Bruins at Rangers tonight (7:30) … pre-game notes; Live Chat Wednesday


First of many reminders. We will hold a Live Chat Wednesday at noon. Be there. Or else.

Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

Tuesday, Nov. 19, 7:30 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 10-10-0 (20 pts)
Bruins: 12-6-1 (25 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the Boston Bruins at Madison Square Garden (7:30 p.m. — TV: MSG 2; Radio: The Answer 970 AM), in an Original Six matchup. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Metropolitan Division standings, and eighth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 10-10-0 (20 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Los Angeles Kings, 1-0, on Sunday at Madison Square Garden, in the second game of a back-to-back set. New York is now 8-4-0 in their last 12 games after beginning the season with a 2-6-0 record. The Bruins had a 12-6-1 (25 pts) record to rank second in the Eastern Conference entering their contest last night at Carolina, and had won four of their last five games. Following the game, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Dallas Stars on Thursday, Nov. 21, at American Airlines Center (8:30 p.m.), to begin a five-game road trip.

All-Time: 249-283-97-2 overall (143-119-55-0 at home; 106-164-42-2 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the first of three meetings this season, and the first of two meetings at Madison Square Garden
Last Season: New York was 2-1-0 overall (1-0-0 mark at home; 1-1-0 mark on the road). Two of the three contests were decided in extra time, including a 4-3 shootout win on Feb. 12 at Boston. The Rangers’ penalty kill was 15-16 (93.8%) in the series. Rick Nash led all skaters with three assists in three games, while Brad Richards (one goal, one assist), Derek Stepan (one goal, one assist), and Dan Girardi (two assists) each registered two points in the series. Henrik Lundqvist was 2-1-0 with a 2.93 GAA and .913 Sv%.
The Rangers have won 11 of their last 15 games against the Bruins, including seven of their last nine meetings, and are 22-7-2 against Boston since 2005-06
The Blueshirts are 12-3-0 in their last 15 games against the Bruins at MSG, dating back to a 3-2 win on Nov. 20, 2005
Henrik Lundqvist has started in 27 consecutive games against Boston, dating back to Jan. 13, 2007
New York is 4-4-0 at home; Boston is 4-3-0 on the road
New York is 4-1-0 vs. Atlantic Division opponents; Boston is 2-3-0 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents
New York lists one former Bruin on its roster: Benoit Pouliot (2011-12)
Boston lists two former Rangers on its roster: Chad Johnson (2009-10 – 2010-11); Marc Savard (1997-98 – 1998-99)

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. BRUINS: Henrik Lundqvist – 30 GP, 21-7-2, 6 SO, 1.67 GAA; Brad Richards – 37 GP, 8-23-31; Dominic Moore – 29 GP, 4-8-12; Ryan Callahan – 22 GP, 5-6-11; Michael Del Zotto – 13 GP, 2-5-7.

Lead the league with three goals in 5-on-3 situations
The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held their opponents scoreless in each of the last three games (six attempts), and four of the last five (10-11, 90.9% over the span)
Power Play: The Rangers were 0-5 (9:10) on Sunday vs. Los Angeles. New York ranks 18th in the NHL overall (12-69, 17.4%), and 28th at home (3-32, 9.4%). The Rangers are 3-9 (3:22) in five-on-three situations (last – 11/17 vs. LAK), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (2): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 1-1 (2:00) on Sunday vs. Los Angeles. New York ranks 10th in the NHL overall (57-68, 83.8%), and 16th at home (21-25, 84.0%). The Rangers are 2-3 (2:49) in three-on-five situations (last – 11/4 vs. ANA), and 1-2 (0:27) when three-on-four (last – 11/2 vs. CAR). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Sunday vs. Los Angeles, and are now -1 in 22 four-on-four situations (34:37) this season. Four-on-four goals for (2): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard). Four-on-four goals allowed (3): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes).

CLOSE CALL: The Rangers and Bruins have been separated by one goal in 19 of their last 24 meetings, including eight games that required extra time and six that went to the shootout, dating back to Mar. 24, 2007. Four of the other five games during the stretch were decided by two goals, while one was decided by three goals (3-0 win on Feb. 14, 2012 at BOS). New York is 12-5-2 in one-goal games against Boston over the span.

ORIGINAL SIX SHOWDOWN: Tonight’s contest will be the fourth of 14 scheduled games against Original Six opponents this season (2-1-0). Since 2005-06, New York has posted a record of 60-38-12 against Original Six teams, including a 22-7-2 mark vs. Boston over the span. The Rangers’ .600 win% ranks third, trailing Detroit (.631, 45-24-11) and Montreal (.606, 85-53-13), and ahead of Chicago (.562, 40-30-11), Boston (.533, 70-60-23), and Toronto (.487, 63-67-21).

SHUTTING THE DOOR: The Rangers have held opponents to two or fewer goals in 11 of the last 13 games, and 12 of the last 15. New York has allowed 21 goals over the last 13 games (1.62 goals against per game), and 25 goals in the last 15 contests (1.67 goals against per game).

MAGNIFIQUE: The Rangers’ 1-0 win on Saturday against the Canadiens ended an eight-game winless streak for New York in Montreal (0-7-1), and was their first victory in Canada since the 2011-12 season (Mar. 28, 2012 at WPG, 4-2). The Blueshirts’ last win at Montreal was a 4-3 shootout victory on Mar. 17, 2009, and their last win in regulation was a 5-3 victory on Feb. 3, 2008. Ryan Callahan notched the game’s lone goal at 5:25 of the second period, snapping the Rangers’ 232:56 scoreless drought against Montreal, dating back to 12:29 of the second period on Feb. 19. The goal was the first for the Rangers in Montreal since Jan. 15, 2012 (John Mitchell at 12:49 of the first period), and gave the Blueshirts their first lead in Montreal since Jan. 15, 2011 (New York held a 1-0 lead with a Brian Boyle goal at 6:58 of the first period, until 13:19 of the first). In addition, the shutout was the Rangers’ first at Montreal since a 5-0 win on Feb. 25, 1967 (Ed Giacomin), a span of 115 regular season and playoff games. The last time the Blueshirts defeated the Canadiens 1-0 in Montreal was Jan. 18, 1940 (Dave Kerr).

