice on the trees (looked encased in glass through the sun as I passed through). Personally, I prefer the snow that stays snow for a while.

  131. We need prospects who don’t crap the bed whenever they get an opportunity with the puck in a scoring area.

    Too much bed crapping, not enough pucks in net.

  132. Norm, I don’t know what’s so difficult to understand. There are people in the organization, who are quite obvious, who were pretty much in charge last season, who told me what was going on and what the plans were going forward, which included keeping Tortorella and doing the right thing with the Richards buyout because of the cap-recapture risk. They all felt Richards would bounce back, but it was too enormous a gamble to keep him.

    They (and the coach) convinced Sather to trade Gaborik (and they were quite worried that he would ef it up).

    Then the old Slats came back, made it very clear who was in charge, fired Torts and took the Richards gamble, which could still doom the franchise if he so much as sprains an ankle in Game 80.

    So, yeah, I believed legitimate people and I passed on what they were telling me. When I speculate, I tell you I’m guessing. When I’m passing along an opinion, I tell you it’s my opinion. And when I am being told something by people who matter, then I present that as news.

    We report. You decide :)

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