Devils at Rangers tonight (7 p.m.) … pre-game notes


First this: We’re planning a Live Chat Wednesday at noon. Can everybody make it? Be there. Also this: Today is 11-12-13. Wooooooo. You won’t see that for another 100 years (and probably multiple Rangers Cups — maybe).

Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

Tuesday, Nov. 12, 7:00 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 9-8-0 (18 pts)
Devils: 5-7-5 (15 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the New Jersey Devils at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m. — TV: MSG Network; Radio: ESPN 98.7), in a Metropolitan Division matchup. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Metropolitan Division standings, and eighth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 9-8-0 (18 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Florida Panthers, 4-3, on Sunday at Madison Square Garden, to extend their winning streak to three games. New York has won seven of their last nine games, and six of their last seven contests. The Devils enter the contest with a 5-7-5 (15 pts) record to rank 11th in the Eastern Conference, and have a three-game point streak (2-0-1). Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the Montreal Canadiens on Saturday, Nov. 16, at Bell Centre (7:00 p.m.), in an Original Six matchup.

All-Time: 104-86-27-6 overall (58-30-20-2 at home; 46-56-7-4 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the second of five meetings this season, and the first of two meetings at Madison Square Garden. New York is 0-1-0 (0-0-0 at home; 0-1-0on the road), following a 4-0 loss on Oct. 19 at Prudential Center.
Last Season: New York was 3-1-0 overall (2-0-0 at home; 1-1-0 on the road). The Rangers out-scored the Devils, 12-6, including an 8-1 advantage at MSG and a 6-2 advantage after the first period. Ryan Callahan (three goals, two assists), Derek Stepan (two goals, three assists), and Brad Richards (five assists) tied for the series scoring lead with five points apiece, while Rick Nash tied Callahan with a series-high, three goals. Henrik Lundqvist was 3-1-0 with a 1.51 GAA, .940 Sv%, and one shutout.
The Rangers and Devils have been separated by two goals or less in 15 of their last 22 meetings
The Blueshirts have registered a point in 16 of their last 24 games against the Devils (14-8-2 over the span), dating back to a 3-0 win at Madison Square Garden on Mar. 30, 2009
New York is 4-2-0 at home; New Jersey is 2-6-3 on the road
New York is 5-2-0 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents; New Jersey is 2-3-1 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents
New York lists no former Devils on its roster
New Jersey lists two former Rangers on its roster: Ryane Clowe (2013); Jaromir Jagr (2003-04 – 2007-08)

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. DEVILS: Henrik Lundqvist – 46 GP, 28-13-5, 7 SO, 1.82 GAA; Brad Richards – 43 GP, 5-33-38; Ryan Callahan – 28 GP, 10-11-21; Derek Stepan – 17 GP, 4-9-13; Dan Girardi – 39 GP, 1-14-15

The Rangers’ power play has notched a goal in five of the last seven games, converting 6-24 (25.0%) with the man advantage over the span
Lead the league with three goals in 5-on-3 situations
The Blueshirts’ penalty kill is 36-42 (85.7%) in the last 12 games
Power Play: The Rangers were 1-3 (4:53) on Sunday vs. Florida. New York is tied for 14th in the NHL overall (11-56, 19.6%), and 22nd at home (3-22, 13.6%). The Rangers are 3-6 (1:52) in five-on-three situations (last – 11/10 vs. FLA), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (2): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 2-3 (3:32) on Sunday vs. Florida. New York is tied for 15th in the NHL overall (51-62, 82.3%), and ranks 20th at home (17-21, 81.0%). The Rangers are 2-3 (2:49) in three-on-five situations (last – 11/4 vs. ANA), and 1-2 (0:27) when three-on-four (last – 11/2 vs. CAR). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in one four-on-four situation (2:00) on Sunday vs. Florida, and are now -1 in 20 four-on-four situations (31:34) this season. Four-on-four goals for (2): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard). Four-on-four goals allowed (3): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes).

