Rangers-Mighty Ducks in review

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Thoughts:

1) I know it’s considered heresy to say this, but Henrik Lundqvist hasn’t looked good since the preseason began.

2) That third goal was a 2-on-2, no defensive mistake at all. Maybe it was deflected. Probably was. I don’t place blame on deflections. If it wasn’t deflected, it needs to be stopped.

New York Rangers v Anaheim Ducks3) The first two goals, though? Oy. The two D-men below the goal line has disaster written all over it. And the first goal, man, you never see Ryan McDonagh get beaten like that. Still, Anton Stralman with the snow angel and Derek Stepan with the weak backcheck both had a chance to bail him out. And Stepan and Jesper Fast had a chance on the second.

4) That Marian Gaborik trade. I didn’t like it when it happened and don’t like it today, and I think it will come back and bite the Rangers, and I’m not going to get into what Gaborik’s doing for Columbus, because you had to figure he would. But Derick Brassard has been a ghost for four games, John Moore, so far, looks more like a minor-leaguer than Chris Kreider or J.T. Miller did, and Derek Dorsett, well, he is what he is, which is NOT Brandon Prust.

5) This lunacy about removing helmets has to stop. The league just finds rules to make its game look sillier and sillier. Fighters should adopt an unwritten rule that, in these staged fights, both remove their helmets and just accept the additional minor penalty. And Arron Asham has to be smarter than that.

6) And plenty of people are down on Alain Vigneault’s system and his decisions (no kids), and I still think the way he wants to play doesn’t fit the personnel he has. But I’m not heaping the whole thing on him. In fact, I think it was completely ridiculous for a team with a new coach and a new system to schedule that four games/five nights preseason trip and the Banff vacation when a new coach and a new system needed to be sitting around the home practice rink figuring out stuff. The Garden was closed, but they could have played fewer preseason games, and they sure as hell could have played closer preseason games.

7) Again, that’s not an excuse. But in hindsight, it was a poorly hatched idea. … well, maybe it is a legit excuse, too.

8) Pretty much all five Rangers on the ice, six if you count the keeper, messed up on the fifth goal. Brad Richards, back at center, way late on the backcheck. OK, now I’m gonna stop analyzing all the goals. (I wrote this line just before the sixth goal).New York Rangers v Anaheim Ducks

9) Does A.V. remember that each team has a timeout?

10) Jakob Silfverberg=Beast. (no idea if that’s spelled correctly). Loved him in Ottawa.

11) So, maybe L.A. was the fluke game? (remember the two crossbars and the two gift goals).

12) Since I rip him all the time, I want to commend Brendan Shanahan on getting it right with Brad Stuart. It wasn’t an elbow, but it was a head shot. Keep it up, Sheriff.

13) But, boy, if you think it can’t get worse for the Rangers, imagine if Rick Nash is out long-term. And he might well be.

14) Despite all that negative typing, I still think this team could be good enough to finish second, to make the playoffs and be ahead of the Islanders after Game 82.

15) Another silly thing is this rule that prevented the Rangers from practicing Wednesday. Holy shishkebob.

16) Two hundred and 34 regulation periods left.

******************************New York Rangers v Anaheim Ducks
My Three Rangers Stars:
1. Holy crap.
2. There really.
3. Is nobody.
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Your poll vote for Three Rangers Stars:
1. Martin Biron.
2. Arron Asham.
3. tie, Derek Dorsett and Brad Richards.
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  1. Absolutely zero reasons to watch this game now. Hopefully come Saturday there might be something worth getting excited about, apart from how much the pending UFA’s contract values are going down.
    Anyone still think Hank is an $8m man? Cally a $6m man and Danny G a $5m man? Nope, not even close right now.

  2. I havent watched a single game here in Amsterdam just been reading your reviews (no comments) but i am just embarassed. Where is the pride? Where is the great leadership we keep hearing about?

  3. good thing this is pre-season.

    I guess you can’t blame the new coach from playing the new bosses recent signings, but…..after ten games, I expect some personnel changes.

    Nobody has looked very good, maybe Richards in spurts, Callahan. But our “solid” defense and goaltending has been horrid.

  4. Good morning, boneheads!

    Good review, Carp. Must be tough to find things to talk about aside from describing how bad they are.

    I didn’t like Gaborik trade, nor I liked Torts’ firing. It doesn’t matter now, it is what it is, time to move on.

    The real question is, are they really that bad? I don’t think so. But it may get even worse before it gets better. Stay positive, ‘heads!

  5. Wow…I feel bad for Steiner Collectables…the value of their Ranger inventory is dropping faster than Del Z trying to breakup a 2 on 1……..ya know….losing is one thing…this is something far worse. I know…it is still early….but I cannot watch this team play like this….attending opening night with some friends….I sense the one Canadien fan in our group is already counting hos two points. I think Sather should steer clear of trades with JD….

  6. Dylan Mac, a crease-clearing, beat your brains out physical D would be a disaster, if promoted? Really? So that Rangers really should not have passed on Cam Fowler, who has merely been dreadful in all his time up here?

    Relatively old guys like D. Moore and T. Pyatt represent a better option than adding a couple younger pieces to the puzzle right now because this team is going to win the Stanley Cup, right?

  7. gregm_oldsection403 on

    I love Hank, i really do. But when he started complaining last year about all of the deflections because of the Rangers’ team plan to block as many shots as possible, i thought to myself, “OK, let’s see what Hank can do when he sees 15-20 more shots per game (without deflections).”

    Is this the real Hank we see now? Does Hank need to be in a system where his teammates block so many shots? I don’t know.

    But maybe Sather thought this too? Now Hank’s value is sliding (not a lot). But a few more games like this (or an entire season), and we all might love Hank a little less.

  8. Robby,
    right on.
    gregm,
    to me Hank is the biggest worry right now. I think the players will eventually adjust to AV’s system, or AV will adjust his system to the players.
    it is also time to put Falk into the lineup. one of the bottom 3 should come out. they are all good candidates, but I would pick MDZ. I think that sends the loudest message.

  9. AV not making it to MSG on Oct 28. His system is the stupidest one I have seen in my 40+ yrs of life and 36 yrs of playing/watching hockey.

    2 D chase behind the goal line and into corners leavin slot protected by one guy like D Moore or B Richards? Really?

    And pls trade MDZ while he still has some value.

  10. also the 5 center situation needs to be addressed. every game one of the 5 centers is playing out of position. move one for a winger. Boyle, Brassard, and Moore are the candidates. I would move either Brassard, or Moore based on the 4 games played so far. Boyle just plays harder than the other 2, and I think they need that right now.

  11. I wonder how the team bonding is going now on this road trip?…lol The only grace for me is I fall asleep after the first period.

    What is Ulf teaching our d men? Cant’ believe how bad they look. I knew we would be starving for goals but thought the D would be strong.

    Did I see somewhere the game on Saturday might be moved to the day because of baseball?

  12. I still think Torts would have had a great year this year…also think his frustration with the lockout-shortened season created the problems with Sather…they will regret the change. Installing a new system is akin to bringing in a bunch of new players. It will take time…we will see whether they get it together in time to make the playoffs, I doubt it. Obviously, No Rick Nash==Big Trouble for the Blueshirts.

  13. So they might have tuned Torts out, but it sure doesn’t look like they’ve tuned into AV. Kidding, well sort of.

    With the way this team has looked it’s very easy to wonder whether they are a Rick Nash and a Carl Hagelin away from being even a playoff let alone a Cup contender.

    I was more than willing to trade off a few more goals against for a more goals for but they’ve been pretty far out of the money on that trade so far.

    No they’re not at as bad as they are right now but a few more games like this and you wonder if they’ll ever be any good even after the adjustment period is over.

  14. That loud bang that woke you all up in the middle of the night was the sound of the window closing on the Henrik-Callahan Rangers

    In only 17 months, from semi finalists to the league’s worst team…that has to be worth something

  15. We lose again... on

    I had given Slats the benefit of the doubt for a long time. The way he had been able to erase many of his bad signings was actually amazing, most notably Scotty Gomez. Nevertheless, he clearly made a mistake by listening to the team and dumping Torts. Torts certainly had his issues, but does anyone now think he wasn’t the right coach for NY? It’s very clear that this team, for whatever reason, needs a drill sergeant for a coach; remember our one Cup in the past 74 years or so was a credit to Iron Mike. I don’t think AV is the right coach for this team. He needs a talented team with leaders and this team apparently has neither. Back to Slats, it’s painfully clear now that his scouting team has not found the talent necessary to take this team to the top. You look at Chicago, for example, they had been an also ran for many years, but with new leadership they seem to be a team that will be in the top tier for years to come through solid drafts and good trades. Unfortunately it seems that Slats has a lifetime contract, so this team is going nowhere for many years to come, very sad indeed. Our young players are overhyped in the media and we gullible fans take the bait each fall. Looking at things objectively, there really aren’t any players in the system that can save this train wreck of a team. AV needs skilled players and they’re simply not here – Torts recognized this and coached accordingly. Maybe it wasn’t the most exciting brand of hockey, but at least they showed some fight and pride. This team reminds me of the mid 70s and 80s units…yikes! To a certain degree I feel sorry for Hank. It’s clear this season will cost him money and years on his next deal. I forecast a 20-50-12 season for the team with Hank posting a 16-40-8 season with a GAA over 4.25 and a sub .900 save percentage, if he’s lucky. I hope Slats does not cave and sign him to a long term deal. The best course of action would be to try and deal him when the playoff bound teams are looking to strengthen their rosters. The bigger concern is who do you buy out after the season, Nash or Richards? If Nash is the current version of Eric Lindros, it’s a tough call.

  16. Good morning all! Holy shishkekob is right. Cracked up at the three non-stars. What in holy heck is going on here?????

  17. Eric is starting to look like the voice of reason…very scary. Carp- best top three stars review ever :-)

  18. We lost again... on

    By the way, I hope MSG understands that when the team rolls back into the Garden sporting a 1-9 record that the fans will not be interested in a lengthy season opening celebration… I think it’s going to be a very long year for many of the Rangers, Nos. 4, 19, 30, 43 to name a few… By the way, who was that guy wearing No. 21 last night. What a pathetic performance, is Stepan still holding out? Does he know what back checking means?

  19. Pretty sure the Blue Man Group and a free T-shirt will be enough to turn around even the harshest critics in the audience for the home opener.

    Good of the team to get what are (hopefully) the worst performances of the year out of the way in the games that start way too late for me to be able to watch.

    TRAID ALLZ THE RAINGERS

  20. Stranger Nation on

    14) I still think this team could be good enough to finish second, to make the playoffs and be ahead of the Islanders after Game 82.

    WOW! Really, that division is that bad?

  21. Defense has been horrible but its tough when your forwards never have the puck. Stephan looks out of shape, Brassard, Moore, Pyatt have not shown up yet. Kreider and Miller need to play just to insert some speed/size and create a forecheck.

  22. Well outside of Pitt the Metro division doesn’t really have any teams that look like sure bets.

  23. I am “all seeing”, indeed.

    This team, lack of a better term, is “bush” … “bush-league”

  24. Put me out of misery. I saw this coming from the Friday in July the day schedule was announced. What I didn’t see was the fact that we are a pathetic disoriented team with no clue of how to play in own end.

    Pouliot zucc Boyle Pyatt brassard Moore. They are all dead weight.

    No joke they come home 1-7-1 I am wearing a brown bag over my head.

    Gaborik I miss u.

  25. CARP Really? Better than the Icelanders? Must be a tongue in cheek comment. This is all on GM for life Sather. Other that Nash (on Lindross street) we have no first line players. Cally and Step are nice 2nd liners. Can’t win with this team even with Hank standing on his head which we have no seen yet. And Pyott…he’s just plain awful. Why is he not in the AHL? Those 2 goals he scored in week 1 last yr?

  26. I don’t know … other than Tavares, where are the Islanders superior? Seriously, do they have other first-line players I don’t know about? Or any first-pair defensemen? Or a goalie?

  27. Do the Rangers necessarily have a first line player, especially taking into consideration Nash has probably gotten his eggs scrambled for a second time in less than a year?

    And then are the Isles cast of non-1st liners better than the Rangers?

  28. At least Kaleta is getting an in person hearing. That could be a 10 gamer. For his terrible, dangerous play yet again.

    No one will ever, ever, ever replace THE PRUST (who had more goals last night than the entire Rangers team). Dorsett is no substitute for Brandon. Not even close.

