Canadiens at Rangers tonight (7:30) … pre-game notes


Henrik Lundqvist is expected to start in the home opener tonight.

Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

Monday, Oct. 28, 7:30 p.m. ET
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
Rangers: 3-6-0 (6 pts)
Canadiens: 6-5-0 (12 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the Montreal Canadiens at Madison Square Garden (7:30 p.m. — TV: MSG Network; Radio: ESPN 98.7), in their 2013-14 regular season home opener. The Blueshirts currently rank seventh in the Metropolitan Division standings, and 14th in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 3-6-0 (6 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Red Wings, 3-2, in overtime on Saturday at Detroit. The Canadiens enter the contest with a 6-5-0 (12 pts) record to rank sixth in the Eastern Conference, and have lost three of their last four games. Following the contest, the Rangers will return to action when they face-off against the New York Islanders tomorrow, Oct. 29, at Nassau Coliseum (7:00 p.m.), in the second game of a back-to-back set.

All-Time: 191-323-94-3 overall (127-123-54-1 at home; 64-200-40-2 on the road)
2013-14: Tonight is the first of three meetings this season, and the only meeting at Madison Square Garden.
Last Season: New York was 0-3-0 overall (0-1-0 at home; 0-2-0 on the road). The Rangers out-shot the Canadiens, 76-62, in the series, including a 28-16 advantage in the first period. Anton Stralman notched the Rangers’ lone goal in the series, while Carl Hagelin and Derek Stepan each tallied an assist. Henrik Lundqvist stopped 15 of 17 shots in his only appearance.
Only two of the Rangers and Canadiens last eight meetings have been decided by fewer than three goals – a 5-3 win for the Blueshirts on Nov. 5, 2011 at MSG, and a 3-1 loss on Feb. 19, 2013 a MSG
New York is 0-0-0 at home; Montreal is 3-1-0 on the road
New York is 1-0-0 vs. Atlantic Division opponents; Montreal is 2-0-0 vs. Metropolitan Division opponents
New York lists two former Canadiens on their roster: Dominic Moore (2009-10); Benoit Pouliot (2009-10 – 2010-11)

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. CANADIENS: Henrik Lundqvist – 26 GP, 13-10-2, 1 SO, 2.87 GAA; Brad Richards – 37 GP, 9-13-22; Dominic Moore – 25 GP, 4-13-17; Derek Stepan – 11 GP, 0-7-7; Dan Girardi – 26 GP, 3-6-9.

Power Play: The Rangers were 1-3 (4:15) on Saturday at Detroit. New York ranks 19th in the NHL overall (5-27, 18.5%), and is tied for 29th at home (0-0, 0.0%). The Rangers are 2-2 (0:48) in five-on-three situations (last – 10/12 at STL), and 0-1 (0:30) when four-on-three (last – 10/12 at STL). Shorthanded goals allowed (2): 10/8 at SJS (Vlasic); 10/24 at PHI (Read).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts were 3-4 (7:05) on Saturday at Detroit, and are now 24-28 (85.7%) in the last six games. New York is tied for 17th in the NHL overall (29-36, 80.6%), and ranks 30th at home (0-0, 0.0%). The Rangers are 2-2 (1:59) in three-on-five situations (last – 10/16 at WSH), and 0-0 (0:00) when three-on-four. Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/7 at LAK (McDonagh).
Four-on-Four: New York tallied one goal in two four-on-four situations (4:59) on Saturday at Detroit, and are now -1 in 10 four-on-four situations (17:11) this season. Four-on-four goals for (2): 10/16 at WSH (J. Moore); 10/26 at DET (Brassard). Four-on-four goals allowed (3): 10/3 at PHX (Vrbata); 10/7 at LAK (Muzzin); 10/12 at STL (Backes).

The Rangers have posted a record of 36-34-16 in 86 home openers all-time at Madison Square Garden
The Blueshirts have registered at least one point in seven of their last nine home openers, posting a record of 4-2-1-2 over the span dating back to the 2003-04 season
New York established franchise records for most goals for and largest margin of victory in a home opener with a 7-0 win vs. Toronto on Nov. 20, 1932
The Blueshirts have posted nine shutouts all-time in home openers, with the last shutout in a home-opening game on Oct. 16, 2003 vs. Atlanta (Mike Dunham, 0-0); Andy Aitkenhead has posted a franchise record, two shutouts in home openers (Nov. 20, 1932 vs. Toronto and Nov. 18, 1934 vs. St. Louis)

Tonight’s contest will be the second of 14 scheduled games against Original Six opponents this season (1-0-0).
Last season, the Rangers posted a 4-5-0 record against Original Six opponents. Rick Nash and Derek Stepan tied for the team lead with five assists and seven points apiece, while Carl Hagelin, Brad Richards, and Anton Stralman tied Nash and Stepan for the team-high with two goals each against Original Six opponents. Michael Del Zotto (one goal, two assists), Dan Girardi (three assists), and Marc Staal (one goal, two assists) tied for the team lead in scoring among defensemen with three points apiece. Henrik Lundqvist was 4-3-0 with a 2.65 GAA and .901 Sv% in seven appearances against Original Six opponents.
New York is 59-37-12 against Original Six teams since 2005-06, including a 13-15-3 mark vs. Montreal over the span. The Rangers’ .602 win% ranks third, trailing Detroit (.631, 45-24-11) and Montreal (.607, 84-52-13), and ahead of Chicago (.562, 40-30-11), Boston (.530, 69-60-23), and Toronto (.490, 63-66-21).

