Rangers-Predators in review; Live Chat at noon

252

Another reminder: We will have a Live Chat today at noon. On the ledge. Be there. Or else. Should be entertaining.

Thoughts:Nashville Predators v New York Rangers

1) They are boring. They are soft. They are mistake prone. And they are losing players almost every night. They don’t defend very well, and they can’t score. Other than that … How’d you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

2) They don’t believe they are soft or that they played soft last night. I disagree. After all that soul searching Sunday night and Monday, they came out and played this way, without nearly enough effort? This is as soft a Rangers team as I can remember in a long time. Honestly, Valeri Kamensky could play on this team. And I’m not saying they were manhandled or pushed around.

3) But I lost count of the number of times, especially in the first period, where a Rangers player threw away the puck to avoid a hit. Talk about throwing snow. The Weather Channel said it was 2-4 inches.

4) Bad efforts happen, where there isn’t enough try or battle or whatever term you want to use. I will say, that didn’t happen very often with the previous coach, but it did happen. And when it did, the next game was usually all kinds of fire and vinegar. This team hasn’t shown that characteristic.Nashville Predators v New York Rangers

5) And I will repeat this for the nth time: This team, with all its faults — and there are many — is still one of the top three teams in the Lesstropolitan Division. I mean, seriously, look at the teams below them.

6) Still, I thought the admission from Alain Vigneault that this team may not have the personnel to play the system he’d like it to play, was fairly startling. But probably true. I wonder what he would have thought about taking this job if he had actually known more about this roster. Vigneault did, smartly, slam on the brakes before putting any blame on Glen Sather and the team that put this team together. But with the remarks yesterday morning, and then those after the game, you really get the feeling Vigneault doesn’t like his personnel at all.

7) Count the backups. Holy cow, I swear — and I don’t follow the game to the degree I did when I was on the beat every day — I never heard of either of the last two goalies to beat the Rangers, allowing a single goal apiece. Never. There sure have been a lot of these types beating the Rangers this season. The Rangers have now scored one goal or fewer 12 times in 32 games (1-11), and two or fewer 19 times in 32 games (4-15).

Nashville Predators v New York Rangers8) I know, the cap was an issue, and Matt Hendricks was probably overpaid, but last summer he was available and the Rangers wound up with Dominic Moore instead … another example of another bad off-season for the Rangers. Nashville’s fourth line was so much better than Rangers’ fourth line. And the Rangers’ fourth line is way down the list of reasons why they are doing what they’re doing so far. And Moore was beaten getting back in the play on the goal by Gretzky, er, I mean Clune.

9) Alex Ovechkin had four goals last night. Rick Nash scored his sixth of the season.

10) We haven’t even gotten into the injuries yet. Ryan Callahan (Grade 2 left knee MCL sprain) is now out 4-6 weeks. Nobody has any idea if or when Marc Staal (concussion) might return. There was a moment there when Ryan McDonagh looked injured, when he took that terrible spill that left the front of the net defenseless on the 1-0 goal. Callahan, who has certainly not played to his potential, has in the last seven months had shoulder surgery and a broken thumb and now this, plus he got slashed on the hand and took a puck to the onions over the weekend. You have to wonder how he’s going to hold up, with the way he plays, going forward. Staal was playing terribly too.

11) Carl Hagelin. What happened to this guy, who shot out of the gate when he returned after missing the first 10 games? How two offensive zone penalties were awful and obvious calls. Maybe he was trying to glom all of Benoit Pouliot’s bonus penalty box points.Nashville Predators v New York Rangers

*************************************
My Three Rangers Stars:
1. Ryan McDonagh.
2. Derick Brassard.
3. Brian Boyle.
*************************************

Photos by Getty Images.

Twitter: @rangersreport.

 

About Author

252 Comments

  1. I could live with a couple of losses in a row, even being out fought a couple of games. But when you don’t show up to the fight and it looks like you don’t care, on home ice, well, then you sirs are done.

    Just for fun some dreaming:
    Nash- 1st line center – The Kreider
    Zuc – Stepan – Cally
    Big guy who can play – Center who wins draws – Speed and hits
    Tough guy who can play – Boyle – Big and speed

    McD – Stay home R
    New guy – New guy
    Falk-Strålman

    So that’s what I would do, get rid of most, keep some, lose many. Amazed at my self for keeping 5 of top 6, but hey, what do I know

  2. I thought McDonagh was slewfooted to be honest, the forwards left leg completely swept McDonagh’s right away and could have resulted in a serious injury. Can’t say I saw what happened to Callahan but the wheels are slowly coming off and a trade is required to shake thing up big time!

  3. And “stay home R” is not Girardi, need someone who can pass the puck, not only bank it off the boards and actually check people, not gliding by on one knee…..

  4. …and given AV’s quotes he may not be directly criticising the roster Slats has given him but if he’s as good a coach as we hope he is, there will be a list on Slats desk of guys who are expendable and list of requirements to replace them.

    Getting beaten by a 4th line and backup goalie should be the ultimate embarrassment.

  5. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    This Ranger season has really kept me from sleeping at night / up at 4 am .

    I figured out the reason,, when ever I watch this boring team and listen to the lifeless drone of Sam and Joe I fall asleep by the end of the 1st period and wakeup to a ladt cutting a giant bow commercial..asleep again by midnight. and here I am.

    I would say trades are definitely in order ,but with sather running the show NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

  6. The Fire Sather comments are gathering steam, but really the only way Slats will leave is if Jummy D sells the team or Slats dies. Don’t hold your breath peeps!

  7. You warned us…Carp….we won some games with the kind of efforts that preclude a losing streak…and here we are. Do I miss Torts..yep…because he got more out of them…made them tough to play against…and wore teams down giving us a third period edge. This team would like to go home after two…which is ok with me…as I have skipped watching the last two games…for better options. I did tape the games…but erased them unwatched.

