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  1. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    Are the questions prescreened ? and what’s the time lag ? FOIST

  2. Carp, a early report on the Bleacher Report about players wanting Torts fired was jus as quickly removed.

    Are you able to shed any light on the resident “losers” who are hiding behind the coaching issues?

  3. Read Brooks comments as well as the “Rotter report” and if accurate these pansies don’t deserve to be called professionals or honest.

    The audacity to complain about the coach’s methods and try to blame the pitiful performance by most of these weenies defies the facts and logic for anyone who has watched this group of underperformers all year!

  4. Wrong place for this note perhaps, but I have a break in the action to add about Allain: he’s also a Yale graduate (’80), which doesn’t hurt. I do hope that we get a “left field” candidate like Allain, and not a retread, though the latter group produces winners, too. Joe Torre comes to mind among others.

  5. jpg's sister on

    olb from prevous thread totally agree about torts

    hoping for the best 2013-2014 LGR

  6. Doubt very much that any of these kids walks into Slat’s office without an invitation. (Henrik might be an exception, but doubt he would either to complain so close to the final defeat.)

  7. I’ve complained about bosses before because I’m a human being who does human being things.

  8. I think Torts signed his death warrant after publicly dissing his owner during late last year Presser. Getting away with his arrogance only stoked the oven for his further arrogance. If he got to the finals, they would have put up with him. As things shook out, Sather pushed the dark button on the toaster and tossed him in. Wouldn’t be surprised if the little Emperor told Slats to do something that was not only malapropos but also biologically impossible just before the button was pushed.

  9. Oh man oh man. Tyler Bozak and Damien Brunner are the only two UFA forwards under 30 to average better than 0.50 points per game. Wow. Hopefully the amnesties flood the market like they should and make it deeper.

  10. that all said, coos, he got away with it with a 51-win, ECF season … and yet he was still coming back for 2013-14 as of Monday.

  11. coos
    if you paid attention to Carp
    or other media sources
    Slats wasn’t ready to fire Torts
    until AFTER Monday.
    so many are shocked because it didn’t seem as if Torts
    was going anywhere other than back to Rangers training facility to plan on next year
    then players started showing up to b***h and Slats
    made a switcheroo

  12. Lloyd Braun on

    hey Carp do you remember Tortorella acting like a bully at all during his first stint with the Rangers? I know he was an assistant and only a head coach for a few games, but was there any evidence of the behavior he’d show later on in Tampa?

  13. Carp – Your astute framing of time and fact, worthy of Sherlock, narrows it all down to only a couple of possibilities. Either players vociferously rebelled (unlikely) or Torts got smartmouth one time too often and Slats snapped. ??

  14. Chris Nilan is not as tough as he used to be. Lord and Taylor employees overpowered him and found a Tommy Bahama swimsuit under his civvies. He was quoted as saying to the judge, “Hey, I was just trying to save a few bucks.” Priceless.

  15. Hey, jpg, I’ve heard enough wiseguy talk from you and I’m sure I’m not the only one.

  16. Doodie Machetto on

    But holy crap, I could barely understand anything Nilan said. It was like all I heard was “BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSTAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHN!!!”

  17. Norm Merton on

    Whoever takes the reins this summer needs to make it his first de-Torts job to school his in-zone players to maximize the percentage of shots Lundqvist can see, and to make sure he rarely has to leave the net. The team needs to see far fewer of this season’s run-around, shooting-gallery, tip-drill sequences where the wings are perpetually a step too late to their [uncovered] points. The opposing D need to feel there is an actual risk involved in their creeping closer and closer to the net.

  18. Stranger Nation on

    Love the way Slats passes accountability from Torts to the players, while all the time leaving him out of the picture frame.

    Very convenient…

  19. Nilan is a little crispy and I don’t mean from punches either if you catch my drift.

  20. Sioux-per-man on

    Anyone have a replay of Carp’s interview. I couldn’t get the radio to work on my computer?

  21. Lloyd Braun on

    seems very likely that players complained about Tortorella and that the image of everybody loving to play for him was grossly exaggerated, but which guys on the current roster who would be at least superficially likely to b***h about Tortorella have the clout to get a coach fired? Lundqvist is obvious but who else? Callahan is painted as a company man through and through. Nash is making a lot of money but it seems unlikely he’d have that kind of sway (especially after a middling season). I don’t know anything about Staal or Girardi – they don’t exactly strike as the kind of guys who’d complain to management. Only other guy who seems even a possible suspect is Richards but if you’re going to fire a coach at the insistence of Brad Richards, you wouldn’t buy him out, would you?

  22. that wasn’t close to my being a
    wiseacre
    besides,
    can’t help that
    it’s in the blood.
    ask anyone that knows me
    or even strangers that don’t

  23. Sioux-per-man on

    I wonder if the Rangers will bring in Patrick for a defensive coach. He would be a perfect fit, he was a Siouxper player for the Rangers for over 10 years. You would think he could help develop the youth on the Blue line.

  24. Sioux-per-man on

    Toews vs Greene? Toews wins this one, in another 7 game series.

    Either way the Sioux will have a past captain playing for the Stanley Cup.

    Got support the Sioux in the Finals.

    Great games so far don’t you think?

  25. Rob in Beantown on

    You should have heard the blog last night. Some posters who will remain nameless were drooling over the prospect of Hank in a Blackhawks jersey. Completely shameless and disgusting.

  26. IN reference to Keith Allain, if you are going to look at a collegiate coach see if Wisconsin’s Mike Eaves would be willing to make the jump. He has pro experience as an assistant in the NHL (PHI & PITT) and as an AHL head coach (Hershey/Phi). Also spent two years as s head coach in Finland.

    I still think Tony Granato is worth kicking the tires on. He is with a team that plays an offensive style and did have a winning record in Colorado before he was let go.

  27. I love Henrik, but if he chooses to cede West Point to the British, he becomes the enemy. Might still root for him, but never against the boys.

  28. Lloyd Braun on

    is there anyway we could lure Prust back and give him the coaching job

    maybe gm too – anything the guy wants

  29. _Only other guy who seems even a possible suspect is Richards but if you’re going to fire a coach at the insistence of Brad Richards, you wouldn’t buy him out, would you?_

    [vomits]

  30. Lloyd, you never heard a peep from Tortorella the Human Being Assistant Coach under Muckler, though I’m sure he was biting his tongue with the lack of conditioning and effort, and the joke of a practice that Muckler ran (had players snickering). He was always pleasant and cordial with us, though never interviewed by the media.

    Until the day he became interim coach with four games left and then he went all ballistic about Quintal, whom they immediately suspended and sent home for comments about how he wished he signed in Montreal; and Torts first presser he started with the Original Bleepin’ Six Organization here and having some pride in the G-D logo and how that was going to be bleeping restored.

  31. Lloyd Braun on

    Carp,

    Was that last bit true about the cursing, the logo and Quintal? Speaking of which, Quintal and Lefebvre could be the two worst Rangers defensive signings (not named Redden) in team history.

  32. czechthemout!!! on

    Future hall of famer Brandon Prust will win the Adams trophy in his first season.

    Granato? Please make it stop!

  33. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – I like the idea of Messier as an assistant coach. Give him the job to copy Washington & Pittsburgh Power Play, and implement it in New York.

    Is it that simple?

  34. Sioux-per-man on

    Agreed. But…. if you’re up for a new contract, and you feel the wheels are falling off this club. Do you speak up? or Sign somewhere else that has a better chance at the cup?

    Just saying…..

  35. Did I subliminally name my daughter after Quintal because he was pretty and honest???

  36. Lloyd Braun on

    lol @ “stop being a jerk”

    could have sworn you were talking about Tortorella

  37. Serious question: If Henrik didn’t like playing for Torts and was going to choose to not play for Torts after next season one way or another, isn’t this what we’d want?