ROAD WARRIORS: The Rangers concluded their season-opening nine-game road trip with a 3-2 overtime win at Detroit on Saturday. The trip established a franchise record for longest road trip to start the season, breaking the old record of seven games set in 2011-12. It also tied the franchise mark for longest road trip overall, established during the 1955-56 season. The Blueshirts’ home opener tomorrow against Montreal is their latest home opener in a non-lockout shortened season since the 1947-48 season (Oct. 29).

FINISHING THE JOB: The Blueshirts have registered a point in 94 consecutive regular season games when leading after the second period, dating back to the 2009-10 season, posting a record of 88-0-6 over the span. The Rangers’ last regulation loss in a game when entering the third with the lead was Feb. 4, 2010 (6-5 loss vs. WSH). New York is 2-0-0 when leading after the second period this season.

Brad Richards – eight points (five goals, three assists) in the last eight games
Derick Brassard – four points (one goal, three assists) in the last five games
Ryan McDonagh – two assists in the last four games

Dan Girardi – 3 games from 500th NHL career
Marc Staal – 1 point from 100th NHL career; 3 games from 400th NHL career

Carl Hagelin (IR – 9/30; shoulder, out indefinitely) – 9
Rick Nash (IR – 10/14; head injury – 10/8, out indefinitely) – 6
Ryan Callahan (IR – 10/21; broken thumb – 10/16, 3-4 weeks) – 3
Henrik Lundqvist (injured, day-to-day) – 2
Total Man-Games Lost: 22

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  1. Montreal has a bunch of guys out tonight. They are small they don’t hit and no prust. Henrik is due for a good game against these guys. However long trip home opener and a mash unit of sorts on the rangers end. Hope they get two points.

  2. Good morning, boneheads!

    Finally, home game. Time to win a few in a row. As bad as this Mesopotamian division has been, they can’t keep falling behind for much longer.

  3. “if you win the next one, that’s two in a row, they call that a streak”

    Finally watched Saturdays game yesterday, you boneheads were right, it was a good effort. Hope they bring that same compete level tonight!

  4. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    We need more effort, a different level, from that Chris kid. He can do it. He has the tools.

  5. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    So, I feel sorry for Hank. He stays out to get better. Hope he is. He comes back tonight to be there, to feel the emotion.

    Don’t want to ruin his ‘dream’ but not so sure tonight is like other opening nights.

    First off, MSG is just quieter anyway with the big spenders downstairs. Nobody can start a chant on their own. But, alas, with this team, there is no expectations of Cup like the last couple. This will be more of a pre-game ceremony that disappoints.

    “Taylor Pyatt” Yay!
    “Jesper Fast(h)” Yay!
    “Mats Zuccarello” Yay”

    The crowd goes…uh…cheers.

    Well, it IS opening night. Let’s go boys…LGR!!!!

  6. Stranger Nation on

    The Kreider was second in shots and tied for lead in hits last game. Effort is not the issue. Keep it simple and the points will follow. That and getting away from Richards…

  7. Will be at flying puck at 500 if anyone who going wants to meet up. Look for me in Callahan jersey in back.

  8. Agree with Carp that there is no need to rush Hank back. How many more months will the announcers and most radio personalities continue to mangle French Canadian names? It is POO LEE OH. Why can the get Benoit correct? They do not say BEN OYT. Jeeez.

  9. This board is going to be a disaster if we lose a winnable game and Hank gives up a bad goal or two.

  10. Please Hank – be cured of your ills of the past week and stick up a big French Canadien donut. You’ll be lucky to get more than 1 or 2 from this current forward crop!

  11. As long as eric is working on a “crew” thing, anybody want to meet up and watch the game TOMORROW night?

  12. Love the Flying Puck! Wish there was just a little more walking room in there, though.

    Oh, yeah, the game… well, I think Hankie will be just fine. I have a feeling his absence was more about dealing with mental issues than physical ones.

  13. I think Hank is going to be in the zone tonight, and it’s going to be up to the rest of team to give him some goal support. Montreal will probably be itching to spoil the home opener.

    Disappointing start to the season or not, the home opener is always exciting. LGR SON.

  14. Any of you guys ever watch a game at a bar called “Rogue”? It’s a little more East than the Flying Puck. Pretty good spot to watch a game.

  15. And I hope he is, Tommy. Not because I don’t want him in the lineup, but this isn’t something you mess around with. I imagine Clowe’s having the same issue (or worse) because he never took the time to rest it.

  16. I agree Mister D., Rangers medical staff needs to make sure he is 100% free of any symptoms before stepping on the ice. There is always a possibility also that Nash might never recover, like what happen to Sauer. If that happens the rangers are screwed.

  17. I love this week! Our clocks went back in the UK so there is only a 4 hour time gap for 1 week!! And there are 4 games to see – all winnable ones too!

  18. As long as eric is working on a “crew” thing, anybody want to meet up and watch the game TOMORROW night?

    Braving the nightmare of LI traffic from Manhattan tomorrow and potentially sacrificing my car’s life to be at the House that Wang closed tomorrow night.

