Rangers-Baby Buffaloes in review

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Thoughts:

1) This was more like last year for the Rangers. They got punched in the mouth and all of a sudden they decided to show up. Well, it wasn’t even a punch in the mouth, it was a dangerous, intentional, filthy hit by a cheap-shot artist of the lowest degree, known for playing way over the line. But the Rangers reacted, they reacted quickly and well, and they turned it into a win. Like 2011-12. And there sure haven’t been nearly enough games like 2011-12 this season.

2) I’m not looking for negatives, but really, those first two periods, there were a lot of guys going at scrimmage speed. You know, kind of hunched over, feet spread apart, not exactly gliding, but surely not going hard enough. Yeah, I know, that the Sabres have clamped down since their coaching change, and they were good in front of Ryan Miller. But, geez, I thought a lot of it was what the Rangers weren’t doing. Some of those guys seem intent on shutting themselves out by NOT shooting, guys like Brian Boyle. No shots for four games, and then a chance like that, he passes behind Marian Gaborik? He’s got to shoot that puck.

3) The Rangers penalty killing was terrific and monumentally clutch, but let’s remember, in Buffalo they were facing a team with a worse power play than their own. Also, in Buffalo, is an example that the big shot at the point necessarily makes for a good power play, because the Sabres sure have one big shot in Ehroff and their PP is worthless.

4) I don’t recall Derek Stepan playing such a good all-around game, winning important faceoff after important faceoff, playing well defensively, couple of solid hits, and the goal on the 5-on-3 that turned the game.

5) Rick Nash. Another fabulous game. Took a couple of dumb penalties, and nearly stuck one in his own net after blowing a tire in overtime. Guy’s an absolute force, though. And he and Marian Gaborik, Stepan and even Michael Del Zotto were moving on the back side or weak side of the power play. You have to have that movement away from the puck, or you can’t move the puck, unless you do the usual move it backward and away from the net. Nash found space on the weak side and took Gaborik’s pass for the 2-2 goal, and Stepan found the weak side hole and buried Nash’s pass on the 5-on-3. Nash also had that great drive to the net broken up by Tyler Myers, and the goal after the hockey game ended was a thing of beauty. Beast.

6) Patrick Kaleta. What a piece of crap. Of course, my expectations from the NHL’s Department of Jumping Through Hoops to not suspend anybody were forced even lower after the Max Pacioretty assault on Ryan McDonagh. So I don’t expect Kaleta to be punished. And that clown on Philly only got four games — which wasn’t nearly enough.  Let’s see what rabbit Brendan Shanahan pulls out of his hat for this notorious jackwagon Kaleta, who is the poster boy for players not having any respect for their peers any more. I don’t know about all the stipulations, like the idiotic initial-point-of-contact thing they use on head shots, but there’s got to be a suspension that’s a suspension just because you see it and you know it. That Kaleta shot was a suspension, and when you saw it, you knew it. But we’ll see. Like I said, the bar’s been set pretty low.

7) Speaking of McDonagh, he’s really struggled lately. He had a really rough night.

8) And I’ve said many times that I’m not nuts about Marc Staal and Dan Girardi together — I think they’re too similar, and both spend too much time on the ice, off their skates. But last night, Staal and Girardi were really good together and Girardi got banged up too. Also took what should be an illegal head shot, but the NHL obviously has no idea how to police head shots, or no interest in doing so.

9) But God forbid you hook a guy’s glove. Pansification.

10) Speaking of which, there are way, way, way too many Bettman Bonus Points for losing being doled out this season, and some teams are going to miss the playoffs in this short season because they didn’t lose enough games in overtime of the silly contest after the game ends. And some bad team or teams (like Florida last year) are going to get in because they got enough Bettman points for losing. Joke.

11) That first Buffalo goal, that was on a bunch of people long before the faceoff — a long shift, and then Anton Stralman icing the puck — a clear that had no chance of being anything but icing.

12) To go back to that Kaleta-Richards thing, and how it seemed to spark the Rangers … they really need to find that again, that nasty edge with which they played after the hit and after the PPGs. They played so many games that way in 2011-12. Again, not nearly enough of those in 2013.

13) Henrik Lundqvist, I thought, was really good. And he showed what a shootout weapon he can be with two exceptional saves in the contest after the hockey game ended.