    I could rant about the loss and all the garbage defensive play and the missed assignments and Joe M. going on and on about Man-to-Man coverage, etc. but I would rather just say that I actually think this will get better with practice. I still expect this team to make the playoffs. I mean just think about how many timeouts they will have saved up by then?

    Jakob SilFverberg is an absolute force. Pretty nice return on that Bobby Ryan trade.

  29. This mess that is the Rangers is what happens when you install a third style of play in nine months. They tried to go offensive to start last season without the benefit of a pre-season. When that didn’t work, they went bcak to Torts hockey. Now we have the AV system that the team is trying to learn on the fly because our wrinkled-old-GM didn’t want to spend time alone in Banff.

    Credit the organization for wanting to help out in Banff, but how about staying home and helping out those who are still struggling with the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy?

  30. You still buy out Richards, expect Nash on LTIR or playing. This season is stupid so far. Like seriously, what do they expect us to watch during the winter? NBA? Football? C’mon, boys.

  31. Oh, and at least the guy Edler hit in the head was Hertl. You know Tort saw the video of that garbage and targeted Hertl as a young punk.

  32. Czechthemout!!! on

    I put the DVR on at home while here in Estonia watching my daughter skate. By the looks of things, I wont have to watch too many of the first 6 games. I now fully expect them to be blown out in St.Louis on Saturday. This is so far very disappointing to say the least but I will urge you guys to remember that it is only four games so far and even though they look like gavno, it does take time for a team to learn a new system. Just look at how awful the Caps looked the first 20 or so games. Lets try to be a little patient. But I can see where it would be easy to give up on them. They truly seem to be a bad team so far.

    But the bottom line in all this is, coaches come and go. Players come and go. The one constant is Sather. His job is safe no matter what. I find it disturbing to say the least. 14 seasons of play that is below mediocrity. Terrible drafting in the first round year after year except Staal, and yet, he is still here.

  33. The one guy who can turn this ship around has a job already, JD. To bad he would have been good in NY again. Not sure this system of AV will work with this group. This team is no where close to the Black Hawks, bruins, Blues (Sat. night Yikes) etc. It looks like we peaked a few years ago and now…..

  34. It’s a good point that Carp made about the trip to BanffffffFFFfff and all the non practice days. It’s pretty absurd. These guys really need to get down to brass tacks and work on the defensive side of their game.

  35. Did they have another extended closed door meeting after the game last night, or is that against the bargaining agreement too? I think they need another pep talk from the best GM in pro sports…

  36. You can say what you want about Torts, but there is no way a team he is coaching loses 6-0 after being trashed 9-2. Just not happening. Not bashing AV and we need to give him time, but when all is said and done I don’t think firing Torts was the right move.

  37. has stepan even dressed for the last 2 games?? yea, i miss torts, as a fan what the heck do i care that he’s difficult with the media and hard on pampered pro athletes that earn a king’s ransom twice a month? as long as my team works hard and won more than they lost, well, its better than the mess we have now. #24 has to step up his leadership voice and true that we have NO 1st line talent outside of nash. hagelin, cally, stepan, etc. at best underachieving 2nd & 3rd line forwards…

  38. I agree with you Dump n Chase on the media garbage. If the team is winning I don’t give a Rats Tuchas how the coach treats the media. I’m sure Brooksie and Co. can handle it. They are adults who had to crack into the business cold calling people for interviews and writing “dead baby in dumpster” stories.

  39. Robby – if McIlrath was a good hockey player, he’d be here already. He’s not. Fowler has had his struggles, but you can see he’s an NHL d-man. He can skate, he can move the puck extremely well, and he can QB a PP.

    We should just bring up McIlrath since he’ll be like Purinton in the 98-04 days since even if we lose, we have a funny guy that goes around like a sideshow act trying to fight everyone even though he’s a terrible hockey player.

    Speaking of Dale, pretty sure he’s the only player ever in NHL history to get a triple-minor.

  40. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    I just assume that if it isn’t a trade, Sather has made the wrong move. And now I’m not even sure about trades anymore.

    I was pro-Nash trade and anti-Gaborik trade. I was willing to eat crow last season because it looked good, but they could use Gaborik now. He was extremely under-appreciated by some boneheads.

  41. carp,
    i like you because your no pom pom boy, but 2nd place. lol this is not a reaction to the last couple of days. honest people said in preseason 10th place in conference. Worst forwards in 20 yrs. a D not playing anywhere nears where it should. a goalie who is pre occupied. No toughness or grit and a wrong system for the lack of talent we have. Blow up the team or watch the season blow up before our eyes….if anybody is still watching by xmass

  42. Wait, wait. Have the Ducks even scored on the PP this season? Let’s not call Cam Fowler a PP QB just yet. Sure he’s in the NHL because he’s had the benefit of being on teams that can allow him to develop IN the NHL. Also, he didn’t have to have major surgery at age 20.

  43. Carp

    I don’t know … other than Tavares, where are the Islanders superior? Seriously, do they have other first-line players I don’t know about? Or any first-pair defensemen? Or a goalie?

    October 11th, 2013 at 8:43 AM

    Their players are young and growing into top line players. Other then JT, I’d love to have guys like Moulson, Grabner, Martin on the Rangers. Sorry, but right now they are a better team with a deeper pool of kids in their system. You can’t overlook them anymore, they are a hard working team that doesn’t know what quit means. I hate to say it but they currently are the better NY team.

  44. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Carp made the 2nd place prediction preseason, and there’s no real reason to change it after 3 games (unless Nash is determined to be out for months).

    That being said, they really need to come home with at least 6 points because less would be a difficult uphill climb.

  45. for the record i disliked the Nash trade, liked the Gabby trade, hated the Torts firing and didnt like the Richards signing and puked in my mouth when their was no buy out. ugh!

  46. Carp – come on, the Islanders are deep. Maybe it’s because you solely focus on the Rangers (you cover them so you kind of have to), but they are a pretty stacked young team.

    Moulson, Okposo, Grabner, Nielsen, Bailey, they signed Bouchard this offseason and picked up quality depth player Peter Regin. Their core of Tavares, Moulson, Okposo, Grabner, Nielsen, and Hamonic they’ve built pretty solid around. Getting Visnovsky to come over and play has been a big help.

    They also have De Haan, Strome, and Reinhardt in the system that should be quality NHL players (highly touted). The Rangers don’t have 1 prospect in their system better than any of those guys.

    Then add the fact that they are way under the cap and this team is young and can be built on and you have a team that is much better than the Rangers. Just because the Rangers have the bigger names doesn’t mean they are better. As a matter of fact, that’s probably proof in itself as to why they aren’t better than the Isles.

  47. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    I like Martin, but he’s a 3rd line player. And what does everyone say we have about 10 of?

  48. Stranger Nation on

    They are missing what they have been searching for since the end of Messier Part 1 – a first line starting center. Until you have that position filled, you are just whistling past the graveyard.
    Too many centers someone posted…but the issue is quality, not quantity.
    Richards – #1 center? NO, #2 center, YES if you only have to play offense. Best forward so far? Fantasy hockey is the best, right? Pass the douchie on the left hand side…
    Step – solid #2 who struggles early in season, will be fine, sucks now
    Brass – can be a suitable #2 but needs finishers,
    Boyle – good checking center who has hands of stone
    Moore – fine 4th liner; doesn’t really matter if your others don’t play well.

  49. Carp, seems like you are becoming a minority with your continued refusal to acknowledge the Islander growth and prospects to move past the dysfunctional Ranger organization.

    Hopefully you will take a closer look at the situation and present a more balanced picture of two franchises going in different directions.

    After all is there really one single area of the organization you believe is a strength?

  50. Carp

    rather have Moulson than Callahan? Grabner than Stepan? Or even Richards (contract notwithstanding)?

    Yhat wasn’t what I said, but you can’t say JT is all they have. They have decent players now and and depth in their farm club – they are no longer bottom dwellers and are a legitimate competive team. Once they secure a goaltender for their future they will be a contender. They also have a lot of cap space to work with to continue to build and improve. What does Sather have to work with to improve? When you add everything up, they are in a far better position then the Rangers and right now are just as competitve, if not more so.

  51. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Not sure why all the complaining. Take away the Ducks’ six goals and it’s 0-0 in the third…

  52. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    If the Islanders ever used their cap space to attract a first line player and a real goalie, they’d have shot.

    So, I’m not worried.

  53. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    So, the Islanders highly touted prospects are guaranteed to be better than the Rangers highly touted prospects?

  54. Look, the Rangers are in a terrible situation, and honestly, I think they’re allowed to use it as an excuse. This road trip, starting with the preseason, is cruel and unusual punishment. How is a team who is trying to adjust to a new coach, a new system, and new teammates supposed to win when they can barely adjust to a [Bfuglien] timezone? We still don’t even have a full lineup! On top of this steaming pile of [Carcillo], they are also playing REALLY good teams who are not only talented but are also jacked on adrenaline because it’s their home-opener. The Rangers have been dealt a [Carcillo] hand… all for a Garden renovation WE DON’T NEED!

  55. Stepan is a #2 center that is being forced as a #1 center on this team. Grabner plays 2nd line wing and can score 30 goals easy. He skates like Hagelin except he actually has an offensive game (making him a 2nd line center, not a 3rd). And I love Cally for his work ethic and wouldn’t trade him for Moulson, but Moulson is a better offensive player.

    At the end of the day, it’s not a 1 for 1 competition. It’s a 20 for 20. And the Islanders as a group of 20 are better than the Rangers as a group of 20. (which is exactly why I didn’t want the Nash trade to happen since that previous group of 20 was getting it done)

  56. So I guess I agree that maybe the individual skill on the top 6 is close (Rangers might have an upper hand), but they can’t get it done together. Isn’t that the point though? I’d rather have no names that win than big names that stink it up.

  57. Jeff in South Dakota on

    Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell’s the matter with you? Stupid! We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi. We’re not Spartans. We’re Boneheads, with a capital ‘B’, huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts! Here’s proof: his nose is cold! But there’s no animal that’s more faithful, that’s more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw “Old Yeller?” Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?

  58. And the Islanders have enough cap space that they can pay Lundqvist $8 million a year if he wants and they’ll be in Brooklyn so he’ll still be close to home. They bring Moulson back and keep the team the same with De Haan and Reinhardt up on D and that’s a scary team.

  59. I was anti-Nash trade, anti-Gaborik trade, then I came around on both and, frankly, if I had my way, I’d take back only the Nash. Run a team out with a lot of young players, wipe out all the > $7MM underperforming cap hits and semi-rebuild. The cap era means the end to the “best player we can get right now” strategy.

  60. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Brooks called the Nash injury a concussion (not likely concussion), so is that official now?

  61. Gravy, Just Gravy

    If the Islanders ever used their cap space to attract a first line player and a real goalie, they’d have shot.

    So, I’m not worried.

    They’ve offered money in the past, but no buddy wanted to play in that dump, let alone they were a terrible team with no direction. Since JT signed and showed he was commited to the future of the team, their ability to keep players has improved. Now that they are competing and moving in the right direction, moving to Brooklyn soon, things will continue to improve for them. Their preseason in Brooklyn had a very good turnout. If they continue to win, fans will come – and with a good team and money available, players will too.
    Build it and they will come!

  62. One piece of important information missing from the Islanders/Rangers discourse.

    The Islanders will be moving to a much better venue with all the attendant excitement surrounding the move.

    Their financial picture will improve allowing them to increase spending on both current players and have the cap room to attract the missing pieces.

    Again I would ask the writer to give us his perc3ei8ved areas of strength in the Ranger organization!

  63. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    The Islanders have never shown any interest in giving any player $8M, except Alexei Yashin.

    And again, their D prospects are guaranteed to be good?

  64. Oh, and can we go back in time and make the Stamkos deal? I’ve seen him play. He’s good.

  65. _Moulson is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, without Tavares. Nothing._

    I said that about Parenteau too. Maybe Tavares is so good he makes guys better even after they leave. Like Thomas Keller.

  66. They have a blog, ilb. It’s an Angelfire website though (pre HTML). I don’t think it’s been updated since the turn of the century though.

  67. I’m not an Islander fan, outside of I want Nelson to be successful. But watching that young team come together, at least they have HOPE, and the young guns are getting better every year.

    Would I take Grabner over Nash in real life, no. But he has twice the points to start off the year so far…..so that helps my fantasy team – until Nash starts scoring GOALS.