  38. Yes, absolutely true, Lloyd. He also said that day that “As an organization we all deserve to be fired.”

    And for the record, I’d take Lefebvre over three of the D-men who played in Game 5 on Saturday. Not saying much, but he wasn’t that bad.

  39. Love the way Larry Brooks hypothesizes and then spews it all out as fact. Like the Holy Ghost landed on his shoulder and whispered in his ear. Gossip is okay, but back it up with facts or admit that it is gossip.

  40. Sioux-per-man on

    If I was Sather I would call Patrick in and interview him for the Head Coach position.

    Have Patrick call Messier in as and assistant, then pick up the phone and call Dave Hakstol. Hakstol is the top coach in the NCAA’s. He could be a HUGE addition to any bench in the NHL.

    I like the idea of Sam and Joe interviewing Messier between periods.

  41. Obviously I take Hank. But I really don’t like the way in which Torts was fired. And if Hank is going to be someone that runs a team, I am scared. I don’t think that attitude ever works.

  42. CTBlueshirt on

    Yeah but he had one of those annoying Brett Favre sounding names. Not as bad as Neckar though.

  43. No, no, no. It’s spelled “Raymond Luxury Yacht” but it’s pronounced “Throat Wobbler Mangrove”

  44. Why in a million years would Messier or Leetch want to live out of a suitcase for 8 months to be an Asst. coach?

  45. Rob in Beantown on

    Carp, you said during the live chat Lundqvist is the leader of the team. Do you think he’s popular the team respects him or is he liable to have a coup against him as well? Yesterday’s events make me really unsure about a lot of things with this team…

  46. Brooksie really opened the whole can of worms by asking Henk about signing an extension though….

    And Lloyd, let me jog your memory: Willie Huber, Kevin Hatcher, Igor Ulanov, Peter Popovic, Vladimir Malakhov, Rumun, Ndur, should I go on….?

  47. I would like to nominate Sather & Junior to the “Turds Hall Of Shame”.

    My understanding of the voting process is there need be but one second followed by unanimous acclamation. Use exclamation key!

    The ceremony will be held at the waste facility closest to MSG with Mike Francesa AKA The Big S**T head hosting this gala event.

    Admission is free and remember to bring your own supply of fecal matter to throw at the two honorees as they leave the facility!

  48. I think the coaches should be Darren Turcotte, Alex Kovalev, Mike York, Brandon Dubinsky and any other of my favorite former players I’m forgeting about right now.

  49. Sioux-per-man on

    I like Torts. Still Do.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he Ended up in Columbus. HA!!!

  50. Rob in Beantown on

    I doubt he winds up in Columbus, at least while Gaborik is still there

  51. Lloyd Braun on

    Manny,

    I spent most of my teen years watching Python. Can probably quote most episodes of Flying Circus and all the films verbatim. Total nerd.

  52. Sioux-per-man on

    Only thing against Torts as coach of the Rangers, he couldn’t get the power play going.

  53. Lloyd Braun on

    I think Lefebvre and Quintal were the two softest d-men the Rangers have had in my lifetime.

    And Malakhov was decent

  54. Lloyd Braun on

    That’s far from the only thing against Tortorella as coach of the Rangers, Sioux

  55. _And if Hank is going to be someone that runs a team, I am scared. I don’t think that attitude ever works._

    Ignoring that Messier got Neilson fired right before the only Cup most of us know, I don’t really mind it. If Henrik doesn’t think he can win w/ Torts’ style, he has 3 options. Try to win somewhere else, try to win here without Torts or suck it up and try to win under Torts. He has no reason at all to do the latter once he’s a UFA, so unless you’re cool with “do what the fans want over what you want!” as sound logic, he was either leaving or staying without Torts. I want the latter.

  56. Sioux-per-man on

    Tippet as the head coach, Patrick & Hakstol as the assistants. There is one Siouxper coaching staff.

    Just a matter of time before the Rangers engrave their names on the Cup.

  57. Lloyd Braun on

    given the choice between John Tortorella and a likely multiple-Vezina-winning goaltender, I’m taking the goaltender ten times out of ten.

  58. Sioux-per-man on

    Lloyd – in hindsight if he could have coached that up to 20%, that would fix EVERY problem they had this year.

    More goals, more games won, heck a couple of power play goals vs Boston would have won the series for him.

    I’ll miss his pressers that’s for sure.

  59. You’re widely acknowledged as perhaps the best engineer in the world and your contract with General Motors is coming due. Do you tell your boss, the Press, and every car company in the world that you’re delighted to be where you are, love it, and can’t imagine working elsewhere, or do you
    hold your cards close to your vest, classily imply that nothing is forever, and let the market for your services expand? Simple as that. Doesn’t mean you hate your boss.

  60. Sioux-per-man on

    I don’t even want to think of the hurt bag the Rangers would be in without Lundqvist. It could get real ugly around here.

  61. Sioux – re: your 4:13. That would be the only reason, of course, were it to be.

  62. Lloyd Braun on

    so you’re saying the Rangers win the Stanley Cup if they have a 20% power play?

    and to go from 23rd in the league to what would have been 9th in the league and a 4.3% increase is just something I could never see happening under John Tortorella.

  63. Lloyd
    quick Malakhov story:

    went to game in Buffalo when CC was coach
    Malakhov did 3 boneheaded things that led
    to 3 goals against.
    after 3rd goal
    i kept yelling
    BENCH MALAKHOV!!!!!
    during that quiet moment when the music went off
    and play began
    finally
    Mal was nailed to the bench.
    i like to take some degree of credit for that.

    later, since i was writing for a hockey regional publication
    i went back and asked CC a question that got me a
    p****d off look.

    after that, got kicked out of team locker room by
    Beuk
    because interviews were being done in next room
    and then ended up
    interviewing Graves
    Healy and standing next to Messier during his Q&A
    finally
    was walking out of there
    when Neil Smith came by
    and i thanked him for the Cup.

  64. It was only a matter of time before Torts pulled a Lee Elia and went insane at a Presser, calling booing fans unprintable names and telling them to kiss his…

  65. Anybody have any idea about who will actually win the Bruins / Penguins series?

    I assume the goaltending edge goes to Boston. Defensive edge as well. Forwards Pittsburgh and Coaching Pitssburgh. Big wild card there could be Bruins PK against that nasty Penguins PP. Also, it seems like Crosby could draw second defensive pair. Uh Oh.

  66. Lloyd Braun on

    recall that Tortorella attempted to spear a fan four years ago. I’d hate to think what falling off the deep end would be for him.

  67. Sioux-per-man on

    Lloyd – I’m saying just have a power play that scores 1 per game (20%) makes a HUGE difference on this team.

    That one goal might give us 10 more points in the regular season. It gives us 1 maybe 2 wins in the playoffs.

    The Rangers were not that far off this year.

    Until you watch Hawks vs Kings, and Penguins vs Bruins. Then you realize the last 4 Stanley Cup Champions are playing each other, and the Rangers just are not “there” yet.

    Just they way the club brings the puck into the zone, and control it.
    How HARD the defense is to play against.
    The top players dialing it up a notch, and carrying their team to a win.
    ….. the list goes on.

    Perhaps a new coach is needed……

  68. Rob in Beantown on

    _recall that Tortorella attempted to spear a fan four years ago._

    Bahahaha. I miss Torts already.

  69. Sather says “it was not one thing” that got Torts fired. His way of telling you absolutely nothing except to slyly insinuate that the coach was wanting in multiple areas, and/or it WAS one thing.

  70. Sioux-per-man on

    Deadline here ….. I’ll see you all on the other side.

    Have a Siouxper night!!!