STRONG BACKUP: Cam Talbot turned aside all 22 shots faced to post his first career shutout in the Rangers’ 1-0 win on Saturday at Montreal. Signed by the Rangers as an undrafted free agent on Mar. 30, 2010, Talbot is now 4-1-0 with a 1.58 GAA, .943 Sv%, and one shutout in five career NHL appearances. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, he is one of two goaltenders in franchise history, along with Lorne Chabot in 1926-27, to hold opponents to two or fewer goals in each of his first five NHL starts. Talbot is also the first Rangers’ rookie goaltender to post a win in four straight appearances since Henrik Lundqvist won in four straight games from Feb. 1, 2006 vs. PIT to Feb. 10, 2006 vs. TOR.

A FRESH START: The Rangers have won eight of their last 12 games (8-4-0), tallying 2.48 goals per game while allowing 1.58 goals per game over the span. Prior to their 3-2 overtime win on Oct. 26 at Detroit, New York averaged 1.50 goals per game and 3.88 goals against per game en route to a 2-6-0 record in the first eight games of their season-opening nine-game road trip.

Henrik Lundqvist – 4-4-0 with a 1.64 GAA, .942 Sv%, and 1 SO in his last eight games since returning from injury on Oct. 27 vs. MTL, having held opponents to two or fewer goals in six of those contests
Cam Talbot – 4-0-0 with a 1.46 GAA, .951 Sv%, and 1 SO in his last four games
Ryan Callahan – five points (three goals, two assists) in seven games since returning from injury
Brad Richards – seven points (one goal, six assists) in the last eight games, with six points (one goal, five assists) in the last six
Derek Stepan – nine points (four goals, five assists) in the last 10 games
Mats Zuccarello – 10 points (two goals, eight assists) in 12 games since his healthy scratch on Oct. 24 at PHI
Ryan McDonagh – eight points (three goals, five assists) in the last 10 games
Chris Kreider – nine points (two goals, seven assists) in the last 10 games, and 10 points (two goals, eight assists) in 13 games following his recall on Oct. 20
Carl Hagelin – seven points (four goals, three assists) in the last eight games, and eight points (four goals, four assists) in 10 games since returning from injury

CLOSING TIME: The Blueshirts have registered a point in 99 consecutive regular season games when leading after the second period, dating back to the 2009-10 season, posting a record of 93-0-6 over the span. The Rangers’ last regulation loss in a game when entering the third with the lead was Feb. 4, 2010 (6-5 loss vs. WSH). New York is 7-0-0 when leading after the second period this season, and have held opponents to a league-best, 10 goals against in the final frame.

Rick Nash (IR – 10/14; head injury – 10/8, out indefinitely) – 17
Taylor Pyatt (concussion – 11/7, out indefinitely) – 4
Total Man-Games Lost: 49

Nov. 18 – Assigned forward Brandon Mashinter to Hartford (AHL)


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  1. Rick Nash (IR – 10/14; head injury – 10/8, out indefinitely) – 17

    I dont see a Ranger’s win in my crystal ball. unless its another shutout.

  2. Hank has a decent record against the Bruins – whoever can score 2 goals in one of these is the winner.

    In other observations capgeek project us to have $5m+ in cap space at the deadline. Presumably down the extra IR savings from Hagelin and Nash, and burying Asham and Powe. I wonder whether Pyatt will go on the IR?

  3. Stranger Nation on

    Scheduling a charp the day after a tough game is just marketing genius! If we get blown out the charp may end at 5.

  4. Hopefully, the Rangers can muster a little more focus than they displayed in their Sunday shutout loss to LA. I’m hopeful but not optimistic. And hope that they don’t bring Gnash back against Lucic and the Bruins, but, hey, boys will be boys.

  5. Matty"NashWillBeBack"Boy on

    Avenge last year’s PO loss. THey killed us! Beat THEM up! Show them.


  6. Anyone watching the Pens/Ducks game last night saw two terrific teams play the kind of hockey usually associated with the playoffs.

    The differences in size, strength, overall speed and talent are substantial to what we see from the Rangers.

    How to get from here to there?

  7. Probably not the best game to come back for, right? The Bruins are a pretty nasty (*RIGGED*) team.

  8. Quick throwback to a question from last night asked by a really smart and handsome poster who doesn’t look like a stupid DC area goalie.

    Pooling the two trades with Columbus and assuming NYR and Columbus were going to go back and forth and sort of expansion draft from the pool, which order would you rank them (age, salary, etc all factored)?


    Also, where’s the line from “I want him” to “no, you take him”, if there is one?

  9. Unpopular opinion here: Lucic is overrated and hasn’t been effective since 2012. Just throwing that out there.

    Marchand has been struggling mightily this season, as well. If the Rangers don’t let him run around like the weasel he is, they’ll be fine.

  10. Lucic is a line dependent player who would be among the annual league leaders in bad/dumb/counterproductive plays if those could be properly quantified. When Boston trades them, and they will, it’ll be for far too great of a return.

  11. Gaborik

    I downgraded Nash and Dubinsky because of their contracts.

  12. Hmm, I see you said expansion draft, which may be different because I was thinking about what players help me most this season.

  13. 1. Nash
    2. Dubinsky
    3. Moore
    4. Brassard
    5. Anisimov
    6. Erixon
    7. Dorsett
    8. Gaborik

    I’m just not sold on Erixon, regardless of how much control I’d have over him.

  14. This is a stupid sentence and one I hate when people write but … “Do you think you can build a winning team with Nash as your best / highest paid player?”

    I just don’t see it. If he wins a cup, its when the Rangers are retaining a part of his salary or he’s a year out of this deal.

  15. Looking back on my list, I’m flipping Nash and Gabby. I just don’t want that deal on my books.

  16. As an expansion team, you’re not going to have a ton of salary anyway. And, it’s only a five year deal with little recapture penalty attached to it.

    I do see your point, since Columbus essentially had Nash as their centerpiece, but it’s not like they put together a good supporting cast.

