Guest blogger: LW3H … A unique and quite hilarious look at the 2013 NHL Awards picture


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(EDITOR’S NOTE: The following was lifted — cut and pasted actually — word for word, on the suggestion of and with permission from the author of the wonderfully clever and sarcastic blog, “Springing Malik” which is written by our most loyal and hilarious Bonehead, LW3H from his world headquarters across the pond. If you aren’t already regularly reading “Springing Malik”  make a note to do so.)

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NHL Awards 2013 — meet the contenders.

In most part due to certain events occurring in the approximate timeframe of September 2012 to January 2013 that nobody connected with the NHL will talk about until Jeremy Jacobs next holds a friendly season-opening press conference EVER again, the usual lamevish Las Vegas awards bash is apparently on hiatus for at least a year.

Instead, this year’s winners “will be revealed in two live television specials during the Stanley Cup Final”, which I presume means Pierre McGuire will be carrying out at least some of the envelope-opening, hardware-giving duties in between the benches late in the third period of a tied Game 7.

Until that time, here is a quick rundown of the main awards (those that are voted on) and those in the running:

Hart Memorial Trophy

Voted on by: Members of the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association
Supposed to be awarded to: The player adjudged most valuable to his team
In practice, normally awarded to: Whichever player got the votes of the only two writers who interpret “most valuable” in the same way

Sidney Crosby (Pittsburgh Penguins)
As well as his high skill level and competitive drive, famed for his high hockey IQ, although this apparently is not quite high enough to realise that the safest place to be to avoid a Brooks Orpik shot is directly in front of goal.

Alexander Ovechkin (Washington Capitals)
After something of a bounce-back campaign, now stands only 729 behind Pierre Turgeon’s NHL record for most points scored after being buried by Dale Hunter.

John Tavares (New York Islanders)
Provides significantly more value than at least two of the players on the Islanders’ payroll who have being a major award finalist on their résumés, by actually playing in games for the New York Islanders.

Ted Lindsay Award

Voted on by: Members of the National Hockey League Players’ Association
Supposed to be awarded to: The most outstanding player in the NHL
In practice, normally awarded to: Ron Hainsey or Ryan Miller, if Don Fehr really wants to screw around with Gary Bettman and Jeremy Jacobs

Sidney Crosby (Pittsburgh Penguins)
Earned respect from the rank-and-file NHLPA members by spending much of October to January listening to a stream of extremely dull, PR-controlled rhetoric.  In between re-watching his DVR collection of interviews of himself, also found some time to attend a few labour meetings.

Alexander Ovechkin (Washington Capitals)
During the lockout, racked up 40 points in half a season playing against non-NHL calibre opposition.  In unrelated news, later scored 29 points in 18 games against Southeast Division teams.

Martin St. Louis (Tampa Bay Lightning)
Before achieving great success with the Lightning, was let go by the Calgary Flames for nothing at all, which is now widely regarded as the best return for a departing player the Flames have secured in the last 15 years.

James Norris Memorial Trophy

Voted on by: Members of the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association   
Supposed to be awarded to: The defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position
In practice, normally awarded to: Nicklas Lidstrom

Kris Letang (Pittsburgh Penguins)
No stranger to individual awards, having won in 2007 the QMJHL’s Kevin Lowe Trophy, presented to the defenseman adjudged most likely to bitterly reminisce about his success as a player while sustaining a failed executive career.

P.K. Subban (Montreal Canadiens)
Believed to have the opportunity to become the first player with a hockey term within his name to win a major individual award, after the failed attempts of Victor Hedman, Tanner Glass, Paul Postma, Lindy Ruff and Rudy Pokecheck.

Ryan Suter (Minnesota Wild)
The free agent lured away from the Nashville Predators by the extremely lucrative, decade-plus contract sanctioned by an owner with close ties to the NHL commissioner, instantly solidified his playoff-bound team, almost exactly as Paul Holmgren drew it up.

Vezina Trophy

Voted on by: General Managers of all NHL clubs
Supposed to be awarded to: The goaltender who is adjudged to be the best at this position
In practice, normally awarded to: The goaltender who is adjudged to be at least as good as Jim Carey and Jose Theodore turned out to be

Sergei Bobrovsky (Columbus Blue Jackets)
Aiming to follow in the footsteps of the last Columbus goalie to be nominated for the award, by playing wretchedly enough to be wanted by the Philadelphia Flyers.

Henrik Lundqvist (New York Rangers)
Has a chance of being the second European repeat winner of the award, following Dominik Hasek, recipient in 1994 and 1995, 1997 to 1999, as well as 2018 and 2019.

Antti Niemi (San Jose Sharks)
Famously worked part-time as a Zamboni driver during his junior days in Finland, the hockey player/rink maintenance combination giving him something in common with teammate Scott Gomez, who is responsible for the sharp decline in coins and beer cups being thrown on the Bell Centre ice during Montreal Canadiens games.

Calder Memorial Trophy

Voted on by: Members of the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association 
Supposed to be awarded to: The player selected as the most proficient in his first year of competition in the National Hockey League
In practice, normally awarded to: The player selected as the most proficient in what might be his third year of competition in the National Hockey League after what might be no or several years of competition in another professional league

Brendan Gallagher (Montreal Canadiens)
As a Canadian with an Irish name who was drafted by the Canadiens one spot after the Maple Leafs selected a Swede, has already ensured a legacy of providing Don Cherry with at least 15 years’ worth of content for Coach’s Corner.

Jonathan Huberdeau (Florida Panthers)
Born in 1993 and scorer of 14 goals in 48 games, making him the only candidate whose bio could also describe the team he plays for.

Brandon Saad (Chicago Blackhawks)
Led all rookies by a distance in the statistical categories of most goals scored while playing with Jonathan Toews and Marian Hossa and most assists gained while playing with Jonathan Toews and Marian Hossa.

Frank J. Selke Trophy

Voted on by: Members of the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association
Supposed to be awarded to: The forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game
In practice, normally awarded to: The 50-point forward who best excels in probably taking a few faceoffs, being “gritty” and showing “hustle”, plus faring well in the ultra-reliable defensive statistics of plus/minus and takeaways

Patrice Bergeron (Boston Bruins)
As well as being a member of the prestigious Triple Gold Club consisting of players who have won an Olympic gold medal, a World Championships gold medal and the Stanley Cup, is also in the even more select group of players who have scored a playoff series winning goal against the Toronto Maple Leafs and do not have English as a first language, following in the most recent footsteps of Jeremy Roenick.

Pavel Datsyuk (Detroit Red Wings)
Looking to win this award for the fourth time, which would tie him with Hall of Famer Bob Gainey, who was credited with significantly reducing the number of goals conceded by the Montreal Canadiens between 1973 and 1989 as well as the New York Rangers between 2011 and 2013.

Jonathan Toews (Chicago Blackhawks)
The youngest person (at 22 years, 41 days) to gain entry into the aforementioned Triple Gold Club, a feat to impress everyone except teammate, Patrick Kane, who boasts of earning VIP membership of at least 75 different clubs in Chicago by the age of 20.

Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy

Voted on by: Members of the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association
Supposed to be awarded to: The player who best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication to hockey
In practice, normally awarded to: The player who missed the most games through injury the season before

Sidney Crosby (Pittsburgh Penguins)
“Continued to evolve his game” and “a career-best plus-26 rating” are among the irrelevant reasons for his candidacy noted in the awards feature, the Penguins’ actual endorsement of “definitely not being Matt Cooke” mysteriously not being referred to.

Josh Harding (Minnesota Wild)
Among his other career accolades, winner of a silver medal at the World Junior Championships, so presumably the Masterton nomination is for finally escaping the prison to which Hockey Canada sends all its junior players that disgrace the country in that way.

Adam McQuaid (Boston Bruins)
Recovered from two surgeries resulting from Thoracic Outlet Syndrome, a condition sometimes developed by athletes who frequently raise their arms above the head, meaning Zdeno Chara now has at least one fewer congratulatory tap on the helmet when he scores a goal.

Lady Byng Memorial Trophy

Voted on by: Members of the Professional Hockey Writers’ Association 
Supposed to be awarded to: The player adjudged to have exhibited the best type of sportsmanship and gentlemanly conduct combined with a high standard of playing ability
In practice, normally awarded to: The player adjudged to have had the fewest penalty minutes when the voters quickly skim down the list of top 20 scorers five minutes before the deadline to send in their ballot

Patrick Kane (Chicago Blackhawks)
Presumably distraught on eventually finding out he wasn’t in fact a finalist for the Lady Banger Trophy.

Matt Moulson (New York Islanders)
Drafted in 2003 by the Pittsburgh Penguins and quickly becoming the best goalie drafted in 2003 by the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Martin St. Louis (Tampa Bay Lightning)
Travels at high speed around the rink, most often directly towards goal, seemingly only a few feet from the ice, all characteristics that have the unfortunate side-effect of making him invisible to Lightning goaltenders.

Jack Adams Award

Voted on by: Members of the NHL Broadcasters’ Association 
Supposed to be awarded to: The coach adjudged to have contributed the most to his team’s success
In practice, normally awarded to: The coach adjudged to have the most candidates for the Masterton Trophy next year

Bruce Boudreau (Anaheim Ducks)
After being dismissed by the Washington Capitals in 2011, became the fastest coach to be hired after being fired in the NHL, although that sentence from Wikipedia possibly contains a small typo.

Paul MacLean (Ottawa Senators)
Famously spotted in close proximity to his doppelgänger near the bench during one game this season, bringing back memories of the Jack Adams winner in 1994, when Lou Lamoriello threatened to replace Jacques Lemaire late in the season with his reliable fall-back option, Jacques Lemaire.

Joel Quenneville (Chicago Blackhawks)
With 660 career regular season wins on his coaching record, on his current pace, can look forward to celebrating #700 around 15 games into the Blackhawks’ 2013/14 season.

General Manager of the Year Award

Voted on by: General Managers of all NHL clubs and a panel of NHL executives, print and broadcast media 
Supposed to be awarded to: The top National Hockey League General Manager
In practice, normally awarded to: The National Hockey League General Manager Thought Most Likely To Be Persuaded By Other National Hockey League General Managers Not To Sign Any Restricted Free Agents To Offer Sheets This Summer

Marc Bergevin (Montreal Canadiens)
Notorious prankster who smoothed relations with the Francophone media and fans after the Randy Cunneyworth fiasco with his unique ability to conduct bilingual interviews using only a hand cupped under his armpit and squeezing his elbow to his ribs.

Bob Murray (Anaheim Ducks)
To avoid a repeat of a 2009 chair-throwing incident, the Ducks now employ Brian Burke to sit in the GM’s seat whenever his former understudy returns to his office. At least that’s the reason Burke is giving.

Ray Shero (Pittsburgh Penguins)
Made a series of smart in-season deals that would significantly enhance his credentials for this award by concentrating on making those deals with GMs who would be most likely to ensure that fewer than 30 GMs would be GMs when the voting took place.


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  1. Just in case it gets lost in the previous post:

    Buyout window is the later of either June 15th or 48 hours after the conclusion of the cup finals.

    So due to the current finals schedule (game 4 is 19th June 8pm) – 21st June at the earliest (if its a 4 game sweep) or 28th June at the latest, if it goes to 7.

  2. Very good LW. I also liked your post on the “Board of the Lockout” – very entertaining!

    I also think the Norris should be named the Lidstrom trophy and is awarded to “the defenseman who appears top in the statistical categories for non-defense related stats like goals and assists and lays less then 20 hits, blocked shots or takeaways in a season”

  3. I don’t know who to root for.

    I thought Chicago would kill anyone but Pittsburgh. Boston has shown a lot of strength.

    I think they win in seven games.

  4. Great work, LW3H. You had me at “Jeremy Jacobs”. The Roenick jab was a nice bonus too. He is brutal in the studio.

    Great read, hard not agree with all or most of it.

    I thought, upon reading “15 years worth of material for Don Cherry”: Do we really want to see him on TV at age 94?

    Speaking of Cherries, LeTang winning the Norris would be the cherry on top of the S*** Sundae that Bettman and Company served us this year. Any truth to the rumor that Mario has tried reaching out to Dick LeBeau. Hey, he knows defense and he’s got a French name.

    Ray Shero for GM of the Year? HA. He played right into Chiarelli’s hands by taking that Iginla bait. The Pens were on a 15 game winning streak, perfect for all of March and Shero did what any clear thinking GM would do: turn over 20% of his lineup and trade a bunch of draft picks for a handful of older UFAs.

    You know how achieve success like Shero’s? You take over a team that has, between 2003 and 2006, a Lawrence Welk-like run of high, overall drafts picks: a One and a Two, a One and a Two.

  5. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, most hilarious, absolutely. Most loyal? There are a lot of boneheads who would compete for that title. Wouldn’t you follow normal blog protocol in such a situation and just award it to Sally?

  6. Bravo! Well done. I like the subtlety of jokes about Gomez for McDonagh and bad Fleury, as well as the Roenick dig. I could tell it was directly lifted because it wasn’t edited for Americanized spelling of realised and Ruff. :)

  7. Doodie Machetto on

    If they really wanted Gonchar, they would have had to throw a boat load of money at him in order to get him to turn down the lucrative offers he was getting from the KHL, particularly from Metallurg.

    Nill identified Gonchar as a target to help fix Goligoski. It’s an interesting strategy, given that Goligoski enjoyed his greatest success while working with Gonchar in Pittsburgh. However, it’s a risky one, as if Nill commits too hard to Goligoski and the kid continues to struggle, he will be the second GM who lost his job because of Goligoski’s struggles.

  8. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m not saying I agree with that deal, BTW. Just that I get why the money was so damn high for that particular player.

    Also, given his tenure with Holland and the high regard he is held in around the league, I’m willing to give Nill the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

  9. Doodie Machetto on

    Bylsma isn’t getting fired. No way. And if they do, it certainly won’t be Shero’s decision. It would definitely be one of those “OK, Ray, either there is going to be one firing today or there are going to be two” situations.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if they went along the current trend of firing assistants.

    But I thought the exact same thing for Torts, and look where he is now.

  10. Doodie Machetto on

    Gonchar also has that special relationship with Goligoski. No other NHL GM was making Gonchar that offer. It wasn’t a case of bidding against other NHL GMs, it was a case of bidding against the KHL (particularly Metallurg).