  71. Doodie Machetto on

    “His way of telling you absolutely nothing except to slyly insinuate that the coach was wanting in multiple areas, and/or it WAS one thing.”

    In other news, he said it was raining or it was not raining. One or the other, for sure.

  72. The next coach will have the pleasure of pairing McDonuts and Moore each with a stay at home defenseman and letting them join the offensive fray. Whoever’s judgement thought in a million years that Hamrlik and Eminger/Gilroy wouldn’t spoil a playoff run should be wheeled into a KMart parking lot and left there.

  73. Stranger Nation on

    “It was not one thing” or “It was not one guy” or “It was not anything”

    Just as long as everyone focuses on the players and the coach and not management.

  74. bull dog line on

    please no Ruff, or Granato, or Tippet. all for different reasons. strangely, I am leaning towards Messier. can’t explain why, just am.

  75. _We will probably just hire Guy Boucher._

    Brooksie: “What caused your scar?”

    Boucher: “I’m not talking about it.”

    Brooksie: [begins neverending campaign against Boucher]

  76. CTBlueshirt on

    You do realize the humor in calling Stepan the 1st line center by default this season?

  77. Rob in Beantown on

    Messier getting hired would mean we are a circus, a complete joke. I respect the guy immensely but has he ever coached a day in his life? You need to put in your dues and prove you have what it takes before you are given rein over an NHL team.

  78. To the extent that he chooses to make expicit, I guarantee Dolan wants Messier. Showbiz. And Sather is more than clueless enough to allow that glitzy consideration to weigh heavily.

    I hope the Bruins rip Pittsburgh apart and I hope the gutless Cooke gets his lunch eaten every shift.

  79. CTBlueshirt on

    It would be funnier if it didn’t have to be true. Wouldn’t you rather have had the scenario where Richards was still a clear cut #1 center?

  80. Richie will probably have a problem getting Del Zotto money over 2 years. That’s if he can get two years.

  81. _Wouldn’t you rather have had the scenario where Richards was still a clear cut #1 center?_

    Frankly, no. What if he still was this year and next and we didn’t amnesty him? Cap hell.

  82. Rob in Beantown on

    If I’m Lundqvist and I see Messier hired as coach, I realize the inmates are running the asylum and I leave

  83. Shows how people don’t pay attention, Chris Nilan on the radio today asked me about Richards and said he was surprised because “he had a pretty good year.”

  84. bull dog line on

    CT,
    it has been 2 years in a row that Stepan has been the number 1 center. in case you forgot, there was a long stretch last season where Richards was awful. the top line was centered by Stepan, with Gabby, and Anisimov on the wings. would the team have been better if Richards was better? sure. but he wasn’t, so Stepan was.

  85. I told him about the 12 points at the end of the season where he didn’t have a single scoring chance.

  86. actually, Rob, without saying they were right or wrong (they were probably right), but what the players did between Monday and Wednesday was the definition of inmates running the asylum.

  87. Chris Nilan is not as tough as he used to be. Lord and Taylor employees overpowered him and found a Tommy Bahama swimsuit under his civvies. He was quoted as saying to the judge, “Hey, I was just trying to save a few bucks.” Priceless.

    I mean, no comments on this? I mean…jees. This is a TRUE story. :)

  88. I don’t like the assumption that the “inmates running the asylum” is necessarily bad. Feedback from those most affected being valued and utilized is hardly the worst thing in the world.

  89. I was trying to think of something clever to say, coos. But I’m afraid that Knuckles will see it :)

  90. I didn’t say it was bad, Mister. Just said that’s the definition. I prefer mutiny. But either way …

  91. Carp, we will probably never know. But I say this. The players were right only if they went to Torts and told him to change because they didn’t think whatever he was doing was going to work. And he gave them the middle finger, so to speak.

  92. That’s certainly within the realm of possibility, ilb.

    I imagine Lundqvist would have brought that up face to face a time or two. But just guessing …

    like you said, we may never know the whole truth here until Lundqvist is retired and Torts is fired one more time from TV and an NHL team.

  93. amend that … we will never know the truth from Tortorella, because we will never know if he’s telling the truth if he ever tells anything.

  94. bull dog line on

    yeah ilb,
    that would have been the way to handle it. I have a bad taste with this one. would hope Cally did just that ilb.

  95. I still don’t understand the logistics. The exit interviews Monday were with the coach, not the GM. So who told Sather what, and when?

  96. no details yet, Stemmer. Assuming the revolt came later, or it’s possible players met with the GM after the coach? It’s even possible Lundqvist (and he’s being widely implicated without any proof at all) had already met with Sather when he spoke to the media.

  97. I have a bad taste too, bull dog. Magnified by a deafening silence of the twitter—>. Not a single player bothered to say:”Good luck, coach. Sorry it didn’t work out” BC sort of thing. Something is strange.

  98. Could be as simple as Torts asking for an extension after the closeout and being told no, got in Slat’s face. Good a theory as any other until the truth (if ever) shows its ugly face.

  99. I would also guess it might have been suggest to them that they, ahem, not tweet about this. It is Dolan World.

  100. Rob in Beantown on

    Carp, you are right. I used the metaphor incorrectly. My point was Messier being hired would be evidence of serious problems at MSG. I’m shocked people think it is a possibility.

  101. Rob in Beantown on

    Well, I am not shocked there are serious problems at MSG. just that they are so bad that Messier as coach could happen

  102. Apparently, Rupper was the guy who kept Torts under control in the clubhouse. Hence the “good guy to have in the clubhouse”

  103. but also surprising that so many fans have so much loyalty to Messier that they’d welcome him as head coach.

  104. Rob

    There are serious problems longstanding at MSG — but you are right that Messier’s hiring would be crazy. No other motive except to market shamelessly. Winning? Who cares about winning, right Dolan?

  105. Nilan wasn’t the biggest, strongest or best fighter … but he was on the short list of craziest.

  106. Stemmer, worse than that, I would fear if I were you guys, is that it’s not for marketing purposes, but because they think he’s the best candidate, sight unseen. Or that they couldn’t pick the other popularly-mentioned candidates out of a lineup.

    Not saying he would fail … but a strange way to go, indeed.

  107. They were told not to tweet any details, or not to tweet “Good luck, coach” BC too? Hard to believe. That certainly makes the situation less transparent, if anything.

  108. I guess people didn’t get my post earlier about being crispy. Nilan fought alcohol and drug abuse.

  109. My favorite was when Sather, in his first season, said “Malakhov’s the best defenseman we have.” … while Leetch was on the team.

  110. Cmnsnse – I have moved all my Tommy Bahama swimsuits to the garage. This way, if Knuckles finds my address, he can just raise the garage door and leave me out of it.

  111. I don’t get the Messier as coach commentary.

    Messier wants to be the GM and several years ago I believe it was being bandied around as such.

    The reaction then was he didn’t want to start in the minors.

    Now if he was in line for any position especially coaching might it not have been a good idea to get some time as an assistant?

    Two problems, why would anyone expect a “good idea” to emanate from the MSG suits, and Messier would be repelled by assistant in front of his name!

  112. bull dog line on

    Carp,
    I really don’t like the names that are being mentioned as coach. a bunch of retreads who have failed elsewhere. I am not interested in going that route. would Messier be a good coach? no idea. but we already know that Ruff, Granato, and the others are mediocre at best.

  113. Messier is the greatest player ever to wear the Rangers sweater when he was still incredibly great. (Sorry, TGO). But his second tour was marked by teams that didn’t play hard, didn’t play smart, had no cohesion, had numerous cliques in the room and was extremely difficult to watch with any enjoyment.

    The idea that he will impart a magic dose of winner pixie dust that will last longer than a week is just nuts.

