Predators at Rangers tonight (7:30 p.m.) … pre-game notes

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Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

NEW YORK RANGERS vs. NASHVILLE PREDATORS
Tuesday, Dec. 10, 7:30 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 15-15-1 (31 pts)
Predators: 13-14-3 (29 pts)

TONIGHT’S GAME
The Rangers will face-off against the Nashville Predators at Madison Square Garden (7:30p.m. — TV: MSG 2; Radio: Bloomberg Radio), as they continue their franchise record nine-game homestand. The Blueshirts currently rank fourth in the Metropolitan Division standings, and ninth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 15-15-1 (31 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Washington Capitals, 4-1, on Sunday and are now 0-1-1 on their homestand. The Blueshirts have registered a point in 13 of the last 21 games (12-8-1), and are tied for fourth in the conference and 10th in the NHL, in ROW (15). The Predators enter the contest with a 13-14-3 (29 pts) record to rank 12th in the Western Conference, and have lost five straight games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Columbus Blue Jackets on Thursday, Dec. 12.

RANGERS vs. PREDATORS:
All-Time: 9-5-1-2 overall (3-4-1-1 at home; 6-1-0-1 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the second and final meeting this season, and the first and only meeting at Madison Square Garden. New York is 1-0-0 (0-0-0 at home; 1-0-0 on the road), following a 2-0 win on Nov. 23 at Bridgestone Arena. The Rangers out-shot the Predators, 34-17, in the contest, including a 27-12 advantage after the first period. The Blueshirts’ penalty kill was 2-2 (100.0%). Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan each tallied a goal, while Mats Zuccarello registered a team-high, two assists in the contest. Cam Talbot made 17 saves in the shutout.
Last Season: Did not play. In 2011-12, New York was 1-0-0 overall (1-0-0 mark at home; 0-0-0 mark on the road), following a 3-0 win on Jan. 17, 2012 at Madison Square Garden. The Rangers’ penalty kill was 3-3 in the contest, while Dan Girardi and Ryan Callahan were among the goal scorers for the Blueshirts. Henrik Lundqvist made 27 saves in the shutout.
The Blueshirts enter the contest with a shutout streak of 179:50 against the Predators, dating back to the 5:10 mark of the first period in a 2-1 shootout victory on Nov. 27, 2010 at Nashville. The Rangers have won each of their last three games against the Predators, out-scoring Nashville, 7-1, during the stretch. The Blueshirts have won five of the last seven contests against the Predators.
New York is 5-7-1 at home; Nashville is 7-8-1 on the road. New York is 4-7-0 vs. Western Conference opponents; Nashville is 6-7-1 vs. Eastern Conference opponents.

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. PREDATORS: Henrik Lundqvist – 6 GP, 4-2-0, 1 SO, 1.50 GAA; Cam Talbot – 1 GP, 1-0-0, 1 SO, 0.00 GAA; Rick Nash – 52 GP, 20-16–36; Brad Richards – 22 GP, 5-18–23; Derick Brassard – 24 GP, 3-8–11; Anton Stralman – 14 GP, 1-2–3.

SPECIAL TEAMS:
New York is tied for first in the league with three goals in 5-on-3 situations.
The Rangers have tallied a power play goal in four of their last seven games (6-21, 28.6% over the span).
The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in 11 of the last 14 games (32-35, 91.4% over the span)
Power Play: The Rangers were 0-2 (4:00) on Sunday vs. Washington. New York ranks 12th in the NHL overall (20-103, 19.4%), and 23rd at home (7-46, 15.2%). The Rangers are 3-10 (4:24) in five-on-three situations (last – 11/25 at TBL), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read); 11/19 vs. BOS (Paille).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 2-2 (4:00) on Sunday vs. Washington. New York is tied for sixth in the NHL overall (83-97, 85.6%), and 12th at home (32-38, 84.2%). The Rangers are 2-3 (2:49) in three-on-five situations (last – 11/4 vs. ANA), and 3-5 (1:08) when three-on-four (last – 12/7 vs. NJD). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York surrendered one goal in one four-on-four situation (2:00) on Sunday vs. Washington, and are now -2 in 29 four-on-four situations (42:53) this season. Four-on-four goals for (2): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard). Four-on-four goals allowed (4): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes); 12/8 vs. WSH (Grabovski, PS).

RINGMASTERS: The Rangers have won 99-175 faceoffs (56.6%) in the last three games, including a season-high, 41 faceoff wins (41-64, 64%), in a 3-1 victory on Thursday at BUF.

SHUTTING THE DOOR: The Rangers have held opponents to two or fewer goals in 17 of the last 24 games, and 18 of the last 26. New York has allowed 51 goals over the last 24 games (2.12 GAA), and 55 goals in the last 26 games (2.12 GAA). The Blueshirts are tied for second in the NHL with four shutouts and have held opponents to two or fewer goals in 19 games this season, which is tied for fourth in the league.

MILESTONES IN SIGHT: Derek Stepan – 1 assist from 100th NHL career; Rick Nash – 1 point from 600th NHL career; Mats Zuccarello – 3 games from 100th NHL career; Derick Brassard – 7 points from 200th NHL career.

INJURIES (59 Man-Games Lost): Derek Dorsett (sprained wrist on 12/2, day-to-day) – 3; Marc Staal (injured on 12/7, out indefinitely) – 1.

RECENT TRANSACTIONS: Dec. 9 – Recalled forward Arron Asham from Hartford (AHL), and assigned forward J.T. Miller to Hartford.

 

 

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  1. Have to drive to Albany for work. Nothing like a mini snow storm. Missing 1st game in like 2 years. Not even bothered by it. Nashville will bore the hell out of the game.

    Manny- text me with breaking news

  2. Sather has 13 spots to fill, 14 with brad. $28.6 mill of space (after brad). It will get interesting

  3. 28.6 is right, after he gives POULET a 1-year $10M extension in lieu of his crucial goal is our latest game.

  4. tomb – the only worrying thing is the ever decreasing amount of decent UFA’s next summer. I fear the cap increase AND lack of talent to replace him may cause Slats to keep Richie on Broadway till he retires, inevitably before the end of his deal resulting in a distinctly non-Naslund result to our cap number!

  5. Stranger Nation on

    _The Predators have lost five straight games_
    Ripe for the picking with sliding team…

    _shutout streak of 179:50 against the Predators_
    Didn’t we also have a streak going the Craps…

    Go with Tam??

  6. Nice to see Sather’s drafting prowess at work last night as it helped beat our rivals the Isles.

    Corey Perry continues to shine , the infamous Hugh Jessiman.

    OK that is ancient history.

    The more recent Cam Fowler, now with 11 PP points this year leads the Ducks in TOI. And he is singed thru the 2018 season. Already a seasoned vet.