  17. Nash is the CLEAR Number 1. But he has to be moved down based on his recent concussion issues and, of course, we have to see him come back from this stronger than ever to put him back at #1.

  18. So Gravy, adjusting the question a little, if these guys were all free, which 4 would you put on the current Rangers? I think I’m going the components of the Gaborik deal + taking Dubinsky back.

  19. Nash is the clear #1 in terms of talent and potential impact, but he’s overpaid in terms of dollars and term. Just not a contract I’d want on my books.

  20. _So Gravy, adjusting the question a little, if these guys were all free, which 4 would you put on the current Rangers?_

    Nash, Dubinsky, Moore, Dorsett

  21. So its established that I’m in the minority of seeing more value in “no Nash” than in “Nash”?

  22. Mister D, I’m with you, didn’t want Nash from the time I heard the rumor but several ranger fans posted how great hew was and I disputed that if he was so great he would make players around him better. Than they showed his highlight reel, big deal, so once a year he carries the puck from end to end, around the defense and scores. Unfortunately where now stuck with Nash who is a individualist puck carry, player, one dimensional.

  23. Last season Rick Nash had 21 goals and 21 assists in 44 games, which over an 82 game season is 39 goals and 39 assists.

    That’s been missing from our team pretty much all season, yet we still have productive players in Stepan, Callahan, Richards, Zucc, The Kreider and Hagelin and Brassard will be productive again once he no longer has to play with 4th liners.

    The way this team is playing right now, the addition of Nash should make us extremely dangerous as we’ve been playing great hockey since the disastrous road-trip.

  24. So its established that I’m in the minority of seeing more value in “no Nash” than in “Nash”?

    I put Nash at the top for the sheer potential. More I think about it I’m starting to agree with you. If this latest concussion didn’t happen I might keep him there…but I want a do-over. Moving him to 5th, right behind Artie.

  25. I was the first person on here to say that we didn’t need Eric Christensen …

    Do I get any credit?

  26. Tommy, I was arguing right next to you that “no Nash” was preferable, then I saw him and I’m a softie so I got on board, and now all of the risk factors that originally scared me off (what if we’re not tangibly better, the player cost will hurt too much, what if he gets hurt, look at the cap) are playing out at once.

  27. You guys are absolutely insane. I think we need Carp to come talk some sense into you guys, because the notion that there is a GM in this league (except maybe Garth Snow) who wouldn’t choose Nash over any of those players.

    I think this prolonged absence has made you guys forget just how good he is…

  28. Oleo, he’s the 8th highest cap hit in the league (and no one above him is older). Its not a simple “Nash sucks!!!” argument, its “does his cap hit and risk outweigh the positives”. Obviously we’d be hurting to just subtract him off the roster, but in a wide open league, Nash + his cap hit isn’t in the top 100 taken.

  29. Who cares what Nash’s cap hit is? The cap hit only matters when a team has cap problems and the Rangers are in a perfectly good cap situation.

    Now Richards, that’s another problem…

  30. I know I shouldn’t be thinking about beer at 11am, but I have an important decision to make later. I have to stop by a lovely watering hole on the way home from work and re-fill my growler…

    Kane Head High IPA


    Founders Breakfast Stout

    Really tough choice here. Both are maximum yummy.

  31. Nash

    At the moment Dubsinky is skewing this trade in the Blue Jackets favour (he’s pretty much the de facto C), but once Nash is back and scoring a point a game again and Brassard is not being such a “friendly ghost” then it’s slightly back in the Rangers favour.

  32. I’d still like to see Miller in instead if Pouliot. That said, I think this is Pouliot’s last chance because Miller is not going to be the 13th forward for long.

  33. Totally agree, Latona. I mean…I know it’s a bit silly to have a mentality where keeping him out one more game will somehow protect him further, but I can’t shake the feeling that Nash just shouldn’t play tonight.

  34. Uncle Larry’s piece today was very true – if anyone tries to lay a hit on Nash like the Stuart one, whoever is on the ice needs to jump them and send a message.

    I’d also expect Vigneault to pick his spots and try and put him out when Looch and Lurch and not on the ice.

  35. @Gravy

    I forgot

    On a serious note…I bet Kreider steps up for him if something goes down. Don’t know how he fights but just like he didn’t realize he can send most of the league flying at will, I’m sure that could possibly translate to his fists. I hope?

  36. Booby, that’s an impossible call. Kane is amazing, a legit top 10 for me … but Founders has the rarity factor. Any chance you’re talking the Whole Foods in Vauxhall (wink wink Millburn).

  37. _On a serious note…I bet Kreider steps up for him if something goes down. Don’t know how he fights but just like he didn’t realize he can send most of the league flying at will, I’m sure that could possibly translate to his fists. I hope?_

    Which then sets up a worst case scenario of re-concussed Nash plus a broken hand or broken spirit for Kreider.

  38. Jeff in Dakota, transiting Dante’?

    How refreshing is another literate poster!

    I assume you were referring to the blog? :)

  39. But seriously, if Lucic runs Nash, that’s when you respond with something equally or even more cheap. I know that’s not our style and its terrible and dangerous and bad for the league … but this dude not only has a history, he might have been the genesis here. If he takes a run at Nash, make him miss time for it.

  40. boston is built for the long hall. i picked them to win it all in a rematch with Chicago. not much weakness if healthy

  41. Mister D, do you really believe that arguably our best prospect who offers all the ingredients we’ve been missing should risk injury taking on an agitator or goon?

    And possibly diminish his self esteem in the process?

    Possibly in either case derailing a good career?

    You usually display more perspective in your comments.

    Do better! :)

  42. Maybe Nash will be on a line with Dorsett, or out with Moore/Falk mostly, or even Callahan. It will be AV’s job to put Nash out at the right time.

  43. Mister D, I’d not only go after Lucic, but also Rask and Marchand at a minimum. Maybe that rascal Krug as well. If Nash gets run tonight, I’d be perfectly fine with NYR abandoning the mission of winning the game to inflict punishment on the Bruins.