  114. Can’t say that about Granato yet, Ruff is a fair argument, though I don’t think you last 16 years anywhere unless you have some qualities.

    I don’t know about Granato’s prior stop, but I keep going back to Belichick in Cleveland. Or Joe Torre in Atlanta or with the Mets.

  115. Papa, Malakhov was descending is right, by the time he got here. But he could through ’em. Didn’t fight often, but he was a mean SOB when he was upset.

  116. Even if asked, would Mess take a traveling job that pays less than Darroll Powe’s?

  117. Carp, since I did not see a smiley face you must, but can’t be serious.

    You actually believe his ego would accept an assistant coach or GM position?

    Walt would gag!

  118. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    This franchise is DOOMED for the foreseeable future , DOOMED .
    1) as long as Sather is in control or his puppets ..
    2) you need a new regime a NEW WAY of THINKING NOT REACTING.

  119. Yes, Carp, Sather’s dissing of Leetch really from the get-go was unreal. I do remember that Malakhov had a month of play that was really top-flight. But it was bracketed by brutal and horrible months long before and long after.

  120. CTBlueshirt on

    Aren’t the Oiler single handedly proving that placing former stars in coaching/management roles doesn’t translate to success? Unless you deem success as collecting lottery picks for a bunch of years straight.

  121. bull dog line on

    Belichick was undermined by the owner moving the team. by all accounts had all the pieces in place in Cleveland to win. Torre won in Atlanta. Ruff teams were nothing but mediocre. Granato, if I recall correctly, was so bad he didn’t finish a season.

  122. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    If Messier wants to remain a Ranger immortal , he should stay very far away from coaching this team in any capacity.. He’ll be a Dolan spy in my opinion.

  123. Carp, LOL, I can’t stop laughing!

    What does an assistant to Sappy actually do,job description please! This sounds like one of George Steinbrenner’s “limited partners!

    And is working with the hasbeen really a recommendation? ;)

  124. Norm Merton on

    I don’t think Messier as a head coach is necessarily a bad idea, provided you have a modern, egoless x’s and o’s guy to run drills and design systems. Not that Messier would be ignorant of all that — he does know the game after all — but his role would be to lead and teach his leaders how to lead better, teach his players what it means to be prepared for practice, what it actually takes to win and go deep, that sort of stuff.

    But I’d still rather see an Allain or an Eaves from left field, someone who’s been in the trenches learning about and contributing new ideas to the modern game.

  125. Onecupin74yearsandcounting on

    They need a new whipping boy ,one who doesn’t cost a fortune , one who has mediocre success in the minors , one who is in sather’s pocket .

  126. bull dog line on

    I don’t know anything about Allain, or Eaves, Norm.
    but I would prefer either one of them to the retreads being mentioned right now.

  127. Eddie Three Times, thoroughly disgusted, propped up in corner of his California wine cellar amidst broken bottles of vintage Cabernet and overturned ivory chess set, slurring differential equations.

  128. Casey: “I’m waitin’ on two new 20 year olds they’re sending up to me. One of them over the next ten years has a chance to be something special. The other one has a chance to be 30.”

  129. Norm Merton on

    I, too, lean instinctively to a fresh face over the retread, mostly in reaction to the mess the team is in now. Having said that, the Torres, Bowmans, and Coughlins do have their appeal, too. It’s still about finding the right guy from either pool, and Sather/Dolan does not exactly fill one’s heart with optimism on that score. Though I will hope nonetheless.

  130. Not defending Ruff, but he was one illegal goal away from maybe winning the Cup.

    And I think he has some people skills.

    How about Messier head coach and Gernander Xs and Os?

    And is Granato’s experience with Bylsma just something you write off? completely say he’s a failure? Not sure. Not sure, either, that he’d even be considered. Just a name tossed out there, and one to which I replied that he’s an awesome guy, but I have no idea of him as a coach.

    Just throwing out stuff here.

  131. bull dog line on

    don’t want Gernander anywhere hear the big club. and I know you are just tossing stuff around.

  132. I don’t think Gernander’s ever had the authority to design his own system, not saying he can’t but he’s been relegated to implementing the big club’s system in order to keep consistency for the players.

    I nominate Callahan to be the Ranger’s Reggie Dunlop.

  133. ps. Granato and Sandstrom to LA for Nicholls. Nicholls to Sather for Messier. Sather to NY in 2000 and Messier follows him back to NY in 2000. It’s all one big twisted circle.

  134. Jeff in South Dakota on

    Hank better play more at the top of his crease if there is going to be less screening shot blocking and more standup on your skates defense.

  135. CARP, if NYR want to stick with former players or organizationers, do you think Dave Maloney gets considered as an associate coach? Do head coaches generally decide who the associates are? I usually agree with Dave’s analysis, and he also seems to bleed NYR blue.

  136. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    My brother in law just got off a plane sitting next to torts. I cannot be at airport to pick them up but will sell my two tickets. Drivers side – asking $400 for the pair.

  137. Jeff in South Dakota on

    “The playoffs separate the men from the boys, and we found out we have a lot of boys in our dressing room.” — Neil Smith back in the day.

  138. CARP, just so you are aware, my antivirus program is having an issue with one of your widgets. Could just be an error on my end.

  139. King with no Ring on

    Lundqvist’s success had a lot to do with Tortorella’s demand for blocking shots. Lundqvist was one of the players responsible for getting Tortorella canned. He best have the goods if a new coach comes in and abandons the block shot identity.

  140. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The car seat will be doing a farewell tour before June 30. My sources tell me Torts will be in same. He will take no questions but rather will allow you to: 1) Unstrap and strap him in a few times; 2) Let you roll down all windows plus sun roof; 3) Blast the AC ( with windows rolled up); 4) Slide the passenger seat way just to where Torts will kick it; and 5) Turn the radio up really loud.

  141. Good evening all! Missed the Charp….fug!

    I like this…”If Tortorella was fired simply because he didn’t win the Cup, then Sather is delusional. The Rangers aren’t terribly far off from contending, but if you stack their talent against the teams in the final four, the difference it pretty obvious. And if that’s the bottom line, how does Sather rate his own job performance?”

    Fire Sather!

  142. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I did. Reprehensible but typical and expected. Hindsight allows you to think incorrectly but speak differently.

  143. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – I didn’t. But did. I half expected it and am thrilled. He was bad for the team.

  144. (Not talking about Torts, but rather Rangers’ wipeout. I know your feelings about Johnny.)

  145. Think of it….IF our power play worked we’d still be playing AND Tortz is still coaching. See…every dark cloud has a silver lining.

  146. Coos on Casey, very, very funny and accurate.

    Come to think of it two commodities rarely seen anywhere!

    Maybe you could try a Nixon redux?

  147. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kooz – yeah. I was pretty bummed by them losing. I disagree with those that say the Rangers played for Torts. The cap series they played for each other but that ended against Boston. I saw no real urgency save for maybe the first period in game 5. And even then, the rangers were outplayed.

  148. Just scrolled though Charp…..very interesting

    I’m not going to let Sather ruin my summer (at least until trade deadline and other carcilloo…)

  149. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Speaking on the topic. Do you still coach Brooke? How is she doing? You should take her and her mom out for a pizza….

  150. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Here’s to Clowe getting healthy, signed, and making an impact come next season.

  151. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Avery certainly knew of what he spoke. There is no doubt that Hank wasnt happy. I don’t blame him.

  152. lmao, Jeff in SD. I remember that night. Cap Centre if I’m not mistaken. The night the seeds were sown for the Messier trade.

  153. Do Norweigians eat spaghetti? No need for research. Penne for your thoughts.

  154. Don’t know about the antivirus stuff, Llatona, but let me know if it persists and send me some details and I’ll forward to tech.

    assistant/associate coaches are normally picked by the head coach, unless he’s a lap dog for the GM.