  11. Doodie Machetto on

    I see Streit getting something like 4.5 million a year for 3 years. I’m guessing Buffalo or Philly.

  12. Doodie Machetto on

    And there’s no question that Tavares becomes captain. If I were the Islanders, I’d make the announcement right before free agency for a little bit of buzz and star power to help negotiations.

  13. Doodie Machetto on

    The fact that Meloche is out tells me Fleury is staying for at least another year. Probably Bylsma, too.

    Sometimes the goaltending coach makes a difference. Look at Reimer in Toronto this season after they canned Allaire.

  14. Doodie Machetto on

    I heard that there was going to be a goaltending pad size decrease next year of up to three inches from the top of each of the leg pads (making five hole up to six inches bigger). I wonder how Lundqvist adjusts to it. As much as I love the guy, he wears some of the biggest pads in the league.

    Wouldn’t it just be our luck if they signed him up to a mega deal this summer and then next season he has Biron’s five hole?

  15. Doodie Machetto on

    I just read an update that the decrease is only going to be 2.5 inches a pad, for a total increase of 5 inches.

  16. LW, thanks for the break down and the chuckles. I too think the Norris should be named the Lidstrom and should be given to a D man capable of providing some D, which would/should keep Letang out of the race.

  17. I do like the decrease in pad size, as long as it doesn’t open up goalers to more injury. I am also a fan of the slimmer net profile. Cally will end up with 3 or 4 extra goals as a result.

  18. Doodie – last I heard was that a sub-committee was being setup to determine a proportional decrease based on each goaltender’s listed height/weight. Is that not happening anymore?

  19. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m not going to lie, it gets hyper technical in terms of goaltending style and since I know nothing about tending goal, a lot of it goes over my head.

  20. Doodie Machetto on

    A report is out there that Sather is considering stepping down. I think it’s a lot of BS.

  21. Doodie Machetto on

    Although, if true, it would just continue the trend of the NY area reporters being kept completely in the dark about the team’s intentions. They all had Torts being retained. No info on Marc Staal until another reporter got an interview with Eric about it.

  22. Doodie Machetto on

    And that’s no knock ont he effort you guys put in, but rather a remark on the amount of info and access the team gives you guys (and gal for Katie).

  23. I could see Sather stepping down for health reasons. But then we would just end up with his protoge.

  24. Doodie Machetto on

    He had the opportunity to when he was having prostate cancer surgery and didn’t. He had the opportunity to during the conference call when he instead went on the record that he was definitely staying through next season.

    But he didn’t. And he won’t.

  25. Larry Brooks ?@NYP_Brooksie 1h

    Told that there is nothing to speculation that Sather is stepping down as Rangers’ GM.

  26. Rob in Beantown on

    The one blog I read suggesting Sather might step down was thinly sourced, and even then extremely noncommittal saying he was just “thinking about it.” So I don’t put much stock into it.

  27. Doodie Machetto on

    Rangers have asked for and been granted permission to speak to Ruff.

    I’m disappointed. I was hoping that he wouldn’t be considered.

  28. I do not want Ruff but I think he’s the logical Sather choice. I want a younger coach that understands the new culture of the NHL. Guy Boucher or Granato or something.

  29. From what I’ve heard, this is more a due diligence thing … they want to hear him out, but believe his hockey is too much like Torts’ hockey.

  30. Rob in Beantown on

    PuckDaddy saying exactly what we want to hear: Yes Bylsma is a good coach who will do well elsewhere, and Yes, he should be fired.

  31. Same ole, same ole. I don’t think Eakins was ever a real candidate but I sure think Ruff is.

  32. Olga Folkyerself on

    “A report is out there that Sather is considering stepping down.”
    “I could see Sather stepping down for health reasons.”
    “The one blog I read suggesting Sather might step down was thinly sourced”

    Is it “Be Kind to Olga” week?

  33. Yeah, I’m not loyal at all. If another blog makes me a better offer, I’ll disappear quicker than the kids’ sandwiches at the Marty Brodeur Goalie School.

  34. King with no Ring on

    Lundqvist: “I don’t need no stinking Stanley Cups. I have my Vezina trophy.”

  35. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Just as manny said, every bit as hilarious the second time around!!

    If a guest blogger is just copied and pasted, do they still stink?

    Vigneault please!!

    If you guys want sather gone, you should hope for messier as coach and then an epic fail.

    Fo? Lol

    If you guys want more scoring and the game opened up, then they need to allow clutching and grabbing again!

  36. Doodie Machetto on

    Kypreos says Subban won the Norris.

    Hey Marc Bergevin, good job going with the two year deal. That worked out like gangbusters.

  37. Rob in Beantown on

    Katie Strang @KatieStrangESPN
    #NYR Can confirm Dallas has interest in John Tortorella. DAL hasn’t yet requested permission to speak w/him but NYR unlikely to stand in way

  38. nice job LW

    a bit late
    but the same goes
    to the other recent

  39. Why do the Rangers need to give Dallas permission to speak to Torts? Didn’t they fire him?

  40. czechthemout!!! on

    So it looks like Vinyooooo will be named as the new coach in a couple of days. He has kind of grown on me so we will see. I will be please so long as he coaches to the strengh of the players and makes adjustments during games.

  41. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    We need someone to chant “fire” to, c’mom sather hurry up name a coach..

  42. don’t worry onecup

    UFA season is approaching so
    there still is a good chance
    we’ll have someone to
    attract our wrath

  43. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    Even with a pocketful kibbles and bits , the dogs would still pee on Torts legs

  44. Doodie Machetto on

    eric, I agree. With the Gonchar move that Jim Nill made to bring along Goligoski, you would think Torts’ effect on MDZ would basically be the opposite of what they’re trying to bring in coaching-wise.

  45. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m sure Mike Heika (basically the only Dallas Stars beat reporter) would be *thrilled.*

  46. I lived in Dallas for 3 years, Torts is gonna hate it. Can’t find a decent deli or pizzeria anywhere.

  47. but Gonchar
    is a vet so Torts knows
    what he’d have and what
    he could do
    good luck to him
    (just hoping not our conference)

  48. Hilarious write up LW.

    Regarding the concerns about Ruff’s system. Remember that Buffalo team of the mid 2000s that came out flying and pinned us in our end most of the game with relentless forechecking? That was Ruff. With a speedy team. Good coaches assess their personnel and design systems to get the most of them. I am not saying Ruff is the right fit for the Rangers now but I don’t accept that he only knows one way.

  49. Tortorella was spotted in a Dallas Minute Clinic blocking shots. “The kids came in here, really showed some jam”, said Tortorella, “(the kids) needed the immunizations, and they came in here and pulled out a big win, I see it as a big step forward”. Tortorella then proceeded to storm off when questioned about the types of flu the injection would cover this year.

  50. Sounds like Ruff and Vigneault are at least getting a hearing with Darth Slats. I’m thinking Slats would rather go mid-season so they could do a recap on the jumbotron of all his cups in Edmonton and then him sat smoking cigars in New York.

  51. LMAO Dude. You know stepping back we are really unfair sometimes as fans. Those same things we mock Torts about are the same things that made us proud as he was molding this team’s identity.

