Rangers will be different in a lot of ways with Vigneault in charge

445

Here’s my story on Alain Vigneault from The Journal News and LoHud.com:

By Rick Carpiniello

NEW YORK — Alain Vigneault, on a makeshift stage at Radio City Music Hall for his introductory press conference Friday, looked at Rangers general manager GM Glen Sather and joked, that “It’s a lot easier to negotiate yourself a contract when you have two teams that are after you rather than just one.”

Vigneault is a divorced dad of two twenty-something daughters in the province of Quebec. For the last 10 years or so, he has seen them only a handful of times each year. So in turning down Dallas’ offer to coach the Stars, and in addition to taking a reported $10 million of James Dolan’s money for the next five years, that was another tipping point. Now he can coach an hour’s flight from his daughters and see them far more often.

If he has time. Vigneault, 52, has a huge project in front of him now. After failing to win it all with a far more talented team in Vancouver, he will be expected to win it all here.

“Winning the Stanley Cup remains our first and only goal,” Dolan said Friday.

The man Vigneault replaced — the sandpapery John Tortorella — was reportedly close to replacing Vigneault in Vancouver. The expectation, somehow, is that each will do a better job in his new place than his predecessor.

“Not a chance that I could pass (this) up,” Vigneault said. “I’m coming here to win.”

Then he used a term that probably gave the anti-Tortorella portion of the fan base some shivers, using Tortorella’s “the right way” cliché.

“To give you a simple answer,” Vigneault said about his style,. “I like my teams to play the right way, which is — if you’ve got room to make a play, make a play. If you’ve got space and time to carry the puck, carry the puck. If the other team’s got the gap on you or they’re playing you tight, sometimes you’ve got to make the high-percentage play and chip those pucks behind.

“I really believe in playing the right way offensively and defensively. I believe your top skill players have to be given a little more latitude.”

He noted that when he arrived in Vancouver seven seasons ago, that team didn’t have a lot of skill and played a more defensive system.

Vigneault is also a forward thinker, one who utilizes advances stats, for example, to get his offensive players more shifts that begin in the offensive zone, and vice versa for his defensive players. He has used a sleep expert and his computer ratings for energy levels to determine, for example, when his team should fly for road trips to maximize rest.

Vigneault dismissed himself from commenting on the potential Brad Richards buyout — which can be done only in a window starting 48 hours after the Cup finals end, until July 5. He spoke highly, of course, of Henrik Lundqvist (Sather spoke Friday with Lundqvist’s agent, Don Meehan, and they will meet in person next week as the goalie heads into his walk year).

Vigneault wants a larger staff, with probably three assistants, which could include Newell Brown, his long-time aide in Vancouver, and possibly Ulf Samuelsson, and maybe even Tortorella’s assistant, Mike Sullivan.

He wants to do it the right way, and he surely will do a lot of things off the ice better than Tortorella did them.

“I think we’re in that category of teams that’s really close to competing for that Stanley Cup,” he said.

“I’m going into this, and I think (the players) should be the same way, with an open mind. It’s a clean slate for everybody. Let’s decide what we want to write on that slate.”

About Author

445 Comments

  1. I don’t know what I expected from this press conference but in hindsight, it delivered all one can expect. Dolan said he wants to win the cup, Sather said it was his decision to Fire Tortorella, AV promised to deliver a cup……

    well, he said he would try, and he thinks we are close.

    He better start watching tapes.

  2. One thing I like about AV is he is a matchup demon and puts his players in the best positions to succeed. Nash will see lots of offensive zone time, Kreider will be given a chance to show his skills and guys like Boyle, Dorsett etc. will do the donkey work.

  3. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    I saw a replay of the press conference on MSG what an embrassing cluster &&^#$^ , no flow , no class. nothing like the Yankees ,Giants and even the Mets and Jets do it better.
    Dolan says a few words and away goes his fat A$$. slats harummphing. no wonder they lose

  4. True Fans Bleed RW&B on

    7.26: stupidity begins.

    Two hours idiot free is better than no hours I guess.

  5. Good morning, boneheads!

    Good article, Carp.
    I liked your article from last night too, even though some people misunderstood it. Or misinterpreted. I’ll give them a break. I think the reason they misinterpreted it because they haven’t been on the blog long enough to see what you’ve said about Sather before.

    On AV- this is the second time in a row when NY hired the best available coach out there.

  6. Just a brief take on one previous post- when people were debating on Hank’s value, his incoming contract and whether he should be traded. I’ll just say this: some of the comments indicate not only simple lack of hockey knowledge, but also complete ignorance when it comes to Salary Cap. Unless he has no desire to sign here, they *will*, and rightfully so, give him what he deserves. And the difference of $2.5-$3M between his current and future contracts will have minimal implication on salary Cap structure. In fact, in 3-4 years it will look like a bargain.

  7. A clean slate for everybody: coach, staff, fans. That’s the way to start. Nice Column Carp. This may work

  8. After reading the headline of the previous thread and LMAO, my comment would be why was it important to restate the obvious.

    “His” way is failure, what’s really to be discussed?

    Hockey’s own “Kafkaesque” state, the absurdity that two organizations fire their coaches for “failing” then immediately hire them to coach the other “failure’s” team?

    Curiouser and curiouser!

  9. King with no Ring on

    _In fact, in 3-4 years it will look like a bargain._

    In fact?

    In fact, he will be 35 years of age in four years.

    When an age 35 player occupies about 17% of the team’s salary cap (depending on future cap ceiling), in what universe is that a bargain?

  10. I know I shouldn’t be debating with a troll, whose only agenda is to debate for a sake of “debating”, but can you elaborate on 17% ?

  11. What I found most interesting was not who was in attendance, but those who were not in attendance. Sam Rosen introduces Garden bigwigs Hank Ratner and David Howard and Assistant GMs Jim Schoenfeld and Jeff Gorton.

    No Mark Messier (which is understandable) and no players (which speaks volumes about how The Torts situation played out – no matter what Sather said).

  12. Anthony, my understanding is that Vigneault didn’t want the players present because he knew that would immediately raise the questions: Why is this guy here but this guy isn’t? Plus they would have to answer questions about what happened with Tortorella? Much cleaner this way, and if it was Vigneault’s decision, pretty smart, I’d say.

    Good morning, Sally!

  13. LIQUID, There are a whole bunch of other, presumably better blogs listed right over there on the right. I’d be happy to recommend a few for you. Also some reading comprehension lessons.

    and you can say whatever you want about your perceptions of what the players felt about the coach (and I suggest you ask Girardi, Callahan, Staal, McDonagh and Stepan what they felt before you throw the whole roster into one basket), but they didn’t quit ever.

  14. Didn’t think so, troll. Before you totally embarrass yourself, I’ll tell you this- his current cap hit for next year is just over 10%. The salary cap will never go below $64.3M. If you project a 5% revenue growth ( very conservative number, btw), the salary cap will be $78.2M in 4 years, and if they continue to grow at the estimated 7%, the cap will be $84.2M in 4, and over $90M in 5 years. Do the math.

  15. King with no Ring on

    The salary cap is being raised to $64.3M next season. The salary cap cannot fall below $64.3M for the remainder of the CBA. It can increased based on projected NHL revenues for each upcoming season.

    As you stated, the difference of $3M raises Lundqvist’s cap hit from approximately $7M to approximately $10M.

    Depending on the future cap ceiling, Lundqvist’s cap hit will occupy $10M of $64.3M. That is approximately %16 of the salary cap at age 35, in the decline phase of his career.

    That difference of $2.5-3M would be able to acquire a top 6 forward that would help the team achieve what Lundqvist is so fond of stating in postgame press conferences that he is unable to do, score goals.

  16. King with no Ring on

    You are dreaming if you think the NHL owners are going to allow the salary cap to be raised above $80M, let alone $90M.

