Jets at Rangers tonight (7 p.m.) … pre-game notes

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Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

NEW YORK RANGERS vs. WINNIPEG JETS
Monday, Dec. 2, 7:00 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 14-13-0 (28 pts)
Jets: 12-12-4 (28 pts)

TONIGHT’S GAME
The Rangers will face-off against the Winnipeg Jets at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m. — TV: MSG Network; Radio: ESPN 98.7), in their fourth game in six days. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Metropolitan Division standings, and eighth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 14-13-0 (28 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Vancouver Canucks, 5-2, on Saturday at Madison Square Garden, and have now won 11 of their last 17 games. The Blueshirts are tied for third in the conference, and eighth in the NHL, in ROW (14). The Jets enter the contest with a 12-12-4 (28 pts) record to rank 11th in the Western Conference, and have lost five of their last seven games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Buffalo Sabres on Thursday, Dec. 5, at First Niagara Center (7:00 p.m.), before beginning a nine-game homestand.

RANGERS vs. JETS:
All-Time: 24-17-1-9 overall (10-10-1-5 at home; 14-7-0-4 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the first of two meetings this season, and the first and only meeting at Madison Square Garden
Last Season: New York was 1-2-0 overall (1-1-0 mark at home; 0-1-0 mark on the road). Each game was separated by two or fewer goals, including a one-goal game on Feb. 26 at MSG. The Blueshirts’ penalty kill was 9-10 (90.0%). Ryan Callahan led all skaters with three goals (one shorthanded) and six points, while his three assists tied for the series lead. Henrik Lundqvist was 1-2-0 with a 2.70 GAA and .913 Sv%.
New York is 5-5-0 at home; Winnipeg is 5-6-1 on the road
New York is 4-6-0 vs. Western Conference opponents; Winnipeg is 6-2-1 vs. Eastern Conference opponents
New York lists no former Jets on its roster
Winnipeg lists one former Ranger on its roster: Olli Jokinen (2009-10); Winnipeg goaltender Al Montoya was originally drafted by the Rangers with the sixth overall pick in 2004

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. JETS: Henrik Lundqvist – 24 GP, 10-7-6, 2 SO, 2.19 GAA; Brad Richards – 53 GP, 18-39–57; Ryan Callahan – 20 GP, 10-8–18; Derek Stepan – 11 GP, 4-4–8; Michael Del Zotto – 12 GP, 2-8–10

SPECIAL TEAMS:
New York is tied for first in the league with three goals in 5-on-3 situations
The Rangers’ power play is 4-11 (36.4%) in the last three games
The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in eight of the last 10 games (24-26, 92.3% over the span)
Power Play: The Rangers were 2-3 (2:49) on Saturday vs. Vancouver. New York ranks 14th in the NHL overall (18-93, 19.4%), and 22nd at home (6-38, 15.8%). The Rangers are 3-10 (4:24) in five-on-three situations (last – 11/25 at TBL), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read); 11/19 vs. BOS (Paille).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 2-3 (2:50) on Saturday vs. Vancouver. New York is tied for sixth in the NHL overall (75-88, 85.2%), and ranks 14th at home (26-31, 83.9%). The Rangers are 2-3 (2:49) in three-on-five situations (last – 11/4 vs. ANA), and 2-3 (0:55) when three-on-four (last – 11/21 at DAL). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in one four-on-four situation (1:17) on Saturday vs. Vancouver, and are now -1 in 27 four-on-four situations (39:51) this season. Four-on-four goals for (2): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard). Four-on-four goals allowed (3): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes).

FLIGHT CONTROL: The Rangers have won five of the last seven games against the Jets, including three of their last four meetings at Madison Square Garden. New York has out-scored Winnipeg, 20-12, in their last seven games, and 13-6 in their last four at home.

GOAL OUTBURST: New York tied their season-high for goals in a 5-2 win against Vancouver on Saturday. It was the fourth time the Rangers tallied five goals this season, and the second time they have done so in the last three games. The Blueshirts have tallied 12 goals in the last three contests.

HAT TRICK HERO: Rangers’ rookie Chris Kreider posted his first career hat trick in a 5-2 win against Vancouver on Saturday. He became just the third Rangers rookie in the last 20 years to record a hat trick (Derek Stepan in his NHL debut on Oct. 9, 2010; Jan Hlavac on Feb. 11, 2000). Kreider has tallied 15 points (six goals, nine assists) in the last 17 games, and is now tied for second among NHL rookies with 16 points. Since his recall on Oct. 20, he leads all rookies in points and is tied for first in goals.

STANDING TAL-BOT: Cam Talbot made a career-high, 35 saves to win his sixth consecutive decision while making his Madison Square Garden debut in the Rangers’ 5-2 victory on Saturday against Vancouver. Talbot posted two straight shutouts – Nov. 16 at Montreal and Nov. 23 at Nashville – during the streak, and has yet to allow more than two goals in each of his seven career NHL starts. According to the Elias Sports Bureau:
The last Rangers goaltender to win six straight decisions in their first year was Jim Henry in 1941-42 (seven straight).
He is the first goaltender to hold his opponent to two or fewer goals in each of his first seven NHL starts since Frank Brimsek (BOS) did so in his first 12 starts in 1938-39, and is the first to do so in franchise history.
He is the third goaltender in franchise history to post two shutouts in his first six career starts, and the first to do so since the Rangers’ inaugural season, when both Lorne Chabot and Hal Winkler accomplished the feat during the 1926-27 season.
He is only the second Rangers goaltender in the last 40 years to post consecutive shutouts on the road in one season. The other was Steve Valiquette during the 2007-08 season (Jan. 31 and Feb. 9, both in Philadelphia).

STARTING FRESH: The Rangers have posted a 1.86 goals against average since returning from their season-opening five-game west coast road trip, compared to a 5.00 goals against average prior to their Oct. 16 game at Washington. New York currently ranks 11th overall with a 2.44 goals against average this season.

SHUTTING THE DOOR: The Rangers have held opponents to two or fewer goals in 16 of the last 20 games, and 17 of the last 22. New York has allowed 37 goals over the last 20 games (1.84 goals against per game), and 41 goals in the last 22 games (1.86 goals against per game). The Blueshirts are tied for first in the NHL with four shutouts and have held opponents to two or fewer goals in 18 games this season, which is tied for second in the league.

FAST START: The Rangers rank third in the NHL with a 13-1-0 record (.929 win%) when tallying the game’s first goal this season. The Blueshirts have opened the game’s scoring in four of the last six contests.