    WOW did Gaborik look good last night :) 1 goal & 2 assist. We could use a guy like that.

    Fowler > McBust all day, everyday, twice on Sunday!!!

  68. Of course the islanders are on there way up. They’ve been bad for a long time drafting allot of those timers in the top 5, sooner or later there going to be a good team. There defense is lacking and they don’t have a future goaltender in there system. This is all great if your a islander fan but unless there owner spends money when the time comes it will be for not. Why are we talking about the islanders? I thought this was a ranger blog. Who gives as rats carcillo about the islanders.

  69. Oh yea. Parenteau. Those guys both seem like a poor mans version (and the Islanders and Devils are most certainly poort) of David Clarkson. Cherry pickers.

  70. Matty"GetBetterNasher"Boy on

    I just can’t understand why everyone so down. Our best player out for a while and the team losing 2 games a combined 16-2. No problem.

    After all, we have the best front office in the game and we can trust they can work this out. Right?

  71. Matty"GetBetterNasher"Boy on

    Seems like a lot of jealous Ranger fans. Relax. We are better than this. They are getting better, but I’d still ALWAYS rather be a Ranger fan. :)

  72. Moulson is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, without Tavares. Nothing.

    And if he resigns and stays with Tavares???? And last I checked, he is still an Islander. So this comment means nothing, I repeat NOTHING until that changes.

  73. If Nash comes back and plays somewhere near where he has historically, could they move him at the deadline to a real contender to get back some high upside young talent and/or first round picks?

    Sort of like what Sandy Alderson did with the oft injured Beltran to land Zach Wheeler.

  74. _The opponents were held scoreless for the last 20 min of this season. I call it a start._

    That’s what I call grabbin’ the clean slate.

  75. Jeff in South Dakota on

    What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

  76. I’m not really that worried about that our scoring. I assume we can figure out how to get a few lucky bounces here and there. I’m way more concerned about our completely clueless and lost defense.

  77. The only common thing that hasn’t changed is sather. Until this artifact is gone nothing will change in Rangerland. This is why Dolan is the worst owner in sports. I’ve been a ranger fan since 1968 and this is the first time I am embarrassed to be a ranger fan. Thanks allot you old fossil cigar smoking carcillo Hartnell Sather.

  78. Manny thanks for sharing the WolfPack link. That’s funny stuff.

    Love the Wolfpack Goal Song. Kristo will be used to it. It was the Sioux song for many years, after hey 12,000 fans shouted GO SIOUX – loud and proud.

    Thank God Sioux Hockey starts this Fri/Sat. I need a win like a Hump Day Camel looking for the weekend

  79. P.A.P’s has more goals than Everyone on the Mannytoba Murders ……. I kid, I kid. But he does :)

  80. I just realized I haven’t put my jersey (sweater) on yet this season and I’m pretty sure everything is all my fault.

  81. Parenteau couldn’t skate, remember? Apparently he can shoot lol.

    And Manny, if Carp lost the room and we bring in Brooksie, does that mean more “offensive” comments?

  82. So we had a coach who built a system based on low talent levels and made it work, then the players decided they had talent because it worked, revolted, got a coach that plays a system that requires talent, and are getting their kiesters handed to them. Huh.

    Yeah, this team is bad and Girardi is the poster boy. He’s not very gifted, he just is fearless and will throw himself at the puck. If that’s not what he is being told to do, he stinks.

  83. THE PLAN? (According to Glen E. Sather, Super Genius!):

    Whew, yes, I am glad someone finally asked. Here it is. The five year plan starting in the fall of 2011 which was only 2 short years ago.

    1. We signed Brad Richards. we have a great goaltender and a great nucleus of young talent. Now we have 2 first line players in Gaborik and Richards. Let’s see if we can build on last year’s first round playoff exit by making it to the next round.

    2. Wow, we had an exceptional year. This team was clearly much greater than the sum of its parts. They were the hardest team to play against all year, they made their own luck all year, the chemistry in the room was fantastic. This coach seems to have really gotten through to these guys.

    3. Amendment to the plan #1: Now all we need is a little more scoring. And it sounds like Rick Nash is available. I have no idea if he will fit into our system, but think of how cool it would be to have Rick Nash. He is a superstar with a capital S. Dubinsky had yet another down year, and Anisimov doesn’t quite fit with the coach’s vision. I’ll make that trade.

    4. Amendment to the plan #2 : But not only that. Some of you may, or might have, thought this chemistry thing was important. So if I am trading 2 guys who are pretty big in the room for Nash, I probably ought to make sure that I keep most of the rest of the room intact. That will help the coach and help the players and help Nash. But instead, I will let Prust, Mitchell, and Fedotenko walk away too. And then I’ll trade Rupp as well. So at a minimum, we’re going to turn over 2 forward lines from a team that went to the Conference Finals last year. Let’s see how it goes.

    5. Amendment to the plan #3: Wow, this year sure is different. Long lockout, guys out of shape, no proper camp for a coach whose entire system is based on having a great camp. Lots of new faces. Team still in the playoff picture but not competing nearly as much. Richards has dropped off the planet and with this new CBA, we are probably going to need to buy him out, especially after this performance. But even worse, it seems like Gaborik – whose skills still seem terrific – is not getting along with the coach. Never mind that he scored 40 goals + for this guy twice. I could just sit them down in a room and tell them we need them both and they’d better get along. But that would require me flying in from Banff. Either Gabby goes, or Torts goes. Since the coach certainly isn’t going anywhere, I’ll use this opportunity to trade one of the few elite players in the league to Columbus for three guys that I think will replace the depth we lost. Never mind that Derrick Brassard is a massive underachiever who has never shown anything even remotely close to the heart Brandon Dubinsky – an overacheiver – showed every night. Or that Derek Dorsett is definitely no Brandon Prust. Those guys were spare parts anyway. It’s still the same team as last year, Torts’ team.

    6. Amendment to the plan #4 (whew, with all these amendments I better get to work on the actual constitution itself, huh?): Wow, this team showed some real spark near the end of the year. And somehow managed to squeak by the Caps in round one, who coming into the playoffs were clearly the league’s hottest and most dangerous team. But that loss to the Bruins, that was just abominable. I hated the way we played. never mind that Boston went on to beat Pittsburgh even worse, or that they are the same exact team that won it all 2 years ago and we are not even close to the same team that went one round further 1 year ago. Torts is outta here. The players don’t like him either, they say he is too demanding and pushes too much. I know, I know, I said it was either him or Gabby. But hell, my new favorite trading partner is the Columbus Blue Jackets anyway. They were always horrible, but all they really needed was the right coach. So I’ll get rid of Torts, the media will love me for it. And I’ll hire the old Columbus coach, the one who couldn’t last a season on the crappiest team going, to run the power play. And voila!!

    See how a little planning in advance goes a long way? Wait, what was the plan again?

  84. And I’m not suggesting we bring in Brooks over Carp. I like Carp’s system.

    Carp – don’t act like you aren’t getting excited about your golf season starting in Early April instead of late May…

  85. You can’t figure out how to get lucky bounces. It’s referred to as luck for a reasonAdd Your Comment

  86. Rob in Beantown on

    Brad Richards has zero hits this season. That’s pretty remarkable. I only say so because it’s a huge goose egg in my fantasy team’s hits column.

  87. Girardi overrated, not good. McDonagh good, but overrated. Staal good. The rest of the D stink. When they are not blocking shots, the D is atrociousAdd Your Comment

  88. Just cross this off if I’m wrong, but I have the feeling AV came here thinking he had a disciplined, Torts trained, relatively talented team with leadership and a world class goaltender.

    In thinking that, he felt he needed (early- on) to incorporate little and float around learning and assessing personnel until he saw where he needed to simply tweak.

    Little did he know – and even now, when still NOT pressed to define his “system,” other than in vague references to ‘speed’ and more offensive latitude to the Dmen, he intimates by self-protecting references to ‘it’s not the system, it’s putting passes on the stick,’ that he anticipates eventually being grilled on this and he wants to cut it off at the pass.

  89. I’m sure this is also considered heresy, but Callahan stating that he was “expecting more out of this group…” What exactly did he do to prevent the two blowouts? Six shots, no points, -5 in both.

  90. Coos I was thinking what a house of cards Torts built. Getting every ounce out of team, and taking them 2 games away from the Stanley Cup.

    Then he leaves…….and the cards are still on the table…. laying there face down….waiting to be washed :)

  91. _Girardi overrated, not good. McDonagh good, but overrated. Staal good. The rest of the D stink._

    Unsubscribe.

  92. Carp – I agree on 6. Was this an excuse to get out and play some golf and take some pretty pictures, and call it work. I love those days – work golf :)

    I get lots deals financed on the golf course, but I will say this, it really messes up my slap shot!!!

  93. We need Par Marts. The guy just won a World Championship. What did our coach win – most underachieving playoff team over the last thress seasons? Although, this team looks like it might be overachieving at the moment…

  94. Pitbull – Cally was the only one skating for 60 minutes the last 2 games. The numbers might not show it, but he tried his hardest. Not easy to carry a team when the other 17 skaters don’t step up.

  95. I heard Sylvain Blouin, Jeff Toms, and Jason Doig are available. Rumun Ndur too. Should we sign them for depth?

  96. So I’m think to myself, self – do I really want to fly to New York to watch this team play outside?

  97. has vigneault been fired yet. you know lamirello would have by now.

    what i cant fathom still is how in 2 games is a timeout not used as it still wouldnt have mattered but still HOW HOW

  98. Rob in Beantown on

    There has to be some kind of shakeup coming right? Are we really going to lose 9-2 and 6-0 in back to back games and have absolutely nothing change? WHERE IS THE SHAKEUP?

  99. Talk about a road trip, probably better grabbing a six pack and hoping for 6 pts, 9 might be a stretch. Unless we are talking about the goals against us in the Shark game. I can see getting beat by a SHARK, but a Duck????

  100. _I heard Sylvain Blouin, Jeff Toms, and Jason Doig are available. Rumun Ndur too. Should we sign them for depth?_

    15 years ago we had Hope, Jobs and Neckar but now we don’t and that’s bad or something.

  101. I was thinking with Boyler in the top 4 of scoring on this team, is he still 0 on the WBM?

  102. Of course, Sioux. He should be top 3. And if he were top 3, why not top 2? And if top 2, why not first? And if first, c’mon, have you seen other team’s top scorers?

  103. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Boyle is, and always will be, 0 until he is let go. Even last night, with all the nonsense, someone still questioned Boyle’s ice time.

  104. Peter, did you break in to Sather’s office and steal his diary? That’s not only hilarious but absolutely right.

  105. Mr. That’s my point, if you are below Bole, you should be on the hot seat!!!

    I’m thinking they should grab some clubs, play a round and think about it!!!

  106. I love how LGY’s post all end with Add Your Comment. It’s like Bill Engvall’s comedy bit, Here’s Your Sign.

    Tough morning to be a Ranger fan but really what are you going to do, switch teams? We all bleed blue, which is why this hurts so much.

    St Louis shouldn’t be much fun, they remind me of our team two years ago, tough to play against, etc. But I’m still going to watch the game and probably the remaining 77 too. I’m going to hope Carp is right and we come around, mostly I’m just going to hope.

  107. Why is everybody noticing the two D-men in the corner now? They did that last year as well. I was at the playoff clinching Hurricanes game last year (I live in NC), and I noticed that happening ALL GAME LONG! I even mentioned it on here at the time. It seemed like it was an intentional part of their defensive system where they were trying to outnumber the puck carrier. A winger always took the front of the net. People are just noticing this NOW? This team is playing soft. I don’t think there is an issue with the system. You have to play hard before you can blame a system for failing. This team is playing pond hockey.

  108. Graves he’s a solid 4th line Banger!

    He should never lead the team in anything but HITS! Then there was that season where 20 goals must have bounced off him.

  109. Only if Neckar is going is going to be the Tamer of the locker room. The players will stop being Fedyk with their effort and Popovic their opponents in the face forcing them to wave the Witehall after they get Armstronged.

    My god that team was bad…

  110. Brooks is the WORST. He’s going on some Twitter thing about how Edler is the criminal and Teenage Mutant Ninja Hertl should not be criticized for his Eurostyle immaturity.

    I’m totally fine with anyone in the league welcoming Hertl after that showboating garbage.

  111. Dan – that’s the difference. The wingers covered the slot and left the points open for 100 foot shots. Now they aren’t and the slot is open for 10 foot shots.