  52. 7 yrs 28 mil for roman Josi in Nashville extension. 4 mil a year

    Mcdonagh should get 6 mil a year based on that

  53. Doodie Machetto on

    Matteau, it was the first two years out of the lockout when all of the clutch and grab rules were being really strictly enforced. It was easy to play that style when an interference penalty was called every other shift.

    And those two years are the outliers for every other year of his coaching tenure.

  54. Doodie that’s a fair point but if you think about it, it only goes to support the point that he implements a system based on his assessment of the circumstances, which includes a loose or tight officiating environment.

    How many succesful teams in the current envoronment play a game that doesn’t place a premium on physical play and defense?

  55. Doodie Machetto on

    “How many succesful teams in the current envoronment play a game that doesn’t place a premium on physical play and defense?”

    In that case, why did we fire Torts?

  56. I like Vignealt, the one reservation I have about him is the Canucks seem to be soft. That could be GM fault but the coach can instill a team toughness mindset see e.g. Tortorella, John.

  57. Doodie that is a good question but the way I see it his firing had more to do with his personal style, berating players, losing the confidence of the room as a leader. It was obvious in Feb when game after game they didn’t come out hard. When that happens it’s over, the guy has to go.

  58. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Perfect timing for Sather to offer a few draft picks to Dallas, then extend Gonchar for 4 more years. He is ONLY 39!! He’s got years.

    6 years, $30M.

  59. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, I think they are trying to win a bunch of 0-0 games in the shootout.

  60. Here’s a question that I hope gets asked this week in Cali.

    “Is this Torts guy available”

  61. Rob in Beantown on

    I’m so confused, first the Rangers were interested in Dallas and now Dallas is interested in Torts. I can’t keep any of this straight

  62. bull dog line on

    firing Torts was a mistake, even with all the reasons he deserved to be fired for. it was a mistake. feels like the bad old days are about to start again. Sather strength has never been hiring coaches, he has hired 1 good coach (Torts), and a lot of bad ones. I don’t have a good feeling about this.

  63. Rob in Beantown on

    Tortorella coaching Pittsburgh would be hilarious because of this:

    _“I wonder what would happen if we did it to their two whining stars over there, so I’m anxious to see what happens with the league with this,” Tortorella said, alluding to a possible suspension for Orpik, who received a five-minute major and game misconduct for the blow that got Stepan on or just above the right knee as the center was about to dance across the Pittsburgh line. “There’s no respect among players. None. It’s sickening._

    _“They’re one of the most arrogant organizations in the league. They whine about this all the time and look what happens,” continued the coach, who shouted epithets from the bench in the Penguins’ direction immediately following the hit. “They’ll whine about something else, won’t they, starting with their two [blanking] stars?”_

  64. Sidney Crosby finishes the 2013-2014 season with 16 goals, 30 assists. Penguins Head Coach John Tortorella was quoted as saying “I like the player, but he stinks on the Power Play.”

  65. If Torts had lost the locker room and your best player is stalling on a contract because of that and the lack of goalscoring, its time to go!

  66. Doodie Machetto on

    If our locker room is the kind that would go complain to the GM about the coach, I think we have significantly larger problems than who the coach is.

  67. bull dog line on

    if your best player is your goalie, you are going to watch the finals every year. tying up 8 mil a year in your goalie is a mistake. I would have kept Torts and traded Hank.

  68. Sioux-per-man on

    If Sather can get Tippet, there’s a chance Henrik’s numbers get even better :)

  69. “How does one instill toughness in another person? Is Coach Vig a martial arts expert?”

    Comsense can you clarify if this is a serious question and if you’ve ever played team sports with a real live coach?

  70. Doodie normally I’d agree mutiny is not a healthy sign but there are exceptions and UK Ranger is right on.

  71. Bulldog for better or worse Hank is our superstar. The others in the league are or will be tied up by their teams. There will be no superstars available especially when teams get the advantage of an extra year of contract to offer. We have no hope of a high enough draft pick for a franchise player. Only hope is Hossa gets cut loose in amnesty buyout but he’s 34. We are bound to have our team committed to Hank, unless we want a complete rebuild. Having the best goalie locked in isn’t the worst thing.

  72. Sioux-per-man on

    Matteau – Now if we could get our defense to defend like Boston, the Rangers could be almost impossible to score on.

  73. When the coach is just sitting there, clicking those ball bearings and insisting that there has got to be a phantom key to explain the loss, what else can you do.

  74. Sioux-per-man on

    I would take Hank in net, Boston’s Defense, with Blackhawks scoring.

    Toews & Co. in 7.

    Gotta stick with the logo, it was a Fighting Sioux logo, once upon a time.

  75. Most coaches have a shelf life if the success doesnt come. If Torts had won the cup this year he’d have been here still in 3-4 years time without much more success. The coach only gets tuned out when its clear the system has run its course and the coach wont adapt

  76. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    Torts should have never been hired in the first place.
    The rangers brain trust (LOL RHETORICAL QUESTION ) have done a below average job of assembling a team ,managing the cap and resigning the boys they want for the future. So any coach they hire has a tough job.
    But in NY winning the presidents trophy is huge with “great expectations )*(Charles Dickens)

    So until a new owner /gm or whatever who has hockey sense ,its back to the drawing board.

  77. If Torts had said at the start of the year “Right we need to change to accomodate messrs Gaborik and Nash and their obvious offensive skills and play a more expansive game” then i think he’d still be here, we’d have probably finished a higher seed and the calls for his head from within and from the fans would be quieter

  78. UK, if he wins yes. But I personally don’t think style would have made them better, they didn’t have the skill level. Torts is gone because he is a carcillo-hole and the players were sick of it, plain and simple.

  79. Object of the PP, peewee or pro, is to get the puck on the sticks of your big scorers, not the DelZ method of shooting the puck wide from 50 feet and having your best players battling for it behind the net.

  80. So how did Gaborik have two 40 goal seasons on Torts and Nash on a pro-rated basis have his best year in 4 seasons?

    I’m not going to dispute that he lost the room, but he let his top players be top players.

  81. Who knows if Torts will go to Texas, but Car Seat seen amidst assorted junk in his driveway sale Sunday. Index card propped on it said ‘will trade for Shetland pony saddle.’

  82. “firing Torts was a mistake, even with all the reasons he deserved to be fired for. it was a mistake.”

    Yup. Could ultimately be Hank’s mistake. Hank either generally thinks the players couldn’t take Torts’ persona anymore or that the gameplan wasn’t working anymore. Both possibilities are a stretch, IMO.

    The more I think about it, the more it seems Hank’s patience was wearing thin and Torts was canned to appease him, in an attempt to make him commit to a contract. If that’s the case, I hope I’m wrong. Because, then, NYR have to start looking for a goalie.

  83. If this is true, either there was a player rebellion or …? Does Dolan have to pay him for the entire three years even if he signs elsewhere?

    Strang: Despite reports that Tortorella was heading into the last year of his contract in 2013-14, confirmed via a source close to the coach on Wednesday that he signed an extension during the season. That means that the Rangers will still be on his hook for his salary for the remainder of the contract — believed to be three years — even once they name a new coach.