ROAD WARRIORS: The Rangers lead the Eastern Conference and are tied for second in the NHL with nine road wins this season. The Blueshirts posted a six-game winning streak on the road from Oct. 26 at Detroit to Nov. 23 at Nashville, out-scoring their opponents, 16-8, including two shutouts over the span. The streak ended one win shy of the longest road winning streak in franchise history, and was the longest for the Blueshirts since the 1993-94 season (Oct. 30 – Nov. 24). It is also tied as the longest road winning streak in the league this season. The Rangers posted wins in seven of eight road games from Oct. 26 – Nov. 27, including their six-game road winning streak. The last time the Blueshirts won seven road games in an eight-game span was during the 1993-94 season, when they won eight out of nine games from Oct. 30 – Dec. 4 (8-1-0).

RARE PAIR: The Rangers have posted victories in both Detroit and Montreal this season, in the midst of their six-game road winning streak on Oct. 26 at Detroit and Nov. 16 at Montreal. The last time the Blueshirts won in both cities in the same season was during the 1991-92 season.

CAPTAIN CALLY: Ryan Callahan registered his 239th career point with an assist while skating in his 423rd career NHL game on Friday at Boston. He moved past former Rangers captain Phil Esposito for 50th on the Blueshirts’ all-time games played list, while tying another former Rangers captain, Barry Beck, for 57th on the team’s all-time scoring list.

STREAK ENDED: The Rangers’ 3-2 loss on Friday at Boston ended a streak of 101 consecutive regular season games of recording at least one point when leading after the second period (95-0-6 over the span). According to the Elias Sports Bureau, the Blueshirts’ streak, which began with a 3-1 win on Feb. 6, 2010 against New Jersey, was the longest in the NHL since Washington’s 103-game point streak from Feb. 26, 2009 to Jan. 27, 2013.

MILESTONES IN SIGHT: Derek Stepan – 2 assists from 100th NHL career; Rick Nash – 2 points from 600th NHL career.

INJURIES (55 Man-Games Lost): None.

 

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  1. Does anyone know where we can contact AV’s mum?

    Apparently “Vigneault Mum on who starts in goal tonight”

  2. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    If the Rangers are NY’s only hope, then NY is in a world of hurt. The Texas Rangers have a better chance of winning it all by next June than our Rangers.

    I can definitely see Hank being affected by his contract status. He’s had similar issues in the past; was scolded once by Torts.

  3. Kenneth – everyone was once scolded by Torts! Even Torts wife, kids, dog, goldfish etc…

  4. Poor Lundqvist …

    “am I going to be rich or even richer next year?”

    This is why I have no issues coming here and making fun of mercenaries like POULET.

    Because even if the McChicken is sent down or released, he’s still a millionaire.

    So, in the grand scheme of things, is he really losing that much sleep at night? (If he is, he’s even a bigger clown than suspected).

    I’m not saying these guys aren’t human, but they should sleep very soundly at night. I hope they have perspective.

    Having said all that, let me bid you guys “GOOD MORNING!” and …

    THE KREIDER.

  5. That’s it for me – I’ve decided to add THE KREIDER to my fantasy team. No pressure kid, but i’m dropping Jonathan Huberdeau for you – please bring me some goals!

  6. Good morning, boneheads!

    Was busy working most of the weekend. What did I miss?

    Time to get a little cushion over .500. The schedule certainly provides that opportunity over the next few weeks.

  7. With a nice run of home games and only a Buffalo trip in the next 3 weeks this team should be tearing it up. No travel, home comforts, sleeping in their own beds – no excuses!

  8. Good morning boys and girls! Who is excited for a RANGERS game tonight? I will be at the game. Anyone else going tonight?

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    Buenos chicos y chicas de la mañana! Quién es excitado por un partido de los Rangers esta noche? Voy a estar en el juego. ¿Alguien más esta noche va a ir?

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    Bons garçons du matin et les filles! Qui est excité pour un jeu de RANGERS ce soir? Je serai à la partie. Quelqu’un d’autre ce soir va?

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    I don’t know ANY French so please excuse the unedited translation through Google.

  9. I like how it basically made it say “Good boys and girls of tomorrow” in Espanol. Should have done that one myself.

  10. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Going back to yesterday’s discussion about fighting and the comment by Manny that the NHL isn’t about skill. The NHL is comprised of the most talented hockey players in the world. The allure of hockey is the talent and skill required to play the game. Yes, there is a portion of the fanbase that has the neanderthal mentality of wanting to see others brains bashed in. So many players, past and present, have significant health issues due to having gotten their clocks cleaned. There is no *good* reason for fighting to exist in hockey.

  11. 9 of next 10 at home. I am prob the minority on herd that will say the month of December will define our season. 7-3 I want. Anything less and this homestand is a failure. Anyone agree?

  12. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I do not agree that this month will define our season. I do agree that they need a successful homestand, though home ice advantage isn’t notably beneficial in hockey.

  13. Here we go again…..You never stop, Kenneth. I do, however, appreciate good banter and I assume it benefits the website for us to have *actual* hockey discussions once in a while.

    My point has always been this: the NHL is a smaller rink. The NHL has always, and I mean always, had teams that essentially bully and tough their way to Stanley Cup victories (Phlyers, Bruins, Islanders, etc.) Sure, those teams usually had a few tough guys and a bunch of skill players but the intimidation factor was a *huge* factor in their victories and success.

    There are certain players, like Eric Christensen, who, when no one else is on the ice, are amazing. Those players are pretty much rendered useless when they are on actual NHL ice (I know he isn’t making it in the KHL either but I think the point stands).

    The NHL has always, and should always be, a league that balances effective offensive players with necessary intimidation and toughness to protect those players. That’s the balance that is needed.

    As I have said in the past, if you don’t want fighting in hockey there are literally HUNDREDS of international leagues you can go watch where people puckhandle and do all sort of stuff that isn’t interesting to a lot of NHL fans and old time hockey folks. The NHL is a league that makes toughness a huge part of the game and it will always be that.

  14. And if you think that fighting isn’t a money maker for the sport check out the daily traffic over at Hockeyfights.Com

  15. How is home ice not a noticeable advantage? Right now all NHL home teams are on pace for a 98 point season, road teams on pace for 86.25.

  16. Good morning, ‘heads!

    Busy weekend for me, so some catching up to do:

    Boston WBM (c)
    0) Boyle
    1) Pouliot
    2) MotZ
    3) Richards
    4) Stralman
    5) Lundqvist

    Vancouver WBM (c)
    0) Boyle
    1) Pouliot
    2) Richards
    3) MotZ
    4) Stralman
    5) Lundqvist

  17. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I always enjoy clean banter as well. I have little, if any, issue with anything you stated above. Fighting isn’t necessary for any of what you stated to continue. Hockey is already dangerous enough, it doesn’t need fighting. As I said, there is a portion of the NHL fanbase with the neanderthal mentality that enjoys fighting. Fighting being a money maker (whether it is or isn’t) should be irrelevant. The long term health of the players should be relevant.