SINCE 2007-08: The Rangers are 23-10-3 overall (13-4-1 at home; 10-6-2 on the road) against the Devils since 2007-08, dating back to a 2-0 win on Oct. 25, 2007. Henrik Lundqvist is 23-10-2 with a 1.97 GAA, .926 Sv% and seven shutouts in 35 games over the span.

HEAD-TO-HEAD: Henrik Lundqvist has faced-off against Martin Brodeur in 36 career regular season games, posting a record of 24-7-5 with a 1.75 GAA, .934 Sv% and five shutouts in those contests.

A FRESH START: The Rangers have won seven of their last nine games (7-2-0), tallying 2.97 goals per game while allowing 1.65 goals per game over the span. Prior to their 3-2 overtime win on Oct. 26 at Detroit, New York averaged 1.50 goals per game and 3.88 goals against per game en route to a 2-6-0 record in the first eight games of their season-opening nine-game road trip. The Rangers have out-scored their opponents, 13-6, on their current three-game winning streak.

GOAL OUTBURST: The Blueshirts have registered four or more goals in each of the last three games, and four of their last five contests. New York has out-scored their opponents, 19-9, in the last five games.

FAST START: New York has tallied the first goal of the contest in three straight games, and in six of the last seven contests. The Rangers have posted a record of 8-1-0 this season when scoring first.

STREAKING RANGERS: The Rangers currently have five players with point streaks of three or more games, led by Carl Hagelin who is in the midst of a five-game point streak (four goals, three assists over the span). The five-game streak is a Rangers’ season-high, and ties Hagelin’s career-high for longest point streak (Feb. 10-19). Brad Richards (one goal, four assists), Ryan McDonagh (two goals, two assists), Derek Stepan (one goal, two assists), and Mats Zuccarello (one goal, two assists) are all on a three-game point streak.

Henrik Lundqvist – 5-3-0 with a 1.64 GAA, .936 Sv%, and 2 SO in his last eight games
Cam Talbot – has held opponents to two goals in each of his four career NHL appearances, and is 3-0-0 with a 1.95 GAA and .935 Sv% in his last three games
Carl Hagelin – five-game point streak (four goals, three assists over the span), and eight points (four goals, four assists) in seven games since returning from injury
Ryan Callahan – four points (two goals, two assists) in four games since returning from injury, and seven points (five goals, two assists) in his last six games
Mats Zuccarello – three-game point streak (one goal, two assists over the span), and nine points (two goals, seven assists) in nine games since his healthy scratch on Oct. 24 at PHI
Derek Stepan – three-game point streak (one goal, two assists over the span), and eight points (four goals, four assists) in the last seven games
Ryan McDonagh – three-game point streak (two goals, two assists over the span), and seven points (three goals, four assists) in the last seven games
Chris Kreider – seven points (two goals, five assists) in the last seven games, and eight points (two goals, six assists) in 10 games following his recall on Oct. 20
Brad Richards – three-game point streak (one goal, four assists over the span), and six points (one goal, five assists) in the last five games
Brian Boyle – three points (one goal, two assists) in the last three games
Michael Del Zotto – four points (one goal, three assists) in the last seven games
Derek Dorsett – two points (one goal, one assist) in the last three games

SHUTTING THE DOOR: The Rangers held opponents to two or fewer goals in nine straight games from Oct. 24 at Philadelphia to Nov. 7 at Columbus, allowing 1.54 goals per contest and posting a 6-3-0 record during the streak. It was the Blueshirts’ longest such streak since holding opponents to two or fewer goals in 12 straight games from Feb. 20, 1971 at Pittsburgh to Mar. 18, 1971 at Philadelphia.

CLOSING TIME: The Blueshirts have registered a point in 98 consecutive regular season games when leading after the second period, dating back to the 2009-10 season, posting a record of 92-0-6 over the span. The Rangers’ last regulation loss in a game when entering the third with the lead was Feb. 4, 2010 (6-5 loss vs. WSH). New York is 6-0-0 when leading after the second period this season, and have held opponents to an NHL best, nine goals against in the final frame.

