Talking Rangers on the radio, twice, tonight


You needed a new post anyway.

I am going to do a couple of sports radio talk shows about the Rangers tonight.

First, I’ll be on sportstalkNY, WLIE 540 AM, with Mark Rosenman around 7:15 p.m. Andrew Gross will also be a guest on the show, and Jay Wells — who was an assistant coach in Mark Messier’s only other coaching experience — will follow Andrew and I (me? … I always get it wrong, but figured “The King and I” is correct, right?). You can hear it at or by clicking here.

Then, around 9:30 (maybe a little earlier, maybe a little later) I’ll be a guest of Derek Wasiak on, which you can also hear online by clicking here.

So there you have it. Maybe some shout-outs for the blog and its inhabitants.

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  1. They’ll say it really loud
    They’ll say it on the air
    On the radio
    Whoa, oh, oh
    On the radio
    Whoa, oh, oh
    On the radio
    Whoa, oh, oh
    On the radio

  2. “Well no one told me about Brad, what could I do?
    Well no one told me about him, though they all knew.
    But it’s too late to say you’re sorry
    How would I know, why should I care
    Please don’t bother tryin’ to find him –
    ‘Cause he’s not there.

    Well let me tell you ’bout the way he looked
    The way he acted, the feelings of despair
    His teeth were pearly white,
    His shot was quite a sight –
    But he’s not there.”

  3. eddie3X still editing papers even after semester has ended. It’s in the blood.

  4. ThisYearsModel on

    Ex Rangers players and managers
    I’ve got your names and your numbers filed away
    All looked up

    Beat writers you’ll never let them be
    It’s sure that Torts had absolutely had enough
    Was fed up

    See them
    Grind them

    Don’t you know you can’t out skate them
    You can only hope to take ’em
    On your radio, on your radio

    Carpy is going on the radio
    Radio, on your radio
    Carpy is going on the radio
    Carpy is going on the ra-deee-oooooo.

    Apologies to Joe Jackson—not Jim Jackson

  5. Carp wants the airwavves he wants the airwaves ba-by if rock is gonna stay aliiiiiiiive

    Carp – kudos on the pictures you’ve been using lately. Some really clever/appropriate photos

  6. eddie, groups of that era took the Hammond out of the churches and put it into the stratosphere. The Zombies, The Band, Santana, Greg Allman, Floyd, Al Green (“Love and Happiness!”)

  7. Eddie said great organ !!
    Listen to the radiooooo
    Listen to the radio
    let’s spend the night together
    baby don’t go
    they say it on the radio

  8. So carp, I’m guessing when you mentioned not too long ago that you had a relatively long conversation with THE captain, none of what is happening now came up…did he refer to his future at all or was the talk more centered around the team and playoff possibilities??

  9. Carp, the trick is to remove the other party from the sentence and figure out which pronoun makes sense. It’s reassuring to me/I to see that you have grammar issues beyond by/from, however.

  10. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ricardo – it’s always easier to drop “Andrew” and read aloud – following me as opposed to following I. You would say Andrew and I are on next as it’s the subject. The receiving end is almost always a “me” whereas the leading end is “I”. That said, far be it from me to correct anyone as I am verbose and hoop-Ty. Moreover, I know 3rd graders that spell better than I do.

    It’s all good, my brutha..

  11. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – funny story… I was hanging out long ago with 3 of my friends and we were discussing speaking the king’s English…. And one of my friends says… “It is important to talk good English” – he caught himself and said – “perfect example of what not to say” – my other friend, without missing a beat says “yeah, you meant to say well English”

    I laughed for an hour….

  12. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Carp – carry that puck into the zone. Go on the attack. Never surrender.

  13. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cccp – it’s a magic machine that makes sound… Little tiny people live inside and you can hear them but not see them…

  14. Admiral Akbar on

    If you like the Hammond B3, check out these cats before you pass from this planet:

    Jimmy Smith
    Joey DeFrancesco
    Larry Young

    In fact, Larry Young was going to form a band with Jack Bruce from Cream, Tony Williams from Miles Davis, and the one and only Jimi Hendrix on guitar! (But Hendrix had to pass away.)

  15. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Did anyone see the article in the Denver Post about a chair called the GyroStim? Apparently Crybaby used it last year to help recover from his concussion. I wonder if it would help Sauer recover. Was a very interesting read.

  16. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    I got the link over in the twitter feed from Zipay, it really sounds amazing. If it really works why haven’t the Rangers inquired about it to try & help Sauer recover ?

  17. I have never seen or met a third- grader who can spell better than me can spell.

  18. I know, coos. I noticed that too. Almost changed with another radio pic when I saw it … but too lazy.

  19. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ricardo – my iPad was unable to get the radio feed…how was it?

  20. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Seriously the guy who invented it says it has helped his daughter who has Cerebral Palsy.

  21. “Just because we’re kids
    Because we’re kind of small
    Because we’re closer to the ground
    And you’re much bigger pound for pound
    You got no right
    You got no right
    To boss and shove us little kids around.”