  18. The Kreider is THE Kreider .

    Lest me remind you the man scored a hat trick last game.

    Another one tonight.

  19. I’m between you (Manny) and you (Ken). From a pure entertainment standpoint, I have no problem taking fighting out of the game. From a “police themselves / do the Kaletas multiply” standpoint, I’m afraid to remove it. I don’t think there are a ton of guys who are simply fear of John Scott away from throwing elbows like maniacs, but I’m not sure if eventually it would become like MLB if you eliminated brawls. Sure, they’re rare, but it has to be in an AL pitcher’s head before he goes up and in.

  20. I think for the playoffs that home ice hasn’t proven to be a major advantage most years.

    Although if I recall correctly he teams tend to win game 7s by a decent margin.

  21. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _How is home ice not a noticeable advantage_

    Home ice isn’t a notable advantage in the playoffs.

    _Right now all NHL home teams are on pace for a 98 point season, road teams on pace for 86.25_

    What does that even mean? There is a max 82 points available from home games. If you want a decent analytic of home ice, look at the win percentage of West v West games and East v East games.

    We should trade Nash for Pacioretty, to save cap space.

  22. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Although if I recall correctly he teams tend to win game 7s by a decent margin_

    Correct.

  23. Kaletas still exist and there’s still fighting in the game.

    You’re never going to remove cheap shots from the game whether there’s a de facto (enforcer/players policing themselves) or de jury regulation against it.

  24. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _It’s not really worth it, The Doctor. I just keep engaging for the heck of it._

    Aren’t blogs designed for people to engage in civil discussion?

  25. Well, people always throw around the term “neanderthal” but is it really necessary? UFC and MMA and all that “cage death match” stuff (which I hate) which is “fighting for the sake of fighting” is *very* popular and rakes in more money than BOXING even (and Boxing is a terrific sport).

    People used to die on the ice in hockey. That doesn’t happen anymore. We have come a long way. But two guys duking it out on the ice is an amazing feat. And I trust that every single hockey player understood the risks when they signed up for the sport. In exchange you get one heck of a lifestyle and a whole bunch of fame (albeit mostly in Canada).

    I think that intimidation and big guys being on the ice (maybe not the Parros, Scott or ORR) type guys is a very important factor in playoff hockey (when fighting is decreased). Just a guy that can hit and stand up for his teammates and get a little space for the scorers is vital to any team’s success.

  26. Not sure why home teams got shortened to he teams, but home teams tend to win game 7 more often.

  27. _As I said, there is a portion of the NHL fanbase with the neanderthal mentality that enjoys fighting._

    _Aren’t blogs designed for people to engage in civil discussion?_

  28. And Kenneth, I agree with you regarding Nash, but many of your comments are designed to antagonize.

  29. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Kaletas still exist and there’s still fighting in the game._

    Correct.

    Penalties for cheap shot artists need to be more severe, and they can’t be based on the result (injury of the recipient).

    Similarly, when a player is boarded dangerously from behind, it should be a 5 minute major regardless of any injury to the player.

    Consistency.

  30. _What does that even mean? There is a max 82 points available from home games. If you want a decent analytic of home ice, look at the win percentage of West v West games and East v East games._

    It means if you take all of the points earned by home teams and prorate them over an 82 game season, you get a 98 point pace.

    _We should trade Nash for Pacioretty, to save cap space._

    I’m going to bookmark this and then, sometime in the near future, I’m going to say “remember when you used to think this was a knock on me”. We’ll both have a good laugh, ostensibly at your expense, but you and I will know its just good natured ribbing.

  31. Gravy, what’s the definition of many? Around a 100%? Try to dig a bit deeper into his, or his multiple twins’ hockey knowledge. Laughable. But, yes, I guess it is good for blog traffic.

  32. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Gravy @9:33am:

    Using the word neanderthal was not uncivil or designed to denigrate anyone. It’s a description of people that enjoy watching others brains bashed in.

  33. _Kaletas still exist and there’s still fighting in the game._

    They’re pretty rare and the guy the group was named after got AHLed by a team that seemingly gets off on hurting people.

    I’d much rather limit fighting. Simple cap, basically like the card system in soccer. Suspensions, team fines (not player), etc.

  34. Kenneth, you understand that you’re having a discussion with people in favor of keeping fighting, and that you called those people “neanderthals”? Or did you mean, not *those* neantherthals?

  35. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _It means if you take all of the points earned by home teams and prorate them over an 82 game season, you get a 98 point pace._

    Okay. Interesting. What was the win percentage of home teams in the last full NHL season (2011-12)

    _I’m going to bookmark this and then, sometime in the near future, I’m going to say “remember when you used to think this was a knock on me”. We’ll both have a good laugh, ostensibly at your expense, but you and I will know its just good natured ribbing._

    Pacioretty will never approximate Nash’s success in his career. I guess it’s possible, but so is world peace possible.

    Saving cap space shouldn’t be the foremost or only reason for trading one player for another. Trading is about bettering the team in the short term, long term, or both.

  36. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I would rather look at win percentage when looking at home ice records, to eliminate the Bettman Bonus point. There are no Bettman Bonus points in the playoffs.

  37. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Gravy @9:42am:

    It is what it is, not uncivil or intended to denigrate.

    UFC and Boxing involve training, preparation, skill and technique. They are popular, yet still barbaric.

  38. Boyle wishes fighting was outlawed this week – Chara then Bieksa….ouchie
    I hope AV gives him a “maintenance day” this week!

  39. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Mister D:

    Eastern Conference record for home teams thus far this season:

    108-115

  40. Be interesting to see where MDZ is deployed tonight? Will he ask Moore to come in and play right side?

    Was that just a showcase game maybe?

  41. Rob in Beantown on

    The playoffs are a completely different animal than the regular season, plus that data is a little less useful because home teams tend to be the _better teams_, because they earned home ice advantage during the regular season.

    This paper (http://www.terry.uga.edu/~trandel/papers/homeadv1.pdf) looked at NHL games between 1990 and 2007 and found the home team won 55.6% of those games. I just crunched the numbers over the last 5 years and by my calculations the numbers came out even higher, closer to a .600 winning percentage.

    Moreover, there has never _ever_ been an NHL season where road teams had a better winning percentage than home teams. You would expect that to happen at least once if, as you said, there is no notable advantage to being at home.

  42. _Okay. Interesting. What was the win percentage of home teams in the last full NHL season (2011-12)_

    101.2 at home, 82.8 on the road. Home ice matters. A lot.

