Rangers-Flyers in review

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Thoughts:

1) I’m sure there’s some sentiment today that the Rangers beat a bad, struggling team last night, and that is very true. But, we’ve seen it plenty the last two weeks where the Rangers play a lesser foe and get one point, or none, or get beaten by a backup goalie because they can’t score, or whatever. In Game 32 of a 48 game season, you grab two points and take them for what they’re worth, which is everything right now. And looking ahead – this was the start of 11 of the final 17 on the road – other than being away from home, the Rangers’ remaining schedule is loaded with teams like the Flyers. So … you know.

2) At the very least, some of you can back off the ledge.

3) Gotta give the coach some credit (in addition to his 400th win) with the lineup shuffling. Worked a bit like Billy Martin’s lineup-out-of-the-hat. This was a bit less random – actually not random at all. You can blame him for sticking with Rick Nash-Brad Richards for too long to this point. On the other hand, getting Richards contributing is kinda, you know, critical to the Rangers’ success. Make fun of him all you want, or complain about him all you want. The Rangers desperately need him to be a force.

4) That said, we all know that the line of Nash, Carl Hagelin and Derek Stepan has been terrific earlier in the season (including when Richards was hurt), and that the Rangers are 7-0-1 in games they’ve played together. It just works. Better late than never, right? So now that line has to stick together.

5) And, to make it a better decision by Tortorella, and an easier decision to stick with that line, the other lines all worked, too. With Richards scoring a power-play goal, and Chris Kreider scoring and having a bunch of other chances.

6) So now the coach is going to have to decide if he makes another switch when Mats Zuccarello arrives for Thursday’s game in Ottawa.

7) It started quickly, too, with a Hagelin breakaway, then a 1-0 lead, then 3-0. And when the Flyers got a PPG in the second and a fluke goal off a neck, Nash answered quickly with his wrap around goal. Geez, Nash’s been good this year, but he needs to score more consistently. Maybe this will spark him.

8) Terrific games by Kreider and by J.T. Miller, moved back to center. And they created a great chance the one time they were on the ice together briefly … and also the edge they both showed, Kreider upending Claude Giroux after a shot, Miller burying Wayne Simmonds along the wall.

9) This was a big bounce-back game by Dan Girardi, who was split up from Ryan McDonagh as the Rangers checked two Flyers lines.

10) All the goals, all the possession, everything … bottom line is this game was won because Henrik Lundqvist vs Ilya Bryzgalov was a mismatch. Again.

11) Great analysis by Brian Leetch (who is 1,000,000 times better than the other MSG studio guys) on the Stepan goal, that the play was exactly what a coach wants … McDonagh going in deep to keep possession, Girardi pinching, Nash recognizing that and backing up to the point, where he was ultimately in position to take a shot. Stepan buried the rebound.

12) The penalty on Brian Boyle: pansification. That said, the NYR PK has really become problematic. Especially right around the goalmouth with the snow angels.

13) Gotta believe that something’s gonna blow between Mr. Snider and coach Peter Laviolette, if not GM Paul Holmgren.

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My Three Rangers Stars:
1. Derek Stepan.
2. Rick Nash.
3. Henrik Lundqvist.
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RangerJHW’s Three Rangers Stars:
1. Stepan … A+ (again).
2. Nasher … solid (again).
3. Henrik … 12 ties? Really now!
HM-Torts-all those coaching wins and finally great 2013 line combos.
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Kenny Albert Rules’ Three Rangers Stars:
1. Derek Stepan.
2. Rick Nash.
3. Michael Del Zotto.
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Yergs’ Three Rangers Stars:
1. Rick Nash.
2. Derek Stepan.
3. John Tortorella – for working in four well-balanced lines (thought it was a good move).
HM: MSG Network for saving us from the Hell that is an NBC Sports broadcast.
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Your poll vote for Three Rangers Stars:
1. Derek Stepan (31.32 %).
2. Rick Nash (29.89 %).
3. Henrik Lundqvist (13.17 %).

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  1. Satisfying game…thanks for another great review, Carp. I had to turn off the game after the 2nd period and would have been shocked to wake up to anything other than a Rangers win this time. Always love to watch the Rangers dominate the Phlyers.

  2. stranger nation on

    great write up, too bad I missed the game. Nothing better than a FIlthy beat down.

    Guess they beat starting goalies who play like backups but not backups that play like starting goalies. Nice contract Mr. Snider

    Nash will be VERY consistent away from Richie.

    Glad to hear Girardi had a bounce back game, seemed to regress this season and cannot afford substandard play with Stawwl out

    Tic-tac-toe passing…had to rub my eyes…this is the Rangers. Fran is smiling somewhere…

  3. The most encouraging thing last night was how well JT Miller and Kreider looked. If those two are making things happen it takes pressure off of the big boys. Love that Jesper Fast is coming to the team. Hope he gets a shot to play.

    A lot of work to do, but I have agreed with Carp all year long. This team IS making the playoffs.

  4. You’re right, Carp. The Rangers finally didn’t play down to their opponent. Up and down the lineup they were great.

    How badly would the Rangets love to have Wayne Simmonds? He’s an ideal hockey player. Gets his face stitched up and then comes back to net a goal playing in a dirty area. Starts shoving payers around with all this stitches.

  5. The three stars were crap and you guys know it. No Mewbury? Pfffft. What a joke. I couldn’t even vote for the ^Hobbit Wizard^. You know it was his signing and the word that he will join the team in Ottawa that sparked the Rangers.

    (Sarcasm, Thom)

  6. Sioux-per-man on

    Last night proves what this team could look like when it’s stars start to play to their potential!!!

    No more stacking Nash-Richards-Gaborik!

    We get 2 goals from Nash, a power play goal from Richards, a Kreider goal at the end. ThIs team had a feel of firing on all cylinders. Every line was rolling.

    The goals that Henrik stops is something else. He sure kept this from turning into a track meet.

    Stepan has a career game. Centering the top line. Hags was flying again, how fun would that of been to see him bury that first breakaway?

    Miller and Kreider both had a little snarl to their game last night. Nice to see them both get rewarded for their efforts.

    Have a SIOUXper day after a win!!!

  7. Nice game by our boys. The effort was there all around. I liked how they kept the lead and for the most part stayed out of the box which gave the Flyers NO shot at coming back after it was 4-2. I can’t believe a team can have 3 5 on 5 goals in 17 games (well 4 in 18 now). That’s just unfathomable.

    The Flyers to me look SLOWWWWWW. The Rangers were one step ahead of them on every play. They need to do this against everyone. You know I laughed at people who thought that trading Richards and Carter away was a bad thing for the Flyers considering their party boy reps, but outside of them getting Simmonds in the deals, the team has been moving in the wrong direction since. The Flyers are a far cry from the team that played Chicago in the finals.

    Anyway, good win for the NYR, and I hope they can keep it up against Ottawa, but they are the kind of team that scares me.

    Here’s an interesting thing though. As bad as the NYR have played this year, looking at the East, there’s only 2 teams that I don’t think we could beat in a 7 game series. Pittsburgh and Montreal. We’ve played Boston well, Winnipeg or whoever comes out of the SE is not any better than us really, and the rest of the teams are close to us in points. I was never on the ledge, but I’m moving back from the window when I think about this logically. There’s just too much talent for us not to be more like last night than say against Florida.

  8. Miller looked good at center…..should provide more scoring balance and flexibility …… to move Boyle to wing or 4th line center depending on match up

  9. Stranger Nation on

    do not like, but LOVE Hags. That being said, he has to bury more chances – leads team in scoring chances and if he buried half of his breakaways or goal step one timers, he has 20 goals already

    Gabby has at least 5 great passes over the last 7 or 8 games that should have resulted in goals – the feed last night to Miller (I believe) should have been in the back of the net.

    Who are the Pens picking up today? #1 Goaltender perhaps with ‘La Flower’ wilting and hurt…

  10. Loved seeing goals buried, Simmonds occupied and Hank with a few beauties. Great game.

    Only request? Trade Powe for Pyatt.

  11. Good morning, boneheads!

    That’s what you get when your defense is suspect to begin with, gets worse by losing one of the most physical D-man, your forwards have no desire to help in their own zone, and your $51M goaltender looks like a back up in AHL. 2 soft goals, one suspicious ( first one by Nash). I also would argue that his positioning on Kreider’s goal was bad- he was too far to the right without any chance to cover the net on MDZ’s pass. Flyers are in deep trouble next year- no cap space left to speak of. They almost have to buy out Bryzgalov. Guess what- who are they getting instead?

    Still think Kreider shouldn’t have been sent down to AHL? He looks like a different player- assertive, uses his speed and his body. He showed a couple of times what his shot looks like, and finally scored last night.

  12. LMGO, LW!

    Make sure you explain this one properly, though. Apparently, not everyone can understand your British humo(u)r.

