Rangers-Devils in review


My math … you know by now to get your own calculators out to learn the truth when I start tossing numbers around.

But this is how I see it. If Winnipeg loses once in regulation in its final three (at Buffalo tonight, at Washington tomorrow, home against Montreal Thursday) then it can max out at 53 points. If the Rangers get two points in their final three games (at Florida tomorrow, at Carolina Thursday, vs. Devils Saturday) that’s 54.

Not going to break down all the possibilities with Bettman Loser’s Points, or the “ROW” tiebreaker, etc., and I’m pretty sure Winnipeg can still finish first in the SouthLeast, but that in that case Washington would finish behind the Rangers.

So the Rangers could clinch a spot as early as Tuesday night. I think.

Anyway, here’s my game story from The Journal News and LoHud.com.


1) I’m going to come right out and tell you that my favorite part of the game – maybe my favorite moment of the season — was when they played “Sweet Caroline” to honor the sports fans of Boston, and they showed that woman in the Bruins jersey waving the American flag. Chills. Goosebumps. Tears. Just freakin’ awesome. I also hadn’t heard until then that Neil Diamond flew to Boston to sing it in person at the Red Sox or Bruins game (not sure which) on Saturday.

2) Captain Callahan. Sure set a tone with those first few shifts … the goal at :34 on the great play by Hagelin (he’s made quite a few big plays lately), and then the two or three hits that followed. It didn’t seem the Devils were terribly interested in getting smacked around like that. Callahan understands that the voting for the Steven McDonald Extra Effort award is over, right?

3) You would think a team like the Devils, built for so long on discipline, would not get so crazy distracted during a  game that they needed to have just to keep their season going. Originally I thought the first conduct minor was to Pete DeBoer, but he said it wasn’t. So I don’t  know who it was, but the Rangers’ power play didn’t make the Devils pay at 2-0 there. Could have been devastating. Then Patrik Elias, the most experienced Devil, got one. Then DeBoer got himself a game misconduct – not that it mattered at that point. But, geez.

4) Must say, though, that the officiating was kind of, um, interesting. The call on Darroll Powe for roughing? The call on Hagelin for removing David Clarkson’s hat? The holding-the-stick call on D’Agostini after that thunderous, clean hit by Dan Girardi? The refs also let a few too-many-men incidents slide, at least two on the Rangers and one on the Devils. Several non-calls.

5) By the way, nice job by Chris Kreider jumping into the first pileup of the game. You have to like the way the kid’s been engaged. He sure had some more struggles, though. He’s learning. Slowly. I think next season he gets a full camp, makes the team, and gets a chance to learn on the fly here. And that he will be a very good player very soon, and for a long time.

6) The Taylor Pyatt goal got him the Broadway Hat, and good for him. But it was another night that made you wonder if the real Brad Richards – the one from last year, or at least the one not from this year, is coming around. And makes you wonder how much better this team is if the real Brad Richards is on it. Or is this a product of the opponents? I normally don’t get nuts about stats, but the guy has made a lot of plays the past three games, after that woeful game in Philly that had him so down in the dumps.

7) And if they have the real Richards, and if they have the recent-weeks Lundqvist, and if they can create just enough offense, who knows if they might shock somebody in the playoffs? Might be nice to be a big underdog with no pressure/expectations.

8) Back to the officiating. I like that they’re not calling it too tightly at this stage of the season, but it’s got to be hell for the players never knowing when one will be called, and then they make up a couple (see above).

9) Dan Girardi=Monster.

10) Also another good game for Ryane Clowe, who some of us were burying after the Philly game (along with many others). Still no idea if they re-sign him, but could be a massive cog in a playoff series.

11) Does anybody, including Skid Crosby, whine more than David Clarkson?

12) For an afternoon crowd, loaded with kids, and between Knicks playoff games, the Garden was pretty good Sunday. It wasn’t sustained by any stretch, but it was better than most nights. Of course, it helped that they were up 1-0 by the time John Amirante left the ice.

13) See the post below this one for more photos.

14) Critique it any way you want, but it’s 8-2-1 in the last 11.

15) So, not sure where I heard this, but some hockey scholar once said, “Fire this CLOWN, his players hate him and won’t play for his BS.”

My Three Rangers Stars:

1. Ryan Callahan.
2. Derek Stepan.
3. Dan Girardi.
(the real) Kenny Albert’s Three Rangers Stars:
1. Ryan Callahan.
2. Henrik Lundqvist.
3. Derek Stepan.
RangerJHW’s Three Rangers Stars:
1. The King….nothing more to say.
2. Capt Cally…nothing more to say.
3. Mr. Stepan…nothing more to say
HM-Brad Richards-do I dare to think I see the light? We are all pulling for you! In general-a solid team victory..knocking out the Devs…keep on truckin’ boys!

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  1. First…solid team effort….we will be tough out in playoffs and still think we have a shot at the Cup..maybe im just too optimistic

  2. while on the ground D’Agostini had Girardi’s stick under his armpit and wouldn’t let it go.

    thought Asham being hauled down and not called was way more questionable.

  3. Oh yeah. Boxscore says
    d’agostini got the misconduct in 1st not deboer.

    thought nbc said something devs had a major problem w/ ref (mooney?)
    due to his calls during SC game 6.
    looks like he doesn’t let’em play
    their clutch grab game
    as much as others

  4. Really don’t go for the post-game declarations that anyone was “outcoached”, but if the shoe was on the other foot (and Milbury hadn’t got hold of it first), I can imagine the reactions on here if, in such a big game, the Rangers coach had either taken or allowed his players to take two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and then got tossed from the game for opening his big mouth. And have his star goalie laughing it up on the bench in the last few minutes as his team’s season is officially going down the toilet.

  5. Kreider had said he was working on finishing his checks while he was in CT. He had two big hits last night, the second one took out two Devils. And how ’bout that speed.

  6. gregm_oldsection403 on

    Yes, it was a fun crowd yesterday. Even my 10 year old son noticed the inconsistencies with the officiating. At one point he yelled, “My squirt league refs are better than these guys!”

  7. Nice writeup, Carp. I think Brad Richards is looking like a first line center when he’s regularly playing against the opposition’s 3rd pair, may that’s where he belongs this year, and he knows it. I still disagree that we have only one first line player…perhaps, if you rate the players by annual salary, that would be true. I think they’re playing better than you give them credit for. The key is team play, and the whole is better than the sum of its parts.

  8. Thought Strahlman had a nice game, seems like he was on Kovalchuk most of it and #17 didn’t do much, except whine

  9. And yes, I’m been complaining about thed officiating all season…I think the officials could use a pre-season training camp along with everyone else!

  10. Sioux-per-man on

    Great game. Nice win. 2pts. Debbie’s are done!!!

    Nice to see the team take out the teams they should! No reason they can’t run the table the last three games.

  11. Admiral Akbar on

    LW at 6:52am is dead-on the money.

    How much would the People on the Ledge (“Ledgizens”?) call for Tortorella’s head for that complete embarassong meltdown at the hands of heated rival in a must-win game if it had been the Rangers trying to stave off elimination?

    How many would want Hank thrown out of town if he had been laughing it up on the bench while being pulled with 5 minutes left down 3 goals… And seen on national TV?

    And how many would want Nash or Richards thrown out, bought out, etc., if they just lost all sense of normalcy as did Elias yesterday?

    Be careful – if the Rangers fail to take care of business these next couple of games, they can easily find themselves with a must-win game next saturday in New Jersey.. And i’m sure the Devils would love to repay yesterday’s favor. You know they would benup for that game.

  12. does biron see another minute of ice time this year? One more win and we can legitimately discuss playoff seedings. Ottawa has a really difficult schedule down the stretch

  13. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    I like all your points and add, as usual, a couple more:

    1. If the real Richie Rich is finally stepping up to the plate, after 43 games and some crying, I like what I see, especially yesterday. The fact he won a few KEY face offs, had 2 converted assists and 3other potential, if finished, nice passes that could have been canned…..the stats then make anyone think it was a good game for him. He held the puck in a number of times. Get this…less stupid drop passes, too. Back on back check, kind of…..It was a real game!
    IF he is back and plays with Pyatt, those are 2 players that were an absolute waste all season. If they now have real value? The bottom of the line up has just gotten better.

    2. I guess you could say that Step and Cally play well together. Paired with Nash they’re good. But paired with Hags, they are FAST. The Devils slow defense could not stay with them. Size is a problem but not so much that this line can’t work. Yet another new first line? How many have we had already?

    3. There were empty seats in various areas of the arena on this baseball Sunday. Yea, there were kids. No, no free pass for the fans from this guy. That was a putrid effort for such an important game.

    4. They did it to this fan again. They beat two crapola teams by wide margins, but beat the arch rival in an elimination game with more players contributing and Hank playing like a ‘top of his game’ Hank can. I hate to even think it, but it seems this could be a team, especially we get a few players back, that could very well, possibly, be hard to beat in the playoffs.

    5. I eat crow. I did not think this game would be so easy. I thought Buffalo would be tough, too. Seems to me our boys are either beginning to play well or other teams are rolling over. Games of import for the opponent’s makes me think the latter. Oh, lord, don’t do this again to me!!!!