    _Pacioretty will never approximate Nash’s success in his career. I guess it’s possible, but so is world peace possible._

    Which doesn’t matter even a little bit. If you’re looking at that trade, you’re only worried about Pacioretty’s production going forward versus Nash’s.

  43. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Eastern Conference home record

    108-115

    Western Conference home record:

    106-76

    NHL home record:

    214-191

    Home win percentage: 52.8%

    So far this season, home ice is not a notable advantage.

  44. Rob, thanks for that. I think 2011-12 was close. I’m believe, through at least the first two rounds, that the road team actually had a better record.

  45. Even stripping it down to try to support your point, Ken, you’re showing a 5 point swing over 82 games. That’s big.

  46. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _101.2 at home, 82.8 on the road. Home ice matters. A lot._

    I didn’t ask for points. I asked for win percentage.

    _Which doesn’t matter even a little bit. If you’re looking at that trade, you’re only worried about Pacioretty’s production going forward versus Nash’s._

    When you look at the two players, you look at Nash’s past production versus Pacioretty’s past production, and attempt to predict what their production will be in the future. Seeing that Nash has established a level of consistency throughout his career that Pacioretty has not, and given that Nash is still only 29, he is the better bet going forward. You must understand this.

  47. both outdoor games are road games for the Rangers… pretty good, gets us 2 more home games. oh yea home games suck according to Kenny boy

  48. (Also, we both know its useless math to blend regulation losses and OT losses in order to drop 50+ points from the home calc. But that’s ok. Wink.)

  49. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Even stripping it down to try to support your point, Ken, you’re showing a 5 point swing over 82 games. That’s big._

    None of you like, respect, or believe in the Bettman Bonus point.

    I stripped it down to support your point of view.

    There has not been a notable advantage this season. 52.8% is not notable.

  50. _When you look at the two players, you look at Nash’s past production versus Pacioretty’s past production, and attempt to predict what their production will be in the future. Seeing that Nash has established a level of consistency throughout his career that Pacioretty has not, and given that Nash is still only 29, he is the better bet going forward. You must understand this._

    I’ll let you go look at Pacioretty’s stats and amend your statement.

  51. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    In determining whether home ice is a notable advantage (regular season + playoffs), adding bonus points OT and shootout losses hurts the accuracy of the conclusion.

    We should trade Rick Nash for Max Pacioretty, to save cap space.

  52. _None of you like, respect, or believe in the Bettman Bonus point._

    It doesn’t matter if we like it or not, as long as it accounts for an average of 10 points per team at the end of the year, it matters.

  53. So I’ve handled regular season, Rob has handled postseason, Ken keeps repeating his debunked hypothesis. Sounds about right here.

  54. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I’ll let you go look at Pacioretty’s stats and amend your statement._

    Okay. 1 full season. 33 goals, 65 points. That’s everything. Has he displayed the level of consistency that Nash has? That’s a rhetorical question.

  55. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Rob has handled postseason_

    You think a 55.7% home win percentage in the postseason is significant?

    Look at the home win percentage in basketball and football postseason.

  56. _Okay. 1 full season. 33 goals, 65 points. That’s everything. Has he displayed the level of consistency that Nash has? That’s a rhetorical question._

    1 full season, 1 lockout, 1 time he nearly got paralyzed and this season, which he’s unable to make move faster. In each of those, he’s been on pace for 28+ goals. Very consistent. Very good player. Nice cap hit. Understands math, I bet.

  57. As long as the bonus point exists we have to respect and acknowledge it. As stupid as it is.

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    Kenneth, what was Pacioretty on pace for last season? Looks pretty much like that one you just posted or better, eh?

  58. _Look at the home win percentage in basketball and football postseason._

    I can’t imagine how you think this matters.

  59. 4 years running, Pac is averaging 32.7 per 82, Nash 33. If that variance is worth $3MM to you, so be it.

  60. The shootout actually doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. If you reran the records the last couple of years with ties instead of shootouts you’d find that at most one or two teams in the 7th/8th spots swap out. Typically those differences are minimal – they’re in/out of the playoffs by a couple of points, essentially winning/losing one or two games. There could be a hundred reasons over the course of a season why a team won/lost an incremental game or two – puck off the skate, shot hits a post, breakaways, missed calls, etc.

    Sure, you could argue for those on the bubble the shootout matters but you could also probably look at a couple of games over the course of the season where a random play was equally as important.

  61. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I can’t imagine how you think this matters._

    If you want a notable home advantage, look at the stats for those sports.

    55.7% is not notable, especially when compared to those sports.

    _1 full season, 1 lockout, 1 time he nearly got paralyzed and this season_

    He’s a .62 points per game player in his career.

    You don’t understand. Being on pace for something is not equivalent to actually doing something.

    Here’s an example:

    You’re on pace for 0 smart comments. That doesn’t mean you won’t ever have a smart comment.

  62. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _4 years running, Pac is averaging 32.7 per 82, Nash 33. If that variance is worth $3MM to you, so be it._

    Pac is a .62 points per game player, Nash is a .82 points per game player. If that variance isn’t notable to you, so be it.

  63. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Chris Kreider is a .44 points per game player in his career._

    There’s such a thing called sample size. Kreider has played in 43 career games. Pac has played in 264.

  64. _You’re on pace for 0 smart comments. That doesn’t mean you won’t ever have a smart comment._

    _Aren’t blogs designed for people to engage in civil discussion?_

  65. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Moreover, there has never ever been an NHL season where road teams had a better winning percentage than home teams. You would expect that to happen at least once if, as you said, there is no notable advantage to being at home._

    Incorrect. Notable means a significant advantage. You would expect home teams to have an advantage. From the data you provided, that advantage is slight.

  66. _There’s such a thing called sample size. Kreider has played in 43 career games. Pac has played in 264._

    Do you think a very smart hockey mind (like yourself, when not backed into a corner) would weight his first 2 seasons the same as his last 4?

  67. I just like that Kenny is shrugging off either 11-9 or 12-8 simply by being at home as immaterial.

  68. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Do you think a very smart hockey mind (like yourself, when not backed into a corner) would weight his first 2 seasons the same as his last 4?_

    Should we start weighting the first 2 seasons of every player separate from the rest of his career? Should we weight Nash’s first season differently? (39 points in 74 games)

  69. If only statistics was as simple as this!!

    To do it properly you’d have to weight a players most recent seasons higher and take into account the quality of opposition, weight home and away points scored, take into account quality of linemates, goalies faced, minutes played, zone starts and a million other things!

  70. Callahan was a .29 per game player over his first two years. So, yes, we should consider age and usage and all that. Because we’re “not dumb”.