  8. I like Tortorella’s old adage: “You’ll have plenty of time to loaf when you’re dead.”

  9. Call ups today? I can’t imagine that Asham will be around long, he played six minutes with a shortened bench, clearly AV is not a fan. I thought the subtraction of pyatt and Pouliot was going to matter, it didn’t. Awful effort, awful game however it was a nice review Carp.

  10. Whatever. this team sucks…
    Sather sucks.
    Letting Prust leave a few years ago cause he wanted too much…well I see him on NHL network more than Nash.
    Nash…our “highlight” reel goal scorer, who rarely has a highlight…sheesh, I didn’t want him then…and I don’t want him now.
    Soft? This team is unwatchable…soft is an understatement.
    Can’t wait to see Dubinsky and his Blue Jackets roll into town and make short work of this squad.
    Hey Hank! You may have wanted to stay a Ranger…but your hope of a cup…keep dreaming!

  11. AV had them going for a moment after the opening road trip, and they were exciting to watch. But he’s right, unfortunately. There’s no playing exciting hockey with a bunch of players who aren’t that excited. You see flashes of it — even Dorsett had a little jump in the first, and Del Zotto had that one rush. But the feet have to move all the time, not just some of the time, and AV hasn’t convinced them. Then to publicly say they’re no good (wrong personnel) is truthful, but the kiss of death — either he and they commit to what he’s good at coaching, or they try something that his heart’s not in. Something’s got to happen soon, though, or he’s toast. It won’t be Sather leaving. Dammit.

  12. We will miss Captain Glass. Went to the game last night and Carp you hit it on the head BORING! What a snooze fest.

    Too many players playing poorly to point out a few.

    Maybe next game…LGR!

  13. This team would like to go home after two…

    ***

    And that’s after taking the 1st period off.

  14. Maybe I should just stay in Albany and not come back to go to games. This is an utter disgrace and I don’t know where this goes or how it can get fixed. What teams would want half the crap we have on this roster.

    Cally will get his money but geez 7/8 yrs at 5.8 to 6 mil with his style yikes. But like hank rangers will do it. Not saying shouldn’t.

    Hagelin game was done once they moved him out of top 6 role.

    Enjoy the day as I won’t be anywhere near the blog. On the 24th floor in hotel. Where the ledge?

  15. Keep your eyes in the skies today folks, those ledges are going to be pretty crowded. Hope nobody jumps!

  16. Stranger Nation on

    _Still, I thought the admission from Alain Vigneault that this team may not have the personnel to play the system he’d like it to play, was fairly startling_

    Over a third of the way in and dumbassen is just figuring it out? Hockey players are dumber than I thought

  17. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    And Like a fool I bought 4 tix to yankees Stadium vs the devils.. any takers ?

  18. Stranger Nation on

    _I thought McDonagh was slewfooted to be honest, the forwards left leg completely swept McDonagh’s right away and could have resulted in a serious injury_

    You are correct, though it wasn’t a classic slewfoot as he Legwand caught the back of his knee, but the result was the same.

    And why is Falk out with Girardi during that goal? He looked like an AHLer on that whole first goal sequence against their top line.

  19. AV switching “systems” now, is just an admission to his poor coaching: no conviction. If the team is to forge an identity, your leader must have conviction. AV looks like an excuse machine to me, and frankly he sucks. There was a method to Tort’s madness. He took the heat off of his players by acting like an ass. He held them responsible. Even the stars. And he forged an identity that made the NYR one of the most respected teams in the NHL.

    WTF is the crap I see now?

  20. Glad to hear AV say what myself and a few others have said here before this season started and a few in the years past. The team doesn’t have the talent to be a top scoring team and the sad part is that this is probably the most “scorers” they’ve had in awhile.

    The team needs to be built around defense, hence why Henke just got that new contract. Fans won’t like to hear that, but it’s the truth.

  21. Therealmikeynj on

    Nash, Richards, zucc, kreider, McDonough, talbot, dorsett.

    After that everyone else has sucked.

    If I’m SATHER, trades and demotions happen today.

    And wa wa wa torts would have done this or that. No he wouldn’t have, he’d have the same team and the same suck level, and would just walk out of his post game interview crying like a b@&ch.

    And ill say it again, Arniel is a secret cancer on this team.

    He will ruin more players

  22. #7 ugh! Hard to watch a team that can’t score. Sure glad we called up Asham. My MonteKRISTO box is half empty.

  23. Today’s Charp has been postponed due to Carp’s broken heart. He thought Little Miss Cinderella Tortorella was his protege until that crap tweet. I hope one of Daddy Torts’ rescue dogs pees on her I-pad mini

  24. Sather Must Go! on

    Accurate review, Carp

    Not a 2nd guess, but this season to date was apparent from the day the opening roste was set….after the gabby trade they essentially had the core of a last place Blue Jackets team (and their Coach) supplemented by poo-out, Pratt, Dom Moore and no tough guy upfront and no dmen (save McD)

    They will get nothing in a trade for anybody on the current roster and they ain’t much bubbling below at Hartford

    I guess slats deserved a raise?
    Sather is awful.

  25. On the bright side, this unwatchable stretch of hockey seems to have brought out a lot of new posters

    They may all be saying the same old things and beating a dead horse to death, but blog traffic is blog traffic and Carp gets paid by the word

  26. Its -34 below with the wind chill, right now. YIKES!

    This could be one of those days that you are farther ahead if you don’t get out of bed.

  27. Stranger Nation on

    *Arniel is a secret cancer on this team.He will ruin more players*

    There is truth in that statement. Good thing we have leaders like Richards to help us through the tough times

    Can we pin the A on McD’s chest now that Stalled is out?

  28. Carp: Why aren’t you and your media colleagues writing articles and blogs on how Sather is the real problem in NY?

    I realize he’s got a job for life, but as a journalist that shouldn’t stop you from writing what’s right.

    Should it?

    The pressure to get this man removed from his throne needs to mount and the media, as surely you know, can play a huge role in getting that movement rolling.