  22. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Hopefully it will be intermission at 9:30 so I can listen Carp. BTW 540 am is a rinky dink station had to hold the antenna to listen to you Carp. But it was worth it ! ;-)

  23. “Just because you’ve got whiskers on your face to shave
    You treat us like a slave
    So what? That’s only hair
    And because you got a wallet near your heart
    You think you’re twice as smart
    You know, that isn’t fair.”

  24. still get goosebumps every time I hear the anthem in Chicago. Better in the old Stadium with Wayne Messmer, I thought, but still awesome.

    Joey Kocur used to talk about looking across and seeing Al Secord’s nostrils flaring.

  25. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Lovely Ria, meter maid, nothing will come between us, wont you have some tea?

  26. Ria- read the article…would be interested to hear what sid has to say . To me it sounds odd to be spinning with an injury , perhaps it helps to exercise the brain and initiate healing??

  27. did you guys see Tiger shot 44 on the front yesterday. Hahaha. I shot the same thing on the front Friday.

  28. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bach’s organ works are off the hook. There was a classical radio station I used to listen to that played 2 hrs of JS Bach’s organ pieces every Friday starting at midnight. I’d turn off the lights and meditate….

  29. Half scared me to death twice, but I’m still here. What’s up with that? Zeno’s Paradox.

  30. And, Carp, unless you were playing WF or Quaker Ridge, he had much better fairway lies all day than you did.

  31. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – Zeno called the race between turtle and rabbit on radio Greek like it was Alydar and affirmed… And down the stretch them come…

  32. exactly, e3! Was worried that some here might think Zeno was a Penguin defenseman. :)

  33. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Boston vs Chicago – original 6 match up for the cup – would be special.

    Rangers got a bad draw.. Could have been rangers hawks…

  34. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Discrete vs continuous. Digital vs Analog. Spectrum analysis. Fast Fourier Transforms. The beat goes on….

  35. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Tays and Sharp are special. Sharp is the least talked about of the four, but I think he might be the best…

  36. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – FFTs are special mathematics….I’ll tell you a great Fourier story sometime…

  37. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Eddie x 3
    Hate to disagree with a well versed individual like yourself, but on the last thread you said we would be the first organization to be run by dead people. That is incorrect, an Al Davis hologram was used to run the raiders for about 9 years after he died ;)

  38. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Wicky – good one. But Al Davis died in 1958. Their hologram goes way back.

  39. Amnesia and Deja vu at the same time? Feels like it’s happened to me before but I really can’t remember for sure.

  40. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Ranger head coach pavel bure. No Russian player would ever score against the rangers for fear of the Russian mafia.

  41. eddie eddie eddie on

    if the rangers played in the west, it would be rangers vs bruins in the finals….rangers in 6.

  42. If the Rangers played in the West, I would have to give up late night blogging or watching their games. Couldn’t do both.

  43. Papa’s welcome humor has returned! Dwelled in doldrums for a period after our ouster. Can’t keep a good -bare- -beer- bear down.

  44. Papa prospered in his time,
    well he may and he may decline.
    Did it matter, does it now?
    Papa would answer if he only knew how.

    Wishing well with a golden bell,
    bucket hanging clear to hell,
    Hell halfway twixt now and then,
    Papa fill it up and lower down again.

  45. Admiral Akbar on

    Those Hocks are for real!

    (So are Bach’s organ works- or ANY of his works for that matter!)

  46. Admiral Akbar on

    A Hocks-Broons Final would be superb…

    Would love to see Skidsburgh dumped by Boston Broons – it would take some of the steam out of the Fishsticks’ “great accomplishment” (taking Skidsburgh to 6 games)…..

  47. Coos, I am psyched for the return of MM.

    An Angel of the lord came to me in my sleep this past night. He appeared as Penolope Cruz and said with a slight Spanish accent,

    “Padre Bear, If there is anyone able to lead this team to their destiny and the Cup, it will be the El Capitano and Senor Beukeboom.”

  48. Admiral Akbar on

    If Skidsburgh loses to the Broons, Say Bye to Bylsma…

    And Tortorella will be in the running for penguins coach–that would be some way to stick it to the the rangers and their players.

  49. eddie eddie eddie on

    i fell into a burning ring of fire
    went down down down and the flame got higher
    it burns burns burns that ring of fire, that ring of fire.

  50. eddie eddie eddie on

    AA – Bach’s harpsichord rips too….i love the Baroque Big Three of JS, Handel, and Vivaldi…

  51. eddie eddie eddie on

    the taste of love is bittersweet, when hearts like ours meet
    i fell for you like a child, oh but the fire got wild…

  52. Admiral Akbar on

    Eddie III —

    Yeah, Telemann was pretty hip, too.

    Bach’s Harpsichord works are phenomenal. Glen Gould’s rendition (on piano) “the Goldberg Variations” is a classic.

    Hocks are Flying High

  53. eddie eddie eddie on

    AA – Crosby and malkin would welcome the wall ball and dump and chase….and there is no better netminder duo in the world than Vo Coon and MAF

  54. Admiral, I guess I have a thing for dark eyed shapely -women- Angels who talk with slight Spanish accents.

  55. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Love it!!