    For the sake of your unrealistic expectations of the future salary cap ceiling, if Lundqvist at age 35 occupies $10M of an $80M salary cap, that’s 12.5% of the salary cap.

    Do you want an age 35 player in the decline phase of his career occupying 12.5% of the salary cap?

    However, I am confident that if the salary cap ceiling reaches $90M, or even $80M, there will be another lockout.

  17. Cross Check Charlie on

    If you want the Rangers to open it up, you’ve got to have a good goalie because there will be odd man rushes coming the other way.

    So, you trade Lundqvist to get more offensive firepower and get weaker in goal. Doesn’t sound like a good strategy to me.

  18. I’m no King basher, but it is a legitimate question to ask whether a team is better off with a goalie occupying so much cap space. Hank is as good as it gets, but the team could be better served with a goalie 95% as good making half as much.

    I don’t think there is much doubt Hank should be and will be re- signed, but I also think a $9 million contract will make it harder to bring in enough skilled forwards to win the cup.

    Granted Hank is a Vezina finalist each year, the 20th best goalie in the league isn’t much worse than the third. There are only a handful of really weak goalies in the NHL.

  19. I’d like to see how many GMs line up if Sather wants to trade Hank. And how fast he is signed after to a 7 year near max deal.

  20. King with no Ring on

    A team doesn’t need the best goalie to reach the Finals or win the Stanley Cup. It’s been proven time and again.

  21. What high end talent have the Rangers been unable to acquire due to Lundqvist’s cap hit?

    I have to imagine they’ve been budgeting his cap hit in cap projections the past couple of seasons.

  22. it’s an absolutely fair question, Paul, if you’re not beating a drum in a one-man agenda parade.

    I had this discussion during the playoffs: For which players would you trade Lundqvist, 1 for 1. Some said there wasn’t a player for whom they’d trade him 1 for 1. I said I would, indeed, for a Crosby or a Tavares type, an in-prime Datsyuk. It would be more realistic to have to replace Lundqvist with, for example, a Miller or a Luongo, if you got one of those big guns in return.

    But you don’t trade him for picks, prospects or, for example, the “haul” they got from Columbus for Gaborik.

    He is and remains the best player on the team by an enormous margin and one of the best players in the whole league.

  23. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Yo yo yo, don’t you know, it’s time to go, heave and ho, balls we throw, rain and snow, broadway show, finger and toe, joltin Joe, coach Veen-yo

    Boyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  24. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Trade Hank for Sharp, Seabrook, and Brian Keith. Let Beer-on start. Veen-yo has had success with him in the past…

  25. I’ve checked those other links->, no thanks.

    It’s great here, the varied opinions and all.

    Thanks Carp

  26. King with no Ring on

    You don’t trade him 1 for 1. You don’t trade him for picks or prospects.

    You trade him for at least one star + draft picks + prospects + a replacement goalie.

    For example, Sharp + Seabrook + Crawford + draft picks + prospects.

    Give them Del Zotto in the deal to make it a little more attractive.

    Who wouldn’t jump at the chance to acquire Lundqvist and pay him $10M…

  27. Paul re your 10:13′

    if the Rangers were able to integrate *young talented*players* into their lineup who are not close to UFA status, they can reduce Henrik’s cap impact moving forward.

    The key to maintaining financial flexibility and signing Lindquist is to acquire young talent through the draft and trade market and ultimately deliver a hybrid team consisting of a cap friendly mix of both younger “up and coming” players and established veterans / superstars.

    Sign Hank (no brainier if he wants to stay), build a better team by acquiring young talent on the cheap through the amateur draft, amateur free agent market ( i.e. Krug with Boston, Dan Girardi etc.) and established talent through smart trades and the waiver wire.

    In addition, this year and next, there will probably be some established veterans available on the cheap via compliance buyouts.

    My doubt, based on his past performance, is whether or not Sather and team are capable of building a hybrid cup-contending team. They haven’t yet.

  28. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – here I is. Where is you? Yo papa bear, Ilb, dc, Matty, and my utha bruthas from anutha… Whisper words of wisdom, what it be?

  29. Jack Klompus on

    A coach trade, this is awesome. Cant wait to see how each team fairs. Torts and the Canadian press year round, should be fireworks.

  30. King with no Ring on

    Tortorella is going to have a more difficult time with Canadian reporters and fans. Canadians are not happy with top 8 finishes like Rangers fans.

  31. Really? Did you see the parades they threw for Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa all making the playoffs this year? Teddy Roosevelt even got coach of the year for getting that coveted seventh seed.

  32. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Since we are trading coaches can we trade Boyle and the mad bomber for lapierre and bieksa? LOL

  33. paul,
    That’s all I was trying to say in my post yesterday about lundqvist. I’m not ignorant or trying to be a troll but is it worth it to sign a goalie that will be in his thirties and the highest paid player on the team. It doesn’t appear to me like a winning formula for success to win the stanely cup.

  34. Welcome back E3 !!! The blog had a hole in it without you bud…plus it was hard to read with all the teardrops.
    But now we have VIN -YO
    Way to go
    we won’t be slow
    Ya never know
    Boyyyyyyy!!!

  35. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Dc – my brutha. Don’t you know, that veen-yo, will always go, the extra mile, always smile, liver makes bile, once in awhile, a boat on the nile, carpet or tile?

    Boyeeeeeeeeeee

  36. Interesting article, Carp. I could imagine that it was what you all felt being in that room. It was easier for us, fans, to support him for what he’s done for the team in 4 years because we haven’t had to deal with his interviews. That’s why it’s surprising that you supported him for that long.

  37. E3 !!!!

    Welcome back, your dreams were your ticket out.
    Welcome back to that same old place that you laughed about.
    Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
    But those dreams have remained and they’re turned around.

    Who’d have thought they’d lead ya (Who’d have thought they’d lead ya)
    Back here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

    Yeah we tease him a lot cause we’ve got him on the spot,
    Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, welcome back!

  38. Czechthemout!!! on

    Ex3

    Welcome back bro!

    iWicky

    I do that deal but substitute Bieksa ( old) for Alex Edler and I am in.

    Incidently, dont be shocked if we wind up trading Boyle to the Canucks because Torts probably wants his son near by. Also think we pass on Clowe and both Ritchie and Clowe joins Tortrs in Vancouver if we buy out BR.

  39. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Czech – papa : I bet torts doesn’t make it through one season in Van. The Sah-deens and Burrows will be benched for not blocking shots – and another mutiny will ensue..

  40. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hank for Seabrook, sharp, and Crawford is a great deal. And it’s on to Chicago and let’s win there.

  41. E3x!!!

    1. Got worried about you, brud. And,thanx to Carp for getting you out of the wine cellar. Your posts are often a cool breeze flowing through a (sometimes) oppressive heat wave.

    2. Carp, that 10:44 Lozo thing was first-rate. Funny and pertinent.

    3.

  42. Hang on, yesterday Crawford was better than Lundqvist because he’s a proven playoff “winner” and today you could get Sharp and Seabrook thrown in the same deal?

  43. eddie eddie eddie on

    This has been the best cup finals in a long long time. Game 5 should be a Burt Hootan-nanny

  44. eddie eddie eddie on

    kooz – i was away in my rubber room for two weeks..chilling with Holden Caulfield…….I was the pitcher in the rye…

  45. Carp, on your earlier article, I get the general gist, but you did say though that Sather is willing to live with the consequences of his actions.

    Which is true, but the only consequence to anything sather does is seemingly a further loss of credibility amongst his peers and the media. But I question if that reputation could really get much lower at this point after the last 20+ years as a gm in edm and new york. And as long as he is making millions from the dolans, can’t imagine he is too concerned about what other people think of him.