    We have Dylan Mc who may never make it to the NHL.
    And may never score 11 points in his entire career.

    That looked like a crazy pass up in 2010 and it has developed that way.

  7. Stranger Nation on

    Cap up but Challenge now is:
    Staal – probably can’t be traded now re damaged goods
    Girardi – lack of pro ready replacement – need to keep
    Cally – Capt, should be retained but $5M+?? for an injury risk
    Del Zotto – does he have value to move?
    Stralman – a bargain now to some
    Moore/Falk – RFAs who will get bump in pay
    Brassard – overpaid 3C, underpaid on 2C at current market rates?
    Boyle – 4th line 6’7″ 250 lbs performer needs protection
    Garbage Out – Pylon, Pullout, Moore, Powe, Asham, etc etc

    Richards – ‘they shoot horses don’t they?’ – smart observers of hockey will look at this point production and convince themselves he deserves more money and six more years.

  8. Stranger – Conor Allen was marked as a steady stay-at-home guy, they are big on him but I think he’s a leftie. I would really love to see us bring up McIlrath and let him loose – he can’t be any worse than Falk can he? He’s considerably tougher and a rightie too.

  9. I’m confused. A week ago we were worried about “cap issues” in terms of it being too low to sign Hank. Now we are worried about cap being too high? :-)

    Kidding aside, it’s astonishing to see the league recover that fast. $71M projected cap next year means that the mid-cap will be set at $61.7M, and the floor is going to be around $52M. There is no way some of the teams would be able to spend that much. Meaning that the upper echelon teams ( read NY and Toronto ) will be paying for their salaries. That includes 1 year left on Yashin’s contract and many left on Rick DiPietro’s, folks.

  10. Mcllrath indeed. Please!

    I would take *all* of those guys, Stranger.

    Lavi-eau-de-toilette would really be….amazing as the NYIsles coach. I can’t wait.

  11. And, yes, I’m worried now. When I did some numbers last week, my projection was around 7% revenue growth. Sather would have to buy Richards out. With $71M, I’m not so sure now. That would be a devastating mistake. He made one already last summer, he may get away with it providing Richards doesn’t get hurt. If he doesn’t do it next summer, then I will be posting “Fire Sather!” probably as often as Olga does now.

  12. sign Stralman now. or else sign him later for much more. Start the trading spree, best time ever to revamp this time. Unbelievabe how quick we went from a team that was a pain in the ass to play to one of the easiest to coast to a win against. plus they get to abuse us along the way…sickening.

  13. Yup. That’s the fear! Sather looks at the bank and realizes he can keep Richards through 2015 when a team trying to get to the floor wants his high hit for $1M.

  14. Boomer really loves hockey and he’s really good at analyzing the team. Thinks we need some big guys to make some hits and stop getting pwn3d in the corners. I concur. This team has *no* toughness.

  15. That article is also pretty damning of Hank and his absolutely horrendous stick handling. Any thoughts?

    It is really glaring to me when Hank plays against Brodeur and noticeably tries to come out of his net more to play the puck, which doesn’t go well.

  16. Manny:

    That was a fantastic post on that other NYR blog.

    Well worth reading and excellent analysis.

    Whomever that is knows his hockey.

  17. _Kidding aside, it’s astonishing to see the league recover that fast._

    Recovering from pretend financial struggles isn’t really that tough.

  18. Here is the paragraph on Hank’s horrendous stick handling:

    *4. Hank is the other “Star”*

    Buying Hank for seven years while you still have dozens of other problems is the equivalent of putting a 5,000.00 hood ornament on your 1985 Dodge Omni. Still that aside, he is a GREAT goalie and that never hurts, right? Well, I wouldn’t have paid him for the first reason, but there are other glaring problems with this guy’s game. *Hank’s stick handling is atrocious and people seem to dismiss that as just a minor inconvenience.* It’s not. If you ever played hockey you know how big a problem this is and how it effects everything from time in your own end, players getting needlessly walloped dozens of times per game, the energy shift the result of that very same thing, etc… This is impossible to put a number on, but it is real and it is huge. To draw a baseball analogy, if you are going to break the bank for a player, particularly an older player who you are signing for many years, most GM’s would make damned sure they were getting a FIVE-tool player. Trout, Wright, Pedroia, etc… Hank ain’t that. Sorry. He is really good…maybe even great….but he is not worth the opportunity cost. Add on top of it the fact that he, like almost all Rangers, is far too meek while playing. If he can’t use his stick on the puck, could he perhaps use it occasionally on the legs of those draped on top of him?

  19. Stick handling is very important for a goalie. Calms the D down.

    Even as much as we loved Richter it was a real weakness of his as well and showed in his last few years as team got weaker.

  20. Stranger Nation on

    Nanny – net/net all salary for next year tied up in:
    Henk/zoolander @ $8.5
    Nashed Potatoes @ $7.8
    Richie Rich @ $6.6
    Mac Daddy @ $4.7
    Stalled @ $3.95
    Step on it please @ $3.0
    Hags @ $2.25
    Dorsett @ $1.633
    Tam @ $.56 (*BEST BARGAIN EVER?*)

  21. That’s $38.99M which leaves $32.01M for improvements assuming Sather stupidly decides to keep Richie. Again.

  22. Jeff in South Dakota on

    I agree on Hank’s stick handling. A good stick handling goalie saves the D from getting hit several more times in a game than a goalie who has trouble with moving the puck. But IMO, Hank’s biggest problem is a weak glove hand. That will become even more apparent as he gets older and his reaction times slow.

  23. Stranger Nation on

    Henk/zoolander @ $8.5
    -Nashed Potatoes- @ $7.8 (trade please)
    -Richie Rich- @ $6.6 (retire please)
    Mac Daddy @ $4.7
    -Stalled- @ $3.95 (trade please)
    Step on it please @ $3.0
    Hags @ $2.25
    Dorsett @ $1.633
    Tam @ $.56 (BEST BARGAIN EVER?)

    Under $20M with ~ $40M to spend after cally/girardi/kreider

  24. carp, funny thing about that blog. Everything that was mentioned I at one time posted on here. The most glaring one is how Nash is overrated, never wanted him, said the same thing when rumors were flying. The same thing about Lundqvist, didn’t want to pay him and said it on here many times, stick handling also. Rangers are screwed, there is no other way to say it.

  25. also how Sather blew up the team after making it to the conference finals. It’s all down hill from here folks.

  26. Now you’re talking, Stranger.

    Marc Staal is a humaingous big problem if he’s concussed again (which he probably is).

    You simply cannot improve a team through UFA’s. You have to make trades or draft properly. UFA’s are always someone that the best talent evaluator, their team, doesn’t think is worth the money and now we, a team that has barely seen them play over the last few seasons, are willing to overpay. It’s a bad idea.