  14. My favourite part of the game:

    The “Sea-son O-ver” chants to Maarty and the Derbils. hahahahaha

  15. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    AA@7:34, So now, I’m thinking we keep Mr. Cash another year before the buyout (PROVIDED HIS GOOD PLAY CONTINUES).

    I am one of those that right off the bat, early in the season, I was calling for his head because it was so obvious he was not ready. Disgraceful? yes. But if he is back, IF, we are a much improved team.

    Hate to say it, but maybe he needed a good cry?

  16. carp

    great chatting last night after 2nd period.
    your math is correct. if the jets lose in buffalo in regulation tonight then rangers can clinch a spot with a win in florida tom. also the jets can lose in washington tom and we win we clinch. this could be over by tomorrow.

    we now are tied in ROW WINS with the isles so should we be tied at end we move ahead of them(assuming no more shootout wins)

    rangers 20 ROW wins ottawa 19. should we finish tied with them at end we are ahead again based on no more shootout wins for rangers

  17. Rob in Beantown on

    During the month of April the Rangers have played 11 games, with a record of 8-2-0-1
    have outscored opponents 41-21 in regulation+OT
    have scored an average of 3.73 goals/game
    are 22.3% on the Power Play
    are 85.3% on the PK
    Lundqvist has played every game
    Record: 8-2-0-1
    GAA: 1.91
    SV%: .935

  18. Good morning, boneheads!

    I’m back home in NY. Nice to be home.
    Great review, Carp!
    I was very surprised watching the Devils last night. Very little effort right from the start. Elimination game against the Rangers, no passion at all. Something is wrong across the river. Marty looked like he wanted to compensate his shortened by a deep PO run golf season last year by starting earlier this May.

    For people who were calling for Torts’ head because he “stubbornly” continued to play Richards shift after shift despite his obvious struggles. How does it look now? I always say, trust the pros. Tortorella knows his players, and he’s known Richards for years.

    One thing is obvious to me. And, granted, they’ve played against some horrible teams. Nonetheless, they are starting to play like a team.

  19. Funny how you always hear broadcasters say that The King is vulnerable to high shout, bot nary a broadcaster mentions that Maaaaarti is weak on plays that start behind the net or are wrap-arounds

    Think of some of the biggest goals against Uncle Daddy have come from behind the net (Leetch & Matteau in Game 7 in 1994 and Graves in 1997).

  20. Rob in Beantown on

    Anthony, makes sense given Brodeur is one of the few guys to still play mostly a stand-up style. I’d expect him to get beat more easily on wraparound shots. I was saying it all game Brodeur looked like he was out of position on a lot of those plays that started behind the net

  21. Stranger Nation on

    Torts still looks like a stubborn fool for watching Richards play like crap for 40 games and still putting him out in key situations – PP point please. Reality is he had little options with only Boyle and Halpern as other centers to put out there besides Step.

    Only when we get another center and Richards realizes he is now #3 on depth chart, does he decide contribute (after a good cry).
    Still a complete professional embarrassment at how much $$$$ this season? Couple of decent games against some stiffs who are out of it does not compensate for the prior 3 months.
    Richards will need to contribute mightily in POs to make up for his play up to date.

  22. good sign that Richards finally skating better …made a great play on the Pyatt goal creating turnover.

  23. SN- if Richards contributes the way he can in May/June, would you forget the 3 months?

  24. Rob in Beantown on

    If the Rangers make a deep playoff run during which Richards earns his salary I think most of us would be willing to forgive the previous 3 months

  25. Truth is, this is a much deeper team. JT has much more options with this lineup. They will need to find someone to score more next year, but they’re doing it as a team for now. Clowe has made much more impact than people give him credit at the moment. Hagelin elevated his game. I like what Asham has done too during this stretch. There was no way Carter would get away with his little cheap bump on Hank.

  26. Looks like we might have gotten Richards back in that Gaborik trade as well. It just gets better and better, eh?

    Brodeur laughing on the bench while getting blown out in the most important game of his season was …. wow. Embarrassing moment for Devils fans.

    Kovalchuk is really hurt. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him shut down for the year. Better call up Bickel for next Sunday since the Devils are probably just going to be jerks the whole game.

  27. Cross Check Charlie on

    2 points and eliminate the Devils at the same time. This season is getting better all the time!

  28. Ah yes this win was great, with a little “Maarty” and “Sea-son’s O-ver” and all that fun stuff, BUT I’m gonna be a Debbie Downer here and not get too excited until I see where we are next Sunday. The Devils could easily knock US out of the playoffs too…

  29. Stranger Nation on

    ilb – if Richards contributes for next 2 months (and he must IMO), I would even give him another year before buy-out, something I wouldn’t even have considered a week ago.

    Just win baby!!

  30. Stranger Nation on

    There is one more trade to make with Columbus – JD for Slats – straight up!!

  31. Oh, ilb, I know. Didn’t mean to be such a Miami Pimp ;) but being a Ranger fan, especially this season, I’m always bracing myself for the letdown. I have confidence (and I think this team does too) that we will win these next 2. It’s nice to see these guys play as a TEAM. I think that’s the biggest difference here than, say, 2 – 3 weeks ago.

  32. Clinching the playoffs is now essentially guaranteed. The Rangers goal MUST be to get out of the 8th spot and avoid the Crosby’s.

    We need to hope the Icelanders lose at least one game so we can get the 8th seed. Winning out shouldn’t be hard given our schedule.

  33. Stranger Nation on

    Isles schedule is as easy as ours – most likely Sens slip to 8th and we get Bs or whomever ends in 2nd

  34. Good morning all! Carp, totally agree on first thought.

    gregm, LOL!!

    Does anybody seriously think Hank would be even remotely amused in the same situation as Marty? Please.

  35. Thanks for the review, Carp. I’ll have to eat some crow after my scathing blog the day after the Flyers game. I’ll admit the team is doing what it needs to do to win games recently.

    However, they are playing teams who seems to be less interested in being out there on the ice, that’s for sure. The Devils did not look like they wanted to play hockey yesterday.

    I’ll be rooting for the Caps tomorrow night and we should close this out in Florida, then give Hank some rest.

  36. Carp, great review as always. The best part after a victory is reading your thoughts!

    My thoughts:

    1. I was in section 115 sitting right next to 4 devils fans. That was sweet!

    2. The Devils fans LOST THEIR MINDS when the section started chanting “Henriks better” when it was 4-0

    3. While this doesn’t compare to beating them in the Playoffs in any way, shape or form… Knocking them out in our building of the playoffs was cathartic.

    4. JOHN MOORE!! The kid is big, he is solid and strong. He has a big heavy shot from the point. I think he will turn out to be the most important part of the Gabby deal. His skating, something you can’t teach, is on par with McMonster. I have always thought that McMonster has an offensive side to his game that will develop. I can envision McMonster and Moore manning the points on the power play in the future. I think John Moore will end up being an amazing pick up for the NY Rangers!

    5. That TINY guy ,Zucc. I love that kid. He is probably 5’6″ and weighs about 150 lbs. But, he will throw a body check and go into the corners.

    6. Why the hell does Pyatt not shoot more????? That was an awesome wrist shot. USE IT!

    7. You cannot underestimate the importance of the early goal against Fatso/Uncle Daddy. it seemed to take the life out of the Devils.

    8. Carl Hagelins speed continues to amaze me. He is just blazing fast.

    9. The Kreider threw a few good checks. He is 6’3″ and a solid 230lbs. If he develops the physical side of his game, he could be a true force. He is being wasted on the 4th line though.

    10. Not sure about you guys, but I am very excited to see Derek Dorsett play. Everything you read about him screams heart and soul guy who could make a difference in the playoffs.


  37. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    That’s a great question!!! I will tell you that the MSG fans are wise to him. As the stars of the game were announced yesterday, he barely got even a ‘Bronx’ cheer. I guess that says something when the other two guys got boistrous cheers!

    Would be the BEST trade of the decade!!

  38. Exactly, Blogmama. I can’t believe he was all smiles and laughing on the bench. That, as well as their CAPTAIN Parise leaving for the money last summer, shows what kind of culture that organization embodies. I mean, just take their “fans” for instance, who would rather cheer AGAINST the opposing team (listen to them during their goal song for heaven’s sake!) than root FOR their own team. There’s no such thing as a “Devils fan”.

  39. Gaborik update for those interested:

    While CBJ are making a very solid run and look like they are going to the playoffs, in Gabby’s last 5 games he has one assist. No goals. So 3 goals and 4 assists in 10 games for them.

    I love Gabby as much as anyone but it does look like his struggles have continued there.

  40. I think the Bruins clinched 2nd. So if we finish 7th (get in first!) then we would play them.

  41. Sioux-per-man on

    #6 – I was wondering the same thing. Is it the teams we are playing out of the playoffs? Or that he is scoring on the 3rd line, and not getting shut down playing against other teams top line. Perhaps a combination of both. Does it really matter? Richards gets his FIRST hat trick of his career over the weekend. Nice to see.

    Talk all you want about the lines, and who plays with who, but Torts found something that seems to be working, so I wouldn’t change a thing. Give Boyle all the time he needs, and a little more.