  71. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I just like that Kenny is shrugging off either 11-9 or 12-8 simply by being at home as immaterial._

    In the context of my original comment and your response (taking into account Bettman bonus points), regular season home ice provides a reasonable advantage. 11.75 point difference over 82 games between home and away.

    Without the Bettman Bonus points, of which there are none in the playoffs, home ice is decreasingly important.

  72. “Buenos chicos y chicas de la mañana! Quién es excitado por un partido de los Rangers esta noche? Voy a estar en el juego. ¿Alguien más esta noche va a ir?”

    This reminded me of ellacorreo. Come back ella!

    Where’s ducky! You rock, ducky!

  73. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    We should consider his age? His average TOI, sure.

    Let’s eliminate his first 2 seasons. He’s a .78 point per game player over 178 games. Let’s eliminate Nash’s first season. He becomes a .85 point per game player over 654 games. Let’s now eliminate the first two seasons of Nash’s career, given his age at the time. He then becomes a .87 p/g over 574 games.

    Agitation factor. Man, oh man, what would the Canadians do without Pacioretty’s all important, irreplaceable agitation factor?

  74. I think you’re catching up nicely, Ken! If you really want apples to apples, in terms of “should we trade (for cap reasons)”, we can look at last __ seasons and/or try to project out next 4-6. Wow!

  75. Rob in Beantown on

    Sorry, I didn’t make it clear earlier, but the numbers I gave were for the regular season not the postseason. I didnt look at the postseason winning percentages.

  76. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    So you’re throwing out Pac’s first two seasons and now also throwing out most of Nash’s career, up until the last couple seasons, to prove your point? Unreal.

    As simply as I can state this, Nash has proven to be a very good player in this league for an extended period of time. He is 29 years old and is likely to repeat the production sustained throughout his career beginning at 18 years old.

    Pac is 25 years old, has put up some good numbers in 1 full season and 2 separate half seasons. The likelihood of Pac approximating Nash’s production over the next x seasons is unlikely.

    There is no comparison.

  77. It’s really great that we have two goalies that are really good. One is arguably the best in the world and one if challenging the best in the world.

    This better light a fire under Hank’s butt. At the very least it will challenge him about whether or not he wants to remain a Ranger. If he goes and complains they can just get rid of him.

  78. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Can we discuss the agitation factor of Pac and how that would equate to an added 18 goals for Brian Boyle. Nash has no agitation factor. With no agitation factor, he can’t make us more difficult to play against, making it possible for Boyle to score 21 goals again.

  79. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    We must not forget that the presence of Prust made the Rangers more difficult to play against, thus giving Boyle the space and freedom to score 21 goals.

  80. If we all believe that Hank had a role in getting Tort fired then this is obviously a challenge to his attitude as much as his on ice play as of late.

  81. What I’d reeeeeeeally love to know is whether this is 100% AV and his coaches or if the front office has any input.

  82. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Misty, Richards has been at .77 p/g as a Ranger. What was his average the rest of his career? Has he regressed? If so, has Nash regressed in a similar fashion? Is Nash still 4 years younger than Richards, or on Planet Misty, did you eliminate the 4 years difference for the benefit of your argument?

  83. Kenneth, so you were pulling our legs when you anointed Talbot as the second coming after 6 games?

  84. Too soon, ORR. But having a more than reliable back up should make a huge difference at the end, especially considering that Hank is going to play heavy minutes in Sochi.

  85. Having two great goalies has never worked in the playoffs. If Talbot continues, then they’ll have to make a decision.

  86. _ Is Nash still 4 years younger than Richards, or on Planet Misty, did you eliminate the 4 years difference for the benefit of your argument?_

    To recap: Yes, 4 years matters (Richards vs Nash). No, 4 years doesn’t matter (Nash vs Pacioretty).

  87. _Kenneth, so you were pulling our legs when you anointed Talbot as the second coming after 6 games?_

    Oh boy, I somehow forgot about this. I should have just said “Pacioretty could be better than Nash and you aren’t psychic so you can’t say he won’t be”. Then its obvious you just focus on saving $3MM per!

  88. @rangersreport

    To me, it’s got a long way to go before it’s a controversy. When Talbot starts a bunch in a row, then we’ll talk.

  89. _hank has confirmed he will be looking good on the end of the bench_

    Seriously. Having 8+ hours to prep is unfair to every other male in the world.

  90. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I didn’t anoint Talbot as anything. I definitely didn’t trade Hank with the belief that Talbot’s already an established player.

  91. If this team is going to pay hank ALL THE MONEY for 8 years, then they need to know *who* they are paying. He’s the world’s best but for him to be worth the money and remain the face of the franchise they need to check on his character. Not saying this is the reason. Just something I think is worth suggesting.

    If Hank was involved in getting a coached canned, then we really need to know about his attitude going forward.

  92. So Carp — what I gleaned from one of Larry Brooks’s articles today is that the Lundqvist contract situation isn’t so much that Hank won’t sign, but that Sather won’t sit down to negotiate. Do you think that’s accurate?

  93. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Oh boy, I somehow forgot about this._

    I thought it was evident that’s why I’ve been giving you stick for your uninformed trade of Nash for Pacioretty, to save cap space. I didn’t foolishly trade away Hank because I think Talbot has the skills to be a very good goalie.

  94. _Kenneth at clinchers of ’89Flames ’94Rangers ’96Avs_

    _A text book on goaltenders, perhaps the best goaltender I’ve seen in many years_

    _November 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 PM_

  95. Rob in Beantown on

    New York Rangers @NYRangers
    “We have a great relationship. I support Cam, he supports me..it’s about the team..tonight this is best for the team”- @HLundqvist30 #NYR

    That was Hank. Now me: I think it makes sense to ride the hot goalie while he is still hot, so I have no problem with playing Talbot tonight. Based on how the team plays in front of him I think he gives the team the best chance to win tonight. Buffalo should be a good *confidence* building game for Hank on Thursday. I don’t think we will know if there is a goalie controversy for real until we see Talbot play more games and under different situations.

  96. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I guess you were unable to identify hyperbole. Shall I get you a definition of hyperbole, Gravy?

  97. Someone (not me) care to review the gamelogs of the goalies getting big contracts and see how many sat healthy in back-to-back games. On one hand, its not really a big deal at all. On the other, it just feels weird.

  98. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Someone (not me) care to review the gamelogs of the goalies getting big contracts and see how many sat healthy in back-to-back games._

    I can’t imagine how you think this matters.

  99. Hyperbole: A good cover for walking back over-the-top comments made at a prior time. Ex: “C’mon, when I said a goalie with 7 career games could very well match a guy who has been at a hall of fame pace for almost a decade, it was obviously hyperbole!”

  100. _I can’t imagine how you think this matters._

    On one hand, its not really a big deal at all. On the other, it just feels weird.

