Rangers at Jets tonight (8 p.m. start)


Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

Thursday, Mar. 14, 8:00 p.m.
MTS Centre – Winnipeg, MB
Rangers: 13-10-2 (28 pts)
Jets: 13-11-2 (28 pts)

The Rangers will face-off against the Winnipeg Jets at MTS Centre (8:00 p.m. — TV: MSG Network; Radio: Bloomberg Radio), as they continue their four-game road trip. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Atlantic Division standings, and rank eighth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 13-10-2 (28 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Buffalo Sabres, 3-1, on Tuesday at First Niagara Center, and are now 5-2-0 in the last seven games. The Blueshirts have registered a point in four of their last six road games (3-2-1). The Jets enter the contest with a 13-11-2 (28 pts) record to rank ninth in the Eastern Conference, and have recorded a point in four straight games (3-0-1). Following tonight’s contest, the Rangers will complete their four-game road trip when they face-off against the Pittsburgh Penguins on Saturday, Mar. 16, at CONSOL Energy Center (1:00 p.m.), in a matinee matchup.

All-Time: 23-16-1-9 overall (9-10-1-5 at home; 14-6-0-4 on the road)
2013: Tonight is the second of three meetings this season, and the only meeting at MTS Centre. The Rangers are 0-1-0 overall (0-1-0 at home; 0-0-0 on the road), following a 4-3 loss on Feb. 26 at Madison Square Garden. The Blueshirts’ penalty kill was 3-3 (100.0%) in the contest. Anton Stralman led the Rangers with two points (one goal, one assist) in their first meeting. Ryan Callahan and Taylor Pyatt have also tallied one goal apiece. Henrik Lundqvist made 28 saves in the contest.
Last Season: New York was 4-0-0 overall (2-0-0 at home; 2-0-0 on the road). The Rangers out-scored the Jets, 12-3, including a 6-0 advantage in the third period. The Rangers’ power play was 5-20 (25.0%), while the penalty kill held the Jets scoreless in 12 shorthanded situations in the series. Ryan Callahan (three goals, two assists), Marian Gaborik (two goals, three assists) and Michael Del Zotto (one goal, four assists) tied for the series lead in scoring with five points apiece. Callahan’s three goals led all skaters, and Del Zotto tallied a series-leading, four assists. Henrik Lundqvist was 2-0-0 with a 1.00 GAA, .957 Sv% and one shutout, while Martin Biron was 2-0-0 with a 0.50 GAA, .980 Sv% and one shutout.
– The Rangers’ 2-1 victory on Oct. 24, 2011, was the team’s first win in Winnipeg since a 5-4 victory against the previous Winnipeg Jets franchise on Nov. 21, 1992
– New York ranks 21st in the NHL with a 4-5-1 (9 pts) record on the road; Winnipeg ranks 29th in the NHL with a 5-6-0 (10 pts) mark at home
– The Rangers are 5-1-0 vs. the Southeast Division this season; the Jets are 5-3-1 vs. the Atlantic Division this season
– New York lists no former Jets on their roster
– Winnipeg lists two former Rangers on their roster: Nik Antropov (2008-09); Olli Jokinen (2009-10)

– Henrik Lundqvist — 22 GP, 9-6-6, 2.21 GAA, 2 SO
– Martin Biron — 20 GP, 8-11-0-0, 3.02 GAA, 4 SO
– Brad Richards — 51 GP, 18-38-56
– Marian Gaborik — 18 GP, 10-12-22
– Ryan Callahan — 18 GP, 8-5-13
– Michael Del Zotto — 10 GP, 2-8-10

The Rangers’ power play has tallied a goal in eight of the last 13 games (9-39, 23.1% over the span), while the Blueshirts’ penalty kill is 43-48 (89.6%) in the last 16 games. New York has posted a record of 8-4-1 when not allowing a power play goal.
Power Play: The Rangers did not tally a goal in one power play attempt (2:00) on Tuesday at Buffalo. New York ranks 23rd overall (13-83, 15.7%) and is tied for 24th on the road (4-32, 12.5%). The Rangers are 2-8 (7:46) in five-on-three situations (last – 3/3 vs. BUF), and 1-1 (0:21) when four-on-three (last – 3/7 at NYI). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 2/19 vs. MTL (Diaz, EN); 2/21 at OTT (Silfverberg); 3/3 vs. BUF (Gerbe).
Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Sabres scoreless in five power play attempts (10:00) and tallied a shorthanded goal on Tuesday at Buffalo. New York ranks seventh overall (75-89, 84.3%) and fifth on the road (28-33, 84.8%). The Rangers are 5-5 (5:52) in three-on-five situations (last – 3/10 at WSH), and 3-3 (4:19) when three-on-four (last – 3/3 vs. BUF). Shorthanded goals for (2): 1/20 vs. PIT (Nash); 3/12 at BUF (Stepan).
Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Tuesday at Buffalo, and are now minus-1 in 15 four-on-four situations (29:22) this season. Four-on-four goals for (1): 1/23 vs. BOS (Gaborik). Four-on-four goals allowed (2): 1/20 vs. PIT (Letang); 1/23 vs. BOS (Horton).

The Rangers have posted a record of 20-4-2 in their last 26 games against Southeast Division opponents, including a 5-1-0 mark against the Southeast Division this season. The Blueshirts have out-scored their Southeast Division opponents, 88-52, over the span.

Rick Nash currently leads the team with nine goals, having tallied his first eight goals of the season in the third period. Nash is the second player in NHL history whose first eight goals of a season were tallied in the third player, while fellow Ranger Arron Asham is the other to have accomplished the feat, in 2003-04, as a member of the New York Islanders.

Marian Gaborik has been among the league’s goal scoring leaders since joining the Rangers in 2009-10. Last season, Gaborik became the fifth player in Rangers history to record 100 goals in his first three seasons with the club, and became the third Ranger in franchise history to register multiple 40-goal seasons with the team. Entering this season, his 105 goals from 2009-10 to 2011-12 ranked seventh in the NHL, while his .48 goals per game average ranked third (behind Steven Stamkos and Alex Ovechkin) over that time period. Including games played this season, Gaborik currently ranks seventh in the league with 113 goals scored and is tied for third with .46 goals per game since the beginning of the 2009-10 season.

The Rangers rank third in the NHL in hits (761) this season. Rangers’ captain Ryan Callahan leads the team and is tied for eighth in the NHL with 88 hits, while Brian Boyle ranks second on the Rangers and 11th in the league with 84 hits.

The Rangers rank among the Eastern Conference leaders in several statistical categories…
– 3rd (6th in NHL) in GAA — 2.36
– 3rd in FO% — 51.4%
– 1st (2nd in NHL) in Fewest PIM/G — 10.8
– T-2nd (T-5th in NHL) in OT wins — 2
– 5th in +/- Rating — +4

– The Rangers did not surrender a power play opportunity against on Mar. 7 at Long Island, marking the first time the Blueshirts did not have a shorthanded situation in a game since Jan. 10, 2012, in a 2-1 shootout win vs. PHX. The last time the Rangers did not allow a power play attempt against the Islanders was Jan. 7, 1989, in a 5-1 win at Long Island.
– The Blueshirts have had 13 players make their regular season debut with the team this season
– The Rangers’ power play has tallied a goal in eight of the last 13 games (9-39, 23.1% over the span)
– The Blueshirts’ penalty kill is 43-48 (89.6%) in the last 16 games
– New York has registered a point in eight of 10 games when scoring the first goal this season (7-2-1), and are 6-8-1 when allowing the game’s first goal
– The Blueshirts have posted a 6-0-1 mark when leading after the first period, and are 7-0-0 when leading after the second period

– Henrik Lundqvist — has held opponents to two goals or less in 12 of his last 18 games (10-7-1, 2.04 GAA, .926 Sv% over the span)
– Rick Nash — has tallied a point in 10 of his last 11 games (seven goals, nine assists over the span)
– Derek Stepan — eight points (four goals, four assists) in the last seven games
– Ryan Callahan — eight points (five goals, three assists) in the last 10 games, including five points (three goals, two assists) in the last five contests
– Brad Richards — four points (two goals, two assists) in his last six games, including two goals in the last three contests
– Marian Gaborik — five points (one goal, four assists) in the last six games
– Carl Hagelin — 13 points (six goals, seven assists) in the last 15 games, including four assists in the last four contests
– Ryan McDonagh — 10 points (two goals, eight assists) in his last 15 games, including five assists in the last seven games
– Michael Del Zotto — three assists in the last six games

– Ryan Callahan — 3 assists from 100th NHL career
– Michael Del Zotto — 1 point from 100th NHL career
– Steve Eminger — 3 points from 100th NHL career
– Rick Nash — 2 goals from 300th NHL career; 5 games from 700th NHL career
– Brad Richards — 3 points from 800th NHL career
– Marc Staal — 3 points from 100th NHL career
– Anton Stralman — 3 points from 100th NHL career
– John Tortorella — 3 wins from 400th NHL career

– Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5/11) — 25
– Arron Asham (injured, 2/19) — 10
– Marc Staal (injured, 3/5) — 4
Total Man-Games Lost: 62

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  1. This game is gonna be a rough one, the Jets crowd is gonna be amped to host the Blueshirts. As far as the post game press conference goes with Torts and Sam.