    And I for one remember these gems spouted by Sather:

    “If I had the Rangers payroll, I’d never lose a game”

    “But even if I had been in Atlanta and I had the budget that team may or may not have, I still would not have paid (goalie) Curtis Joseph $24 million for four years. I think you’re a lot better off getting a group of young guys together, teach them about the game and about life and bring them along. You’re much better off than trying to hit a home run with a bunch of 30-year-old free agents.”

    If only he actually followed his own advice there!

  46. If we give Hank $9-10m/yr, very likely means we lose one of, if not both, of cally and girardi. unless they will happily take less money so hank can get overpaid

  47. eddie, your return has perked up Papa Bear who has lately (often with good reason) had his fists curled. :) He’s now back to his old self, singing the occasional song and playing with a bit of poetry!

  48. Re-sign Richards to a longer contract. Or is it resign, Richards? Hire Avery as a motivational assistant. “Get in the fat man’s face, guys.”

  49. eddie eddie eddie on

    kooz – papa needs to begin storing up for the long winter ahead…..there is/was a great 7 part series on one of the Nature Channels called “North America” and its has shown quite a bit of papa’s ancestors…his Black, Brown, Grizzly, and Polar bruthas….

  50. ilb, I never had a personal problem with him because I knew him when he was a human being in 2000. But I didn’t care for the way he treated people — not just media, but mostly media. I don’t personally have any relationship with him at all, other than he didn’t treat me like crap the way he treated most of the other guys/ladies.

    and I am not sure I supported him, but my opinion was and remains that he’s a great coach and that 2011-12 was the best job by a coach that I have ever covered, and that starts with Fred Shero. Somebody wanted to bet the other day that he’d be out of hockey next season? I’d bet he will have a better record than Vigneault had last year, and will have this year.

  51. Anyone who advocates trading Lundqvist because of the big ‘haul’ we’ll get back doesn’t understand the nature of the NHL.

    Goaltenders do not bring back big talent, every hockey team only needs 1 starting goaltender but they need 4 centers, 8 wingers and 6 defensemen. Which position do you think is easier to adequately fill.

    Arguably the greatest goaltender in the history of the NHL, traded in his prime, brought back Thibault, Rucinsky, and Kovalenko and Montreal included Keane in the trade. Now there’s 3 names to make a team a contender.

    Historically, trades of starting goaltenders usually bring back nothing more than a second round pick and throw-ins at best. Trading Lundqvist would bring back more but not nearly enough acquired value to offset the loss.

  52. Hockey players are a breed apart. Coaches/Managers in no other sport have the luxury (like college coaches) of asking their players to adjust their game to the coach’s vision and the players, usually to a man, will do it energetically and to the best of their abilities.

  53. That’s what I meant by supporting, Carp. Saying how good a coach he was. Did anyone ask Sather what his estimated shelf life of the new coach was? :-)

  54. Did anyone say that Crawford is a proven playoff winner or is LW3H suffering from delusions?

  55. Torts up to Vancouver for third time. Can’t be another interview, must be contract discussion. Rumor floating that GM not happy, owner is calling the shots. Uh-oh.

  56. eddie eddie eddie on

    “strap me the **** in, these ******* roads are icier than a ****** glacier….drive the **** carefully, eh”

  57. I think the B’s win tonight with a couple soft goals. They go to Emery and he wins the 6th won then implodes in game 7 and they have 2 goalies in for the last game and it’s the mess they didn’t want. Only problem with this theory is the rest of the games are won on the road.

  58. E3!! My brutha! Welcome back.

    Totorella’s Canucks should be a blast to follow. He gets reunited with Higgins! I’m looking forward to reading the Canucks blogs and seeing the fanbase split into two camps. He will get more out of guys with skill and edge like Kessler, Burrows, and even young Kassian.

    LOL…I know I’ve read that Gaborik’s second choice to NY was Vancouver…He probably was looking to sign there after next season…Everything happens for a reason :)

  59. eddie eddie eddie on

    my brutha from anutha….werd up yo……

    ricardo, its 2am somewhere…

  60. eddie eddie eddie on

    nutin wrong with delusions….my voices often keep me company when alone…

  61. Claude Julien with baton, leading Boston Philharmonic:

    Why don’t we do it in the road?
    Why don’t we do it in the road?
    Why don’t we do it in the road?
    Why don’t we do it in the road?
    No one will be watching us
    Why don’t we do it in the road?

  62. eddie eddie eddie on

    this will be torts’ last team
    this will be torts’ last team
    maybe the last team, i don’t know…oh no

  63. I’m going to do that right now, coos. Ugh.

    e3, how many shots did Keenan get? Torts has quite a few lives left, I figure.

  64. Torts’ car seat spotted in Oslo. Zuccarello: “Hey, I thought he was finished with it”

  65. Carp and coos – maybe the only two left in Westchester/Fairfield who own their own lawnmowers and actually USE them.

  66. Carp, I do not need any help with reading comprehension. I need help with bloggers and reporters getting the truth. Heck, maybe you do or do not know the truth in this matter. So your piece is basically speculation. A good reporter always goes after the facts. So with that being said, you can join the rest of the MSG puppets who do not dare to ask the right questions to guys like Sather and Torts. Maybe that would have given you a kick in the sass right out of MSG or the training center. Who would dare jeopardize a “yes man” job in the best city in the world? Maybe a reporter with the balls the size of the bucket on top of the roof at KFC?

    I never said the Rangers team quit playing hockey. They didnt jump over the boards and act like “fugg it, i will pretend to skate, i am sick of playing”. I am saying that the Rangers players, in general, were defeated by the wrath of Torts and his system. Torts system turned this team into a pile of dust and did not play to the overall strength of the team. And this bleeds into team morale and usually lowers it.

    It’s like any competitive team sport, be it kids sports, high school level, , recreational, college level, beer league, professional or getting a bunch of buddies together on the playground………the most skilled team does NOT always win. If you have a group of players on a field, or sheet of ice in this matter, that believe in what they are doing is correct….if it is embedded in their heads, then the intensity, the focus and the level of success increases.

    In general, the NY Rangers did not have this in their heads for the most part of this past season.

    Sather, that rat fink, simply gave the press a line of shizzle saying that the decision was clearly his and he shoulders the blame.

    Carp, I tell ya what…..Maybe u should have an interview with that mama luc Sean Avery. Ask him for a sit down at his restaurant. I will bet you dollar for donuts you will get more truth out of that idiot Avery’s mouth than you got from Slats. ; )

  67. eddie eddie eddie on

    ricardo – my diity was more of a Stones tribute than a proclamation on torts…

    Pens in 6.

  68. Sather did not say or infer that he “shouldered the blame.” He said that he was assuming the responsibility and that he believed the decision was the correct one. How many times can you ask him the same question and expect a different answer?

  69. eddie eddie eddie on

    liquid – Avery was one of the greatest players to ever wear the ranger sweater….

    Bring back the Avery, free him from slavery, i say this belatedly, number 16, a beauty queen, in a scene, midsummer’s night dream, the rangers’ team, will be better off, dont scoff, at the trough, had enough?

    boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  70. liquid, I’m done with your idiotic argument.

    Now you’re saying they didn’t quit, after you said, “1) Team quit on Torts.”

    And, yeah, I’m a puppet and a Sather fan. That’s close.

  71. ps the overall strength of the team?

    so Taylor Pyatt and Brian Boyle should have been playing run & gun? BRich, too? Asham? Halpern? Haley? Powe? Dorsett? They had so much offense that they had to go get Zuccarello? And all those offensive defensemen?

    the lunacy of some fans never ends.

  72. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    E3 is baaaaaaack!!!

    Da man who makes it go!! Da man who gives his all!! Da one that is THE backbone!!!

    Welcome back, my friend!!