  13. Stranger Nation on

    Trade Powe for Haley depending on opponent

    pk duties;
    boyle/hags
    cally/miller
    step/nash

  14. I think Zuccarello slides into Boyles’s spot, Boyle slides down to 4th line and Pyatt waits for his next chance.

  15. Stranger Nation on

    ilb – don’t forget BOB playing great in Columbus to add to Philly goalie woes..

    Wait Columbus lost last night – didn’t score a goal? – I guess the Nash trade worked last night…

    Loose-cheeks with only 5 goals dropped to 3rd line in Bean-town

  16. Yea, Stranger. Love seeing Nash on the PK. Really. I think your best player should be on the ice as much as possible. Like Ilya Kovalchuk, Semin or Ryan Suter. Keep them out there.

  17. Great win! Huge points in Ottawa where the sens have played extraordinarily well. Gotta focus. Put this win in perspective. Ottawa is going to compete for pucks and Neil is on the ice. Must grab twowiththe house of horrors looming.

  18. Cross Check Charlie on

    Why can’t they play this well more often? There’s something about the Flyers that brings out the best in this team. Putting Richards on the wing…who’d a thunk it? Good move. And, he played well last night. Good to see Kreider get one. Nash is a freakin’ beast, but he still needs help. Last night, he got it. Henrik gave up the second goal because he was in a daze – dumbfounded that the Rangers scored 3 goals up to that point. He didn’t know how to act with a 2 goal lead. :)

  19. Word on Miikka Kiprusoff is that if the Flames trade him he will *not* report to the team he’s traded to. Guess he either wants to stay or is being traded to the Islanders.

  20. ilb – same positioning on Nash’s wrap-around. Bryz has got to just get his leg out there to cut off the angle. Great goal, no doubt. But it could have easily been stopped if Bryz was competent.

    In his defense though, he has been one of the Phlyers best players this season despite having no help whatsoever.

    Schenn for James van Riemsdyk?

  21. Really shouldn’t have criticized aunt Mille in the middle last night. He played well. That whole line did. They’ve been too up and down to get excited. lets see what happens next game

  22. Nash has 12 in 28, about what we traded for, I’d say. Him scoring more would be great, but it’s still about getting goals here and there from the others.

  23. Phlyers players apparently claimed they, “weren’t ready to play last night” and the “Rangers were better coached and hungrier.”

    Interesting…

  24. Also @AdamRotter@ Read: Jesper Fast Is In NY Right Now on.sny.tv/15TGLYU

    I guess we will know if he’s joining the big boys or hitting the AHL for a few.

  25. needed win, before we start a parade, I need to see the rangers play like this the rest of the season before I feel good about this team.

  26. Interesting quote Manny. Reckon the Flyers are tuning out Peter Lavieaudetoilette?

    I also think that with Miller playing well as 3rd line center, Boyle has to be on the block (with Powe) if we are serious about fitting in Zucc and Fast.

    What happened with Hammer-lick last night? I saw he got no ice time but i havent watched the full game yet to see why Torts glued him to the pine.

  27. Stranger Nation on

    Fast to AHL for ‘conditioning’

    Flyers famously flawed

    This is same Flyers team that lost 2-1 to Pens in OT two days ago

    Pie-hat last of Sathers pick-ups to go ?? leaving only Kung Powe, who is probably following quickly as we can have Fast do what he does.

  28. Great point Carp, they didn’t play down to their opponent this time around, and that’s just as big as a win against a good team, at this point.

    I was really impressed with how balanced our team looked last night, in regards to the lineup. Sure, it helps when guys like Richards and Nash produce, but something about those lines felt good and I think Torts HAS to stick with them. Otherwise, he’s a fool.

    Is anyone else getting bothered a lot by Micheletti lately? I think he’s been drinking too much of the NBC Kool-Aid. I realize Mr. Universe may not be the best goalie around, but after EVERY goal, Joe would continuously jabber on about how he has to make that save. I’m sorry, but that shot by Richards was absolutely perfect (it’s a shame he missed the net so often, we never see shots like this!. Not even Henrik could’ve saved that. Give credit where credit is due, Joe.

  29. Stranger Nation on

    Scary thought of the day:

    The Penguins are 11-2 this season when playing without reigning NHL MVP Evgeni Malkin, who remains sidelined with an upper brain injury.

  30. Hamrlik got no ice time because he was visibly slow and got beaten like a drum. I hope Staal comes back soon or sather gets another reliable D-man.

  31. Hamrlik was exposed last night. Slow, not physical enough, etc. He’s OUT when Staal gets back. Which cannot happen soon enough.

    Which means, Stranger, that they can afford to let Malkin go to us!

  32. Still not impressed. They beat a team they should’ve. Hope that it gets them some offensive confidence going forward, but let’s see how they do against a real team like Ottawa or Pittsburgh.

  33. Thanks Manny, tommyG. I’ve still got the game to watch as a whole, only done a quick peek at extended highlights. The bits i saw of the top 3 lines looked good. Miller and Kreider caught some praise in the press today too.

    Richards should be thanking Cally for the screen for his goal, but still a great shot to hit the bottle from that distance.

  34. If NYR go on a bit of a winning streak right before the deadline, will GM4Life pull out all the stops and be a big time buyer in order to go for it?…scary thought to me…

  35. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    Keeze, let’s hope not. This is still a work in progress. Beating Pitt or Boston, then whatever the west throws at us is a real longshot, let alone fist round, too. Gotta be real. Nice win. THere are holes, though.

    Much nicer waking up reading a great review on a win……..rather than a great review on a loss.

  36. I think I was more encouraged by watching Richards on Kreider’s goal than on his one-timer. He enters the zone alone, doesn’t panic, stops, looks around and waits for Kreider and MDZ to join him. Makes a pass to start the whole sequence.

  37. Flyers played as bad defensively as you can last night. The game vs the pens it was the pens that kept the goals down not the other way around. Whatever. Look the panthers win one game on their road trip and you guys know who that was. It’s a strange league. On to Ottawa. We owe them.

  38. I don’t think they can do much anyway, Keeze. Cap constrains, luckily. If they can add anything big, it has to be an expiring contract. Not too many out there.

  39. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    The key last night was that this was a different team because of the break up of the $21M line. This separation provided balance that, quite frankly, will take a total team effort to defend against.

    Nash was flat out flying with the nice passing from Step and the open space created by Hags’ speed and board work.

    Richards was a little rejuvenated playing with a big Boyle to open up space and ‘The Kid’.

    Gabby? Well, he had some nice passes and looks, but you know what, wherever he is you HAVE to pay attention to him and that means 5 guys on the other team paying attention, even if it is their 4th and 3rd lines and pairings.

    Our 4th didn’t get much time. We need to fix that if there is any kind of deep playoff run. (Ah, I sometimes laugh when I write!).

    Bottom line is, Philly on a downswing or not, this team is MUCH tougher to play against this way than with $21M wasted on 1 line.

  40. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    It will be interesting to see how a physical team with speed, like Ottowa, plays us. Everyone is talking like the Jets are easy opponant in the playoffs? HA!! Not so sure. They have come a long way.

    But Ottowa drills everyone with size, smarts, and some finesse. If we can play well against them and beat a really good goalie…some believers will be back on board.

    Let’s see………

  41. Matty- Pyatt played over 10 min, Asham almost 9, and Newbury close to 8. I think those are good numbers for 4th liners, no?

  42. the highlight of my passover dinner at my house last night with 15 people there was the company, wasnt the good wine, wasnt the great food my wife made, IT WAS THE TWO POINTS IN THE STANDINGS. how many people at 3-2 with 13 mins to go thought oh no will we cough up a 3 goal lead. come on positive people raise your hand. nice answer by nash and the kreider looked like the kid i knew last year.

    my only complaint as you know i need one is BOYLE. in my mind the penalty he took which was debatable at 3-0 in off zone was just awful and he lost way too many draws.

    can i see more powe and less pyatt. will enjoy it today and the tension builds again tomorrow.

    wow me enjoying something it must be a holiday. oh wait it is a rangers passover victory

  43. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    So, normally Flyer games melt down to brawls if they’re down by 3 at game’s end. The fact that it didn’t, does that mean:

    1. they HAVE given up on coach?
    2. too many of their’s are beaten up?
    3. too many of their’s were out of the lineup?
    4. the only guy that we have that fights is Aas-em?
    5. the only guy we have that fights is Aas-em, and he is such a great guy and teammate,
    which they know from last year, that they couldn’t fight him?
    6. our 4th line, as non-heavyweight as it is, only got on for a few shifts, sadly. (but they
    did have PP time at game’s end!!)

  44. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    ilb, didn’t see sheets and didn’t realize it was that much. Take away the last 90 seconds, cuz that was silly, but that’s not too shabby. Pyatt benched and Boyle moved down there with additions to replace Boyle on 3rd, maybe? Balanced.

  45. by the way, don’t look now but the islanders are right behind the rangers 2 points out from the 8th spot.

  46. I have to agree with Matty. Splitting up that line adds SO much depth. And the addition of The Kreider returning to the form we hoped for and Miller playing like a mini-beast and our Capt. and Stepan really stepping up (see what I did there?). Man. Awesome

  47. What we need on Thursday is someone to take Neil out of the equation. Early. We can’t let him just physically beat us into submission. Not like he did at MSG recently.