    Sam’s tone always sounds like he is at a wake or a funeral when he asks Torts a question. I frankly feel as a Ranger fan, the way Torts treats the media is embarrassing and I frankly don’t want a jerk representing us and being the mouthpiece of my team.

  2. Tough building, a good road test. The Rangers better be hotter than Frank and Teresa’s wings at the Anchor Bar. I would hope they play like a team that was embarrassed, regardless of what Torts’ had to say Tuesday night.

  3. Take a look at the standings to notice the importance of tonight game. Playoff feel when the puck drops in that building.

  4. Cross Check Charlie on

    Let’s Go Rangers!

    As for Torts, I don’t mind him saying that they stunk because, well, they did. I don’t like the fact that he calls his players dummies in the media. That is uncalled for. He needs to learn a little tact. Maybe he should consult with Tom Coughlin on how to be strict without being a jerk. Coughlin has come a long way from his early days with the Giants and could teach Torts a thing or two about having respect for his players. Calling them a dummy in an interview is disrespectful.

  5. Mertonian Norm on

    If this sequence of games doesn’t get the majority of the team out of its glide, I’m not sure what will. Early in the game, I hope to see players stopping and starting hard, skating quickly to the bench, etc. If it’s a bunch of rink turns, we’ll know they’re still in a rut.

  6. I think Tort is doing just fine. I would prefer a few more wins, of course. But I don’t really care how he treats the media. I’m not so sure that the media cares either because every single time he acts like a jerk to them, they get a juicy story out of it.

  7. Why we care about how JT treats the media is beyond me. I wouldn’t give a rats a$$ so long as the team was busting their cajones on the ice. The personnel may not be there, the ‘chemistry’ isn’t together this year, the injury excuse is in play, the karma/voodoo/smoke and mirror thing is gone. We’ll see tonight who on the team has JT’s back.

  8. Morning Carp- I’m going to try to shave down on some needless annoying posts this morning..

    From the desk of Lloyd Braun:

    Carp, everything you’re going to say today will be wrong and uneducated. Just wanted you to know.

  9. for the most part I’ve been positive when talking about the rangers this year. After the last game, I’ve lost any good feel I had about this team and it appears this team will fight for the eight spot just like they have in the past years. Apparently last year was a mirage.

  10. I think Torts and Sam planned the confrontation between periods 2 & 3, a la Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan, in order to deflect attention from the Rangers’ poor play

  11. Tommy Im in agreement. I’ve been telling everyone I know that has worried that they shouldn’t worry bc the team is too good and they’ll be fine. But that doesn’t seem to be the case at this point. A handful of times there’s even a game where you think “well, maybe this is the turn around point” but it hasn’t happened and I don’t know if it will in the next month or two.

    Most nights They look more like the team from 2-3 years ago where no one could get it going at the same time while others just weren’t good enough.

  12. I think we have to stop comparing this team to last year because this team is not last years team. No more over achieving. We are under achieving right now. Huge difference in effort levels. Just different team makeup. Theoretically better makeup. But still different.

  13. last year, the equalizer on this stereo was positioned perfectly – the sound quality was as good as we could possibly get it, but in the end we realized that the stereo just wasn’t good enough to really blow our minds. So we went to Radio Shack and dropped $2,500 on a Mac Daddy sound system, the kind that Don Cheadle was selling in Boogie Nights. Problem is, no one taught us how to install the thing and set the equalizer just right. We’re playing it as loud as we know how, but the feedback and bass is killing us.

  14. Definitely see your point Manny but it’s not always the best teams that come out on top. Game to game and also when the Cup is raised..

  15. You know this team is in trouble when…

    Analogies to explain their bad play include the name Don Cheadle..

  16. last year was a mirage. every thing good happened to them. game winning goals late in games, avoided injuries, shootout wins, they overachieved. i will say this and i truly mean it if last year team had to play a pitt or boston prior to conf finals along the way there would have been no conf finals. the road through the playoffs last year playing ottawa and caps teams that fought them like crazy just for us to get to conf finals was as good as shot as we had and we blew it.

    this year team is the team we use to watching over the past 5 years. scratch and claw for everything.

    welcome to game 1 of a 23 game season tonight. that building will be off the wall tonight sensing where both teams are right now. can we handle it?

    evander kane= beast

  17. Fat Guy, who installed the Mac Daddy system? Was it Torts? Do we need a re-install? Who can set the equalizer right? Did we buy the right system? Maybe we can get Don Cheadie for the re-install.

  18. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – have you heard the Rangers are interested in Mike Ribeiro?

    Any truth to this?

  19. Sioux-per-man on

    Could be a good center to get Gabby going on the right side! Leading scorer of the Caps, where is he with his contract with Washington?

    A center that can score, hmmmm……… thoughts?

  20. Sioux-per-man on

    CT – Hamrlik might be an upgrade to Gilroy. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see him play against the Jets tonight.

  21. Tonights pre-game interview with Torts should be interesting. I’d like to see him offer an apology, but he won’t (hopefully he has behind the scenes).

    In regards to the game, Evander Kane is going to run a train on Girardi and the rest of the d-men. Our clowns lose by 4.

  22. Hard to read some of these posts…

    Rangers fans give up on the team and blame Torts…and go into hypothetical doomsday scenarios….

    …unfortunately it seems like the majority…

    Last year wasn’t a mirage…if it taught me anything…it’s that John Tortorella knows what he’s doing…

  23. Good morning, boneheads!

    Ribeiro is a $5M rental. Which center is he replacing?

    Happy 26th, mrs Wicky!

  24. the only thing that will disgust me tonight is if the Jets beat up on them and Joe and Sam talk about how “its a fight for 8th place and Winnipeg wants it more”….this whole “teams get up to play the Rangers” nonsense is stale. Rangers have to be the hungrier team..and not just for the next game or two i might add.

  25. Sioux-per-man on

    I’m thinking he moves in on Gaboriks line. Step Centers the 3rd. Boyle is moved to the 4th line Center/Wing, or a part of the trade deal.

    Not sure what prospect they throw in the deal, but he is going to go somewhere, because the Caps are going nowhere this season. Makes good hockey sense to get something for him.

  26. Wouldn’t go far as saying last year was a mirage but a lot of things did break their way both with the team and external ongoings (mostly the Pens injury issues).

    They had a few last second/OT wins that normally you probably won’t get (Calgary, Phoenix, last second OT winners vs Boston and Isles).

    They were relatively healthy outside of Sauer. Lundqvist having a career year probably earned them a few extra points here and there.

    For right now, if they win the games in hand they have on a few teams that are close to them in the standings the situation looks a lot better.

  27. SO Stepan who has been one of the only consistent contributors this season should get moved to third line….that makes sense. Let’s move Gaborik and Pyatt up to first line with Richards too.

  28. You don’t move your center who’s been playing like #1 to third. We need more grit in the lineup, not another soft center who is slumping this year. Mike Ribeiro won’t make any difference if Richards/Nash/Gaborik do not produce.

  29. Let’s move Gaborik and Pyatt up to first line with Richards too.


    This was unfortunately tried already.

  30. I’m a huge Ribeiro fan (mostly due to the fact that he’s one of the few Portuguese guys in the league along with Tavares), but he would get ripped apart by Torts. If you think Gaborik floats, you’d hate Ribeiro. He gets his points/goals, but he’s a finesse guy who can seem like he’s floating at times and takes bad penalties at bad times.

    He won’t help this team either.

  31. Sioux-per-man on

    Ribeiro has Richards almost doubled up with 28 pts vs 15 pts. He could center any of the 3 lines in NY.