    I don’t understand. Or (and I’m simply being honest here) is the threat of having your MSG pass revoked by the Dolan dictatorship preventing it??

  29. Stranger Nation on

    (to be sung to ‘Up on the Roof/’Ledge’)

    When this bad team starts a getting me down
    watching these players is an outright disgrace
    I’ll question my sanity and all the time spent
    As team spirit leaves my body and drifts into space

    On the ledge, it’s as painful as can be
    Watching the Blueshirts is nothing but a bother for me

    Watching them play at home looking tired and beat
    I’ll throw up a $18 prime rib sandwich in my seat
    I’ll get far away from the texting crowd
    And the lack of noise down on 34th street

    On the ledge, that’s the only place to go
    This team really sucks, baby
    It’s Uncle Glennie’s fate to make it so
    Let’s go up on the ledge

    And a 4th liner and backup goalie put on a show for free
    And fellow boneheads can share the pain with me
    That’s what Carp always says
    He keeps on telling you

    On the ledge, it’s as painful as can be
    Watching the Blueshirts is nothing but a bother for me

  30. Sather Must Go! on

    How much will slats over pay for brooks orpik and Derek Englland next year? Those are two guys I would like… I be pitt ties them both up b4 year end… Point Id a complet revamping is needed, which is absurd at this point f the GM’s tenure

  31. I think we’ll be alright if we can just get beukeboom back to play some mean D..and messier to add scoring…and Kocur to kick some assen. Other than that we’re AWESOME!!!

  32. Good morning, boneheads!

    Wow, Carp, nicely done. Combine ## 1,2, and 3 in one sentence and you have the whole picture.

    Question, Carp- I won’t be able to join you at noon, so I’ll ask now. Does it sound like AV is asking for a major shake up/personnel change, or is he asking to be fired?

  33. Mediocrity, thy name is Dorsett, Brassard, and Moore. Torts, let’s not forget, ran a slumping Gaborik out of town, and Gaborik couldn’t wait to go. Nice work. Now we have three depth guys back who have to play (or Sather looks like an idiot), none of them are game-changers, and we have — surprise — a depth team. If Gaborik is done, sure it may end up being a good move by next year if the three Blue Jackets can get the team something in trade. Meanwhile, that team is going the other direction, without two big guns and its goalie. They must be salivating about playing the Grazers, I mean Rangers.

  34. Our big win was beating Torts a week ago, all down hill from here. Nothing left down on the farm, players on the big club taking nights off.
    But look at the bright side….
    We still have Sather!

  35. This is a dogs-breakfast-bunch-of-no-talents-wrapped-in-turd-squad.

    Sweet dreams, gentle men.

  36. They were already showing signs of declining during that Vancouver win, Jimmy. In fact, I think you could see them starting to lose their barely found identity during 2:0 win in Nashville.

  37. Nash is very uncomfortable on the ice. He is too deliberate in his attempts to avoid being hit. He is either not fully back to normal after his concussion, or may need a little psychological help.

  38. The evil empire strikes again ( The emperor, James Dolan and his commander, Darth Sather). The dark ages are coming folks, future not so good in rangerland. Darth Sather will hand out 2 more bad contracts to Callahan and Girardi and will over pay other ufa’s. It’s all down hill from here boneheads.

  39. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Carp, great review!!!

    Point 2: speaks of a team that realizes it’s “weaknesses”. HA HA!! Have to laugh. The GM has no clue (best he can do is pull up Asham and bring Dorsett back, two light middle weights, one post-waiver clearance…WAY TO BUILD A TEAM WITH AN AFTERTHOUGHT!!) But the lack of grit is not made better by two players. It’s balance, as you know, and this team has little. The guys are playing in full realization that any time they go on the ice they can be out skilled, out classed, and worst, beaten up with absolutely NO retribution. How would you feel???? Beaten down. That’s the way the look.

    So, Point 6: I understand AV thought this team was better. He didn’t know the roster well. I believe we can ALL admit Torts had this team spinning like a top the best anyone could (yes, even Torts haters, if they can shed their hatred of the man). He had to ‘try’ the offensive thing because:

    1. he sold Dolan on that bill of goods
    2. Dolan thought it would be more fun to watch (and it was for the 3 games they could hold the system together)
    3. AND, THE MORON GM, THE GREAT EVALUATOR OF TALENT, ACTUALLY THOUGHT AV COULD GET THIS ILL-CONCEIVED TEAM TO PLAY THAT WAY ON A HIGH LEVEL!!!!! HA!! HA!! HA!!

    So, I give him credit for being diplomatic and saying he will have to go to a more defensive style. He doesn’t want to lose his job….yet. Good luck, AV!! Defensive style befits this crappy team. It does the Devils, too!!

  40. another sad effort …Dorsett, Kreider Zucc are the only forwards that forecheck or touch anyone. Why is Stephan getting a free pass?…he’s been horrible and the major reason the offense is pathetic.

  41. Jim

    I tried asking the same question last season, when Sather was on the conference call after the canning of Tortorella and had the onions to state that “coaches have shelf lives” without even for one moment fearing that ANY of the numerous reporters on the line would throw that one right back in his lap.

    13 years of failure, and there isn’t one guy in the media who has called it like it is: Sather is an incompetent, lazy clown.

    Pretty sad.

  42. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    So, I have an admission. Like AV didn’t know the Rangers, I didn’t know Nash. Did any one of our ‘scouts’ go out to Columbus and watch this guy? Do they have a brain???

    I was behind the trade. I admit. I thought he was a big, underachieving superstar held back by playing with an awful team. I only saw the highlight reels. It was a western team we rarely played.

    I admit I was wrong. He is exactly what we don’t need and it is a pipe dream to bring a guy that plays with this lack of conviction, poorly back checks, doesn’t’ play his size, and, in general, is lazy and uninvolved in anything other than trying to create that ‘beautiful goal’ for the highlights, is not what we needed.