  73. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    I agree. We resign Avery for 7 years, $42M, clothing line included, we not only have instant core, but we have a business model, also.

    Can’t lose.

  74. Cross Check Charlie on

    “Hang on, yesterday Crawford was better than Lundqvist because he’s a proven playoff “winner” and today you could get Sharp and Seabrook thrown in the same deal?”

    Why not? You can do on your Xbox can’t you?

    Oh, you forgot, they were going to get draft picks too. And, probably a couple of neat equipment bags and some nice sticks.

  75. Yeah…..Sather, he assumed the responsibility. Of course he did. When you have a job with zero chance of being held accountable for your actions…..are you gonna try to disturb the rest of the team, especially the key component HENRIK LUNDQVIST who needs to be resigned otherwise this team would have ZERO chance of winning in the next 5 years if he is gone? The NYR team gave the indication that they were FINISHED and TIRED of Torts. Some players may have indicated this by body language, some may have been vocal about it to Sather, some may have dropped innuendos to the Press, some may have told their a-hole buddies who used to be on the team……Ultimately, Sather didnt fire Vince fuggin Lombardi or Toe Blake or Al Arbour or Scotty Bowman……He fired Torts….a guy who is no relevant in the current NHL in respect to playing style and systems…..or even media relations (now that social media spreads everything to the world in a couple of seconds).

  76. This is May 16th in the Daily News from Sean:

    “(Tortorella) actually probably was one of the best things that ever happened to me. A month after I was done playing, I made the transition to what is a dream job for most people,” says Avery. “Part of it was the relationship that I had with him as a coach. It definitely helped me make the transition and have a successful career.”

    Go figure.

  77. eddie eddie eddie on

    matty – my brutha, from anutha, what it be? oh say can you see, set my people free, golly gee, gomer’s pyle, always in style, in the file, a number two, got the flu, false or true, gone-oh lou…..

    boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  78. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    I, for one, can’t wait to see this new Ranger offensive team!!!!!! Half the night the boys will be yelling, “Look out Henrique, here comes another one at ya!!” We DO have the world’s best goalie, but if he has been tested with our defense first system……should be fun, as Sather says, to watch a more offensive system!!!

    It will be fun. We can give it about 7 guys that can skate, wahoo!! Offense galore.

    Am I the only one envisioning a lot of 8-3 losses? Oh, that’s right, we do have Hank. 5-3 losses.

  79. Carp, you can try to spin my words. That you are good at doing. If you think about it, one of the greatest announcers in the history of sports, Marv Albert, questioned the Knicks. We know happened there….So, I can understand why you want to be a “YES MAN”……..Reporting on the Rangers is a kush job. And the good thing for you, it just got easier……Because AV will be a piece of cake to speak to after the game.

  80. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Ideal trade: Torts to Vancouver for AV and a first rounder. We then send the first rounder to Dallas for Gonchar. What could be better than a 39 y.o. with a 2 year $5M per contract????

    Call me ……… GLEN!!

  81. from same article:

    ‘When Avery does visit with Lundqvist, they never talk hockey, as Avery updates him on business matters.’

  82. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    That AV, he’s got the lines, he’s got the jive, he’s quite the talker. I like him, he’s slick. It’s what we need in NYC. The media is tough here, you must agree.

    BTW, how many Cups he win with that sweet lineup? How far did he go in the playoffs with some real offensive talent playing that, you know, offensive system that “has been played over the last 3 or 4 years in the NHL, watch the Stanley Cup Finals, you know, according to our ace GM”. Of course, “things have changed”.

    He knows what he is talking about. Boston plays no ‘d’. They are all run and gun. That’s why they are the best in the east.

    EXTEND AV. 5 more years!!

  83. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    LIQUID, I don’t know if you know, because you seem like you may be new here, but Carp flies his own jet to and from games and in his ‘kush’ job, he earns well into the $$millions$$.

    Matter of fact, between you and me, LeBron has expressed some jealousy that our own 26 year old earns so much. Just between us.

  84. eddie eddie eddie on

    He speaks german in french

    offense is his middle name

    ice asks his advice on how to stay frozen

    stay thirsty my friends….

  85. Vinegar’s daughters: “Dadddy, we read in the paper that you’re getting ten million dollars. We need new -toasters-…-cars-…houses.

  86. I never said that guys like Cally or Henrik QUIT PLAYING HOCKEY……But the 2 of them were sick of the Torts treatment and system. To win a CUP or ANY championship, you have to elevate your play beyond expectations. Ofcourse if Cally had a chance to score or Henrik had a chance to make a save, they were trying to do so. But a good system and coach will get the most out of the overall team which increases the chances of winning.

    Carp writes about Boyle and other turtles playing run and gun? I never said or implied that. COACH-SYSTEM-MORALE-ADJUSTING DURING GAME-MEDIA RELATIONS………Torts didnt bring enough of that to the table and the players felt the same way. This was displayed on the ice and the lack of a Cup being raised by the NYRs

  87. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    The one thing AV will be is positive and that’s a change.

    “Brad, you are just awesome. Great play!!! Those sounds you hear from the crowd are cheering. They love you, Brad, they do.”

  88. Carp to assistant pilot on his personal jet: “What’s this thing sticking out here?”

    Asst: “It makes the plane go up.”

    Carp: “I’m gonna need that.”

  89. Matty, that beats “Use Hagelin on the power play? Nah, he stinks on the power play.”

  90. Press to Vinegar: “Do you agree that Hagelin stinks on the PP?”

    “That’s what I read, but I haven’t seen enough yet.”

  91. eddie eddie eddie on

    Boyle will score 40+ this year….he will replace Gabby’s output soon enough…

  92. I don’t mean Kush in regard to making money. I am simply referring to the fact that you never have to ask the tough questions or the ones that may ruffle any feathers within the organ-eye-zation. Because of this, some reporters just beat around the bush and asked Torts some of the dumbest shizzle known to mankind. And that hot head Napoleon would get angry.

  93. Ask the Rangers coach anything that MSG upperhands do not like…..and Carp and his fellow press would be on the next plane to Toledo…….reporting on the Mud hens!

  94. eddie eddie eddie on

    Crysby and Malkenstein have been held scoreless so far in the finals….i predict a huge breakout, on sid’s lips, come game 5.

  95. eddie eddie eddie on

    liquid – i, for one, would have asked plenty of car seat questions….

  96. LIQUID, you are wrong in many many ways, but you could not be more wrong about Callahan being sick of Torts. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE. but keep on guessing.

  97. Fatso Fogerty on

    Why would AV consider keeping Sullivan? Wasn’t he the one responsible for the awful power play of the past few years?

  98. Synonyms of “QUIT”

    abdicate, blow*, book*, bow out, check out, cut out, decamp, depart, desert, drop, drop out, evacuate, exit, forsake, get off, give up, go, go away from, hang it up, leave flat, leave hanging, pull out, push off, relinquish, renounce, resign, retire, run out on, surrender, take a walk, take off, throw over, vacate, walk out on, withdraw, yield

  99. Whoever kept playing Richards month after month is partly (or largely) responsible.

  100. eddie eddie eddie on

    dde – i shot you an email – i figured you’d send one back….unless you were busting my chops…no worries if you were….

  101. When McD gets on Derek’s back to reach the canned beans on the upper shelf, he uses a Step ladder. Since they room together and are both about to come into some real money, they should hire John Scott for those duties. Chara is presently occupied elsewhere.

  102. Act 1, Scene 1: McDonuts to roommate: “What’d Slats offer you?”

    “He said I can’t tell you.”

    “Same thing he told me.”

    Both begin to sing:

    ‘You never give me your money
    You only give me your funny paper
    And in the middle of negotiations,
    You break down.’