  42. You still buy Richards out after this season. One season to the next changes things and I will not chalk up 40 games of being a shell of who he was as a slump for a guy in his early 30s making the money he’s making.

  43. Sioux-per-man on

    The play that surprised me the most against the Devils was Richards stealing the puck, dishing to Pyatt, and Pyatt scores!!!

    A 2 for 1 special? Two fishes off the hook in 1 play. I’ll take a 2nd helping of that please.

  44. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Gabby and his mythical 40 goals are long a thing of the past. We fleeced them in that trade. It is working out for CBJ as they are playing better too. I’d do gabby for the three wise man 20 out of 10 times.

  45. Sioux-per-man on

    Manny – I think we beat Boston in a 7 game series. They are not as tough with the injuries they have had at the end of the season.

  46. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    If the rangers make a deep run EC finals ( tho I am thinking cup finals) Richards will remain next year. Just not the rangers way to do otherwise. The fact they kept the worthless halogen lamp (Halperen)as long as they did is telling enough.

  47. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Corey price will have a 6.84 GAA in the Habs first round no matter the opponent. I hope it’s us.

  48. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    No letdowns. The throat stepping must continue. The playoffs have started and the rangers are alive and well.

  49. There is no one on the market after this season who can replace Richards if he plays well. And I do not think he is finished. After 2014, however, not using their last amnesty buy out on him would be a horrible decision that can sink this team for years.

  50. Stranger Nation on

    Ex3 – throat stomping must not be stopped!!!!
    don’t give up the fight, you never give up the fight!

    re Gabby (amazing what Vinny is doing in stretch run)
    You can fool some people sometimes,
    But you can’t fool all the people all the time.
    So now we see the light (what you gonna do?),
    We gonna stand up for our rights! (yeah, yeah, yeah! )

  51. The rangers have no choice but to buy out Richards after next year. They will need the money and cap space to resign, Callahan, Girardi and Lundqvist.

  52. Is This Real? on

    Gotta hand it to the NYR for this run they are on…playing their best puck of the season and surprise surprise Boyle not in the lineup

  53. if the bruins lose horton again they are totally beatable. Plus henrik over tukka in a heart beat. however there is still much work to be done to get there. does biron play a minute? Do we do everything in our power to avoid the 8th seed?

  54. Sioux-per-man on

    I think the Gaby trade was a win/win trade for both teams. I really do.

    Brassard has 9 pts in 10 games. Gaborik has 7. He has alot more skill than I thought he did. He could easily be a 50-60 point center for the Rangers centering the 2nd line. But we needed depth at Center, and help on the Power Play, it seems that he can help on both. Brassard is the biggest winner in this deal. A chance to play on Broadway, on a winning team, that is playoff bound EVERY year.

    John Moore – could be the real deal here. Another 1’st round pick. Very young, but in his 10 games he is a plus 6. He skates as good as ANYONE on the Blue line, so we just might have stole anohter first round Blue liner. Moore is a solid addition for the 3rd pair. Allows the Rangers to put the rusty Hamr away for good. Then there was that fight….still giggling over that.

    Dorsett hasn’t even played a game yet, and he is “forecasted” to be a MSG fan favorite for his grit and toughness. And that WAS MISSING all year long in this team.

    This trade was a win for the Rangers. Gaborik is still a favorite player of mine for his speed and skill, but he wasn’t really a blueshirt type of player, if he didn’t score.

    So new life for 4 players, which looks to be a win for everybody involved in the deal.

  55. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Great review carp!!

    Why did asham get a 10 minute at the end of the game?

    IF (big if) we have clinched by the next debs game, I would love to see mcilrath up for the game to introduce himself to a devil or two around the crease!!

  56. Sioux-per-man on

    Now – I’ll really laugh if the Rangers find another “Lundqvist” in the 6th round. And he turns out to play on varsity in 5 years.

  57. Sioux-per-man on

    Wicky – I was wondering the same thing. They didn’t catch it on NBC, but they cut away on everything don’t they?

  58. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Eddie x 3
    I’m very excited to see him, but at this point, who comes out? You have to think when Boyle is ready, kreider is out. I think pyatt offers a bit more offencive upside so powe?

    I know, their coverage blows

    I’m making the call now, if we don’t re-sign clowe, it will be a HUGE mistake.

  59. Keep thinking Richards should be given another year before concidering the buyout (even before the past few games success). We all know how bad he has been, but also know how good and consistant he was before this year. The guy comes across as a professional that does care (we keep hearing how much he REALLY cares), and is respected by his teammates as a leader. Will this years performance make him work that much harder in the off season to have a major comback next year? Most people agree, Gaboriks season with the Rangers was a fluke, and that he will be back to scoring a ton of goals before long. So why would Richards, only a year older also not have something left in the tank? I think the off season will show how much of a leader and professional he truly is. I personally think he turns things around and has a great season next year.

  60. Good morning, Carp!

    Makes sense for these guys: “Might be nice to be a big underdog with no pressure/expectations.”

  61. agree completely with ilb

    after 2014 with hank cally and girardi to pay richards needs to be amnesty for sure especially when lets be honets he is now slotted in as our 3rd line center behind step and brassard. you cant be paying him that money after next year for him playing those kind of minutes

  62. if dorsett is ready he comes in and kreider comes out. easy decision for torts based on torts having issues trusting kreider defensively.

    now if boyle comes back powe could sit again.

  63. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Clowe must be signed. The guy plays the right way. Haven’t had someone like him on the team in a long time. Strong, quiet, and a leader. Clutch playoff performer. He might just lead the team in scoring this post season. Playing him with brassard and Nash is a stroke of genius.

  64. somehow it will come down to saturday. this week will be stressful they dont like making things easy.

    best case scenario

    ottawa loses tonight to pens

    winnipeg loses in buff(not likely) or in washington tom (likely) caps can clinch div with win.

    rangers beat florida( clinch playoff spot tom

    rangers win out

    what this all means based on this above if we cant be less then 7th.

  65. 15) Carp you only seem to include this comment after a win, but not a loss. I don’t even think it was a big deal, and would guess most fans don’t, but if you’re going to keep bringing it up at least be consistent.

    Torts isn’t a “clown”, but was rightfully on the hot seat when the comment was tweeted. Last year’s regular season was great, but we were 10-10 in the playoffs after all of that. Before that there are 2 first round exits (one including a blown 3-0 lead and a suspension for the coach) and a year of early golf. We’ll see what happens this year but there’s still a lot for him to prove and beating a non-playoff team in April doesn’t do it.

  66. Buffalo won’t make the playoffs this season, but they can still spoil the Jets’ chances on Monday.
    Winnipeg is three point out of eighth place with just three games left. The two teams will play on Monday. “I guess you can say jealousy breeds a little bit of frustration, and if they have a chance at this, we can possibly knock them off and make them feel the same way that we feel,” Steve Ott said. “Personally and pride-wise, I would like to do that to another team so they can have this same feeling.”


  67. I just think Brodeur isthat good any more.

    if the debbies had lundqvist everything is different.

  68. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    Sioux @ 9:41, Richard’s hat trick was the ugliest ever. One has to wonder if he gave some of his millions to Miller and crew as a bribe. On a real day against a real team, do any of them go in?

    However, it did seem to give him some confidence. That’s what matters.

  69. iDoodie Machetto on

    Does anyone have video of the Girardi hit? I was on the road at the time. I would love to see that little jerk D’Agostini get crushed.

  70. I think Clowe *will* be re-signed. Let’s just hope it isn’t insane. We can’t make the same mistake we made letting Prust walk.

  71. Eddie 3xs… 9:45 werd way up!!!!

    Gabby too flabby, getting in bad habbys, beard is kind of shabby, 40 next year?not probably, his English kind of stabby, needs to grow some Valdespinnys pretty badly.


  72. Sioux-per-man on

    PBR – I think we have to. Biron should sit the rest of the way, unless Hank is injured or pulls something.

    The clash with Pittsburgh should be avoided, but right now I think the Rangers could beat them, if Richards can continue scoring Hat Tricks :)

  73. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    Chris @ 10:42:

    Whoever you are, your comment is ridiculous. When an ex-player makes a silly comment like that (and I loved Avery and miss him) it highlights the type of individual he was in the locker room. When have you heard an ‘ex’ speak out like that…ever???

    And, since he did, our team is ..what? 8-2?

    It makes SENSE for Carp to make that comment after a nice run which CLEARLY proves it ain’t the coach. Sorry, crawl back into your hole, wherever that would be.

  74. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    Manny, vibin as usual. I agree, I think unless Clowe is ridiculous in his demands he gets resigned. Three years should get him (if he is real)at $3.75-4.0. j

    Yes, he is slow, but he does things we haven’t had in a while. Goes to the net and can’t be moved out by most d-men (Chara is a different story). He’s got an eye for the net and knows when he needs to duke it out for the team. He’s slow but smart.

    That 2nd goal yesterday was as much him as it was Step. I don’t know if he got an assist or not, but his huge body was the reason Marty couldn’t see a thing.

  75. Sioux-per-man on

    Clowe needs to stay. We all agreee. I don’t think we gave up 3 drafts picks for a rental. I think he wants to stay and play on Broadway, his game fits how Tort’s wants to play. His toughness is needed.