  101. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    You are not familiar with what hyperbole means. It’s embellishment. There were only a few comments that were hyperbolic.

  102. We should all be hopeful that every player the Rangers have develops into a bonafide, NHLer with lots of success. Not only will their play help this team, but those that can’t be kept can be traded for players that will help this team.

    That said, if Hank doesn’t get his stuff together, it’s going to make for some interesting contract negotiations.

  103. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _Hyperbole: A good cover for walking back over-the-top comments made at a prior time. Ex: “C’mon, when I said a goalie with 7 career games could very well match a guy who has been at a hall of fame pace for almost a decade, it was obviously hyperbole!_

    I stand by that. I provided you with a number of current goalies (drafted low undrafted) that have sustained a successful career. Talbot could outdo Hank’s career (Hank’s playoff career leaves much to be desired), just as Pac could outdo Nash. However, I’m not foolishly trading away Hank as you traded Nash for Pac.

  104. How many goalies drafted low or undrafted haven’t had Lundqvist’s career? That’s sort of the point, kid. If I start touting every 5th rounder as “potential Datsuk”, I expect to be chastised the same way. Even if I later claim hyperbole or embellishment or just being a goof.

  105. Well, at least Jokinen Getzlafs in St Louis when his Stastny Datsyuk Staals and he Paniks. He Ott to be grateful that he even has an old Carr.

  106. Rob in Beantown on

    Andrew Gross @AGrossRecord
    Talbot said he received a text yesterday saying, “Be ready,” but nothing definitive. Hank said he spent Sunday wondering if he would play.

    This makes me wish I were more clever so I could start a theme twitter account called “Texts from A.V.”

  107. Talbot is no Lundqvist. They are practically the same age. Talbot would be lucky to either have a few years of success in the NHL as a starter of a few more years of success as a backup. I think the Rangers know that.

  108. @AGrossRecord

    Lundqvist: “I’m not satisfied with being OK…I want to be great and if I’m not, I’m not satisfied.”

  109. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Tim Thomas has 2 Vezinas and a Cup, bub. Bobrovsky already has a Vezina, at 24. We should trade Hank for Bobrovsky, for cap space. Ryan Miller has a Vezina and a pretty good career. That 10% of the current starting goalies in the NHL.

  110. Stranger Nation on

    Lundqvist with a classic Zoolander quote – what a maroon

    Learn to handle the puck, stop saving shots going 6 ft wide of net and learn to steer pucks to corners

  111. Bobrovsky is having a pretty rough year.

    Ryan Miller is a really, really good goalie stuck on a horrible team run by an organization with no direction. Poor guy.

    I think we’re headed for the classic “how should a team spend it’s money” argument. Is the $8M+ that Hank will cost better spent on Phaneuf or perhaps an ELITE, top 10 forward? That kind of argument.

  112. Stranger, callin’, I say, callin’ ol’ Henny Lunkhead a mar-, I say, a maroon makes ya sound like Foggy! Leghorn, that is.

  113. Is this the first time in Lundqvist’s career since he became regular #1 goalie that a backup behind him gets consecutive starts?

  114. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Carp, what are your thoughts on fighting, necessary or unnecessary to hockey?

  115. “…The King has not sat for consecutive games when healthy since Feb. 5-7, 2011.

    That was when then-coach John Tortorella was displeased with Lundqvist because the goaltender had been on celebrity row at a Feb. 2 Knicks’ game (and photographed with both Justin Bieber and Chris Rock) a night before the Rangers hosted the Devils — a match in which the goaltender was pulled at 15:07 of the second period after allowing three goals on 12 shots.”

  116. @NYRUnlimited I’m assuming you all freaked out when Biron started 3 out of 4 in November 2010 too?

    ********************************

    Guess it was back then, CCCP

  117. @rangersreport

    Lundqvist didn’t sit consecutive games in ’13; in ’11-12 he missed 2 straight with flu; in ’10-11 he sat 2 in a row 3x before Biron injury.

  118. @DaveMaloneyMSG

    Stop the madness!NYR has a goalie that has been their best player for 8 seasons and one that has had 7 good starts.A goaltender luxury#nyr

  119. “Get something in your head, Alice! I’m the king here, remember that! This house is MY castle! I’m the king! Remember that! King, king, king! YOU are nothing! A peasant! This is MY house, MY castle, I’m the king!” – Henrik Lundqvist and/or Ralph Kramden

  120. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    The first time Talbot has a bad game, everyone will be jumping all over him.

  121. Rob in Beantown on

    Talbot lost his first game. If you were being smart and playing the numbers he should have never played again.

  122. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I have never seen a goalie with quicker lateral movement and glove than Talbot. He is astonishing. h

  123. Fighting is here to stay in my opinion. What makes hockey different than other sports is the degree of hitting in the game over a long season and the ability to seriously harm someone with both clean/dirty hits and wielding the sticks. The perception that one player is trying to hurt another enrages players and requires a response, one that doesn’t come from officials at all levels of the game. Throw in the money, prestige and competitive forces at the pro level and you can understand why players get pissed at each other and fight.

    I play at Chelsea Piers with guys mostly in their 30’s. We’re not playing for anything, not even bragging rights in a non-checking league yet I’ve seen a number of instances where someone takes a cheap shot or two guys are at each other all game and it just boils over into a fight. The culture of hockey is that it’s okay to get really pissed of with another player you think is taking liberties.

    I’m fine with hockey in fighting though I have to say I find the staged fights somewhat boring unless it’s something that carried over from a previous game/series (think Colorodo/Detroit). I wouldn’t be opposed to the NHL making it a 10 minute penalty to cut down on the mickey mouse stuff further but still allow two players who are mutually agreeable to slug it out in the heat of the moment.

  124. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Manny
    Re your 12:11, when Stralman is in your top 6 and the hobbit is in your top 9, I choose the latter, not the goalie for that money.

    And what the hell is wrong with cally?

  125. If anyone is interested: @mirtle 2m Canada’s world junior team roster announced today. Three cuts still to come during camp Dec. 12-15. pic.twitter.com/NSmwmD6FMK

  126. Pass on Phaneuf – totally overrated, overpriced and his best years are behind him. He’s good in the offensive zone and makes big highlight hits but he’s a horrible defenseman.

  127. When was the last time this franchise had TWO exciting rookies like THE Kreider and Tam-Bot playing on one team?! Awesome!