    But with Gaborik more productive on the right side, and Ribeiro is a lefty, he would be able to feed Gaborik off his forehand. Seems like a good fit, don’t you think.

    Who do they trade? Dump Boyle Contract, and a prospect – maybe Thomas / or a draft.

    He would be an upgrade at Center points wise over every center we have here.

  32. Sioux-per-man on

    Fella’s I’m not saying Step is a 3rd Center, or Richards is a 1’st. I’m saying Ribeiro makes are Center position stronger from a points producing point of view.

    Miller has 4 points, Boyle has 2. Ribeiro has 28. We all know how Torts like to shuffle lines. I’m just saying with Gabby slumping, Ribeiro might work as his center.

    We need a stronger, piont producing, 3rd line – if this team is going to win the cup. Period.

    As a rental, this is a player I believe would help this team THIS year.

  33. Don’t think Boyle gets you back a point per game center. Rangers don’t have a 1st rounder this year and holding onto cap friendly players is essential given how the Rangers cap situation looks going forward.

    If I’m the Caps the conversation starts at NHL or near NHL ready prospects (if not productive guys off the NHL roster on cap friendly deals like Stepan or Hagelin).

  34. Sioux-per-man on

    So a buddy just calls and ask if I want to jump in and go to the game tonight!!!

    It’s about a 3 hour drive :)

    How does one cram in 2 days of work in 3 hours. Grrrrrrrrr

  35. Sioux-per-man on

    Ribeiro would be #1 in points on the Ranger team right now. And tied with Nash in goals……just saying.

  36. Sioux-per-man on

    Thomas is a good prospect, a pick in this year or next years draft, and a Boyle/Pyatt type player. Who know what the others have to offer.

    Depends what the other teams offer ……. it’s just for this season. They can always sign him back in the off season.

  37. Rob in Beantown on

    Who are the Caps going to want for Ribeiro though? For some reason I don’t think they’re going to take our table scraps.

  38. Hell no Ribeiro…would love Ward,Chimera,Hendrix if the Caps are selling. Ribeiro is NOT a Torts kinda guy

  39. Sioux that fact is an even bigger problem in regards to this team. I just don’t feel that’s a realistic way of determining Ribeiro would help. Especially since he would cost them more players they shouldn’t part with. Because let’s face it- they arent acquiring him for a package of spare parts

  40. Sioux-per-man on

    CT – you think another team will offer a 1’st round pick for a 33 year old rental. I don’t think so.

    But a 2nd round pick, if it helps a contending team, YES. Rangers are a perfect fit for this deal.

    Sather isn’t giving anything like Hags, Miller, or Step for a 1/2 year rental. Nor should he.

    My question – what makes this a win/win trade for both teams?

  41. I can see an upgrade at 3rd line center before the deadline but honestly they need to avoid big moves for now and reassess in the off season. Everyone here should know by now there is no such thing as a quick fix. They are only going to go as far as they’re going to go this year whether it’s with Boyle and Halpern or Chimera and Cullen. Unless Gaborik and Richards make a miraculous turn around and play like the did last year at mid season and they get steady improved efforts from the role guys they have nothing is going to change over the next 20+ games

  42. Dom Moore got traded for 2nd round picks a couple of times.

    Paul Gaustad went for a 1st rounder last year.

    Ribeiro is a lot more productive than either of those guys, so yes a desperate team will cough up a lot for a point per game player.

  43. *Sally* March 14th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Manny, you know what would make this team better? If it were last year’s team.


    Simple but genius.

  44. Sioux-per-man on

    I agree James. But for a 33 year old Center, as a rental. 2nd rounder pick in this draft makes Washington better in the future, maybe a Thomas type player that could get ice time sooner in Washington than he will as a Ranger, and a Boyle that has a year left on his contract for next year. I could see Boyle or Pyatt playing for the Caps next year if they were a part of this deal.

  45. Rebeiro is as soft as they come. No thanks. I don’t want that whiny, diver on our squad.

  46. The Caps have bigger problems than Ribeiro. Why would they waive him or trade him (especially to us) ?

  47. Ward + Chimera + Hendricks = 28 points
    Ribeiro = 28 points

    For a team like the Rangers that struggles to produce consistent offense I know which player I’d want to target given a reasonable cost.

  48. Also, Ribeiro, who sucks, has a $5M cap hit and a NTC.

    And stop comparing his point totals to point totals on the Rangers. Completely different systems. You know if he were on this team he would have 1/3rd of the points he currently has.

  49. Guess the player:

    March 4, 2009: Traded to Calgary by Phoenix with Phoenix’s 3rd round choice (later traded to Florida – Florida selected Josh Birkholz) in 2009 Entry Draft for Matthew Lombardi, Brandon Prust and Calgary’s 1st round choice (Brandon Gormley) in 2010 Entry Draft, March 4, 2009.

    *At the time of the trade that player had 42 points in 57 games.

  50. Ribiero is a whiner that has cost his team numerous this year. He has been called for numerous unsportsmanlike conduct penalties for complaining to refs. No thank you.

  51. Vibin’ Lev. To the max. There is nothing that would make me angrier than getting that idiot on this team.

  52. Also, CT. I believe you are referring to one Ranger Killer, Mr. Olli Jokinen. Even killed us from within.

  53. But that’s just it, Sioux. a 33 year old center for picks that make Washington better in the future. What about OUR team’s future? What will it look like with less early round draft picks a 32 year old center making 6 million dollars and a 33 year old rental that will either walk after April or resign with us for a big chunk of money that will leave less cap flexibility and make them older and softer?

  54. Sioux-per-man on

    James – no doubt Gaborik had to get going. Maybe Ribiero with 19 assist already this season, more than any Ranger player, is the spark that’s needed.

    I’m sure Sather is just kicking the tires on this player that EJ Hradek threw out there this morning.

    But it does make sense! Don’t you think?

  55. He looks like the type of guy you’d just want to punch in the face. No specific reason needed.

  56. Elevator Operator on

    Memo to Boneheads:

    Elevator C in Bank 3 has been reserved between the hours of 7:30 – 11:00 PM and will provide for direct access to the ledge floor, if necessary.

  57. Good idea, Lev. I am going to print that picture out and punch it in the face a few times.

  58. I don’t think it makes sense, Sioux. The only player that’s going to get Gaborik going is Gaborik. He isn’t playing this way because his center men have failed to set him up. He’s played with Stepan for a couple of years now and I don’t see Step struggling to set Gaby up. What I see is Gaby with poor positioning, bad judgement, less foot movement and not taking shots on goal/getting his shots off fast enough. Richards was on fire last season as far as assists and making plays and he and Gaborik failed to have any sort of chemistry until like February or March of last season.

  59. Sioux-per-man on

    Think of ’94 …. we traded a Big Part of our future, to win the cup THAT year.

    Rangers are that close (on paper) this year. Yes Gaborik and Richards have to produce more.

    Alot of our youth and top prospects are playing Pro hockey already.

    Giving up a 2’nd rounder, to help WIN this year, would be worth the value of a pick this year.

  60. If we win the cup with Ribeiro on our team I will reject the cup. It won’t count. He’s that bad.

  61. I can already see tomorrow’s news coverage of tonight’s game:

    *Strangely enough, at 4:40 of the first, Torts and Sam Rosen were given match penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct and scratching each other’s eyes out.*

  62. Sioux-per-man on

    I agree James. But Ribeiro scoring will help the 3rd line stronger just by being a part of this team.

    Put Miller-Ribeiro-Callahan as a 3rd line. Or Stepan as the Center if Rib moves up.

    We need a stronger scoring from the 3rd line.

  63. Sioux-per-man on

    I don’t know if he’s that bad, he’s had 83,78,71,66 point seasons. More than our Centers in the past years.

    Honestly, I haven’t watched him that much. Who watches the Stars play since they won the Stanley Cup? No one.

    I don’t know. Something tells me this could happen.

    Carp – any thoughts on this?

  64. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    We are not seriously thinking about Riberio are we? A lot of dollars and where does he play? Move step down? Have richards and his salary as the 3rd line checking centre? I mean most of us thought dubi’s salary for a 3rd liner was bad…sheesh!

    I guess we are buying out richards right now then? You guys think he will produce points at the same pace in our system with our player that he will in washington with those players and that system? NO WAY!!

    hendricks from wahington would make sense, even laich (if healthy), and that is about it from the caps.