  103. eddie eddie eddie on

    i just played the crappiest game on the 64 squares you can imagine….

  104. eddie eddie eddie on

    dde – it must be chil-laxing in cyberland…unless the NSA grabbed it first…

  105. McD: “Think they’ll have anything left if they keep Richie and take care of Henrik long term?”

    Steps: “I hope so.”

    McD: “I don’t go out much anyway.”

  106. Carp That Dave Lozo was a great piece. On my way back from a round of golf I had on XM Radio 92 and they were talking about Torts and AV Time sharing their existing homes in both Vancouver & Westchester during the hockey season. This coach swaping; what freeken irony. Black/White, Good/bad, smile/snarl. Really doesn’t get any better. Carp, you mentioned Mike Sullivan as an asst coach, I thought he wasn’t retained by the team. ???

  107. lawns are very smart. They would die off and be overtaken by weeds and woodland if we did not kiss their asses.

  108. Torts and Vinegar should do a Fritz Peterson/Mike Kekich and Vignealt ends up with the dogs and the little suits in the closet.

  109. Wait until Vignealt notices that his property taxes have gone from $600 to $30,000.

  110. I think Sullivan’s a good assistant coach, very good with the d-men. I wouldn’t imagine he’d handle the PP under AV. And, as I’ve said many times during the season, I wouldn’t be so sure that Sullivan was the actual PP coach, or if it was the head coach. Seemed to be the head coach at practice.

  111. I wonder how much Viggy will like New York once Duguay starts macking on his two daughters…cue the boogie nights music

    Like every spurned divorcee, I get the feeling torts will spend half his time ripping the NYr in the Vancouver paers

  112. Carp- nice , informative article by lozo. Really gave great perspective on what you guys had to go through …after you flew in for the press conference:-)

  113. Cross Check Charlie on

    If what Sather said is true, that he wanted to change the style of play and Torts was “more than stubborn”, I’ll bet Torts said something like “just get me some g-d players and I’ll do the g-d coaching.”

    So Sather said, “No, I don’t think so, a-hole.”

  114. Even if he’s lying through his back teeth, it’s still refreshing to actually hear some form of lengthy commentary from Sather about his team for once.

    I look forward to the next instalment when he cans Vigneault in a couple of years.

  115. Cross Check Charlie on

    So, when AV gets canned, that’s when Sather says, “I really wanted to hire Messier anyway.”

  116. Carp, observation.

    You seem to generally agree with the “we few we happy few” crowd with respect to other posters opinions. And join in actually denigrating the poster who apparently doesn’t share either their views or yours

    Here I refer specifically to King With No Ring and his comments on this thread.

    I don’t know the poster and frankly am uninterested in Ranger finances, but the lack of civility is uncalled for by a writer of your stature.

    Perhaps a little more of “lending every man thine ear but few thy voice” would be more appropriate?

  117. I heard that in order to keep the facilities in line with the new coach and his yet-to-be-selected coaching staff, the team logo in the locker room is being replaced with a big smiley face.

  118. LW3H, astonishing how ready some are to forgive Sather and his 13 yr./ reign of error with little end in sight.

    There is nothing “refreshing” about this has been as his record over the last two decades will attest.

    Cub fog spreading over the land? ;)

  119. Maybe AV should play defense he certainly looks like he has the size.

    Perhaps this factored into Junior’s approval, he does like looking up to people!

  120. Astonishing how able some are to interpret what I said as “to forgive Sather and his 13 yr./ reign of error”…

  121. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    AV, working very hard to keep it positive after the very diminutive John Tortorella, as NYR coach:

    “Brad, those aren’t ‘boo’s’. The fans are saying ‘ooh’. They like your broad and beautiful smile”

  122. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    “Michael, you may be lacking speed, but you’re a good thinker”

  123. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    “Carl, you are much better on the PP than I was told!”

  124. You take people as you find them, and treat them as such, Comnsnse. Some like to misinterpret kindness for weakness. People usually get what they asked for.

  125. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Prediction: The line of Powe-Boyle-Pyatt becomes the highest scoring line in the NHL with our new system. You heard it here…first.

  126. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Loved Sather’s line, ” I think we are going to enjoy working together for the next 5 years.”

    I’ll take the ‘under’ of the ‘over-under’ bet on this one. Anyone??? Anyone????

  127. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Torts in Vancouver after agreeing to play nice with his team and the media:

    ” Shut the *&$( up!. I never said that!”

  128. I bet AV lasts 5 years, I have listened to all the Canadian experts and writers the last few weeks. He seems like a good fit.

    Unless Sather goes psycho.

  129. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    If the GM can resign a guy, then fire him a couple of months later, effectively turning on a dime, do you think he can be highly compatible with…anyone?

    AV sure does look slick, polished, willing to say what he needs to stay. He needs to produce in the post season. Let’s see how it goes. Wish him all the best!!!!

  130. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Rask and Crawford are not anywhere near as good as Hank. What they have is a good defense in front of them. WHen it breaks down, as it did in game 4, the floodgates open.

    Hank is better than both of them by miles. He just has never had a defense in front of him.

  131. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Matty – MDZ is a future first ballot HoF’er. Joe Girardi is the Yankee manager. McD will be a Norris trophy winner. Stall is where horses are kept. Hammer is what hits a nail. Eminger is #44. Stallman is European. That may be the best 6 D in the game today.

  132. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Common sense – what carp meant to say is “I hear your concerns and appreciate what you are saying”

  133. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Dc – Marchand’s nose hit the ice in Chicago while still in Boston.

  134. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    This series in beyond the beyond. Incredible hockey. Pens are the best team in this, and any other, world.

  135. exactly what I meant, Eddie. I said it in the most compassionate, understanding way possible.

    In other words, shut the front door.

  136. bull dog line on

    why is it that anybody who disagree’s with the posse has an agenda? they get mocked, cursed, generally disrespected. there were some who felt Torts should be fired. there reasons were because they had an agenda. guess what, Torts got fired. get on Boyle, agenda, MDZ agenda.

  137. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hank for either Sharp, Seabrook, and Crawford or Hank for Lucic, Task, and Seguin. Discuss.

  138. bull dog line on

    neither one of those teams need Hank. they have figured out that you don’t need a star goalie to win the cup. you need star players to win the cup.

  139. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bulldog – the stage is set for Avery’s return. Cool thing is we will be the first team with two number 16’s on the ice in NHL history.

  140. I can’t wait to see Boyle, Pyatt, and powe flying up and down the ice next year!! (S)

  141. bull dog line on

    I can’t wait to see the Sedins grind behind the net, and block shots next year! (NS)

  142. Serious question: Have there been any examples of teams trading away a goalie who was their best player as a strategic move, I.e. _because_ they think you have a better chance of winning by doing so?

    Obviously more than a few teams have won without an *elite* goalie (and the Wings are possibly a fair example of an organisation with a philosophy of not overspending on goaltending), but is that just because they never had one in the first place?

  143. Bull dog

    Is Avery on your agenda?

    I think Avery is the missing piece in Vancouver. He can really put that Europansy melted vanilla yogurt of a club over the top.

    :)

  144. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bulldog – the identical looking Sedins will confuse torts during film sessions.

  145. bull dog line on

    can’t think of any of the top of my head, LW. Roy wasn’t traded because the Habs thought it would make them better, they traded him because he demanded it.

  146. ZzZz NYR ZzZz© on

    Lucic should be knocked out , hate that guy super bad.

    Rask is a good , proves that a goalie is all you need in the playoffs. We have Hank ( best player in the league ) so come playoff time , we have an instant advantage…see? Rangers have all the talent you need to win the cup . Not to get you in the playoffs mind you but when we make it..we have a SKILL advantage at goaltender . Period.

    AV instantly gives the Rangers Class.