  155. I think Dave Maloney would be good at anything he pursued. Not sure if he wants any part of that, though.

  156. You don’t fire someone unless you have a replacement in mind, or an end plan without Torts included. They are now working on the draft (do they have any picks before the 6th round this year?) Maybe Sather makes another splash to trade up in the draft (arghhh!) Maybe he unloads Brad Richards for another load of prospects like McDonagh (after selling the Brooklyn Bridge to…hmmm…now it’s NY-wise mgmt in Columbus, too bad!) I would like to have been a fly on the wall during that strategy session. Personally, I think they warned Torts not to criticize his players publicly, and the Hagelin remark was the last straw, along with his stubborn and faithful loyalty to Brad Richards; I seem to remember Lindy Ruff as an assistant coach here (not mentioned, except as a player) before taking the Buffalo job. I say they bring him in, if he’s a willing victim. Problem is that Sather wants control (we forget easily how Tortorella seemed like a breath of fresh air in that dept when he first arrived) and a coach with integrity will not put up with that.

  157. _An Ode to John Tortorella_

    I’m not telling you.

    You ask stupid questions, you’ll get stupid answers.

    I’m going to keep it in the room.

    No.

    It’s one of the most arrogant organizations in the league. They whine about this stuff all the time, and look what happens.

    I want to get along, but I’m not going to talk about injuries, and I’m certainly not going to talk about the lineup every day.

    I’m not going to have a staring contest. If you don’t ask me questions, I’ll just leave.

    No.

    I love our jam.

    I thought we stunk.

    Because he stinks on the power play. I don’t know why.

    No.

    I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    I answered that question.

    That’s ridiculous.

    No.

    You were probably beat up at the bus stop most of the time.

    I don’t take anything back. There are a couple of reporters there that I do think are idiots.

    It’s easy to say, “I’m sorry.” I’m not sorry for most of the things I’ve said.

    No.

    http://slapshot.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/an-ode-to-john-tortorella/?ref=sports

  158. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    For torts to say Haglin stinks on the PP ( or any player save Richards for that matter) is the irony of ironies.

  159. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    If Slather says we will have a coach by June 30, he has an idea who he is hiring.

  160. We all know as NYR fans that Hank has been and is the real leader of this team. And, if he was the one that got Torts fired, I sure hope he knows what the hell he’s doing.

    He better have a good idea who’s coming in and better be the one helping to decide who the new guy will ultimately be…otherwise, what’s the point of Sather firing Torts so abruptly.

    Like Carp and others privy to NYR dealings have said, this is something that was decided late Monday or Early Tuesday by Sather. Sather woke up Monday morning knowing that Torts was his coach for next year..it was not premeditated; it was reactionary to something players said.

  161. Matty "SatherShouldHaveKnownBetter"Boy on

    Eddie, I am with you on Dave Maloney. He knows his stuff. Don’t know if he has the coaching experience, but he does have the personality!!!

    Messier as head coach would be an absolute bust. The guy is The Messiah around these parts. Keep it that way.

  162. was*

    in any case…. there are people who liked Torts and there are who didn’t but i think it was time for him to go. Most of the fans saw this coming and his players couldn’t deal with him anymore.

  163. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Wasnt just Hank complaining. And given Slats’ and Messier’s view of the ice, their inability to comprehend what Torts was doing, especially regarding the PP and the frequent flat starts, was enough to say… Ciao

  164. eddie, unfortunately I’ve been ousted from the program and will be replaced by less knowledgeable parents. All accounts indicate that she’s doing well.

  165. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cccp – I said at the time that it would be foolish to discount Avery’s Tweet.

  166. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The psychology going on inside Messier’s head as he watched Richards grow old and feeble on the ice and its reminder about his own deteriorating play in his last year is a thesis topic.

  167. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    “Benching Richards was an organizational decision” I’d bet a hot dog that Torts was against it….

  168. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Although Liam and Torts could crawl up that massive behind and have an interview.

  169. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    You coach, you teach. Any and every level. The rangers weren’t learning from my vantage point.

  170. Maloney? Who was derided as captain of the NYR, despite the miracle ’79 season? Who was nicknamed “Davey Brown” because of his a**-kissing of those above him? Who cannot begin a sentence without “Again”?

    He was not respected by his teammates as their leader at a time when they were literally three wins away from a Stanley Cup. Next!

  171. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Getting the absolute maximum out of your players in order to have a chance at winning is priority one.

  172. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Stemmer – sometimes people have the capacity to change and do the right thing. His analysis is the best. He knows the game.

  173. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Stemmer – and as captain, the Rangers defeated the Islander team in the semis. A team no one expected to win that series… And in game 2 in Montreal up, 2-0 to boot against 15 HoF players…

  174. Eddie…..on the road at the Forum, up 2-0 in Game 2, ahead in the finals 1-0….still hurts when I think about it.

  175. Why would Sather listen to anyone else but Hank? Slats is the godfather of this whole thing. You guys think Zucc bullied Slats into this?

  176. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    RIR – how art thou? Miss you laddie

    Papa – can you imagine if they went back to the garden up 2-0. But I think JD was injured by that point. That Hab team was great.

  177. E3

    I hear you, and I respect what you say. But given his lack of experience behind the bench, I would put him way down the list.

    Ratso Sloman’s book on that ’78-’79 Ranger team may have influenced me unduly. But Davey M. did not show well in it, or to be frank, on the ice after the age of 25. And I haven’t forgotten that.

  178. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    NYR fan – cally likely tried to talking to torts and was told **** you. So, next in the chain of command….

  179. JD was playing with a bum knee in the finals. Montreal spanked us pretty good from that point on.

  180. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Stemmer – I will give that book a read. Thx. I loved that team. Saw many games that year. At MSG, the coliseum, and the forum.

  181. Having Dave as a coach would suck…mainly because I wouldn’t be able to listen to him on the radio broadcast anymore ;)

  182. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Extend Sather.

    Kings Bruins Final.

    Kings in 6. They are a good team.

  183. Papa

    Shero outcoached Arbour that spring to a T. Crazy that for so much of my Ranger life, THAT was the high point of my fandom —– a loss in the Finals. JD was a flopper, a dropper, a really mediocre goalie if truth be told. But that magical spring? He was amazing, and so was Marois and McEwen and Plante and Sheehan and ……….

  184. Rhode Island Ranger on

    E3, doin’ well and yerself?

    Glad that nasty, egomaniacal, little numbskull is gone. We might actually see some “strategy” next season!

    Someone should remind him of his mocking comments to the press when he banished Avery over a personality conflict (ie. Avery had one and Torts didn’t).

  185. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    NyR fan – werd on that. Pete Stemkowski would take over his color duties. I’ve always liked #21- Stemmer

  186. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    RIR – I didn’t mean to toss torts under the bus….. Oops, I guess I just did….

    Hey Torts – You’re a meat bag.

  187. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    RIR – I’m doing great, thx…. Busier than I care to be…. Bummed our boys lost, but excited for next season, and very happy given the recent events,

  188. Czechthemout!!! on

    Ex3

    I was also rediculed when I said Hank and Avery are very tight and Avery sent that tweet because and with Hanks blessing the players were either hoping Torts would adjust or they wanted him gone. Based on some reports today and last night, it appears Torts lost the room in late Feb, not too long after, Avery sent out his tweet.

    Seperately, I heard the name Mike Eaves bantered about as a coach here. If you want to watch paint dry, he is your man.

  189. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I just puked.

    Stemmer – don’t forget #14 that year….

  190. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – if you play a game on Tuesday, a coach cannot come out on Thursday and make bold statements! You do know what I mean, yes?