    Mrs Wicky says Thanks and XOXO

  65. Ribiero, the little weasil, w/o provocation, punched MDZ in the chin/chest area on Saturday. I don’t want him on my team……………………

    Or do I?

  66. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    How many times does it need to be said, Gabby doesn’t need a stud centre, he has never had one and done quite well.

    Did you guys see on woywitka —> that gabby provided the rangers a list of 8 teams?

  67. Sioux. I know, numbers wise he doesn’t “suck”. But he sucks. The guy is an awful person, hated by everyone in the NHL. He also makes $5M. Which is pretty much all of our cap space at the deadline. Also, he has a NTC so even if Washington wanted to move him, and I don’t know why they would move their top scorer who is a UFA at the end of the season, he will be a hassle to trade for.

    Also, he dives all over the ice, gets penalties for arguing with officials and just wouldn’t fit with the system or the team.

    We need to get TOUGHER, not sign one of the weakest men in the NHL not named Tyler Ennis.

  68. But Ribeiro will cost a lot more than 2nd rounder.

    There’s always more buyers than sellers at the deadline. Figure any team within 4 or so points of the 8th spot considers themselves in contention. Right now that’s 11th place in the East and 13th in the West. So there’s realistically 6 teams in the league that are probably going to sell any valuable impending UFAs. Of that group Ribeiro might be the most productive forward. Even if half the contending teams pass on the asking price that’s still 12 teams potentially vying for one guy. He’ll go for a lot more than 2nd rounder and I don’t want the Rangers paying that price.

  69. @HawkCrawford@: Marek Hrivik on ice for CTWhale today, after main practice. #bleedgreen


    That’s good news. There’s our 4th line help

  70. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    If we use our 2nd round pick on someone, their last name better be morrow, clowe and murray, iginla, franzen, kronwall, or perry

  71. Wicky, apparently, he does each season at the beginning of the year. list was delivered prior to the start of the year.

  72. ribiero would cost too much and his cap hit of 5 mil too much. other teams will pony up more

  73. Sioux-per-man on

    Caps just picked up a Fighting Sioux Defenseman in Chay Genoway, I wonder if they are in the works trading any of thier Defensemen?

    Anyone on that D that would help the Rangers?

  74. Christ Torts move Gabby back to Right Wing already. He scored 41 goals last year and you decide to move him to the left side. And here’s a notion: he plays better with Richards.

  75. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    happy birthday Mickey
    I hope you get all the Rick Nash stuff possible ;)

  76. I really hope Hrivik gets himself in game shape soon. That guy could be a big lift to our 4th line.

  77. Sioux-per-man on

    The Jets are going to be up for this game. They are tied with the Rangers for the 8th spot. They play in front of the Loudest fans in the league, and they beat the Rangers at MSG.

    Are the Rangers going to win on the road tonight? After what happened in Buffalo?

  78. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    Erskine is big and tough and rumour has it, he has a big shot

  79. Sioux-per-man on

    Manny – do you think the rusty Hamr gets a game tonight?

    I’m thinking Gilly gets pined tonight, after belly flopping in Buffalo.

  80. Gilroy better be a scratch tonight. I don’t know what the plan with Hamrlik was. Isn’t he on some conditioning thing and not playing until he’s up to snuff? I will take an out of shape Hamrlik over Gilroy. I will take Bickel over Gilroy.

  81. last time the rangers played the jets they were without nash, mcdonaugh and delzotto and they lost by a goal. One would think that the rangers would win tonight but I’ve lost and confidence I had in this team. Unless sather improves this team this year this team will be fighting for the eight spot.

  82. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – Are you a fan of the realignment?

    What do you think the names of each division will be? Do we bring back the old names?

  83. all is good, sniper asham is back. sniper asham will team up with other offense phenoms such as; halpern, powe, boyle, pyatt, bickell, and others.

    how can they go wrong. also you have game changer maryanne gaborik there also. the guy has points in 5 games out of 25, i read. if true that is astounding and shows he is MIA in many games. because defensivley and physically he always is MIA if he cannot score he does nothing for the team…

  84. Sioux-per-man on

    Tommy – that’s right I forgot about our players that were out that game.

    Again, it’s the teams that we “should” beat, that come up at steal points from us. Let’s hope that doesn’t happen again tonight. A win in Winniepeg & Pittsburgh would make up for the loss in Buffalo :)

  85. Rob in Beantown on

    The realignment is awful. Detroit is in the Eastern Conference now? The Florida teams are in the Northeast division? The Eastern divisions have an extra team each? Sheesh

  86. Is the NHL the only league where Detroit and Chicago will not be in the same division?

  87. Every once in a while, Mama Bear rearranges the furniture. I’m usually not a fan of the outcome, but I do eventually get used to it.

  88. To Ribiero not being a Torts kind of guy, that strikes me as building a team around Tortorella rather than, say, Nash, McDonagh, Stepan, Miller, Del Zotto… pick your own favorite core. When you’re Bill Belichick, OK, you get to have a team built around you. Tortorella needs to adjust to his team, not the other way around.

    This benching business with Gaborik, for instance, is insane, though it seems to convince many here that it’s Gaborik, who has proven himself many times over, who is the problem rather than his deployment. He’s not playing his best right now, true, but how soon we forget the guy who in one overtime batted in a mid-air winner against a better team, and in another put his head down and fired a 5 on 3 winner through a crowd against a worse team. How is Gaborik the big problem here?

  89. i watch the games on the Center Ice package and do not have access to the post-game press conferences. What exactly did Torts do to Rosen? just curious as it seems to have received a lot of traction….to the point that Torts has now apologized to him.

  90. gaborik does not score enoguh that is the problem with him…

    the guy has points in 5 games out of 25….

    that is a problem…

  91. Sioux, how can you even make reference to trading away future for a Cup now? did you see the decade that followed after they did that? Not only did they trade away so much of their future in 94 but Smith batted clean up in 96 and gave away Nordstrom just for good measure. We’re way past that. They’re at the point where they sort of put a few cards in the wrong pile and now they have to be careful what they do from here. And to think that Ribiero or any other 30 something with a fat contract could come in and take them on a run for the Cup is inaccurate. There are too many other issues- the kind that can be addressed with youth like Thomas and Krieder over the next couple years.

  92. Rob in Beantown on

    There was an article on SNY about Gaborik giving a list, but he does that every season *before the s eason* as part of his contract. It’s non-news

  93. Jets are another big tough team who will pressure the ranger’s finesse D.

    The key to playing teams like this,the Bruins etc. to score early.
    They are on the cusp of a playoff spot at the moment, but having observed this unbalanced roster for half the season does anyone really believe they can go far if they do make the playoffs?

    Gaborik is a mystery which is probably more chemistry than talent and Richards is an enormously overpaid and over rated forward. Gaby is the more tradeable for a young,large D with some mean and a forward of the same dimensions.

  94. and why doesn’t Gabby score this year? Because Torts moved him to left wing and took away his center

  95. As repeated here and elsewhere ” the problem is not with our coaches,it’s in the rosters dealt him by the incompetent GM and staff”!

    They could dig up Toe Blake or bring Scotty Bowman in and you still can’t make chicken salad out of chicken s**t!

  96. Going to be interesting dealing with Detroit on the regular. Aside from that and the Eastern Playoff spot they’ll be a shoe in for, I don’t really care about the realignment saga much..

  97. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    LMAO CT…brilliant!!

    Thanks NYR (from the mrs)

  98. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    like your trade idea…long as somewhere along the way we add a consistent 30 goal guy to replace the erratic 40 goal guy we are losing in the deal

  99. Sam Rosen got a two minute penalty for heavy sniffing but an extra five for unsportsmanlike schnorring

  100. On the plus side guys, we probably won’t have to play the Senators in the first round, should we make the playoffs.

  101. even take it one step further with the new realignment the jackets will be in the rangers division. I can see it now. In several years Nash will wish he stayed with the jackets because they will be young and good. This stuff only happens to teams I root for, unbelievable.

  102. Nasal Nosen is a shill who should be confined to radio
    where fans do not have to suffer the tele indignities of viewing his moving hairpiece and a schnozzola that appears to be searching for and ant mound!

    He is a total suckup who practically had an orgasm whebever JD mouthed another of his own pious platitudes!

  103. Remember that time that we didn’t pursue Ilya Kovalchuk? Too bad. He has 4 Shorties this season. That’s more than most teams.