  48. Sioux-per-man on

    Hags-Step-Nash Everything thing you could want in a top line, and then some.

    Nice stat 7-0-1 when this line plays together. Crazy how Tort’s didn’t go back to this sooner?

    So excited to see all lines rolling, shift after shift, playing in thier zone for the most part.

    I know it’s only one game, but they could be like this!!!!

  49. the Kreider goal doesnt happen without Brad Richards taking away the puck, entering the zone with 3 Philly guys around him, and, as a playmaking center should, made a beautiful drop off pass to start off the goal scoring play

  50. Keeze – They don’t do anything at the deadline. Maybe add a piece for a pick, but doubtful. I think they know that this year is kind of weird to begin with just because of the no training camps and shortened season. I think they keep this group together for next season and see how it goes with a full camp for everyone.

  51. Stranger Nation on

    Lev – agree on Richards play – key was he was MOVING into zone. Also so him back checking during one game highlight – WHAAAA???

    Yes, you heard me Richards back checking…amazing things happen when you keep moving the skates.

  52. Stranger Nation on

    Torts breaks up forward combos/lines to have one of their snipers on each line (nash, gabby, kreider) and one board man (hags, Cally, Boyle).

    Seemed to work for a night.

  53. Sioux-per-man on

    We don’t need any players right now – it Staal is going to make it back for the playoffs.

    Hamr – isn’t goig to be asked to do alot, but he can fill 10 minutes on the blue line.

    I missed it last night – what happeded that he got screwed to the bench last night?

  54. I think when Staal comes back that Eminger gets to stay over Hamrlik at this point. Gilroy will be waived and Hamrlik will be an eternal healthy scratch.

  55. Sioux-per-man on

    The only EPIC FAIL last night was NBC SPORTS!!!

    Thank God for MSG Network, and the replay later in the night.

    Does anyone else get pissed when they black out the MSG network, so you have to watch the “other” feed? Then they break away, and you still don’t get the feed.

    I lost the last 10 minutes of the game last night.

  56. agree manny hamilik looks 50 not 40 out there. staal back would be like making a big move at the deadline. i see the rangers bringing in a ufa and for a draft pick before wednesday. nothing major.

  57. Rob in Beantown on

    Sioux, yeah, I was all set to watch the game on MSG in GameCenter when I got the dreaded blackout message and realized the game was on Outdoor Life Network. The NBC Sports broadcasters were the worst. They spent 2 periods of the game talking up the fact that Philadelphia is in the playoff hunt and not ready to give up, then spent the last 10 minutes talking about how they’d probably be sellers at the trade deadline. Do they even listen to themselves talk?

  58. Rob in Beantown on

    At one point I’m 90% sure the NBC Sports guy called our captain “Chris Callahan”

  59. @stevezipay@ Source: Rangers in mix for UMass D Conor Allen, leaving after junior year. His decision said to be close

    He was in prospect development camp with the Canucks recently.

  60. With Phoenix fading Sather should be talking to old buddy Don Maloney about Rafi Torres. Nasty and can score. Sometimes over the edge, but the kind of sandpaper player needed for a playoff run.

  61. Sioux-per-man on

    Rob I had to DVR the game, and attend my daughter choir concert. Epic fail all the way around. It recorded the game, but dropped the last 10 minutes of it. Then blackout was still on for the post game. So I get Rangers Extra for the Recap…… and Carps notes.

    If I pay for MSG, I want MSG network! I’ll have to watch the replay when I get time.

    Great game! But we seem to have the Flyers number.

  62. I don’t want Rafi Torres anywhere near this team…Guy should be banished from the NHL…

  63. Rafi Torres would be a good pickup. toughness, speed, and some skill. much better then asham.

    yep send down Kreider he brings nothing that Powe or BOyle cannot bring!!!!!!!

    Not real complicated adding MZA cannot hurt, they need more then 3 guys who know where the net is. moving in right direction as long as d can hold up, very thin back there..

    hamrlik with what 5 minutes last night…

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m not crazy about signing this Allen kid. He’s already 23 and is a defensive defenseman, which means he will need a little more time to develop. If we had more space for contracts, I’d say sure, give him a shot. But at 49 contracts, I’d rather pass on him to leave open the possibility of a better player becoming available or a 2 for 1 deal for contract 50.

  65. Rob in Beantown on

    Henrik Lundqvist @HLundqvist30@
    _Next stop, Ottawa. Hear rumors that the Hobbit is taking a break filming with Gandalf to meet with us up there.. Can someone confirm this?_

    Hank you card

  66. On Boyle…not sure if it was mentioned here yet, but he stood by doing nothing while Simmonds was roughing up Richards…

  67. Doodie Machetto on

    Lev, we will not be in on Jokinen. They wouldn’t be talking to this Allen kid if they had put in a waiver claim for him because they wouldn’t have the contract space for both.

    Also, he’s got a big cap hit for next year and isn’t that good of a player. Sure, he’s great in shootouts, but we just added the Hobbit for that. Definitely pass on him.

  68. Jussi Jokinen scored one of my favorite goals ever. Anyone have a guess which one it was?

  69. bull dog line on

    3 of the 4 Rangers even strength were scored by attacking the net. Nash’s 2nd goal came from work behind the net. you score more goals when you attack the front of the net.

  70. Raffi Torres doesn’t belong in the NHL. Let alone on our team. No one needs to get beaten to a pulp over his antics.

    Doesn’t he have TWO pending lawsuits for attempting to kill people on the ice.

  71. Send down Kreider in favor if Boyle/Powe????? That is insane. He brings the hope of scoring a goal or 2, which the tam needs. And Asham is doing well, needs more ice time. Boyle is a decent fit on the 3rd line that Torts rolled out last night, or maybe as 4th line C, although I really like Newbury there, with Asham and maybe Powe (to help with PK, otherwise useless). We don’t need Zucc unless they move Gabby. Fast however…..but only if NHL ready.

  72. Doodie Machetto on

    As I said earlier, I hope MZA and Fast serve as the Timmy Herrans that bring the team together.

  73. I remember when I used to hate the Flyers with a passion. For example, when the so-called legion of doom came to town, and it was either Hextall or Garth Snow with his roof shingles, nothing felt better than beating those guys and nothing felt worse than losing (as was more often the case).

    But now all of that is gone. The rivalry has been nonexistent for a really long time and that Flyer time is so bad I almost feel sorry for them now. So yeah, what was once my least favorite team has now become a distant third behind the Devils and Penguins.

  74. Latona, the goal against Maaaarty?

    Umm Doodie, Jokinen has put up 60+ point seasons…. $3 million cap hit.

  75. Doodie Machetto on

    Lloyd, really? I still hate the Flyers with an effing passion. I LOVE beating them. I’d say they have been behind the Devils for a while in my most hated list, but they’ve moved behind the Penguins only since the lockout because of Slewfoot Crosby, Geronimo Malkin, and piece of Matt Cooke.

    I also hate Islanders fans (the few that there are) more than any other fan base, but their pathetic squad doesn’t ever register that highly with me. I hate the Bruins more than I hate the Islanders.

  76. Doodie Machetto on

    Lev, Richards has put up 90+ point seasons. 6.67 cap hit. Still want no part of him.

  77. Ok, sorry, Doodie. He has put up 65, 52, and 46 point seasons last 3 years. Shouldve looked it up before reposting something i read on a different site. I would still take him at that cost.

  78. Doodie Machetto on

    I can’t believe that Chris Campoli still hasn’t even gotten a tryout. Honestly, could the blacklisting be more obvious?

  79. yeah it doesn’t really do it for me anymore. because the personnel is so different and I don’t hate the coach with a passion, it feels a bit more like beating any other team, especially when they’re as bad as they are now. like, the Devils and Penguins, I will actually watch them play other teams and be screaming in support of whoever it is they’re playing, in some ways even louder than when I’m watching the Rangers. but the 2013 Flyers? eh. of course if they suddenly get better and decide they’re hard aasens again, I’ll go right back to hating them.

  80. Boston claimed Kaspar Daugavins? Would have thought the Leafs would be all over that one.

  81. Doodie Machetto on

    ilb, yes, I agree. Hate the Devils the most, and have since about 1999. Through 97 for me it was the Flyers, and then it became the Devils after the Flyers started to trail off.

  82. I was joking on my Kreider comment since I have been whining for him to play more the whole season…guys like Powe and Boyle are fodder or filler on a roster.

    Breaking news Boyle was on the ice last night for a goal scored by the Rangers. I think his 6th time this season….That is hard to do so little in so much time..

  83. Rangers passed on Daugavins at $700 k, no idea why. he is better then Powe for sure. bigger also…

  84. @Real_ESPNLeBrun@: Spoke with one GM this morning who likes Jokinen and would have taken him if he was a pending UFA. Next year’s $3 M on his deal scared teams

    See? The new CBA and cap is destroying the middle class. Rich get richer…

  85. bull dog line on

    my hatred is still the Islanders. Philly is a very close second, then the Devs and Pens

  86. I have to say, one thing I am enjoying about the Rangers is watching Stepan grow into a slick center.
    And watching JT Miller, Carl Hagelin and Kreider develop is pretty cool.