  27. I am definitely not Kenneth.

    I think Hank is a very valuable player, probably most valuable in shootouts where he can directly win you a point and get you into the 8th seed!

    I just don’t see in today’s NHL that a goalie should be your highest paid player and as the article points out especially when you have so may holes.

    Even if for some reason the unexpected happens and they trade off vets for draft picks do you do that with a $8.5M goalie?

  28. Cap Geeked, I agree about Lundqvist and basically said the same thing a week or two ago. Rangers are screwed, it’s all down hill from here, especially while sather is still the GM.

  29. Stadium game: Rangers score 11 disallowed goals and the Icelanders score 7 disallowed goals. Both teams leave the ice with upper and lower body injuries and will miss 6-8 weeks.

  30. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _probably most valuable in shootouts where he can directly win you a point and get you into the 8th seed!_

    Would you care to attain his career record in shootouts?

  31. The only thing that will happen now and in the future is the same crap sather has been doing since he got here. Except for the period when he hired Tort’s. Sather will fill holes by over paying for ufa’s and the rangers will be battling for the 8th seed. I’m starting to think that is the goal for this organization. Dolan is happy to get a few playoff games at the garden.

  32. Stranger Nation on

    tommy – it’s all marketing, the desire to win a cup must come from within and JD AND Slatsko could really care less.

    Torts wanted to win and they send him packing. Words and deeds, my man…words and deeds…

  33. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Torts wanted to win and they send him packing._

    Alain Vigneault doesn’t want to win?

  34. @NYP_Brooksie: ICYMI, Column: Yanks better hope they don’t miss Cano as much as NYR still miss Prust.

    Man, Brooksie has a major hard on for Prust. I think that’s the third time he’s mentioned him in the last two days.

  35. _Would you care to attain his career record in shootouts?_

    Never ask a question you don’t already know the answer to, Kenneth. Easiest way to look bad in a debate.

  36. _That’s true. But you get what he’s saying…_

    I do, but I don’t agree. 5 tool guys are awesome (I have no idea why he didn’t just use McCutchen, who is true 5 tool and signed a semi-recent long term deal), but there’s also crazy value in other guys. Miguel Cabrera is a 2 tool player.

  37. Morning all,

    Regarding Brooks on Prust:

    Yes, the Rangers miss him on the ice and in the room. He was a key component to the 2011-2012 team. No doubt about it.

    However, he just can’t stay in the lineup because of the style of game he plays. Already has missed significant time with MTL. Would have been the same with the Rangers.

  38. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Easiest way to look bad in a debate._

    It’s impossible to look badly while debating you. (:

    Does hockey reference provide Hank’s shootout record, anyone?

  39. Prust is more than just an on ice player. He’s an enigma. The Habs play harder simply because he’s on the team. He makes everyone around him tougher to play against.

  40. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _The Habs play harder simply because he’s on the team. He makes everyone around him tougher to play against._

    Pigs fly, too.

  41. @KatieStrangESPN 1m

    #NYR Derek Dorsett (wrist) is on the ice for Rangers morning skate. Marc Staal is not.

  42. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Hank is 45-30 career in shootouts. 60% .

    CapGeeked,
    By your original comment, a reasonable person would have thought his win % was closer to 75%. He doesn’t even have the best shootout win % of goalies.

  43. But, Kenneth, Hank is the *BEST* in the league. Most other goalies lose a TON more.

    And *WINNING* the shootout doesn’t say anything about Hank’s skill level. That relies heavily on the guys shooting.

    Hanks *Save* Percentage is pretty amazing.

  44. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    CapGeeked, Manny,
    Well debated. I didn’t see save % among the stats. Hank is excellent in shootouts, second only to Marc Andre Fleury.

  45. An unreasonable person would have expected a .700 win percentage and Hank is only waaaaaaay down at .600. He isn’t good at shootouts and also no one is good at shootouts because he’s near the top.

  46. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Leave it to Manny and CapGeeked to represent their opinion with relevant stats, meanwhile Mr D is off in his own dreamworld (:

  47. I’m going to list a few people I would rather have centering my fourth line over Dominic Moore:

    Kris Newbury
    Zenon Konopka
    Darroll Powe
    John Mitchell

  48. That’s good news. 2 stupidhead offsides shouldn’t be canceled by a long range fluke tip in.

    Pyatt and Pouliot for Pacioretty … don’t worry about the cap space.

  49. Well that’s the *good news* for today.

    Looks like AV is taking a page out of Tort’s notes left behind, when in doubt add more GRIT.

    Which rookie scores on the Rangers tonight…..Jones?

  50. Rob in Beantown on

    Staal has a *concussion,* which is bad, but apparently it isn’t a *bad concussion,* so that’s good?

  51. Stranger Nation on

    *Pouliot and Pyatt scratched. Dorsett and Asham go in*

    Finally, I mean, o my goodness gracious; what took you so long.

  52. Rob in Beantown on

    I think every *concussion* is bad when you are Marc Staal, but then again I am not a *doctor*

  53. Only way this could be better is if, instead of Asham, it was grit that is also good at playing hockey. But I’ll take it as a half measure.

  54. Manny good luck with Jagr in the hit and block category. He’s a lot like Nash & Gaborik, if he doesn’t score there’s nothing on the stat sheet, except a handful of shots.

  55. @NYRangersZone *Marc Staal has concussion*, Vigneault confirms, though “not as serious as in the past”, but concussion is a concussion nonetheless #NYR

    There’s the quote on it….Thanks, The Doctor.

  56. Rob in Beantown on

    Asham can play 4th line on my hockey team whenever he wants. He has better offensive instincts and a better shot than 2/3 of the Rangers roster as currently comprised

  57. PullOUT & Pyatt – that’s an addition just by subtraction.

    Lets face it the bar isn’t very high to jump over them.

    This should help in the hits, blocks, PIM. Not so sure about the goals.

  58. Yes but Sather is paying Asham $1 million and Pouliot $1.7. Prust is twice the player of both of them combined and only wanted $2.5 million. The Nash trade was fine as long as the rest of team remained intact. Instead Sather turned over half the forwards for no reason.

  59. Stranger Nation on

    _PullOUT & Pyatt – that’s an addition just by subtraction_

    post of the day!! You go Sioux

    BTW – what’s the temp today out in the Badlands?

  60. Stranger Nation on

    Let our pluggers plug and the dancers dance. If both do their job, the other team doesn’t have the puck as much and we don’t have to fear high glove side shots on Henk.

  61. Sounds like AV is trying to jump start their compete level. Asham, and especially Dorsett, bring a little more energy to the lineup. Along with toughness. He is right, it’s surprising how little energy this team has been able to generate lately.

  62. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _My DREAM 4th line next season:_

    _Westgarth – J. Mitchell – Dorsett_

    My dream 4th line plays only 5 minutes a game because our other 3 lines are so good.