14) Another huge game by the Captain.

15) I imagine Richards, who has been much better the last two games (still don’t like him on the PP point at all) is going to be pretty darn sore today.

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My Three Rangers Stars:
1. Derek Stepan.
2. Rick Nash.
3. Henrik Lundqvist.
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RangerJHW’s Three Rangers Stars:
1. Rick Nash … solid
2. Henrik-Henrik-Henrik
3. Marc Staal … decisive

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Your poll vote for Three Rangers Stars:
1. Rick Nash (31.84 %).
2. Henrik Lundqvist (17.41 %).
3. Marc Staal (14.43 %).
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  1. well, it was a win. you don’t want to see the hot dogs being made.

    Kaleta will get at least 4 games.

    Stepan, Staal, Hank, Nash – all had great games

  2. They’ve got to be careful with Mack that he doesnt have some lingering effects like Staal did when trying to come back too early. Must be a temptation to shrug it off in a shortened season when maybe if 2 weeks off only meant missing 4-5 games instead of 7-8 games or if there was an all-star break to heal up during.
    Havent watched the game yet, will watch later on gamecenter but seems almost standard to hear Step and Nash singled out these days.

  3. Isn’t Kaleta the guy who injured Mara and then one game Mara took into him and he wouldn’t fight and Mara cost the Rangers the game. But Tortorella wasn’t upset. Who would be?

    I thought Gaborik looked good on the PP. Why is he never there?

  4. For Those About To Evrock on

    Repost:
    About time Richards showed he was good for something this season. Way to take one for the team Richie! Anyone notice how phenomenal the power play looked without him? Was he back on the ice when the shortie was scored? It sure wouldn’t surprise me. Anyone want to take bets on whether the coaching staff noticed the improvement and changes the power play strategy (aka no Richards at the point) accordingly going forward? I’m taking “no”. Anyone want to bet against me? I didn’t think so.

  5. What exactly did J.T. Miller do to earn a star? Was that some sort of typo, or did they mean to give it to Ryan Miller? I can’t imagine the latter in a loss, and it should have gone to Lundqvist.

    How about that woman standing by the Rangers’ door to the ice during the three stars? Her daughter received a puck from Miller, and then the mother had her stick her hand out again to Nash. It could have been for a high five, but I think it was greed. I was hoping the door would be closed on the girl’s arm!

    Great to finally see a response this year, to that stink bug Kaleta.

  6. Morning all,

    What’s absolutley disturbing about the Kaleta hit on Richards is that the rank & file were all brothers in arms during the lockout, standing side by side with the Fehr monger against the feudal lords. The sheer hypocrisy of that cheap shot by a repeat offender (and the multitude of cheap shots that have already taken place this sesason) shows that the players don’t respect the game, or each other.

    Sad, really.

  7. bull dog line on

    Carp,
    not sure which Stepan you have been watching, but, he has been playing that way for a good couple of weeks.
    yeah lets close the door on a little girls arm because you think her mom is greedy. wow!

  8. Czechthemout!!! on

    I dont think MCD played as poorly as you describe Carp. He had the obvious bad play on the PP that led to the goal but absent that, he didnt really struggle. He didnt stand out which with him is perhaps something to worry about. Maybe that hit is still impacting him?

    I wonder if Stepan had some time with a skating consultant recently because last night, he looked faster than at anytime that I’ve seen him as a Ranger. He actually won some races for the puck! If he has added some jump to his skating, he will become a major force at center for this team.

    Rick Nash is a great player, period! Every game he stands out with a plethora of fantastic plays. The goals are starting to come and his playmaking ability is something I didnt realize he had but certainly is welcome. BEAST!

    I thought Staal was excellent last night as well.

    I dont understand Why Torts took Hags away from Nash last night for moat of the game.

    At what point is Brian do nothing Boyle going to be held accountable for his poor play? Zero shots in five games for a guy who is used as a third line center by this team. 1 point in what, 16 -17 games now? Absolute waste of a third line center spot on a guy that the coach insists on playing even though he doesnt deserve to be.

    Anyway, happy with the two points but am very upset they played like horse crap for two periods.

    I will repeat. Where was Sather when Steve Ott was available? Perfect player for Torts’ ” system”.