  112. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Boyle is actually even on the season, which is fairly remarkable considering the team’s goal differential.

  113. Uh, I dont think a timeout would have helped. Unless it was the kind you give 3 year olds. But that’s called a penalty and that hasn’t worked.

  114. Dubbb I’m with ya. I’ll watch the others as well. Even if its just to see the Sioux Alums on the other side. But then I do have the Sioux games to attend, and check in on our Tambellini prospect. Until my boy laces them up for his senior year.

  115. ThisYearsModel on

    Henrik has been off his game since preseason. He looks tentative, and that dash from the net last night was dopey. The Winnik goal was soft….he was down far too quickly. I expected this record…..I did not expect a goal differential like this.

  116. Where have people seen McIlrath play that they can declare him a bust at 21? It can’t be that they’ve been influenced by the fact that the management of this team has deemed him not ready for the NHL; the very same management that has put together this very “mediocre” product that we call the New York Rangers. And please quit comparing McIlrath with Fowler; the Rangers already have a Fowler and his name is Del Zotto, and we all know how well he is perceived around here…Bring up the kids because this team is unbearable to watch.

    BTW some of you have bright comedic minds that keeps me coming back to this blog time and time again, despite the pessimism that’s always looming, win or lose. I was laughing pretty hard (Johnson reference) last night. Thank you for that!

  117. I’ll give Hertl a pass, for real. And the coach for sitting him the rest of the game, just to make sure he left with all his teeth.

    He’s 19. Never scored more than 2 goals in a game. (asked after the game). Doesn’t have a full time job yet. Doesn’t have a car. But he is scoring at will in front of 18,000 fans. I doubt anyone THAT AGE could wipe the smile off their face.

    Now will the sharks keep him the rest of the year? Can he follow it up? Make a run for the Calder playing with Joe the rest of the year???

  118. Jonny D – Agree. However, that is still not the best way of handling that. Usually you have one D in the corner with a center or wing helping out. If the wing is in the corner, the center takes his spot covering the point. The other D covers the front of the net. Two D in the corner is stupid.

    The problem more than anything is the passiveness of this team. Stick checking, physically soft, and lazy. Did they think that since Torts was gone, now they can stop playing hard? This team has talent. Not elite forward talent, but enough talent to be a playoff team very easily. I have total faith that they will turn this around. I haven’t seen enough of AV to be a fan or detractor, but blaming the system right now is pointless. They have to play hard before anybody can even spot faults with the system. Their play is so crappy that you can’t even see a system in action yet.

  119. Coos, excellent assessment at 10:41 but who’s to blame?

    Does the fault still lie in our…star, and having been found not to be savior in a team sport should he bear the brunt of the fan’s rancor?

    Having viewed a number of teams around the league in addition to the Ranger games, is there anyone who views this roster as competitive with the top 10 in the league?

    Without another “miracle on ice” is there any consensus that this group will be a playoff team?

    And other than our goalie how many of this roster are highly valued by other organizations?

  120. It’s fine, Sioux. IF he learns his lesson. The same thing applied to Anisimov with that garbage rifle celebration he did in Tampa. He deserved the jumping he got. But hopefully that taught him.

    These guys aren’t closers in baseball like Rodney with the Arrow and Soriano with the shirt untuck (who make me want to puke). Hockey is a niche sport and hopefully remains pure and unaltered like an innocent toddler.

  121. Vinny I come here for the wit, and sarcasm, and people that read dog breakfast material.

    I’m not getting off the McBust Bus until HE TAKES HIMSELF off the bus. Fowler has 4 NHL seasons, an Olympic medal, a Gold Medal for the USA when he was 18. (I watched him play the whole tournament) and we passed on him for a “project”.

  122. Vinny – I watched him play in juniors and he was horrible. He’s a fringe NHL player at best. His #1 skill is the fact that he can fight and throw the occasional big hit. How that is worth a 1st round pick is beyond me.

    He’s a slow skater, he’s defensive awareness is brutal to watch. Maybe he develops into something better than what he was at the junior level, but he’d need a ton of amazing coaching to get to that point. In my eyes, he’s like the defensive version Sanguinetti, another wasted 1st round pick.

  123. I never played hockey at anything resembling a serious level, but can someone tell me if it’s really this hard for players to go from zone coverage to man-on-man, or is something else getting lost in translation here?

  124. I thought plus minus was a meaningless STAT? watching the games, you can see when its meaningless, and when it is not. in Boyle’s case right now, it is not meaningless. he has been a good player so far. even last night I thought he was one of the only forwards who battled hard all game.

  125. just forfeit the two points tom night in st louis. go home today practice for 5 days until washington wed night. figure something out. losing 3-1 will be a start.

  126. Hertl didn’t bother me even a little. Wasn’t mean spirited, just having fun because winning and scoring goals is fun and sports are sort of fun so why not? All this integrity of the game BS is just that; what Edler did is something like a billionty times worse.

  127. 3) Carp, it was a Girardi Snow Angel on the Getzlaf foal. He left his man in the slot and wola!

    McDonagh was at the the end of a long 2-3 minute shift where he was pounded over and over again by the forecheckers.

    The breakdown that lead to the goal began with the failure to get the puck deep / neutral zone turnover which prevented MCD from changing. The Ducks were able to get fresh skaters on, our change was BRUTAL.

  128. people keep complaining the the Rangers should have drafted Fowler. do you realize that he is minus 60 for his career. I have watched him play a few times, and each time I see him I think to myself, man this guy is bad. McIlrath may end up being a bust, but I have no problem that they past on Fowler.

  129. We really need to start getting a point or more in St.Louis or things are going to be not very welcoming for the team for the home opener.

  130. I don’t care about Fowler. His name is stupid. But also, how can we expect our team to draft correctly when they barely ever even have any draft picks remaining when the draft comes around. We trade them all away. Like a team living on credit cards.

  131. Right NOW he hasn’t even made the team to put him with the other 1’st round bust that are getting their 2nd, 3rd, 4th chance.

    FYI – Pouliot, Brassard, Boyle, Pyatt, & Biron are the other 1’st rounders that are here. Let’s hope Moore doesn’t fall on this list, but it is his 2nd team.

  132. On decided to join the picket line with CSense, bad feet and all. This must come to an end!

    Where and when?

  133. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    I’ve said it before, but McIlrath is about 2 years away from the same point Sauer was when he came up with the Rangers. So, he’s not a bust yet.

  134. I’d prefer a guy not living up to expectations in the minors rather than screwing up the big club.

  135. Rob in Beantown on

    Henrik did the same thing last year in a game where he kept getting hung him out to dry, except it didn’t lead to a goal and we all said how awesome it was. Rangers lost the game 3-0.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9GpMp4LxOE

    (Also remember the good old days where when we played bad we lost 3-0?)

  136. 27 exactly, but who is our Tavares? Yes, Moulson I so good with him, but who is our Tavares and the player that thrives with him? Yeah, I’m jealous , of course.

  137. maybe Manny, maybe. but maybe they just need a guy to play D. stay at home clear the crease, and throw the occasional big hit.

  138. If I’m taking any D-Man out of the lineup it’s going to be Stralman. And I completely, absolutely agree with you that we desperately need a stay at home defender to throw hits and CLEAR THE CREASE. It’s crazy that we play the diamond PK without anything closely resembling a tough D-Man.

  139. I would take MDZ out because it would send the biggest message. Moore, or Stralman would fine as well.

  140. Stranger Nation on

    Papa – your recall of goal was spot on. Step didn’t get puck deep as his wingers were MIA coming out of zone. and he was converged on. Still has to get it deep

  141. taking the night off from watching hockey tonight. need a day to get away from the game.

    will be watching x factor with the wife on dvr. may even go to sleep at decent hour.

    this team ruined my week

  142. Allen seemed like the favorite. I do think there has to be a line up change or will that happen after the Blues game. Like Rob said, there has to be a shake up, right?

  143. Manny, your comments always have a touch of humanity which I suppose is necessary for balance, but……………………..”hockey is a niche sport and hopefully remains pure and unaltered like an innocent toddler” is BS but none the less priceless! ;)

  144. Yea…John Moore. Wow that has been a big change, eh? I thought he played well the first two games.

  145. Whether you liked a specific trade or didn’t, agreed with a draft pick or didn’t, agreed with Torts getting canned or didn’t, like Veen-yo’s hiring or preferred Messier, I guess it’s nice for everyone know, but at this point, its water under the bridge.

    The reality is the organization is in a crisis state.

    Our coaching staff looks absolutely shell shocked on the bench.

    Our players from the goaltender out, look like they have know idea how to play the game.

  146. Sioux, I totally agree with you re: Hertl. He lit us up, we did nothing to stop him. The sad part is the only message this team could have sent him was a Tweet or a text.

  147. This team is *SOFT* serve.

    Papa: That’s really, really poignant and true. We really are in a crisis state. I have to digest all that.

  148. Pitbull – to answer your question, it isn’t that difficult as long as there is communication, but the Rangers issues are more with their forwards. Zone requires more communication, but it’s just for switching and letting someone know who to pick up. For man-to-man, its “I’m going here” so that guys know they have someone else to pick up and might not always be in the spot they want to be when the opposing players cycle.

    Only one team I played for tried man-to-man and it was in Pee-wees and we scratched that after 2 games. Was just easier to focus on zonal marking than chasing guys around the zone since it put us way out of position.

    Either way, the issue is more with the fact that the forwards are playing close to the point which leaves the slot wide open since our defenders are going behind the net (which to me, also makes no sense since you can’t score a goal from back there without a freak bounce). Torts had the forwards collapse so that the slot was always protected and let the D shoot because he knew his forwards would block the shots.

    AV wants his guys to chase into the corners and behind the net to get the puck back quickly so they can attack. The issue is that they don’t have the speed nor skill to hold onto the puck. If this was a team that could do that they’d be having so much more success, the Jagr/Gomez/Shanahan/Drury teams would actually be playing well in this system. But because that skill level isn’t there outside of a few players and even the ones that do don’t have it consistently, it’s looking like a total free-for-all.

    If guys like Zucc, Pouliot, Brassard, Nash, Stepan, and when Hags gets back him too, start moving their feet and giving the puck carrier more options, they’ll start having more success since they’ll have the puck more and won’t need to be chasing for 75% of the game. That’s wishful thinking right now, but at some point they’ll get it together. I just don’t think it’ll be something they can do every night.

  149. Semi-interestingly, this point right now might be the one time where having Sather as GM actually pays off. He’s a really, really good trader.

  150. Manny I’m in the same boat holding the other ore.

    But I was a fan of Cam Fowler and Derik Forbort!

    To be honest I wanted them to pick Forbort, but Cam was the better player that week when they won the Gold Medal.

    Cam & Derik where both on the top 10 list of Defensemen, and we pass on both of them. Both won the Gold Medal on the USA U18 team. Forbort already committed to the Sioux, and played there 3 years. Fowler went right to the Ducks. Now if you didn’t like those two on defense, Vladimir Tarasenko stood out like a HOUSE, he was a 18 “Minny Ovechkin”. Yes he lost the Gold medal game in the finals, buy he stood out as a stud.

    I’m not a scout, but every scout from every team, from every country had a guy there at the UP Center in Fargo. It was a GREAT Father Son weekend watching USA hockey.

    I’m not a fan of the McBust pick, just as I was not a fan of the Jessiman pick solely because I wanted the Rangers to pick Parise from the Sioux.

  151. Any Bonehead or Ranger fan who is not jealous of the Islander team has their head either in the sans or between their legs.

  152. Papa, about that “picket line”, do you think we could persuade Carp to join us?

    I’d fly up from Fla. for that scene, and seriously I spend time in NJ so if a significant number of fans decide to at least send a message would be privileged to join!

    The real issue with protest is the message and not how effective it would be.

    OWS had the message and although it was misdirected and lacked cohesiveness, it did alert many folks to actually examine the disparity of wealth/income distribution in the country and why.

    So educationally it was worth the effort!

    I have a feeling that Carp is not a Progressive! ;)

  153. Taking 1 player out isn’t going to change anything. They need a whole new roster to fix this up unless the skill guys start using their skills for 60 minutes, something they’ve shown signs of doing but not consistently.

    This is what you get when you bring in a ton of question marks onto the roster. If you bring one or two in and surround them with a good base, you get decent results (see Jussi Jokinen). When you bring in a whole team of them where they’ve been questioned and/or bounced around to multiple teams, you get your 2013-14 New York Rangers.