    Carpy on radio trashing Slather’s record.

    Wonder if he is going to chant:


  56. eddie eddie eddie on

    my wife plays piano and JSB is her fav…she often regales me with his work…

  57. eddie eddie eddie on

    JS Bach is religion. To hear it played in a cathedral is spiritual….

  58. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Carpy is handling himself like a pro!! Ata boy, Carpy!!!

  59. Here’s a quote from Dave Maloney that I saw in Andrew Gross’ column for The Record: “I think it’s telling that catchers and goaltenders make good coaches. You have a greater understanding of the game when you have it front of you.” If that’s the case, maybe Mr. Maloney should throw his hat in the ring for the Rangers’ vacant coaching position. He’s had the game in front of him for the last few years. Maybe he would be a good candidate.

  60. eddie eddie eddie on

    watch – carp’s press pass will be revoked and he will have to buy his tickets…

  61. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    I have to say, I agree with everything Carpy just said in that interview. I’d like to believe I am an independent thinker and come at it from a totally different vantage point, as a fan.

    Sather may have treated part of the illness on this team by firing Torts. Not having access to the locker room, I admit I don’t know. I don’t think the timing was smart, especially after one of the best coaching jobs this team has ever seen, last year, with a team NO ONE expected to go anywhere at the beginning of the year (because of the inconsistent job done by the 11 year GM).

    But if there is widespread cancer it is caused by Sather’s logic defying poor record for FA signings, some trades, luke warm drafts, and coach choices. If the team needs chemotherapy, do it. Get rid of the source.

    That is Sather.

  62. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Seedubb, but here’s what’s different on Kopitar. His legs are moving. He is making defensive plays. He understands what to do out there.

    All those things left Richards this year. Kopitar is still a great player and the goals will come.

  63. eddie eddie eddie on

    john Jay, here to stay, always pray, fay wray, gotta say, every day, month of may, power play, what i pay?, by the docks in the bay, okay?


  64. eddie eddie eddie on

    kate upton is with pee diddy now…..that girl make more rounds than a nursing staff…

  65. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    The new CBA should have a provision whereby if a team needs to buy a buyout they can do so for, let’s say, $10M.

    I have a feeling (why, I don’t know) that we could possibly need to buy a buyout over the next year or so. Just a Drury-Holik-Gomez-Brashear-Redden-Kasparitis-Roszival type feeling.

    What happens when our GM makes his next catastrophic mistake?

  66. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Manny, to be fair, Hank let up 5 against Boston in one game. Chicago is a very skilled team and 3 of the 4 were pretty nice shots.

    Prust saying.

  67. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    I’m thinking he’ll go for Iginla, 5 years, $8M.

    He’ll be only 40 at contract’s end.

  68. No, I did not. J is just my middle initial. I used to love to watch that Eddie J. play, though. One of my all-time favorites.

  69. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Nik Antropov, 7 years, $6M.

    High caliber crease presence and HOF scorer.

  70. Matty, agreed. Maybe everybody’s favorite GM can trade Richards for Kopitar, straight up. Maybe they include Penner too.

  71. eddie eddie eddie on

    eddie J. – no doubt…he was one tough lil bugger….and a great beak to boot…

  72. Yeah, my dad and I used to call him “The Witch”. When he was on the ice with no teeth and that crooked nose… well, all he needed was the pointed hat.

  73. eddie eddie eddie on

    eddiej – you prolly say me play too…i was in goal till ’75 when i was released….

  74. Olga Folkyerself on

    If Eddie Johnstone ever followed his nose, he’d get lost in a closet.

  75. eddie eddie eddie on

    sam rosen interviewing marchand and eddie J. – talk about a wide angle…

  76. eddie eddie eddie on

    opening puck drop…..Eddie J in the face off circle with marchand….each at their own blue line

  77. Actually, Johnstone looked like he HAD played in the net before they wore masks. Come to think of it, if I’m not mistaken, Eddie G didn’t wear a mask in the beginning of his career, and HIS face wasn’t that messed up!

  78. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    The fellow that interviewed Carp said something quite intelligent after Carp was off.

    He was talking about playing ‘intensity’ and ‘toughness’ and talking about certain guys that incite fear in the opposition, guys like Lucic, Bickel (Chicago, not NYR), Burns (SJ), etc.

    He then went on to discuss the way that Lucic hit Stralman, he knew he was out, at least for the game. We have no one, constituted as were are, that can check like that. Instill fear.

    Beyond that, teams are not afraid of our checking. We may check a lot, but when it’s fleas like Hags, Cally, Zucc’s, MDZ, even Staal (who he rightly called ‘lanky’) ,etc., they’re not to be feared. They can’t hurt you. Or, Boyle or Nash, Pyatt, they are bigger, but won’t hurt you.