    Nash getting run by Lucic or possibly someone else is a legitimate possibility. I wouldn’t have played him tonight.

  44. Boston has a pretty big weakness in that they’re missing elite 1st line scoring. Granted, I love teams built that way, but most of the great teams have atleast one serious SCORER. Even the Kings had Jeff Carter, a SCORER versus a guy who can score.

  45. Del Zotto scratched for the 3rd straight game. Falk remains in lineup. Vigneault said he likes the “bite” rugged Dman provides vs. BOS

    I just had a Torts flashback. Not that that’s a bad thing. Is he going to start using the term “jam” as well?

  46. Mister D, exactly what is “our style”?

    Average speed, average size, strength, little scoring potential and generally passive?

    Did I cover everything?

    On the plus side you often ask thought provoking questions which I’m sure you already know the answers to, yes? You give good blog!!! :)

  47. I’d like to see Nash on the LW with Dorsett (who’d be opposite Lucic or whoever is the LW) and Brassard.

    Kreider – Stepan – MZA
    Nash – Brassard – Dorsett (see, I made that the 2nd line so no one thinks our $7M+ player is on the 3rd line
    Hagelin – Richards – Callahan (oops, here’s our other almost $7M player)
    Boyle – Moore – Pouliot

  48. Oh man, I forgot about Falk. He can take on those guys, he’s pretty big.

    What about keeping McIlrath on the roster as a 7th D to protect Nash???

  49. Torts probably leaned too far to the D, Sather makes some signings and trades that completely ignore it.

  50. @ Mister D

    I was referring to a place called The Cloverleaf (Caldwell). A magical establishment by Jersey’s standards (although they did just win best craft beer bar in the northeast, third in the country, as rated by

    Said bar just had a Founders tap takeover…about 15 or so handles. Splendid.

    Kane might be my #1 brewer, though. I’ve had about 10 different varieties and all are just fantastic. If you ever head to the shore for the weekend you should stop by there brewery (Ocean Township). Close to LBI.

  51. Latona, who on this roster is really capable of inflicting punishment on larger humans?

    Dorsett middleweight, Falk untested in battle?

    Why does anyone think Sather has been trying to purchase a deterrent for years?

    Unsuccessfully and costly!

  52. If we trade Del Zotto – as per current rumour mill, i’d expect to see McIlrath up as a 6/7 D-man splitting time with Falk (depending on who/what we trade DZ for)

  53. Booby, any CBS at the takeover? I have quite a few 4 packs of KBS in the cellar now. No CBS, however…

  54. Mister D, I read everything you write ,in fact I just complimented you!

    As to your eval of “who we are”, agreed but it’s not been a successful formula, yes?

    Finally, is it possible that you and one “Booby”( unfortunate choice of handles unless not a dude! :)

    Are residents of the West Essex area in NJ?

    The Cloverleaf has decent burgers!

  55. Well sucks for Del Zotto, but I think we can solve a lot of toughness issues going with Falk and McIlrath. Del Zotto will rebound, but he has become expendable with our need of toughness and the emergence of J. Moore and Mcdonagh.

  56. Jeff, Nash has scored just under a point per game (granted he was “good” in the playoffs) and led the team in goals last season.

  57. _Mister D, I read everything you write ,in fact I just complimented you!_

    But you attributed wanting Kreider to fight to me when my only post on that was outlining just how it could go wrong.

  58. UK, yes average, as always compared to both the level of effectiveness of speed when factored in to the rest of the equation. IOW, in order for speed to produce results it should lead to a scoring chance.

    Sort of like dribbling in hoops.

    And other than Kreider, Hagelin wouldn’t you say average?

  59. Lagunitas – Sucks is awesome and one of my favorite names given the background
    Dark Horse – Never been knocked over
    Bell’s – Hopslam might be my most disappointing beer, but I’ve only had it once and want to try again to see if its me or them
    Founders – Yes … All Day is one of the best things to happen to craft beer in the last decade (seriously)
    Dogfish Head – Overrated, all their beers have the same sugar taste
    Goose Island – F them because of the Budweiser ownership
    Victory – Underrated as hell, Dirt Wolf (the new DIPA) is great

    Lawson’s is amazing. Just amazing. Hill Farmstead I’ve still never gotten a chance to try and it kills me.

  60. Apparently, AV has jumbled all the lines since they scored one goal over the last two games.

    Last line Nash was on with Boyle and Hagelin.

  61. _As to your eval of “who we are”, agreed but it’s not been a successful formula, yes?_

    To date, no, it hasn’t worked. I’d still go with it simply because I think that at its worst, its still solid and this league has shown solid + hot streak can carry you. Its a formula I’d step away from for a legit superstar, I just wish we’d stop doing so for the second tier.

  62. Founder’s all day Ipa is the best thing to happen to craft beer in a while. It’s like being so responsible about things. I’m growing up so fast!

    Carton Boat Beer is along the same lines of low ABV and deliciousness too.

  63. Mash sent down to make room for Nash on the roster.

    Now Miller out, has to mean Nash is in tonight…. right?

  64. _Lagunitas Brown Shugga. Get it if you haven’t._

    Killer sneaky ABV. And that being gone birthed sucks so its win-win.

  65. Leto, don’t we really need more talent to go with the toughness?

    And unless Kreider has in the past displayed any fisticuffs prowess do we really want him to risk his career?

    Mister D, how else would or should Kreider respond to an assault which I thought your post implied?

  66. Comnsnse – you mean like when Kreider’s speed chasing down the puck created the goal for Miller and when Hagelin’s speed on the forecheck created a goal for himself?
    I also think Moore, McD, Cally, Dorsett, Zuke all show above average speed, even Richards has improved to “about average” this year.

  67. Comnsnse, I’m only talking about these things occurring in the event that Nash gets run by Lucic tonight. I agree with your sentiment.

  68. “Killer sneaky ABV. And that being gone birthed sucks so its win-win”

    Wait…it’s gone? Had it a few times about a year ago and couldn’t wait for it to show up somewhere again.