  19. Should be some sort of compensation from the player or team that caused the injury (when it was subject to discipline).
    ie. Brad Stuart injures Nash, if Nash is out for the season, or say minimum 60 games the Rangers get the equivalent draft pick from the Sharks (ie 2014 or 15 1st rounder)

  20. Good luck, CT. That sounds intense. I recommend bringing your own food (there’s no telling how old, or what, the burger’s/chicken fingers at the Mausoleum are).

  21. Conjecture on my side, but usually concussion plus no-update, no-skating means its a longer term deal. Especially when a guy has a history.

  22. Yes this is definitely MUSt Win. After long trip. 2 pts is a must. These three home games this week Montreal buff Carolina all need to be wins.

  23. Flipside on the injury front: I can’t be the only one who thought I might have seen the end of Staal on the ice against Philadelphia last year, right? As bad as things have been, and as iffy as he’s looked at times, just having him back is pretty great.

  24. So what did I miss?

    Any good news? Looks like we stole 2 points from the Red Wings. That helps.

    So far the Rangers are perfect at home :)

  25. Rob in Beantown on

    Good game last week, Sioux. A well deserved win. I’m sure my team will win a game eventually.

  26. Thanks Rob. It doesn’t get much closer than that.

    I didn’t watch anything over the weekend, so I’m just catching up.

  27. Rob in Beantown on

    No news is definitely not good news regarding Nash. I agree there is no need to rush him back. Do you guys think he might have aggravated his condition in the fight against Hanzel?

  28. ?@TSNBobMcKenzie NHL reviewed Dubinsky (CBJ) hit on Koivu (ANA). No supplementary discipline. Ruled a body on body hit with incidental head contact.

  29. Rob in Beantown on

    Yeah I dunno. Some people were saying he looked a little out of it after that fight but that might have just been the usual Rick Nash face.

  30. 7:30 starts are so much better than 7:00 starts when you have a bedtime routine going on at home. We should request more of those.

  31. Stranger Nation on

    Nash was seen over the weekend at the party with other Ranger HoFers; Marcel Dionne, Guy Lafluer, and Pat LaFontaine along with can’t miss signings like Eric Lindros, Chris Drury, Scott Gomez and Wade Redden.

    The party was hosted by their agents and accountants.

  32. I think he was invited but his head didn’t fit through the door of the shed that it was held in.

  33. _#NYR Falk, Mashinter scratched for tonight_

    Makes sense since no one played poorly against Detroit.

  34. and you guys should be careful going to sites like that for news. that guy has never ever covered a game or a practice or a press conference.

  35. I know Carp but no news to me is bad news because if Nash was ready to start skating you would here about it. Appears to me he is still feeling the symptoms.

  36. Doodie Machetto on

    My ticket group is selling its tickets for tonight. Section 208, 2nd row (with expanded leg room), just one seat away from the aisle. Face price on the tickets is $80 each, but I’m under orders to sell for $115 so as to help cover costs on other tickets we will sell for likely less than face value later in the season.

    E-mail me at for details or let me know here if you are interested.

  37. Doodie Machetto on

    Added bonuses for my section: it’s right next to the men’s room and the stairwell. Be the first to take a leak and the first to leave when the team is putting up a dog’s breakfast performance.

  38. Stranger Nation on

    No Breaking news::: No Breaking News;;;;

    “The Rangers reported no change in the status of RW Rick Nash (concussion).”

    You did not hear it here first.

  39. Guys…shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Don’t talk too loudly. It hurts Nash. That’s why they can’t give any update. The microphones would give him a headache.

  40. I know. My point is, there’s not going to be anything newsworthy for a while. They’re reporting again from the morning skate, no update, nothing new. Of course he still has symptoms, or he’d be around the team.

  41. Who was ita again who gave Holik that contract? ;)

    Carp, awaiting your analysis of the Vanek deal, I see a very aggressive “come bet” on the playoffs and the new arena.

    How would you and the blog compare it with the Nash deal?

  42. The thing with the Vanek deal … couldn’t you use your #1 (and that #2 if you want) and get a solid wing to compliment Moulson and make the entire team better? Not Vanek level, but a decent enough player that Moulson + player is a bigger improvement over Vanek only. Just seemed dumb.

  43. I love that Hagelin rejoining the lineup is a “decision for Vigneault.” If he decides any way aside from playing Hagelin as a top 6, he’s a moron.

  44. Doodie Machetto on

    If the Islanders can sign Vanek, I think they win this trade by a mile. If they can’t, then it’s a disaster.

    Vanek is an ELITE talent.

  45. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, that goes double while Nash and Callahan are on the shelf.

    Any word on whether Lundqvist or Calbot play tonight?

  46. Manny, he’s never even seen Hagelin play so how can he just put him in the top 6? Hags needs to grab his own clean slate if he wants that sort of ice time.

  47. Mister D, good points but whom do you believe you could obtain with the #1&2, and more importantly which team would give a very good wing up for two “maybees” which is what every draft picks are when selected at 15 and down which is where the Islanders are likely to finish?

    You did not compare it with the Nash deal which approximates the v
    Vanek one as well.