    A power forward (having given up to useful players, one who played bigger than his size, the other who was big and occasionally played that way, and a mid -level, but average sized….hard to believe…defensive prospect) was needed. But one that plays that way. Gets involved. Can create. Makes other players better. Can score some, but have a complete game.

    No, Nash was ill-conceived. I was wrong.

  43. I feel a win streak coming, guys! We’re gonna do it again, 1994 style!! Let’s go Rangers!!!

  44. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    ORR….after signing a fresh, clean slate, 5 year deal????? Ummmm….no!!

  45. Matty, I tried to tell fellow bone heads about Nash but no one would listen. When those rumors started to fly and my favorite ranger Dubinsky was part of rumor I knew the rangers were doomed.

  46. Traid everyone who has any value except: Callahan, Hank, Stepan, McDonagh and The Kreider.

    Rebuild!

  47. Stemmer: I realize I’m totally speculating, but I gotta figure it’s Dolans threat of yanking press passes (or whatever they are called now) of any media person he feels is writing articles that unfairly (in his narrow minded opinion) tarnish the Rangers.

    I cannot come up with any other plausible reason. Hell, even Larry Brooks is silent on this subject and he’s probably the harshest of all the Ranger beat writers.

  48. I would trade Callahan. Why give a guy a long and expensive contract when that player gets injured a lot and is now reaching into his 30’s. It makes no sense to me but what do I know.

  49. Seriously, Matty. I was also behind the trade. The guy is supposed to be a superstar. But now I am sitting here demanding that we trade him to Montreal for Max Pacioretty, because I don’t think Nash is much more than a 35 goal guy at best.

    When he first got here I was blown away thinking he played Defense and had a more complete game than I thought. That kind of disappeared around playoff time last season and still hasn’t come back.

  50. But than again I would have traded lundqvist also and not given him 8.5 million for 7 years. The problem with giving these contracts out now is these players are going or are in there 30’s. The right play would have been to sell and rebuild. The rangers window passed when they made it to the conference finals. It’s mind boggling how bad a GM sather is and even more mind boggling how retarded is Dolan for keeping this jerk as gm.

  51. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Stemmer, Jim, great point!!!

    Carpy, perhaps you’d like to respond??

    Why is everyone in the media (and you are more outspoken than most, but still not way out there with article after article pointing out the lack of accomplishments in 13years?) afraid to speak the truth?? Why is no one hammering the sports pages, the airwaves, in the open, saying it’s time to replace Sather??

    What does he, Dolan, MSG, hold above the media??

  52. Carp, re:#5, this is simply rationalizing the bigger issues.

    Why is it important to be as average as other teams and see some light at the end of the tunnel because you are in a weak division?

    Your review is excellent but only reinforces the fact that this is a badly composed roster, no better than last year, no better coaching will improve the talent level or insist soft players will play differently because “they must or should”!

    Seriously and knowing Junior will continue his obstinate ways, when will the metro area hockey writers “tell it like it is”? A full frontal assault!

    A big part of the problem is the average fan seems to accept that because of Junior’s obstinacy and his retention of Sather nothing will ever happen.

    Maybe if the writers coalesced, took fan polls etc. some traction might be gained.

    The writers get very little time with the “royalty” anyway so what’s the risk?

  53. Mrs. Manny (who knows who these guys are) nicknamed Nash “Spins” because he’s always spinning around in the offensive zone.

  54. I was against the trade, but I’ve been since convinced that my reasons behind it were wrong. The cap does not matter and bottom 6 forwards are interchangeable dime-a-dozen everymen.

  55. Stranger Nation on

    _Why is Stephan getting a free pass?…he’s been horrible and the major reason the offense is pathetic_

    Step is not a #1 Center, he is a servicable #2. The lack of a #1 center has hurt this franchise since the end of Messier first stint.

    Cally is damaged goods – yeah, big heart, blah, blah, blah – you don’t overpay this guy.

    Paying Henk will look worse than paying Nash – you can bank it.

  56. I said it than and I will stand by it. If Nash was such a great talent he would have made players around him better therefore he didn’t do that in Columbus and he isn’t doing it here.

  57. Orr

    The team was disappointing, but I also think Boom Boom had some physical problems, ulcers, Crohn’s maybe? And the Cat was always ready to hop behind the bench in any event, as he did later with other guys he brought in to coach for a brief time

  58. Stranger Nation on

    Trade or no trade, this team was not going anywhere or do you really think Dubi is a #1 center -which is what he playing in Columbus. His career point total high is 54; he had 2 assist in 9 PO games in their ECF run.

    Columbus sucks too with Dubi and Artie – no more fantasy talk please

  59. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Tommy, I am with you now and remember you saying it. Again, my basis was in what I read, now what I saw. I had not seen him play much. Our front office should have. But, Mickey Mouse as they are, they probably read it on a bubble gum wrapper.

    Manny, scoring 35 goals would be great. And, perhaps, 2 concussions and with no one physically protecting him, Nash is a different player. But for almost $8M per, he doesn’t bring enough to the table with his “good’ comments, to boot, that makes him worthwhile.

    All he’s got is some highlight moves. THere’s more to hockey. THere’s more to teach the youngsters (the few good ones we have) than what he shows and gives.

  60. I would move Nash now while he has value before his bell get rung again. Deal is Nash and they have to take one of our many 3rd or 4th liners.

  61. Based on the Danny Kristo tweet on this page, it seems like he’s ready for the big club right now. Seems the only bodies he’s interested in checking are models.

    Born to be a Ranger.

  62. You were right, The Doctor. I was wrong. I’m stupid. You’re smart. I was wrong. You were right. You’re the best. I’m the worst. You’re very good-looking. I’m not attractive.

  63. _If Nash was such a great talent he would have made players around him better therefore he didn’t do that in Columbus and he isn’t doing it here._

    Like how Crosby has made Malkin better and Toews has made Kane better.

  64. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    Cally is a star on this star starved team.. otherwise a second liner at best.. on the top teams..