  128. Also, Tanner Glass will be available. There is a 4th line player I would love to have on our team. Right, Kenneth?

  129. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Btw, all those stats you guys compiled earlier are great but unless you have incorporated the following, they mean nothing…

    The number of 4th line minutes multiplied by the number of fights by said 4th line (subtracting the staged fight percentage obviously), then taking the aggregate of all teams 4th lines faceoff percentage divided by total hits from their 4th lines. Once that total is reached you add it to the sum of the number of 4th line players making more than 1.5 mil per season on their team, which is then divided by the percentage of said 4th line players that are expected to be first ballot hall of famers by the fans of said team (this number is obviously multiplied by number of starts that a backup goalie gets that should actually be going to the starting goalie for absolute accuracy).

    Once you have that final number, you simply divide it by the number of shifts of the 4th line in the playoffs and take that number and multiply it times the number of 4th line goals and fights in the playoffs versus the goals and fights of the other lines combined during the playoffs with the percentage determined being the most telling stat…

  130. Great list including Tim Thomas and Bobrovsky. In no way is that “here are a few rare exceptions”. Here’s a list I compiled called “every goalie drafted from 1998-2002 at #200 or below”. So we get Hank’s year, the two on both sides, and his position (#205) or lower …

    Henrik Lundqvist
    Cristobal Huet
    Martin Gerber
    Fredrik Norrena
    Reinhard Divis
    Adam Berkhoel
    Matthew Yeats
    Brian Eklund
    Jordan Sigalet
    Jure Penko
    Aaron Molnar
    Alexander Polukeyev
    Craig Kowalski
    Joni Puurula
    Nick Boucher
    Carl Grahn
    Blake Ward
    Phil Osaer
    Kyle Kettles
    Vladimir Kulikov
    Jonathon Charron
    Antti Jokela
    Frederik Brindamour
    Mika Lehto
    Andreas Andersson
    Steve Belanger
    Jan Chovan
    Tomas Duba
    Brandon Crawford-West
    Robert Muller
    Sebastien Laplante
    Tyson Kellerman
    Brad Topping
    Vasily Koshechkin
    Matt Violin
    Matt Davis
    Dwight Labrosse

    Like I said: He’s a wild exception. Not the only exception, but a wild, wild exception.

  131. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Gravy
    That stat isn’t necessary because it seems to only pertain to a certain team.

  132. Late to the party today. I see Kenneth is pretty popular on here. I suppose that when he goes to a Ranger game and 18,000+ rise and go bananas cheering for Dorsett taking on a guy 2x his size in a mutually agreed upon scrap between two grown men, he sits and mutters to himself how uncivilized everyone is but him. What neanderthals!

  133. Awesome story, tomb. Unfortunate that it’s Avery because it could get twisted or whatever. But that’s really cool.

  134. Leetchhalloffame on

    Before Winnipeg leaves here tonight can they let us borrow Evander Kane for say the next ten years?

  135. I think Talbot has looked like the best Ranger goaltender on the roster since he’s come up but it’s very hard to justify needing to get a win on December 2, let alone playing a back-up to get that win.

  136. Interesting stat of the hour: Over the last 7 games, Derick Brassard has 5 points. Over the last 7 games, Benoit Pooliot has 0 points.

  137. for there to be a real goalie controversy,not the lame Monday morning one invented by Leonard, Strang, etc, Talbot would basically have to be superhuman for at least 10 more games….e.g. a few shutouts, gaa of 2.20 or less and Hank would have to keep tanking. He doesn’t supplant Lundqvist with such a small sample size…and Talbot has to get a better wardrobe and haircut

  138. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Your list proves the obvious, it’s difficult to find a diamond in the rough. Credit to the Rangers scouring and Benoit Allaire for unearthing two.

    Are you still cherry-picking stats (dismissing Nash’s entire career sans the last two years and the first two years of Pacioretty’s career) with the purpose of supporting your case, slick?

  139. Cam Talbot is not a diamond in the rough or whatever that means in real life. The guy is too old to be considered a rookie and is finally making a mark as an NHL backup.

  140. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Tim Thomas (drafted 217th overall) is not a diamond in the rough or whatever that means in real life. The guy is too old to be considered a rookie and is finally making a mark as an NHL backup. Two Vezina trophies and a Stanley Cup later…

    Dominik Hasek (drafted 199th overall) is not a diamond in the rough or whatever that means in real life. The guy is too old to be considered a rookie and is finally making a mark as an NHL backup. Greatest goalie of all time later…

  141. _Are you still cherry-picking stats (dismissing Nash’s entire career sans the last two years and the first two years of Pacioretty’s career) with the purpose of supporting your case, slick?_

    Are you asking if I’m still looking at the last 4 years of both players’ careers? I am. That’s a very relevant sample.

  142. Rangers fans when Nash wasn’t a Ranger:”Nash is exactly what this team needs! We would basically trade anything for him”

    Rangers fans after getting Nash:”Who can we trade Nash for?”

  143. When Nash wasn’t a Ranger, I was like “oh my god we really shouldn’t be taking on that cap hit and definitely not for anything of value going the other way”. Mad documentation on that.

  144. Rob in Beantown on

    The over/under for Vezina trophies to be won by Cam Talbot is 0.5. Given that line I know which one I’m taking.

  145. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _oh my god we really shouldn’t be taking on that cap hit and definitely not for anything of value going the other way_

    A good thing nothing of value went the other way.

    From Unrecognized to Unbeatable: The Story of Stanley Cup Champions Dominik Hasek and Tim Thomas.

  146. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Just about anybody can win the Vezina. The same odds for Jim Carey or Sergei Bobrovsky. All that’s required is the playing time. If Hank bails for more money after the season, would anyone be surprised if Cam Talbot stepped into the starting role and ran with it, given Benoit Allaire’s in developing project goaltenders?

  147. Del Z, Brassard and a prospect for Pacioretty? Strong 30 goal scorer, I’d take him.

    Bring up McIlrath to join Falk. Pretty tough D!

  148. Stranger Nation on

    I guess with Brassard gone we can move Richards back to center because that works GREAT!!!

    If Bucky is back at the pivot tonite will be convinced it is Uncle Glennie pulling strings from the Chase Bridge

  149. _Mister D…my 3 Black Tuesday bottles have arrived!_

    Damn, keep me posted. Going to cellar one or two?

  150. Definitely gonna drink 1 soon, and cellar the others or maybe trade one on Beeradvocate or something.

  151. The Rangers are the only team that has not gone to a BCATHGE yet. The Avs are the only team that has only been in one.

  152. Rob in Beantown on

    That’s a good point, Gravy. We will only really know if Talbot is the real deal or a bum when we see him in his first BCATHGE

  153. If we move Brassard we obviously just go make a trade and bring back Kris Newbury or talk Drury out of retirement. Either option is better than Richards at C.

  154. BCATHGE are the only true measure of an *elite* goaltender.

    The Peg are tied with a league leading 8 (5 wins), so maybe that will change tonight.