MILESTONES IN SIGHT: Marc Staal – 1 point from 100th NHL career; Derek Dorsett – 3 games from 300th NHL career

Rick Nash (IR – 10/14; head injury – 10/8, out indefinitely) – 14
Dominic Moore (strained oblique – 10/29, 7-10 days) – 6
Taylor Pyatt (concussion – 11/7, out indefinitely) – 1
Total Man-Games Lost: 42


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  1. Kenneth at clinchers of '89Flames '94Rangers '96Avs on

    Matt @9:29:

    A fan since 63. Did the B’s wait until there were 10 minutes remaining in Game 7 against the Leafs until they turned on the ferocity? Did the Julien Bs the previous year turn off the ferocity when they were leading the Flyers 3-0 in the series?

    I had the B’s in a sweep against the Rangers. They had the advantage in many areas. Skill, size, defense, PK. Goaltending was a wash.

  2. Good morning, boneheads!

    Anytime they are playing the Devils it’s a must win in my book. Will be there to make sure. Anyone going?

  3. Saw the injury to Stamkos. Unfortunate for everyone, including the league and hockey fans. Broken tibia that requires surgery. Those can be nasty, and take time to recover. Three months is the best case scenario, could be even 6 or more depending on the extent of injury they find during surgery.

  4. Good question, Pimp. I mean, they have to be about to give up. How do you tell any single player or collection of players, “Alright. We need about 72 goals out of you/you guys. Go get ’em!”

  5. I’d still rather have an injured Stamkos watching from the seats than a heathy Paullette on the ice.

  6. Stranger Nation on

    “Chelios praised as a ‘war horse'”

    Richards snorts in excitement and stomps his hooves

  7. I keep trying to post the animated .gif of the Stamkos injury but it keeps ending up in moderation. Sorry guys. I let you down.

  8. “Poulilot, Daniel Goneau, Sylvain Lefebvre and Stephan Quintal for a broken St. Louis stick.”


  9. Time, time and again I see you staring down at me.
    Now, then and again I wonder what it is that you see?

  10. I see you, you see me
    Watch you blowin’ the lines
    When you’re making a scene
    Oh girl, you’ve got to know

  11. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Kenneth @7am: Missing my point. Sure during games there is an ‘ebb and flow’, but my point is that having watched certain teams, and Boston I have closely, they are not always hyped and ready for every game, all 82. One might argue that if that team, with their skill, size, newfound backend speed, played hard every game they might lose less than 10 a year, given the fact they are in the lowly east.

    In fact, however, there are some games they approach with less vigor. A non-rival, non-conference, early season game, for example, when they play top flight divisional teams before and after. Tough to get up for.

    The corollary is true, as well. Yesterday was a ‘statement’ game. Tampa comes to ‘their house’ as an upstart, leading the division. Damn well better believe, albeit early in the season, the B’s were up and had their ‘A’ game. Not saying they tried to break Stamkos’ tibia, or injure Salo or anyone, but they played with a little more emphasis to what they do best, part of which is team toughness. Given their size, they can do what they want. Who can stop them?

    When they do the same to our smurfs, the outcome is more lopsided. We have no way to counter Chara, Lucic, and the total team size they have when they play big.

  12. Not unless they names a hurricane “EL KREIDER”, not a lot of hockey south of the border.

  13. Rangers on a roll winning 6 out of the last 7. Do they give the Devils a little payback for the 0-4 loss last month?

  14. Over 20% of the season gone already, so here is the average WBM (c) rank leaders to date:

    Boyle 0.0
    Stralman 2.8
    M-D-EZ 3.1
    Pouliot 3.3
    Richards 3.6
    Pyatt 4.7

    Excluding Bole, Stralman has been #1 the most, topping the list 7 times. Richards has been 3 times, though mostly at the beginning of the season. Pouliot is making a charge and has been at the top 3 times as well.

    Of the non-Boles, MDZ has been on the list 16 out of 17 games. Pouliot and Richards have been ranked 14 times each, and Stralman 13.