  63. I know, Rob. I thought about it and I think I take John Mitchell at half the cost instead of *Boyle*

    But that’s just my opinion today.

  64. Stranger Nation on

    From Commodore article on Arniel
    _The next season he tried the same tactics with Derrick Brassard, another single guy making good money, but fortunately for Derrick – Arniel got canned before he could finish him off_
    Answer – Brassard has to get married or pray for a trade

    Frankly, the guy looks like Sully, always pissed off and not really a player’s coach. With AV calling out players in the media at every turn and Mr. Warmth ‘Arneil’ as his henchmen, who would have thought Ulfie was needed to connect with the players. Good thing Henk complained about Torts…
    One solution: FIRE SATHER!

  65. Fish Story

    I’m just a sole whose intentions are good
    Please, Lord, don’t let me be misunderstood.

  66. Mamma Staal will probably order him to retire and order his brothers to kick in to his retirement program.

  67. I’m actually looking forward to tonight’s game. I wish it were against a tougher tough that’s playing really well like the Habs.

    I’m anxious to see this teams response to AV’s minor hissy fit as well as the little “closed door -party- meeting” the other night.

  68. Dors will be challenged by unethical goons until he proves his hand works, thus Ash. Large admission starting both, long time coming.

  69. I rearry rove this brog. Rots of posts that reave me raughing rearry hard. Great prace wit rots of great broggers.

  70. True that Cam takes some pressure off the D so long as the forwards are actively participating on the breakout.

  71. When Staal threw his helmet in the runway, I had the feeling that he was, in addition to being disgusted with what he thought might be another concussion, disgusted with this team’s unwillingness or inability to police headhunters.

  72. SN – it was a little nippy in the morning -16 below. We have a heat wave coming rolling through now its up to zero, but when you add in the wind it’s a WC of -20.

    Space heater fried the outlet behind my desk, so we are off to a good start.

  73. In some distant galaxy, many lights years in the future, some terrestrial being will hack into the blog to find Eddie’ s early morning dump post.

  74. ‘I tried so hard,my dear,to show that you’re my every dream
    Yet you’re afraid each thing I do is just some evil scheme
    A memory from your lonesome past keeps us so far apart
    Why can’t I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold, cold heart?’

  75. future alien being landing on earth in early AM gas station, reconnoiters the area and returns to spaceship with report” These humans can’t speak or ambulate, but are very well hung.

  76. Stranger Nation on

    Soux – someone posted yesterday, I just searched “commodore, arneil, BJs, unhappy, no finish, going down, Johnson” and the article came up…

    the snow looks nice in NY area

  77. I see Glen Sather (quietly) turned 70 years of age on September 2nd. He wants to run this team for how many more years? It’s really true he has a “lifetime contract?” How many years has he been here? How many Stanley Cups has he won? How many trips to the Stanley Cup Finals?

    I am not hearing one word about a timetable for his “retirement.” How long does the current deteriorating situation have to fester, in conjunction with this man’s having accomplished nothing other than building and tearing down, building and tearing down, and building and tearing down his own model of what a team should look like, first young players replacing older players, than older players replacing young players etc?

    When he dumped the kids he acquired in the Leetch trade – for journeymen older players, we all should have seen the merry-go-round this franchise would be on for another two decades. This is a man who spends/wastes his employer’s money, while lining his own pockets. At what point does the owner hold this glorified embezzler accountable, because he is a snake, a con man, and a hustler?

    This is brutal. I don’t understand how James Dolan is otherwise successful in business, given his grotesque incompetence in the department of his hockey operation. I really don’t think James Dolan gives a rat’s ass about his nuisance toy called the New York Rangers which, grudgingly, comes as part of the Madison Square Garden conglomerate.

  78. JR – “My acumen is only rivaled by my fastidious propensity to analyze the robust nature of the game.”

  79. Rob in Beantown on

    How often have you considered replacing the water bottle on your net with a can of Cheez Whiz? #AskBrodeur

  80. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I’d take stastny and phanuef in a heartbeat.

    No way we keep secretariat!…right?

    I’d look at engelland as well, orpik if healthy.

    I’d send Staal to Carolina for anything from westgarth to ruutu to Gleason.

    Depending on who is available as a D in trade or ufa, would depend on what I did with OPG. I really think he is ideally a 2nd pair guy.

    Need to add a playable toughness light heavy or heavy and a top 6 guy that can scrap some and score at least 20.

  81. Stranger Nation on

    Wicks – what about Steen? two way forward who is having a career year – sounds like a perfect Sltasko signing?

  82. JR says that he, too, would have kneed Marchand if he had that opportunity, but he knows it was wrong and Neal should have been given harsher penalty. This guy is some yo-yo. His mind is like a bubble gum machine; Shake him and any inanity in it comes tumbling out his mouth.

  83. Does that mean in 10 years Neal will be crying on national television because he never got to win a Cup but one of his former teams did?

  84. Like the honest assessment from Ash, but didn’t like him saying he’ll fight “if I have to.” Implying that this team needs BIG, young toughness with scoring ability. He’s correct.

  85. Imagine watching Nash as a teenager, with his size, moves, speed, ice vision, and stick handling abilities? You would wonder how great he would develop to be.

  86. If Nash just said the hell with it, and floated like Richie, he might score 50. Might be a minus ten, though.

  87. Here are some awesome FORWARD lines if anyone is interested in picking them apart or yelling at me or laughing at me or whatever you want really:

    1. Evander Kane – P. Stastny – Ryan Callahan
    2: The Kreider – D. Stepan – Brent Burns
    3. Matt Moulson – JT Miller – D. Dorsett
    4. K. Westgarth – John Mitchell – Colton Orr

  88. I liked Nash more when he was a power forward that hit people. He’s not the same player he was when we first got him.

    If he doesn’t score, the team is flat.

  89. Manny there are ALOT of players that look good there.
    Kane & Burns would fit right in. I’d take ORR back in a heartbeat.

  90. _Anybody want to pick up Moulson in the off season?_

    How about we just pick up a case of Molson before the game, and call it good :)

  91. I had to get rid of a lot of guys to make those “trades” as you can see.

    I’m seriously considering this team in need of a rebuild and I think we have to identify a core and move on.

    Here is what I think is the *Core*

    Goalies: Hank, Talbot
    Defenseman: McDonagh
    Forwards: Stepan, Callahan, Kreider

    Some guys that are under contract and I would bring back because they can’t fetch much are: JT Miller, Dorsett and Mcllrath (because I want him up here)

  92. Talbot is a guy I would bring back as the backup because he’s affordable and has flashed some brilliance in the role.

    Didn’t mean to leave him in the *core*

  93. Nash/Boyle for *Pacioretty*

    Del Zotto, Miller and Hagelin for *Evander Kane*

    Sign some UFA’s and build! Win!