  79. eddie eddie eddie on

    eddie J – that is because my glove hand was cat like quick……i once caught a fly in my hand before it came into my house…

  80. eddie eddie eddie on

    and given momentum is mass times velocity….or force is mass times acceleration…….and since pyatt and boyle skate at no miles per hour…….you arent likely to see much action/reaction there either…

  81. eddie eddie eddie on

    kings in 6….hawks lucky they arent playing the rangers…it would be back to the garden with a ranger 2-0 lead

  82. eddie eddie eddie on

    olga – the Ambassador Hotel was torn down a few years ago…..I drove my it many times…always wanted to go in and check it out…

  83. Olga Folkyerself on

    Sutter post game interview…

    Hubba dubba, Quicka flubba, got no dubbya, Mubba Fubber!

  84. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Well, I picked Kings in 6, Pitt in 5.

    You can count on it!!

  85. eddie eddie eddie on

    olga – sutter is priceless..

    “hubba wubba doooba toooba rumba dumba sumba zoo”

  86. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Was really surprised to see that Matt Cooke got no supplemental discipline for his hit on McQuaid.


    After all, as Blysema said, Cooke has totally changed his game. He just plays hard now. No cheap, illegal hits.

  87. eddie eddie eddie on

    olga – i think there were 14 bullet holes….making sirhan cubed in need of a wingman

  88. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Mario: “Shanny, uh…we are trying to make it look like…I mean have everyone think…uh….really, Matt didn’t mean it, know what I mean? He really is a good guy, ok??

    Shanahahahahahahan: “NP, Boss. Got you covered. From what I can see anyway, he is a clean player. No record I can see.”

  89. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Nathan Horton. 7 years, $8M per.

    After all, he’s only 28.

  90. eddie eddie eddie on

    Joel Quennville – sometimes spontaneous combustion happens…you cant forecast and predict that kind of thing”

    ergo the spontaneous part…

  91. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Ah, Pascal Dupuis is available. There’s a mistake waiting to happen.

    Someone will be dumb enough to double his $1.5M to $3.0 and be so surprised when he does nothing without Syd and Evelyn.

    Let’s sign him for 4 years.

  92. eddie eddie eddie on

    olga – that and the flash burns were on the back of RFK’s neck while sirhan cubed was always in front of him….

  93. Carp

    Enjoyed both interviews tonight. They both really makes me think…

    The abruptness of the Torts firing is so perplexing. Do you think Sather overreacted or was he left with no choice? Katie Strang did report that John Tortorella signed an extension this year and all indications were that he would be year for the next few seasons. Do you think Sather was facing an ultimatum from Lundqvist? “It’s me or the carseat…”

    To me, that seems like the most likely scenario…

  94. Pretty sure Tortorella had his last extension two years ago, and that next season is the last on the three-year deal. I could be wrong (have been once before, I think).

    IMO, there was certainly some degree of mutiny. I’m not ready to single out Lundqvist until I know more.

  95. eddie eddie eddie on

    nyrfan – cant believe it was only hank…..i bet many others – when pressed – opened up and spilled the beans….he wore out his welcome….time to move on…dont be a delusional torts lover

  96. I’m not singling out Lundqvist but I am ruling out nearly everyone else on the team (except maybe Richards) because I’m almost sure Sather wouldn’t listen to anyone else. Sather is one arrogant son of a b.

  97. eddie eddie eddie on

    I think hank may have been the first…. it said to sather – ask others what they think – and press them….push came to shove and the truth came out…i read somewhere – Dreger or Mackenzie – “dont ask messier his thoughts if you want to hear positives about torts…”

  98. eddie eddie eddie on

    nyrfan – i bet sather had input on benching richards,,,how could anyone watch richards play during these playoffs and even remotely ompressed by what you were seeing….he was awful

  99. Obviously, we don’t know. I’m just making my best guess…

    I think it’s safe to say that it wasn’t anywhere near a unanimous decision…

    It’s obvious that Henrik complained to Avery (Avery’s one and only friend on the Rangers as Andrew Gross said tonight) about Torts…

    I guess I am delusional…

  100. eddie eddie eddie on

    nyrfan – now you know how i felt after avery was dispatched,,,sucks doesnt it?

  101. Olga Folkyerself on

    Torts= tiny tubers (Small potatoes)
    Getting rid of Stogypuss should be Job 1.

  102. Henrik (strangely) is in business with Avery. I doubt that he would be happy for anyone to think that Avery (with his propensity for caustic comments) speaks for him or blurts tweets or grumbles insider info to the Press, because fingers would (and did) come pointing right back to him.
    Players (and Henrik) might well have been unhappy with T, but I still have the suspicion that Torts made some sudden comments or demands that drove Sather off the handle.

  103. “I’m tired of putting up With your sober ways
    Tired of looking at you through an alcoholic haze
    You better change, I’m begging you please
    ’cause if you don’t start drinkin’
    I’m gonna leave.”

  104. sather said he was in on benching Richards.

    Sather better not screw up this next one…….

  105. Good morning, boneheads!

    Two great matchups. Always felt that the best hockey is played during CFs. No exception this year. Looking forward to tonight’s game. Matt Cooke shouldn’t be playing hockey at any level, IMO, but he is back tonight. Shocker.