  15. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Pimp – my pleasure. You are undoubtably the greatest proponent of the moniker “The Kreider” and I hereby knight you and title you Sir Pimp.

  16. Rob in Beantown on

    In hindsight, it was quite narcissistic for Caesar and Augustus to name 1/6 of the year after themselves

  17. Rangers are on a roll, 4 in a row, I can hear it already!

    Marrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty, Marrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty, Marrrrrrrrrrrty!

  18. Doodie Machetto on

    Finally getting to go to a game tonight. Hopefully they don’t screw it up.

    Where does Nash go when he gets back?

  19. I’m sorry guys – Brodeur is completely my fault, i dropped him from my fantasy team and he sticks up consecutive donuts (then ate a box of them himself to celebrate)

  20. You’d have a checking line and (potentially) three scoring lines. Can’t think of it just in terms of lines 1 to 3.

  21. Doodie Machetto on

    Hey Carp, you know what other dates will happen once every hundred years? Literally every other date possible except some leap years which come only once every four hundred years. The last one was in 2000.

  22. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    CCCP, Dennis Potvin on NHL Radio said this am that you shouldn’t believe the spoken word from Eakins. Potvin said Larianov (agent) is going to Edmonton to see what’s going on. He has already told the Oilers that he is ok with a trade. Potvin thinks the kid will be dealt.

    He also said he needs to be surrounded by creators. He has good skill set, but doesn’t know how to create. May never.

    Sorry, we’d have to give up too much for a guy his size and questionable effort level. I hope we pass.

  23. I have benched Brodeur in the boneheads league in favor of Hutton (who’s been terrible) against the Islanders.

  24. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Sold my tix for tonight. It has been a tough sell so far this year. Last year was much easier. Schedule had some to do with it (more divisional games).

    Not so sure the transformed garden has helped resellers.

  25. Smart move, Gravy. Although superstition should tell you that you should START Brodeur so you lose in Fantasy but the Rangers win in real life.

  26. Hmm, good point Manny. But, I won with him starting last week. I’m not sure what the impacts are to the space-time continuum.

  27. @PLeonardNYDN 43s

    Rick Nash taking the optional AM skate at the Garden. Still working his way back

  28. I’d suspect Nash will be back within 2 weeks. Since he’s on the ice for the 4th straight day, I’m assuming he’s been able to ride the bike and other conditioning exercises, as well.

  29. Rob in Beantown on

    Does anybody else think Nash might be rushing it? I realize I am just some idiot on the internet and not his doctor, but it seems really quick for a guy with a history of concussions. I’d personally rather he spend more time to get healthy.

  30. Rob, as your idiot co-doctor, yes. This kind of thing always makes me worry that “better” is substituting for “good”.

  31. How can you get any healthier than the symptoms going away? You can sit out a year, get hit the wrong way, and get another concussion.

  32. Gravy, I would think the further you get away, the better. Can’t just be a simple “now I’m ok”, right?

  33. We have to beat this lot, apart from the Zajac/Jagr/Zubrus line that is not a lineup to strike fear into the opposition. Unless the opposition is a team of hot dogs and Maarty is holding ketchup and mustard bottles.

  34. My understanding is that you’re looking for the headaches/dizziness to go/stay away completely with increasing activity. First, you want to be able go through normal ADL’s (activities of daily living). Then start light activities, then hockey related, etc.

  35. Quinnipiac has a terrific hockey program. Even if they did lose to Yale in the Frozen Four last season. It’s kind of amazing because those schools are SO close to each other. Quite a rivalry.

  36. If Nash can skate this week, maybe practice next week, there might be a chance he could play the following week. Easier road games with Preds, Lighting, Panthers. Not that there are an “easy” games, just not as tough as the West is all.

  37. If we are all going to be Charping in this small space tomorrow, then let’s please all remember to bring Bean-o

  38. For those of you that have been to the *transformed* arena, how obstructed are the obstructed views? Can you not see the ice, or just the scoreboard? I’m looking on StubHub, and some of the seats on either end behind the nets are also listed as obstructed. I thought the bridges were in the way of the sides only.