  76. Yea, Matty. Clowe adds something that this team was lacking and it’s clearly something that isn’t available en masse out there on the free market.

  77. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Couldn’t agree more, I honestly thought clowe redirected that puck in, not step

  78. Doodie Machetto on

    “I don’t think we gave up 3 drafts picks for a rental.”

    They only give up two if he’s a rental. The third comes only if he’s resigned.

    Personally, I’d happily let him walk.

  79. iCCCP - Who Gives A Puck?! on

    Great review as always, Carp.

    Excellent photo gallery! Especially close up Hank and his mask. How do I get a job at Getty Image? :)

  80. OK, I’ll admit it, I was wrong about the Gaborik trade, Brassard and Moore are better than I thought and Dorsett seems like a guy that could help next year. I still think Gaborik will score 40 next year, but, the team is definitely better since the trade with the increased lineup depth.

  81. Matty”Sather should have known better”Boy @ 10:58

    What’s ridiculous is you connecting the comment to the subsequent 8-3 record. If this team needed a tweet from an ex-player to turn things around, what does that say about the motivational job the coach has done this season??

    And Carp didn’t make this comment after the run, he’s made it after a few games, but all wins. I just ask for consistency out of the media, that’s all.

  82. Cross Check Charlie on

    “Then there was that fight….”

    That wasn’t a fight. That was a beat down. Moore just pummeled him.

  83. Matty”Sather should have known better”Boy @ 10:58

    “It makes SENSE for Carp to make that comment after a nice run which CLEARLY proves it ain’t the coach. Sorry, crawl back into your hole, wherever that would be.”

    This is a bit ridiculous too. If anything, this 8-3 run looks to be the result of the trades which were made rather than a change in what the coaches are doing.

    I remember Renney having a few nice late season runs as well, how did that work out?

  84. Doodie Machetto on

    eric, Pittsburgh has nothing to play for. They are going to rest anyone who even has a bruise.

  85. We do lose a pick if he walks. If we sign him it becomes a 2nd rounder. If he walks it’s a 5th.

  86. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Doodie – are you still against the gabby trade? I think if Sather didnt make those moves, the rangers would be in 13th place.

  87. _Personally, I’d happily let him walk._

    Unless he’s coming on a far lighter deal than expected, I’m with you. Sink the cost, don’t double down.

  88. According to some reports, the parameters of his future deal were discussed with Sather. So he probably has a good idea what he wants to do with Clowe

  89. anything more then 3 years to clowe he could walk. he will ask for 5-6 years and i would totally be against it

  90. Doodie, it’s this years 2nd and 3rd and if clowe resigns with the raqngers it’s a 3rd next year and if clowe walks it’s a 5th next year instead of a 3 and are you ever happy with anything the rangers do? I know, you still want Kovalchuk.

  91. It just dawned on me that we may now have the best offense in NHL history. Gabby was obviously clogging the drain

  92. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I want a player like Clowe on my team. The guy has “assisted” on quite a few goals without it showing on the score sheet by parking his assen in the crease. Some great screens.

    That hustle at the end of the first period against buffalo, with under 4 seconds to play, after the rangers just went up 2-0 with 10 seconds to play, speaks volumes about who he is as a player. How many other skaters forecheck with just a few ticks on the click like that??????

  93. Stranger Nation on

    Doodie – 8:50 of the 1st Danny G lowered the shoulder on Dagbag as he was coming in to lay a hit on DG. Dagbag folded like a cheap suit and then held DG’s stick as the puck went off into the corner.

    In Sum – DG knocked him on his assen and then drew a penalty on the same clown. Too bad our pp was a slow dribble yesterday or the game could have been over then…

  94. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Nash is going to love the space Clowe provides as well.

    Doodie – replay the rangers 3rd goal the other night against FLA, when Clowe grabbed the puck – circled around the cage and threw a perfect pass to zucchini who then scored. He didnt look mired in molasses on that play. In fact, he looked quicker than a bunny.

  95. Stranger Nation on

    thought Nash needed to get him skates sharpened again yesterday – too much slip sliding away. May be trying to do too much.
    Needs to let the game come to him like Gabby…

  96. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Give torts credit for the current lines. A touch of genius. 3 lines that can score and the 4th line is a typical checking line. Once Doresett comes back – he goes on Richards’ line. 4th line come playoffs a combination of Asham Powe Boyle Kreider and Pyatt.

  97. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Dagbag came in looking to nail DG and DG just lowered his shoulder *BOOM down goes dagbag, down goes dagbag, down goes dagbag*

  98. ps, next time they lose I’ll post the FIRE THIS CLOWN quote, so that this media member will be seen as fair and balanced :)

  99. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ricardo – have you had a chance to stop by Clowe’s locker and tell him – we be lovin his assen on our team?

  100. Stranger Nation on

    hope Carp doesn’t have to post the Avery motivation saying till next season

    19 wins in a row – can feel it coming!!

  101. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Doesn’t gabby hang with Avery? Maybe it was gabby who ( clearly) wasnt playing for the clown.

  102. Has the economy tanked, Carp? $2 got me a bagel and coffee this morning. I think a sense of humor would cost more…

  103. Rob in Beantown on

    Just got a phone buzz that Richards was named one of the NHL’s 3 stars of the week

  104. Any Staal updates? IF Dorsett can go soon and Boyle, too, who sits? Kreider obviously, but I have a feeling it will be Asham also….and I won’t be happy about that. Boyle = Powe with size, so I’d just drop BB to the 4th line and sit Powe. We know Pyatt isn’t going anywhere…..esp since he’s on fire (for him) and has been playing well with the new Brad Richards.

  105. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The 3 eddies, and there are others, totally dig what the Clowe-ster brings to this team – thx for for telling him when you do…..

  106. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Powe has been playing good hockey of late. Kreider will sit. Asham needs to play too. Depth isn’t so much a problem right now.

  107. Carp,
    Do you believe the organization and Staal when they say that the damage to his eye will not affect his play? How can it not?
    If I’m blurry in my right eye, I can’t see crap on the right…No amount of left eye takeover is going to make up for my blurry right eye?

  108. nothing really on Staal, Erixon. Dorsett’s getting close to clearance for contact. That’s all at this point. so who knows who would be health and/or playing well when he’s ready?

  109. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Late last season Pyatt started heating up for the Yotes and he carried it into the playoffs. Lets hope we catch fire in a bottle this year too.

  110. DagStini was so disorientated by Girardi bone crusher he had to clamp Gmans stick tightly under his arm because he thought he was going to fall through the ice. Baboom!????

  111. Carp Best post of the year on one of the best games of the year. You’re correct, things could be falling in place all at the right time. Spot on with Richards, this Jeckle/ Hyde player can really make a clear difference when he’s playing his best. You never know ‘The Perfect Storm” Go Rangers. Neil Diamond appeared at Fenway Park. In fact he flew in on the RedEye to do that. Real nice gesture

  112. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Carp – I read somewhere – in an interview with Staal – that he said the right eye is still blurry – not sure how accurate it is…

  113. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    One month ago the Rangers were 29th in scoring. Now 17th. Great trades.

    Extend Sather

  114. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Sather made the trip – on the bench watching – port-o-potty nearby >>>>>>>

  115. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – Islanders have 3 games all on the road. Do you think the Rangers jump over them for the 7th spot?

  116. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The rangers’ trades were one small step this season, one G..Giant leap come the playoffs.

  117. Rob in Beantown on

    Maybe not though.. if Rask plays well he can steal some games. Maybe better to play somebody more porous..

  118. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Rob – Chara was banged up late yesterday too… The bruins and habs will both lose in the first round.

  119. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – Area 51 was dress rehearsal. I saw the moon walks thru my high powered telescope.

  120. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Latona – I had John Fabian over for dinner years ago…. He flew 2 shuttle missions…. He assured me the moon landings were real.

  121. Stranger Nation on

    Sioux – me thinks the Sens have the tougher row to hoe – would be nice to have them finish 8th to watch Neil and Co. beat the snot out of Pissburg – even when/if Pens win, they will be the worse for wear


    that would be a fun first round!!

  122. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Rangers can beat the jets, patriots, ravens, and broncos – bring on the AFC…. We can only hope ray Lewis doesn’t murder someone……

    Ray Lewis # 52, 5 minute major for fighting, 10 minute misconduct for stabbing, and a game misconduct for shooting and killing…at 13:45 in the first period.

  123. Carp, in response to #6, don’t you think both instances of “from” should be replaced with “by”?

  124. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Carp – John Fabian told a great story on Neil Armstrong : NASA was concerned about bone density loss in space and wanted Neil to exercise vigorously – but he refused – saying “you are born with only so many heartbeats and if you exercise, you use them up faster”

    Fabian also mentioned that the Apollo 13 movie didnt quite depict the situation accurately as *all three astronauts were very sick with high (103) fevers* but Hollywood thought that would seem over the top and made it out to just one was really ill)

  125. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    He is a fascinating person. Scheduled to fly on the challenger mission in 86 (the one that exploded) but he was concerned (as was his wife) about safety issues – so he bailed …. Reagan then appointed him on the commission to find out what went wrong – a very cool guy ….