  48. Stranger Nation on

    thought Buff did a great job of trading future UFAs and getting the picks. Look at Moulson’s career, he became a pt/game player in yr 2 or 3 at each level. Taveres is a big part of that, but not the only part

    Would trade for Ott and Moulson in an heart beat (MDZ and Hags)

    lineup next yr with Richards buy-out and Nash back


  49. Hank is rested and ready.

    I’m thinking a shut out on a home opener could be in store for the Blueshirts.

  50. Stranger, not opposed to trading for Ott and Moulson, both of whom I like, but I think Hagelin is sort of a unique talent that not many teams can throw at their opposition, so I’m opposed to trading him for the time being.

  51. Stranger Nation on

    Re Hags – would start him on line 3 – with Boyle and Dorsett. Don’t bury Kreider on checking line and Richards can’t play anywhere else..Black Aces?

  52. Stranger Nation on

    latona – like Hags – in retro, don’t need to trade anyone – can just sign these guys in off season for generous MSG bucks from Uncle Glennie!!

  53. @AGrossRecord 7m

    That would be: Kreider-Stepan-Richards, Pouliot-Brassard-Miller, Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett, Fast-D. Moore-Zuccarello.

  54. Hmmmm … Iginla was a 1st and two semi-prospects, right? Schneider (non-forward, I know) went for just a high 1st. So I guess I’m not sure. The most obvious answer would be “maybe a Matt Moulson type”? I might just overvalue 1st round picks.

    (Signing Vanek shouldn’t be part of the equation. If you buy a house, you don’t factor in your ability to make $100K worth of improvements as part of the deal unless you’re getting a below market deal.)

  55. Doodie Machetto on

    Cmon, this is the last year of that deal. Originally it was an offer sheet made by Edmonton (Kevin Lowe) that Buffalo matched. He is a pending UFA.

  56. I didn’t know goal scoring was the Islanders’ main issue. Last 2 full seasons they scored 2.7 GPG. On the other hand, they let in 3.2 GPG. Removing Moulson’s 30 goals and adding Vanek’s 40 doesn’t solve much in that regard. By the way, Buffalo has much higher chance of resigning Moulson than NYI resigning Vanek.

  57. And I bet NYI had the best chance of resigning Moulson than either them signing Vanek or Buffalo signing Moulson. Just weird.

  58. Doodie Machetto on

    ilb, I hear all of that, but the Vanek trade does a lot beyond results on the ice.

    If they can get Vanek to stay longterm, it makes them more legitimate as a franchise. UFAs might actually want to sign to play with them.

    Plus, if Vanek and Tavares have chemistry with each other, they could become one of the elite combinations in the NHL that not only increases the output from Moulsen’s spot, but from Tavares’ spot as well. I’ll say it again: Vanek is an ELITE talent. If it wasn’t for injuries, this is a guy who could be top 15 in scoring every year.

  59. Even if the Islanders re-sign Vanek (which they won’t because they will never pay him what he’s worth) they won’t win this trade. They should have re-signed Moulson and then moved him. The Islanders will probably move Vanek soon for a goaltender. Probably to the Ducks. They have a million goalies.

  60. Thanks iLB, was going to say that, Vanek’s agent already made a statement he isn’t interested in signing a extension with the islanders and will test free agent market. The islanders have no shot at Vanek but they could turn him around and trade vanek before or at the deadline and get a goaltender/defensemen maybe both. That’s what the islanders need badly.

  61. The Doctor, I don’t think you can overvalue a first round pick. Those kids are at least deemed to be elite talent. And if the Sabres are in a rebuild, they just got a lot of work done.

    As I said last night, I expected them to move Miller and Vanek together for something like this. This move is genius for them.

  62. Vanek did sign a long-term deal but it was for 7 years in 2007, so he is a UFA this summer. He’s either going to enjoy playing with Tavares and want to stay with the Isles or use it to enhance his value (although who is going to give him much more than his current $7.1m cap hit this summer I don’t know – wait aren’t we freeing up that kind of money?)

  63. don’t understand this move by the islanders unless there going to use Vanek in a bigger trade before the trade deadline. Maybe the islanders feel Vanek playing with Traveras will put up big numbers which will help the islanders get a nice package for Vanek.

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    The agent says that now, but it’s October. Let’s see how he feels after 3 months of playing on Tavares’ wing.

  65. I also said, last night, that I don’t expect Vanek to spend much time with Tavares. I would assume they try to use them on separate lines (mostly) to generate more scoring chances. Tavares is elite, elite, elite and can definitely create his chances. The guy to paid with him was a Moulson type who can bang home garbage rebounds by the dozen.

  66. Doodie, Tavares is an elite talent who’s been with that organization for 4 solid years, and signed a long term deal. That didn’t help them in term of attracting any other prominent UFAs. Moreover, some players they acquired had no desire to play for them initially, it took a few legal moves to make them play. Streit wanted nothing to do with them after his contract expired. That doesn’t help either.

  67. Doodie Machetto on

    ilb, a home grown player sticking around is very different than an outsider. The first time they get an elite level player to sign a big deal with them will open floodgates to more players doing so down the line.

  68. Did that work out for the Brooklyn Nets? Last I checked they had a bunch of aging, expensive superstars and some 30 year old abusive coach.