    Rangers will not be hacked, yelled, and embarassed anymore by there own coach . ( Hagelin you suck on the powerplay)

    Chicago is exposing the Bruins. Too speedy , too skilled . Its all over!!!

  147. Into the fifth game of Joe Mich on the international broadcast and I don’t think he’s said anything about the Stawrl brothers yet. Must be Sam who drives that particular bus.

  148. Some rumors flying (and I stress RUMORS) that there was a bit of a Country Club atmosphere developing in Vancouver. If so, little wonder that they entertained Tortorella.

  149. Hasek was the best…couldn’t win crap until he joined all star wings team.

    I think Hank’s problem is that he isn’t strong enough mentally. Gives up bad goals at worst times. Fact.

  150. bull dog line on

    Hasek was great. carried the Sabre’s to the finals on his back. top 3 I have seen all time.

  151. ZzZz NYR ZzZz© on

    Its a go , Torts is now the coach of Vancouver and Lindy Ruff is in Dallas.

  152. Are you saying he lacks *focus* there, CCCP?

    I guess there is no universal definition of what the worst time to give up a goal is, but how many one-goal third period leads have the Rangers held onto over the last few years? Weren’t all down to shot blocking.

  153. bull dog line on

    worst time to give up a goal? right after your team has made a comeback, and tied the game. eg. Richter in game 5 of the finals in 94. Rangers comeback from 3 down to tie the game, and Richter gives up a goal 30 seconds later.

  154. Joe Mich did just note how “big and strong” Bickell is, so he is using some of his best stuff here.

  155. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Look, if hank can’t keep the other team to -1, it’s time for him to go elsewhere.

    Resign Avery

  156. Hank has been carrying this franchise ever since Renney put him in for injured Weekes. Closes Hank got to a cup was game six of the ECF last season.

    What I’m trying to say is: Add to the team, don’t subtract. Keep Hank!

  157. ‘Big, churning thighs working like a steam engine on that negated icing, Sam.’

  158. bull dog line on

    the only reason I would trade Hank is if he is not signed,and wants to play out his contract. he is an asset. just like any other player. can’t let an asset walk away for nothing.

  159. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bulldog – do you remember the game where Baker challenged the Flyer bench?

  160. Jagr was asked once how he felt about his teammate Matthew Barnaby. He said” whenever I see him leaving the showers I mostly just feel sorry for his wife”

  161. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’m not convinced the Hawks can contain the pens offense much longer. Pens win this 3-2 and it’s back to Boston where Pittsburgh closes it out…

  162. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Olga – I’d toss in Brian Keith to make it a complete family affair….

  163. As I’m (un)fortunate not to be getting the NBC coverage this series, are there any important *Crosby updates* to be aware of, or will I just have to wait for the Rangers’ season opener?

  164. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    LW – Crosby hasn’t scored this series and yet it’s tied 2-2. Speaks volumes about supporting cast and depth.

  165. Olga Folkyerself on

    I’d go as far as Hossa, Handzus and Emory for Hank. And you can have Brian Kieth.

    And Johnny Crawford.

  166. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Penguins are not getting any help from the zebras – borderline criminal

  167. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Johnnyboy chuck just crushed Tays –

    Olga – my final offer – Hank, Boyle, MdZ, and veen-yo for Crawford, kieth, sharp, Seabrook, Tays and Jerry Sandusky

  168. LOL @ focus, LW

    Worst time to give up a goal? 7.7 seconds to go in the third…paging Chris Drury….paging Chris Drury :)

  169. #30 was tweeting from fashion week in Milan today. You don’t see Cup winners like Brad Marchand or Tyler Kennedy doing stuff like that, that’s for sure.

  170. Czechthemout!!! on

    “You dont need stars to win in the playoffs, you need your 3-4 line players and grinders to win”

    Another brilliant post written by one of the resident hockey geniuses that posts on here every now and then. Kane, Seasbrook, and Sharp are just plumbers.

  171. Czechthemout!!! on

    Hank should only be traded if he is not going to sign a long term deal and wants to play out his contract. It would be silly to trade him otherwise.

    If Torts is the Vancouver coach, maybe he wants his son Boyle and his best bud MDZ for that crappy soft player named Alex Edler?

  172. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Manny – there aren’t even two Sedins – it’s a trick camera angle that makes it seem like there is(are) more than one.

  173. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Olga – your 9:54 is spot on… The pens will erupt for at least 3 in the third – then, it’s on to Boston and let’s win there!!!

  174. Czechthemout!!! on

    Torts’ Rangers would still be twisting and turning behind the net with no shot on goal and just about out of gas, ready to change lines.

  175. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Olga – Hank for Crawford, Seabrook, Sharp, and Odouya

    To hear JoeM scream “Odouya” game after game would be priceless….

  176. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Hawks aren’t going to gut the team to get Hank. Crawford is good enough, the Hawks will just wait until Sather screws up and Hank becomes a UFA.

  177. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    No Bergeron? I hope it’s nothing that keeps him from playing next season…

  178. Czechthemout!!! on

    We need to trade Bull Dog’s agenda for my agenda and future considerations.

  179. Hank will sign his contract with the NYR’s very soon. He just wanted to make sure Sather kept up his end of the bargain by firing Torts first.

  180. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Nice mask, on the Rask, or is it task, in the sun I bask, sas-qwatch

    Boyeeeeeeeeeee

  181. Olga Folkyerself on

    These Hawks are driving me to drink! It’s one more thing I’m indebted to them for.

  182. Rob in Beantown on

    Hawks should drop game 6 on purpose to win at home. It’s the right thing to do

  183. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Liquid – my meds are working quite nicely – thx for axing

    And now it’s on to Pittsburgh and let’s win there…

  184. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    It’s almost time for the night shift to take over – where be my bruthas in arms?

  185. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Olga – it’s much safer walking to drink rather than drive – and you do mean water, yes?

  186. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cccp – Crosby looks like a hillbilly boy with those new funky teeth. Malkin was good tonight too….MAF wasn’t good enough but I expect a huge game back in Pittsburgh ..

    Pens in 7!!!!

  187. Carpy, I realize that we recently had dialogue that rubbed you the wrong way. Let me tell you that I have really enjoyed reading the majority of your articles and responses to fans over the past 5 or so years. I know that you are not a NY Rangers fan per se, but you are a fan of NY Ranger’s fans. You respect the NYR fans loyalty, our knowledge and our commitment to the team. Also, you recognize the heartache and disappointments that we have endured for many years. Ranger fans have high expectations every year and we are pretty much eternal optimist (except Miami Pimp).

    When I referred to the fact that the Rangers team quit on Torts….I was simply implying that the mindset this year of some of the players changed. Maybe it was a combination of the shortened season coupled with the fact that the Rangers had a different chemistry from the previous season. The Rangers team lost Dubinsky, AA, Prust and Fedetenko. These guys were the middle of the lineup players who had defined rolls. Winning teams are usually made up of a roster that has a very good mix of players who know what there roles are and the coach, Torts had a job of making them mesh well. So last season, it was a special because the team believed in the sum of all of the parts (for the most part). Unfortunately, the system employed by the coach had the players sacrificing the creativity to finish the job. Also, the previous years NYR team simply ran out of gas because they had to play alot of hockey in their own defensive zone. THey were told to put their bodies in front of the every shot so either it was blocked or Henrik would have a good indication to where the puck was headed if it did get through. Plus Henrik is a world class goal tender and one of the best in the world. Torts knew this so he installed a counter punch type of system whereas the Rangers would try to capitalize on other teams mistakes. But we saw alot of puck possesion from the opponents which made watching this team very difficult. How many times did we see where the Rangers couldnt clear the puck out of their own zone and the other team had a shooting gallery? Lots!