  154. so Torts sent one of his guys to get Hertl. hopefully Hertl knows now that if you mess with the Rangers, Vancouver is going to get you.

  155. That said I will wait for McBust to get off the school bus, and step into his MONSTER TRUCK!

    When he’s ready.

    Fact is he will always be behind the others that went after him. That bothers me.

  156. For the last year, DelZotto’s been a festering wound that has turned gangrene.

    Shame on the Ranger organization / decision makers for not cashing in this asset while it still had value.

    Can we get a 3rd rounder for him? At $3M a year, I doubt it. We could probably acquire another C or D level prospect, but that shelf is quite crowded already.

  157. Papa no kidding the bottom dwellers of the pay cap, out drafting the New York Rangers.

    AND they have a power play that can score!!!

    But I doubt the Ranger fan base would allow the team to tank for 3 years to get the #1 picks to acquire that talent.

  158. _Fact is he will always be behind the others that went after him. That bothers me._

    But if he pans out, that means he’s cheaper for longer.

  159. Jonny D, excellent comments and analysis.

    It has been commented on here and elsewhere for years about the constant shuffling of players every season of Sather’s tenure.

    The primary reason I believe is as a balm to the fans ,who continue to believe that this organization is just a tweak or two from a championship.

    73@1 and 13@0 are the only numbers that count and is there any doubt that this organization rots from the two headed fish?

  160. _But I doubt the Ranger fan base would allow the team to tank for 3 years to get the #1 picks to acquire that talent._

    But just think how much fun that team would be for the few holdovers and all the new fans. And Susan Sarandon.

  161. Johnny D, thanks, good read. And I agree, that doesn’t sound like something the current roster is going to be successful at every night…

  162. Respectfully Sioux, I strongly disagree.

    When has the Ranger fan base ever had a say in how the team performs?

  163. The big issue, I see, in the defensive zone is that the defenders are floating to the middle or diving behind the line. I understand spreading out and playing at the dots, because you can turn defense into offense so easily from that position, but they are usually on top of each other standing in the center of the zone.

    I personally hate the idea of man-to-man defense because it’s incredibly complicated despite sounding simple. They have to go back to zone defense and learn to quickly turn that into offense. The team needs a transition into a new system rather than a useless year where they get KILLED because they are trying to go 180 degrees in a two week pre season.

  164. LOL Mr. This isn’t baseball. But then the deep pocket of the Yankee’s can’t win this year either, or the GIANTS.

    I guess there’s always the Islanders ……… LOL.

    I cant’ believe I just typed that.

  165. PaPa I was coming from “us” as the fan base. Could we as boneheads be alright with 3 very bad YEARS?

    When we are railing after 2 bad games.

    That was the point of view I was “typing” from.

  166. “Semi-interestingly, this point right now might be the one time where having Sather as GM actually pays off. He’s a really, really good trader.”

    Except for the Nash and Brassard trades???

  167. Pittsburgh hand to tank 2 years to get Beevis & Butthead.

    Islander had to tank to get Taverus.

    The Oiler’s tanked 3 years in a row, and they are still are not there…..but there coming along like a freight train.

  168. It’s also a kid year for the Sioux. 9 Freshman with HUGE upside. Next year could be a banner year!

  169. Sioux,
    if the Rangers were to go into obvious rebuild mode (mistake in my opinion), fans would live with it. fans would get what they were doing.

  170. Like I said before if we still look this bad after 20 games. Dump the old and bring up the New Horses.

    AV will need time to draft his type of players.

  171. Mister D…. Didn’t they try and bottom out when they moved Leetch? The GM has to go once and for all. Only question would be who is available to take over this ship?? Remember when they tried getting Scotty Bowman when Neil Smith was here, Bowman said no thanks.

  172. The fact that Sather is ‘unavailable’ to the media during this crisis is predictable but cowardly non the less.

    *SATHER IS AN EFFING THIEF*

    He, along with Jam Master Jimmy Dolan, have stolen our beloved team from us.

  173. _Except for the Nash and Brassard trades???_

    I don’t see either of those as bad trades. They aren’t Gomez wins, but I don’t think either is bad (and there are really, really bad trades in hockey far more than any other sport).

  174. On so many plays you see two or three Rangers bunched on one end and it’s like “wow, I really hope someone doesn’t come rushing down the mid… oops.”

  175. _Didn’t they try and bottom out when they moved Leetch? The GM has to go once and for all. Only question would be who is available to take over this ship?? Remember when they tried getting Scotty Bowman when Neil Smith was here, Bowman said no thanks._

    Yeah, man, I’m not arguing for keeping Sather, just saying the one thing I still trust him to do is make trades. If he’s fired tomorrow, I’m celebrating tomorrow. He had his ~3 year dead cat bounce and its done now.

  176. Easy does it fellas!

    An organization need not ‘tank’ to be successful over the short AND long term.

    Good management, scouting and player development are critical elements which improve the likelihood of continued success.

  177. I don’t know, Papa. Look at the three best teams in the league and two have cores built off top 3 picks. The third accumulated ex-Flyer forwards and paired them with a competent defense and goalie.

  178. Continuity of long term success is not, IMO an impossible task.

    Difficult? Certainly……..

    Unachievable? I don’t think so…….

  179. When are the Sharks and the Ducks coming to MSG this year? I smell a payback, big time! Pulp Fiction style!
    YOU HEAR ME TALKING, HILLBILLY BOY?

  180. However, with Sather and Dolan charting the course, based on record alone…..

    To quote the Carpenator……”Not happening.”

  181. Agreed, Papa, but you need either a great front office or high picks. Right now, with Sather ignoring everyone else … we need high picks.

  182. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Carp
    First of all I’m right there with you re the isles, Tavares and Martin the only two upgrades. A team full of 3rd/4th liners and bottom pair d men and a lesser goalie…

    Speaking of goalie, re #1 I brought up hank a couple days ago perhaps being a bit of a product of the system in front of him (like fatso in jersey for numerous seasons) and was lambasted by some for it.

    I was all for the Nash trade, giddy if you will. I miss AA and I didn’t mind capt Gatorade but his salary was too much IMHO

    I was also good with the gabby trade but for a different reason. I liked gabby and for a “offencive” player, thought he played a decent all around game.

    I think the gabby deal was made for two reasons…torts (to a lesser extent) and the upcoming lockout/cap reasons. If we all sit here and plan the next lockout like clockwork when the cba expires, is it possible that slats, while stupid, isn’t dumb?

    We had Richards, Nash, hank coming up for a big contract, gabby, and clowe (an element we desperately need on this team) due to be a free agent and needing a contract.

    Let’s say slats like the rest of us knew the lockout and lower cap was coming. He’s not trading Nash who he just traded for. No one is taking b rich and his contract. Hank wasn’t even on the table and clowe was still dressed in his rangers sweater from his all night interviews in his stall.

    Gabby was the only option and like the return or not, he did get 3 NHL players back in the deal.

    At the time of the deal it is also important to remember torts was the coach and gabby wasn’t too enamoured with him, so the chances of him walking and losing him for nothing were better than good.

  183. The thing about the Gaborik trade is that we were going to lose him soon anyways. At least we got three legitimate pieces in an attempt to reconstruct the team we let get away.

  184. hi all here for the obligatory the sky is falling comment…

    i think the most troubling is how calm av seems to be about everything going on. granted, they are going through a worst case scenario here but it doesn’t seem like anyone has any desperation whatsoever and it’d be nice if the guy behind the bench at least act like he had a pulse.

  185. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I was neutral on the torts firing, I thought he should get one more year, but I’m not upset about getting AV.

    Fowler…lmfao!!!

    Not buying out Richards was just stupid IMHO!

  186. The Nash trade and Brassard trade look great when you look at those individual moves. Well the Nash trade at least, the Brassard trade looks pretty good but it’s hard to argue that trading away a 40 goal scorer is ever a good idea.

    So even though I hated it, we won the Nash trade when you look at just that trade. When you look at the grand scheme of things and what it meant (lack of cap space, forcing the scoring to come from fewer players, etc.), then you can say it wasn’t good for the team. Doesn’t mean it was a bad trade, just not good for what they had going on which is what I was worried about when it happened.

  187. Manny – it is true. I guess they are legitimate in the sense that they were #1 picks and have talent, but they had huge question marks on them. The hope is that they flourish here since they have something to prove.

    But like I said, I believe that only works when it’s one piece and hes surrounded by non-question marks. Not when you bring in a bunch of them and put them together. You need some stability and Callahan can’t be the only guy that’s there to do that.

  188. The problems are not the trades. The problem is the guys they let walk away. John Mitchell is an above average 4th line Center. The Prust, we all know where I stand on the necessity of that element. They just let these guys walk away like they were spare parts. Which it turns out they are not. It’s even waiving Dale Weise when he could have been traded to Vancouver for another player or a pick!

  189. Also, let’s see if Gaborik makes it through this entire season without tearing his hip, shoulder, groin or abdomen again.

  190. I keep reading here about the “great trades” made by Sather, please enumerate.

    Keep in mind that the Gomez dump was a fluke in that the key piece to the trade was Higgins.

    McDonagh was a throw in mainly because the Habs were not impressed with his performance and wanted him to be more physical as his size might indicate.

    What other great trades has Sather made and while we’re at it what great players has he drafted or free agents signed.

    Nothing this hasbeen has done has in any way improved this organization while wasting millions in an effort to be Steinbrenner!

    Please no 7th. round expertise here!

  191. Also, remember how bad the Capitals were under Oates? They were doing the opposite transition that we are currently doing. In that, they were transitioning to a more responsible system that fit their squad. While I’m not sure this every man for himself all out attack safe is death system fits our roster, it’s going to take time for things to click.

  192. John Mitchell and Brandon Prust are guys who can let walk away because they are a dime a dozen. As I’ve said here many times before though, they were extremely important to the Rangers in the fact that they helped shape the identity. Sure Gaborik, Richards, and Callahan were the faces of the team along with Lundqvist and Staal, but the heart of the team was in the Prust-Boyle-Feds line and Mitchell along with Dubinsky and Anisimov.

    Skill wise, they all can be replaced easily. The loyalty and emotion that they played with you can’t easily replace and that’s been proven over the last 15 months.

  193. You can’t teach HEART.

    Now look at Dubi playing on the top line with Gabby.

    That team is also coming like a freight train with talent.

  194. Jonny @ 12:52.

    I agree.

    Unfortunately they were replaced by marginal prospects who don’t score and Journeymen players who fit the salary structure more so than team needs.

    The gaps created through the departures of key role players were not adequately filled.

  195. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Higgins and Kotalik for Jokinen and Prust
    Messier for a 4th (Callahan)
    Chris Simon and a 7th for Betts, McLennan and Moore
    Jason Ward, minor leaguers, and a 3rd for Avery
    Boyle for a 3rd
    Anson Carter for Jagr

  196. 3C they will have to play the youth at some time, but not after 2 bad losses.

    Never know maybe we steal a win from the Blues, like we did against the Kings.

    We are only 2 games below .500 :)

    And we could easily be 4-5 when this trip is all said and done, 8 points. I’ll take it if its on the table right now!

  197. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    And you can’t discount the Gomez trade. That would be like them trading Richards now and getting good players back.

  198. Johnny D the Rangers may have won the “trade” when you look at the talent swap.

    But when you look at in NOW Columbus has a better team!

    So who really WON long term?

  199. It was Anson Carter and 1/2 of Jagr’s Salary for a full Jaromir Jagr!

    Manny – love coming by these parts to chat with Rangers fans. Sometimes we disagree, but it’s all good talk. Also Carp is probably one of my favorite reporters that follows the team. Always has a great opinion, even if I disagree with him, and always willing to talk about it with everyone.

  200. Sioux – that’s my point. I was a fan of neither trade because I thought this would happen. There is a reason Columbus was a cellar dweller for years and the Rangers were a playoff team.

    Although I’m the same guy that argued with people here about Marcel Hossa needing to stay on the 1st line after he filled in for Straka and was a PPG player for a month. They let him stay there for a bit and I don’t think he had another point all season.

    In the words of the great Vincent Gambini, “win some, lose some”

  201. “Skill wise, they all can be replaced easily. The loyalty and emotion that they played with you can’t easily replace and that’s been proven over the last 15 months.”

    Well said. It’s a TEAM sport, win as a TEAM.