  106. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Matt Cooke cleanest guy in hockey. Carl Hagelin is the guy that ‘boards to hurt’ people.

  107. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    I didn’t realize that Mess was making negative comments about Torts. Missing piece of puzzle coming together for me.

    Again, game3 Boston, I was just under and able to look in the box up above that had what appeared to be just Sather and Mess in it. Those two seemed to be ‘working well together’ with smiles, chat, etc. Visible.

    Mess and his ego may have more a part of this than, at least, I though initially. BTW, I love Mess. Will not forget what he did for us. Ever. But, he supposedly is pretty,,,,,self-important.

  108. Ryane Clowe@ryaneclowe29
    “I thought Handzus was too slow? Speed is great in late march, little different game in early June.”

  109. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Actually, Raffi Torres, all things considered, he is a changed man. Only head hunts once every 4 months. Sometimes guys just get in his way, too.

  110. Matty "HopeNashIsMonsterInYear2"Boy on

    Chris Neill?

    Good guy. Hagelin’s hit was much worse than anything Neil could do. Really he is committed to being a solid hockey player, passing, shooting, and only an occasional mugging, high elbow, hard board, or open ice high check, like to Brian Boyle that takes him out for 2-3 weeks. Nothing of the gravity of what a player like Carl Hageling, a really dirty player, will do. The hit on Boyle that concussed him in last year’s playoffs, points to what must be a medical condition that Boyle has. Weak chin, or something.. That, of course, was a fair hit, given that little weasel, Hagelin repeatedly attacked Alfie.

  111. When it comes to Messier – i wouldnt ever bet against the guy, especially if he was teamed with a more tactically aware assistant coach. Messier would instantly demand respect and players would listen to him and play for him, all he needs is an experienced coach or two on his team behind the bench and it could work nicely.

  112. Clowe is right. It’s a different game in June. Oftentimes the players who aren’t mentioned among the elite names emerge as elite players during playoffs. Patrick Sharp has been the best player in WC, David Krejci in the East.

  113. I do not know about Dustin Penner, but they should seriously consider signing Bryan Bickell next year.

  114. I like Bickell. Kid is tough, can score, has size, etc. Full package for 3rd line.

    I am also into signing Maxim LaPierre. I know some people around here don’t like him. But I do.

    I guess we have to wait to see who coaches and what system we are going to have.

    Anybody, other than Wicky, want to trade Staal to Carolina?

  115. Rob in Beantown on

    I’d trade Staal to Carolina in an instant if it looks at all like his eye will keep him from being 100% the player he was before the injury. And if he wants to go to Carolina anyway I’d trade him before that so we something back.

  116. Man. This place is JUMPIN’ today!

    You can’t get any of the Staal boys back. It defeats the purpose.

  117. Admit it, as much as our brain says Messier is a bad move, another part of us wants to see him and that stare behind the bench.

  118. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ilb – mckenzie in one of Strang’s pieces or Sdny pieces said “don’t talk to messier if you want to hear positives about Torts” if I get a chance I’ll hunt it down…

  119. Not surprising Mess would not be a fan of Torts style, especially his manner of berating his own team. From what ive read over the years Mess led by example and when he spoke it was with positive reinforcement and constructive critique.

  120. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ilb – may 30, SNY Rangers – article “why torts is no longer coach of the rangers'” I can’t link it from my iPhone.

    It was MacKenzie….

  121. I think that if Messier is the head coach this team is about to go from Suck to Blow.

  122. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    I don’t want any members of the ’94 team any where near the bench..
    Even though they have something to do with the rangers it seems to be a bit role behind the scenes.. maybe they should read Lou from Newark’s book, “how to find a coach for dummies “

  123. @wyshynski Reports are that Vokoun was the first goalie off the ice, which means Fleury will start Game 3. #Pessimist #BostonJuggernaut

  124. Rob in Beantown on

    Manny, I have no idea who I’d want back for Staal. Why do you make me think through my fantasy GM trades? JUST TRADE EVERYBODY

  125. Everything I see about Messier being coach says what great emotion and intensity he has. Nothing says he understands how to coach hockey. And as people pointed out, he didn’t do a great job teaching our boys face offs or PP when he helped out there.

    I’m not excited about the prospect of him becoming coach. I’m also not excited about Lindy Ruff. Sigh….

  126. Rob in Beantown on

    Did Vokoun look _that_ bad in Game 1? Three goals on 30 shots isn’t absolutely dreadful. His save percentage is .937 and 1.98 GAA in the playoffs. At the risk of going down 2 games to none I’d stick with him over Fleury.

  127. Messier, more than any other was responsinble for ending the drought in 94. It was his experience, his skill and effort, his focus, his leadership, his ability to nurture younger players, his ability to deflect pressure and act as a buffer for his teammates, his ability to bring out the best in his teamates and to genuinely place value in the efforts of all contributors. Did he not exhibit coaching qualities and traits while he was playing?