  69. _Mister D, how else would or should Kreider respond to an assault which I thought your post implied?_

    I said someone, not Kreider. And unless Kreider is on ice and wants to board him, I’d put Kreider on the “do not respond” list. Let someone tougher or more veteran do the dirty work and leave the skill kids out.

  70. Stranger Nation on

    Mash out. Miller out, El Zotto out. Of the 3, I would have put Mash in for his Bickelesque 4 min TOI.
    Kreider- Step- Nash
    Hags- Bucky- Cally
    Boyle- Broshard -Dorsett
    Pullout- D Mre -Zucchini

    that be our softest line up up front this season
    Miller has not scored, but has been active around the net and takes the body.
    Having Falk in for El Zotto helps in the physical dept.

  71. _Wait…it’s gone? Had it a few times about a year ago and couldn’t wait for it to show up somewhere again._

    Two(?) years ago they didn’t put it out, didn’t have space and/or time, so they put Sucks in its place. Named it Sucks because so many people were ripping them and saying “Lagunitas Sucks for not putting out Brown Shugga”.

  72. Nash -Boyle – Hags

    Boyle will be in front of the net for Nash & Hags to shoot at.

    Plus some power play time.

    Does he score a goal on his first game back?

  73. I’d have Mash in here too. What do we really expect Pouliot to do? Aren’t we past “might contribute on offense”?

  74. Sucks is one of the best IPAs, EVER!

    The new Brown Shugga’ is amazing this year. Already went through two 6ers…

    @Booby, that sucks. CBS rocks. Oh well, hopefully they make it again.

    @Mister D…have you ever tried Dark Horse Double Crooked Tree or Plead The 5th? Love those.

    Also, Bell’s Black note is an amazing Bourbon barrel aged imperial stout…really hard to get. But really tasty.

    I actually LOVE Hopslam…but it has to be fresh. Falls off a cliff real quick. But fresh…amazing.

  75. I really hope AV leaves all the lines intact and plays Nash with Brassard and Pouliot.

    Our top 2 lines have been generating lots of chances, they just haven’t finished. No need to break things up now.

  76. _I actually LOVE Hopslam…but it has to be fresh. Falls off a cliff real quick. But fresh…amazing._

    This is what I was thinking happened, I got it after 2 months. Flower Power is the exact way, fresh is wonderful, older is downright bad.

  77. Zucch on the fourth line, no way.

    he is probably the most creative stick handler on the team and despite his size does stick his nose in the tight spots.

    Too bad his speed is lacking or he would be to the Rangers what Marchand is to the Bruins.

    But an absolute waste on the fourth line.

    As for “challenging” the Bruins and most other teams, the Rangers simply don’t have the assets to do so and will only result in being shorthanded.

    They have to function as “team Timex” and just keep ticking.

  78. Rob in Beantown on

    I just wanted to pop in to say that I ditched my conference last night to seek out some Pliny. Wound up at a dive called Toronado somewhere in SF. Totally worth it. No regrets. Now I need to figure out a way to ditch again and go back at 4:30 this afternoon. LGR!!

  79. Mister D’s top 10 (which isn’t really 10 because he doesn’t feel like wedging in non-elite beers) …

    1. Heady Topper (Alchemist – VT)
    2. Pliny the Elder (Russian River – CA)
    3. Double Sunshine (Lawson’s – VT)
    – – – – – – (cut line for super elite vs real awesome) – – – – – – –
    4. Lunch (Maine Beer Co – ME)
    5. Higher Standard (Peekskill – NY)
    6. Zombie Dust (Three Floyds – IN)
    7. Head High (Kane – NJ)

    Just on the outside, Sucks, super fresh Sculpin, the Stone Enjoy by series. I’m sure some other dope ones.

  80. Rob DAMMIT! I meant to post here last week and give that exact recommendation. Toronado is a place that makes you feel uncomfortable walking in and pretty much until you order, but its great. Awesome call.

  81. Most interesting aspect to the challenge of ranking Rangers-CBJ players involved in trades, is where the Moore-Erixon comparision will go, for their careers?

    Erixon, just being recalled, needs to jump on the chance to establish himself at this level, above “journeyman” status. Edge to Moore, so far, but he, too, needs to make a career statement, soon, especiallly given the disintegration of MDZ’s game and the permanent loss of the solid contributions of Michael Sauer.

  82. Erixon is supposed to be higher ceiling but higher variance, right? That (and the toughness) is why I took Moore, but its tough to go wrong with a young D who projects top 4.

  83. Keep your fingers xed that Lucic does not run Gnash…interesting to see what happens with the shuffled lines tonight…El Zotto has time to think about his role, and Falk brings toughness, as noted. *Could* be an interesting game.

  84. On that list, you might find 5 and 7 around you, 4 sporadically. The others either don’t ship here or are rare, rare finds. Don’t pass up at any cost if you see.

  85. (Like Lunch was $13 for a 16.9 oz at Ginger Man. If you look at it as $6.50 for two 8.5 oz pours, its high but its not going to kill you. And so worth it.)

  86. Yesterday, the denegration debate was McDonuts; today, it’s Nash. Tomorrow we’ll hear from six people that Gretzky was too small and Messier too bald.

  87. C’mon, coos. Nash is not in the same category as two all-timers and a young, top pair D on a great deal.

  88. In reference to Nash, isn’t usually the coaches decision with the medical staff when a player will return? Typically, doesn’t the player want to get back on the ice as soon as possible, so not always the best judge of when he should start? Can’t understand why AV wouldln’t have Nash come back Thursday instead of against Boston.

  89. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Will Nash be wearing the bullseye on the back of his jersey or the back of his helmet? IMO this isn’t a “good” move.

  90. Even Sather has had his brilliant moments, with recognizing the unique talent of Gretzky.

    Understanding that a talent of his magnitude supersedes size and strength.

    His cognitive skills have sure diminished over the years eh?

  91. Coos, is “hyper bole” like the old toilets with the 2 gallon flush?

    That should get you started! :)

  92. ROB: Still need your opinion on Handsomeness factor for everyone involved in the Nash and Gaborik trades.


  93. Save water on hyper bole. Just another brick in the bole. Or is it the tank? Tanks for the masonry.

  94. The Duguay Trophy: To the Most Photogenic Disco Daddy. Saw a cable show recently where Dooogie says that he was the “coolest” athlete in the history of NY Sports.