    For the last year and a half we have just been a bunch of guys in the same colored sweaters.

  202. I have both Gabby & Nash on the Fighting Sioux team. It will be interesting to see how both pan out for me. Something tells me, Gabby is going to win at the end of he year.

  203. Sioux – re: your 10:50, second sentence. I have a friend who is a divorce attorney who belongs to two ‘prestigious’ golf clubs in Westchester and members alone have kept him busy year-round for thirty years. Just tee it up and discuss the split up. :)

  204. We still have to wait till this road trip is DONE, and get some home game to even it out.

    But why does it feel that we are bleeding from the stumps, and quick fix feels like we put our belts around it :(

    Or is that just me?

  205. Too bad “MOM” didn’t.

    But I WON the trade :) Hahahahaha

    No way Sather could beat my swap. Not even the McDonagh for no Gomez trade.

  206. That looks bad, but my life had to go through some really tuff years, almost as long as Edmonton.

    Now it’s much better.

  207. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Sioux
    Exactly, you can’t teach heart.

    To take it even further, speed doesn’t mean anything if u don’t have hockey sense or know what to do when you get there.

    You can’t teach meanness or that nasty element

    Will over skill!!

    You can however teach a player to puck handle better, to skate faster,and to shoot more accurately.

    You can’t teach size.

  208. Jeff in South Dakota on

    And those Maple Leaves — they are the worst leaves in the world! Die Maple Leaves, Die!!

  209. ‘Love, love me do
    You know I love you
    I’ll always be true
    So pleeeeeease, love me do.
    Whoa, love me do.’

  210. “Moulson is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, without Tavares. Nothing”

    I thought the same of PAP but then he left and had his best year offensively with the Avs.

    Three straight 30+ goal seasons is impressive. I think he can do it without Tavares. Though if he signed with another team, then he’d be playing with that teams top player, Crosby, Stamkos, OvechCANT, etc. So it would be the same argument.

  211. finally completyed my fantasty Legion of Doom lime
    Getzlaf – Simmonds – Lou Cheech
    ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE

  212. Actually, that’s what the banner should read above the door to the Rangers’ home lockerroom

  213. Shoot the puck Barry on

    I’m not ready to throw in the towel– too early, but we do have some holes, most definitely.

    I also don’t see the LA game as the outlier– the Rangers were fun to watch, aggressive, D taking chances (positively) and running around with a purpose. Now we need Nash back and sprinkle Hags back in and then flip the switch. In the meantime, hold on for the rest of this trip and hope we can win maybe 4 games (at best).

    I didn’t mind either trade, to be honest, even though I was a Dubi fan. And yes, Gaborik would look good in this system, but I think long-term the trade works in our favor.

    Finally, with regard to Hank, he needs to get adjusted to the system just like the players do. He’s had too long of a history of success to say he’s lost it.

    I agree with what folks said above– let’s see where we are after 20 games with this team. It’s a long season, whereas last year it wasn’t.

  214. ‘Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,
    This is my own, my native ice!
    Whose heart hath never within him burned,
    As home his skating he hath turned,
    From wandering in those foreign rinks?’

    ‘Tonight I’ll lace them up again
    I’ll play the game and pretend –
    But all my shots come back to me
    In shades of mediocrity
    Like emptiness, no harmony
    I need someone to comfort me –

    Homeward bound
    I wish I was
    Homeward bound
    Home, where my thought’s escaping
    Home, where the music’s playing –
    Home, where the fans lie waiting
    Silently for me.’

  215. Watching enforcers Asham and Dorsett go against those giant redwoods was quite disheartening.

    Props to the 2 boys for trying.

  216. there has been movement by the rangers

    the bowel movement they have been splatting all over the West Coast

  217. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    There’s a report out that Adrian Peterson’s 2 year old son was severely beaten by his mother’s boyfriend and is unlikely to survive. :(

    I just don’t get people.

  218. Asham is quite lucky.

    if the Maroon Monster had connected with Asham’s jaw with one of those Smokin Joe like haymakers whilst Asham’s head was pressed against the glass, Asham would have been floating on Queer Street visiting Nash this morn.

  219. The Dorsett fight was such a mismatch it was almost comical.

    David did not slay Goliath last night.

  220. Hagerstown MD. Rangers fan on

    234 regulation periods left? Really? You are counting already? I guess covering the Rangers at the moment is not very exciting given their fine performance thus far. Maybe Carp you need a vacation already.
    As far as Lundquist is concerned he does not seem very excited to be a Ranger these days. I have a bad feeling they are going to lose him come July 1st. They may need to consider sending him elsewhere for a hefty package at the trade deadline. Of course I hope none of this happens.
    The simple fact is however this NYR team is not very good Hank knows it and is frustrated up to his eyeballs. At least that’s the way I see it.
    How about that paragon of style Ron Duguay? He’s quite the clothes horse no?

  221. Wicky you can’t blame me.

    I’m not drinking the Vigneault Pinot.

    (Must give Manny’s friend credit for that one)

  222. I’m a bit upset that nobody picked up on my 97-98 Rangers team reference a few hours ago. Then again I wouldn’t expect most to remember most of those names since I think every Rangers fan has blocked that horrible season/team out of their heads.

  223. Wicky they moved THE FAST and not so Furious up, and sent Nash Potatoes home.

    What will they do next? Sign Gaborik back next year? Trade for Torts? Release THE KREIDER?

    Something tells me its MILLERtime, and I’m not sure we can drink enough of it till the draft in June.

  224. Stranger Nation on

    Before everyone goes completely bonkers for BJs, let’s look at who they played…The Sabres who absolutely stink and the Isles who are a mediocre team. They lost to Calgary at home who stinks but being from out West, let’s say they are considered just a strong stench.
    John Mitchell..really…John MItchell; please

  225. Gravy I just heard that from a guy at work. Telling me he doesn’t have Peterson this week.

    WOW! is all I can say.

    How does that happen to one of the “Good Guys” in the sport?

  226. Duguay after game said to Pee-do: ‘the only good player on the team is Nash.’

    I suspect he didn’t mean for it to come out that way or maybe he was so stoned that he didn’t realize what he was saying.

    Silver Lining: He may not be on the broadcast much longer if it gets back to Sather.

  227. Dolan’s got a major clamp on his basketball talking heads. Any reason to think he doesn’t on hockey? When Torts denigratingly said “I’ve got my owner up here talking about a Stanley Cup,” had a feeling he was one step away from oblivion.

  228. We’d better come up with more to discuss than Johnson, poop and Jeffrey Dahmer or it is going to be a very long season.

    Any ideas?

  229. Hagerstown MD. Rangers fan on

    It’s official the NYR have swapped places with Columbus. I liked it a lot better when they swapped places with Edmonton in 94.

  230. Stranger Nation on

    If Du-gay was stoned all the time it would explain so much about his behavior. Alas, he is just a dum-arse with nice hair, horrible fashion sense and a hot wife.

  231. Breaking news : Sather’s wife cancels Ranger team 1 day stop-over in Banffff on way to St. Louis.

  232. Stranger Nation on

    Love that Torts had to stick up for the Rangers by teaching Hertl the turtle a little thing about ‘the code’

  233. Rob in Beantown on

    Carp, as somebody who knows about this stuff, do you think it was appropriate to report that Joe Thornton quote? I’m glad it was reported cause it’s hilarious, but it seems like it may have been a grey area of on-the-record vs off-the-record

  234. Stranger – Flames haven’t lost in regulation yet and I think the Isles are better than you give them credit for, but it is true that we’ll have to wait and see how the Jackets do against proven teams. They play Boston and Detroit next and get Toronto and Anaheim next week, so we’ll see where they stand after playing those teams.

  235. Is Jumbo Joe getting 6 games like Avery did? Or because it wasn’t directed at a player he’s not getting anything (which he shouldn’t because it’s one of the funniest quotes I’ve heard in awhile).

  236. Although it would be funny to see him attempt to actually achieve his dream with all the shorts, leggins and padding involved.

    But yea. It’s pretty hysterical.

  237. Rob in Beantown on

    I thought about that Manny. It’d probably be way harder than it sounds (that’s what she said!)

  238. Steve Zipay ?@stevezipay 11m
    #NYR GM Glen Sather on growing pains : “I expected some but I didn’t think it would be this bad.” Saw some improvement after 1st period

    Idiot.

  239. I’ve been around a long time and I don’t remember ever feeling this bad after the first 4 games of a season. Maybe I blocked it out.

    Maybe it’s worse because of the dismal pre-season, the hiring of Veen-Yo over Messier and the non-buyout of Richards.

    This is the pits.

  240. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Someone needs to let Thornton score 4 to see the result or the calling out if he does not “whip it out”.

  241. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Anyone remember when lindros was with the rangers and broke thortons face in a fight when he was still with the bruins?

  242. Funny Stuff.

    Say it isn’t so Joe.

    But I also read, he stuck up for Hertl. When a reporter asked if Hertl was show boating with the goal between his legs.

    Joe yells: “HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED THE GAME?”

  243. How many Rangers had to whip it out in Banff when they couldn’t get it past the ladies tee box?

  244. You can’t teach speed. You can teach meanness. You don’t need size to impose your will physically on an opponent. You need skill to score goals. Will doesn’t win hockey games. Skill wins hockey gamesAdd Your Comment

  245. Papa you’ve been drinking to much Vigneault Pinot!!!!

    Step away from the Bottle.

    Walk across the street and have a glass of MILK.

  246. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    NJaD @NJaD4
    @wyshynski BREAKING: The Rangers have fired Alain Vigneault, hired Peter Laviolette, fired Laviolette, & traded the entire team to Columbus
    Retweeted by Greg Wyshynski

    Lol

  247. Question of the Day!

    If THE KREIDER has all the skills you would put in a hockey player. Size, Speed, Shot, can jump out of a pool without using his hands.

    What’s missing……

  248. Feed him some of Pimps dog-breakfast, and a pinch of Nasty, and a heart of a Fighting Sioux Warrior.

    I think we would be good to go!!!

  249. If Messier were leading this team, headlines would read that he has no clue what he’s doing.

  250. Good Point Coos!

    But he’s not.

    Meanwhile Torts is sending Sather a Thank You card with a case of Pinot, and some Vigneault Cigars.

  251. Rob in Beantown on

    _If Messier were leading this team, headlines would read that he has no clue what he’s doing._

    Wow, yup. Just imagine

  252. The Rangers have been a below average – average team for the majority of 20 years because their management is as dumb as their fans. You keep adding experience, grit, meanness, size and toughness, while other teams and their talent win titlesAdd Your Comment

  253. Yes, nobody in the history of sport has ever learned through coaching to be more physical and mean. That is intended to be sarcasticAdd Your Comment

  254. The problem with this team is that there ARE too many problems. Let’s list them:

    1) They’re small

    2) They’re slow

    3) They’re lack skill

    4) They lack grit

    5) They’re adjusting to a system that is a complete 180 from the one they had been playing under Torts. AND… in the preseason they hardly played together. Why the hell were they trying out so many players? They knew these people weren’t making the team. So, in essence this IS the Rangers’ preseason. Every other team is trying to hit their stride while the Rangers are still trying to figure out what the 2013/14 campaign is supposed to look like.

    A lot of what Micheletti has been saying is true. They’ve gone from a zone defense to a 1-on-1 style. They’re all completely confused. Then you throw in the fact that AV is encouraging the defense to join the offense? Everyone is all over the place. No one knows what they’re supposed to be doing, where they’re supposed to be, etc. It’s a mess and it’s obvious.

    I wasn’t a huge Tortorella fan but you can see why this guy had the Rangers play the way they did (defense, shot blocking, getting the puck deep, etc.). Without that strategy, you get this mess. And if you remember, Torts was coming from Tampa Bay where he preached OFFENSE. He came to the Rangers, saw they sucked, and decided that defense was the only way this team was going to win. Not so dumb. I didn’t care for his tactics but he did know how to get the most out of this bunch. I give him credit for that at the very least.

    If this continues, don’t expect Lundqvist to be so eager to sign a new contract with the Rangers. No goalie wants to play in front of a swiss cheese defense.

    If this continues, don’t expect AV to last very long.

    If this continues, expect trades. Major ones.

  255. Stranger Nation on

    Jonny – Flames are 4-0 against Leastern Conf and 0-0-1 against West (Nucks).
    Flames have a 25% chance of making playoffs accd’g to Vegas
    Have not made POs in 4 yrs; nor won a PO round in 10 years.
    But ya never know….