    To those who doubt him merely because of his “coaching inexperience”, how do you think his former teamates would feel about his qualifications to coach in the NHL? Would they sanction his selection as coach of the NYR?

    If it’s concerns over X’s and O’s, ( which I dont really believe is justifiable, considering his track record) can he not surround himself with those who will help him become more versed in tactics and strategies?

    The man is unique. He is a communicator, a leader, a motivator, with a winning track record. I would caution about making comparisons to other star players who were unable to transition successfully into coaching. It’s about desire and commitment, and if he is stepping forward, is there any doubt that he will be putting in the time and effort necessary to coach in the NHL?

    Considering all the re-treads and upstarts whose names are being floated, IMO, for this team, right now Messier is the guy I would like to see follow Torts.

  128. eddie eddie eddie on

    There are some things you can’t cover up with lipstick and powder
    I thought I heard you mention my name, cant you talk any louder
    come any closer, dont come any nearer

  129. eddie eddie eddie on

    Papa – darryl sutter is a former player…what has he ever done? not like he won a cup last year or ever!!!

  130. eddie eddie eddie on

    a little ditty for slats

    Mother, Father, I’m here in the zoo
    I can’t come home ’cause I’ve grown up too soon
    I got my sentence
    I got my command
    They said they’d make me major if I met all their demands
    I could be a corp’ral into corp’ral punishment
    Or the gen’ral manager of a large establishment
    They pat some good boys on the back and put some to the rod
    But I never thought they’d put me in the

    Goon squad
    They’ve come to look you over and they’re giving you the eye
    Goon squad
    They want you to come out to play
    You’d better say goodbye

  131. eddie eddie eddie on

    ilb -

  132. eddie eddie eddie on

    On TSN Radio yesterday, Bob McKenzie said that there are two reasons why John Tortorella is no longer the coach of the Rangers:

    “Glen Sather did not like the style that John Tortorella’s team was playing. The style this year was different than it was last year. Last year it was more of a puck possession team that spent more time in the other team’s zone wearing them down. For some reason, personnel, approach or vice versa, they spent more time in their own end collapsing and playing without the puck”
    Glen Sather did not like the approach of the team and the major players let it be known either publicly or privately, “we are all Tort’sd out. We have given all we can. We aren’t having fun and a change needs to be made.”
    McKenzie also notes that Tortorella’s stubborn style may have finally worn out it’s welcome and that “I’m sure if you talk to Mark Messier in the Rangers organization, you aren’t going to get a favorable response” if asked about Tortorella.

    It was mentioned in 2010 that there was a rift between Tortorella and Messier.

    Messier worked with Tortorella and the coaching staff on faceoffs during the 2010-11 season

  133. I am not on the Messier bandwagon at all. Tippett would be my first choice, but the Yotes are not giving teams permission to talk to him. They fully intend to bring him back.

    However, when it comes to the x’s and o’s, if I am not mistaken, Colin Campbell handled all of that when Keenan was coach. Keenan was primarily playing mind games and messing with the roster and lineups, but Campbell was the guy dealing with strategy and game plan.

  134. What’s worse, Sather’s FA signing or his choices for head coaching position? New poll, Carp? :)

  135. “Messier: Did he not exhibit coaching qualities and traits while he was playing?”

    Not really. Consider the impact he had on teams once his skill dropped off.

    He has had a lot of opportunity to cut his teeth in the coaching game. I have ALWAYS wondered how Wayne Gretzky ended up coaching and Mark Messier never took it up, it seemed such a natural role for him, to transition into another form of leading men.

    But here and now is not where you start. It’s just wrong, there’s nothing that feels right about bringing Messier in.

    And the sick part of me wants to see it just because it would put an egg load on the faces of Dolan, Sather, Lundqvist, & Messier himself. The people who chased a winning coach right out of town.

  136. Rob in Beantown on

    _However, when it comes to the x’s and o’s, if I am not mistaken, Colin Campbell handled all of that when Keenan was coach. Keenan was primarily playing mind games and messing with the roster and lineups, but Campbell was the guy dealing with strategy and game plan._

    It’s interesting you say that, because I’ve read interviews with Keenan where he was asked “what did you say to the team in the locker room” during some of the big games and Keenan basically said he said nothing, Messier did all the talking.

  137. Please dont overpay for bryan bickell. He fits perfectly in Chicago and whoever gives him 3.5 to 4 mil will have another ville leino on there hands. I hope with this ufa class we take a look away as it is the worst in recent memory.

    One guy I would look to bring in though is Ron hainsey. Provide 3rd pair help immediately.

  138. I didn’t say Keenan was inspiring people to victory, I said he was responsible for the mind games. I appreciate Keenan for the cup, but I was never a fan of his.

    I have zero idea if Mess would make a good coach. Sometimes, though, the best leader is the one that surrounds himself with even smarter people. If Mess can get a really good staff with him, it may not be a disaster. In all reality, I am really trying to find the positive in what I believe will be the eventual hiring of Messier. I don’t think it is the wisest move to make, but nobody from the Rangers has been knocking on my door for advice.