  126. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ray Lewis “the lord is a forgiving lord – he knows I be not killing anyone – and if I did, I am forgiven”

  127. Rob in Beantown on

    Eddiex3, how early did he bail? Wasn’t the problem something with the O-rings being too cold the morning of the launch? How would he have foreseen that problem earlier than the day of or so?

  128. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    He bailed maybe a year earlier – O rings were the problem on launch day – but the engineers were concerned that safety was becoming compromised – Fabian is an engineer – he also flew quite a few sorties in Vietnam.

  129. >>Good morning, boneheads!

    That got me thinking… The title of this blog should be changed to “Rangers Boneheads Central”.

  130. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Fabian told me “it was only a matter if time that something bad was going to happen”

  131. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Rob – we can continue this conversation later if you want – I have to leave in a couple of minutes to go preach to the willing….

  132. Sioux-per-man on

    If Ottaway loses it’s game tonight we jump over them for 7th. Correct?

    If the Islander drop one game and Ranger win the last 3 we would sneak into the 6th spot.

    So it’s still possible to get the Capitals in the 1’st round.

    Wouldn’t that be the weakest 1’st round opponent?

  133. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, now that the Whale didn’t make the playoffs, when can we expect to see the mass call up of guys to get NHL practices in?

  134. Wow, Doodie. The parts that weren’t in pansy french were telling. I guess Stefan and Stephane (super pansy names) are like the NHL’s version of Prince and Cecil Fielder.

  135. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I would love to make a countermovie to that movie:

    The opening credits roll and the movie title comes up “Did We Go to the Moon?”

    The screen goes black for a second.

    Then the word “Yes.”

    Then the end credits roll.

  136. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Fact if the matter, the space station is visible to the naked eye some nights….

  137. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – Looks like Stefan should have stayed a Sioux. Another 1’st rounder that bailed on the Sioux in the last minute. Some of these kids need a couple of years to grow up. It takes a special player to ready to play in the NHL at 18.

    Miller and Stefan would have helped their Development had they both stayed

  138. i don’t think we’ll see that, Doodie, Maybe one or two guys. Or guys called up to practice separately just in case of injuries.

  139. Sioux-per-man on

    or do you think it’s “even” as long as the Rangers finish above the 8th spot?

  140. I personally would think sixth seed would be best, but we saw last year that seeds and preferred opponents didn’t really matter.

  141. here you go, Doodie:

    @stevezipay 1m

    Sather confirms that with Whale out of playoffs, some players – like last year – will join Rangers for practice. Guessing Miller, Newbury

  142. Let’s not kid ourselves, each of the 3 top teams – Pens, Bruins, Caps- would be a tough first round draw. What the Rangers have going is the best player on the ice at all times who can singlehandedly dominate and win games- Hank.

  143. home games during Playoffs – please drop the girly R-A-N-G-E-R-S song and rock “Welcome to the Terrordome”

    Kickin Off An Era
    Cold Deliverin’ Pain

  144. I don’t think anybody’s kidding themselves, but there is a glimmer of optimism now, compared to, um, after the Philly game, or many other times this season.

  145. Sioux-per-man on

    Agree – If they play the next 3 games like they did the last 3 games. They go into the playoffs thinking they can beat anyone in a 7 game series.

  146. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, I think JT Miller made a good choice by going to Portland. He didn’t need to get the athletics and fundamentals that are best taught in the college game. He needed to work on the creativity and the individual skill that are best developed in juniors.

    Matteau probably just should have played for any other team than the one his dad coaches.

  147. Sioux-per-man on

    Hank playing at .935 save percentage, Richard’s line scoring, & getting 1 power play goal per game. Rangers could be a tough draw for any team in the NHL.

  148. We still suck. Del zaster is a disgrace.

    Add fleury and letang to Crosby Malkin Neal Martin all out tonight vs Ottawa.

    I know the PA announcer very well down in Florida. Free tix for me Tom night. It’s $149 round trip airfare. Anyone want to come roadtrip? My wife cousin house 6 miles from arena.

    Bonehead roadtrip?

  149. Doodie Machetto on

    What I said the conditions to sit Lundqvist once before the playoffs began in the last game of the season before were:

    1) To be locked into a playoff seed, with no chance to move up or down; and
    -2) For the Devils to be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs-

    One down, one to go.

  150. Doodie Machetto on

    eric, aren’t the tickets always free? I heard a story that they were giving away parking with the tickets and the parking was worth more than the tickets were, so people were buying the ticket packages but then just going to other places near the arena instead of the game itself.

  151. Rob in Beantown on

    _I heard a story that they were giving away parking with the tickets and the parking was worth more than the tickets were, so people were buying the ticket packages but then just going to other places near the arena instead of the game itself._

    That is awesome.

  152. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – agree on Matteau!!! Fighting Sioux Program > Daddy’s Program.

    Now let’s consider Millers. He didn’t help the Rangers win to many games this year with his 4 points. And didn’t help the Whale get into the playoffs. But the experience was valuable, remember it cost the Rangers the 1’s year of his pro contract.


    Playing for the Sioux. He may have less games than Portland but he is playing with 15 other NHL drafted players on the same team. Playing against 20-22 year old in college players, very much like the Kreiders and Hags playing their 3rd and 4th years. He still plays for USA and wins a Gold medal. Then returns to dominate at this level and perhaps plays for an NCAA champion ship, while growing and getting stronger physically for the NHL.

    Now it didn’t hurt Parise, Toews, Oshie, Zajac, Stafford, Frattin, and you will notice Nelson next year on the Islanders. Which he dominated in the AHL this year by being the points leader for his AHL team.

    Then come to camp next year. Both players would have benifitted. I’m a 1,000% certain they would have been farther ahead mentally and physically.

    But he is 1 year closer, to his second pro contract. If he gets that far.

  153. Hopefully this posts correctly but the table below is the probability of the Rangers finishing in any given spot at the end of the season based on their record in the final three games. Data is courtesy of Sports Club Stats which runs monte carlo simulation. The biggest assumption is wins are predicted based on opponent’s record and a slight home field advantage.

    To summarize, the probabilty of finishing 5th/6th/7th/8th/9th is 5%/32%/34%/27%/3%.

    Record 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th Total
    3-0-0 4.6% 17.5% 5.4% 0.5% 0.0% 27.9%
    2-0-1 0.3% 5.2% 4.4% 1.0% 0.0% 10.9%
    2-1-0 0.2% 8.1% 16.7% 8.8% 0.0% 33.8%
    1-1-1 0.0% 0.7% 3.4% 4.4% 0.1% 8.6%
    1-0-2 0.0% 0.2% 0.7% 0.5% 0.0% 1.4%
    0-0-3 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.1%
    1-2-0 0.0% 0.2% 2.7% 9.2% 1.2% 13.4%
    0-1-2 0.0% 0.0% 0.1% 0.4% 0.1% 0.5%
    0-2-1 0.0% 0.0% 0.1% 1.0% 0.6% 1.7%
    0-3-0 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.8% 1.0% 1.7%
    Total 5.0% 31.9% 33.5% 26.6% 2.9% 100.0%

  154. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – but you would have to see the Program and the Facilities to understand it from my point of view.

  155. Sioux-per-man on

    The Panthers should hire Lindy Ruff to turn that progam around. They have alot of young talent coming up.

  156. Doodie – did you hear that on Hockey Central? I heard those guys saying the ticket was $7 and you got free parking so you could buy the ticket to the game and take your wife out to dinner and save $15 on parking.

  157. Doodie Machetto on


    The choice for Miller to be brought up is irrelevant to him going to juniors or being in the NCAA. The Rangers didn’t have to burn his contract year. Nobody held a gun to their heads. He could have spent the whole year in the AHL without that contract being burned.

    “Parise, Toews, Oshie, Zajac, Stafford, Frattin”

    You know what all of those guys have in common? All of them were much more talented and creative than Miller, while none of them were as physically strong as Miller was coming out of the draft. Miller is a specimen. But he’s not a high upside player. Going to juniors let him try and develop his offensive game. Div 1 hockey is about athletics and fundamentals. And it’s awesome for that.

  158. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I may have heard it there, but it’s definitely not the only place I’ve heard about that.

  159. Onecupin73yearsandcounting on

    I don’t get the Neil Diamond thing with that Sweet Caroline, although in 1966 my father bought a Chrysler 300 (383) and the day we picked up it from the Plymouth dealer in MT Vernon Buccheri motors, and the first song I heard in the new car was Neil Diamond Cherry Cherry.. PS car was stolen in 69

  160. Sioux, 1:52……some do not appreciate college as an option in developing prospects and prefer they develop in major junior. I personally think the level of development in college depends on the program, coach and skill level of the particular player. Howvever, there may be diminishing returns the longer a prospect stays in school. 3 or 4 years may be too long, especially for the higher skilled prospects. It all depends but lots a variables go into the outcome.

  161. Sioux-per-man on

    Look at all the NHL talent on the Rangers that played in College

    Stepan – Wisconsin 2 yrs
    McDonagh – Wisconsin 3 yrs
    Hagelin – Michigan 4 yrs
    Kreider – BC – 3 yrs

    Miller’s short cut hasn’t put him any farther ahead than the these Rangers playing on the varsity team.