  191. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Pretty lady ain’t got no friend till the candyman come round again….

  192. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Stammer – the 86 team provided some highlights too. Against a rookie G, I thought we’d go to finals that year…

  193. E3

    Good morning Mr. Benson
    I see you’re doing well
    If I had me a shotgun……

    !!!!!

  194. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – an italic, roman, or NY Times font is still tomorrow’s dialogue regarding yesterday’s happening. A tool will always be a tool. Ask Hammer.

  195. Agree on ’86. And Sator was so reviled. Sent Larouche down,
    completely alienated the great Mark Pavelich, and the team
    barely made the playoffs.

    I was at the Game 6 winner vs. WASH that spring. Ridley and
    Larouche and VBK closed the door.

    But Roy and Bobby Smith and Lemieux and MTL were too much.

  196. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Enjoy what Carp has done with this blog very much. But… the beat writer coverage of the Rangers over the last few years (with the honorable exception of Brooks’ occasional discoveries) has been slavish, company-line drivel worthy of Pravda at its worst. Who developed sources inside the room? Who challenged Torts’ police state gag order. Who really pressed with serious questions?

    By the way, Avery was ultimately dumped because he refused to give Brooks the cold shoulder and Torts demanded worshipful obedience over actual performance on the ice. Well, the lads finally shook off the Stockholm Syndrome and gave the psycho the heave-ho.

  197. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Stemmer – great game 6. Beezer was on fire. Loved that team too. I remember…

  198. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Power to truth….jamming to 5-7-77 as I type..my all time fav show…. Combining off an early May 70 show…

  199. Boy, RIR, that blerb about The Grate One Sean Every certainly is a subjectively rewritten version of what you want us to consider historical factual events.

  200. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Avery should still be on this team. I’m still pissed the way that went down.

  201. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I don’t care if Avery pinched a loaf on the logo. He was playing well, helping the team win, and it’s BS the way torts dealt with that…

  202. E3

    I am partial to the ’70-’72 Dead era, when Pigpen was still cooking and Jerry’s licks (think any BERTHA from that era) could not help but lift you out of your seat.

  203. Stepan doesn’t score a hat trick in his 1st NHL game without the crisp, and legendary, passing of Sean Avery. Avery had his moments. Everybody has a shelf live :)

  204. Rhode Island Ranger on

    NYR- Sorry to break it to you, it’s straight from a guy who socializes (that’s a euphemism for the wives force everybody to dine together occasionally) with the Tortses. Your hero was (and is) a selfish, strategically-challenged, faux-tough-guy bully.

    Why… just watch how quickly he’s snatched up by another contender!!!

  205. Um, the teammates kinda gave Avery the heave-ho a few years before they ganged up on the coach. wasn’t just him. (or the other 29 teams).

  206. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Spring 70 was lovely. Beautiful music against the backdrop of some crazy politics….think May 4th….

  207. Stemmer, and the linesman who tripped James Patrick, and John Kordic, may he RIP, kicking McPhee’s butt in the Forum.

  208. RIR – You socialize with Torts and Mrs. Torts? That’s actually cool…

    He is all those things but still a good hockey coach, IMO. I think some of of those qualities help his team on the ice…but also do hurt off the ice. Make any sense?

  209. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Nyrfan – the rangers will be the better team come next season…that’s all that matters.

  210. Rhode Island Ranger on

    E3, I’ve got to tone down my happiness here. The apparatchiks are still sore that the players ditched the Beloved Leader without sending out a memo first. It’s no fun being the last Koolaid drinker at Jonestown!

  211. Stemmer, China Cat Sunflower / I Know You Rider and Warf Rat on “Ladies and Gentlemen….The Grateful Dead” were from the same shows. Some of my favorite Garcia / Weir guitar work on that album.

  212. Carp

    How about the overtime in Game 3 at MSG, when the kitchen sink and the pantry sink and Stewart Cink were thrown at Roy by Paiement and Brooke and Pierre and Ridley and, and, and ……. and then Lemieux scores on the first real chance that MTL had. Series went 3-0 and dat was dat.

  213. Performed is a good word for an act, E3.

    Stemmer, how much of the non-acceptance of Dave Maloney as captain do think was due to his age, and how much of it was because they had a bunch of older, out-of-shape, drinking, clubbing jackwagons on that team? I was just a rook and a young kid in ’79 and I don’t know, but I did find out about the lack of character in that group soon enough.

    Not that they weren’t fun to be around.

  214. Papa

    My favorite China Cat>I Know You Rider is from Europe ’72 (Paris, or maybe Copenhagen?). But there were a bunch that were epic, so I take
    your word on that.

    Sincerely,
    August West & Pearly Baker (Best)

  215. Put on MSG. Rangers vs Detroit 1993. Watch Leetch move around on the power play – that’s how you do it.

  216. I vaguely remember a story/rumor circulating when Beck joined the club, that you couldn’t invite Maloney and Beck to the same party. Beck allegedly told Maloney he would punch his lights out if he ever tried to tell him what to do.

    Maloney also was replaced as Captain.

  217. Carp

    It is a legit question you raise, and Larry Sloman was not exactly Robert Caro. And the drinking/carousing/sniffing that that bunch was involved in makes that run in May 1979 all the more incredible.

    I guess my feeling is that management thought Davey M. was gonna turn into a really wonderful player when they named him captain at the age of 21 (or was he even younger?) …. but instead he leveled out and the rest of the guys saw that and probably looked down on him.

    Do you remember the play when he got burned on a 2-on-1 and JD made a great save, and then Davey slammed his stick down on the ice in anger at himself —— but missed the ice and hit JD instead??? That to me, in the stands at the time, encapsulated his captaincy.

  218. Slats to Torts:

    Cause when things go wrong,
    Wrong with you,
    It hurts me too.

  219. RF, is that the game where Kocur was ordered by Keenan to fight Probert? Awesome. They were both emotionally scarred from that fight, and Probert’s mother scolded Kocur after the game. Or maybe the other way around.

  220. By the way, lost in the news of the day yesterday, is the NHL really making the Western finalists open with back-to-backs for TV? What a freakin’ disgrace!!!

  221. ilb

    Fair enough. But Kocur pound for pound? Height for height? He was not a tall guy.

  222. JD would salivate at the thought of Kocur’s right hand. Called it the “jack hammer”

  223. I was at that ’86 game at the Gahden when Patrick got tripped by the linesman in OT. I was sitting in the green seats behind Roy’s goal and the whole section thought the NYR scored about 4-5 times in that OT. Saw the linesman veer to the middle of the ice for some reason and then saw Patrick fall and the curse lived on…

    …Avery sucked toward the end….

    …Torts was great for a while, I’ll thank him for turning this organization around but hard-asses just don’t last….

    ….I’m sure that Sather called HL after his comments and said what’s up and HL told him that nobody wanted to play for Torts anymore and that was that…

    …Ruff would be good for this team, and if you look at the four Cup-winners still coaching three of them are “retreads” so I don’t have a problem with that

  224. This is something that I’m finding pretty frustrating about the firing without any backup plan:

    You also have a lot of serviceable coaches currently in the NHL who are definitely in the hotseat, but have been given the benefit of the doubt for the shortened season.

    So while we spitcan Tortorella on a moments notice with no Plan B in place, there are a bunch of other coaches that MAY very well become available not tomorrow, but maybe a couple of months into next season.

    I’m telling you now…John Tortorella will be behind the bench in Philly by 2014.

  225. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Carp – no doubt Avery was an entertainer. But so was John McEnroe, a huge ranger fan who was along the glass game 7 in the 94 finals. But to be fair,Johnny Mac was #1 in the world and was a genius. But still, I thought Avery’s play on the ice exceeded that of EC and WW for starters.