  139. Bickell is not getting $3M+. Someone will give him something like $1.4 or $1.2. Those are reasonable numbers.

  140. Carp interesting point about Mess view of Keenan. Curious did he say that at the time they won the Cup or does he say it today?

  141. He loves Keenan, and when he went to Vancouver he got Renney fired and Keenan hired there. …

    even though some of his closest friends from the ’94 team despise Keenan or at the very least believe he nearly sabotaged their run, or that he belongs in a strait-jacket.

  142. Messier’s ego already had him thinking he was smarter and better at the job than Tortorella…doesn’t really seem like the kind of man that wants to be surrounded by people that might be more important than him.

    Just the fact that he suddenly is throwing his hat in the ring after neglecting so many other opportunities to coach is extremely off putting. Honestly people complaining about Tortorella’s ego…think about Messier.

  143. Salty – I wouldn’t particularly disagree on any point. The only thing that we can do is hope Mess does well if he gets hired. Just trying to put a positive spin on something that is way out of my control. There are better coaching candidates than him that are out there. I have no idea if the Rangers think the same thing.

  144. The only thing worse than having to deal with a coachless first line-less team is having to spend the summer rehashing the ideas of Messier coming back into a spot light position and reliving the drama of the past.

  145. I anxiously awaited the Red Wedding for years after reading the Game of Thrones books.

    Last night’s episode was epic. They even deviated from the books and killed Robb’s wife.

    The killings were gruesome. Those pesky Lannisters.

    Who views GoT?

  146. Isn’t Messier involved with building the largest ice skating facility in the world? Some old armory that they are converting. I think, or hope that he realizes he has too much going on already in his life to drop all that and take over as head coach.

    You can’t say that Tort’s wasn’t dedicated.

  147. Rob in Beantown on

    I already watched the episode, but no spoilers for people who didn’t!!

  148. Let’s be honest- we ALL think we are smarter than the coach at certain times. I don’t believe mess would purposely not surround himself with smart assistants,in fact I see him doing whatever he feels would help us win .
    Isn’t that what he always has done?? I’m also not sure he is the man for the job right now ..but another retread will make me feel we should have just continued with tortorella.

  149. JamesG.

    Instead of rehashing the good old days of 94, why not instead talk all summer long about the number of Cups that have been won by the “experienced” NHL coaches who are being floated as possible hires for the Ranger job? Or the Cups won by the next coaching wonder wiz yet to be imported from the AHL or NC2A?

    When that part of conversation dries up, maybe we can make the conversation more revelant about what’s in store going forward. Like how -un-familar these re-tread coaches are with 1) current Ranger players and prospects? 2) Ranger Management and the organization as a whole? 3) Ranger ownership? 3) living in New York City? 4) the high demands and pressures a coach will have in dealing with the media?

    If they go outside the organization, there will be lots to talk about for sure. :)

  150. dc, I like what you’re saying there. You may be right and he brings in a good supporting cast, it could work. If not? well we have all become pretty good at “waiting for next year”

  151. Papa, all good points too. I have been swayed. Plus it sure seems like it’s going in the Captains direction.

  152. Rob in Beantown on

    At this point it seems like its Messier or the field, and Messier wants the job. And Sather’s offered it to him before.

  153. SeeDubb, I don’t see any Scotty Bowman’s or Toe Blake’s among the group of re-treads being discussed.

  154. Why would anyone consider turning over the team to Mess? Because he was the captain of the team that won the cup in 94? How does that make you qualified to coach? The guy has ZERO coaching experience (except maybe his sons peewee team, which I think his dad actually coached) This isn’t a beer league or some old timers league for retired HOFers – it’s the NHL. Since 1994 the style is different, the rules are different, the speed is different, team constraints are different(cap) – the list goes on.
    Could he be a good coach, my guess is yes – over time. But at what cost and how much timeif he gets the job now? If he really wants to coach, go learn something and prove yourself in Hartford, but please not the Garden. Plenty of smart players from his era are now behind the bench in some capacity, but they didn’t jump from the suit seats to directly running things behind the bench. What makes anybody think he could lead this team any better then Torts or Renney – because he won a cup for the NYR 19 years ago? Please, being a great player doesn’t mean he will be a great coach. And the players will only respect him behind the bench if he is a good coach, not just because he is Mark Messier.
    I don’t know who out there is better they could currently get, but I would still go with anyone over a guy with ZERO coaching experience. That is anybody except Keenan. Could we please stop living in the past already, that ship has sailed so long ago it’s but a distant memory.

  155. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    On Keenan, I can tell you that Carp, again, is dead on. Having been around one of them, his disdain for Keenan was strong. In fact, to this day, I remember his comment:

    “Keenan was not an x’s and o’s type guy. It wasn’t his thing”.

  156. Risk / Reward

    The conventional and safest choice is to bring in a coaching re-tread. There is considerably more risk in a decision to hire Messier.

    The lack of quality in the group of safe choices (re-treads) leads me to the choice with higher risk (Messier).