  256. When Richards is on the ice with the first line and the opposition is breaking out from their own end, we are effectively playing penalty kill except we’re not allowed to ice the puck. Just one problem, but a large one.

  257. Rob, most outlets wouldn’t allow that word to be printed. Also, Thornton — big and dumb as they come — should have said “off the record” but obviously is not smart or savvy enough even after all these years.

    Yeah, it’s funny in a Beavis kind of way. No, it’s not funny if he understood that he was talking to reporters.

  258. Rob in Beantown on

    New York Rangers @NYRangers
    Alain Vigneault says that @martybiron43 will make his first start of season in goal for #NYR tomorrow in St Louis

  259. Hagerstown, in the old Muckler days John Dellapina, Tom Gulitti and I would start counting the periods on opening night … and at the end of each period we’d update it with a simple: “233.”

  260. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    You cannot teach an adult to be mean and tough. It’s either in their DNA, or it’s not. Fright or flight.

  261. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    _their management is as dumb as their fans_

    This should score you a lot of points.

    Add Your Comment

  262. oh great biron. the misery will only continue.

    carp

    your on 3 wins or more u win 2 wins or less i win.

    5 games to go they need 2 wins for u to win

  263. Stranger – I think the Flames suck, Feaster is an idiot and running the show there. But the facts show they haven’t lost in regulation yet (mind you it’s been 4 games).

    Carp – It was really bad here after that trip. They lost the first 2 in OT, then lost to Edmonton and then to come home and lose to Toronto on Opening night and Ottawa right after. Everyone was jumping off that ship quicker than the Costa Concordia. Good times.

  264. Fight or flight pertains to survival. You are wrong, a player can be taught nearly anything by coaching except speed and height. Hypothetically taking your fight or flight contention to be correct, do you consider these age 18-21 kids to be adults too?Add Your Comment

  265. Gravy – it’s partially true. Like I said, they made the moves the fans wanted. Only difference is they don’t seem to be as passionate as the fans.

    And with Biron starting, over under on St. Louis goals: 5.5

    I’m surprisingly going to take the under. BIRON IS THE SAVIOR! WELLMAN IS THE ANSWER!!!

  266. Can’t teach Heart either.

    If so we would have Cally’s in every player on the team.

    My kid is a little guy, with a Cally heart. Somewhat of a Zucc, playing/trying out on a team of Chara’s.

    I almost wonder if I want him to make the team. Is that wrong of me????

  267. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Can you provide recent examples of players who were not mean and learned to be? Do you think Kreider will learn to be mean? You can learn to use your size and check/forecheck more effectively, but you cannot learn to be mean.

  268. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Jonny, I find it hard to believe that Sather does anything that he doesn’t want to do. He certainly doesn’t do it for the fans.

  269. But if I gave you a backround. He’s 5’6. 145 lbs. Blocks shots that have broke his ribs, been “Helicoptered” so many times, and was head shot last year to where it cost him the rest of the season, with a concussion. Which kind of effected his grades for a couple of weeks.

    What do you do, from a Father point of view? Coach loves him.

    “The puck looks like an oreo, and this kid plays like he hasn’t ate for days!

  270. Might have added that the old coach had the GMs ear — the only coach to do so in his 13 years here — and convinced him to try to keep the young core and to have rookies on the team every year …

    and then, at the end of the plan, hire a coach who doesn’t believe in young rookies and whose system may not fit the personnel whatsoever.

  271. One more thought, unrelated … is it possible that Boyle is falling off the WBM and being replaced by Girardi and Lundqvist and others?

  272. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Edler also got three games. I didn’t see the hit on Nash, but was it the same/worse?

  273. I am not qualified to provide individual examples from the NHL. Kreider can learn to be mean if he’s taught by his coaches. I am a long-time fan of the C’s in basketball. Prior to his arrival from Minnesota, KG was as soft as baby food. He became the fiercest, meanest competitor in the NBA and one of the greatest players in historyAdd Your Comment

  274. Has the Kaleta suspension been announced? He’s an in person hearing and he should be hitting Raffi Torres level of suspensions.

    Also, kind of funny that Torres hurt HIMSELF and is out. I wonder if he will file a lawsuit against himself too?

  275. Brian would totally complain about his ice time. He was dominant on face offs. Bickel-like.

    Kaleta should be out for the year. It’s the same infraction over and over and over

  276. On Sather trades. The best trade the dope ever made was sending Messier and Beukeboom to the Rangers for Nichols,Rice,DeBrusk and Shaw.

    Rangers won a Cup eventually and Sappy got a job that pays him 5mm. per year!

    Now that’s a win win!

  277. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    Manny, I think we’re corssing -the streams- signals. A poster complained about Boyle’s ice time last night, amid all the other terrible things that were happening. I was just letting Carp know that’s why he’ll always be on the WBM (c).

  278. Gravy, Just Gravy on

    I don’t know who those people are. But, basketball today is filled with guys who like to act tough, but are backing away while flailing their arms.

  279. You would think AV would have called a Peter Time out….. just incase…. you know….they had to pee….before the wheels feel off the Tonka Truck.

  280. This is ridiculous. When Torts was fired, I was one of the few Ranger fans online who protested mightily and warned of dire days ahead. Now, ever since the preseason and especially after the loss against the Sharks, there are suddenly all these other fans online who are saying “I miss Torts” and “Firing Torts was a mistake”.

    Where were all you guys back when Torts was stabbed in the back? Oh yeah, you were all flying high on the AV bandwagon.

    As it stands now, you had better hope that our Rangers don’t get a royal butt-spanking on Nov. 30th when the Canucks come to MSG.

    I told you so!

  281. Carp Great post Point 6 says it all. Torts may well find his adjustment to the Canucks far easier that AV to our Rangers. Simply stated you need far more talent to play to AV’s offensive style. I haven’t seen the Rangers play this badly in several years. And Henrik is certainly not doing anything to deserve his big payday.

  282. Gravy, remember in sports like Hockey and Football equipment offers a great deal of protection,i.e. visors, helmets pads etc.

    In Hoops the players wear shorts and sleeveless T shirts and most are the size of Chara.

    Hockey however is the only sport that literally depends on a few brawls to get the fans excited and views it as part of the game.

    This actually turns out to be a plus during Ranger games because they are infinitely boring! ;)

  283. Don’t cross the streams. It would be bad….Imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously.

  284. Dr. Egon Spengler: There’s something very important I forgot to tell you.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: What?

    Dr. Egon Spengler: Don’t cross the streams.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?

    Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: I’m fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, “bad”?

    Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

    Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.

    Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That’s bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon.

  285. Gravy – I’m not saying he listens to the fans. He doesn’t because he’s way too arrogant to anyway (he’s not smart enough). But he’s made moves the fans have wanted him to make, meaning it seems that he thinks like the fans and it hasn’t worked out.

    LGY – please tell me you did not say that about Garnett. Kevin Garnett was always a fierce competitor. Just because he showed up in Boston and became the second coming of Bill Russell to most C’s fans here doesn’t mean he wasn’t a fierce competitor before.

  286. You know who I would like on our team? BJ Crombeen. He’s a good fighter that can fight bigger than his size, isn’t afraid and is capable of actually playing.

  287. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSdXKDB_n0

    This was the one I was looking for.

    This is the type of player we should be drafting/trading for. Oshie played a lot of games like this for the Sioux.
    As he will for Team USA.

    The Blues are going to be a lot like the Rangers in ’12, only 2 years older with more skill. Very tough to play against. Not one of the games I had down for the Rangers to win.

  288. RE-POSTED FOR THOSE JOINING US LATE TODAY:

    From Peter:

    THE PLAN? (According to Glen E. Sather, Super Genius!):

    Whew, yes, I am glad someone finally asked. Here it is. The five year plan starting in the fall of 2011 which was only 2 short years ago.

    1. We signed Brad Richards. we have a great goaltender and a great nucleus of young talent. Now we have 2 first line players in Gaborik and Richards. Let’s see if we can build on last year’s first round playoff exit by making it to the next round.

    2. Wow, we had an exceptional year. This team was clearly much greater than the sum of its parts. They were the hardest team to play against all year, they made their own luck all year, the chemistry in the room was fantastic. This coach seems to have really gotten through to these guys.

    3. Amendment to the plan #1: Now all we need is a little more scoring. And it sounds like Rick Nash is available. I have no idea if he will fit into our system, but think of how cool it would be to have Rick Nash. He is a superstar with a capital S. Dubinsky had yet another down year, and Anisimov doesn’t quite fit with the coach’s vision. I’ll make that trade.

    4. Amendment to the plan #2 : But not only that. Some of you may, or might have, thought this chemistry thing was important. So if I am trading 2 guys who are pretty big in the room for Nash, I probably ought to make sure that I keep most of the rest of the room intact. That will help the coach and help the players and help Nash. But instead, I will let Prust, Mitchell, and Fedotenko walk away too. And then I’ll trade Rupp as well. So at a minimum, we’re going to turn over 2 forward lines from a team that went to the Conference Finals last year. Let’s see how it goes.

    5. Amendment to the plan #3: Wow, this year sure is different. Long lockout, guys out of shape, no proper camp for a coach whose entire system is based on having a great camp. Lots of new faces. Team still in the playoff picture but not competing nearly as much. Richards has dropped off the planet and with this new CBA, we are probably going to need to buy him out, especially after this performance. But even worse, it seems like Gaborik – whose skills still seem terrific – is not getting along with the coach. Never mind that he scored 40 goals + for this guy twice. I could just sit them down in a room and tell them we need them both and they’d better get along. But that would require me flying in from Banff. Either Gabby goes, or Torts goes. Since the coach certainly isn’t going anywhere, I’ll use this opportunity to trade one of the few elite players in the league to Columbus for three guys that I think will replace the depth we lost. Never mind that Derrick Brassard is a massive underachiever who has never shown anything even remotely close to the heart Brandon Dubinsky – an overacheiver – showed every night. Or that Derek Dorsett is definitely no Brandon Prust. Those guys were spare parts anyway. It’s still the same team as last year, Torts’ team.

    6. Amendment to the plan #4 (whew, with all these amendments I better get to work on the actual constitution itself, huh?): Wow, this team showed some real spark near the end of the year. And somehow managed to squeak by the Caps in round one, who coming into the playoffs were clearly the league’s hottest and most dangerous team. But that loss to the Bruins, that was just abominable. I hated the way we played. never mind that Boston went on to beat Pittsburgh even worse, or that they are the same exact team that won it all 2 years ago and we are not even close to the same team that went one round further 1 year ago. Torts is outta here. The players don’t like him either, they say he is too demanding and pushes too much. I know, I know, I said it was either him or Gabby. But hell, my new favorite trading partner is the Columbus Blue Jackets anyway. They were always horrible, but all they really needed was the right coach. So I’ll get rid of Torts, the media will love me for it. And I’ll hire the old Columbus coach, the one who couldn’t last a season on the crappiest team going, to run the power play. And voila!!

    See how a little planning in advance goes a long way? Wait, what was the plan again?

  289. Continue speaking about toughness and meanness. Those are nebulus terms. They can be interpreted in a number of ways. Does anyone here characterize Mario Lemieux as having been tough in his teens and early 20’s? The man beat cancer in his 30’s and went on to play a few more years of the most physically demanding sport following remission of his cancer. Is Sidney Crosby lacking the DNA for “toughness in hockey.” Perhaps that little DNA strand is missing and he has an extra DNA strand for hockey skill. The Rangers could use more players with a few extra hockey skill DNA strands.Add Your Comment

  290. Until then this Road Trip feels more like an episode of a Hockey Hangover.

    Coming soon to a Theatre near you?

    Put Down the Vigneault Pinot!!!

  291. remember, the first game back from a long road trip is usually a loss. Any game against Montreal is usually a loss. And, other than teams playing the Rangers, the home opener is usually a difficult game for the home team (well, even for LA).

  292. Carp,
    I suspect you were referring to me about Boyle being off the WBM. Boyle has played hard. the system is not the best for him, but to me he looks to be giving it his all. I also think he has become a leader on the team, and is taking the way the team is playing personal. he is a true Ranger, and when it gets tough, he shows it.

  293. One more thought, unrelated … is it possible that Boyle is falling off the WBM and being replaced by Girardi and Lundqvist and others?
    Stupid question…what is WBM?