  226. Olga Folkyerself on

    Come on, oh baby don’t you want to go
    Oh come on, oh baby don’t you want to go
    Back to that same old place
    Sweet Home Chicago

  227. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Salty – if true, it will be wonderful to see Giroux muck it up along the wall and play dump and chase…

  228. Stranger Nation on

    Ex3,
    how you be? oh say can you see, do we agree, we are rid of the flea, sent out to sea, us are no longer we, he hath no plea, bent over Slats knee, now he is free, to be or not to be

    bboooyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  229. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Olga – kings in 6 is how I see it. Great comeback by the Hawks but, as I shared with you over a month ago, they peaked in early March. Kings are playing impressive hockey.

  230. Olga Folkyerself on

    All those stories today makes the Rangers sound like a freaking Soap Opera.

    “As the Stomach Turns”

  231. Paul in sunrise on

    Anyone know where i can find the list of 40 players with retirement recapture contracts? Just doing some off season advance scouting. And I am bored without rangers hockey.

  232. Olga Folkyerself on

    We’ll see re: Chicago, Eddie. Just being still in there is enough for today.

  233. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    SNation – the bug, in the rug, gave no hug, what a lug, hate the Krug, boxers and pug, war-o-tug, have a mug….

    Boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

  234. Stranger Nation on

    Funny how people thought Torts would be Olympic Coach…what flavor was that koolaid? Must taste good slurping it down all the time.

  235. No doubt about that, E3. I said that several times.

    Too bad he acted like such a jackass to teammates. He was a good enough player to play third or fourth line minutes on this year’s team, too.

  236. Olga Folkyerself on

    I almost got to Walkom after that goal was denied. Watch the replay, when he was on the phone to Toronto you can just barely see my clenched hand reaching out through the phone to grab his throat…

  237. Stranger Nation on

    that game last night was instant classic. Wings/Hawks was some GREAT hockey

  238. _Too bad he acted like such a jackass to teammates_

    Ironic how Torts ran Avery outta town for having a big mouth and being an asshat (supposedly…still hard to believe it but whatever) to people he plays with and eventually Torts himself turned out to be a big mouth jerk.

  239. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’ll never forget when EC threw Avery under the bus and the next game or so, dropped the gloves after EC was cheap shotted (is that a word) – that told me Avery was a good team mate.

  240. Is This Real? on

    Just watched Victory: Story of 94 Rangers on NHL network. Great stuff. I got very emotional at times

  241. it helps, Eddie…it helps.

    And it isn’t just Avery… look at Gaborik’s tweet the other day… his own players spoke out loud and clear and a lot of people on this blog were completely wrong.

  242. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    94 = storybook year.

    That’s why i don’t want Mess messing around with his reputation. I always want to remember him jumping up and down like a kid knees to his chin on ice after MacT won the draw. Holding the cup and grinning ear to ear.

    Don’t coach. Can’t end good.

  243. Olga Folkyerself on

    One Two Three Four
    If I had ever been here before
    I would probably know just what to do
    Don’t you?
    If I had ever been here before on another time around the wheel
    I would probably know just how to deal
    With all of you
    And I feel
    Like I’ve been here before

  244. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    Listening to NHL Radio today. They were KILLING Slats.

    Scotty said 8 years ago….8 years ago….Espo calls up Slats and asks,

    “Slats, how do you do it?? I make one of your crappy moves, I get fired. You’ve made so many!!””

    And that was 8 years ago!!! No, it didn’t stop there.

  245. Olga Folkyerself on

    Here’s the problem:

    Phone rings…

    Slats: “Hello”
    Dolan: “How’s things?”
    Slats: “Good. Don’t Worry.”
    Dolan: “OK.”

    Click

  246. Phone rings…

    Slats: “Hey, Jimmy…some of the Rangers players need new contracts”

    Dolan: “What Rangers?”

    Slats: “Ok, thanks…i’ll write checks myself as always then.”

    Click

  247. “That’s why i don’t want Mess messing around with his reputation.”

    uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…..guess you’re forgetting his second stint on broadway…doesn’t get much more embarrassing.

    Getting Messier as a coach would end up making 3 fools, at minimum.

    – Sather for hiring him
    – Mess for jumping into the hot water
    – Henrik Lundqvist who would have to stomach the fact that he personally ran an actual Stanley Cup winning coach out of town.

    I’ll tell you this also…whoever coaches next season, probably wont still be here the season after that. That’s what happens when you go picking from scraps.

  248. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cccp – bottom line – things weren’t so rosy in the room and the Caine Mutiny no longer fiction.

  249. The 85-86 run was great, game 3 against the Flyers when they scored 3 goals in 39 seconds in the 3rd, and then winning the deciding 5th game in the Spectrum. Man I hated those Flyers teams. The media made such a big thing about the Rangers never winning a deciding 7th game on the road, but they won game 5 in Philly to take the series 3-2. That team played tight D and was still able to generate some offense. LaRouche…what a sniper.

    I remember the Dave Maloney incident, not sure if a goal was scored but he went to slam his stick on the crossbar in frustration and missed and ht JD in the back of the leg.

  250. Olga Folkyerself on

    Phone rings…

    Slats: “Hello”
    Dolan: “I heard Torts was fired”
    Slats: “Yeah. There was nothing we could do about it. Nothing.”
    Dolan: “OK, then.”

    Click.

  251. Olga Folkyerself on

    One of my treasured VHS tapes is of the Rangers-Flyers 1986.
    Good team. Overachievers. Smurfs.

  252. The original Smurfs were a few years earlier, against the Bob McCammon Flyers in the playoffs after winning the first 2 games at the Spectrum the Rangers won game 3 at the Garden 9-3, one of my favorite Ranger games, to sweep the series 3-0. I have it on tape and pop it into the VCR once a year to remember those fun days from the past.

  253. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    JR – “the rangers may change direction at the same time they dont”

  254. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    Kings in 6, then in 6 is what I believe will happen.

    I repeat: No team with Redden or Roszival will win the CUP.

    Ain’t happening.

  255. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The original Smurfs were always losing to the Islanders… But I think the seeds if smurfdom were planted in 80 (I think) – the year the flyers beat the rangers – tho Duguay got a hat trick in game 3 at the garden – I was there for that…

  256. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Can Joan Crawford take the hawks to the finals? He beat Moe Howard.

    Go Bruins. Beat the Pens!!!!

  257. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I’d like Chara to blast some shots from the point and break some ankles and jaws.

  258. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    What is that quote that LW is always spouting off about? Something to do with Torts…

  259. Stranger Nation on

    Guess Slats got stiff with Tortles and put him in a jam so he can no longer coach the right way…

  260. Long as we owe Richie 48 mil, let him coach the team. That’s how the Wilpons would handle it.

  261. Stranger Nation on

    Torts heard this song on car radio on way home yesterday

    They, said some day you’ll find
    All who love are blind
    When you heart’s on fire
    You must realize
    Smoke gets in your eyes

    Now laughing friends deride
    Tears I cannot hide
    So I smile and say
    When a lovely flame dies
    Smoke gets in your eyes

    Smoke gets in your eyes

  262. Gotye Tribute to an Old Coach, Dying Young

    “You can get addicted to a certain kind of sadness
    Like resignation at the end, always the end –
    So when we found that you could not make sense, well,
    Now you’re just somebody that we used to know
    And we’ll admit that we were glad when it was over –
    Now you’re just somebody that we used to know.”

  263. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    Is that the Johnson interview that turns out to be a roast of Slats? I think I heard that one today, too.

    Man, if only Dolan heard the all day attacks on what Slats has done to our team on NHL Radio. Incredible.