  95. Coos, his wife thinks so and she’s a 10!

    But those threads must be updated!

    BTW, are you the lawyer turned comedian appearing in White Plains this weekend? :)

  96. I’ve never had Younger, heard its even better. It comes out in Philadelphia but apparently one small keg per site and the lines are insane.

  97. 4generations 4 cups on

    i know this is kind of out of left field but is there any official news on Michael Sauer? miss that dude like crazy.

  98. 4generations4Cups, is that meant as a sly stick in the eye for the organization? Just asking! :)

  99. Ranger fans missed a lot of on-ice action oogling Carol Alt. The Big Whistle precursed Micheletti hollering like a drunken sailor about Greschner’s “young legs, Jim.”

  100. Coos, perhaps you’re refitting your stove pipe hat and rehearsing your speech commemorating the “Coos Address”?

  101. 1. Dubinsky
    2. Brassard
    3. Nash
    4. Moore
    5. Anisimov
    6. Gaborik
    7. Dorsett
    8. Erixon

    Biggest dropoff being 4 to 5.

  102. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Why do Rangers fans miss Sauer? He played a little more than the equivalent of one full season. He wasn’t a great player, by any stretch of the imagination.

  103. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Someone earlier said there are ‘rumors’ that MDZ is on the block? Anyone hear anything about that?

    I give AV credit for realizing that some strength on the blue line is needed. Not sure I want to give up on MDZ, though, either.

  104. Kenneth: He was the *perfect* fit. If you could plug a non-star onto this team right now, 2nd pair RHD willing to mix it up is at or near the top.

  105. Ken, sometimes sentiment rules sense?

    Matty, I believe he was sighted on 6th.Av…….looking for love in all the wrong places! :)

  106. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    There were comments earlier to the effect that MacD is not a good offensive defenseman.

    I don’t think we have enough information yet on him, Staal, even MDZ.

    You have to remember, for years Torts beat up on these guys and he wanted them to play ‘d’, shot block, do a lot of things, create a lot of habits that now they are being asked to tear down. All of a sudden, and we are only 20 games in, they’re being asked to join the play and go deep. MacD is progressing. Stahl and MDZ seem to be struggling with their new freedom. Gotta give this some time to see how it works out.

  107. Have to believe Slats would package MDZ and some young Hartford talent for a relatively young, tough Clowe-like player with size and some offensive abilities. Who might fit that picture?

  108. Mister D, cool it with the suds!

    Sauer was another average non star player which seems to proliferate in this organization.

    Enough of average,please! (:)

  109. Statement includes: “If you could plug a non-star …”

    Counter includes: “Sauer was another average non star …”

  110. Matty, are you speaking of our first pair D McD or McIll.

    McD has definite offensive skills but perhaps the coaches are concerned that he must be opportunistic and not gung ho on offense since his defense is stellar.

    Coos, try not to pick up on that last word!!! (;)

  111. somebody posted that larry brooks said if nash gets run anybody on the ice needs to jump in. I would like to know does Larry brooks watch ranger games? This is where I mean the rangers are soft. They don’t have a guy like that on there squad or anybody who has that element in there game. The only one is Dorsett and he is small, not intimidating. I give Dorsett all the props in the world for trying but he gets hammered every time. this is where the rangers are lacking big time and will catch up to them sooner or later, soft as ice scream.

  112. Havlat at 40% cost for Pouliot with a caveat that they have to take Havlat back after this season.

  113. Manny, the important part of that Rotter article is the second. He says probably a few weeks ago when they were dealing with all the injuries.

    Thankfully, everyone is getting healthy.

  114. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    You know what, Coos? I don’t disagree. He was our ‘one’ stay at home, crease clearing guy. Not huge, but strong and big enough. It’s just that balance we have been lacking.

  115. Met Carol Alt with Yashin and Kvasha at Russian Samovar years ago. Well spoken and well dressed. 10 years (or so) later, Charles Wang is still paying for her shoes.

  116. Does anyone really think that (John Scott, Colton Orr, etc.) is going to stop a player if they want to take a run at someone?

    If a player has to jump in, it’s already too late.

  117. gravy, those are goons, I don’t want goons, I want hockey players who can play the game but also who can drop the gloves or even get involved when it calls for it. Rangers lack those type of players.

  118. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I’m a bit surprised on a couple of things…

    I would have kept Nash out for another week (and I damn sure would *NOT* have played him against Boston)

    Also, I can’t believe how many of you are shocked miller came out of the lineup instead of Pouliot. You should all know better.

  119. Sauer – McD and Girardi – Staal were about the two most complimentary D pairs they’ve had since Beukeboom – Leetch and Zubov – Lowe.

  120. tommy, So, you’re looking for a guy who is huge, can fight, and score 15 goals?What you’re asking for doesn’t exist on most teams.

  121. If a member of the opposition starts running around recklessly, endangering teammates, the enforcers job is to immediately whisper in his ear that he is an arrogant punk and to challenge him to put up or shut up, not wait until someone is seriously hurt.

  122. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Cmn, @2:45, MacD. Thats what was said.

    I feel strongly these defensemen are being liberated and they just need game experience with the new freedom. Let’s give them that time. See what they got.

    Stahl, for one, I believe, was really hurt by the coaching. Brian Leetch, I’m not expecting, but for the first couple of years, he was told to stay back and rarely crossed the offensive blue line. He NEVER rushed up ice. You do that to a kid for a couple of years and of course he’ll be fearful of the offensive side.

  123. Coos, agreed. But, what everyone seems to be talking about is if a player takes a run at Nash. A guy like Lucic isn’t going to fight an enforcer, and an enforcer isn’t going to stop him from hitting.

  124. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Gravy @ 2:53, totally agree. Those 2 were working well together. Really well.

  125. Leetch was a strong skater, but not nearly as fast as McDonagh. Not comparing McD to the best offensive Dman we’ve ever had, but just stating fact.