  87. Finally, used our speed…
    Looked for open ice to create chances…
    A rebound goal – something that has been rarer than Haley’s Comet this season…
    Actually created some chances off the rush – instead of just dumping it in just for the sake of dumping it in…
    Not just cycling for cycling’s sake – actually looking to move the puck to the front of the net…

    Anyway who says that this team played the same way it has all season hasn’t been watching or paying attention….

  88. this is actually an interesting discussion about whom you hate more. I would have thought it would be Pitt-Philly 1-2 in either order, then Devils, Islanders, followed by Washington because of all the recent playoff history.

    anybody want to list top five most hated in order? i.e.:
    1. Philly.
    2. Pitt.
    3. NJ.
    4. NYI.
    5. Wash.

  89. Islanders are playing better now but let’s face it, they were a nonentity for well over a decade. For a long time hating them was down to hating their laundry. Given that they may now be better than the Rangers, that game on April 13 will go a long way toward rekindling my hatred of them, though.

  90. bull dog line on

    I like Miller at center. he brings a different style of center play to the Rangers. MDZ has been real good for a good stretch. I was disappointed with his start after how well he had played in the playoffs. now he seems to have found his game.

  91. here’s mine right now:

    1. Devils
    1a. Penguins
    3. Bruins
    4. Capitals
    5. Islanders
    6. Flyers

  92. As a loooog time fan and former season ticket holder from 1983-1990:

    Islanders
    Flyers
    Penguins
    Devils
    Bruins

  93. Yup, ilb and lev. That goal and all other fail moments leading up to the utter collapse by the Gerbils made losing to Washington that much more bearable. I distinctly remember feeling very downtrodden when Fedorov scored in Game 7, only to switch channels and watch Carolina tie and score the winning goals. I cackled maniacally.

    1. Devils
    2. Pittsburgh
    3. Montreal
    4. Flyers
    5. Bruins

  94. Far too few Carp…
    They carried the puck in much more last night – you have to admit they dump it in just for the sake of it far too often for a team with this much speed…
    They actually had bodies going to the net – and they actually looked for open ice to make plays…
    When was the last time you saw them score a goal like Nash’s first last night?
    Too often this year, no one would have been in the slot – and that puck would have been wrapped back around the boards and behind the net…

    The joke with this team and its constant cycling has been that if the net was backwards, we would lead the league in goals…

  95. Sioux-per-man on

    That’s my order Carp.

    Pitt’s hate factor is all Cindy. If he would stop crying to the refs every play that doesn’t go his way I would have ALOT more respect for a very good team.

    It’s hard to hate Philly when you beat them 11 out of 12 :) But the games are sure fun to watch.

  96. I lived in Essex County from 1995 to 2001. My iPhone autopopulates the first 3 without me doing a thing :-)

  97. Top five most hated teams for Mr. Yergs:
    5. Montreal (esp. when playing in Montreal)
    4. Boston
    3. Devils
    2. Philly
    1. Pittsburgh Bettmans

    HM: Washington

  98. Sioux-per-man on

    Flyers
    Pitt
    Devils
    Islanders
    Montreal

    Montreal is on the rise, frustrated that we have a hard time beating them in their building.
    Boston – is just a tuff team, I have more respect for them than hate. They play the right way.

  99. Doodie Machetto on

    1) Devils
    2) Penguins
    3) Flyers
    4) Capitals
    5) Bruins
    6) Islanders
    7) Senators
    8) Canadiens

  100. Sioux-per-man on

    Any thoughts on Coner Allen out of UMass?

    Looks like the Rangers have a chance to sign him according to Zip.

    Anyone watch him play this year?

  101. 1) Penguins…because of aformentioned dirty players that somehow go unnoticed, getting all the calls/preferential treatment by the League, and the tanked seasons used to stockpile lottery picks. I actually pull for Philly now during Battle of PA.
    2) Flyers
    2a) Devils
    4) Islanders
    5) Caps
    6) Bs/Habs

  102. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, I don’t know how it can’t be Devils #1. We had to watch a decade of their success while our squad floundered. And speaking of flounder, we had to deal with the entire league fellating Fatso Brodeur for the past 15 years as well. Add in last year’s playoffs and I honestly can’t imagine how it could be anyone but the Devils.

    Penguins #2 because of the reasons I mentioned earlier, plus recent playoff history. After that, take your pick. But it has to be Devils Penguins 1-2.

  103. Sorry, Latona. That’s because I’m on PC at work. Had I used my Mac at home, it wouldn’t be an issue :-)

  104. Rob in Beantown on

    My hatred of the Sabres has a lot to do with my college years in western new york and the 2007 playoffs

  105. I have given a name to my hatred of the Devils and it is Glenn Allan “Chico” Resch

  106. Doodie Machetto on

    Lloyd, I was just about to say the same thing. Chico makes me hate them so much more.

  107. Raffi Torres is exactly what this team needs if it is serious about the playoffs. Obviously it all starts with Richards and Gabby playing better but you still need your agitator who makes the other team keep its head up, while also having speed and the ability to put the puck in the net. By the way he answered the bell when Hawks enforcer went after him and handled hmself respectably, his teammates fully supporting him. If there is another such player available great but I’m not seeing one.

  108. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, the best part is that Brodeur initiates the contact 2 feet in front of the crease, with a player who is skating backwards, then complains to the refs about interference.

    “Now I’m not being a homer here…” 90% of Chico’s sentences start that way.

  109. As a (fairly) young’un, I have no hatred for the Islanders whatsoever. I was born after their reign of terror I guess.

  110. Sioux-per-man on

    Flyers – easy to hate – but hands down best games to watch

    Pitt – just want to beat Crosby/Bettmans team

    Devils – great games. Easier now that Parise is gone, but Zajac is there. Have alot of respect for Fighting Sioux players playing in the big leagues.

    Islanders – Hate to loss to a lessor team. Brock Nelson is their #1 prospect, Fighting Sioux that will make a difference on this team next year.

    Montreal – Just get a win on the road. It will be interesting if Danny Kristo makes this team when he is done with the Sioux this year. That kid has a ton of heart, will be imposible to root against him, but not his team – if that makes any sense.

  111. after last night, I wonder if Miller has a little agitator in him. His cockiness must be at least a little irritating.

  112. Man, Chico is a clown. He said “It’s been Bump a Marty Party for a long time.” More like Olympic qualifiers for diving.

  113. Doodie Machetto on

    Yergs, they were also a solid squad during the Rangers’ dark years. It never translated into playoff success, but man, I hated listening to Islanders fans brag about long we had been out of the playoffs.

    Good thing Milbury ruined their franchise.

  114. Most Hated:

    1. Devils
    2. Devils Fans
    3. Caps Team
    4. Caps Fans
    5. Islanders Fans
    5a. Penguins

  115. Brodeur was fair game being about half a foot outside the crease when bumped. And when he was bumped he made it seem as if he got hit by an 18 wheeler the way he fell back.

    I too remember cursing out Wade Redden for allowing Fedorov to get that winning shot through his legs and then switching to the Devils feed and watching that goal. What a rapid change of emotions.

  116. His blatant admission of homerism after we knocked out the Swamp Rats in Game 5 when Henrik stopped a John “Beady Eyes” Madden penalty shot and Dubinsky scored the EN in Newark put me into the sublime, Doodie. He was almost brought to cheers by the Rangers celebrating on the ice and the Rangers fans, including myself, celebrating in the crowd. What a clown.

  117. Yea, Lloyd. It’s true. The Islanders are so non important that I can’t really hate them. Fans, fine. But the team is just sad.

  118. let me put it this way about “Chico”

    if somehow Micheletti was jettisoned from the Ranger broadcast team and Resch replaced him, I would become an Islander fan

  119. Kredier DEFINITELY is an agitator. After the whistle and such. He’s a realy little punk. Good to see.

    I told you guys, in Hartford, when I was at the Whale game, the whistle blue when he was at center ice. He skated over picked up the puck, leisurely skated down the ice and dumped it into the net to the dismay of the opposition. Real jerk move.

  120. Season tickets since 1978 (family since 1959):

    Ask me in 1983
    -Islanders
    -Flyers
    -Bruins
    -Devils

    1993
    -Flyers
    -Islanders
    -Devils
    -Penguins

    2003
    -Flyers
    -Devils
    -Penguins
    -Islanders

    2013
    -Penguins
    -Flyers
    -Devils
    -Islanders

  121. my roommate in college was a bandwagon Caps fan, and I asked him if he hates that stupid guy in the crowd blowing the horn every game or the guy (maybe the same person) yelling out “Let’s Go Caps”. He said yes, and when I asked him why, I kid you not, this is what he said: “well, how else would you know when to cheer?”