  84. King with no Ring on

    If Torts signs elsewhere as coach, he will not get paid by Dolan. If he chooses to not work, or works for TSN or as a consultant to a team, he will still get paid by Dolan.

  85. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Nothing for nothing, but how could Dolan not be a little perturbed at all the contracts he’s been left hanging for by Sather? Does the man have no financial conscience???

    So, Sather resigns Torts for another few, then fires him with Dolan on the hook, yet again?????

    Dolan has probably completed $200M of contracts for people that were let loose during their contracts over this 13 year reign of terror. Gee, I know Sather was nice to you at that hockey camp when you were a little boy, Jimmy, but this is ridiculous!!

    Great judgment, once again, Mr. GM, on resigning Coach Torts for a few years, just before you fire him!!!

  86. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    If Torts decides to coach in Dallas (and I would think, now knowing he has a few years left on his contract, why rush??) will he bring back Richards after Richie Rich is bought out in a few weeks??????

  87. One presumes that Avery’s paychecks and his ‘do not talk badly of the organization’ clause has run out.

  88. Is This Real? on

    How long is that video of Torts and the media going to haunt the top of the blog? In memoriam fonzi

  89. Torts ruined Avery’s career… Avery is close friends with Hank…Hank gets Torts fired (supposedly)…Avery wins!

  90. What’s done is done regarding torts. Having said that, my fingers are crossed that the stogie smoking genius upstairs actually has some form of a game plan going forward. I know,I know,I’m kidding myself…

  91. Olga Folkyerself on

    If you wanna cook out
    you’ve got to take her out;
    If you wanna get brown,
    don’t turn it down;
    She don’t fry, she don’t fry, she don’t fry;

  92. OneCup, I think that moderation things is automatic, and usually no big deal. But it most likely does catch some real trash, I’m sure Carp could tell some stories about what he has had to can.

    I was in moderation so many times this week I nearly changed my avatar to Tony Sinclair.

  93. Stranger Nation on

    Smoke gets in your eyes –

    everyone asking about torts, yet nobody wandering about the fishing loving master baiter pulling strings like the god father of 8th Ave.

    The old man still can play the shell game…

  94. Slatsko Folkyerself on

    Fired Torts? Mistake.
    Eakins gone? Mistake.
    Talking to Ruff? Mistake.
    Listening to Messier? Mistake.
    Considering Vigneault? Mistake.
    Waiting for Bylsma? Mistake.
    Digging up Muckler? Mistake.
    Not firing Sullivan? Mistake.
    Passing on Shoenfeld? Mistake.
    Keeping Gernander? Mistake.
    Confusing end of colostomy bag for cigar. Mistake.

    And HE’S in charge?

  95. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    I don’t know if it’s true or not, but rumblings are that, so far, the only thing, aside from lots of cigar smoke, to come out of LaQuinta, California today was:

    1. a joint statement denouncing Sean Avery
    2. Slather’s insistance that the team go after Sergi Gonchar for a couple of 2nd rounders (“the next time we have two of ’em, anyway) and then extend him another 4 years. Total deal, $6M per for 6 years, $36M.Gonchar will be 45 when the deal is over, or, as Sather said, “who cares? Dolan will pay him even if I fire him!!”
    3. a comment that they will not hire a ‘re-tread coach’. You figure it out.
    4. when local beat writer for the NY Post asked GM Sather about picking
    up size and grit to better compete with other elite teams, his answer was, “I already have” and “look at Hags. Jasper (Fast) is imposing, too!”

    After this Friday’s end to the meeting, Sather will head up north to fish. “there are more important things in life than just hockey. Right, Jimmy”, he said.

  96. Is This Real?

    How long is that video of Torts and the media going to haunt the top of the blog? In memoriam fonzi

    Thanks a lot it’s driving me crazy too. I think Carp is a little sentimental. That’s okay. At least he’s the freek out of here

  97. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Any rumblings going around/your best guess who the next coach is?

  98. Also, Carp do you think we’ll soon/ever have details about “what happened” with Tortorella?

  99. That was a thing of beauty. The start of a “new season”, they became a team you could really root for after the deadline.

  100. Doodie Machetto on

    Or just that he is taking his candidacy seriously. Not necessarily those above him that make the decisions.

  101. @AdamRotter Read: The NHL Doesn’t Want Big News Being Announced During The Stanley Cup


    Guess Lebron won’t be holding any press conferences then….

  102. Doodie Machetto on

    How hilarious would it be for Torts to sign somewhere like Dallas, then for that team to sign Richards after he is bought out? I think that would tell the story that his benching came from above Torts.

    It’s incredibly unlikely that any of that happens (other than Richards being bought out), but hilarious to think about.

  103. Rob in Beantown on

    I hope the Rangers (and the Penguins!) announce *lots* of big news during the SCF just to spite Bettman

  104. Pretty sure Brooks misquoted the OffZoneStart% on the Sedins, if anything he used the reverse since I’m sure the league leaders start more than 40% of their shifts in the offensive zone.

  105. I’m sure Carp is writing an article on the effects of salary cap deflation and compliance buyouts in the context of GvT valuation for this year’s FA class.

  106. when I add it all up, look at the rangers as a organization and why they made a step backwards, there is only one problem and one solution. FIRE FUGGING SATHER!!!!!!!!

  107. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – I could see that happening. Richards was a big hit there. Dallas could afford to pay him $1M – $2M per season, just not $7M per. Now NYR get to pay him his $26M over 14 years.

    Slightly better than my retirement plan :(

  108. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, he definitely has those numbers wrong. I have no idea what he was trying to say.

  109. Sioux-per-man on

    Makes for great news….. the coaching shuffle.

    Pretty tough for the next coach to improve on Torts record. He has to win the whole thing to be a success!

    That is a tall “order” in this league.

    The last 4 teams in the playoffs, where the last 4 Stanley Cup Champions. Who thought 2 teams would get “blown” out?

  110. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Corsi and Fenwick are a lot of BS, but I can’t believe that the NHL doesn’t officially track zone starts and zone finishes.

  111. Sioux-per-man on

    Watch….Sather will go through the motions. Interview the who’s who of coaching. Then hire Messier anyway.

    Can Messier do a better job than Torts?

  112. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – I agree. Trying to make Hockey into baseball’s moneyball is a joke.

  113. He had the Sedins at around 40% offensive zone starts over the last few years when I think he meant the reverse at 60% zone starts. This year alone one was at 66% and the other 63%.

  114. Sioux-per-man on

    Boneheads – if you got to pick the NEXT coach for the Rangers, who would it be? Why?

  115. Why because some teams in one multibillion dollar sport found ways to exploit inefficiencies in payrolls in an uncapped environment, teams in a sport with about as hard of a salary cap as there is shouldn’t look to be creative and optimize their cap dollars?

    Simply looking at the misalignment between players age/production curves and the timing of various stages of free agency should be a big enough inefficiency to exploit.

  116. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – nice run in the Challenge. Looks like 4th is high as you can go. UK has a shot to win the whole thing.

  117. Messier has recused himself from interviews of candidates?

    Oh, brother…

    By the way, how were Messier’s CORSI numbers?

  118. apologies to those complaining about the Torts video, but it’s set up so that the latest video goes there … and since that was the end of the season, and the last video, it might be there a while … unless we/I do a new video. Anybody got any suggestions?