  39. I know there’s no ticket contest tonight, but I’m going with
    Rangers 4, Devils 2 (empty net goal)
    Shots for us 34
    shots for them 25
    GWG Buddy Kurzweil

  40. Rob in Beantown on

    I haven’t been there, but from the pictures I’ve seen the bridge cuts off your view of the scoreboard and the crowd on the other side of the ice, but you can still see the whole ice. Personally, I think I’d hate it because it looks like it would be like watching the game through a tunnel, and I like the expansiveness of seeing the whole arena. But *supposedly* you can see the whole ice.

  41. Hey – It’s still better than the obstructed view of your wife asking you to do the dishes and taking the dogs out

  42. Doodie Machetto on

    The bridges are right above my head, so I remain unaffected until someone eventually loses their beer (or worse, their lunch) over the edge.

  43. Rob in Beantown on

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
    Additional video review, Hybrid Icing and possibility of extending overtime to 10 minutes, among a number of items discussed by GM’s today.

  44. I’d be ok with a 10 minute overtime, I would rather see an overtime win than a shoot out win. Even though my kids loves the shootouts.

  45. also – if shootouts last more than 10 rounds in a tie, the coaches fight until tapout to determine a winner

  46. Doodie Machetto on

    I’ve seen beer thrown, but I was thinking more along the lines of someone just dropping it.

  47. Additional review!? You mean, like…..a video review of every hybrid icing call?

    Extending OT? What a GENIUS concept.

  48. FG I’ve seen an 8 or 9 round shoot out. Has one ever gone 10.

    Wasn’t Marek Malik’s between the legs shootout goal like 8 deep?

    Gravy was the WBM even up back in the Malik days?

  49. Thanks guys. I’ve been looking at the weekend games because I’m not sure how my 6 year old will handle going on a school night. The Kings game has some tickets for under $60 each in the 400s.

    Doodie, under the bridges are the 200s?

  50. Doodie Machetto on

    I think expanding review is reconsidering that high sticking double minor review that they discussed before the season and/or a coach’s challenge. Those seemed to be the only areas of expansion anyone was talking about before the season.

  51. I’m going to continue to lobby for every game being worth the same amount of points, regardless of the idiotic way they decide to end them.

    Sioux, the WBM is less than a year old. I think I started it about 10-15 games into last season.

  52. I coaches challenge in Hockey? How often would that come up if every goal is reviewed?

    Pyatt’s hit that wasn’t an elbow?

  53. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, yes and no. So the 200s slope upwards. I haven’t see them yet in person, but my brother told me that they hang about eye level with the top of the 200s. Our seats are in the second row, so that they are like directly over our heads.

  54. Doodie Machetto on

    I don’t even think it would be allowed to be used on penalties. Honestly, I just have no idea how it would work.

  55. Is that some sort of WBM point meter, Gravy?

    I just hate the Shootout. I like the idea of a tie. Win = 2. Tie = 1. All other combos are stupid.

  56. Gravy that’s make too much sense.

    I thin the NHL will keep the same system, they like the standings to be as close as possible, for as long as possible.

  57. Manny, I’m with you. I don’t mind ties. That’s just my suggestion for the way things are now. You discount the BCATHGE wins because it’s a bit of a gimmick, and it’s essentially the same as using ROW as a tiebreaker (just converting those into points). The standings don’t make sense now, which is frustrating to me as a finance/numbers guy.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    How about 4 pts for regulation win, 3 pts OT win, 2 points shootout win, 1 pt OT loss, 0 pts SO loss.

  59. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Great to see Nash is progressing.

    My daughter plays lacrosse as a junior in HS. She got her first concussion 8 days ago at a tournament in Maryland. I’m not pleased to say that now, having personal experience with them, they are tricky, both in diagnosis and treatment. Takes time and each one is different, as Nasher has said.

    Continued wishes for progress for Nash.

  60. Doodie Machetto on

    How about Regulation wins 10 pts, OT wins 5 points, SO wins 3 points. Losing in any format gets you 2 points.