  122. Ok…so let’s do a list of top 5 hated announcers.

    1. Doc Emrick
    2. Chico
    3. Pierre McGuire
    4. Joe Buck
    5. Mike Lange

  123. Doodie, it should read “to tears” not “to cheers”, but you get the point. I’ve searched for video of it a few times, never could find it. But it was classic.

  124. That’s the one, ilb. Raffi Torres should be out of the NHL entirely.

    Bandwagon Caps fans are THE WORST, Yergs. SO BAD.

  125. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Those were my picks for the 3 stars also Carp. The guys need to come out & play the same way tomorrow night.

  126. Doodie Machetto on

    Matteau, I like your idea. I started being a fan in 1993. Here’s how I’ve viewed the Patrick Division.

    1993
    -Islanders
    -Flyers
    -Penguins
    -Capitals
    -Devils

    2003
    -Devils
    -Flyers
    -Islanders
    -Penguins
    -Capitals

    2013
    -Devils
    -Penguins
    -Flyers
    -Capitals
    -Islanders

  127. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – what’s the story when Philly is in town, that the Empire State Building is Orange?

    I never did know. Why they would fly another teams colors.

  128. my kind of topic here today.

    hatred in order-currently

    1 penguins
    2. devils
    3. islanders
    4 flyers
    5. caps
    6.montreal
    7.boston
    8.toronto
    9.buffalo
    10.ottawa
    11. winnipeg
    12.carolina
    13. tampa
    14. florida

    if the devs and pens played a playoff series i think i would close one eye and watch with the other.

    now when and if isles get good i will move them to one as i grew up in long island with all isles fans

  129. I dont mind Joe Buck at all.

    “As Boone hits it to deep left. That might send the Yankees to the World Series. Boone the hero in Game 7″

  130. Doodie Machetto on

    Hockey only:

    1. Chico
    2. Pee Air
    3. Jack Edwards
    4. Joe Beninati
    5. Joe “Pardon me, Sam” Micheletti

    HM: Butch Goring. I actually think Goring (and some other announcers) is (are) worse than Joe M., but I have to listen to Joe so much more often.

  131. 1. Penguins
    2. Derbis
    3. Habitants (McGill years)
    4. Isles (long island years)
    5. Flyers
    6. Caps
    7. Leaves fans

    By the way who knew you could get a quality poutine lunch in Yonkers….

  132. 1. Flyers – those creamsicles coming over the boards = only site in sports making me physically ill
    2. Penguins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UjHkuBakpw
    3. Devils but almost solely due to Marty’s arrogance and Chico’s – well, not repeatable.
    4. Caps – I think Ovechkin is a huge, arrogant punk. His blowing kisses at the Garden crowd after scoring in the SO is totally punk, bushleague behavior
    5. Bruins – also an arrogant organization

  133. Doodie Machetto on

    Rob, totally. Buck is the antithesis of classic calls. Just monotone underselling of every major event he’s covered.

  134. Doodie Machetto on

    Manning to Tyree could have been Joe Buck’s “Down goes Frazier!” or “and this one will last a lifetime” but instead he just ruined the moment, completely.

  135. Edm wants a 3rd for Whitney Torri’s could be had for a 4th or maybe a 5th If these would happen then we need to subtract Boyle and Powe and Pyatt for MZA Fast and Torri’s Don’t think that would work losing a center . Think if we stay the course with just MZA in and maybe Ptatt out it would work Also think Whitney might be worth a try

  136. bull dog line on

    as an older Ranger fan here, my hatred of the Islanders will never die. too many moments against them.
    the shock of 75. the joy of 79. misery of 81 (swept in 4 games) losing in 82 and 83, and the one that still hurts to this day, game 5 in 84. that is a game I have never gotten over. other teams I dislike. the Islanders I will forever hate.

  137. iib and Manny yes that Raffi Torres, I take him on this team in a heartbeat. Stirring up a little hate and passion wouldn’t be the worst thing for this bunch. By the way 13 pims this year.

  138. Sioux-per-man on

    I thought the Devils would be at the top of most list because of the finals last year?

  139. I have additional hatred for the Islanders because that drive out there will probably end up taking several years off my life.

  140. Sioux-per-man on

    GREAT clip. Gotta Love Torts for speaking his mind after a game.

    Has to be in the top 10, if not top 5 clips in post game quotes from Torts!

  141. Doodie Machetto on

    Doc I hate much more now than when he was the Devils’ regular. He’s become a caricature of himself. Back in the mid to late 90s through the early 200s, I thought he called a good game. It’s his history that keeps him off the list.

    Other hockey announcers that I hate, in no particular order:

    Bill Clement, Rick Jeanneret, Keith Jones, Chris Therrien (does Flyers radio which I have had to listen to twice on the way home from work, brutal), Paul Steigerwald, Craig Laughlin, Brian Engblom, Darren Pang, Drew Remenda (which is a shame because I love Randy Hahn), Brian Hayward, Billy Jaffe, Gary Thorne (when he used to do hockey).

    I just noticed I named almost all of ESPN’s old broadcasting crew except for Steve Levy and Dave Strader, both of whom I like.

    Studio Analysts, I hate 99% of them, so I can’t even begin to list.

  142. Carp

    At what point does Tortorella have to move Boyle to the 4th line? With Zuccarello coming back and the Rangers struggling to score all season, naturally Boyle should be bumped down no?

  143. Doodie Machetto on

    Sam covers a lot of Redskins games. Does a great job with them, too. Kenny has to cover the Eagles a lot. I love Kenny’s game call, both on the radio for the Rangers and for the NFL. I really hope he gets the TV gig when Sam retires.

  144. Well, I’ve only had one car totaled out there (at the death-intersection of Hempstead Tpke and Ovington Blvd.), so it must be the drive.

    oleo, when he no longer thinks Boyle is a third-line player?

  145. bull dog line on

    Manny has been mentioning Boyle on the wing for a while now. I thought is was a bad idea. seeing him there last night I must say I liked him on the wing. he did not have to carry the puck as much, so he could play to his strength, which I think is along the boards, and in front of the net.

  146. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Gravey March 27th, 2013 at 7:05 am
    “The snow angels.” … Love it, Carp

    I may claim copyright (c) infringements on this screen name ;)

    Carp, sorry I didn’t put up a WBM (c) because I had to DVR the 3rd period and still haven’t watchted it, but I think it’s safe to say:

    0) Boyle
    1) Gaborik
    2) Hamrlik
    3) Eminger
    4) Richards
    5) Pyatt

  147. Thanks Sioux, I’ll neve rforget the hate for the Isles and Flyers but I have to admit it’s just not the same which is kind of sad.

    Doodie if we go back to 1973 I put Bruins at the top.

    Honorable mentions for 2013 are Leafs and Habs, they and their fans are starting to bug me.

  148. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    The only problem I have with Boyle on the wing is that he has the best faceoff % on the team (regular centers). But, they can still use him to take draws in the D zone.

  149. Once in a while, I’m on the LIE, I think of Harry Chapin, RIP.
    “You see, she was gonna be an actress, and I was going to learn to fly.”

  150. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, I agree. Boyle looks better on the wing. He is an odd case. He can throw good hits, but a strong wind could topple him. That’s what makes him better along the boards. He can come in hard to forecheck, but he isn’t strong enough to keep position in front of the goal.

  151. Mrs. Manny was polite enough to grace us with her top most-hated list:

    1. Flyers
    2. Devils
    3. Penguins
    4. Islanders
    5. Every expansion team

  152. Sioux-per-man on

    I hated last Game 6 last year with the Devils!

    I just didn’t want it to end right there, still stings a little. I had bought a ticket when I played the WSOP that year and the Rangers were 40-1 to win the whole thing. I bought it days before they signed Richards.

    Anyway, the kids were home, wife wanted to go out to eat. I wanted to stay home watch the game. She says, what are you worried about the Rangers are going to win tonight, you can have the seat by the TV. Fine. I’m out numbered 5-1.

    Then …. YUCK….. food sucked, service sucked, Rangers lose. I apologized to my wife & kids, walked out of the restuarant, and walked all the way home.

    They still give me a bad time about it.

  153. Doodie Machetto on

    Mrs. Machetto was unavailable for comment, but I’m sure her list is:

    1) Rangers when I’m at the game without her;
    2) Rangers when I’m watching them on TV;
    3) Rangers in the playoffs;
    4) Whatever team I’m supporting; and
    5) Devils (because Brodeur is “man scum”)

  154. Can’t believe eric hasn’t got the Rangers at the top of his list. :)

    Mine would be:
    Penguins (tanking, media fawning, bandwagon fans, Steigerwald/Errey, my brother’s team)
    Devils (bunch of Lamoriello drones that keep being successful, Emrick/Chico, Maaarty)
    Flyers (their ongoing enjoyable self-destruction stops them climbing higher)
    Islanders (still just a red-headed stepchild until their next re-re-emergence)
    The rest

  155. Announcing Carcillo List:

    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Errey
    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Steigerwald
    Errey
    Steigerwald
    Chico

  156. Sioux-per-man on

    Kids bought her a wall hanging.