  162. Sioux-per-man on

    I agree Papa – that’s why I was saying Miller playing for 2 years for the Sioux. Playing for a top tier program next to Grimaldi, and winning Championship. My opinion only. But he didn’t help either the Whale or Rangers win this year. No dought he is going to help in future years. Just this year, my opinion, he would have developed more, played more, in all situations. AND he would have made a difference on the team.

  163. It is about time Lundqvist is receiving offensive support, albeit it has only been a few games. If the Rangers can sustain the scoring, as long as they have Lundqvist in net, they have a legitimate chance to win Lord Stanley’s Cup.

  164. Sioux-per-man on

    One Cup – Nothing like 20,000 or 57,000 fans all singing together. I wish I would have been there.

  165. Rob in Beantown on

    For completeness’ sake, Boyle, Gilroy, Bickel, and Powe also played US college hockey. There may be others I am forgetting or was not aware of.

  166. Sioux-per-man on

    Papa I almost think the Ranger talked him out of taking the College rout.

    Had he not been drafted in the 1’st round he would have stay’d a Sioux.

  167. Doodie Machetto on

    Kreider’s 3 years at BC haven’t really pushed him into excellence, either.

  168. Sioux-per-man on

    Rob – you should see the Wall of Stanley Cup Champions at the RALPH. It speaks volumes.

    I believe, deep down in my nuggets, that MILLER would have put his name on that wall :)

  169. Sioux-per-man on

    No but it hasn’t really hurt him either. But remember he broke his jaw the 2nd year, which took away alot of his ice time.

  170. Sioux-per-man on

    I’m just saying… some of these kids need a couple of years developing. Just because they are drafted in the 1’st round, doesn’t mean they are NHL ready.

    Hence Stefan & Miller, both UND committed recrutes. Both decommitted after being drafted in the 1’st round.

    Both should have stayed. That’s where I was coming from.

  171. Doodie Machetto on

    All I’m saying is it’s hard to second guess his choice, especially since that choice got him into the AHL faster.

  172. Sioux-per-man on

    Obvisiouly Stefan Matteau needs to grow up some more. The two years in college might have done that kid a world of good.

  173. Doodie Machetto on

    I think his biggest problem was picking daddy’s team. Hard to grow under those circumstances, not jsut as a player, but as a man.

  174. Sioux, Doodie, Personally I believe a suitable course of development for most college players who are considered level 1 prospects would bev2 years max in school followed by a stint in the AHL ………repeat…….for most level 1 prospects.

    I feel the 3rd and 4th year in school are more of the “same old same old” and probably end in a diminishing return on investment.

  175. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – no doubt. It’s a win for Miller from a contract point of view.

    But for the Rangers point of view, they wouldn’t have had to burn his first year in the entry deal.

    Now maybe the “experience” of playing Whale & Rangers games put him a year ahead.

    But if the Whale didn’t make the playoffs, and the Rangers don’t have a spot for him just yet.

    We’ll see. But I was commenting from Stefan Matteau point of view, from the article that he quit his junior team. Stefan was also a Fighting Sioux recruit.

  176. Sioux-per-man on

    Papa I agree. Depends on the teams needs and wants, and where the player is. For example Parise played 2 years, then a full year in the AHL during the lockout. Clearly was a team leader on and off the ice. And was ready for the Devils team that needed talent that can score goals.

    Take a player like that off a team and BAM…. you’re out of the playoffs :)

  177. Sioux-per-man on

    Now for Hagelin 4yrs worked for him. He was still adjusting to the USA. The Rangers had no idea what they had in their 6th round pick. But I think Hags developed into a better pro by learning from a tier 1 program and a great coach in college. Only helped him as a stronger older college player.

  178. Sioux-per-man on

    Toews did the same thing. Played for Sioux for 2 years in 06 & 07. And made the Chicago team the next year out of camp, and they played the youth right away. 3 years later they win the cup.

  179. I’m with you, Carp. Best part of the game was Sweet Caroline. I was actually disappointed when it ended! Those guys fixed the glass to soon!

    I miss Sweet Caroline. Even though it was from the Renney years, and it’s apparently a Boston thing, I still loved it. Beats the hell out of the crap MSG plays after NYR wins. Last year with that annoying Coldplay song, with the Jay Z song, and now this years garbage.

    Gotta get better tunes!

  180. Sioux-per-man on

    With Stepan – Brassard – Richards at center.

    Do you feel Miller makes the team out of camp next year?

  181. Doodie Machetto on

    “they wouldn’t have had to burn his first year in the entry deal. ”

    They didn’t have to do that if he played only in the AHL. They burned the year when he played his 10th game.

  182. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – if they sent him to juniors. I thought the Whale as a pro would also burn his first year of his 2 way deal, since it is a pro team.

  183. Sioux-per-man on

    Orr – I start every Poker tournament with Sweet Caroline :) It’s the first song on my ipod when I’m in a major tournament.

  184. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    Rob @ 1:49:

    Lol!! Hey, Mr. Bettman, let’s force some more expansion on this league. Where next? Hawaii??

  185. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – nice article. I forgot he wasn’t drafted in juniors, so he was AHL available.

    Now is he ahead in development? We shall see.

  186. Rob in Beantown on

    I just heard it from Doodie. I was quoting the post directly above that one.

  187. Was pretty great to be at that game yesterday afternoon but other than a few decent moments, the crowd was pretty much garbage. Eliminating the Devils from playoff contention, getting a big win, inching 2 points closer to a now almost inevitable playoff spot, and there was hardly energy in the building for most of the game. That the building was about 40% empty didn’t help but still.

  188. Doodie Machetto on

    In fact, since Manny reminded me about the Hockey Central story, Doug MacLean specifically says how he would use the tickets and then go to PF Chang’s instead.

  189. Rob in Beantown on

    $7 per game, with a free jersey and free parking is a great deal. Even if it means you need to watch the Florida Panthers every game.

  190. Dorsett, not big, led the NHL in penalty minutes last year, more than Rinaldo, 60 more than Chris Neil. Also, he wears an ‘A” – Interesting new team we are developing here.

  191. Rob in Beantown on

    You can get season tickets to the Panthers for what it costs to see one game at MSG.

  192. I just went back and watched yesterday’s game. Very solid effort, I agree with carp. Goosebumps and chills when they featured that woman in the bruins gear.

  193. Doodie Machetto on

    From Katie Strang’s Charp:

    @Alex (Anaheim)

    Do you think Stepan is a star in the making, or just getting hot at the right time?

    Katie Strang
    (3:08 PM)
    I think he’s a legitimate first-line center. The fact that Tortorella is touting him, in terms of importance to the team, in the same breath as Ryan Callahan and Henrik Lundqvist tells you something. Has had some up and down points in previous two seasons, but that’s to be expected given his age. At 22 years old, Stepan definitely showing signs of becoming a star in this league. Shoot, the guy did have a hat trick in his first NHL game!@

    Carp, talk to Katie and explain why he is not a legit #1C.

  194. Stepan is this team’s 1st line Center. And the point I made before still stands, not every team in the NHL has a first line Center. They are few and far between and I think Stepan has the ability to be an NHL second line Centerman which, on this team, is a first line Center.

  195. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I agree with all of your points. It doesn’t make Katie’s statement that he is a “legitimate first line center” correct.

  196. I think the issue at hand is that your first line center needs to be a 60+ point guy and Stepan isn’t. He’s been first line center by default for most of his career because he worked well with Gaborik his first year and then again when Richards failed to click early on with Gaborik last season and now he’s playing his best season of hockey while Richards has struggled.

    In baseball you can’t slide a 12 game winner into the no 1 pitching spot in the rotation and call his your #1 while expecting to go all the way. he may be one of your most dependable guys and one of your leaders but at some point you still need a 20 game winner in that spot and to let the other exist in a complimentary role

  197. Doodie Machetto on

    I just went through it in my head and came up with 15 guys that I think are legit 1st line centers, with a couple more on the cusp (either not enough of a track record or injury concerns) and a couple depending on whether you consider them a center or a wing. Then I have about another 5 or 6 centers I’d take over Stepan. So I think he finishes somewhere between 25-35 in centers (wide range due to center/wing determinations) right now. Which is terrific.

    But as I said, I only think about 15 of them are what you can call a true #1 center. And stupid Pittsburgh has two of them. The rest just are there by process of elimination.

  198. Doodie Machetto on

    James, see, I view it totally differently. To me, 60 points is a top 2nd line center. And I think Stepan is that guy at the end of the day. But first line center to me is a 70+ point or 30+ goal guy (if he’s a goalscoring center).

    There can be 60 point 1st line centers, but they have to be premier defensive players, like Patrice Bergeron.

  199. Stranger Nation on

    Step – pt/game – most teams’ would like that productivity out of their 1st line center

    college hockey – there is the diploma too, for those who can’t retire after playing for 5 or 6 years…

    MSG – the corporate sell out has ripped the soul from that place…very sad

  200. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    Lloyd, where were you sitting? From my vantage point, I saw some open seats, for sure, but not 40%. Perhaps 5-7% or so.