  104. Sather never gets his free agent signings right. That’s an area where he fails miserably.

  105. Wait. There is a wild card in the new playoff system? Where is George W. Bush when you need him!?

  106. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    So judging from re alignment, you put a franchise in QC and put it in division C and move Detroit back to the west in Division B, then add a franchise in Seattle and put it in division A.

    You then have 4-8 team divisions and balance.

  107. Wild Card: Another feeble attempt by Bettman to get teams he think will be desirable into the playoffs. Give him 10 years and he’ll be drawing names of teams out of a hat to see who qualifies for the playoffs and who their opponents are.
    “Oh look! Pittsburgh and Philadelphia in the first round yet again! that’s 3 years in a row!”

  108. 5 out of 7 wins is a good response to adversity, even if they were against the 2nd division, and firing Tortorella would be nuts, but the Sabres game was a give-away that an elite team does not donate. If they close well, all these concerns go away, of course, so no panic necessary. But it’s a short season and Tortorella strikes me as a system guy who needs pre-season more than the average coach, especially with a new cast of characters.

    It’s fun to imagine him put in a position like MacLean’s, with half the team out of action. Would he be able make the adjustments to keep that team going as hard as they go for MacLean? Would he be down, as MacLean was and is, with Daugavins risk-taking, for example? Impossibe to say, but he does not have this Rangers team going hard right now. They should be flying tonight in an 8-9 game. Will they, this group, with the coach calling them out as he does? Callahan, sure, but others? Hope so. Tortorella needs to find the right button, and soon.

  109. If Torts I’d 5’5″ as someone said yesterday, he must be standing on Zucc’s shoulders during post game pressors.

  110. That guy is easily the funniest guy ever in the category of “funny fans that detract from the game.” The MLB ump kids behind home were funny. Green man had its day. This guy is HYSTERICAL.

  111. Torts to Sam: ” excuse me, is that your nose or did someone park a backhoe on your face?”

  112. Again, with all the talk about Tortorella this year I have yet to see ANYONE bring up a name of another coaching candidate who would be an upgrade. So maybe everyone needs to just find SOMEthing and SOMEone to complain about????

  113. Okay, Torts, Bettman and Mayor Bloomberg. You have to marry one, kill one and be surgically stitched to one at the hip for the rest of your life…annnnnnnnnd go.

  114. I think that’s the idea, James. SOMEone to blame. Like Queen said, “Can anybody find me…..Somebody to Love?”

  115. nnsnse, that’s two borderline language calls in two days. strike three and you’re out. OK?

    maybe they allow that on a Fishsticks blog?

  116. even if Sather does make moves, 5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 are all going to be one big dogpile, tommyG.

    and nobody could ever survive an NHL playoff grind from the eight-seed, right?

  117. Sioux, I hate the realignment plan. but I did hear that the Rangers’ division will still be called Atlantic, FWIW, which is not much.

  118. That will give him more time to prepare for coaching the 2014 US Olympic team featuring -Ryan McDonagh- Tom Poti!

  119. Manny – I am sure what you meant to say and then strikethrough was actually -Future Hall of Famer Ryan McDonagh-

  120. The big question in Philly, for me, is what do they do with Bryzgalov? Maybe they trade him and then get him back like Boucher? That worked out well. I’m sure Pierre McGuire can’t wait for Boucher to come back up to the NHL so he can talk about his time playing for the Adirondack Phantoms (AHL) or Trenton Titans (ECHL) or whatever minor league affiliate he was playing for. They have Leighton up, right?

    But seriously, Bryzgalov said last night was a must win. Then gave up a handful. He basically said their season is over if they don’t win their next game at home. Not a great idea.

    ‘Peg Jets fans were chanting “CROSBY’S BETTER!” at Ovechkin. Which rules.

  121. Misalignment…

    Laviolette looked last night like he’s been trying Dulcolax for 2 weeks without any success.

  122. czechthemout!!! on

    And do it begins. Gabby’s agent says that Marion won’t ask fora trade becsuse he is a team guy. That means he would clearly welcome a trade so there may be something brewing their.

    For me, tonight is a very big game. It will go a long way to determin if in fact Torts is losing the team I for one believe that he is. If they come out flat and get run over by the Jets, than Sather needs to make a cjange quickly to save the season. If they play well and win or lose but play well than I believe he still has the team and a trade if Gabby maybe in order. So will see.

  123. Carp,
    If the rangers do make the playoffs, the makeup of this team as it stands today is to soft. They won’t go far, they still struggle to score goals and the rangers are not gritty enough IMO.

  124. Who now runs the X’s and O’s for Philly? They look like they just buzz all over the ice in all three zones, without any real disciplined positioning or assignments…I guess it helps during desperate goal mouth scrambles, but it’s can’t be a purposeful, intentional strategy in a league where they are now outmanned

  125. Flyers said they needed to be desperate yesterday. And they were. But they forgot to play defense and basically were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. They have played most games in the league already and are pretty far behind. Almost no chance they make the playoffs. I wonder if they will blow it up. They have quite a few issues. Briere, Bryzgalov, Hartnell not playing well, Giroux nowhere near as good as last year, Couturier in a big sophomore slump. Their two guys who have not been disappointments are Voracek and Simmonds.

  126. Rob in Beantown on

    If John Tortorella is fired tomorrow who exactly are the Rangers going to hire that’s an upgrade?

  127. You saw that play last night where Simmonds backhand flipped the puck deep into the Dev’s zome knowing that in the next gear, he was the only one who could get there? Guy’s a demon

  128. Yea, Lev. Remember when Giroux was the best player in the NHL for ten days. While Crosby was out. Then he got a HUGE contract and sunk back to reality.

    Simmonds RULES.

  129. Would it be poor taste to go to the next Rangers Flyers game at MSG wearing a Simmonds Rangers jersey? Can fans be accused of tampering?

  130. I don’t disagree, tommy, but I don’t think Ottawa and Washington were particularly gritty last spring, and they made some early noise. Still think it’s enough of a crapshoot of “get in” and you have a chance.

  131. I’m not sure that the Rangers are shopping Gabby as much as listening to interested teams…

  132. czechthemout!!! on

    Semantics NyrfAN

    If they let it be known they are shopping him, they get a lot less for him. See Nash.

    This Gross report couplef with his agents comments tell me he is being shopped. We will see what happens.

  133. Carp – You don;t think Ottawa and Wash played gritty against us? I remember drooling (in a manly way) over Neil and Chimera for weeks…

  134. The thing Czech was talking about was on Twitter, Carp. It means some reporter called Gabby’s agent to fish around for information. Meaning the hoopla was created by speculation from outside the organization. I think it’s kind of snowballing.

    Trading Gaborik is a very scary proposal because you need a heck of a return to make it worthwhile. I will believe it when I see it.

  135. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – at least all of the Atlantic teams remain, and we get to see the Rangers JV more with Columbus coming to town more often.

    Rangers should be a top 3 team in that division for a long time. And more games against Detroit will be good from a fans perspective. Tough team to beat in the playoffs however.

  136. czechthemout!!! on

    Bergen record. It was linked on a giants web sight called big blueinteractive.

  137. Gross’s “report” was his surmising that Gaborik and the Rangers will be parting ways either at the trade deadline, in the off-season, or after his contract expires.

  138. Yeah, and the Ducks are “shopping” Corey Perry.

    I think I’m going to go “shopping”.

  139. would a haul of Ulf Dahlén, a draft pick and future considerations be enough of a carrot to trade Gabby? Because that’s all it took for us to get Gartner

  140. … and I’m not saying they’re not shopping him or that they wouldn’t trade him. I’m just saying that a “report” that they are shopping him does not exist at this point.

  141. Ottawa forechecked more than Wash. I thought grit was fairly even in Ottawa, we had more grit than Washington, Devils out-gritted us.

  142. FWIW – Hags has to carry puck coming into zone. Too many times he plays fetch with himself and tosses the puck behind net.

    Need to look to get Nash the puck and stop playing with yourself.

  143. czechthemout!!! on

    You guys can be skeptical if you like but this how the Nash stuff startef last season.

  144. I know…I also think we ripped off Minny, so my point is that it’d take an awful lot in return to make it worthwhile to trade Yo Gabba Gabba

  145. not being skeptical. I’m sure they would trade him for the right value. They are not doing their jobs if they don’t investigate all avenues. I am just saying there is no “report” that they are shopping him.