  69. I bet moulson gets moved by buffalo closer to deadline for more picks. As for the isles I believe this is first of few moves they make and I bet they have a new goalie few months from now. Who it is I don’t know. It begs the question what was isles package to kings for bernier. It seems only team that had chance at Schneider was devils as it happened so quickly night before draft.

    Vanek played college hockey in minny his wife from minny has home there his best friend is pominville and heatley money coming off books.

    Wild be fav to sign him. I be shocked if vanek didn’t test market.

    I truly believe isles did this to send message to players around league leading up to Brooklyn.

  70. Totally, Eric. Great move by Buffalo to pick up a guy like that to convert later rather than just taking a prospect maybe they don’t love.

  71. Doodie Machetto on

    I’ve been authorized to lower the asking price by $10 a ticket to $105 per ticket.

    These are great seats, I promise. $105 a ticket for opening night! I would buy them from my group if I didn’t have a baby to go home to.

  72. You think Buffalo will have issues moving Ville Leino and the remaining 4 years of his contract at $4.5M? Talking about dumb management.

  73. Doodie Machetto on

    Would seem that if he’s healthy, he would be a prime candidate. Pegula shouldn’t worry about the money, right? He could just drill another oil well.

    I mean, Leino is just terrible. That’s the kind of signing that should cost a GM his job.

  74. Stranger Nation on

    so if Buff trades Moulson and Miller for additional #1 picks and Isles tank they could end choosing 4 out of first 20 or so players Not likely, but would be interesting to watch.

    On a related front, who did we choose last year in the first round…..

  75. Then the Sabres haven’t used _any_ of their buyouts. Because he’s the only guy I can remember them buying out.

  76. No, Carp, he cannot. Just like Richards as a free agent couldn’t be handed a 6 year deal for $6.67MM per.

  77. Good news: All of our games against Buffalo come in March or later. They’ll be even worse by then.

  78. If he is on the roster July 1st it could mean:
    1. They didn’t resign Callahan, Girardi, and Hank.


    2. Nash is on LTIR for the remainder of his contract


    3. Sather needs to have an extensive psychological evaluation.

  79. Carp – I think I said exactly the same 4-5 months ago and he’s still there. This Nash concussion may cloud the issue though. If its serious would they buy out a “1st liner” while one is on LTIR? It would mean some serious UFA shopping or trading wheeling and dealing and we all know which one Slats is better at!

  80. Brooklyn is a wonderful place with many entertainment options from which to choose when contemplating how to occupy your leisure time and activities.

    I’m not convinced a great deal of discretionary spending will be earmarked for NHL activities at the Barclay, especially once the novelty wears off.

    Will the Islander’s East Cupcake fan base ( all 5,000) make the trek into “seedy” Brooklyn or would they prefer to stay comfortable in their homes and mancaves and watch it on the Telly?

    Brooklyn is a hotbed for Ranger die-hards, fanatacism which has been passed along from generation to generation. I don’t see much of a chance for that to chang. Unless, of course, Rangers go completely in the tank for an extended period and the Isles sign Hank ( Vezina-like Hank) and some others, and thus become legitimate and perennial Cup contenders.

    NOT HAPPENING! ( as long as Sather retires by the end of the season.)

  81. Also, since the Barclay’s Center is super close to my house, most NYIslanders fans will suffer a punch in the face from me immediately upon exiting the train. That will surely derail their plans to attend home games.

  82. What if Richards continues at a point-per-game pace and Nash returns but is a shell of his former self’ (say Mister Softie x 2). Will a Nash buyout be in order?

    I think it depends on whether or not Sather is still around.

  83. You still buyout Richards because his contract is longer and has more recapture impact if he retires. Nash can always be LTIR, or you just play him if he’s healthy enough.

  84. What Gravy said. You’re not looking at upside when you do this buyout, you’re eliminating the worst potential downside.

  85. Exactamundo guys – it doesn’t matter who will fulfil their contract the most, it would be who handicaps you the most if he retires and Richards contract would kill us 2-3 years down the line with the recapture figure.

  86. Carp – with Vanek traded to the Islanders. Is that enough to consider them a playoff team?

  87. Carp – you mean since July 2013 (if he gets a season ending injury we’re stuck with him till the end of time – one stray Kaleta elbow to the head is all it takes)

  88. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, the initial hire wasn’t such a bad decision. It’s the decisions to not correct that decision that are so much worse.

  89. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    And with Richards, is he REALLY worth $6M per season?????

    (to those who only look at stats, sure, he’s got 5 goals…how many of them were dumb luck?? and in the non-stat area, how many turnovers, giveaways, defensive lapses, bling passes to nowhere and missed PP execution BECAUSE of him???)

    Richards HAS to be bought out. Should have been.

    Sather is dumb. He can’t be that dumb.

  90. Vanek has been a solid player for many years, even back in his college days, he gave the Sioux fits. He’s a point per game type of player, and wore the C for the Baby Buffalo’s.

    I think Vanek offers them a lot more than Moulson, on the ice and in leadership.

    I would be surprised if Moulson continues scoring in Buffalo at the same pace as he did for the fishsticks. A lot of his points are from playing next to Tavares.

  91. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Sioux, I agree totally with both points. Tavares makes people better. He did that with Moulson.