  65. Jim

    I agree — Brooks tends not to sugar-coat it, and hardly ever did when it came to Torts. But he without question can be faulted greatly for refusing to call out Sather and his record of failure. I think there is a bond there that holds him back. Inexcusable.

  66. I wish these posts were all searchable. I’d like to put together a timeline of my initial flipping out over a potential Nash trade, then watch me come around after some silly moves, then watch me remember “this is a guy with a top 5 cap hit”, then watch him get hurt … all that. Could be a lot of “fun”.

  67. Stranger Nation, no fantasy talk, there is other intangible in Dubi’s game that most ranger fans seem to not get or see.

  68. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Ok, so who is going to MSG, and who will bring in the first “FIRE SATHER” poster???

    Who will start the chant???

  69. And, don’t forget that Sather brought Asham back and Asham admitted he DIDNT HAVE MUCH LEFT IN THE TANK.

    But yea, let’s keep Bickel down there. No point in having him up here.

  70. Mister D, most of the time Crosby doesn’t play with Malkin so yes, whoever plays on Crosby line benefits from Crosby’s play.

  71. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Dubie is marginally overpaid. I agree with Tommy. There are intangibles there. Leadership. Toughness. THe ability to stand up to anyone, anytime.

    Sorry, not as good, but in a different way, Prust did that, too.

    These guys help a team in intangible ways. IF they score, great. But statistics are not the whole story.

    If you want to look at statistics, Artie, who has few intangibles, look at him like a fantasy player.

  72. Cross Check Charlie on

    Posted this on another forum and thought I’d reprise it here.

    What did they expect? Did they think that guys like Brassard, Pouliot, Boyle, Hagelin, Zuccarello, etc. to become prolific goal scorers under AV when they haven’t been during their careers? The only guy on the team that shows any skill around the net is Nash. All the other guys just shoot the puck at the goalie and hope for the best. Look at Richards. Does he show any skill around the net or does he shoot the puck every freakin’ time it lands on his stick? Is that what he was brought to the team for or was he supposed to be the set up guy for the now departed Gaborik and Nash? The only problem is that if he passes to anybody except Nash, they’ll either mishandle the pass or shoot the puck (wide, high, into the goalie’s chest protector).

  73. Agree, Matty. This is my new thinking and no one wanted to talk about it last night. I mean, how much is Brad Richards overpaid?

    Because Dubinsky at $4.2M might be, what. $700K too much? It’s really not a big deal. It’s one rookie goon that you can’t sign.

  74. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Manny, because Sather’s got no other options. Either resurrect Brashear, or go with Avery. Most GM’s do this work in June, July, the off season.

    DO YOU REALIZE HOW ILL CONCEIVED THIS TEAM IS???

    HE “FORGOT” ABOUT TEAM TOUGHNESS AND THOUGHT HE COULD SPRINKLE IN 2 NON-HEAVYWEIGHTS AT THE END??????

    Where is Miami?? Amateur hour at it’s best.

  75. There is no trade out there that’s going to fix the Rangers problems this year or in the future. There is some hope going forward with the cap going up. To me, the problems can be distilled into a couple distinct buckets, which unfortunately encompass just about the entire game:

    1) There’s not enough scoring. Projecting out the goal scoring based on the season to date you’d get ~223 goals from this team for a full 82 games – which would put the team in the top half traditionally. With injuries though, they’re probably going to be closer to 200 goals which isn’t going to cut it.

    The guys getting the increased ice time aren’t stepping up. Stephan has been the biggest disappointment relative to expectations. Brassard and Boyle are right there too and to a lesser extent Hagelin and Zuccarello.

    The defense hasn’t contributed either outside of McDonagh – the remaining five look to equal his scoring when combined.

    2) Team defense. The defense has been shoddy particularly Girardi and Staal plus the third pairing. Stralman gets a pass for what they’re paying him. The forwards have been equally suspect in their own zone. McDonagh is the lone bright spot again.

    3) Goaltending. Lundqvist hasn’t played to his historical standard and it’s showing. It will be interesting to see over the next year or two whether much of Lundqvist’s success was his skills or from a defense first system the past four years.

  76. _Mister D, most of the time Crosby doesn’t play with Malkin so yes, whoever plays on Crosby line benefits from Crosby’s play._

    I know what you meant, I just don’t necessarily agree with it because its such a rare trait. Granted, those are the guys who should have the $7.8MM plus cap hits so … whatever, maybe I do agree.

  77. _“Fun” like your “game” Mister D?_

    We should start that back up today and use the Rangers just so everyone can scream “NO ONE!” and cry.

  78. Jeff in South Dakota on

    An old man calls his son and says, “Listen, your mother and I are getting divorced. Forty-five years of misery is enough.”
    “Dad, what are you talking about?” the son screams.
    “We can’t stand the sight of each other any longer,” he says. “I’m sick of her face, and I’m sick of talking about this, so call your sister and tell her,” and he hangs up.
    Now, the son is worried. He calls his sister. She says, “Like hell they’re getting divorced!”
    She calls their father immediately. “You’re not getting divorced! Don’t do another thing. The two of us are flying home tomorrow to talk about this. Until then, don’t call a lawyer, don’t file a paper. DO YOU HEAR ME?” She hangs up the phone.
    The old man turns to his wife and says, “Okay, they’re both coming for Christmas and paying their own airfares.

    Happy Charpday Boneheads!

  79. Hey JJP…Those guys on “D” took a ton of rubber the past few years. Hank has to play goal now, should be interesting…..

  80. _Except, The Doctor, you’re wrong about Brassard._

    5 points over his last 8, Manny. He’s an enabler who just needs enableable players with him.

    (Richards is still really overpaid. Points look good in relative terms but he’s T-45th in the league and does, quite literally, nothing else to contribute if not putting up points.)

  81. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    I do get tired of evaluating a player based on his tangibles, even though some have many intangibles. Pyatt has next to no intangibles. Cally does have some that don’t make the stat sheet.