  146. Hey NYR, while you’re out shopping can you pick me up a Corey Perry, two Bieksas and a Sedin? Thanks.

  147. I was hoping for Kevin Bieksa’s. If we have to give up Hamrlik and Gilroy I _guess_ I can be OK with that. I mean, while NYR is out west picking up that Corey Perry he might be able to swing north and grab the other few things from Vancouver.

    If we do trade for Perry you can be sure that the fans will go crazy because he’s suspended for 4 games.

  148. Forget about Perry. I read on tsn that the ducks will not trade him and they will keep him for the rest of the season.

  149. Considering that the current relationship appears to have largely deteriorated between player and coach, IMO , it would be prudent for Slats to both “listen & shop” Gabby.

  150. czechthemout!!! on

    Call it whatever you like Carp. Maybe he is not speculating. Maybe he knows something but cannot overtly report it? But he seems like a credible guy who would be like s that clown Garroch from Ottawa. I take what he says seriously as I would if you had reported it Carp.

  151. Sioux-per-man on

    Looking at the new Realignment, the West should be open for 2 more teams. Seattle and Kansas City markets have always been some what in play.

    Carp – do you see more teams coming into the picture down the road?

  152. Rob in Beantown on

    _Gross’s “report” was his surmising that Gaborik and the Rangers will be parting ways either at the trade deadline, in the off-season, or after his contract expires._

    Those are exactly 3 of the 4 possible things that can happen. I don’t get why this is big news all of a sudden

  153. Proposed actors, 2013 Ranger Movie:

    Torts: Al Pacino
    Sam Rosen: Jon Lovitz
    Haley: Charlie Sheen
    Pyatt: Lurch
    Henrik: Daniel Day Lewis
    Nash: Randy Quaid
    Richards: Gary Busey
    Hags: Owen Wilson
    Boyle: Fred Gwynne
    Miller: Matt Damon
    Ash: Either Hanson Brother (see his straggly hair and glasses pix at Beacon Theater Player’s Forum Event

  154. realigment sucks. the rangers will never get past the pens to get to a conf finals again

    very much like t

  155. I’d like to see what kind of “right value package” they are getting for Gaborik.

  156. Sioux-per-man on

    Gaborik isn’t going anywhere!!!

    Where would he go, and who would Sather trade for that would have more upside than Gabby.

  157. very much like the old patrick div days the rangers wont get out of the division.

    the current setup now was there past chance not the new system for the next 3 years

  158. czechthemout!!! on

    Who would they get for Gabby? Simple. If you listen to Torts, says the they need help in the middle of the lineup, ie third line. So expect a trade of Gabby to a contending team in the Western conference for a couple third line wall players ( torts favorite players ) and a late first round pick next year.

  159. Trading Goborik now would be a move made by a team that’s out of playoffs, without any reasonable chance to contend over the next few years, and is trying to rebuild. Unless, in return, you get two stud young players who can produce right away at 20+ goals, or one forward and one stud D-man. Neither is realistic.

  160. Maybe the rangers should just fold. If they aren’t getting to the ecf ever again that is.

  161. TSA announced that it’s now legal to come onto Carp’s blog with a knife over 4 inches

  162. So Miller’s no longer a teenager today.

    As one of my nephew’s genius friends told him when he turned from 19 to 20, “hey, you’re in double-digits now.”

  163. Rob – because the team lost last night and people here want change to the team immediately.

    And I love how NOW people are asking for Sather to be fired again. When he first got Nash, everyone was like “WOOOOOOOO, WE GOT NASH!!! SLATS DOES IT AGAIN!!! STANLEY CUP!!!”

    Now that the team has lost ONE game, people want him fired because “he added bad players and this roster is horrible”.

    Either you liked the Nash trade, which forced them to let go their quality depth, or you didn’t like the Nash trade and this is an “I told you so!” moment for you. Either way, you can’t like the Nash trade and then complain about the depth that Slats got in regards to his FA signings to fill the roll that Nash’s cap hit is eating.

  164. Sioux-per-man on

    Edmonton has ALOT of prospects, a high pick, but I doubt Gaborik would go out west, unless it would be the Kings or Ducks, maybe San Jose.

    Carp – any thoughts on Gaborik, and possibly being moved. With only 1 year left in his contract, I guess it is possible.

  165. Sioux – Why the hell would Edmonton trade us a high pick and one of their top prospects for an inconsistent winger with a huge cap hit that we are trying to get rid of? I like your enthusiasm and the fact you do throw out some ideas, but you have to remember that we can’t just get rid of our crap for other teams gold.

    This isn’t the 70s when GMs would make deals drunk haha

  166. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I like that trade as long as we got iggy somehow to make up the goal differential ;)

  167. Edmonton is rebuilding. They don’t want Gaborik to replace some of their 13 and 14 year old phenoms they have amassed by drafting high and finishing last year after year.

    Gaborik for Perry would be completely acceptable.

  168. Anybody would move Gaby for Perry, but the Ducks would be complete idiots if they did that.

    Howson isn’t running any teams anymore. The only idiot GM still out there is Feaster and there is nobody on Calgary that I’d want to touch with a 10 foot pole except Giordano, and defense isn’t exactly a need on this team.

  169. again, forget Perry, read on tsn today that the ducks have no intentions of trading Perry.

  170. Sioux-per-man on

    Jonny – mostly wishful thinking. Just a thought from a team out of the playoffs, out west, that have something that the Rangers would trade with. Edmonton has alot of Prospect to deal from, and they need a Star player to go with all their youth. You never know.

    Gaborik has a no trade clause so he controls where he would go. His agent will be in Winnipeg tonight, perhaps that discussion will come up. I’m thinking “IF” he gets traded this year it would be to the Ducks, Kings, San Jose in that order. He would want to go to a team that can contend for the cup. I don’t see his salary getting resigned after next year, so I can see the Rangers trying to dealing him at his “highest” value.

  171. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Would anyone trade our Staal to the canes for the good ruutu and Gleason?

  172. Carp March 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    Laviolette’s going to be available soon :)

    lol Another well placed “zinger” Sir Carp.

  173. Not trading him for No Gaborik, Sioux. He’s not Gomez.

    I still think if this team is going to be serious, it needs Richards and Gaborik playing up to their levels.

    I don’t think either one is replaceable by trading either. Does that make sense?

    In other words, you’re not getting a top-six forward for either of them, so you’d be ripping a bigger hole in the lineup. Might as well run up the white flag then.

  174. I love how Gaborik rotates between 40 goal seasons and trade speculation. I’ll say this much.

    I’ll say this much. If there was concern over one of the alleged top forwards on this team and a debate on whether to part ways with them i’d say it’d have to be Richards before Gaborik.

  175. just let the gabby contract run out after next year. very unlikely he gets moved. the only savior is malkin. maybe we hit the lotto and he signs with us. (not a chance) we can pray

  176. I agree carp, it is what it is. Hope that Richards and Gaborik start playing well, ride them out and after next year, Gaborik walks and you buyout Richards.

  177. my problem with gabby is his non chalant look on the ice. never seems pissed off. and is so predictable with 1. his soft wrister he takes on odd man rush. how bout wind up and fire the damn puck and 2. his shootouts are so easy for a goalie(goes 5 mph tops)

  178. Richards has been far worse than Gaborik overall this year, and his contract is 10 times more toxic to the future.

  179. i will steal a page from brysgalov we lose tonight and saturday and to the devils on tuesday we are DONE

  180. Me at 11:17AM: Unless Gaborik and Richards make a miraculous turn around and play like the did last year at mid season and they get steady improved efforts from the role guys they have nothing is going to change over the next 20+ games

    Carp at 3:28PM: I still think if this team is going to be serious, it needs Richards and Gaborik playing up to their levels.

    Great minds I tell ya…

  181. Sioux-per-man on

    Hopefully Torts is pushing the right buttons on Gaborik to send a message, and get him going.

    Just imagine Nash & Gaborik at the top of their game, on two different lines, scoring nightly, and again on the power play.

    Is this just a dream. . . . .

  182. Carp- more toxic and even if you debate about one of them having a bounce back year next season you’re talking about having a 40+ goal sniper return to form or a 20 goal/60 point smallish center return to form..You tell me which is worth hanging on to and paying 5-6 million for..

  183. So, Tortellini apologized to Sam, pretty much acknowledging that he’s a ****. When will he do the same with Gaborik? This is rediculous. Richards sucks, but coach has a boner for him so he gets a free pass. It’s getting old.