    “This marriage is on hold …
    Until Hockey Season is over”

  157. thought it was a good sign last night that Rangers scored a couple on one-timers. Was missing that the past few years. Nash seems to like those and with his great shot it could be a weapon. Richards too.

  158. Doodie Machetto on

    She’s actually in an interview, her first of the year. Here’s hoping she gets the job so she doesn’t go crazy staying at home all the time (and so we can get de moneys)

  159. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Mrs. Gravy would agree with most of Mrs. Machetto’s list, but she probably doesn’t know who Marty is or what transpired.

    It’s nice to see Stepan really becoming consistent as the 2A/1B center.

  160. Doodie Machetto on

    The only reason Mrs. Machetto knows is because she overheard me refer to him as “Uncle-Daddy” and asked me why I did that.

  161. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, I agree with you.

    Carp, I know you agree with me that Stepan probably doesn’t have #1C upside, but he sure looked like he could last night. He took over the game the way you would want a #1C to be able to do. He’s had some flashes of #1C play this year. Even you would have to admit that.

  162. Carp, could not agree more with point #11. Leetch has always been good, but he has grown so much in his role and definitely is “better than the other MSG studio guys.” Wish he was a part of more of the Rangers’ games, but perhaps it’s his choice to only do so many games.

  163. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Uncle Daddy…nice one!

    For all _intensive purpose_ he is their #1 center right now. He on pace for 64 points over an 82 game season, which is right around what Richards had last year. Granted I’d prefer if he got to the 70-75 point range, but also have to take into account the threat to score.

  164. Sioux-per-man on

    Gravy – I say Step gets the #1 Center “handle” until Richards can pass him in points.

    Makes sense to me.

  165. Have to define what it means to be 1C and distinguish being able to play 1C vs being an impact 1C. With a star like Nash on his wing then Step can play 1C. But he is not and I don’t think will be an impact 1C. Ideally he is an excellent 2C.

  166. Doodie Machetto on

    hockey,

    Leetch is indeed good, but the comparison to the other MSG studio guys doesn’t set a very high bar. Pidto doesn’t belong near a hockey broadcast. Duguay is the most unprepared, unprofessional know-nothing in broadcasting. Jaffe is a pompous jerk. Nothing Keenan has said or done has been relevant in over a decade. Only Dano is moderately tolerable, but he is such a huge homer that it’s hard to call what he does “analysis.”

    And don’t even get me started on Al “sports archaeologist” Trautwig.

    And I don’t know if Giannone still counts as a studio guy, but he sucks too. Although after the puck to the face, I sure as hell respect him.

  167. Habs and Leafs people think everyone should and will be a Hab or a Leaf. Worse than Ranger fans. That’s why they are creeping into my 2013 list.

  168. Doodie Machetto on

    Matteau, before the season, I would have agreed in a second. Stepan looked like he would be a 2C. But after watching some of his games this season? I see little flashes that make me wonder. I still think he’s a 2C, but maybe, just maybe, he takes another -step- jump higher.

  169. Doodie Machetto on

    Clowe would be a great addition for us, too bad he won’t be nearly worth the asking price. If Doug Murray is two second rounders and Brendan Morrow is a 1st round prospect, Clowe is at least a first and a prospect.

  170. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – that’s a harsh list.

    Rosen – sets the bar pretty high. He’s is the best in the business.

    Al – I like his interview between periods.

    Giannone – between the benches are good.

    Jim Cerney – Great coverage behind the scene’s. not on tv.

    Keenan & Torts – on behind the bench is good. Give some insight from a coach perspective.

    Leetch – loved how he broke down Girardi’s 2 plays in the post game last night. How a Dman has to make a decision in a split second, and what can happen.

    MSG – I would say is the best in the business, and that’s from someone in ND.

  171. Sioux-per-man on

    TSN – has the best world wide coverage of hockey. But I’m not compairing MSG networks to TSN.

  172. To Giannone’s credit, at least he does give some semi-meaningful insight into what is being said on and behind the benches when he’s at ice level, which some others don’t.

  173. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    SPM, agree that as of -forever- today, Stepan is the #1 on the Rangers. Not sure if he is in the top half of #1’s in the league yet.

    Also, not saying that he can’t get there. His problem, if you want to call it that for a player in his early 20s, has been consistency. If he can continue to play at this level, there’d be no doubt he’s a true #1.

  174. Manny I can’t believe you’re complaining about the lack of nonsense and the peace and quiet we have here today : D

  175. Doodie Machetto on

    I was referring to Giannone purely when he works in studio. I think he’s great between the benches.

  176. Carp

    With Boyle’s 1 goal and 1 assist, surely that should qualify as “no longer a 3rd line player”

    I know he is valuable even when he’s not scoring, but as a team struggling to score goals it’s hard to play with only 2 lines capable of scoring…

  177. Did I mention that Steigerwald and Errey are disgustingly unprofessional, smug homers with voices like something you’d hear at a turkey abattoir?

  178. If Babchuk is available, I’m sure Jim Rutherford and his encyclopaedic knowledge of players that have already played for him six or seven times will be first in line.

  179. Doodie Machetto on

    LW, that starts above him with Karmanos and CompuWare. Chad Larose has played for every single Karmanos-eligible team.

  180. Hate for teams and people associated with sport is petty. A symbol of this flawed society.

  181. _the tanked seasons used to stockpile lottery picks._

    You are suggesting that the Penguins intentionally lost matches to garner high draft picks. Do you understand how ridiculous that is?

  182. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – I really don’t see any changes needed at the trade deadline. IF Staal will be back and ready in 2 -3 weeks. Can Hamr fill the void?

    Zucc and Fast might get a look before post season. More forwards would have to sit if they do. Not thinking we will see both in the same game just yet.

    Rangers intersted in Conor Allen tells me they would use their 50th contract on him.

    Allen has that feeling of a good draft pick, that would be a top prospect for the Rangers. If they sign him. You would think he would play for the Whale right away.

  183. Doodie Machetto on

    Maybe the Rangers can trade away an expiring contract or two for “future considerations” or a “conditional 7th.” Eligible players:

    1) Mike Vernace
    2) Sean Collins
    3) Logan Pyett
    4) Brandon Mashinter
    5) Brandon Segal

    Maybe they move an impending RFA Like Ferriero, but I figure the UFA guys are the easier ones to move.

  184. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, I get the exact opposite feeling about Allen. To me he is Gilroy 2.0. Older college UFA D who will get overpaid on a one-way contract when he should spend at least two years in the AHL before trying to play at the NHL level.

  185. Doodie Machetto on

    What’s with Lundqvist calling MZA Hobbit so much? Didn’t MZA say how much he doesn’t like the nickname? Lundqvist is a bully, man.

  186. I’m Fine with Giannone. He can be in the booth anytime. He is really good in between the benches. He actually gives information that I care about. And, at least he takes a puck to the face and keeps working. I get a little tired of hearing Micheletti talk about the circumference of different players upper thigh areas.

  187. Sioux – Hobbit Wizard has a one way contract. He’s playing. That’s the whole point of getting him.

  188. _He actually gives information that I care about._

    Yes. His discussion of the level of engagement each bench has is very noteworthy.

    [Note to myself: Above is sarcasm]

  189. I started not minding Giannone when he didnt back away from Avery’s childish behavior.

  190. Sioux-per-man on

    Doodie – I think they signed him. Sounds like he could play for the Whale on Saturday.

  191. ottawa has announced that big ben bishop gets the call tom night vs rangers and not robyn lehner. can we score on this tall piece of crap

  192. _I started not minding Giannone when he didnt back away from Avery’s childish behavior._

    Giannone will be very happy with your view of him.

    [Note to self: Above is sarcasm]

  193. Sioux-per-man on

    Manny – I’m a fan of the Hobbit.

    Just like watching Miller get a new role last night. Kreider with Richards.

    Zucc with ……. Gabby?

    There is nothing better in the game of Hockey when you watch a young players like Hags & Step gell with an ALL STAR like Nash, and create excellence. It’s like watching poetry in motion.

  194. conor allan has picked the rangers over preds and will be assigned to whale. the rangers are now at the max 50 contracts

  195. Ben Bishop, the Storm Trooper, is a very difficult opponent for us (if I recall correctly).

  196. How much longer is this Troll going to be tolerated?

    Atta boy, Sioux! Long Live the ^Hobbit Wizard^ for he is Lord of the Rink.

    And yea, Sioux. Watching the kids grow up is awesome. Especially since I don’t yet have any children of my own.

  197. _Thominator 9400_

    Lunacy. I prefer to be called Thominator 2: Judgment Day

    [Note to self: Above is sarcasm]

  198. Sioux-per-man on

    Eric – You can tell the Conor is a smart man, and has picked the right team.

    Can’t say that about the other two that didn’t.

  199. Here is a bit on *Conor Allen* for all those who don’t know (like me):

    In his 99 game NCAA career (through his junior year), the 6’1, 203 lb defenseman has a scoring line of 14-25-39. Allen, a native of Chicago is rumored to be down to the Rangers and Predators as his final two teams.