  119. Rob in Beantown on

    I completely agree CTB. I think sabermetrics-type stats have the potential to be super-effective at maximizing production in a fixed salary environment. Sadly, I don’t think the guy calling the shots in the Rangers organization is going to be one to utilize those tools *at all*.

  120. the other way to maximize production in a fixed salary environment is to just sign the most recognizable name in free agency, regardless of age or declining production, to an out-of-whack salary and for extra years. Then expect more than that player can possibly produce.

  121. for example, sign Clowe and Hendricks for four years and $4M per each, then put them on the second line. That can’t fail.

  122. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Carpy, I believe you are on to something.

    That’s why I am pushing the trade of 3 draft picks to Dallas for Gonchar. Then, extend him for 4 more, total 6 years for $30M.

    He definitely is ‘the next Seabrooke’.

  123. Doodie Machetto on

    I just don’t think Corsi and Fenwick accurately capture an NHL player’s value. Dubinsky was 14th in relative Corsi last season. Marc Andre Bergeron was 15th.

    It’s just too reliant on too many other factors that you don’t get unless you watch the games themselves. Honestly, I give it about as much credit as plus/minus.

  124. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Seriously, the only reason you should need FA’s is to sprinkle them in as accessories to what you have already drafted. Somewhere along the lines, our GM got a little mixed up with that. He thinks you bring in the highest priced FA”s and draft around them. A slightly different team building philosophy.

  125. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Sure we do. We have some left. Later round. Who needs draft picks in the deepest draft in years?

  126. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Oh, sorry. My sarcasm is not helpful here. Will try to tone it down. Just after 26 years of seasons, great love for this team, it is getting silly watching this guy make wrong move after wrong move and still have a job.

    I am beginning to believe that “Now I Can Die in Peace” sign was more prophetic than those of us that were there ever imagined.

  127. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    So, as the one who picked, with Papa, Pens in 5 and Kings in 6, I am picking Boston in 6. Hoping to redeem myself.

    My apologies to Jagr and the Boston Bruins for thinking they can win. It probably means they get swept.

  128. Corsi and Fenwick by themselves don’t fully capture a player’s value though.

    At best their proxies for puck possession and then you have to contextualize it by comparing it to the opposition they’re facing (QualComp), the scoring that takes place (or doesn’t take place) when they’re on the ice and how much shooting and saving luck comes into play (PDO).

    For example, does anyone think Bryan Bickell is going to keep up his current scoring pace after the playoffs? But some GM is probably going to think he can and pay him somewhere between a Joel Ward and a Ville Leino contract.

  129. We could get in there before the Patriots and sign TIM TEBOW to be a huge distraction.

  130. Matty, I enjoy the sarcasm, and I’m not being sarcastic when I say that.

    Also, I agree with what CTB said about Corsi, Fenwick, QualComp, PDO and Shemp.

  131. So are they saying Byuflien’s weight makes the freight payment (plus border taxes if they’re dealing with a US team) untradaeble? Wasn’t NAFTA supposed to clear that stuff up?

  132. Richards to anywhere makes some level of sense provided it’s not for large dollars or beyond maybe a 2 year deal. It’s worth it to a team that isn’t cap strapped to take a $3M gamble on a guy that could still very well be a 40 pt. The problem is that if he bounces back and has like a 60 pt year and then some team decides to overcommit to him afterwards.

  133. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Yea, agree on Richie Rich. Now that he has had his ridiculous payday, if he had a $2-3M annual, he’d probably be worth it. Just when he’s supposed to be your franchise player and he plays like he did for what he got paid, it’s maddening. More money = more responsibility. He couldn’t handle that this past year.

  134. More maddening was the obscene amount of ice time the guy got this past season, given his performance.

  135. If Richards bounces back with a 60+ point season that would mean it was all about his preparation i.e. he dogged it, said F-U to Ranger fans, and frankly he owes all of us money.

  136. but even if he had a great year, they’d have to buy him out because of the length of the contract and the new cap and the recapture clause. it would have been a more difficult decision. perhaps his terrible season is a blessing in disguise.

  137. Well it was either give Richards that ice time or give more to the likes of Boyle/Powe/Halpern which not many people were in favor of. Not saying either decision would have been right but Torts was dealing with the less than ideal hand he was dealt.

  138. _Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff can’t engage in trade talks with another GM and keep Byfuglien’s weight off the table_

    That’s how all trades should be done. Two GMs either side of a table, with the player(s) lying on the table, perhaps with an apple in the mouth. If the table collapses, so does the deal.

  139. Torts interviewing in Vancouver. Maybe we are just trading coaches with them. How long before he ships the Sedin twins out of town?

  140. Have to be careful over-relying on stats in hockey. As an example Richards may seem tempting to a team for 40 points but not if you consider he also hurts you defensively.

  141. Teams literally can’t fit Byfuglien under the limit on total team weight agreed under the new CBA, known as the celery cap.

  142. Have to be careful over-relying on stats in hockey. As an example Richards may seem tempting to a team for 40 points but not if you consider he also hurts you defensively.


    How exactly does that get quantified?

  143. also, a lot of folks who didn’t watch a lot of NYR this year, especially in Canada, look at Richards’ stats and said his year wasn’t so awful. When I was on Chris Nilan’s radio show he actually said that Richards wasn’t bad this year. Yikes.

    lmgo, LW.

  144. CT that’s my point, you can’t quantify it, you have to know what you’re watching. If you look only at “production” you don’t get the complete picture.

    As Carp just noted some are going to look at Richards points production, and pay for it, to their detriment.

  145. czechthemout!!! on

    Big Buff maybe fat but he is still better than all of our defensemen not named MCD. Get him and make him drop 30-40 pounds and you have an almost Norris trophy candidate. His weight makes the comoensation for him less daunting. MDZ and Thomas may actually get it done.

    Keep an eye out for Jordan Subban as one of our third round picks. He has all the tools of a top dman except he is only 5 9″. He may grow an inch or two in the next two years but look at Enstrom and Torrey Krug. This kid is better. They have him ranked any where from 55-80 . He maybe our pp qb in the future.

  146. True Torts wasn’t given a stacked deck of players and the options were limited. No excuse for the amount of PP time Richards got though. I like the guy, not a hater but when I can notice his drop off in play, I would expect the coach to notice it as well. Maybe they should just fire Tortorella.

  147. czechthemout!!! on

    I hope Torts get the Vancouver job. We can trade them Pyatt and Boyle, his beloved wall players for Edler and Burrows.

  148. czechthemout!!! on

    Just wanted to add that that Subban kid is a right handed shot. He is an offensive wiz who could probably start rught away next season if he can add 10-15 pounds of muscle. Someone will steal this kid.

  149. If Glennie recently gave Torts a new contract that goes through the 2015/16 season, and then abruptly fired him after 2nd playoff round, what are we to infer?

    a.) Henrik’s refusal to re-sign under those circumstances?

    b.) Player revolt?

    c.) Torts telling Slats to “Stop coaching and kiss my azz?

    d.) All or two of three of the above?

  150. @RenLavoieRDS

    Canucks and John Tortorella are talking. Is one of the strong candidates to replace Alain Vigneault. #RDS

  151. In the Winnipeg Free Press, Gary Lawless cites a report saying that Dustin Byfuglien ended this past season weighing around 300lbs and that could lead to him being un-tradeable.