  94. 1. Evander Kane – P. Stastny – Ryan Callahan
    2: The Kreider – D. Stepan – M. Pacioretty
    3. Matt Moulson – JT Miller – D. Dorsett
    4. K. Westgarth – John Mitchell – Colton Orr

  95. Cap geek@8:39, just caught your comment re: Fowler whom I have mentioned on this blog many times as another of our drafting mistakes.

    And been ridiculed by a few blog “experts”!

    Manny, what a sound proposal, might we term the roster “rotten to the core”? (;)

  96. This team lost it’s identity when Torts was fired.

    Let’s face it, they established their new identity as a soft .500 team, that can’t score.

    I’m sure Asham will fix EVERYTHING, and we will be back to winning games.

  97. Tickets on Stubhub for tonight’s game are CHEAP. $31 for 400’s and $40 for Lower Level 200’s.

  98. Graves – Let’s face it we should have drafted him. He has 4 years of NHL experience, 228 games, 99 points. And it scoring on the Ducks Power Play. Don’t forget about the GOLD medal he helped win for the USA.

    McIlrath is a solid 4 years behind him in every stat except PIM.

  99. *the kindergarten table* let’s face it Manny.

    The kid is lost on the island of misfit toys.

  100. _Manny I’m just saying McBust is 4 years behind Fowler in NHL experience._

    That’s a “bad now, good later” kinda thing.

  101. And watching Fowler win the gold medal on the U18 team vs the Russians, and NOT picking him. Wrong on so many levels. I’m not just saying that, because the games were here in Fargo and I got to see them all. The kid really was one of the best players on Defense. He stood out, played a lot of top minutes against Tarasenko’s line and shut them down.

    And until the day comes along to prove me wrong, he will be known as McBUST. (I really do want to see him play, and succeed).

  102. I’d rather have Bjugstad than Fowler. He has *cool size* and also isn’t a *left* handed defenseman.

  103. If McIlrath becomes his upside, people will lose their damn minds trying to out love each other for him.

  104. First Goal tonight, on his first shot – Seth Jones!

    The 19 year old rookie, against Hank.

    That’s almost a given for tonight….. right?

  105. The real question for tonight’s game is:

    “How many times will POULET go offsides?”

    or alternatively,

    “How many offensive penalties will POULET commit?”

    or alternatively,

    “How many times will POULET go in the box?”

    or alternatively,

  106. Damn, y’all. We should go back like post lockout until now and redraft just our spot. Just 1st round, and you have to take a guy picked before our 2nd round pick (to avoid just searching out the next Cam Talbot).

  107. Bjugstad is a forward for the Panthers now. He’s just like Kreider, who wouldn’t want another future hall of famer!!!

    Was he available when the Rangers drafted McBust?

  108. Pouliot’s been scratched, Pimp

    guess Vigneault wasn’t swayed by his meaningless goal the other night

  109. Anaheim, most points in NHL, Cam Fowler leads that team in TOI.

    5th in scoring, 11 power play points. Don’t see the DZ comparison.

    Dylan Mac we are hopeful but at this point it is just hope not reality. Possibly he will develop but he was an early cut in pre-season.

  110. He was. OOPs I guess they will have to add him to the list of could have beens.

    Taransenko
    Bjugstad
    Charlie Coyle
    Brock Nelson
    Jaden Schwartz – 19pts already for the Blues.

    But they drafted a big tough guy for the blue line. Instead of all these players that were in the Gold Medal Game.

    McIlrath wasn’t even on team Cananda. Which the US beat in the semi’s that year.

  111. He is/was more than a “work in progress” type of pick to take him in the 1’st round.

  112. Cullen’s a friend of mine, so it’s always fun watching him play.

    Hornqvist is a player I would deal Brassard for in a New York minute.

    Jones is the real deal at 19.

    It should be a good game for 2 .500 teams. Flip a coin who wins????

  113. Hard to believe McIlrath would have gone in the 1st round if not the idiocy that is Glenn Sather

  114. Year Drafted New Pick
    2005 Staal Oshie (based on Staal’s injuries)
    2006 Sanguinetti Giroux
    2007 Cherepanov Pacioretty
    2008 MotZ Eberle
    2009 Kreider Kreider
    2010 McIlrath Tarasenko (but it’s early)
    2011 Miller Miller
    2012 Skjei Skjei (also early, maybe Matteau)

  115. Meanwhile we flounder at .500 and we don’t call up McIlrath for some toughness. When Staal goes out.

    Why NOT?

  116. Nice Gravy – lots of scoring potential there!

    Just imagine if we had that fire power on this team.

  117. Give Sather/Clark kudos for drafting Kreider he was a take a shot as they drafted him out of High School Prep.

  118. Nashville vs Rangers – another game that I’m sure will pack the fans in tonight.

    It was more fun when it was Trots vs Torts :)

  119. when looked at according to that, ’06 and ’10 are the only unequivocal headscratchers since neither Sanguinetti nor McIlrath were ever profiled to be the the kind of player worthy of being picked top 20.

  120. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Obviously the rangers drafted a need with mcilrath (whether they should have is up for debate).

    The mad bomber was the “apparent offencive d man” at the time and we had zippo bangers.

    I personally would have taken gudbranson over Mcilrath or fowler, but he was gone already. No way I’d take fowler even if I didn’t take mcilrath (especially considering the coach at the time).

    Mcilrath still would have went in the first, reports of Dallas wanting to take him with their pick.

    Matter over skjel should have been a no brainer.

  121. _when looked at according to that, ‘06 and ‘10 are the only unequivocal headscratchers since neither Sanguinetti nor McIlrath were ever profiled to be the the kind of player worthy of being picked top 20._

    That’s been my argument all along; we don’t draft stars because we very rarely have stars available when we draft. If Kreider pans out as a legit 1st line power forward, that’s a massive win.

  122. Multiples.

    Gravy, your post re:Fowler is called damning with faint praise, no? And yes most 18yr. olds need a few years to develop, Stepan? Staal is still in the developmental stage,MDZ, Haglelin, Kreider?

    Coos and co., last night’s battle of the Johnsons was awesome, did anyone mention that Johnson has some motor?

  123. Also worth noting that, at the time, Fowler looked like you would basically be re-drafting MDZ. Lefty, offense first d-men.

    Drafting for need is bad if it causes you to reach, but if you potential fast movers you have to atleast be cognizant of what young players are in front.

  124. It’s scary how far back you have to go to find a 1st round draft pick forward that had an offensive impact.

    Probably Kovalev in 1991! Sundstrom in ’93 was OK.

    Hopefully Kreider ended that streak.

    I guess that is why they had to rely so much on UFA.

  125. Comn, that’s kinda my point because everyone has given up on MotZ, even though he produced similarly to Fowler his first few years.