    As for crowd ‘noise’, I was disappointed, too, for same reasons. This was elimination of arch rival. Regular season, yes, but c’mon! And, they eliminated us last year. I asked before wonder what it would have been like if we were losing?

  201. Yea. I didn’t make a list but I bet her would be around 30. He’s been a terrific find for this organization.

  202. Doodie Machetto on

    Stranger, he’s on a 73 pt pace, which is #1C material, especially when you consider his improving two-way game.

    However, it’s not a pace I think he continues over the long haul of his career. It’s why I don’t consider Matt Duchene a legit #1 C yet, either.

  203. Manny, 4:01. Perhaps, like the cousin thing, we should refer to Stepan as a “1st Line Center, once removed”?

  204. I’m fine with that, Papa. In fact, I like it. Once removed. I would also accept “Red Headed Step-Center”

  205. I’ve said before, if Stepan ends up something like David Krejci, I don’t have a problem with that at all, whether or not that is a “legitimate” or “true” 1C or whatever.

    His scoring numbers are basically at or ahead of Krejci at the same stage of his career already, but he doesn’t play the tough minutes that Krejci does yet.

  206. Regarding line designations and depth charts: do we really care?

    I’d rather continue with the course the team is currently on: roll 3 balanced lines, each capable of scoring with a 4th line capable of pounding and policing. I could give two hoots who is designated (usually based on point production) the 1st line Center, especially if we continue to pot 6 goals a game like we’ve averaged over the last 3.

    The team finally appears to have found scoring balance across 3 lines. I am a huge fan of balanced scoring across the line-up. Line designations are good debate fodder for boneheads on blogs and might also provide important leverage for agents or GM’s during contract negotiations.

  207. Workers of the world unite!

    One for all and all for one!

    Everybody on an oar!

    16 men on a dead man’s chest, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!

    There’s no “I” in team!

    -Eat your vegetables or no dessert-

  208. Sioux-per-man on

    1’st line center in Step he’s right there in points.

    But to have Richie as our “1’st line” center, scoring from the 3rd line, makes me even happier.

    Brassard haveing more points than Gaborik, (only after 10games) giving us another Center that can score. Does that make him a 1’st line caliber center (drafted 6th overall) Maybe.

    First time all year we have balance on all 3 lines, all three centers can score on any given night. (IF Richie continues -there’s hope). I’m not sure what number you give to them. Do you go by points alone?

  209. Doodie Machetto on

    If they score enough of them, then yes. For instance, Stamkos isn’t going to win a Selke any time soon.

  210. Sioux-per-man on

    Papa – if we have balanced scoring on all three lines – we have a true contender for the Cup!!!

    And a 4th line to battle, kill penalties, and grind out key minutes in a game to where Torts doesn’t have to shorten the bench every game.

    Is HUGE for a deep run.

  211. Doodie Machetto on

    The goal tally is now 7-3 in favor of the acquisitions, but I still believe I will be right about this.

  212. Doodie Machetto on

    Look, let’s not get so thrilled about the goals. We beat up on dead in the water teams, but still struggled to score on Sieve Mason and were almost shut out by the Islanders in a game Lundqvist flat-out stole.

  213. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp / Doodie – We should vote now after 10 games if you are in favor of the Gaby Trade? Yes or No.

    Can we still do those on the side?

    I vote YES!

  214. Doodie Machetto on

    I get that Miller is a natural center, but I know they prefer him on the wing.

  215. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m still against the Gaborik trade.

    The only thing that has me even slightly reconsidering is the surprising play of John Moore. There’s some upside there.

  216. this team is 7-2-1 since the Gaborik trade so until they get bounced out of the playoffs, we’re going to have to just keep our judgment(s) on hold. I do agree with you that this recent goal-scoring tear is an aberration directly caused by playing a run of horrid teams in free fall, but they are still winning the games. for as cynical a fan as I am, I won’t deny the importance of the points, no matter how & where they are getting them. do I believe the Rangers are suddenly an offensive forced? absolutely not. but they’re going to make the playoffs and in the end, even if they’ve only got the proverbial snowball’s chance, that’s a lot more than I thought they’d have a few weeks ago.

  217. If Kreider is good for 20 goals and 20 assists next season, that would be ideal. He is number 20, after all.

  218. Czechthemout!!! on

    The biggest dilema facing the Rangers next year is where to play Brian Boyle. Does he get first line minutes with Stepan and Nash on the wing? Or does Torts play Boyle as the number 1 center and play him with any wingers? Because at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter who his wingers are, he is the straw that stirs the drink and no matter who plays with him, those lucky enough will develop into top 3 wingers. Of course it already is a given that Boyle is the answer to the PP problems long term.

  219. frankly, I’m shocked Tortorella didn’t just forfeit the remainder of the season once he knew the team would be without Brian Boyle

  220. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Without those trades we are looking at 13th place. While CBJ are playing better as a team, Gabby has one pt. in his last 5 games.

  221. I know that the playoffs haven’t even started yet but I am super curious to see how camp plays out this summer. What happens if Miller, Kreider, Fast, Lindber and Thomas all have great camps (Maybe one or two surprises)? Will there be a trade? Send guys ready for the NHL back to the Whale?

  222. look at it this way:

    Gaborik has 3 goals, 4 assists since getting traded (1 assist in the power play). Brassard has 3 goals, 3 assists in that time and 4 power play points (2 goals, 2 assists).
    John Moore, a defensive defenseman, has 1 goal, 3 assists since.

    Both Brassard and Moore have played very well – dare I say, better than Gaborik had been playing prior to the trade – and have kicked in more offense than Gaborik has in the same period of time. Advantage: Rangers.

  223. Czechthemout!!! on


    You are embarrassing your self. Dont you know that Kreider is not going to be as good as Boyle, or just good ?That is what some very knowledgable people on this blog imply all the time. than they hedge themselves by saying that he will be good next year though. This way, they are covered either way. They tell us he struggles each and every game despite evidence to the contrary.Even in games like last years playoffs when he was the best forward on the ice. What matters is that” he was not in proper position defensively”.

  224. Czechthemout!!! on

    Ranger west

    There maybe a trade. But rest assured it wont be Brian Boyle who is traded. After all, please recall all the calls we got from other teams about him. You just dont trade those types of players.

    Then again if perhaps the Panthers would consider trading Seth Jones and three number 1 picks for Boyle, Sather may reluctantly agree. But I think it highly unlikely.

  225. Czechthemout!!! –
    They also pretend as if Brian Boyle is in proper position defensively.

  226. jpg's sister on

    just a comment before I go to yoga class.

    Lloyd, Boyle has been doing a lot of the right things even if he’s not a scoring machine –wins faceoffs, hits, PK


  227. Czechthemout!!! on


    What do you mean? Isnt he always? He is a perennial Selke trophy winner each and every year. AND most importantly, he gives good wall.

  228. Czechthemout!!! on

    And because of those fine attributes, Boyle deserves to play as much as as Hags,Cally,Nash.

  229. Czechthemout!!! on

    But in all seriousness, Boyle centering a line with Asham and Dorsett on the wings would be a very strong 4th line. But Boyle cannot see more than 8-9 minutes a night including pk in order not to hurt the offensive game that the other top 9 forwards seem to have found.

  230. I have no problem with Brian Boyle the 4th line forward and penalty killer. He’s more than adequate at those roles.

    But Brian Boyle the power play specialist, Brian Boyle the power forward and Brian Boyle the top six forward are all absurd notions.

  231. bull dog line on

    what are the tough minutes that Stepan is not playing? he kills penalties, he’s on the ice with a 1 goal lead late, and he’s on the ice 1 goal down late. Stepan plays all the tough minutes. I know most are having a tough time acknowledging that Stepan is a number 1 center, but all evidence points to it.

  232. Czechthemout!!! on

    Bull dog

    Agree 100%! Stepan plays all the tough minutes. The problem is that a lot of people were ready to run Stepan off the team after about the first 6 games or so. It is a process to acknowledge a player you were wrong about. That is not to say that LW3H was one such person who wanted to run Stepan off of the team.

  233. Matty"Sather should have known better"Boy on

    There are some players who’s role on the team can’t be measured by stats alone. Period.

  234. Czechthemout!!! on

    So its ok to play a guy second line minutes,heck sometimes even first line minutes and accept that he score 2g(one empty net) and 3a in 40 games?

  235. Cmon, guys, are you serious?

    I am not holding judgement on the Gaborik trade “until we get bounced from the playoffs”. Gaborik had to be moved, his presence alone was creating tension and bad karma, his play on the ice was abysmal.

    For a player who was not contributing in any area, we received 3 serviceable and solid NHL players who increase our overall skill level/ toughness and add much needed length and depth to our line-up.

    Anyone who refuses to acknowledge the resultant change in teams depth, performance and chemistry is probably wearing Gaborik colored lenses.

  236. bull dog line on

    agree Papa Bear.
    the Gaborik trade made the Rangers better today, and probably better in the future. also the Clowe trade has been a big help. don’t care that he is not a great skater, he always seem to get where he needs to be.

  237. bull dog line on

    my opinion on the trade is not a knock at Gabby. he produced big time 2 of the years he was here. I just think the trade made the Rangers deeper, and an overall better team.