  184. Sioux-per-man on

    Eric – I would say Gaborik has one of the most leathal and accurate wrist shots in the league. Why he isn’t getting the open shots, or the break away goals like he did last year is the question?????

  185. So are rants about non issues from the mouths of people who want to just go off on the players/coaches they dislike

  186. Sioux two years ago people tried to say that Gaby’s wrist was toasted and his shot was gone and would be for the rest of his career. “damaged goods”….then he comes back last season and scores 40.

    I have no clue what the issue is but you have to figure that between his shoulder surgery, starting without a legit camp, trying to adjust to LW and the psychological nonsense that players put themselves through, his issues are solvable ones.
    Again- if the season started in October and he came back like this in November bc of surgery people would bring it up more that maybe he isnt 100%

  187. James

    Gabby a non-issue? Right, his trade rumors/articles are just lighting up the interwebs like an X-Mas tree. Good call. You sounded cool and derisive, though.

  188. This realignment plan is making me thirsty. Love how two teams only four hours away by car are in different divisions. And wild cards give me a headache.

  189. Sioux-per-man on

    Gaborik has been one of my favorite players for many years. I’m willing to cut him more slack than most, we just need more “Boston” & “Islander” games out of him. They will come, and so will his goals, perhaps we will see one tonight!

    Besides I already have 2 Gaborik Jersey’s, I don’t need another one :)

  190. 2Leetch2-is it possible that he acknowledged that he was wrong instead of acknowledging that he was whatever you called him?

  191. *Carp* March 14th, 2013 at 3:33 pm

    Richards has been far worse than Gaborik overall this year, and his contract is 10 times more toxic to the future.


    Yup. Spot on.

  192. Duke and Gonzaga have to get by Iona if they think they’re going anywhere this year.

  193. By 2016-17 season the West will have 8 teams in both divisions. Realignment is just a step int that direction.

  194. Which also means that John Scott might become the fastest skater *AND* the leading scorer on of those new teams.

  195. bull dog line on

    the Rangers are going to trade Gabby, and Boyle at some point before next season starts. whether thats during this season, or in the off season, I think it is rather obvious. Gabby will leave once his contract is up, needs to get away from Torts. Boyle has 1 year left on contract. the Rangers are not going to pay him when his contract is up. neither will be in opening night line up next year.

  196. I don’t think it’s that obvious, bull dog. In fact, I think they may have a plan to go all in next year before buying Richards out. And Gaborik will be a big part of that plan. Unless, of course they get something tremendous in return. Or unless they sign Perry in off-season. I do not see either being realistic.

  197. smart move by Tortorella if he actually did apologize to Rosen. shouldn’t have acted that way in the first place but a classy move if he admitted he was wrong.

    re: realignment, I like it overall but don’t really understand why the top 4 teams from each division couldn’t have qualified and then have 1v4 and 2v3. why the added complexity of wildcards? if the purpose was to strengthen division games, why throw in a couple of first round series that aren’t division series?

  198. bull dog line on

    Gabby is not happy playing for Torts, and Torts does not seem enthralled with Gabby. if they let him play out his contract, he will be gone for nothing. a lost asset.

  199. Maybe if they thought Kreider could replace a significant amount of Gaborik’s production I think it would be a possibility, but given how Kreider proved he wasn’t quite ready for prime time they’re going to need all the weapons they can get if they think they can contend.

  200. Sioux-per-man on

    Trade talks for the next 3 weeks. It’s always interesting who is the winner/loser each year, and what players made the difference. Carter to the Kings last year, and they win the whole thing.

    Kings make the playoffs as the 8th seed and dominate every team they played.

    Who makes that type of difference for the Rangers?

  201. Gabby and Torts sounds like the name of a new Lifetime private eye show based in South Florida…like a softer Cinemax

  202. bull dog, I believe Torts-Gaborik relationship is blown out of proportions…Torts had his much more obvious run-ins with different star players before. How many of them got traded?

  203. guess you have to weigh lost asset vs. surrendering a season.

    like Anaheim with Perry. (I’m not comparing Gaborik to Perry, but I don’t think the Mighty Ducks are going to trade him rather than lose him for nothing because they think they have a shot with him).

  204. Look guys – it’s close to the trade deadline. All over America teams, fans, the media and players probably are hot with rumors of trades and what could be. People love exploring the unknown. ALL the trade talk is speculation at this moment. All we have to go on is the history of the sport and those involved in it.

    Gaborik COULD be traded. Doesn’t mean it’s happening. I’m sure GM’s shop players more than we know about. So to be told it’s happening or not happening…it’s just too speculative at this point.

    There are so few guys that could replace Gaborik that the likelihood of a trade occurring is probably very low.

  205. bull dog line on

    difference with Gabby and Perry is that Gabby still has a year left on contract. the Rangers could trade him in the off season, while the Ducks could not trade Perry in the off season. the Rangers do not have to, nor would they surrender a season.

  206. How do you know he’s not happy bull dog? And Torts still gives him plenty of ice time for a guy he supposedly doesn’t like. He’s benched him at times throughout his Rangers career. Gaborik has had two of his best seasons under Torts.

    I think there’s a good chance he moves on after his current deal is up especially if he has productive walk year. Other teams will throw him more money and years than what would make sense for the Rangers to offer given the other crucial players entering FA that year.

  207. But bull dog – the Rangers have no shot at signing Perry in a UFA signing if they still have Gaborik and Richards on the books. Therefore, those guys have to be moved or bought out before you can have cap room to get Perry.

  208. bull dog line on

    the Rangers made a trade in 94 that could be similar to the Rangers trading Gabby now. they traded Amonte (goal scorer) for Noonan, and Matteau (big bodies, and 15 to 20 goal scorer). would a trade like that make sense for Rangers now?

  209. And I have strong suspicion that if Perry hits FA Toronto sends his former coach Randy Carlyle to deliver Ontario-born Perry a message that the Leafs have about $17M in cap space.

  210. bull dog line on

    how do I know CT,
    I pay attention! I don’t really know, obviously, but there are plenty of signs to that fact.

  211. Sioux-per-man on

    Hamr in on the Blue line.
    Kreider for the 3rd line,
    Boyle on the borderline.
    Gaborik plays on what line?

  212. Rangers also had one of the league’s top offenses (4th overall in the league) that year and could afford to do such a short-sighted deal. This year’s Rangers, not so much.

  213. regardless of whether or not Tortorella likes Gaborik, Gaborik is certainly the guy Tortorella feels most comfortable with benching for any infraction. whether that’s because he doesn’t like him or because he feels Gaborik needs to be policed the most, there’s no contesting he’s got the shortest leash of any of the better players on the team.

  214. bull dog line on

    I don’t think it was a short sighted deal at all. it helped them win the cup, it gave the team balance. I know Amonte went on to have a pretty good career, and I think Smith probably new he would when he traded him.

  215. So the 2 or 3 times Torts has benched him outweigh the 20 other some odd games where he gets 18-20 mins a game and has been using him on the point on the first PP unit?

    And when have we heard anything other than canned comment from any of the players regarding playing time? Or when they do get scratched as in the case of Boyle they talk about how they understand they have to play better?

  216. bull dog line on

    well it hasn’t been just 2 or 3 times CT. it is almost to easy for him to bench him at this point.

  217. Sioux-per-man on

    Torts is always moving Gaborik. Have the time to wake him up, the other have to give him a better match up with who’s on the ice.

    Gaborik will win more games for this team, than he will lose. Torts is just being a coach trying to get the most out of his players. Remember when Keenan benched Leech?

  218. I was thinking…Avery should write a book about his career as a Ranger and what it is really like to play for Torts. He could make good dough on it. I bet even the haters will buy the book.

  219. bull dog line on

    it would be a great book. we could all count the amount of times he says, “I, or, “me.

  220. Gaborik has been skipped on shifts and outright benched more than 2 times

    and regardless of that, do you dispute he’s the go-to guy on this team when Tortorella wants to bench a player?

  221. bull dog line on

    yeah Keenan benched Leetch in game 4 against the Devs in 94. brilliant move.

  222. bull dog line on

    hey, I have had your back on this whole Prust is great thing. I am allowed one little Avery response.

  223. so you’re saying Gaborik never gets benched and never gets skipped over? have you watched the games or are you going by stat sheets?

  224. bull dog line on

    the best Kreider played was the game against the Devs earlier this season. he was on the left of Richards, and Richards let him use his speed.