    Now let’s fast forward to this past season. Other teams had a full year (and a half) to adjust to the Rangers style of play. Opponent coaches were able to watch film and be better prepared. And the better coaches even adjusted during the actual games depending on the flow and situation at hand.

    So in regard to the way I used the word “quit”….and that the NY Rangers and players quit on Torts…I am not saying that guys like Henrik, Cally, Staal, McDonagh, Girardi, Boyle and others who have been here for the past few seasons just stopped caring about winning. These guys are all about winning and competing from whistle to whistle. At the same time, the psyche of some of these players mentioned gets to the point of frustration, and this could give the opponent an advantage. Also, it could hamper there own playing abilities as well. You can just see it in the body language and the tempo of their play in general.

    Torts was the general and his system was either you do it his way or you were going to pay the price by sitting on the bench and not play. Obviously Torts plays favorites, like trotting out guys like Richards and Girardi on the PP when even as it continued to be ineffective. Torts finally admitted that a guy like McDonagh may be a more dynamic piece of the puzzle on the PP point. But that was only after the power play was a ridiculed mess and this was pointing out by a large amount of hockey people across the globe.

    Once again, I shall reiterate that we will never know what transpired between the players and Sather / Rangers management after the Bruins series loss in 5 games. No one will know unless you are on the “inside” with the franchise. And fans, reporters, bloggers are on the outside with this team. This is due to many factors but the most important one is that the coach (torts) was a controlling pit bull and that NY is a prestigious place to play and work. So who would want to rock the boat to get the truth if it may put your job in jeopardy? Not many.

    Yes Cally and Henrik are true blue to the core and they are guys that we are lucky to have on the Rangers. But I would guess that it was wearing on them because after a while, they realized that they should have a better system that suits the teams strengths. They bought in for as long as they could but ultimately, I think that in the back of their minds that the Torts way was not the right way. Maybe they also missed some of the guys from the prior year that bolstered Torts system. Who knows for sure? I saw Henrik look up to the sky a bunch of times after being scored on during the playoffs and maybe thinking to himself, “Self, what the fugg is going on here….this coach is employing a system that just left me to hang out to dry.” Henrik was very good vs the Caps and for the most part vs the Bruins….but he did let in some softies at key points. He needed to be almost perfect for the Rangers to win. This is taxing on the mind and a goalie uses focus and being in the zone to play like they are standing on their heads. They can single handedly win series (i.e.: Cam Ward when the Canes won in 2006).

    So now Sather puts the onus of blame on himself and mentions that it was his decision and his decision only. He most likely did this in order to keep the Rangers current roster positive that change has arrived with the hiring of a new coach. How did Sather came to that conclusion? He was either told by a few of his players possibly. Maybe upper management like Schoney, Risebrough, Messier and Graves gave some insight as they are all former excellent players. Combine all of these posibilities with the urgency to keep Henrik happy so it gives the team a higher probability of keeping him here for a bunch of years on a contract extension. Sather has nothing to lose by making a change and taking the blame. Apparently, Sather has a job as long as he wants without any repercussions for his mistakes.

    At any rate, Carpy, keep up the good work. I realize this is a “free” blog open for discussion. I shall continue to read your insightful write-ups and opinions. And they are appreciated. $-)

    LIQUD

  188. My friend’s dentist knows a guy who knows DelZotto’s peewee coach and he said that he was on a plane months ago and the co- pilot told him that…

  189. Good post, Liquid. You should not expect much for a sense of humor or a debate in a classical sense. We here, on this blog, are frequently getting tired of each other and therefore a lapse into intolerance or Dadaism is inevitable. Best thing is to recognize the tone-setters and then- be officious.

  190. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    My sister sat next to torts on the plane out west and she told me he was double strapped in his car seat – plane seat and that he fell asleep and kept screaming something about henrik and Brutus ….

  191. Anyways, on a more serious note : Uncle Glenn has been spotted at the Sparks talking to Deepak Chopra, quite tete-a-tete (meaning intimate) style. The “Deep” has published a 50+ books to address a lack of success, mostly, and thus attracted attention of the wretches of this earth.
    Many of those bought Deepak’s books, only to encourage him to write more.

  192. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Liquid – remember that as your temp drops you become solid….as it rises you become gaseous. Incredible really. Have you ever heard about the triple point of a material? Where at a certain temp and pressure you are all 3 states at the same time. Pretty cool, eh?

  193. I’m just about finished my new novel and will post it here soon. 445 pages. Thanks for your attention.

  194. Hey Eddie,

    I thought that Torts really challenged those simpletons in the sports reporting, simply by turning their “jobs” into a sport within a sport.

    Them reporters cover a most complex sport in existence and then they complain when a coach, who must talk to them by law, gives them a little hard time?

    Which side disrespect, huh ?

  195. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Newbear – I think Torts has issues but then, don’t we all? You catch more flies with honey than with piss and vinegar so I’ve been told. Being nice and respectful to someone isn’t that difficult. That aside, I don’t think he is a good coach and I am glad he’s gone.

  196. COOS.

    I would love to read your short novel, can you fax?

    Last novel I’ve read was by Roberto Bolano “2666” and I was done in week with his 1,200 pages.

  197. Eddie,

    fair enough, I agree with you that he may not have been the best for the NYR lately, but I have this thing about the Press in general, the bunch of “maricones”, sponsoring a kind of play on words, a.k.a. “political correctness”.

    The Press deserves the worst of the Luddites to push back while laughing, but it may be to late as the educational system is somewhat corrupt.

  198. Bear, first let me say that I was satirizing LiquidBleach’s tome.

    Secondly, I am almost finished but have to first submit it to my agent for copyright and give him opportunity to shop the work before any promulgation. However, if you are serious, I’d be happy to send some ‘short’ excerpts for your perusal via e-mail.

  199. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Newbear – sadly, there aren’t many things that aren’t corrupt these days….

    Kooz – hook me up with your agent. I’m ready to write my “statements from JR” and I need to find a publisher…

  200. Well, Coos,

    Based on your contributions at this blog, I think I would be interested at your output and I am pleased that you have some stuff besides this blog outlet.

    Please state your your terms and let me know, would you?

  201. Tomb, thanks for the link. It’s funny what you can interpret from stats and why the numbers sometimes lie. The Richards stats/comments being a perfect example. If you look at his numbers, not bad but if you watched him this season you know better.

  202. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Seedubb, absolutely, on Richie Rich. Scary thing is that those that don’e have the time to watch our games look at the stats. So all those reporters/announcers that called out Torts for FINALLY benching Richards just looked at the stats.

    Had they watched his horrific play the entire year they would have seen how awful he was and how fortunate he was to score what he scored.

    Yes, stats can be ‘massaged’ to make anything look both positive or negative.

  203. Well i woke up Sunday morning
    With no way to hold my head
    that didn’t hurt
    And the beer I had for breakfast wasn’t bad
    So I had one more for dessert…

  204. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    The difference between the top 3 on that list is that Cally is put on for defensive AND offensive scenarios. For his +/- to be where it was is sensational.

    On the other hand, how many offensive zone FO’s did Nash and especially Richards see? The fact there were so many goals scored against Richards, given he was most only in offensive situations is a tribute to the many times he lost the draw and had to run down ice and attempt to stop the other team.

    Resigning him is the BIGGEST RISK of this season. Bigger than AV. Bigger than any FA that comes along. Bigger than any 3rd or later round draft.

    It is the decision that shapes our future.

    Are we Calgary for the last 10 years? If that’s what Glen wants, then resign him, that’s what we will get. Richie “Financial Anchor” Rich.

  205. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    LIQUID, your overnight post was very impressive. Some minor things I would question, but overall, well done!

    Thanks.

  206. Carp, apparently your version of civility is only your definition.

    More to the point is your reluctance to acknowledge the reality of modern sport’s writers asking the tough questions of those in charge, which of course always leads to the question of access vs hardballs.