  238. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Papa – when you say added length, you must be talking about brassard…. Word on the street is he is hung like a horse

  239. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bull dog – agreed. I with gabby and the rest of the blue jackets luck – but that trade had to be made and we fleeced CBJ IMO.

  240. I may be in the minority here…but I think the play of Clowe and Zuccarello are the reasons why the Rangers have played better since the trading deadline…moreso than the guys we got in the Gaborik trade.

    For the record, I am not complaining. Just trying to make observations objectively.

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Brassard (nice 2nd line playmaker) and Moore (upside and talent are clearly evident) on this team but they haven’t had the same type of impact that Zucc and Clowe have had.

    Rangers were forced to trade Gaborik because of the state of the relationship with John Tortorella. Nash had to be traded because Howser howson’d. I think CBJ got a better deal for Nash than we got with Gaby. But, I like our chances better than theirs going forward…

  241. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    NYR fan – zucchini and The Clowe have made a huge impact – but dont underestimate Brassard – he has also been a valuable addition.

  242. Went this weekend to my nursery school reunion. Man, was I embarrassed. Must have put on 190 lbs.

  243. bull dog line on

    MZA’s play has certainly been big. the overall depth of the team got better when MZA resigned, and the trades were made.
    Boyle will be traded in the offseason. he will be in his last year of his contract, a decision will have to be made whether to go forward with him. I betting not.

  244. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    So you are not in favor of the gabby trade or the clowe deal (because he is a slower skater)?

    Was there a deal out there that obviously wasn’t made that you would have been in favor of?

  245. “Nash much better player than Gabby.”

    Not sure I would say one player is much better than the other. Career stats are in line, with a slight edge to Gaborik…Maybe Nash is more “fun to watch”. I do think Nash takes more minors than Gaby.

    Nash 0.43 goals per game.
    Gaborik 0.44 goals per game.

    Gaborik 91 career PPG
    Nash 86 career PPG

    Nash 594 PIM
    Gaborik 404 PIM

  246. Buck Swope: “See this system here? This is Hi-Fi… high fidelity. What that means is that it’s the highest quality fidelity.”

  247. Rob in Beantown on

    Anecdotally, Nash is a better playmaker than Gabby and seems more creative with the puck. Gaborik is more of a sniper. Their stats may be similar but I’d rather build a team around Nash than Gaborik.

  248. NYR….my argument is as a player, Nash much better. Not basing it on career stats. right now,

    The Two biggest difference in my eye between Nash and Gaborik.

    1) Nash makes other players around him better. Not so with Gabby.

    2) Nash can beat a defenseman 1 on 1 while carrying the puck. Again, not with Gabby. ( Nash sometimes beats two players on a rush, never Gabby)

  249. Hagerstown Md Ranger fan on

    Thanks for the great review Carp. I look forward to reading it after every Rangers game. Now is Clarkson a bigger whiner than Crosby? I don’t know. What I do know is that every time I see Crosby on the ice I want to see him get knocked on his tuckus. He in my opinion is the most unspotsmanlike player in the entire NHL. As far as NHL officiating is concerned I would have to say it is on par with the officiating in the WWF.

  250. I wonder of we could have traded Gabby straight up for Nash last year at the trade deadline?

  251. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ottawa vs Pens rd 1: Chris Neil elbows Crosby in the jaw

    The world rejoices

  252. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    While I’d love. Rangers Hawks final, rangers/kings or rangers/ducks and I can sneak down for the finals.

  253. Hagerstown Md Ranger fan on

    Eddie Eddie Eddie. Neil Elbows Crosby. Crosby throws gloves inthe air cries and calls for his mommy.
    That’s entertainment.

  254. Anyone see that piece of Cooke refuse to fight Chris Neil? What a coward.

    Also, I hope the NHL changes the instigator rule in which a 10 minute misconduct comes with an instigator rule…in the BUF-WIN game, Steve Ott obviously instigated the fight with Ladd, yet refs continuously take the cheap way out and just add 2 for roughing instead of the 2 and 10…

  255. So if Ottawa loses the Rangers move into seventh on the basis of same # of games played but Rangers with one more ROW.

    If Winnipeg fails to get a point then the Rangers just need to win one of their last 3. Cant do that, dont deserve it. But they will.

  256. Paul in sunrise on

    Nash 29 > Gaborik 32

    Question is and I think true Moore >>> Erixon.

    I think resigning Zucc and Clowe next season allows Miller and Kreider more time to learn in the minors.

  257. wife said ok. no one wants to come with me 149 round trip. i could get free tix and place to stay for the night

  258. The ten minute is often, but not always, depending on the violation, so the refs can get a uncooperative lunatic off the ice and everyone to cool off when they sense things may get out of control. There are, however, myriad reasons for a ten, most of which refer to abuse of official. Fine is $100 LOL. The extra two roughing minutes is welcomed by the opposition more than the ten.

  259. Winnipeg getting points is completely irrelevant.

    If the Rangers can’t win 2 out of 3 over the god-awful Panthers, almost as bad Hurricanes and the flat Devils then they don’t deserve to make the playoffs.

    No reason why the Rangers shouldn’t take all 3…

  260. Evrock Around The Clock Tonight on

    Whoever is going to the game against Florida tomorrow drop me a line and maybe we can all get together before the game or at least meet up between periods for a laugh.

    scrappy 1994@yahoo.com

    I was afraid to put my email in my post but no one took advantage of it the first time so….

  261. Caps lose in regulation and jets jump to third. The rangers are getting wins in their next three. It might be cool to see the white out in the peg.

  262. pens chance after chance to make it 3-0 now another game we have to worry about.

    pens win and we win out we finish 7th or higher and avoid pens

  263. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    The Pens team tonight is good enough. The Pens team with everyone back is silly already.

  264. win out avoid pens in 1st round.

    dont even think about resting hank should we clinch a spot tom with a win and winn regulation loss in wash

  265. I’d actually prefer WPG to get third and Washington to miss out. If WPG wins tomorrow, and so do NYR, Washington will drop out, right?

  266. The optimal scenario for the Rangers is to be playing Winnipeg in the first round, Montreal winning the NE and playing the Islanders and Washington as the 8th seed to play Pittsburgh.

  267. Evrock Around The Clock Tonight on

    I don’t know what the tiebreak is, but if WPG wins in regulation they move above WSH. However, WSH would also have the same amount of points as us and OTT. Don’t know offhand what the tiebreakers are for that clusterpuck.

  268. oleo, that’d be sweet. In the 4/5 series, BOS and TOR would beat the crap out of each other.

  269. Ive got news. The Caps ain’t losing to Winnipeg tomorrow, and the Rangers ain’t losing to the Cats. This thing is over at this time tomorrow except for the seedings.

  270. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I think we settle in the 7th and beat the Habs/Bruins in 5. This is shaping up nicely.

  271. Evrock Around The Clock Tonight on

    6th place should be the only reachable spot we could want. Am I the only person here that wouldn’t rather face Washipeg than Pittstonreal?

  272. The rising smell of fresh-cut grass,
    Smothered cities choke and yell with fuming gas;
    I hold some grapes up to the sun
    And their flavour breaks upon my tongue.
    With eager tongues we taste our strife
    And fill our lungs with seas of life.
    Come taste and smell the waters of our time.
    And close your lips, child, so softly I might kiss you,
    Let your flower perfume out and let the winds caress you.
    As I walk on through the garden, I am hoping I don’t miss you
    If all the things you taste ain’t what they seem,
    Then don’t mind me ‘cos I ain’t nothin’ but a dream.

  273. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    R. havens Going to that great stage in the sky. I hope to be back on later night crew – have some work to do – hawks losing 3-0 to the Nucks and looking bad in the process….Olga your boys need to step up ….

  274. “Li’l darlin’ I feel the ice is slowly melting.
    Li’l darlin’ it seems years since it’s been clear.
    But – here comes the sun, and I say:
    It’s all right.”

  275. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Yes Carp was the opening act @ Woodstock I believe. Was fortunate to see him in the Village live.

  276. Saw him ten years ago on the Village Green in Guilford, Ct. He traveled in a motor home and said he had not had a day off since Woodstock. Dynamic, unique gentle, powerful.

  277. Evrock Around The Clock Tonight on

    I hope I can sleep tonight. I’m absolutely giddy about getting to finally see the Rangers tomorrow night (tonight, if I can’t sleep).
    I’ve been waiting to boo them in person all season. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it) I won’t get the chance to do so as this is a different Ranger team than the one I was looking forward to mocking.
    I’m hoping that I never get the chance to boo that other team live.

  278. Evrock Around The Clock Tonight on

    Hey Carp,
    I’d really appreciate it if you could mention in your next post that I’m attempting to orchestrate a gathering of fans from your blog who are currently down in South Florida either before tomorrow night’s (tonight) game or even just between periods. If people are interested they can get my email address from you or in my 9:32 pm post on this thread. Thanks.

  279. Top o’ the morning to you! LGR! Let’s show it was not just the lucky bounces! Ottowa’s slipped to 8th…

  280. Heya i’m for the first time here. I found this board and I in finding It truly useful & it helped me out a lot. I am hoping to present one thing again and help others such as you helped me.

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