  92. Anybody getting a really bad vibe re Nash situation? Hate to say it but how this goes could be disastrous for the team for years to come. Philly is still reeling from Pronger’s career ending injury.

  93. Doodie Machetto on

    Tavares was also RFA (without arbitration rights) and Richards was UFA and being bid upon by half the league.

    I think Richards has a terrible contract (and have thought so from the moment it was signed) but that isn’t exactly an apples to apples comparison.

  94. Richards will be bought out, they can’t afford not to buy him out.

    The No NEWS NASH is starting to concern me.

  95. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    So, I have had 2 friends separately call me asking if I wanted a ticket to tonight’s game (if I wasn’t already going). They are not season ticket holders, but they were given the tickets by their business (when no one else wanted them).

    When a team has promise people KILL for these tickets. Opening night. Wow.

    IT IS FREAKING OPENING NIGHT….and people don’t even want to go to the newly transformed MSG for our team. It’s a chore. The interest level is way down this year. Not a good sign for our team or hockey in this town.

    Very sad. Very, very sad.

  96. Philly isn’t reeling from no-Pronger, they’re reeling from the litany of horrific player personnel and salary cap decisions they’ve made.

  97. Aaron Johnson (D) is leading the pack in scoring.

    When was the last time we’ve had a Dman leading a team in scoring.

    We may have something growing on the farm, Kristo already has 6 goals in 9 games.

  98. Stranger Nation on

    The Rangers DO NOT release injury info. Just take a look at Hank’s recent malady (infection from pedicure?). Any concussion injury is dangerous given the grey area around the grey matter injury, but do not confuse lack of information with status.

    Yet one more example how this franchise is being run but cigar smoking reclusive clown with no clue nor a desire to find one.

  99. The _only_ silver lining in the Richards Contract is that it’s so front loaded that the last few years (2017-2018) he can easily be traded (if he approves) to a cap floor team that wants to pay $1M and get $6.7M of cap hit (hint: Islanders).

    I know that’s a LOT of seasons to gamble on. But just throwing it out there.

    I still think it’s an absolute NO BRAINER that you buy him out immediately.

  100. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Doodie, that’s fair.

    But what is also fair is that if you sign RFA’s that you believe in to long term contracts you can, in the later years of the contract, get a deal, too. For example, Step, instead of ripping him a new *()hole, sign him for 5 and, just like Tavares, he’s a deal years 4, 5, and possibly 3.

  101. Matty that is just not right. Here’s hoping the new arena doesn’t price out the real fans.

    The business people I sat next to last year, had no clue what was going on. So I just pre apologized in advance, if I’m to loud or obnoxious.

  102. If the Rangers take the next 2 games. They will be right back in the mix of things. But there is no room for error. They can’t afford losing the 4 point games against the Islanders.

    Manny are you walking to the game tomorrow?

  103. Trading Richards only works (let’s ignore the NMC) if he doesn’t retire. If he does the Rangers are on the hook for the cap recapture penalty.

  104. Stranger Nation on

    This franchise’s traditional fan base have been out-priced for years. With lowered cost of HD Flat Screens, the competition is staying at home.

    They are charging top NYC prices for a lower tier product.

  105. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Sioux, I hope so. Look, Toronto prices are through the roof more than ours, I believe. I agree with you, the average guy has been forced up or out. Many of the seats downstairs are now corporate. Not all, but a healthy percentage.

    My seats went up 12% this year. Last year they went up over 25%.

    I moved upstairs last year. If I didn’t have kids, one lives in NYC, that would be heartbroken in my giving up the tickets, I’d be done. I do know others that feel indifferent and are just not as into it this year.

  106. Re: Vanek for Moulson trade, the Isles probably could have figured out a way to reduce their goals against by 10-12 goals that would have cost less than the package they sent over to marginally improve their scoring by the same amount.

  107. Can’t wait to see a near-comatose Ace Frehley abseiling from the *transformed* MSG Chase ™ bridges, while simultaneously singing something indecipherable, firing a T-shirt cannon and unfurling an Avery banner.

  108. Matty"We'veBeenSatherized"Boy on

    Agreed, Sioux. And the fans expect a competitive product for those $$$$$. Since MSG has been raising prices, they have been ‘competitive’ some years more than others. This is the first year in a while that no one is expecting Cup. Not even the parents of the players.

    That’s why, if some of us season ticket holders get overly emotional with Sather and his mismanagement of the team, it’s not only as a fan but as someone who is paying a ton of dollars that are, in effect, wasted. It hurts twice as much.

    I am not expecting there to be a secondary market for most home games this year, which means eating the tickets.

  109. Doodie Machetto on

    I just think that if Vanek and Tavares click, it makes Tavares a 100+ point player. Moulson was never getting Tavares there.

  110. Doodie Machetto on

    Speaking of secondary ticket market, ,my group is selling tickets to the following games:

    1/28 vs. Montreal (see above posts), 11/2 Hurricanes, Bruins 11/19, Blue Jackets 12/12, Wild 12/22, Capitals 1/19, Blues 1/23, Maple Leafs 3/5, Sabres 4/10.

    E-mail if you are interested in any of these games. Face value of tickets is $80, but in an effort not to lose money on some of the dog’s breakfast games, some of the premium choices there will be sold at above face value.