  225. I didn’t say he never gets benched or moved to different lines. But the vast majority of the games he gets heavy minutes. Are you suggesting ice time is a made up stat?

  226. bull dog line on

    you have to look at the minutes of other players in those games to get a full feel as to who played and why. Gabby gets skipped and benched more that any other Ranger forward other than the 4th line.

  227. maybe you’re not understanding what I’m saying

    Gaborik is the only one of the better players on the Rangers who will get benched or miss shifts. This doesn’t mean he plays 4 minutes a game like Stu Bickel. Anyone who has watched the games knows that if a better player on the team is going to miss a shift or not see the ice for several minutes, it’s Gaborik. that’s the way it’s been for the past several seasons.

  228. Mr Bull Dog,
    If ‘The Kreider’ is playing with a full throttle Step and the awe inspiring Nash-tacular, he should be able to use his speed and get some quality scoring opportunities.
    All the best,
    Mr Isaacs

  229. He gets the 5th most ice time out of the forwards.

    He’s definitely lost some minutes due to Nash, but I don’t think anyone could argue that Nash hasn’t been the more consistent threat this season.

  230. bull dog line on

    no Carp.
    had nothing to do with him scoring. it had to do with Richards. and I think it was from the middle of the 2nd into the 3rd. Richards let him use his speed, and found him on the wing a few times.

  231. Kreider has been awful. All around. One goal doesn’t save him (as we can see from the way people treat Boyle).

  232. Ledge Landlord on

    Carp, the ledge has been cleaned and I’d ready for occupants. What time should I expect the boneheads to start arriving?

  233. bull dog line on

    you are looking at to simple. you look at the Rangers STATS, and say Gabby plays this amount. if you watch the games ( and I know you do) you can see the Gabby is usually the guy to get benched when something goes wrong.

  234. Brian Boyle has been god-awful, too. He’s had two games (both immediately after coming back from being scratched) where he played pretty well and the rest of the time he’s either been a non-factor or outright bad. If I had the choice between lousy games from Kreider and lousy games from Boyle, I’d take Kreider.

  235. Boyle has been WAY better than Kreider. It’s not even comparable, Lloyd. Boyle can handle more than 4 minute without looking like a lost puppy.

  236. Regardless, Brian Boyle could easily have been a healthy scratch for the majority of the season. I don’t have a problem with Kreider being in the minor leagues because he needs time to learn the game and shouldn’t have to do so at the pro level when he isn’t ready. But let’s not hold Brian Boyle up as an example of anything but a 4th-liner lucky to be getting playing time.

  237. I think of Boyle as a 3rd line Center when he’s at his best. When he’s not, then he’s a 4th line Wing.

  238. bull dog line on

    problem is Boyle has been at his best for about 3 games this season. which is 2 less than MDZ.

  239. I’ll give you that, Manny

    so this season that’s 2, maybe 3 games as 3rd-line center and 18 or 19 games as a 4th-line wing

  240. Oh. So Del Zaster is now joining Boyle under the bus. Hope there’s room.

    Won 5 of our last 7.

  241. Also, Marek Hrivik is expected to play tonight in CT. I will be at the CT Whale game vs. the Manchester Monarchs (LA Kings) on Saturday night. I will give you guys a full report on Kyle Jean, Kreider, Thomas, Cam Talbot, Hrivik, Mashinter, Segal, Newbury and Co. Game review?

  242. I don’t know, Lloyd. Bull Dog brought him into it while he was buys whipping the crap our of Boyle.

  243. wait why are the Wangers on normal MSG and Rangers on MSG+? They couldn’t put the Steve Novak episode of Beginnings on to fill the extra hour?

  244. ah yeah I didn’t even notice the “DZ”

    seems patently unfair to compare anyone who has been at least moderately productive to Boyle

  245. Manny…. lets hope the baby Rangers know you’re coming to scout the game so they play extra hard

  246. bull dog line on

    i’m sorry. I did not mean to upset anybody by telling the truth about MDZ. I will put my Ranger colored glasses on now.

  247. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I don’t understand why anyone would want boyle’s (from the sharks) salary or softness on our blue line EVER

    Isn’t gabby coming off shoulder surgery?
    Just saying!

  248. Won 5 of the last 7. Win tonight makes it 6 of the last 8 and a commanding 2 point lead on the 8th spot.

  249. They don’t even want to call it “Hell’s Kitchen” no more. Renamed it “Clinton”.

  250. Czechthemout!!! on


    Boyle has played well in exactly two games this year. The game he played after his benching, and the game against the Caps. That is it. The amount of rope given to him by Torts is a lot greater than he ever gave to Kreider. You can make a case that Boyle deserves it more than Kreider due to his good season two years ago and his last 15 games and plaoffs before he got injured last year.

    Boyle is a good guy and a popular teammate. Very nice. As a player he is a dime a dozen. He is the softest 6 7″ 267lbs player. He routinely gets run over by guys much smaller than him. He has zero hockey sense and skates like he is in quick sand. He cant pass the puck. He cant accept a pass. He has no shot at all. In fact, he could break a pane of glass with his pea shooter of a shot. And of course he canr fight either. Other than that, he is a great player.

  251. bull dog line on

    I have an extra pair of Ranger colored glasses for you. you are not allowed to criticize any Ranger player. with them on you see all things Rangers different.

  252. Czechthemout!!! on

    Boyle at his best? Give me a break. He had a career year in his contract year. If not for that, he would be out of the league or riding the highway back and fourth as a call up once in a blue moon. Like Newberry.

    Remember Warren Young? He scored 39 goals one year playing with Mario. Alot of players have their one career year and than they regress to the mean. His mean is 4 goals 4 assists,4th line/ahl, period.

  253. Hey Greg, if you’re around, I swear this is true:

    “Gregapalooza is an annual summer concert event benefitting Camden County Animal Shelter.”


  254. Carp, sorry in advance…I really really hope we do well and win tonight, but if things go south, I’m not hanging here and reading all the negative nancy stuff….hurts too much :(

  255. Is it possible that Torts actually is making a hockey decision…not based on emotion?

    Yea…um so….Maybe because, um, you know…

    Kreider is a rookie and has little pro experience under his belt…he needs to develop the right way…

  256. wow!! watching rangers pre-game and duguay got stuck saying a word, kind of stuttered, thought he was going to spit out his choppers.

  257. “wow, have you seen how good MDZ has been. he’s the best!”

    bull dog line, sure, MDZ isn’t great every night. Neither is McDonagh…

    But, if you don’t think MDZ has been one of the better Rangers dmen (on both sides of the puck) this season then I don’t know what to tell you…

  258. Czechthemout!!! on

    Nyr fan

    My comment was not so much about Kreider as it was about Manny calling Boyle a third liner.

    But since you brought it up, no I dont think Kreider got a fair shake from Torts this year so far., not at all. Torts wants him to be a grinder, well he isnt a grinder despite his size. What he is is a speedy winger who has a good shot and is a good passer. He occasionally takes body but doesn’t look to bury anyone. Torts wants him to play on the wall like he wants his entire contingent of forwards to do. Kreider is not nor was ever good at that. I watched him play perhaps 30-40 games between college and both WJC tournaments. If they wanted a third line type forward who was good on the wall, they should have drafted someone else instead.

  259. “Torts wants him to be a grinder, well he isnt a grinder despite his size. What he is is a speedy winger who has a good shot and is a good passer.”

    Do you honestly believe that Tortorella thinks that?

  260. Boyle centering the third line. I hope he ate his Wheaties today, and somebody pissed in them. I want to see a mean Boyle out there on the ice.

    I really expect a good game from the Rangers tonight, should be fun.

  261. Czechthemout!!! on


    I do. He wants him to use his speed to dump the puck in the corner, grind behind the net, than look to throw it towards the net, that is it. Basically, he wants him to be a bigger version of Hagelin. Krieder has a lot more skill than Hags.

  262. Czech,

    I do not agree at all. NOPE….Torts wants him to use his SPEED….TO SCORE GOALS….

    I watched Kreider. I saw a somewhat lazy or maybe disinterested kid with little fire in his belly. He did not create offense like we thought he could, he was just watching out there this season…

    Let him prove himself in the AHL so we don’t have to live and die with his mistakes and lack of production. If he can’t do it there, he certainly can’t up here…

  263. NYR. my brother, jpg said that when he watched kreider play college hockey that sometimes he looked like he stood around waiting for the puck, so your view seems quite plausible

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