  157. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Totally different sport, totally playing devil’s advocate…I am not a fan of THe Mess being our head coach, but what training did Joe Girardi, current Yankees manager have?????

  158. Head coaches generally love assistants who are brilliant, good road company, and also have no interest in usurping their jobs.

  159. Yankees Manager is playing by different set of rules – what cap space does his GM work with?
    You really comparing baseball which has had how many rule changes over the last 10, 20, 50 years – compared to hockey which likes to change things every year! Please, if we are talking hockey, stick with comparing hockey.

  160. Cross Check Charlie on

    I think the real problem is that none of us have the confidence that Glen Sather would be hiring Messier because he really believes Mess would be a good coach or because they’re buddies.

  161. Mattingly struggling desperately with great googamooga, uber expensive talent. Just sayin’.

  162. Sorry Matty, didn’t mean for it to come across that way. But I think you get my point.

  163. I understand that there are many more valid, current and textbook examples which would argue you never hire a coach who has no coaching experience. That was my first reaction to the Messier conversation.

    However, I believe there are exceptions to every rule, and with this set of variables, especially with what I believe to be a lack of candidates who might prosper in this particular circumstance.

    All things being equal, i guess you hire the coach with experience. However, with this group of candidates being discussed, I’d rather hire Messier. Now, if Babcock or Claude Julien become available, I do reserve the right to change my mind.

  164. Girardi was a bench coach for Torre and a was a manager when the Yankees hired him. I know you know that, and probably meant what training did he have when he first became a manager. So, bench coach.

  165. Cross Check Charlie on

    Yeah, Carp, but how hard is it coach a plank of wood for the guys to sit on?

  166. If Messier ever had offered Torts even a modicum of good advice, Torts would have said, (and might have said) “stop coaching, Mess.” Wouldn’t put it past him to say the same thing to Slats. Any wonder his best friends, beginning to end, were dogs?

  167. and in defense of hiring Messier, and I think it’s a huge gamble, I know he has no experience, but Sather knows him for his entire adult life, like 34-35 years.

  168. lmgo, CCC.

    Wonder if Messier’s disdain for Tortorella, if it’s real, has to do with Torts never wanting him involved in the PP, for example, or on the ice at all.

  169. I would have no problem with #11 taking over for Mike Sullivan. So there you go, give him that job.

  170. Cross Check Charlie on

    And, Carp, that’s the problem right there in that their relationship would be something that is part of the decision rather than a fair critique if he would make a good coach.

  171. I also think the argument can be presented that the ability to coach is a trait which is hatched, nurtured and reared to a signifigsnt degree during an athletes active playing career.

  172. When I was younger, I used to think that I might know all the answers.

    Now I’m older and I know that I might not have all the answers.


  173. Mess and Leetch should be player coaches, each getting 8 minutes a game. They’d be more productive in that time than most 4th liners. At least throw some elbows and keep the puck moving in the O zone better than most

  174. Torts cannot keep collecting checks if he badmouths anything to do with MSG. If he could, NY Post headline might read: TORTS SAYS HE HAS TAPES OF MESS, SATHER SABOTAGING HIM, TEAM.

  175. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    All this talk about a coach…
    I don’t care if Toe Blake is coaching.. they still lack talent , Tort’s could only squeeze so
    many wins out these lemons..

    So how many wins will the next coach squeeze with this roster?

  176. Am I wrong in thinking that a head coach will/should be named before the draft?

  177. Hey Carp, just my gut, but I don’t think Messier has the personality or make-up to be in a subordinate role like an assistant coach. What do you think?

  178. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    IMO , messier doesn’t have a right to be on the ice unless he’s asked by the coach..
    It’s like an admission of incompetence by a coach , “Mess , I don’t have a clue , can you fix the PP ?”

  179. “and in defense of hiring Messier, and I think it’s a huge gamble, I know he has no experience, but Sather knows him for his entire adult life, like 34-35 years.”

    Carp, I know it’s not the same by any stretch. but this sounds a little like the road Torts and Richards travel on. They both might be a little blinded by days and accomplishments from times long ago and when circumstances or roles were different.

  180. Rob in Beantown on

    Papa Bear, I agree with you 100%. I don’t think Messier could be an assistant coach at the NHL level. But I think that fact makes it odd that he’s been “special assistant to the President” or whatever for how many years now? Maybe the job has more prestige than the title makes it sound like, but I’ve always thought it was a weird role for an alpha guy like him.

  181. Conducting an honest and genuine self-assessment and evaluation that may end up identifying weakness and the need to ask for help from another does not strike me as being either a major or minor component of the DNA of former NYR coach Toterella.

  182. Rob, LOL.

    Slats and Mess have, by most accounts I have read, a very strong mentor / protege relationship. Complete respect and reverence for Sather by Messier.

  183. It makes for lively debate, but as someone mentioned earlier, if you don’t have the -Richards- horses……….

  184. Papa you make some very valid points in the case for Messier. I too had an initial negative reaction but am now open to it for many of the reasons you posted.

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