  111. Islanders get Vanek in time to play the Rangers, at home, and getting us on a back to back game.

    We might need Kristo for the 2nd game.

  112. Doodie which one is a dog breakfast game when they are all above us in the standings :)

  113. Islanders are probably better off splitting the two, no? We know Tavares can everyone else better and we know Vanek can score on his own.

  114. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, at least you can marvel at the Bruins’ talent, the Capitals’ powerplay, etc. What’s the selling point on the Sabres on 4/10?

  115. I agree that Tavares made Moulson better, but that’s what we’re comparing anyway, aren’t we? I don’t think Tavares is going to make Vanek better to the same extent, so it’s not a huge upgrade (though still an upgrade).

  116. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Vanek makes Tavares better. THAT’S the difference between him and Moulson.

  117. I live an hour from the Garden. I’d love to go to games, especially with my 6 year old, but when you factor gas, tolls, parking, prime ribs, etc., it’s not worth it to do more than every once in awhile.

  118. Matching two star players together rarely has the impact that people think it’s going to have.

  119. We will need to be in the top 3 before the end of the year. Only 5 points behind the Islanders. Here’s hoping they can win back to back.

    Or is that too much to ask for when they haven’t won 2 games back to back all year?

  120. I’m more interested in watching Nelson play for the islanders.

    He was the point leader for the Sioux, the year before Kristo. He has a lot of talent, and would only be a senior for the Sioux this year.

  121. Matching two star players together rarely has the impact that people think it’s going to have.


    See Carter, Jeff and Nash, Rick
    Nash, Rick and Richards, Brad and Gaborik, Marian.

  122. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, responses to your examples:

    1) Carter is not a playmaker, but rather a goalscorer. Thinking he would have worked with Nash was folly.
    2&3) Richards was not a star player.

    Some counterexamples:

    Heatley & Spezza
    Neal & Malkin

  123. Doodie Machetto on

    Alright Boneheads, ticket prices for tonight down to $100 bucks a piece. They won’t be going any lower than this because I already have a friend who will pay me for their face value.

    The seats are in the second row, which have expanded leg room. You don’t have to be cramped in like those jerks in most other rows. Plus, you’re right near the exit and the men’s room.


  124. Doodie, if you’re not calling Richards a star, then Neal wasn’t one either. Not to say there isn’t talent there, but Malkin/Crosby made Neal. And how has Heatley faired since leaving Ottawa?

    The only successful star combo I can remember is Lemieux and Jagr.

  125. LW brought up a great point (inadvertently). Are the new bridges going to disrupt the T-Shirt Cannons? What if the shirt hits the bridge?

  126. I’m talking about two star players that were before playing together or continued to be after being separated.

  127. _Matching two star players together rarely has the impact that people think it’s going to have._

    *YES* times Infinity

  128. Even worse! What if the shirt (or the Do Over) hits the bridge and bounces down and hits Nash in the head and he’s on LTIR for another season?

  129. Doodie Machetto on


    I already put enough stress on her to watch baby without me for the games that I go to and for when I have to work late. I can’t add additional dates on. It’s just not possible.

    And if I can’t even make a little profit on the home opener, how the hell am I even going to get face value for games against the Hurricanes, Blue Jackets, etc.

  130. Richards has been just as productive as Vanek over the past several seasons, so if Richards isn’t a star or elite player then Vanek isn’t either.

    Another thing, Tavares would have to see a pretty significant jump in production to go from his previous best of 80 points to 100. Given JT’s career range of shots on goal and shooting percentage, even a generous estimate puts him a little under 40 goals this year and that’s the part of the equation he has more control over.

    His 80 point year came with Moulson netting 36 goals, and he had 50 assists that, not sure how many of Moulson’s goals were assisted by Tavares, but it’s certainly not a 1:1 ratio. Basically even if Tavares has his best goal scoring year of his career I have doubts that Vanek scores enough to boost Tavares’ assist totals given Vanek’s age and recent trends in production.

  131. Manny, talk about things happening for a reason. That’s why it’s better to pull the trigger before things like that get public (ex. Nash).

  132. _Richards has been just as productive as Vanek over the past several seasons, so if Richards isn’t a star or elite player then Vanek isn’t either._

    Vanek was operating a more than double Richards’ goal output last year; 43 goal pace to Richards’ 20. They are not comps.

  133. So Vanek sort of double bailed out Buffalo? Didn’t take an insane contract and didn’t let negotiations be known so they could fleece the Islanders? Nice dude.

  134. The blue jackets is the games to go to.

    I rather watch former rangers then watch us get blown out by pens

  135. Doodie: Do you guys list your tickets on StubHub? Because it looks like tickets are moving pretty well on there. Just asking. I have never sold Sporting Event Tickets before in my life.

  136. Points not just goals Mister D, Vanek’s been the better goal scorer and Richards has been the better set up man.

  137. I’d rather watch us get blown out by Pens than get blown out by CBJ.


    Good point. At least it’ll be guys you’ve always hated vs guys that are a reminder of how dumb Sather is.

  138. Doodie Machetto on

    I did Rangers ticket exchange. I should’ve done StubHub. Stupid of me not to. I’ll try and post there now and hopefully get lucky.

  139. Doodie Machetto on

    Ah! I went to go to Stubhub and they had already been sold on the ticket exchange. Whew. Not as much money as I was hoping to get, but whatever. At least it’s not a loss.