    The Rangers, who are thin on defensive prospects, could really use Allen to help shore up the depth in the AHL. If the Rangers are to sign him, his contract would likely begin next season, with the Rangers signing him to an ATO for the remainder of this season.

    ******************************

    The Chicago, Illinois native scored five goals and added 14 helpers in 33 games this season for the Minutemen. Allen played one season in the NAHL with the St. Louis Bandits then joined the Sioux Falls Stampede of the USHL before matriculating to UMass-Amherst.

    Allen is definitely a pro-ready defenseman who has terrific vision up ice. He will be an asset on the power play in the AHL. It is expected that Allen could join the Whale as early as Saturday for their game against the Springfield Falcons.

  200. Sioux-per-man on

    Manny I’m am a Father to a Hobbit.

    I have the smallest kid on the ice, plays with all heart. He just has too much of his Mother in him to grow UP :)

  201. _conor allan has picked the rangers_

    There is a difference maker.

    [Note to self: Above is sarcasm]

  202. I’m on it, Ria! It will be the #1 gift I give out for birthdays/holidays/anniversaries and all other events!

  203. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Most hated list
    1. Devils
    2. Isles
    3. Flyers
    4. Any NBA/MLB team
    5. Any team Gary Bettman is on

    Honorable mention Florida and St. Louis

  204. Thom94, not the players on the ice, but fielding a team incapable of winning all those seasons…..how many lottery picks are on that roster? And now the front office can do no wrong/got smart quickly? Please. Which brings me to another reason for hating them – their bandwagon fans who almost let them move out of town during the “tank” years now talk like that never happened.

  205. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    Wicky thanks for the congrats yesterday. Thanks to blogmama too its much appreciated! Manny it really is a good read okay so maybe i’m just a wee bit predjudice.

  206. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    Sioux, Manny = vibin’ again.

    Nothing like watching young players evolve. Again, I eat some crow. We have a bunch of kids that are here that have come in while Slather has been GM. I don’t give him any credit for any, but watching Staal, Girardi, but especially, Step, Hags, ‘The Kreid’, and JT, they are works in progress. It is great to see them flower, learn, and build.

    Difference between them and ‘my man’ Boyle is that there is some nice upside here. Boyler is what he is, may have a slightly better last 3rd of year, but no great upside. The kids…..in time…yes.

    Very cool.

  207. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    See Zucc’s comments to Hank on tweet? “the guy who can always score on you…”?

  208. After the game, John Tortorella said that the trio was “effective” and “I consider that our top line. They have been our most consistent players.”

    Dave Maloney added that the Rangers are 7-0-1 when those three play together and Derek Stepan is the engine who makes that line run.

    When asked what made the line work, Rick Nash credited Derek Stepan with being excellent in the defensive zone and how from there he is able to open things up offensively. Nash credited Carl Hagelin’s speed as being a huge asset in backing off defenders and creating space.

  209. _Thom94, not the players on the ice, but fielding a team incapable of winning all those seasons_

    Do you think the Penguins management intentionally fielded a team incapable of winning? To “tank” requires intent.

    _their bandwagon fans_

    Every squad has bandwagon fans.

  210. Matty – are you referring to the often overlooked, and rarely achieved “Menage a Vibe” ?

  211. Matty"Monster Nash"Boy on

    Manny, us three have had that going more than once, mon bon monsieur!

  212. Rob in Beantown on

    Nobody ever said the penguins tanked intentionally. It’s just a statement of fact that they were bad for a long time and as a result got a lot of lottery picks.

  213. that Hank and Zucc photo…..Aragorn and Frodo together again.

    looking forward to seeing him out there….not sure where he fits but this reshaping of the bottom six forwards is promising.

  214. Rob in Beantown on

    “Vancouver played well in the regular season but tanked in the postseason.”

    That’s something I would totally say and would not imply intent

  215. eddie eddie eddie on

    ….don’t let it bring you down, its only castles burning, just find someone whose turning, and you will come around…..

  216. _That’s something I would totally say and would not imply intent_

    Point taken. However, these other folks are implying intent as a reason for their petty dislike.

  217. eddie eddie eddie on

    the masochist said to the sadist, “beat me” and the sadist said “no”

  218. eddie eddie eddie on

    Blind man running thru the light of the night with an answer in his hand. Come on down to the river of sight and you can really understand. Red light flashing through the window in the rain can you hear the sirens moan? White cane lying in a gutter in the lane, if you are walking on the road, don’t let it bring you down….

  219. Nice day, thought I’d pop out and visit the ledge. Bunch o’ guys out there smokin’ ’em if they got ’em, leaning back against the building — not peering over the edge at the moment — grumbling, “Philly stinks, shoulda beat’m by at least seven”; “Hank didn’t look too sharp on that neck-deflection, let it go right through him”; “Richards couldn’t hit the broad side of an acorn”; “Sens’ll light us up if we play that open”… Strangely cheery lot, though, considering, and so welcoming. I made a handful of optimistic comments just for laughs, and they rolled with it, offered me a glass of something or other — tasty but a little bitter. Hemloch, I think they called it.

  220. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Norm – I ran 20,000 simulations. This is accurate.

    We beat the jets in rd 1 in 6

    We beat the pens in rd 2 in 7

    We are tied 3-3 with the Bruins. Game 7. Boston.

  221. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Bookies look to him for an edge.

    He speaks English in Spanish.

    Sand gets its dry from him.

    Stay thirsty my friends.

  222. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Moreover, a jockey never stands on the horse’s neck the entire race. Never happens.

  223. Doodie Machetto on

    http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/04088/292486.stm#ixzz1quCDJ8dR

    “The old coach admits it all now, even if the old GM hedges. They tanked it.

    “If Pittsburgh hadn’t gotten Mario Lemieux that year, I think the franchise would’ve folded,” Angotti said. The plan was hatched over a midseason lunch between him and E.J. Forget gold, they were going for the mold. “We didn’t actually try to throw games. But, you know, we went in there with the understanding … we weren’t going to be upset if we lost.”

    Starting at New Year’s Eve, the club went into a spectacular nosedive, or, using Angotti’s terms, they weren’t upset 35 times, were upset seven times, were fit to be tied once. That’s how you finish 16-58-6 overall.

    Their best goaltending prospect, Roberto Romano, was demoted to the minors and up came Vincent Tremblay, who graciously allowed 24 goals in four starts, all losses. Their locker room needed a revolving door, with 48 players shuffling in and out, the likes of Rocky Saganiuk, Tim Tookey, Dean DeFazio and Mitch Lamoreux. Most of their stars were hurt: Rick Kehoe, Paul Gardner and Randy Carlyle — whom E.J.expertly traded for nothing up front.

    Angotti remembered a 3-1 lead against the Rangers that prompted E.J. to barge into the coach’s office amid the first intermission, “What are you doing?” They lost, 6-3.”

  224. Doodie Machetto on

    Thom, it proves the coach and GM hatched a conspiracy to tank the season and get Lemieux. Furthermore, the article was originally published in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on March 28, 2004. It was written by Chuck Finder, who was one of their sports columnists at the time.

    Here’s a link to the actual article, with his authorship attributed.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/chuck-finder/finder-lessons-can-be-learned-from-angotti-and-1984-532120/

  225. Drew Stafford has been a healthy scratch for two straight games. That means he has to be going somewhere, right? If they don’t trade him he would demand it, right?

  226. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Southern man not fond of Asians: Chanks for the memories.

    I love Chinese food – dont hate

  227. _We didn’t actually try to throw games. But, you know, we went in there with the understanding … we weren’t going to be upset if we lost.”_

    They did not try to throw matches. Furthermore, the players did not try to throw matches. The general manager can be “not upset” if the team loses. That does not mean the players went into matches with the intent to lose.

  228. Doodie Machetto on

    “Angotti remembered a 3-1 lead against the Rangers that prompted E.J. to barge into the coach’s office amid the first intermission, “What are you doing?” They lost, 6-3.” ”

    They intentionally lost.

  229. Right….the Pittsburgh front office went in to each of those seasons confident that the teams they were fielding would challenge for a playoff spot with no idea about the pending draft class(es). Again, the players did not let up, but were not put in a position to be competitive in the NHL. So maybe not “tanked.” How does “intentionally non-competitive roster selection sound?” It’s kind of like when a team out of a playoff spot deals a star for draft picks….except starting several consecutive seasons that way (with no hope at all). Some of the prouder franchises don’t have that luxury, and some don’t want to risk alienating their fanbase.

  230. Doodie Machetto on

    The players may not have tanked, but the management intentionally tried to ice a team that would not be competitive.

  231. I said prior to the game against Ottawa when Richards returned from injury that Torts needed to keep Nash /Stepan /Hags line together as well as Gabby/Miller/Cally and play Richards on the 3rd line…….. Nine games later, with a 3-6 record during those games, he finally heard me.