  264. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I wish we had Milan Lucic on our team…… A healthy Clowe a close second…

  265. I do believe I referenced Julius Caesar and the Ides of March after Sunday’s debacle. ‘et tu, Brute?’ Little did I suspect that Brutus might be Henrik.

  266. I’m just a soul whose intentions are good
    Oh Lord, please don’t let me be misunderstood

  267. Olga Folkyerself on

    Black Hawks have Destiny! Kings will be tough to beat. Chicago has just the guys that can do it.

  268. Olga Folkyerself on

    If you wanna be happy
    For the rest of your life,
    Never make a pretty woman your wife,
    So from my personal point of view,
    Get an ugly girl to marry you.

    I told her this was “our song”. Things went downhill from there.

  269. T: “I’m the straw that stirs this drink!”

    Slats: “Stir it in your car seat on your way home.”

  270. Speaking of Slats calling Torts ‘Tortorelli,’ I was for a few years in a foresome where one of the guys was named Pizzuto. One member of our group innocently called him ‘Pizzuti’ for 3 seasons. And they were both Italian. What’s up with that?

  271. Torts to wife: Hand me that newspaper and pour me a drink.”

    Wife: “Your power play doesn’t work around here, either.”

  272. Slats is a major league D-Bag. Most hated Sports Executive in this town since M. Donald Grant.

  273. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    If it wasn’t for Slats, those oiler teams don’t win any cups. His genius behind their bench was the reason for the season… They had a bunch of stiffs as players… Any other coach would have failed…

  274. Dr. Norm the Dentist to his Receptionist.

    “Mr. Richards has a cavity in his lower left 3rd molar. Please book him a 5-hour appointment so we will have the proper time to fill it.”

  275. Za'rat "The OTHER GUYS Greed" Jones on

    TORTORELLA RESPONDS TO SATHER AFTER BEING FIRED: Glenny, ol’ buddy…., ol’ chum! You don’t understand! I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I could’ve been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am.

  276. Glenny responds to Tortsie. “Sorry Tortsie, looks like a trip to palookaville for you.”

  277. richie to dentist: “what’s this gonna cost me?”

    ‘How much do you have?”

    “About 60 million.”

    Well, that should cover the first few visits.”

  278. Olga Folkyerself on

    Where it began,
    I can’t begin to knowin’
    But then I know it’s growing strong
    Was in the spring
    And spring became the summer
    Who’d have believed you’d come along.

    Hands, touchin’ hands
    Reachin’ out, touchin’ me touchin’ you
    Sweet Caroline
    Good times never seemed so good

  279. “Easy with the insensitive teeth jokes fellas. What are you guys like 12 years old?”

  280. Torts phones Slats: “I haven’t received my check this month.”

    “You haven’t been a naughty boy and said any bad things about me or Jim Dolan, have you?”

    “No.”

    “Okay, I’ll look into it.”

  281. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Imagine if Marv had those kind of teeth – he be serving 6 consecutive life sentences….

  282. Nurse: “Dr. Norm, the patient is room 1 for the filling…Mr. Richards.”

    Dr. Norm: (Doc opens door) “What in holy hell? Get that horse off my chair! I’m a D.D.S not a damn veterinarian!”

  283. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Brad needs to play for the sharks,… Ever see the gums on a great white?

  284. I come to this blog for hockey talk and statistics. If I wanted humor I’d watch Andy Griffiths re-runs!

  285. Tale of the Tape – Tortsie and Richards Canine Teeth

    Tortsie –
    Height – 5’2″
    Weight – 145 lbs
    Reach – short arms, deep pockets

    Richards Canine Teeth
    Height – 6’3″
    Weight – 260 lbs.
    Reach – New York to Columbus, Ohio

  286. and the funniest part is that Sather was planning on keeping Torts! This dinosaur Sather has NO CLUE wtf is going on with this team, the players and the coach! NO freaking idea… players had to come to HIM and tell him that there is an issue. LOL

    PS, and if you are one of those people complaining about players complaining (ironic, i know), then you never had a mean boss who’s always in your grill no matter how good you are at your job.

  287. Duguay to orthodontic plastic surgeon: “I want some Richards teeth and make sure my earring glistens off the big one in the front.”

  288. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Dr. Norm – brad I’ll be shooting 600-700 gallons of novocain every few minutes to keep that tooth numb.

  289. Richie to Chara: “How would you like a sharp slap in the face?”

    Chara: “You are truly scary.”

  290. Ritchie to Slats (after buyout):

    “Am I still covered under the Dental Plan?”

  291. Dentist: “You’re the first hockey player I’ve ever seen with such a healthy and prominent mouthful of teeth. Are you a rookie?”

    “No, I’ve been playing for 29 years.”

  292. Olga Folkyerself on

    “then you never had a mean boss who’s always in your grill no matter how good you are at your job.”

    I had one of those. If we did something good, we got gummy bears. If we did something wrong, she threatened to fire us. One day we just took the gummy bears and cut their heads off and put the heads and bodies back on her desk.

    No more gummy bears.

  293. Players cut the heads off of gummy bear. It had to be done. Now they need to cut off Sather’s head.

    Good night.

  294. Marv Albert to Police: “She said ‘bite me’ and I obliged. Is that against the law?”

  295. It would be titillating to see Marv with Richie’s teeth on film with “Some Enchanted Evening” playing on the old Victrola.

  296. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Slats – uh John we, eh, I have to pee ( drop drop drop)

    Slats – so, I think, umm, ugh I have to pee again…

  297. Carp, It would be nice if, when suggested by Boneheads here that Sather be fired, you respond with your patented “forget it. not happening” ……. ;-)

  298. Olga Folkyerself on

    “Muckler! Piss Bucket!”

    That should bring a smile to Carp’s face.

  299. Torts: “Who do you talk to when you keep leaving the room?”

    Slats: “The Porcelain Vortex.”

    “Is that what you call Dolan?”

  300. Olga Folkyerself on

    Aww, man. Gotta go. Work tomorrow. Boss is gone so it’s just a token appearance.

    Later, boys.

  301. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Damn – I have to go back to work in September – not enough time off…

  302. “Oh, it’s a long, long while from May to December
    But the days grow short when you reach September
    When the autumn weather turns the leaves to flame
    One hasn’t got time for the waiting game

    Oh, the days dwindle down to a precious few
    September, November
    And these few precious days I’ll spend with ewe,
    These precious days I’ll spend with ewe.

    I feel sheepish even saying that.

  303. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Kingston trio “Do you remember, the days of September? So follow”

  304. “Please come to Boston
    For the springtime
    I’m stayin’ here with some friends
    And they’ve got lots of room
    You can sell your paintings on the sidewalk
    By a cafe where I hope to be workin’ soon
    Please come to Boston
    She said no,
    Those Bruins really bl..”

  305. “Try to remember when life was so tender
    That no one wept except the willow.
    Try to remember when life was so tender
    That dreams were kept beside your pillow.
    Try to remember when life was so tender
    That love was an ember about to billow.
    Try to remember, and if you remember,
    Then follow.”

  306. “This here’s a story about Billy Joe and Bobbie Sue
    Two young lovers with nothin’ better to do
    Than sit around the house, get high, and watch the tube
    And here is what happened when they decided to cut loose

    They headed down to, ooh, old El Paso
    That’s where they ran into a great big hassle
    Billy Joe shot a man while robbing his castle
    Bobbie Sue took the money and run

    Go on take the money and run
    Go on take the money and run”

  307. “The best things in life are free
    But you can keep them for the birds and bees
    Just give me money
    That’s what I want

    That’s what I want

    You’re lovin’ gives me a thrill
    But you’re lovin’ don’t pay my bills
    Now give me money
    That’s what I want

    That’s what I want

    Money don’t get everything it’s true
    What it don’t get, I can’t use
    Now give me money
    That’s what I want

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