    Lawless writes “Jets GM Kevin Cheveldayoff can’t engage in trade talks with another GM and keep Byfuglien’s weight off the table until the very end — then hit his colleague with an, “oh, by the way, Buff’s a little big right now.”

    Byfuglien is listed at 265 lbs and signed for three more season with a cap hit of $5.2 million.

    James Mirtle tweeted “Byfuglien has always been huge. No doubt in my mind he played close to three hundy in junior and was a force. Still fell big time in draft.”

    Byfuglien is a right handed shot and had 10 PP points last season, 19 the year before and 24 in 2010-11.



  152. Torts and Vigneault trading places reminds me of the Simpsons episode when evryone thought the world was coming to an end. As the camera panned back, everyone in the church ran across the street to the bar. At the same time, everyone in the bar ran across the street to the church

  153. La kings beat writer on nhl radio breaking down kings UFA thinks if rob scuderi who i like hits the open market on july 5th the isles will come calling with a 4 yr deal.

    also thinks that flyers could once again try and offer sheet with bernier for the goalie of the future

  154. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Richards stats didn’t look bad…that bad. Until you factor in things like the ‘ugliest hat trick ever’ at the end of the season and all the 2nd assists he was granted. He had more luck the last 10 days of the regular season than the Lucky Charms Leprechaun. Even Richards was looking up to the sky after some of his ‘goals of fortune’, thinking it was silly.

    For a guy that spent so much time on the PP, he should have had TRIPLE the points he had.

    Knuckles needs to stay away from the bar or not talk about what he hasn’t researched.

  155. All those in the know seem to point to Hank. It seems unlikely that Torts ever directly bothered him personally, (as the head of the DPW knows little of poetry or how it is produced.) Ironically, Hank’s main disgust more than likely was a result of the paltry offense rather than the D.

  156. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Yes, Eric. Can’t call the Isles a well run organization, but losing Streit, enter Scuderi. Not awful.

    They have plenty of room under the cap. I worry about them.

  157. Islanders could be a force, if they decided to spend money.

    Is Kovalchuk bought out yet?

  158. Matty, as one person in the organization said at the end of the regular season, Richards had (I think) 11 points in his last six games “without having a single scoring chance.”

  159. and the A part, I don’t think would have been a complete refusal, but more like a veiled threat. Again, educated guessing.

  160. Imagine all the players’ wives and girlfriends watching after game Pressers, telling their men ‘what a nasty, obnoxious little man’ Tortorella is?

  161. Anaheim expressing interest in Byfuglien. Side deal in works with Disney to offer him as a ride if he falters on ice.

  162. Sioux-per-man on

    Perhaps it’s the “ice slide” into the water. The one that makes the biggest splash wins!!!!

  163. Sioux-per-man on

    I’d be running to the Bar…..

    on second thought I was in the Bar last….

  164. And the sign near the ride entrance says: “You must be THIS high to enter this ride.” Next to it is a picture of four filled shot glasses and a bong.

  165. Sioux-per-man on

    Matty – or Sather could trade Richards to a Canadian team :)

    It’s been done before…..

  166. Once saw Ulf Nilson in a deli in Scarsdale while he was out with an extended injury. He played at about 175 and must have weighed 250+. Imagine Buff’s caboose without all the ice time?

  167. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Interesting point, Sioux. They seem to like him up there. Yes, why not?

    Carpy, if someone in the organization realized what you said @1:58pm, is it far fetched that Richards’ situation had an affect on team morale? I mean, the way he was protected by Torts (and other guys got benched), consistently underperformed, it had to be disappointing to other players knowing they were making less and producing more…but HE was protected?

  168. Sioux-per-man on

    Yes. He’s close to home, scores 50 points a year.

    I don’t see him getting bought out.

  169. Richie pretended to forecheck on the other team’s breakout and was repeatedly the last man up the ice. One can only think that the organization was trying to showcase him, knowing he was either a buy-out or a trade and hoped, almost up until the end, for the latter – until they realized it was hopeless.

  170. Sioux to Torts: “Wanna play a couple hands for the registration to your new Jaguar?”

  171. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    It didn’t take most of us that long, Coos. It was hopeless game 4. I realize you have to give him some time to be sure, but till 2 games before the end, that was a lot!!

    I am of the opinion that next year, with a lower contract (if bought out), less responsibility, he could be better than this year.

    However, I cannot forgive him for coming to training camp out of shape and never performing up to his contract. Despicable for a professional to do that. Despicable.

  172. For the life of me, Matty, I can’t see how a starting pro hockey player can be “out of shape” after myriad practices and 40 almost consecutive NHL games.

  173. Sioux-per-man on

    Skipped lunch….Veal Parm sounds good about now.

    Then so would a hot dog!!!

  174. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    THanks Fat Guy. Interesting read. Had no idea Richter did that.

  175. What ever happened to the good old days when retired NHL players went back to the foundry and bonded with the old man?

  176. Rob in Beantown on

    Holy carcillo, really bizarre worlds colliding moment. I know that company and was vaguely aware of a guy named Michael Richter there, and stupidly never even made the connection. It’s Mike Richter!! My mind = blown.

  177. From SNY

    Brad Richards led the Rangers with 63.4% of his shifts starting in the offensive zone.

  178. Is that a good sign or a bad sign? Are we going to make the final two coaching candidates breakdance fight for the job?

  179. Matty, very, very possible on the Richards/morale question … though I think a lot of the players in the room naively looked up to Richards and some probably thought he was still a good player. Or maybe not.

  180. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    It makes sense, Carp. I know as a teammate, I would be disappointed to have looked up to him ‘thinking’ he was special only to realize he was not.

    The fact that everyone says he is a really good guy is, to me, irrelevant. If you have an entry level contract, no problem. But don’t play like that as a ‘franchise player’ that’s getting some of the biggest bonuses in the history of the sport.

    Thanks for the courtesy of your answer. Suspected it for, at least, the latter half of the year.

  181. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I like vigneault for two reasons

    One, if he had any sort of forward toughness in his bottom 6 in the year they went to the finals, they would have won it IMHO.

    Two, I think he can open the offence up a bit without making it a free for all defensively

  182. Burrows, Lapierre, Bieksa, Torres, Rome, Alberts, Glass weren’t “tough” players?

    I’m pretty sure you don’t win 3 rounds of the playoffs and get to game 7 of the SCF without some toughness. Maybe if Luongo hadn’t been so Jekyll and Hyde in that series (VAN won the close games and lost blowouts) the Nucks would’ve brought the Cup back to Canada.

  183. Canucks had some moderately tough players but they were not team tough. Boston gave them a rough ride physically and they did not stand up for each other. It’s the one thing I have reservations about with Vig.

  184. The Sedins contributed 2 goals and 2 assists in that series, Kesler had 1 assist (in game 1 no less). Luongo was tagged for 8, 4, 3, 3 in their losses. Getting a mere 5 points from guys that had combined for nearly 300 in the regular season and an epic meltdown from your franchise goalie was a much bigger reason they lost the Cup.