    MD, definitely shouldn’t draft for NHL need. Most players take 3-4 years to develop, and your needs will probably be different. It’s not like the NFL where you slot players in almost immediately.

    You can, however, draft for AHL/prospect need.

  126. So…. *you* guys will appreciate this (especially those of you who like to make fun of me):

    Last week someone at work told me I look like a *white* Jonas Brother. (I’m white)

    Today, on twitter, while arguing with some moronic Phlyers Phan in defense of the greatest twitter account ever (@SinceFlyersCup) the Phlyers fan called me A JONAS BROTHER!

  127. going to have some Ranger draft fun. I realize that these kinds of things aren’t necessarily fair since as rounds go by it means a lot of other teams are guilty of overlooking good players but given the Rangers utter draft ineptitude, I can’t let them off the hook for anything. will omit the last few including the atrocious McIlrath pick andonly go back 10 seasons.

    2002
    2nd round: Lee Falardeau over Jarret Stoll, Duncan Keith and Jiri Hudler

    2003:
    1st round: Hugh Jessiman over Dustin Brown, Brent Seabrook, Zach Parise, Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler, Mike Richards and Corey Perry
    2nd round: Ivan Baranka over Corey Crawford, David Backes and Jimmy Howard

    2004:
    1st round: Al Montoya over Drew Stafford and Radulov
    Lauri Korpikoski over Mike Green
    3rd round: Billy Ryan over Alexander Edler and Johan Franzen

    2005
    2nd round: Sauer over Paul Stastny
    3rd round: Brodie Dupont over Jonathan Quick

    2006
    1st round: Bobby Sanguinetti over Claude Giroux

    2007
    going to omit Chrepanov because of his premature death
    2nd round: Antoine Lafleur over Wayne Simmonds

    2008
    1st round: Del Zotto over Jordan Eberle
    3rd round: Grachev over Adam Henrique

  128. _MD, definitely shouldn’t draft for NHL need._

    The one thing about “don’t draft for need” mantra is that it assumes the need player is inferior. If you’re picking a 6.5 grade over an 8.5, yeah, that’s probably pretty dumb. But if its an 8.0 over an 8.5 because he fits your org and needs better? Close enough for me. Like if Edmonton was once again picking first this year, I wouldn’t blame them for going Jones over the forwards even if he didn’t sit atop their draft board. In fact, I’d probably like it.

  129. I’d like to see the comments on this blog if Cam Fowler played in NY for four years with his defensive prowess he showed in Anaheim.

  130. WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT MDZ HAVE YOU SEEN HOW HE’S PLAYING IN EDMONTON WHY DID WE EVER TRADE HIM AND KEEP FOWLER AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

  131. I would sure like to tank the season and draft MacKeown or Ekblad. Those are two defensive studs.

  132. That’s no fun, Manny. You get movement from drafting elite offensive players and finding defense in dump trades with canadian teams.

  133. “Torts is a moron because he keeps playing this kid who does very little on PP and is -24 even strength.”
    “At least this 6-5, 230 kid can throw some bombs, and we’ll be a force when he comes up. Should’ve drafted him instead”

    “Flower has zippo hockey IQ. He is a borderline AHL defenseman at best. Sather is a moron”.

  134. there are some successful GM’s who will not draft Dmen in the first round because of how long they take to develop.

  135. Lloyd, were you an attorney presenting that closing argument re: Ranger draft ineptitude.

    The jury would have given you a standing O!

    Bravo!

  136. “bull dog line

    there are some successful GM’s who will not draft Dmen in the first round because of how long they take to develop.”

    all the more reason why an incompetent old fool like Glenn Sather shouldn’t go anywhere near a defenseman

  137. Comn, not defending Sather because he stinks, but Lloyd even prefaced it with a caveat. You could probably use that same argument for at least 20 GMs if you go through the drafts like that.

  138. Capgeek, the reason why Sappy Sather relied on UFA’s was to support his absurd comment that.

    “Anyone could win if they had the Rangers money”!

    This is known as the Steinbrenner syndrome and of course it did work for “anyone”.

    But the “Boob Of Broadway”, make that “Boobs” when including the owner still haven’t figured it out.

    “Anyone” but them!

  139. 2004: 4 th round, Ruan Callahan. Andrew Sarauer, David Laliberte, Karel Hromas, Kris Hogg, Mitch Maunu and many more similar names went before him.

  140. Exactly, ilb. You can say his draft record stinks because he missed players in the 3rd round, but call him lucky with Callahan and Lundqvist. It’s either/or.

  141. Worst part was they missed the playoffs 7 years in a row and really did not build up the system much. Might be ancient history but they are still feeling effects of that.

    They had no number 1 or 2 last year.

    Is there anyone in the system to look forward to? Not sure.

  142. I can go and spend more time looking at those drafts where we got Stepan, Dubinsky, Anisimov etc. Sather’s drafting hasn’t been great, but the truth is, unless you draft first five, it’s often a hit or miss. Even then you can get an Alexandre Daigle. Many other GMs made massive mistakes drafting or not drafting players, the problem in NY- they haven’t been bad enough to draft a sure thing.

  143. let’s be clear: the Rangers inability to draft long precedes Glenn Sather, he’s simply extending the legacy. his personnel moves along with his drafts put him into elite oaf territory, though.

    and if you look at the list of names the Rangers have missed out on, it’s going to be a really hard sell to say Callahan and Henrik Lundqvist even out missing on no fewer than 17 top-6 forwards, 4 top-4 defensemen and 3 starting goalies in the last decade.

  144. The players most agree are the “core” (Lundqvist, Callahan, McD, Kreider, Stepan) were either drafted, or traded for as minor leaguers, without giving anything significant up. Also, Dubinsky, Anisimov, and Erixon (who fall into the aforementioned categories) turned into Nash, which was the right move at the time.

  145. So, what NYR team are we going to see tonight? We have a backup goalie and a team that hasn’t won in its last 6. Smells like trouble to me.

  146. But Boston did draft all in the 2nd round, Krejci,Lucic and Bergeron. Quite a record.

    A big reason for their success.

    Not sure if NYR assistant GM was there those years and his influence.

  147. Cap Geeked, the 7 years of no playoffs resulted in such gems as Cherneski, Malhotra, Brendl, Lundmark, Blackburn, Jessiman, and Montoya.

  148. Lundqvist, Callahan, McDonagh, Kreider and Stepan are all indisputably good picks (at least to my way of thinking which is why I left them off that list).

    with regard to Dubinsky, you could certainly debate that pick. Rangers selected him over David Krejci who’d I take over Dubinsky in a heartbeat.

  149. Sather Must Go! on

    Mcilrath was a big reach in the first round..I remember all the “experts” were very surprised..same with Big Hugh and Sanguenetti… Sather draft record is terrible…I have always contended that he had very little to do with the late rounds (i.e. Lundqvist)

    Kinda off topic question: The Krieder for Evander Kane, straight up?