  9. Czechthemout!!! on

    By the way, I wanted to also add that I thought MDZ played a very strong game last night. Perhaps his best all around game this season. Nice to see. Hopefully the start of manny manny more.

  10. cto – Boyle did have a shot in this game, right before they mentioned that he had no shots for four games. I saw him hustling, specifically to keep a puck in at the offensive blue line once, but god is he slow, especially on that potential breakaway chance. I don’t know what to do with him.

    I don’t blame McDonagh for the shorthanded goal so much as I do Del Zotto, who was the second defenseman to pinch. At least we would have had one D back and it would have been a 2 on 2 the whole way with McD hustling to have more Rangers back than Sabres.

    Hey, I wasn’t looking for the girl to get hurt, just put a scare into the mom.

  11. Czechthemout!!! on

    Spiderpig

    Oops! Sorry! Make that 1 shot in five games. I guess that earns him another five games in Tortorella land.

    I know what to do with him, dump him in a deal for a legit sixth defender because we dont have any. Preferably one who can add some grit to the team.

  12. People clearly don’t watch the other things that Boyle does. It’s not about scoring with him anyway.

    And the SH goal was a bit to do with Nash as well. We bought the fake from Ott and dove instead of staying on his feet, which showed why he’s not a defenseman. Good presence from Ott to realize that and attack him.

    Kaleta will be suspended since he’s a repeat offender.

    And it was funny that the Rangers score two PP goals with Richards out. My only issue with that was they did lose their composure a bit by trying a bit too much after that hit and gave up the SHG.

  13. Good job, Carp. I had, Nash Staal and Lundqvist.

    Regarding Kaleta, I’m confident he will be suspended what with Buffalo not having most favored nations status and Kaleta not being named Crosby or Malkin. I’ll say 5-7 games. given Kaleta’s record.

    MSG had a great shot of Girardi shaking out the cobwebs after he kissed the glass courtesy of another questionable hit.

    Regarding Boyle, after parting with a good chunk of their penalty killers BL3 (Before Lockout 3), The Rangers are relying on Boyle to kill penalties. That alone will keep getting him ice time.

  14. Sioux-per-man on

    I can’t wait till we play them again. Bickel needs to tostito Kaleta’s teeth!!!

    Wow for a second there I thought we were going to end up with 5 PP goals. Those first 2 came fast and furious.

    Nash and Gaborik need to play more together on the power play. Having two snipers on the ice is hard to stop the way they were moving the puck.

    Callahan’s GW shoot out goal was a thing of beauty! Didn’t know he had that in him. That was up there with Kane’s goal for Chicago!

    Have a SIOUXper day boys!!!

  15. As his most vocal detractor this season, I’m pleased that Stepan is more noticeable on the ice for his positives contributions. He was not in shape at the start of the season but has gradually worked his way back. He, Cally and Staal were textbook on the penalty kill

  16. Kaleta is a punk. He’s the kind of guy being phased out if hockey (supposedly). He is a repeat offender and if I remember correctly his last suspension was for Head Butting. Pretty sure that says it all.

    If he doesn’t have an in person (5+ games) well, I don’t know what to say.

    Girardi’s boarding penalty is the opposite. That’s an example of a player boarding himself by turning his back into a hit. Sure, it’s a solid check along the boards but Girardi made contact low in the body. That’s the kind of hit that you can’t penalize because it will have a sever, negative impact on the game.

    That Zolnierczyk hit was bad. That was head hunting at its worst in the NHL. 4 games might not have been enough. But if he got four and Kaleta is a repeat offender then I guess Kaleta gets 4? 5?

  17. Was it a great Ranger PK or was it that they were playing against the worst PP in the NHL? But we’ll take the 2 points anyway we can get ’em.

  18. Stanger Nation on

    Don’t think Boyle is playing horribly given his role, which is more goal ‘prevention’ than production.

    They do have an unbalanced line up with Gabby playing with Boyle, though Torts did have Gabby with Nash and Richards for some shifts last night.

    Going to be tough more Gabby to keep up his .47 goals per game average playing with Boyle. He did have two pretty passes to Nash on pp leading to the goals.

    MDZ on stupid pinch on SHG – kid doesn’t play smart sometimes.