  232. Calgary speculation is that Iginla wants to work out an extension with any team he gets traded to before he goes there.

  233. darntwinblades on

    Thom94: Lighten up!:-) Doodie’s gotcha here.

    Good to see the self-appointed head of the Jackwagon and Troll squad
    is on the job. Storm-troopery, indeed.

    Haven’t got a hate list (notable exception: Felonious Flyers, the Clarke-and-the-Cowards years). Was expelled from Sarasota Fan College first semester for abject failure to “get it.”
    Admire and like the Isles champions, Devils as well.

    Announcer lists are as laughably subjective as descriptions of penalties and fights here.
    Absent the right connections, most of them don’t even get an interview. Find, somehow,
    tapes of Marty Glickman, Mel Allen. Mellifluous. Personable. Great delivery. Great diction. Attention to the game. Then listen to Sam, or Kenny (from the Thank God Pop Was an Announcer crew). Not in the same league…

  234. It is lunacy. It is a conspiracy theory involving general manager, coach, and players.

    Players and management get paid based on performance.

    Unless it involves a match fixing plot for money, then a team does not tank.

  235. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Torts ” climb aboard MZA, I had one made special for you…. They’ll buckle us in”

  236. Doodie Machetto on

    Thom, and they were both fired for it. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. People make crazy decisions all the time.

  237. Torts when visiting parents: not allowed upstairs by himself because he likes to jump up and down on their bed with his shoes on.

  238. Doodie Machetto on

    and Thom, it doesn’t involve the players. The player could be out there trying to win. The GM can just give the coach a non-competitive lineup and the coach can manage that lineup in a way to even further limit their chance of success.

  239. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Torts’ Dad “we can experiment without the car seat…. But you’re not ready to come out for good”

  240. Sully to Boyler: “Brian don’t drive off until Torts gets buckled in his car seat.”

  241. @AdamRotter Buzz@: San Jose Is Looking For A First Rounder For Ryane Clowe on.sny.tv/11NnYC3

    **********************

    There goes that idea…

  242. darntwinblades on

    Carl: I believe the man impersonating Bryzgalov(?) in the first period
    last night turned out to be…..Bryzgalov!!!

    Seriously, he is not seen as the biggest problem in Philly this year.
    His work has been decent most nights.

  243. Did they even have car seats in ’59, or did they just toss little Johnny on the backseat floor with a bottle of Elmer’s and some dog hair to experiment with goatee futures?

  244. _Thom – is the “h” silent? Or do you pronounce it?_

    It is pronounced with h. Thom as in “them”

  245. darntwinblades on

    Wow: how do you do it?

    Gotta track trolls, jackwagons, and epic digressors, to say
    nothin’ of historic troopers?

    Just wow!!!!!

    All while workin’ for the man…..

  246. Doodie Machetto on

    I’d like to take you now on wings of song, as it were, and try and help you forget perhaps for a while your drab, wretched lives. Here’s a song all about spring-time in general, and in particular, about one of the many delightful pastimes the coming of spring affords us all.

    Spring is here, a-suh-puh-ring is here.
    Life is skittles and life is beer.
    I think the loveliest time of the year is the spring.
    I do, don’t you? ‘Course you do.
    But there’s one thing that makes spring complete for me,
    And makes ev’ry Sunday a treat for me.

    All the world seems in tune
    On a spring afternoon,
    When we’re poisoning pigeons in the park.
    Ev’ry Sunday you’ll see
    My sweetheart and me,
    As we poison the pigeons in the park.

    When they see us coming, the birdies all try an’ hide,
    But they still go for peanuts when coated with cyanide.
    The sun’s shining bright,
    Ev’rything seems all right,
    When we’re poisoning pigeons in the park.

    Lalaalaalalaladoodiedieedoodoodoo

    We’ve gained notoriety,
    And caused much anxiety
    In the Audubon Society
    With our games.
    They call it impiety,
    And lack of propriety,
    And quite a variety
    Of unpleasant names.
    But it’s not against any religion
    To want to dispose of a pigeon.

    So if Sunday you’re free,
    Why don’t you come with me,
    And we’ll poison the pigeons in the park.
    And maybe we’ll do
    In a squirrel or two,
    While we’re poisoning pigeons in the park.

    We’ll murder them all amid laughter and merriment.
    Except for the few we take home to experiment.
    My pulse will be quickenin’
    With each drop of strychnine
    We feed to a pigeon.
    It just takes a smidgen!
    To poison a pigeon in the park.

  247. “Sully, can you fetch my 6″ platform shoes? I need to see over the bench tonight.”

  248. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Doodie – not cool….. You will go the bad place if you listen to that stuff.

  249. ‘Hey now, you better listen to me, every one of you
    We got a lotta lotta lotta lotta work to do
    Forget about your woman and that water can
    Today we’re workin’ for the man.’

    Roy Orbison

  250. Doodie Machetto on

    Thom, you can ostrich all you want, the proof is there. The admission is there. Feel free to just keep on trollin.

  251. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Thom – don’t give up…. There must be tapes lying around somewhere that has somebody saying something to someone….

  252. Doogie: ‘Darlin’, did you see my kaleidoscopic palm tree Hawaiian shirt with the big collar that I wear under my Nehru jacket?’

  253. Feel free to keep wearing your tin foil hat. When you also have proof that nobody landed on the moon, please enlighten me.

  254. “A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.”

  255. eddie eddie eddie on

    Slats has to go pee ever minute or so during trade negotiations…..it will take forever….

  256. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    If iggy works put an extension prior to deal, I up my ante to what I am willing to give up to get him

  257. Doodie Machetto on

    Thom, if I had Buzz Aldrin saying “I’m not saying we didn’t land on the moon, but let’s just say we weren’t disappointed with our soundstage” then I would say they didn’t land on the moon. That is basically what we have with the Penguins and Angotti.

  258. Doodie Machetto on

    JR: “Sometimes he goes and sometimes he doesn’t go but he always does one.”

  259. Speaking of astronauts, Neil Armstrong, who hated NASA enforced running for exercise, said that he thought that every human had a finite number of heartbeats and he didn’t intend to waste any of them running around some stupid track. :)

  260. No worries. I saw the pictures of the teams equipment being loaded on the plane. Hank’s gatorade , a blender, and the protein is on board. good to go

  261. What you have is a post-employment-termination story about two bitter, sacked ex-employees saying that they did not mind losing. That does not validate any theory.

  262. Doodie Machetto on

    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

  263. Stranger Nation on

    “Would you like to tie me up with one of your ties, Ty? ”

    – Lacy Underalls

  264. You might have something there, Strange. Who carries all those silk ties for an overnight?

  265. I only watched part of one of those movies. But I am sure there is a good joke or two there.

  266. He just played the other day, its just paperwork according to Torts on the radio today.

  267. wait, manny, is it that you wouldn’t trade the Rangers’ 1st-rounder for Clowe or that you think the pick won’t be high enough for San Jose to take it in return for him?

  268. Cross Check Charlie on

    Saw this in the widget “Will Jeff Gorton Be The Next GM Of The Rangers?”

    Wouldn’t it be more fitting for Gorton to be GM of the Fishsticks?

  269. OK, you’re all scaring me, taking the Clowe joke too far, starting to think you’re serious about wanting him here. Scoring. Need it. He ain’t got it. Goals. Clowe. Zero.

  270. Jeff in South Dakota on

    Al Czervik: You’re a lot of woman, you know that? Yeah, wanna make 14 dollars the hard way?

  271. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Clowe is 6’2 225lbs and the past 4 full NHL seasons has averaged 20 goals 54 points and 94 PIMs.

    He can play on any line and he is a Newfie.

    Hell yes trade for this guy!’n

  272. Doodie, my favorite song…by one of my favorite songwriters. He also penned

    “pollution, pollution, I don’t care,
    I Just don’t drink the water
    and don’t breath the air”…

  273. Got lost on Youtube and ended up watching the highlights of our 2008 second round series versus Pittsburgh. Could have been a way different series for several reasons. If that absurd penalty on Straka upon which the Penguins scored the winner wasn’t called in Game One, I think the game might have ended differently. NYR blew a three goal lead but had tied the game up at four. Secondly, Jagr’s performance in Game 3 at MSG is probably one of the most dominant games I’ve ever seen by a singular player. He almost single-handedly rallied us from two goals down, and Hollweg took a most infamous of penalties. If that hadn’t occurred, I think NYR would have won that game as well. And imagine the referee had called offside in OT of Game 5?

    Not saying we would have beaten Detroit in the finals, or even won that same series, but looking back on it years later, it’s frustrating.

  274. eddie eddie eddie on

    Barkeep “closing time torts…you gotta go now”

    Torts “someone unstrap me right @#$%^&**&^%$## now”

  275. eddie eddie eddie on

    latona – pound for pound, the toughest men to ever play….

    1. Stan jonathan

    2. Tie Domi

    3. Petr Nedved

  276. You talked me into Clowe. I say we give them Boyle, another former 20-goaler who can’t score any more, though we’d be losing size, weight, adding age.

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