  150. Stranger Nation on

    The draft is a crap shoot at best after the first 5 picks. Just never understood why they didn’t draft more centers with size as that position is the hardest to fill on the roster and you could always move them to wing.

  151. Gravy &2001, of course your disclaimers are correct but.

    A),who cares what other GM’s have done?

    2), why has this franchise produced so little in legitimate prospects?

    3),why has our “system” failed to produce one #1 defenseman and thus far with the caveat of Kreider not produced one legitimate power forward with scoring ability?

    Finally the idea in any business is to be better than everyone else or at least competitive.

    Do you see this or are we doomed to terminal averageness, or as Brooks called it today mediocrity?

  152. I know people that would do that trade. I would not. I would however trade Haggy, Miller, and DelZ for him. I love Hags, and Miller has some good potential, but Kane in Kane. He is what this team lacks. He is somewhere in between what Kreider is now and what Nash is on his best day. I would love to have Nash, Kreider, and Kane all on this team together. We would miss Haggy’s speed for sure, but Kane has some jets on him as well. And he also has this…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_5dGJLvPR4

  153. Stranger, Falardeau was about 6’5″.

    But he sucked! I believe they also drafted a kid from Notre Dame awhile back with size.

    But he entered the priesthood!!! (;)

  154. I think it would be almost impossible to find a team with a poorer record of drafting top-3 to 6 forwards and top pair d-men in the last few decades than the Rangers.

  155. The Kreider really hasn’t proved anything much yet. He has size, speed, and a nasty whip shot and slapper, all of which he showed up with. I will now go into another room temporarily while the bottles and fists fly.

  156. I don’t think Kreider has proved much of anything yet either but he’s showed me enough to not want to trade him for a long while

  157. Someone (not me), should go through top 6 forwards and top pair d-men on each team and see how many were actually drafted by the team they are on. I would venture to guess, more often than not, the players came from other teams.

  158. There is something to be said for poverty, chastity, and obedience. Someone smarter than I, please elucidate.

  159. Comnsense- I lived in Northern NJ for 8 years, I know how you feel :-).
    I also to Naples, FL every so often. I tend to feel much better there. Hang in there, buddy :-)

  160. Sather Must Go! on

    Nasty – the “that” is what I think makes the “K” for “K” trade possible – he is gritty..I would do that three for one all day – but I am sure Slats would throw in a second rder, if asked.. I hate trading picks – hence hated the Gabby trade (recall: Columbus had three 3 #1 picks last yr, we had none)

  161. Coos, the jury is definitely still out on Kreider, but he has looked much better this year. Won’t know for sure for another 2-3 years.

  162. If I am Slats I call the Peg and ask about the deal. Those 3 for Kane straight up. If they want a pick as well, then they have to throw something else in to sweeten the deal, and not a barely roster player. That is two good roster players, and a prospect who pretty much is NHL ready.

  163. Sather Must Go! on

    I really Thinks Torts knew something about Kreider and his (albeit way overused) “learning to be a pro” – I see some shortcomings with his on ice actions (maybe off ice too?)

  164. I make these two moves:

    Nash/Boyle for *Pacioretty*
    Del Zotto, Miller and Hagelin for *Evander Kane*

  165. The only thing with that Manny, is that we are subtracting 5 players for 2. How do we fill out the rest of the roster?

  166. I don’t care. This is not a WIN NOW move it’s for next season and beyond. Sign John Mitchell, Kevin Westgarth and Matt Moulson as UFA’s and build around that.

  167. I don’t want to part with Nash either. The organization won’t anyway. We gave up a pretty decent amount to get him. He is here for a while.

  168. Sather Must Go! on

    go back to Torts ice time system – fill out the rest of the roster with cheap out of work goons – ice time problem solved. toughness problem solved.

  169. unless you think Nash’s worth is diminished based on his contract and concussion history, you’re overpaying for Pacioretty with that trade

  170. Comsnse, Wouldn’t insist Rangers take a vow of poverty, but is chastity and obedience too much to ask?

  171. The draft history really is sad and pathetic.

    Yes, it goes beyond Sather. Neil Smith had some major clunkers in his last several years. He had some good drafts earlier, though.

  172. Just sent this tweet to Evander. “@EKane9JETS Would it be at all possible for you to demand a trade to the NYR?? At least think about it. Thanks in advance.”

    Hey, it worked for Nash. Just saying. :/

  173. Coos, please be respectful about “the vows”, the Jesuit commandos are everywhere.

    I checked this with Dan Brown! (;)

    2001, I am in Jupiter for the season if you ever get to the east coast and am doing pennance by remaining in North Jersey for the holidays! lol

  174. Rob, we did not forget about Stepan, as Emanuel has noted he’s part of our “core”.

    Unfortunately, we’ve been more “cored” than having a core!

  175. Carp,

    Smith landed some of the key guys and also traded away (necessarily, I guess) some of the best draft picks the team has ever had. And it’s after that Kovalev pick in ’91 that this team’s woes in the draft really began in earnest.

  176. EdwardIII, just noted your 11:01.

    You young ones give great peristalsis!

    Actually it would be a great idea for the NHL…….”waves of contraction”?

  177. I can quote that entire play verbatim, coos

    and for bonus points, I can intermingle it with any Honeymooners line

  178. Yup. Malhotra turned out to be a good NHL player for a long time, but not worthy of that pick. Marc Savard wasn’t a bad pick until Matt Cooke came along. Brendl and Lundmark, obviously, were flat-out disasters as much as Jessiman.

    Can it open a can?

  179. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    I am very disappointed with Step’s play this year. I guess I like the kid. Got a great smile, you know? Haven’t seen it much this year, though.

    He has been a slow starter for his first few years. Did lack of camp affect him THAT much?? This ‘system’ is highlighting his lack of speed. He has not had the same crisp, creative passes. He is missing a ton of backchecking responsibilities. BUt MOST blaring is his fear, flat out fear, to shoot on the PP. Unless a coach saw it and changed it, watch tonight if he’s on the PP.

    He’s definitely not a 1 this year. And, despite the lack of quality of all our players (The Kreider aside), I have doubts he’s a 2 on a real team.

    HOpe he improves.

  180. Relative to draft position, the last 10 years or so really haven’t been that bad. Nothing elite, but not bad.

  181. ‘All women become like their mothers.
    That is their tragedy.
    No man does, and that is his.’

    Wilde, ‘The Importance of…’

  182. 18 top-6 forwards, 4 top-4 defensemen and 3 starting goalies in the last decade, Mister D. evidently, we have very different concepts of “not bad.”

  183. matty"WeShouldWearPinkPanties"Boy on

    So, Dorsett earns $1.6M. Anyone think for what he does, that’s overpaid?? No one here seems to complain about it.