  185. Do you think there is no relation between players playing scared and their “production”?

  186. Sedins and Kesler were getting manhamdled with no retribution. Big reason they lost.

  187. Sestito’s carpentry assistants: Hmrlik, Sanderson, Nail Yakupov, Michael Latta.

  188. Um, there might be, I can’t say definitively that’s not the case. I mean it’s not like those guys weren’t going up against the best defensive units every team they played against.

    Going along that line of reasoning though arrives me at the conclusion that Rick Nash was a pretty big pansy because he was afraid of Mike Green in the Caps series, let alone going up against Chara the next round.

  189. CT it’s probably me but I don’t follow your logic on Nash being afraid of Green. No one is making the point that because the Sedins didn’t produce it meant they were scared. Other way around. As was obvious to anyone watching that series.

    In Nash’s case what seemed clear is just didn’t have room, and he didn’t have the experience of learning how to deal with playoff coverage.

  190. They’re not paying Nash a king’s ransom to spend 7 minutes of every period in the litter box.

  191. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Pretty sure I said forwards and bottom 6, so you got 2 guys right.

    Perhaps you should learn to read before you try and spout off at the mouth ;)

  192. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Couldn’t agree more with your 5:46, except that I don’t blame vigneault, he has an edge to his coaching game plan and with more playable tough players, he could be a hell of a coach imho

  193. I just think the whole narrative of the Canucks being a soft team is overblown. I concede they’re not the toughest team in the league back then and probably aren’t now.

    If anything the first couple of games of that series the Canucks were the ones stirring it up with the Bruins (the Burrows biting incident and then Lapierre mocking Bergeron about it the next game).

    Every team the Nucks go up against know shutting down the Sedin twins is important to winning. I’m not sure what they encountered in the Bruins series was drastically different than what they’d experienced throughout the playoffs.

    Instead it was some combination of getting a little roughed up, not playing their best and as we’ve seen this postseason the Bruins are probably the best team in the league in simply suffocating the offense out of their opponent.

  194. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I don’t consider stirring the pot and being tough as the same thing. They did stir the pot but I don’t think they had the toughness up and down the forward lines to match the bruins and that was a major problem

  195. Wicky I like Vig as a choice, the team toughness is just my one reservation. Maybe he learned from it.

    CT I agree with a lot of what you say but the fact is that Van team and did not have the mentality of standing up for each other. Bruins intimidated them and that is a big reason they lost.

  196. Good evening all! Been awhile (sorry Carp, work and travel) but this was a post worth coming back to…..LMHAF times 3 LW!!!!

    Can’t catch up with everything else cause my dang glasses are broken and I had a hard enough time reading this on iPad, enlarged version….

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!

  197. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I think you and I are partially agreeing and that is why vigneault is the guy I hope gets the job. His style was a bit in the face/pot stirring so if he had a bit tougher of a forward group, results might have been different.

  198. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    If vigneault was the GM as well, then I agree with you 100%, but if he was just using the players he had at his disposal, then I very much like his style with a team that has a bit more forward toughness like ours!

  199. Whatever was “wrong” with that Canucks team, they were one game short of winning the whole thing and giving us an entirely different narrative about how the Bruins didn’t quite have enough skill to win.

  200. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Did you guys see the woywitka blurb? about 25 NHL coaches being fired in the past 2 years??

    Wow, just wow!!!

  201. Wick, also saw Stan Bowman’s presser today when he talked about how important continuity is to success, how you shouldn’t make sweeping changes just because you fail, especially since it’s so hard to win the whole thing no matter how good your team is, and how 29 teams fail. And, generally speaking, I could not agree more.

    Be afraid of the next guy, Rangers fans. It can always get worse.

  202. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I couldn’t agree more. I honestly think a lot of the problems the rangers had for most of last season was all the new faces at forward and then no training camp or preseason.

    That being said, I’d like to see 2 new forwards and 2 or 3 new d men this upcoming season…j

  203. still say that if Gaborik-Richards-Nash played anything like a first line, second line of Callahan-Stepan and whomever … even with a worse bottom six they could have been a top-four seed (they were only a point out of fifth, and a point behind No. 3, I think) and who knows in the playoffs?

  204. Gut? No. 11 … I don’t see how he doesn’t get it if he really wants it.

    I’d take Vigneault or Ruff over him, though.

  205. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Great point about 2/3rds of the top line and I know, it’s how can mess not get it but I would take vigneault (obviously)

  206. Carp agree no1 reason for difference in the team this year and last is the deletion from the roster of a no1 center. Distant no2 reason, but significant nonetheless, is degradation in talent and balls of the bottom 6.

  207. LW the fact Van was that close certainly is a big plus for Vig. But if I was GM interviewing him I’d want to be satisfied he learned from the physical drubbing his team took.

  208. LMAO seven balls. Without starting a whole thing here I’d argue last year with Prust it was 16 balls, 4 extra to spare for the top 2 lines.

  209. Successful contractor brought his nephew over from Italy and took him to old Yankee Stadium. “How come Joe DiMaggio no hit a home run,?” he asks uncle. “You don’t understand baseball too good.” says the Uncle, DiMaggio got four balls, so he walks.” Nephew says, “Walk proud, Joe.”

  210. Black Sabbath’s new album ’13’ is out now!

    Just downloaded it *ILLEGALLY*

    good stuff… i love Ozzy! Ozzmosis is my favorite by him.

  211. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    So, last day or so, Czech (I think it was) brought up a possible trade, a 3-way deal with Carolina and Pitt which, ultimately, would have us getting Malkin and a 2nd rounder, giving Staal and someone else, like MDZ.
    He said he heard it from the same source that told him the Nash deal was gonna happen a month before the rumors started. I do remember hearing about the Nash deal in advance of the rumors here.

    Anyway, turns out Malkin is expressing an interest in staying. He is negotiating and, according to NHL Radio, is 8-10 days away from resigning a long term extension.

    Seems to me that was the gospel.

  212. That Malkin rumor was absurd, no one is paying value for Staal until his situation clarifies. He has a career threatening injury.

    Btw there were plenty of early sources regarding Nash.

  213. I agree with you, Carp, when you said “Be afraid of the next guy, Rangers fans.” We will never learn the truth about the real causes of the Tortorella firing nor do we need to.

    I go back (as a fan) back to 1967 a time of steady progress for the team which, at that time was owned by Gulf+Western, if I am not mistaken – pure nostalgia, in my mind. After the SCF with the Habs blown, there were periods of calm alternating with times of petty chaos.

    However, the important coup took place when one Mark Messier single handedly unseated his coach Roger Nielson, as he was supported by the Rangers’ “organization” in doing so. I’d venture to say that there is no “whistleblowing” in the professional sports at all except for cases of child abuse. So Messier’s deeds do not qualify as such, anly only appear a bit irrational.

    This, of course, had cleared the way for the “Oilers East” to triumph in the hype crazy New York City in the hallowed A.D. 1994 (The Urbanite Yokels in a barbershop harmony “Now we can die in peace”.)

    In all due respect for # 11 and all that he has done for the “organizaton” over the years, He (sic) is right to recuse himself from any coaching decisions to be taken now. Not because he thinks he is a front runner anyway, but rather he knows he’s twice guilty. False modesty at last.

    Enter the NYR “byzantine” era. Just watch….

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