  61. Doodie, doesn’t even look like there are 300s anymore, or they’re boxes now.

    Sioux, Malik and Roszival had a hearty competition going for the #0 spot. Poti would have been a consideration too.

  62. Doodie Machetto on

    how about regulation wins 2 points, OT wins 1.75 points, Shootout wins 1.5 points, OT losses .25 points, shootout losses .5 points

  63. I hate getting concussions. I have had at least two and they suck. I had lingering migraines after my first for like 8 years. I’m not even an athlete or anything important.

  64. Rob in Beantown on

    They should just make every game a shootout instead of playing the game.

    Shootout win: 2 pts
    Shootout loss: 0 pts

  65. Manny – You’re not “anything important”?

    You are as crucial to this blog as the Showcase Showdown girls on A Price is Right.

    Dian Parkinson…and…….drooooool

  66. Nash is skating. Definitely good news. Still too early to say when he is coming back though. The doctors will decide. He is seeing a specialist outside of NY, I believe.

  67. The girls show the products, Latona. Like when the curtain peels back and there is a girl in a bathing suit showing you the new car you can win.

  68. Latona – What do you mean? No more models in jacuzzis and snow parkas during the Showcase Showdown?


  69. The Showcase Showdown is when the three selected contestants from each half of the show spin the wheel to see who goes to the Showcase Round. Fat Guy, the girls are still in the pricing games and the Showcase Round. Only the host is involved in the Showcase Showdown.

  70. Manny what Panthers would you want/afford?

    Goc 1.7
    Boyes 1.0 – Probably

    Fleischmann – leading goal scorer, but you would have to trade Salary there. Pullout, Pyatt, & a Pick. Could we be so lucky?

  71. New York Rangers forward Rick Nash skated for a fourth straight day Tuesday and reported feeling *good* afterward.

    Uh oh!

  72. Gravy, I still watch the Price Is Right when I stay home sick. Show is awesome – imagine being George Gray, the MC.. he has the power to make so many people happy by simply saying “Come on down!” Look at the power the Rangers have to make so many people happy – they do the opposite!

  73. The Rangers take your money, Gravy. The Price is Right gives you money! Or the equivalent value in the form of a prize.

  74. I don’t think you’re happy enough! That’s right! I’ll teach you to be happy! I’ll teach your grandmother to suck eggs! Now, boys and girls, let’s try it again!

  75. I’m an idea man, not a details man
    Showcase Showdown, Showcase Round…it doesn;t matter what you call it as long as it still has girls jumping on trampolines

  76. I’m a little late to the party, as usual, but shouldn’t it be “El Kreidero”? (Accent on the “der”.) I really think it needs the “o” at the end.

  77. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Jagr will eventually break down. Perhaps early in the season he can play the minutes he’s being asked to. It won’t last. He’s the freaking focal point of the Derbil’s offense. How sad for them.

  78. Now that we lost *Kris* Newbury we need a player that spells their name with a *K* like *Kris* Versteeg.

    Other than that he gets paid a lot for not a lot of production so no way!

  79. I prefer the game show *Press Your Luck*

    A game show isn’t a game show if the contestants aren’t sweating.

  80. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    *Free Skate*

  81. I think that making something *bold* in ever single post makes the blog look better. It’s like *Guerilla* graphic _design_

  82. You’re right. But *Kris* Versteeg isn’t a rental even. He’s a *player* you have to pay for two more *seasons*. That’s money we could be giving to *Dubinsky*

  83. Remember when the screen names were *bold* ? That was a *great* moment in *blog* history. It was so *easy* to read along with the g(j)ibberish and *poorly* informed hockey analysis.

  84. I think that *Dale* Tallon just said, in a *press* conference, that the team was not interested in trading *either* Huberdeau or *Barkov* which is too bad…

  85. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Rob – touché – you are correct -there is no such thing as time – it’s merely an accounting tool for man.

    Werd up yo

  86. Time, time and again I see you staring down at me…
    Now, then and again I wonder what it is that you see?

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