    Does Richards have any? Perhaps he can teach the younger kids some? Beyond that, he is filled to the brim with tangibles. They guy sits on the PP and SHOULD have the most points on the team, given the time he wastes out there. Good for him, he’s better than last year. But, tell me, what else does he do to earn $6M?? And, of course, all that front loaded money (ridiculous)??? Sorry, he doesn’t back check. He does pass to the opposition to jump start their offense (is that an assist??). And, in general, he is lazy on ice.

    Perhaps $4m, maybe?? But grossly overpaid.

  82. Although he’s 7 years older than Stastny, Richards *numbers* are all around better. And they get paid the same.

    Thoughts?

  83. So, quel surprise!, the Rangers lost yet again to another rinky-dink back-up goalie.
    Why are they facing so many back-up goalies? The answer is that the entire league knows that the Rangers can be beaten by any goalie, so playing the Rangers is a great opportunity to rest their number 1 goalie. To them, it’s like a practice scrimmage.

    The Rangers are far beyond soft – they have no heart. Not signing Prust took the heart out of the team. The Rangers itimidation factor is zero!

  84. Matty, is contributing to the eradication of poorly designed untucked shirts considered a tangible or an intangible?

  85. What will it take for this Rangers team to wake up and play, game in/game out? More money? Apparently not.

    Hey guys, you can talk all you want about firing Sather and how Dolan sucks and yada yada yada, but the truth is, the only way this team is going to change is if WE stop going to games and spending our money on overpriced beers/tickets/jerseys/etc. You want change? Stop feeding the machine.

  86. Matty"We'reAbunchOfCreamPuffs!!"Boy on

    Yes, Henrik isn’t making the big save. BUT, how much can one guy do?? Do you realize the amount of scoring chances, actual chances other teams are getting?? It’s silly. Put Dryden, Hasek, Roy, in the net at the same time against these odd man rushes. They couldn’t. He can’t.

    He let in 2 soft ones agains Washington. Bad, soft ones. But he also stopped about 7 that could have gone in, that were high quality. How much can he do???

    Same last night.

    No, he hasn’t been great, but he is NOT the problem

  87. Just want to point out that I called one goal or less in the last two games, though I can’t take too much credit for stating the obvious.

  88. I don’t see how Boyle gets lumped in as a disappointment with Stepan and Brassard. I mean, Boyle’s main responsibility isn’t to score.

    WBM (c)

    0) Boyle
    1) Pouliot
    2) Richards
    3) MotZ
    4) Stralman
    5) Pyatt

  89. Reporter #1: “Brad, the team looks flat, generating almost no scoring opportunities yet still giving up numerous odd-man rushes each game. What do you think can be done to break the team out of this funk?”

    Richards: “I would name a shirt after Pauillac wine. It’s from Bordeaux, my favorite region for drinking wines. Chateau Lafite Rothschild and Chateau Latour are from that region — two of the greatest first growths ever — plus many others.”

    Reporter #2: “Any advice you’ll be giving the younger guys on how to deal with what, for some, is their first major professional adversity? Anything you’d advise them to do off the ice to better prepare for game day?”

    Richards: “To me, the perfect outfit would be an UNTUCKit shirt, a Calvin Klein blazer, my favorite Rag & Bone jeans, and some John Varvatos boots.”

    Reporters #1 and #2: “Thanks Brad.”

  90. We can bash Richards all we want, but think of where they would be this season without him. I mean, *maybe* Brassard duplicates his production in the top 6, but is there anyone else that would then replace Brassard’s third line production. Miller? Lindberg?

  91. Wait, the Rangers seriously thought they didn’t play soft last night? That’s the biggest thing that’s troubling to me here.

  92. Even during 2011-12, people were complaining that Tort had them blocking too many shots, played the top 4 D too much, changed lines too much, etc.

  93. Yea. Hank is fine. Not the problem. He’s the guy I would take *After* McDonagh. And I’m not a huge fan of the “pay your goalie more than anyone ever” theory of team building as it hasn’t proven to work very well.

  94. Apparently Tort’s daughter tweeted “you got what you want right? Hopefully you find some identity”

    Hire her!

  95. AV’s comments are similar to that of Torts just before the Gaborik trade.
    I’d lay money on a trade coming in the run up to Christmas – one involving multiple pieces. (and hopefully ridding us of Pyatt, Poulet etc..)

    We need to get up Kristo and McIlrath in place of Falk and Poulet for starters then a trade to bolster the top 6 forwards.

  96. After another 1 goal game, and a loss to a below average team, with a back up goalie.

    Can we call up my boy NOW?

  97. Sioux, we might be getting past “can he help a bit” to “are we going to just drag him into a mess” territory.

  98. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I just don’t necessarily agree with it because its such a rare trait._ Crosby

    _He’s an enabler who just needs enableable players with him._ Brassard

    The irony of these two individual quotes…

  99. One player can elevate any player (Crosby), one can contribute with equal talent (Brassard). I think it was pretty simple but I’m guessing this late wake up means you had a rough night so I’ll cut you some slack. Have a bagel and a coffee and you’ll be ok.

  100. jay reimenschneider on

    AV was the wrong coach for this team, regardless of personnel. The Rangers have always been terrible with coaches that treated them like responsible grownups—too many distractions in the city (model hot hockey groupies to the white courtesy phone) for 20 somethings with 7 figure salaries to be able to get to the rink and do the job day in/day out. Torts needed to be fired because the team was giving up on him but without someone else behind the bench to grind these guys for every last drop they were doomed from the start.

  101. Doc – I’m not saying he’s the savior. I’m saying 5 games. Lets see if he can get a timely goal, give the team a spark.

    I’ve watched him do it the last 4 years, granted it was on a different level, but when he was on the ice, there was always a chance.

    I’ll promise you this. The kid COMPETES! His motor never stops running. There are games he looks like a bouncy ball out there, but he is a finisher. He can put the puck in any corner on the go. He has some silky mitts!