    Let’s see. He fights, but he never wins. He adds minimally to team morale because he fights, but always gets beaten up. He has totally lead hands, rarely scores. Can play some on the PP. What else?

    And, Asham earns $1M. He’s so bad that he’s already passed waivers. Lucky he gets this second chance. What does he do? Can’t PP. Plays average defense. Has a good wrister, but doesn’t get used enough to shoot. And, he occasionally wins a fight.

    Hmmmmm….2 roster spots….total of $2.6M….and not much help.

    I’d rather have Prust. One spot. Actually, after goint to FA, costs about the same. Fights about the same, but KNOWS the spot to fight to pick the team up. Has a chance at winning. Can score. Can PP. Has been an ok shorthanded player.

    Rather have him than the 2 above. Unfortunate. Very unfortunate.

  184. _18 top-6 forwards, 4 top-4 defensemen and 3 starting goalies in the last decade, Mister D. evidently, we have very different concepts of “not bad.”_

    There’s just not a lot of impact players taken below our 1st round slot. Sure, later round guys sometimes hit, but we’ve gotten value there too. I just think there should be a break from the last decade (really not bad) and the one before that (horrific disaster).

  185. Re: Lundqvist puck handling dis- ability.

    He has none, is however a terrific positional goalie with excellent reflexes.

    Hmm., substitute “lady of the evening” for goalie!

    This is why there is no serious hockey aficionado (That’s a foreign hockey fan) who takes any comparison with Marty seriously.

    I still maintain we’ve won nothing with him and now have him at on absurd 8 year deal, that the market should have been explored.

    You do not win with one very good player in a team sport.

    Plante, Dryden,Roy,Brodeur etc. did not win only because of their efforts.

  186. Are we counting Callahan as a top-six forward? Or are we anointing Kreider based on this short sample? Stepan top six? I think he’s a legit second-liner.

  187. As of right this moment? Callahan and Stepan are the two top-6 forwards. I think Kreider will be in there but isn’t yet.

  188. I can forgive Step’s temporary lack of efficiency, but I cannot forgive lazy backchecking from anyone.

  189. Carp, Cally is a top six guy with the right line components. His size and style are not conducive to a long career however.

    Kreider is “anointed” because he “looks” the part of the power forward everyone has been waiting for,but it is premature.

    Stepan is solid second line guy but again needs components to compliment him.

    A healthy Nash and a strong wing like Kane would be a very formidable line IMO.

    The issue is we do not have enough wings with size etc. and we do not have a first line center, hopefully with some size.

    Then we might live with Stepan as our #1 center.

  190. BTW, re: Prust, is that really this missing ingredient on this roster?

    Nonsense, Prust a great 3-4 line guy with heart and the kind of style fans like.

    But this team would be no better with him than with a Barnaby type player. He benefitted from Torts system!

    There are simply too many holes to fill and one 3-4 guy rubbing Boyle’s butt is not the answer, and being pounded nightly trying to be the team’s enforcer is not the answer.

  191. Taylor Pyatt, Dominic Moore, Benoit Poulliot, Michael Del Zotto and Anton Stralman are big parts of why this team isn’t very good. In addition, the Rangers have a 6’7″ 250lb 4th-line center who plays like a 150 lb Swede, a whatever line center called Derrick Brassard who hasn’t really looked like much of anything apart from a few games in the playoffs last season, an albatross whose best days are behind him and is a $6.7 million cap hit until the year 2021, two talented but underachieving forwards named Stepan and Callahan, a world class goalie who’s been not very good more than he’s been very good, etc., etc.

  192. leetchhalloffame on

    Dear Santa – Here is my Christmas wish list:
    1.) Sather goes missing after an avalanche while hiking in the Swiss Alps.
    2.) McIlrath becomes a real NHL player and not another 1st round Rangers bust.
    3.) Sather found 5 years later but has amnesia and thinks he works for the Ice Capades.
    4.) The Rangers stop performing like the Ice Capades.
    5.) Brandon Prust and Colton Orr return to Rangers in their prime, as in when the Rangers let them leave town.
    6.) Dolan invests all his money with the next Madoff and has to sell the team.
    7.) Sam Rosen stops the ridiculous comb-over, dark hair in his late 60’s thing.
    8.) Brian Boyle actually wins an NHL fight.
    9.) Kreider becomes what we thought Nash would be.
    10.) I live long enough to see another Rangers Stanley Cup win.

  193. We did really well with the

    Atta boy, Lloyd. Agree re: Pyatt, D. Moore, Pouliot, Del Zotto and Stralman. Semi agree on Brassard due to cost

  194. Leetch, that will have to be hiking (or golfing or fishing) in Banff or Palm Springs, though. And if you really want a Christmas wish, why not have him go work for Philly, NJ, NYI, Pittsburgh or any other team in the Least?

    Boyle will win a fight after he leaves the Rangers and comes back to play against the Rangers.

  195. leetchhalloffame on

    All good points Carp. And if my wife Trixie is watching and when I get home she tells me “I told you so” I’m gonna punch her right in the mouth.

  196. Carp,

    Totally agree that statistically Richards has been all you could one. I’m actually seeing from him irrespective of points looks like the same old crap from a year ago but if the rest of the time were playing better, you could probably live with what you’re getting from him and not complain too much.

  197. I just think he’s skating better, definitely working the power play better. Still soft as custard and a nightmare defensively.

  198. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Can’t complain about defense when he leads the team in scoring.

  199. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    There’s no way to quantify that, he’s one of 6 team players on the ice at the time of a goal against. Unless you are relying on +/-, the worst stat in hockey.

  200. This will make a BUNCH of you guys happy:

    @Edmc28 *Pouliot* just got yelled at by security for not having a wrist band in the delta club. Made my night. #NYR

  201. I’m waiting on my PEI WEI takeout order … and I’m wondering …

    Closed-door meeting:

    “Gentle men, Pei Wei tonight’s on me … everyone want the lettuce wraps again?”

  202. Carp, do you write all your blog material in the wee hours?

    Do you also do a column on this or any other sport for this paper?

    Are you syndicated in any other papers like Zip, Podell etc.?

    Do you consider yourself a 4th. or 5th. estate journalist?

  203. Please tell me I’m not imagining it. The pee pee boys are healthy scratches tonight ???

    Please, no Pouliot, no Pyatt.

    Please confirm, please.

  204. Stranger Nation on

    Richards still has the hands and remarkably is able to hustle once he crosses the red line, but he is not a center anymore save for Facing off. They do not a first line center and it is not Step’s fault. He would be a very effective 2C, but has become an under-performing 1C.

  205. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Obviously he’s TGO, but Gretzky never played defense. He had Kurri as a linemate to play defense, not all 5 skaters need to play defense.

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