  19. Jonny, it seems the Rangers as a team leave their feet way to much in the defensive zone.

  20. I was at the game last night – sitting in section 226.

    Agree with what everyone said about the concourse on the upper level… you can’t tell if you are in line to go to the bathroom, buy beer, or buy hard liquor. It’s too congested.

    My friend who owns the season tickets said they keep swapping the mens and womens bathrooms each game. I wonder why they do that?

    As for the game… what a snooze fest for 2 periods. Boyle reminds me of a mens league player. If Rupp was too slow for this system… well, Boyle’s not getting it done either. Not expecting him to put 20 goals in, but he doesn’t look right.

    I did notice Powe a few times because of his hustle. He is an underrated skater in my opinion.

    Nash and Hagelin seem to be the only two guys on this team that can create shots for themselves… Hagelin with his speed, and Nash with his stickhandling.

    The powerplay – I said to my friend “oh no, please decline the 5 on 3!” and then they go and score two goals. That first goal looked like the backdoor play they always try. The problem is, when it doesn’t connect, it’s often “ok, that didn’t work… lets stand around for 90 more seconds and do nothing”.

    Overall, a really boring game to watch live. I think shots were 8-4 after the first period. Hard for the crowd to get into it when the team doesn’t shoot or hit.

    On a side note, I see Prust fought Lucic last night…

  21. Carp, love what you do. But please, enough with the complaining every single time NYR gets into a shoot out. Is it a perfect system? Maybe not. But everyone knows the rules now beforehand and shoot outs are even practiced. Just like the idea that you can be down 5 on 3 but never 5 on 2. Why is it that way? Because it is and it’s part of the rules. And everyone knows that before and after. Don’t like the shootout risk? Win in regulation.

    Again, love the column. But we get it.

  22. *In todays game,*Gerardi hit was boarding, not suspension worthy but definitely boarding.

  23. Good morning, boneheads!

    Good review, Carp…

    Gutsy win last night, haven’t seen too many of those this year. About time.
    McD has not been himself for a few games now. Not that he is horrible, but he hesitates a little every time he needs to make a quick decision, as opposed to reacting immediately. I wouldn’t worry, he’ll come out of it.
    Stepan has actually been our best center for a while. He is just scoring more now. Goods thing to have. Nobody wants to say that Gaborik’s been better too? He’s been skating, working against the board, and his passing is crisp, and right on the tape. The goals will come.

    I was worried about serious neck injury for Richards, but then on replay it was obvious it was his back he was reaching for. Bet you he is still in bed this morning.

    I think they need to look into getting someone who can be a sandpaper….They haven’t replaced Prust. Bickel is there, but he can’t send a message if he plays 2 min per game. Wonder if they should do right now instead of waiting till April 3rd.

  24. Spiderpig – that little girl is at every game and receives a puck almost every single time.

    JT Miller deserved a star of some sort. The kid played huge. He was flying all over the ice, delivering hits, stealing the puck, working the boards and taking monster shots.

    Also, a few posts back Carp explained how they do the whole “voting” process within the arena. To sum up, he said the ballots are collected with about 7 minutes left in the 3rd period. Thus, the games that have outcomes like this one may not have a totally accurate 3 stars.

  25. Matt, good point on Hagelin and Nash creating shots for themselves. Might also throw Cally in there and hopefully in time , JT Miller who has shown a willingness to drive to the net.

  26. It was amazing wasn’t it, Sioux? This PP can’t get going to save its life, especially in a 5-on-3, and then, with a bit of snarl, they set up, work the puck low and have the perfect tape-to-tape pass down low where you have actually have a numbers advantage!

    Then, they do the exact same thing with a one man advantage! The puck actually moves with the two guys high, people move their feet, Nash and Gaborik actually CREEP IN for once. Two snipers, pass, snipe, GOAL (MSG/My living room goes nuts!).

  27. I hate to say it, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Rangers’ PP scores 2 goals in less than a minute when Richards is OFF the ice…

  28. carp didnt complain about the shootout this time. he was talking about ot loser points.

  29. oh wait, it was james g who declined my trade! i wonder if i throw in richie rich might just work

  30. Boyle 1 shot in 5 games…. but folks here say his role he is not to score! oh thank God, i was worried for a minute there.