  140. An assist exists because a goal gets scored.

    Even if they’re not equal value, how much do you discount an assist vs a goal?

  141. _An assist exists because a goal gets scored.

    Even if they’re not equal value, how much do you discount an assist vs a goal?_

    A lot. Given that two assists can be scored on every goal and that the goal is more important than the assist, I’d say at a rate better than 1/2.

  142. Nash’s fiancee, 2012: “If you worked at McDonald’s and were not a hockey star, it wouldn’t matter.”

    Nash, 2013 to wife: “Remember that conversation about McDonald’s? Uh…..

  143. Sounds pretty *RIGGED* to me, The Doctor.

    But I said this before and I will reiterate it: I don’t think Vanek is a good match for Tavares. I think they play on separate lines to create more scoring depth. Moulson was the *perfect* player to partner with Tavares. You need a “garbage goal” type guy who can bang home rebounds from an elite player that takes a lot of shots. That is the perfect pairing.

    Vanek and Tavares are just two guys that will detract from each other’s goal scoring.

  144. So is Tavares only marginally more valuable than Vanek because the major difference in their production tends to come from JT’s higher assist totals?

  145. I always wondered why goals weren’t worth two points, since you can get two assists. But, in a world where some games are worth 2 points and some are worth 3….

  146. carp(or fischler,or anyone old enough)—JD broke his leg in January 1976—can you find out who they played that nite…I missed that game…the next game I missed was mar.3,1985 vs.pens…I want to count up the number of games in a row…thnx

  147. _So is Tavares only marginally more valuable than Vanek because the major difference in their production tends to come from JT’s higher assist totals?_

    Is that true? Since 2010, Tavares has him by double digits in both categories (10 goals, 14 assists). He’s just a flat out better player. Which isn’t a knock on Vanek at all; Tavares is awesome.

  148. Doodie Machetto on

    Moulson played with Tavares. Vanek played with Derek Roy, Drew Stafford, Tim Connolly, and Cody Hodgson.

    Slight talent disparity there.

  149. Doodie Machetto on

    And Buffalo actually required that their players occasionally play defense. Not so for the Islanders teams of 3 and 2 years ago.

  150. the more I think about it the more I don’t get the Vanek trade. is Vanek a better player than Moulson? yeah. but why not try to have them both if you are really going for it. the Isles are supposed to be loaded with prospects. trade a few for Vanek. Vanek with Moulson would be real trouble for the east. just Vanek I am not so worried.

  151. Its been more or less universally panned as far as I can tell. The work of a really short-sighted (or just cheap) ownership group.

  152. Brooklyn, home to new generations of young, educated, movin’ on up hipsters, might be well advised to promote some heavily discounted hockey “blue seats” to build a vocal, local fan base.

  153. And then another difference between being willing to spend it and smart enough to spend it wisely. Sad face.

  154. Doodie, none of those guys are Tavares…definitely. And I think Vanek is a great player. But, to what extent? Tavares makes everyone better, but does Dorsett outscore Vanek over the last 4 years playing with Tavares? Does Hagelin?

    I just don’t think the difference is worth the cost. A rebuilding franchise shouldn’t be trading their 1st and 2nd rounders for rentals.

  155. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Vanek, like Tavares, makes his linemates better. I don’t think that about Moulson.

    This isn’t just about upgrading Moulson’s spot. This improves Tavares also.

    I mean, there’s always concerns of chemistry, but if they mesh well, Tavares scores at 100+ pt pace, something he never would have done over a full season with Moulson.

  156. Doodie Machetto on

    But again, this is all contingent on resigning Vanek. If Vanek walks, this trade is a disaster

  157. Doodie Machetto on

    And not just for the loss of player and picks. The optics of it would be absolutely terrible.

    The Islanders are trying to show they are a good place for players to go. If Vanek plays a whole year there, playing WITH Tavares, and he STILL chooses to go elsewhere, that just sets the Islanders even further back.

  158. And the Islanders, despite howls from LI, are unequivocally due for a new name from a PR standpoint.

  159. Jeff in South Dakota on

    Over/under on how it is before some drunk hurls over the bridge railing on to the suits below?

  160. I couldn’t tell if that avatar was Teddy Roosevelt or Dolan. Does anyone see a little man in there playing a banjo?

  161. The Islanders are putting up the same amount of goals as Crosby and Co. and Vanek is only going to add to it.

    Rangers are going to have there hands full if they don’t get some goal scorers going. Nash out, Gabby Gone, who is our “GO TO” guy for a game winning goal, Richie Rich?????

  162. Here’s five bucks Alice. Spend it any way you like,…the gas bill, the oil bill, any way you like.

    I like it Carp.


  163. I really hope that MSG will be a building that these fans can be proud of. That’s what it most important.

  164. >>I’m a little hurt that nobody commented on my new avatar.

    You’re Carp; a little hurt cannot hurt you.

  165. Why is Staal’s chin so sharp? Is he eating?

    Mrs. Manny thinks he sounds like Napoleon Dynamite.

    There are NO Southern accents in hockey. None.

  166. Carp, is that an updated picture of you or the one from when you were 26?

    Did you lose your hair at an early age? ;)

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