  126. gravy, doesn’t have to be huge but have a little nastiness, grit and if need be drop the gloves and can play the game, doesn’t necessarily mean they will score 15 goals. I’m not talking about the whole team either, maybe 1 or 2 on the blue line and a few forwards. rangers have none. I don’t count Dorsett, he couldn’t intimidate a mouse.

  127. _A guy like Lucic isn’t going to fight an enforcer, and an enforcer isn’t going to stop him from hitting._

    I think that’s when the enforcer simply doesn’t give him a chance. Take the instigator and the game and the suspension if need be.

  128. Right. The enforcer’s job is to insure and enforce fair play for his boys, so that his more skilled teammates are not intimidated, not so much to effectuate retribution after the fact, though both are in play.

  129. tommy, can you give an example of who you’re thinking about? Not being sarcastic, just inquiring.

    MD, but then he’s out of the game, and Lucic is free to do what he wants.

  130. Right, Carp, that’s the problem with Lucic. He’s big enough to get away with his cheapies. That’s why you resort to being as cheap or cheaper if need be. Hit the numbers, slash the wrist, I don’t care. Pretend you’re Lucic and Lucic is Lucic’s girlfriend. Maybe the refs will pretend they’re the Boston PD and we’ll avoid time in the box.

    (Man, that was a tortured analogy. Feels great. Deep breath.)

  131. not the players the rangers have it won’t stop it from happening because the opposition knows that nobody on the rangers will do anything about it, than or later in the game.

  132. _MD, but then he’s out of the game, and Lucic is free to do what he wants._

    No, Gravy, because Lucic is in the hospital and he’s crying and bleeding and all the nurses are laughing at him and talking about how cool and cute that Mashinter kid is.

  133. Dorsett couldn’t intimidate a mouse? Tell that to every player along the boards trying to play the puck who knows that the gritty mouse will finish every check and finish it with vigor.

  134. if the rangers had a few guys who would be cheap behind the scenes or go after the opositions star players other teams would less likely try to do something cheap to the rangers star players.

  135. cooscoos, you mean every time Dorsett tries to hit someone along the boards and ends up half the time on the ice.

  136. Dorsett isn’t going to scare Lucic, but I guarantee you there are plenty of smaller, better players who know when he’s on the ice. And bigger guys who aren’t intimidated, but atleast occupied.

  137. _if the rangers had a few guys who would be cheap behind the scenes or go after the opositions star players other teams would less likely try to do something cheap to the rangers star players._

    The problem with having guys like that is having guys like that. They suck.

  138. Kreider has gotten good at finishing checks that don’t need finishing. Boyle and T-Py finish as well.

  139. I am not worried about Nash getting any cheap shots. If anyone on Boston tries any carcillo, Dorsett and others will be at their throats.

    Not to mention the refs are well aware and will be ready for it.

  140. Refs aren’t going to make Nash’s brain function properly and we know Shanahan would never consider a massive suspension for a certain Boston ogre because he’s too name. And probably “not that kind of player”.

  141. Which is to say I’m honestly, legitimately concerned. I absolutely hate watching “first games back from concussion” no matter what, but this one is going to be especially rough.

  142. With all that has gone on this year with the concussion scenarios, anyone who is so evil as to unequivocally be judged to have targeted the head should get a season suspension.

  143. Agreed, Coos, but Shanahan spelled his process out when he said he would be suspended alot if he were still a player. Should have lost his job right there and no I’m not kidding.

  144. @ Cooscoos

    I totally agree. For years now doctors must have known the severity of these head shots, but the public wasn’t nearly as tuned in. Now that it has (finally) become such a huge issue I can’t believe the NHL doesn’t punish these head shots 1000000% harder than they do. Shameful.

  145. You’re right, Mister D. He has the job because of compromise. The owners want some sort of discipline enforced, but see to it that someone like Shennanigans, who himself played on the edge, doses the discipline, assuaging the “public” while keeping the sport profitable and entertaining. If they appointed some daffodil intellectual, they would risk a dismantling of the game as we know it. Can’t disagree with their thinking, from their point of view.

  146. Even with icing, these NHL guys are entirely capable of starting and finishing on a dime without seriously endangering the opposing player. Hybrid icing is pansification to the extreme.

  147. When you consider how the Rangers stuck up for Nash in the last game, you have to wonder just how tuff we really are.

    If we are going to out skate, out score, and take the 2 points away in a close game, then I understand not taking a stupid penalty. But that wasn’t the case against the Sharks.

  148. Gravy did you like the Sioux Sweep last night?

    It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve brought a broom to a hockey game :)

  149. Sioux Sweep just sound good!

    Don’t worry I haven’t Siouxper Sized my TV dinner just yet.

    I’m not sure I’ll be able to say that after tonight :)

  150. Gravy I’m thinking those are your oven Mitt’s, getting my winner winner chicken dinner :)

  151. I’m right behind Nanny, I’ll need a Sioux Sweep to catch up.

    Manny sorry about Gaborik’s knee, but then again, that might be a blessing in disguise…..right?

  152. The Kreider doesn’t have to fight Lucic, he just needs to pretend he’s coming out of a swimming pool and explode on him.

  153. glad to see Nash did not wait one more game because they were playing the Bruins. good for him. Nash needs to play smart. if Lucic tries to run him, make sure your stick and elbows are up. I think the Rangers should not wait for Lucic to do something. they should go at him from the puck drop. he will get frustrated and take penalties. Lucic is not the brightest guy in the league.

  154. If you want to watching amateur-hour at its finest, watching the Rangers attempt to play hockey tonight.

    It’s going to be sheer brutality.

  155. I really think that tonight will be a shelling the likes of which the NHL – no, the hockey world – has never seen.

    A game in which the Rangers are so overmatched that the league will consider contraction and the fans will consider moving themselves and their families to rural Paraguay.

  156. I’m with bull dog. My initial thought was that he should’ve waited till Thursday. But he’s cleared by doctors, no reason to wait. If you want to feel comfortable about your injury, that’s the game to come back.