  102. Sioux – no-one, we’ll be lucky to get a 7th rounder for some of them. The only way we can add a player of any quality is to give up a decent prospect, draft pick or multiple “depth” players.
    Don’t be surprised if we see a package of names from any of MDZ, Brassard, Pyatt, Poulet, Miller, Stralman etc.. going somewhere for 1 star player and a few prospects.

  103. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _One player can elevate any player (Crosby)_

    “I just don’t necessarily agree with it because its such a rare trait.”

    _He’s an enabler_

    Pick one.

  104. Yea *KEXP* is a good one. I was a *Program Director* at my College Radio Station which is a *Top 100* so, ya know, I’m kind of an expert.

  105. What has become of Dan Girardi? How many replays of goals against do you see him off to the side falling down or in an awkward position and completely out of the play. What’s the deal? This guy used to be a very solid defenseman. WTB!

  106. Rob in Beantown on

    I did college radio too! Though I am too irresponsible to ever be put in charge of anything beyond a regular rotation show, so I am not as cool as you.

  107. Can you just list them, UK? I have a strict “don’t ever give bleacher report any clicks” policy.

  108. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I just don’t necessarily agree that Crosby makes players better because its such a rare trait_

    _Brassard just needs better line mates to bolster his production_

    Come on, *pick one*!

  109. *None* The Doctor because that band is *horrible*

    Also, they weren’t around back then because I’m *old*

  110. Everyone at College Radio is an unsung hero *Rob* The DJ’s make things work. They are VERY important. I *loved* College Radio. Met all my friends, put on awesome shows, got free records, went to free shows and learned a *ton* about music.

  111. _Pick one._

    I’d have to pick 2. Crosby can make guys like Pouliot good. Brassard can play very well with comparable talent but isn’t on that rare tier that can elevate guys like Pouliot. Its not tough. What kind of bagel did you get?

  112. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I just don’t necessarily agree that Crosby makes players better because its such a rare trait_

    _Brassard just needs better line mates to bolster his production_

    If Crosby doesn’t make players better, what player is going to make Brassard better, kid?

  113. Did you make up a quote for me? I said Nash doesn’t make players better, Crosby does.

    Don’t make up quotes, that’s such ugly form for such an otherwise nice boy(s).

  114. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Papa
    Did you see that “punk” hagelin do that slew foot and then not answer the bell? What a “punk”!

  115. Mister D – I have tried twice! The moderator is stopping it being posted, not sure why I’ve not even mentioned Kim Kardashian !

  116. Sioux-per-depressed on

    Let’s say Kristo got the call last night instead of Asham. He scores goal #2, and ties it up AT HOME!

    The team at least has a chance to win.

    Not so sure I can say that when Asham takes the ice for what 6 minutes.

    C’MMMMMMMMMMMMON MAN!!!

  117. Dammit, UK, now I’m really curious. I’m always shocked at some of the stuff the filter kicks out.

  118. Listen: Sather needs to go. But I hope Jeff Gorton doesn’t replace him (should we ever get our dream of replacing Glen). We need an outside hire. A totally different direction. One that ends in WINNING.

  119. Yeah, I really do agree, Sioux. Right now we have Nash, Richards, Brass, Stepan, Hags, Kreider, Zucc, Boyle and Dorsett as legit (healthy) NHL forwards. The other vets we’ve rotated through have pretty much shown they’re not going to score and our coach has acknowledged we can’t score so I guess why not at this point. Too scary to create a Hartford line (and we have too many centers), but you may as well bring up Miller, Kristo and your favorite 3rd, drop one on each of the 2nd through 4th lines and see where it goes. At worst, we’re right where we are right now and know what needs to be done heading into the deadline, right?

  120. Sather Must Go! on

    Scary that the orgs #1 prosect by far came to us in a recent pretty innocuous off season trade rathe than the past 4-5 years of drafting- where would this org be without the Canadiens front office?

  121. What if Gorton is the one responsible for the good low-level finds but Sather won’t let him get in on the major trades? Or if he’s the one who saved us from including Kreider/Miller in a Nash deal? Working for Sather shouldn’t imply agreement with Sather, should it?

  122. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Good think we put 8.5 mil in a goalie because this team doesn’t need to improve anywhere…
    I understand why we licked him up, I mean rising salary cap and all, any ufa goalie is going to get beau coup $$$$$ so that might not have been a viable option. What about trading for another goalie instead that is under contract for a few years?

    I’m just not a believer in you need a top 3 or 5 goalie to win the cup. Doesn’t matter now, just venting I guess.

  123. SMG, it is scary, but in the end, it doesn’t matter to me if they drafted the player or acquired the player in a minor league trade.

  124. Sioux-per-depressed on

    It’s a no lose call up.

    He can play with Stepan, Brassard, or Miller.

    Not sure he will help the 4th line, and I’m not saying put him on the Top line with Nash. 15 minutes a game.

    I’m not saying he’s Patrick Kane, like the article said, but he can score in all areas of the ice. If he scores a goal *every other* game, just how many Rangers would be ahead of him?

  125. Sather Must Go! on

    I hear ya gravy – just saying we were lucky to get Mcd – hopefully kristo end up > Thomas..

  126. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    tommyG: _Mister D, most of the time Crosby doesn’t play with Malkin so yes, whoever plays on Crosby line benefits from Crosby’s play._

    MrD: _I know what you meant, I just don’t necessarily agree with it because its such a rare trait._

  127. Stranger Nation on

    Right now we have
    Nash, 1st line RW
    Richards, 2nd line LW
    Brass, 2nd line C
    Stepan, 2nd line C
    Hags, 2nd/3rd line LW
    Kreider, 2nd line LW
    Zucc, 2nd line LW
    Boyle and 4th line C
    Dorsett 3rd/4th line RW
    as legit (healthy) NHL forwards.

    One 1st line
    Six 2nd liners including 4 LWs – hmmmmmm
    One 3rd line
    One 4th line

  128. Stranger Nation on

    _My 3 stars last night Nash, brassard, j Moops_
    The Columbus Special

    What would Gabby do?
    Ex Ranger brigade tomorrow night; Dubi/Artie/Darn Tootin
    Who scores and who many??