    You’ve dismissed Liquid,King with no ring and I suppose Pete, all who have asked you the same questions as I have repeatedly.

    When you go to the rare press conference with Sather, do you ever ask him directly about his 13 year tenure and the numerous mistakes he’s made,or perhaps the laughable idea that he’s learned anything from those mistakes?

    Or do you like most of today’s writers simply take the press release from “President and GM Glen Sather said?

    Lastly your attitude with posters who question anything you say is deplorable. Do you know the expression “Red A**” in sports jargon? Shut up?

    My comparison of your work to Walt’s may be in need of refinement. Time for you to grow up and show some respect for views that diverge from your own.

  207. eddie eddie eddie on

    commonsense – Carp has written extensively about the failings of Sather.

  208. LIQUID, my problem wasn’t with your opinions on the team so much as it was calling out my integrity, of being a “Yes man” and wanting to keep my “kush job” of covering the Rangers.

    And I disagreed very strongly to the notion that anybody “quit on Tortorella” especially Callahan.

    Other than that, it’s all good.

  209. You guys sound like disgruntled voters pissed off that no one asked the presedential candidates about creating more jobs in your home town during the big debate. Just saying.

    And last I checked EVERYONE is entitled to their opinions. Not just the critics. Debates always tend to have at least two sides.

  210. Carp, “Too bad”? For an “insightful” and generally articulate fellow you sound more like an obstinate child!

    I forgive you because I understand the combative Italian persona you’ve been blessed with, but if you told someone to shut up at the table in my house you’d better be prepared to be backhanded off your seat.

    Now if you might why not answer some of the questions put forth in this thread by those who may question your sport’s writing virtue? E.G. tell everyone when you last asked Sather a series of questions about his reign of error?

    And his responses!

  211. James my friend, if you haven’t noticed that is exactly the problem with today’s reporting by most journalists on any topic.

    Since newspapers are also business I suspect as do others that softball press conferences are indeed about access.

    The era of reporters in the mold of Donaldson and Rather is long gone and this certainly includes sport’s writers.

    Tough questions today only come from certain editorial pages and the Net when not affiliated with a newspaper.

  212. Carp, what next you flag anyone who doesn’t agree with you?

    Petulance is so unbecoming.

  213. I came here late, can someone link me to the articles by Brooks, Gross and all the others that ask the “tough questions” Carpinello “avoids”? Or at least a press conf on YouTube where thee media surrounding the other 29 GMs do te same?

  214. Look, Nnsnse, when you’re at a press conference, the person being questioned, in this case the general manager, is not on trial. Nor are we there to taunt him with questions about his reign of error. We’re there to cover a particular story, and while there trying to get information on other news items, such as the goalie’s contract, the assistant coaches, what led to the firing of the head coach, etc. we’re not there to ask “tough” questions just because fans aren’t particularly happy about something.

    if there’s a tough question to be asked, it usually is asked. And it is usually asked away from the TV cameras, in smaller groups or 1-on-1. It’s not our job to embarrass somebody, or to provide sound bites for the cameras.

    I think most of the people asking questions at these things are foofs who want to hear their own voices. The smaller group of actual journalists knows what questions need to be asked. and often, as with political candidates, the most pointed questions aren’t actually answered. Lots of rhetoric.

    And frankly, I don’t know why i’m even bothering to react to your posts. Maybe I will go back to ignoring.

  215. Slightly ironic that if anyone asked Sather the questions Columnsinus wants asked, in the way he wants them asked, Sather would possibly tell the questioner to shut up in one way or another.

  216. Remember that video, which has since been removed from the internets, where Sather tells the kid to “piss off”?

  217. also ironic that if most of these guys ever came face to face with Sather they’d probably call him Mr. Sather and ask for his autograph.

  218. eddie eddie eddie on

    commonsense – what carp really means is “I hear your concerns and appreciate everything that you say, i really do, thank you for posting”

  219. eddie eddie eddie on

    i often nod politely when someone speaks to me and most times I am not listening but rather staring off into space thinking of things that never were and asking why not…

  220. There is only one reporter that Sather will talk to outside of a conference call or press conference…Larry Brooks.

    Rare as it may be, if Brooks asked anyone of those hard questions in that tone, he would lose the ability to talk to Slats in any circumstance…

    Sather didn’t even do a conference call when Gaborik was traded…the problem isn’t the reporters, it’s the GM…

  221. eddie eddie eddie on

    does anyone know whether or not Muckler’s corpse was in consideration for HC?

  222. eddie eddie eddie on

    it would have been the coolest thing to see Muck tacked up, tied down, and nailed to the wall behind the bench and then undoing him at the end of each period….

  223. Muck came in second, behind AV and ahead of Mess, Ruffian, John and Kevin Stevens, Dallas Eakins, Bryan Trottier’s latest thesis, and the rest of the mythical 13 people on Slats’ list.

  224. eddie eddie eddie on

    and of course to hear Doc say

    “lets go behind the bench with Pierre and Muckler’s stiff”

  225. I can’t wait for next season already!! It is going to be very interesting to see if AV can bring the MO-JO….and if the midnight kreider and Arthur Miller step it up this year.

  226. I’m pretty sure that” carpiniello” translates to” Italian with an Irish temper” having said that, debates are all well and good but NOBODY likes to have their integrity questioned, or deserves that from someone who is not , at the very least, even in the same business..Time to throw a corona on ice…

  227. eddie eddie eddie on

    Arthur Miller was married to Marilyn Monroe. Enough said. Had he never written a single word in his professional career, it wouldn’t matter….

  228. E3, even nailed up behind the bench he would prob be just as effective as he was previously

  229. Was anyone else frightened when Sather said this?

    “…he game has changed a bit over the past 3 or 4 years and if you are watching the Stanley Cup playoff today there is a lot more offense going on. A 6-5 game is more interesting than a 1-0 game.”

    So, you trade Gaborik?

  230. also, did you notice that both SCF coaches were horrified by the 6-5 game and wanted to get back to defending as they did in Game 5?

  231. It should frighten all Rangers fans that Sather said that. You still need to be able to defend. Duh.

  232. eddie eddie eddie on

    I loved that 6-5 game…..as a coach, I’d be horrified too…but as a fan, that game was plenty exciting…..please note, a 1-0 game is equally as exciting to me…

  233. Bernier to the leafs for frattin scrivens and 2nd round pick.

    Louongo now may have to land back in Florida.

  234. Sather thinks if he hires a new coach with a new system that bunch of second- third- and fourth-liners he collected will start scoring five or six goals a game.

    Oh, wait, I’m not supposed to criticize him or I might lose my kush job and status as a Yes Man.

  235. eddie eddie eddie on

    ricardo – the Boyle/Pyatt/Dorsett line is good for about 130 goals next year…

  236. Or Boyle gets used like Malhotra was used in Vancouver and the “Why isn’t Boyle scoring 20 goals?” complaining intensifies…

  237. eddie eddie eddie on

    January 3, 2014: Ranger goal #22 brian boyle…that is his 5th goal of the game and 57th on the season

  238. Carp, “the tough questions being asked” set off a laughing jag which I wish would have left me speechless.

    If you get anyone to buy that canard , you ought be in “bridge sales!

    And when you stop patting yourself on the back with your sophomoric remarks like “shut the front door” and the un clever attempt of the “nonsense” drivel.

    I believe you might have an after blog career working for MSG, “sappifying” with the rest of the shills.

    Hopefully the blog sycophants will identify your prattle for what it is, and perhaps ask you to blog something that doesn’t read like a press release or an MSG script!

    “Insightful commentary”, insert gag reflex here!

Leave A Reply

Protected with IP Blacklist CloudIP Blacklist Cloud