  157. Atta boy, Miami!

    A little late to your prior conversation. But you can put Scott, Brashear, Laraque ( at their prime) on each line, and Lucic will still go after Nash if he wants to. He simply won’t fight them, like he was ignoring Laraque all game a few years back. The Rangers don’t have enough muscle to run Lucic, but the sure can run Krejci and Co.

  158. Any true enforcer worth his salt will gladly take a game misconduct to protect his star player whether the other guy wants to fight or not.

  159. Two seasons ago McD hit Lucic hard behind the net. He was in a lot of pain coming off the ice. Ever since then he’s trying to get at McD. Does anyone remember that hit?

  160. I do not, ilb. Sounds pretty great though. McBust can be a pretty tough player. I will start googling…

  161. Carp with the exclamation point on any Ranger enforcer theory,i.e. who dat!

    Mr.D @2:55 you are a sly fellow always managing a little tidbit justifying a previously stated opinion.

    Actually very entertaining! (:)

  162. I would be running Lucic all night. put him on the defensive. when I am not running Lucic, I would be running Bergeron, and Kreichi.

  163. Coos- unfortunately this isn’t what it was when Semenko and McSorley played. Then it was simple- you run a star player, you have to answer the bell. These days, they walk away, and the refs interfere. You end up getting 10 min plus 2 min minor, letting your team down.

  164. don’t disagree about an enforcer taking a game misconduct if something like that happens. But the way the league is officiated, anybody who doesn’t want to fight is protected by the linesmen … unless his name is Braden Holtby.

  165. Enforcers don’t win Cups, and while the occasional dust up appears to be necessary to maintaining order.

    Let’s not be distracted from the basic issues of this roster.

    Size, speed, hockey toughness,(Neely/Phaneuf type) and above all some talent especially natural goal scorers.

  166. Are there so many of that type that you had to go all the way back to Neely? Just making a point. Those guys are few and far between and expensive (see Clowe, Clarkson this summer, Prust two summers ago).

  167. Any team would loooove to have McDonuts duke with some goon and take him out of the game twice for 5 minutes per battle. Loooove. (Especially Ovechkin)

  168. _I would be running Lucic all night. put him on the defensive. when I am not running Lucic, I would be running Bergeron, and Kreichi._

    Ick. I want no part of being the aggressor in terms of cheap shots.

  169. all of them Carp. if Lucic is out there hit em. like what is being discussed right now, nobody has to answer the bell. turn the tables on him. same with the other 2. don’t wait for it to happen to you and then respond, do it to them.

  170. Without cheap shots, there would be little or no need for bumbling enforcers in the game at all. No one gets mad at honest hockey.

  171. Ah, difference of definintion. I was thinking “run” as charging / cheapie stuff, not just target for contact. So we agree.

  172. To be quite honest, I’m more worried about Boston’s defense going from big and slow to big and dangerously mobile with the addition of Hamilton, Krug, and Bartkowski than about Lucic trying to hit our players.

  173. bull dog, I agree. But I don’t see Richards, Hagelin, Stepan, Zuccarello, Nash, Pouliot, D Moops running him. And none of the D-men.

  174. Have moved on from ‘Don’t Call Me Goon,’ and ‘The Hammer,’ by Dave Schultz. Am now reading ‘A Journey Through Tudor England,’ and ‘The Art of Loving’ by Erich Fromm.

  175. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Steven Spielberg is the Jewish Rick Carpiniello. Enough said.

  176. Carp, very picky ,no? How about Lucic then,, is he au courant enough? Hartnell and yes Clarkson?

    Mr.D. @5:04, my man you have bobbing and weaving skills comparable to jaguar Jon Arnett! ;)

    Carp, was my football analogy too dated? (S)

  177. Spielberg? Why not Scorcese and keep it in la famiglia?

    Maybe a documentary titled, “The Life and Times Of Glen Sather” featuring a panel of Sather observers pro and Comn? ;)

  178. Ranger won last 7-3-0 playing at home, Nash in!

    Boston 6-3-1, with their Johnson in, Rask out.

    Stick a fork in them.

    Rangers skate circles around them, unless Chara is breaking ankles with his slapshots.

  179. Falk should just put it in beast mode tonight. If he plays tough, hits hard, protects NASH, and the Rangers win…… it will be extra hard to take him out of the line-up!

  180. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Mcdonut is probably wetting himself at the thought of playing lucic or Hartnell, just like Staal does when playing semin.

  181. Carp, do you think that sometimes you are a little too sensitive?

    Mine was a joke too but again with the pouting!

    Besides which Marty has hair! ;)

  182. what are the Rangers doing with MDZ? I like Falk. I think his style of game is what the Rangers are lacking on D. but MDZ at his best is better than Falk at his best. if they are looking to deal MDZ, then sitting him out is hurting is value. I think they need to play MDZ and hope he finds his game.

  183. Godard, six goals, 800+ penalty minutes. Couldn’t play, but never left his buddies behind. :)

  184. Release THE KREIDER against Lucic, if they are the same size on paper the KREIDER should be able to handle him…..right?

  185. what do you think they are doing with him Carp? looking to deal him? or do they still believe he can play?

  186. I think they just want him to play a lot better than he has. If they can get something good for him, they’d probably deal him, and I’m sure teams are interested. But they’re not looking to dump him for good riddance.

  187. Wicky – that’s what I was saying.

    We will see how the “Fast & Furious” stack up to the Bumbling B’s.

    It should be a good game.

    IF the Rangers can beat Pittsburgh, they can beat the Bruins in one game. Not so sure about a 7 game series just yet.

  188. Stranger Nation on

    Surprised Norris doesn’t get more PP time – decent shot that gets through

    When Bruins heard we were playing Falk, they needed to suit up ohnson

  189. Stranger Nation on

    BTW – Dougie was getting benched last year. Will be interesting see how he is playing now. Still adjusting to pro game?

  190. I don’t care how people (ranger fans) want to cut it, splice it, cover it, the rangers are a soft team.

  191. Fast and Nashty Team Tommy.

    Here’s hoping Nash makes a splash, and hits the ground running!!!

    Have a Siouxper night boys see you on the other side.

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