  129. I would take Evander Kane but I would definitely caution this team from gutting yet another failing team. We gutted Montreal and they got *better*. We gutted *’Lumbus* and they got *better*. Meanwhile, we got *worse*

  130. ilb, I think AV’s kind of asking or a shakeup … or covering his own behind. I don’t think he wants to be fired at this stage, though he’d have a pretty nice soft landing place with that contract.

    If somebody wants to give me mega bucks for five years, and all I have to do is go away, where do I sign?

  131. Sioux-per-depressed on

    @BDubi17 – He knows his team is going to mop up the Rangers when they are down.

    Who’s going to stop them?????

  132. You got it, *Wicky* . It just reinforced those dreams I was having about you….

    In a way Montreal did get much better with *Prust*

  133. Kenny baby, its becoming tedious. I’m sure its been tedious for most people reading our little back and forths for a while but it was entertaining me so I kept it up. If you want to try harder again and get back to player and cap quarrels, I’m here for you, but if its going to be playing dumb and twisting words, that’s no fun. Its your call. Let me know. Or have Lloyd let me know.

  134. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I think we should trade step or brassard (for either a top 4 d man who plays tough or a top 6 fwd with size and a bit of nasty who can score…think a healthy clowe type).

    We “technically” have 3 centers who can play top 2 line position and we aren’t trading secretariat so…

  135. Stranger Nation on

    @BDubi17

    NYC ladies here I come! Looking forward to familiar places and playing again! I’ll be there with my bells out!

  136. _It would be an absolute joke if Vigneault lost his job and Sather got to keep his_

    Totally. In the rare games where things were really clicking, this was a really entertaining style to watch. If we had to pick the perfect Torts team or the perfect AV team, I’ll take the latter every day.

  137. Sioux-per-depressed on

    Wicky our town wasn’t to happy with the Head Coach getting a better offer in Wyoming.

    But after 3 National Championships – why wouldn’t he take a $1M raise per year?

  138. I *Want* this team

    1. Evander Kane ($5.25M) – P. Stastny ($6.6M) – Ryan Callahan ($6M)
    2: The Kreider ($.8M) – D. Stepan ($3.1M) – M. Pacioretty ($4.5M)
    3. Matt Moulson ($3.5M) – JT Miller ($.8M) – D. Dorsett ($1.63M)
    4. K. Westgarth ($.8M) – John Mitchell ($1M) – Colton Orr ($1M)

  139. Stranger Nation on

    _trade step or brassard (for either a top 4 d man who plays tough or a top 6 fwd with size and a bit of nasty who can score_

    Wicky – agree, but that also forces us to pick up a 1st line C UFA this summer – Statsny/Steen?? Especially if we are going to send Bucky to the glue factory

  140. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    When he’s healthy, I’d trade Staal to Carolina (yes because of the brothers connection) or to Edmonton so fast his head would spin (pun not intended).

    How soon before the rangers add a player or two that has played in AV’s system in Vancouver?

  141. Stranger Nation on

    Carp – I was crying when I wrote it.

    Did you decide after the first period last night to hold the charp?

  142. _Wicky – agree, but that also forces us to pick up a 1st line C UFA this summer – Statsny/Steen?? Especially if we are going to send Bucky to the glue factory_

    Sounds prohibitively expensive. I think the quickest way to strong top 3 lines is still Stepan – Brassard – Miller and filling in on the wings, but I’m not against Stastny. Paying Steen for a massive outlier year is a totally different story.

  143. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Misty, you couldn’t hack the heat, time for you to exit the kitchen. It’s been disspiriting, not entertaining, watching you bumble and stumble the past week.

  144. I guess we end with the final score Mister D 1 (Nash for cap space), Kenneth 0, Lloyd 0, KWNR 0, Vino 0 …

    It was fun.

  145. _How soon before the rangers add a player or two that has played in AV’s system in Vancouver?_

    They already have the best, Wicky. *Pyatt*.

  146. Some days this blog should be retitled “People are Funny”, especially Ranger fans!

    Reality #1, what intangibles did Poopinsky provide as a Ranger?

    Why would other teams want our dreck when a now below average team wants to dump them?

    Get real folks, the fish continues to rot from the heads!

  147. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Carp – As has been the case this entire semester, I will miss the charp as I have to preach to the willing….

    JR wants to ask, however, who is most stupider, him or Engblom?

  148. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Fine manny, I’ll play…

    1st line Nash stastny (patch or Kane)

    2nd line kreider (step or brass) cally

    3rd line Hagar hanzal dorsett

    4th bordeleau lapierre tootoo

    Spare fwd ??? (Pick one)

    D men
    Mcdonut phanuef methot j Moops mcilrath Gleason engelland

  149. Sioux-per-depressed on

    Gravy – Gomer the 1’st liner vs Boyler over.

    Which 4th line wing played better on the top line?

    Time to get down to brass tax here.

  150. Carp, not to interrupt your chat.

    Many questions posed on this blog are rarely responded to.

    So why then in a short answer format of a chat should one expect anything else?

    Just asking! (;)

  151. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Carp
    I posted this on one of the audio link threads late last night…

    How far over fire code was the ledge last night? ;)

  152. Sioux-per-depressed on

    So I’m thinking to myself last night.

    WHO is going to pay *BIG BUCKS* to watch *THIS* team play outside in freezing temperatures?

  153. Sioux, I thought I read that those Oh so desirable tickets to freeze your butt off watching mediocrity were not moving as fast as the proponents expected!

  154. _Reality #1, what intangibles did Poopinsky provide as a Ranger?_

    Game 2 vs Ottawa. Obviously can’t quantify it, but it mattered and its missing.

    (Oh, and he’d be tied for 2nd on the team in points.)

Leave A Reply

Protected with IP Blacklist CloudIP Blacklist Cloud