  155. It really is the only time that a goaltender is on the ice without any other factors.

    Maybe we can do something where we get four forward against one goaltender. Set them up in an umbrella pattern and let them all rip shots? Or make them pass? So he has to defend a 4-0? That also has a LOT of bearing on an actual hockey game.

  156. So we are looking for an alternative to fighting that still involves an outcome in which one person triumphs and one person is humiliated but still cheered? I’m assuming it has to be as masculine as fighting (and neanderthal-esque)

    Ok, here it is. Two players square off. A girl is selected from the crowd. That girl goes into a back room with the two men. They can do ANYTHING they want. Then the girl declares which man is more *manly* and that team gets a boost in their motivation.

    Is that manly and neanderthal?

  157. I like it Manny. With my “do anything” time, I’d tell her about how I totally served some goofball on the internet who claimed Talbot would be the next Lundqvist. Talk about a shootout win!

  158. That would be up to you and her, The Doctor. She could make the guys fight. The fun part is the crowd would NEVER know.

    We were going for NEANDERTHAL, Stranger. Thus, I made it intentionally misogynistic.

  159. Could you imagine if there was a spelling bee instead of a fight? Parros would dominate with that Princeton education.

  160. Parros after losing fight: “Tomorrow I’ll have a tiny bit of swelling, but you’ll still be an idiot.”

  161. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    _I’d tell her about how I totally served some goofball on the internet who claimed Talbot would be the next Lundqvist._

    You are delusional. Not only did I not claim Talbot would be the next Lundqvist (What is the next Lundqvist, exactly? Playoff choker?), but you think you served me.

    Will you also tell her how you got served 6 ways from Sunday on home ice’s slight advantage and Nash being incomparable to Pacioretty?

  162. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Talbot definitely has more toughness, grit, puck-handling skills than Hank. He makes the Rangers more difficult to play against.

  163. I took a poll of over 100 women who read this site and it was pretty decisive, Ken. Maybe tomorrow will be your day to shine.

  164. Rob in Beantown on

    Powe will probably make a decent coach someday. Sociology major, captain of the Princeton hockey team, didn’t have the skills to have a long NHL career, but probably learned a thing or two along the way. He is probably a decent guy to have as a team leader in Hartford.

  165. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    You have more toughness, Mister D. I have more skill.

    (:

  166. Talbot makes under 600K through this season and next which, along with his (so far) stellar play are what makes Slats sit looking out his picture window with a Cuban stogie, staring at nature, conjuring.

  167. I really do hope that’s the case, coos. Not Talbot specifically, but more “is this really where the money should go”.

  168. Stranger Nation on

    An argument could be made that the MDZ, Girardi and Richards ($12.5MM++) may be better served with two (2) top 4 D-men who can shoot from the pt AND clear the crease; add another year of McIlwrath seasoning and we would have a very very solid back line and keep Zoolander if you wanted to.

  169. I still wonder if it was Dolan or Slats or both who decided to gamble with #19 (with his Cap hit and his franchise killing injury potential) for another season.

  170. Unless he miraculously turns into a second half Bobby Orr, Slats will not broke what he knows is coming, DelZ asking for considerably more money. Gennie might have to settle for draft picks, and count on McUndertaker’s supposedly increasing abilities.

  171. Rangers should win this game tonight. Kane is out for the jets who is there best player, no excuses.

  172. @rangersreport

    VIDEO: My preview of tonight’s Rangers-Jets game, and the “goalie controversy.” rangers.lohudblogs.com

  173. Strictly business wise, 8 years is long time to guarantee anyone, even your presently perfect wife, stratosphere bucks. IF the NYR do become convinced that they have a younger viable alternative…IF… Way too soon to offer such conjecture, but what the heck, it’s just a hockey blog. :)

  174. Logic would tell us that Slats wants to win now, not to slowly build a powerhouse that someone else can take credit for by grabbing a cup due to his far-seeing “efforts.” Expect some major decision(s), but when?

  175. I agree with your comment Coos. Way back in the summer folks around here were mentioning not resigning hank or trading him. I must admit at the time I thought that was just crazy talk. I really think he was/is our best player. I admit that now I can see that trade side of the argument not that I advocate it, just that there is some merit to it.

  176. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I enjoy the videos as well, as they are very informative.

  177. Rob in Beantown on

    I think Talbot made it a little easier for many of us to envision a post-Lundqvist future. Not saying it’s the right thing, but before it was hard to even visualize.

  178. This team is waking up, defensively, and in goal with Talbot’s hot start, Imagine, even more improvement if Big Mac is promoted any time soon. A crease-clearing D-man would stabilize the overall game.

  179. The UTaker should stop fighting down there in Hartford and protect the right hand like a surgeon does until he’s called on for the Big operations.

  180. lol, guys

    Ask the wife … yes, I did lose it when The Kreider scored the hat trick (as per my countless predictions)

    And I’ll lose it again tonight when he scores his second ha trick.

    THE KREIDER!!!!!!

  181. Big Mac is an awesome nickname.

    He needs to come up. Him, Miller, and Monte Kristo.

    And they should replace … let me think of a name at random … a player who’s particularly useless …

    POULET McNugget.

  182. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    I don’t think Cam Talbot facilitates our envisioning of a post Hank era because I don’t think it’s all that difficult to imagine to start. It doesn’t take a great goalie to win a Stanley Cup, and as previously noted with statistics, Hank has never raised his game in the playoffs, thus facilitating our chances to win it all. If there were a plethora of free agent forwards available via free agency, I would rather have more quality position players and a depth of quality position players, and an average goalie at a lesser cost. As a bonus, maybe that goalie could raise his game in the playoffs.

  183. “Hank has never raised his game in the playoffs”

    Um, how about those consecutive shutouts vs the Caps last year?

    That the team in front of him can’t score more than 2 a game in the playoffs (save the odd game, i.e. Game 7 vs the Caps) doesn’t help him.

    But I do concur that you don’t need an All-Star goalie to win the Cup. You do, however, need a solid goalie who gets hot or a very good goalie.

  184. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Raised his game throughout an entire playoffs. Yes, two consecutive shutouts was admirable.

  185. Miami P gets to Washington DC on a 15 degree January day, looks for a warm hat….then remembers….

  186. Fran Healy, aka: Goofball, asks Henrik, “When someone is ready to blast a slap shot, would you rather be someplace else?” I mean, I mean…

  187. Does anyone know where exactly the seats are with access to the glass wall to see players during intermission?

  188. Here’s a project for somebody with time on their hands: Go to Hockeyfights.com and find out how the voters voted on all the Rangers’ fights this season and figure out their cumulative virtual won-lost record.

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