  294. Many excellent posts and comments by Czar Carp, seemingly leading to the same conclusion.

    This is a dysfunctional organization led by men? who should not be in charge of anything except the men’s room, Messrs. Junior and Sather!

    However, to what extent should the scouting staff and Clark be incriminated, they do the recommending and surely Sather has not seen actual hockey players in action anytime recently ,including his 2013-4 roster.

    A nuclear option is in order!

    Hockey is a sport with small areas wherein 17-18,000 numbed fans fill it up, the real income producer being over air rights which the MSG boys have in spades.

    They are the only team in the biggest city in America with no real competition from other franchises. Interestingly the Devs and the Islanders have won 7 Cups between them while, well you know!

    Until the Islanders move to Brooklyn, when perhaps we will see a different, younger fan knowledgeable enough to understand that the Ranger franchise is going nowhere until Junior and Sather are both out of the picture.

    Sather alone is not the answer, just look at Junior’s latest attempts to somehow re-involve Ike Thomas into the hoops scene!

  295. Hagerstown MD. Rangers fan on

    Well then Carp if you are counting periods at this point and you are, there is clearly not much to be encouraged about as NYR fans. With the G Men 0-6 and counting and the Rangers looking clueless it is going to be a long winter I fear. I hope I’m wrong but it seems the NYR have forgotten that you win hockey games by scoring more goals than you opponent.

  296. Firing Tortorella, trading Gaborik, or drafting Hugh Jessiman…

    Which one set this organization back the most? What can we do to change things?

    The answer to all these questions…It doesn’t matter: Fire Sather now.

  297. No, bull dog … But i completely agree with that assessment. If he’s used properly — which is minimally, defensively — he’s a useful player. And he is something of a leader on the team, and he takes the losses very personally.

  298. Carp re: comparing the start of 11/12 to this season. IMO, not even close.

    they gave up 14 goals in there first 7 games in 11/12 and IMO, didn’t look nearly as lost as they do right now.

    I was not around on the blog, so it may have been bad here, but I personally don’t remember a worse start to a season than the current one, especially when you factor in the disappointment of last season, the off-season and the pre-season debacle and, understand that less than 18 months ago they were a mere two victories shy of the finals with a relatively young group of core of players to build around.

    Sorry, this is much worse for me.

    The only ray of hope (probably a mirage) potentially peeking through the darkness: this mess will be so catastrophic and indefensible that it will result in the long awaited demise of Sather.

  299. Nobody here bitched and moaned more than I did about the Gaborik trade last year — sheer stupidity I thought at the time and still do. Now we have three guys who must play to save Sather’s face, and they’re taking up three spots on the ice — two are proven, rock-solid mediocre players at this level, and Moore, well, he skates well and that’s all he does. Couldn’t crack the Columbus line-up, and now he’s a regular on a team that’s supposedly a step up. And they have Gaborik. Robbery. Vignault is screwed on arrival, but perhaps he’ll rise to the challenge. What a challenge, though.

  300. The hard fact: without the cover that Tort’s system provided, Sather will be exposed by the bottom line, the results.

    No more hiding, Sather. You are about to get exposed.

    Even a dope like little JImmy Fortunate Son won’t be able to turn a blind eye.

  301. not saying that was worse, Papa. But man the ledge was crowded and the “Avery” chant was ringing as well as the Fire Torts nonsense.

  302. Tortorella? Seriously? He was the number one problem last year, elevating himself to the most important member of the team, alienating his best player, helped to run him out of town and doing himself in as a result. Great job two years ago, but he forgot that it’s players who win games, not coaches. The best thing coaches can do is create an environment where players want to succeed and then get out of the way. Little of that last year. Will be interesting to see if Vancouver returns to being about the Sedins or starts to be about Tortorella.

  303. Looks like Tim Erixon got sent down to the AHL Springfield affiliate today. Full cage and all.

  304. Ash looked a bit like Cousin Itt during that fight last night. How do he see where to aim at?

  305. NHL top 10 goals showing a ton of goals being scored from just outside the crease in ‘Lumbus

  306. That’s for sure Papa. That kid was swinging for the fences. Ash did pretty well and to his credit was, as always, willing. Poor guy won’t last till the Olympic break.

  307. This team lately bears a striking resemblance to the Charlestown Chiefs before the arrival of the Hanson brothers.

  308. Man, how much do people wish that Kreider, Miller, Lindberg and McIlrath were all ready and able to take on roles on the club this year? Unfortunately, Kreider and Miller may need the whole season and I am questioning if Manshinter and McIlrath will ever be legit NHL’ers. Lindberg who knows. Same with Kristo. But this team could use some life toughness, and scoring.

  309. Little pugilists don’t have to fight big pugilists until the little pugilist has creamed the best player on the other team and the big pugilist comes after him. At least something gets accomplished.

  310. Walter’s hot dogs. And if Carp gets his winnings up to 32 dogs, he’ll have to meet Eric in Mamaroneck at least 5 times, (not necessarily a bad thing, but time consuming.)

  311. Ranger West,

    If the season continues to go down the crapper, they have no choice but to import a heavy weight or two or three.

    Can’t continue to get blown out of games and lose all the fights.

    They gotta give the faithful few ( a euphemism for us loser boneheads) something to feel good about.

  312. GMs love young, inexpensive kids who can play on the big team, giving them more Cap flexibility. Hard to understand why Torts would have to cajole Sather into it.

  313. Grabbs, I go under the FB name of ‘Busted, Disgusted, and Can’t Be Trusted.’ Don’t get many hits. :) Actually, I have a tee shirt that says on the front, “WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM,” and on the back “YOU DON’T KNOW ME.” :)

  314. well coos, i certainly do know u. youre that guy who did that thing that was really awesome and radical and u are like the wittiest bonehead of us all, besides eddie

  315. Probably not the greatest idea for AV to start juggling D pairs in the middle of a debacle road trip. Unless he wants to put McD on wing.

  316. Mess was great with the hidden elbow shock against the boards (oops!) and Ulfie with the inadvertent stick nut shot. Hard to teach those things.

  317. Rex Ryan: ‘We played fearless.’ Hate coaches who use adjectives when adverbs are called for.

  318. The ‘every one backs in till our tushies touch defense’ ain’t looking so bad right now.

  319. Henrik does look quite a bit smaller this year. How much equipment did he actually have? And I thought the new rules only took a couple inches off the toe pads. ?

  320. Rich: “Scott, could you elucidate on my function on the power play?”

    Scott: “I probably could elucidate on it, but first I have to put my finger down my throat.”

  321. Isles hanging with the Hawks after 2 periods.

    Hawks are arguably the best offensive team in the NHL.

    Isles need that clear out D, Hawks have people who actually stand in front of the net and difficult to move.

    That would have been Clowe’s job but alas another dumb Sather trade with zero return!

  322. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't Stepan the logo!!!"...says Greg L. on

    Was there a time when it got this bad?

    Is Av really not gonna take a time out when we need one?

    Is Messier taking a job in Edmonton after we didn’t wanna use him?

    Had Av lost his team game #4 into the season?

    Is Gaborik really filling up the net and our guys are all useless?

    Is Sather thinking up a trade?

    When the soonest you can fire a coach into the season?

    Does Callahan really deserve the Captaincy after doing zero about anything?

    Can we get some tough guys?

    Do we really have a chance at the number 1 draft pick this year?

    Will our record be DESTROYED by the home opener?

    Is the fixing of the MSG WORTH all this and still our ICE WILL STILL BE GARBAGE?

    Will anyone on this blog ever say anything positive again?

  323. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't Stepan the logo!!!"...says Greg L. on

    Am I talking to myself?

    Does anyone have any answers?

    Can we beat or may I say COMPETE against the Blues?

    All these questions can be answered just stay tuned to the Blog .

  324. “Hawks are arguably the best offensive team in the NHL.”

    Hawks might be the best offensive team, but NYR are the most offensive team.

  325. Even when we had Nash, we needed another big goal scorer. As of right now, we have zero. As eddie says, zero is close to 2, so we’re closing in on it.

  326. If we’re going to keep losing can we at least get our youngsters a ton of NHL experience? It’s working for the Oilers

  327. Kreider, Miller, and McIlrath with goals again tonight. McIlrath has also managed 19 minutes in penalties. it is a fight filled game.

  328. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Counting flowers on the wall
    That dont bother me at all
    Playing solitaire till dawn
    With a deck of 51
    Smoking cigarettes and watching
    Captain KANGAROO
    Don’t tell me, I’ve nothing to do

  329. Potvin cost us the ’79 Cup by cheap shotting Nilsson. Don’t let you children not remind their children.

  330. What now? Let me tell you what now. I’ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin’ bruthas who’ll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin’, hillbilly boy? I ain’t through with you by a damn sight. I’ma get medieval on your arse.

  331. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Rangers lose, to the blues, same ole news, Catholics and Jews, Tom Cruise….is pretty, I’m witty, Conway Twitty, squeeze a *****,

    Boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  332. AV pulls a D B Cooper and bails out of charter flight to St. Louie with a filled backpack of Tums and a copy of Les Miserables in French.

  333. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    You read the bible Brett? I got this passage memorized Ezekiel 17:25 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and tyranny of evil men

  334. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ohhhhh, the big kahuna burger…..my girlfriend is a vegetarian which pretty much make me a vegetarian…

  335. “If I don’t come back, tell mother I love her.”

    “Your mother’s dead, Llewelyn.”

    “Well then I’ll tell her myself.”

  336. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Because if the metric system?

    Look at the big brain on brad…that’s right ….the metric system

  337. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Two things: you leave town. You be gone. You stay gone. You lost your LA privileges. And you tell nobody about this. This is between you, me, and soon to be spending the rest if his short assen life in agonizing pain, rapist here…it’s no one else’s business…

  338. ZzZz NYR ZzZz©" Don't Stepan the logo!!!"...says Greg L. on

    Papa Bear , All is good . Losing sucks but getting slaughtered is BRUTAL !!!!

    Something is going to happen ..this won’t keep going on..next game will be very interesting. Watching these games hurt but we do see how our guys act when there chip are Stolen!!!

  339. I can find it in me to root for the Panthers.

    Also, fun argument in Twitter about whether The Kreider or JT Miller deserved the call up.

  340. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I will actually say that there are 3 islander players I would take, clutterbuck being the 3rd.

  341. I don’t care that autocorrect spelled his name wrong. That’s a freedom I am granted under his idealism.

  342. I LOVE that story. I think you showed it to me last season. That guy rules. What’s the overall cost?

  343. Rob in Beantown on

    I dunno. I think it works out to like $7 a game or something. Still way too much to justify.

  344. I would do it. We should all go in together. That’s like $100 each. Then we sell the parking pass and sweater on eBay. Panthers beat reporter is hot.

  345. I think people were buying tickets to panther games to get cheaper parking rates. It was cheaper to buy the ticket package than to park at the shopping complex, or something to that effect.

  346. Rob in Beantown on

    If it was Tampa Bay I’d do it. My fiancee’s sister goes to school there. She’s always talking about wanting to visit. It’s like the price of going to one game at MSG

  347. I also think Claude Giroux is the player the Phlyers thought he was when they paid him all their remaining money.

  348. I also think that Ovechkin totally has a chance to win the Selke in the next three years. If not him then Kane or Stamkos.

  349. Hank’s recent GAA is totally representative of his ability. The Rangers should NOT re-sign him. Cam Talbot is probably better.

  350. The good thing about Richards lack of grit is that he is unlikely to get injured playing his “style”.

  351. Rob in Beantown on

    It’s a good thing Hank’s replacement is already in the systemn. Next year begins the Talbot Era

  352. Rob in Beantown on

    Florida’s goaltending tandem are AARP members, which is perfect given their target demographic

  353. Stranger Nation on

    As Hank came out of net last night the remote was quickly grabbed and the ‘off’ button firmly pressed

  354. Marcel Dionne was a scoring machine before he played for us.

    When he arrived here, he was so good, they sent him to the Denver Rangers of the IHL to finish his career.

  355. Stranger Nation on

    ______________ was a great scorer before he came here

    Fill in the blank with your favorite HOFer who came to Broadway and caught the ‘green’ flu

  356. Watched some of the Notre Dame – Western Michigan game tonight. Ranger prospect Named Fogarty on the Irish. He looked like most Ranger prospects – invisible.

    He might score 40 for us soon.

  357. Imagine one night you walk into to a place and Hank and Johnny Mac’s band is playing? I bet they’re really good, better then Jimmy Dolan’s Bluesbreakers.

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