  31. Is that some rap reference to how I “killed it” Grabby? I will just assume it is….

    For example:

    “Before I got on this beat / it made out a bucket list / with these bars I granted its death wish” – Curren$y

    It’s deep. So deep.

  32. Grabby – which fantasy league are you referring to? I only pay attention to leagues that use the Yahoo! interface.

  33. Kaleta phone hearing at 3pm today. 5 games or less with a phone hearing, NHL misses yet another opportunity to take dangerous hits seriously

  34. So Kaleta better get the Max 5 games.

    There really is no excuse for not having an in person hearing. Kaleta woke up *in* NYC. Even if he was in Buffalo already, he could fly back on a 30 minute flight. Not like he doesn’t have the money.

    Maybe Shanaban was scared Kaleta would headbutt him?

  35. Anyone putting Kaleta’s hit in the same category as Girardi’s is out off their mind. Girardi’s while warranting a penalty for sure was not a deliberate stick to the back of a defenseless player

  36. ilb- i need a refill on my meds. call it in will ya. eddie and cooz need their ritalin, carp needs his potassium, cccp needs his medical herbs, manny needs his gas x and beano, i need my bp and fat guy needs his amphet, err i mean vitamins.

  37. BufGal, all I know is Bob McKenzie usually gets these things right or pretty close. Read his take on both hits.

  38. Carp, it won’t be a hat Shanny pulls the rabbit out of. Think more south.

    And you need to understand- hooking gloves leads to less shots and less goals in Betman land…couldn’t have that…suspending guys means having to be held accountable for suspending them (and holding players accountable too of course) suspensions like that will make the league seem dangerous. It would make the league less similar to say the NBA? Can’t have that either.

    Joke

  39. Not to be confused with Pete….

    Kaleta’s hearing is by phone so the most he can get is 5 games. On top of that, he was immediately ejected from the game, which thereby removes the ability for the Rangers to exact any sort of revenge of their own. Last year’s team would have been more likely to do something, but this year’s team might have. And this is yet another reason why the instigator penalty has to go. Kaleta needs a real deterrent. Missing a few games is nothing. Either the discipline on the league end needs to be much harsher, or Kaleta needs to know that what he is doing will physically be exacted back from him.

  40. BufGal,

    Here are the differences between the two hits:

    1) Kaleta is a repeat offender – who deliberately intended to injure a fellow union member, someone who stood up on that stage day after day with the Fehr monger against the Death Star.

    2) Dan Girardi is one of the toughest, classiest players in the NHL – an All-Star for that matter, who would never deliberately hurt Ennis or any other player. No rap sheet here.

  41. If he misses the next game against NYR, they still see him one last time in April, toward the end of the season. It would be nice if they’re in a position in the standings where they can throw two points away so they can spend half the game destroying Kaleta, and everyone else.

    Maybe San Jose can trade us Gomez, so he can slide into Miller again? That would work!

  42. Czechthemout!!! on

    Johnny D

    Please get over the myth that is Brian Boyle. He is and always was a fourth liner who had one career season because he scored 20 goals, half of which were poor goals allowed by bad goalies.
    He has very limited skill, no speed, no shot, no passing skills what so ever, poor balance, terrible hockey sense, ( see last night’s game ), yet he gets far too much ice time for what he brings. As for his pk skills, yes they are decent but not great. He isnt even the best penalty killer on our team. In fact, if given the choice, I would rather still have Prust on the team instead of him. In fact, I posted as much during free agency. I called for dumping Boyle for a draft pick and using his salary to give Prust a bit of a bump. In the end, it would’t have mattered because Prust got way more than the Rangers were willing to pay.

  43. Stanger Nation on

    Would be interesting to see how many votes Nash has received up to date in ‘stars of game’ polling.
    Seems like he is in top 3 of every game. -guess is he would probably double next closest Ranger.

    Dept of Nitpicking:
    Hags needs to learn how to play with Nash. Love his speed and ability to control puck, but too many times Hags is about to enter offensive zone and he does his soft dump puck to corner and chase play. When you have Nash on your other wing, you don’t need to play that way, get him the puck and go to open ice.

  44. boyle did score some flukey goals that year. you see what a few flukey goals can do for a guys confidence.

  45. Paul in sunrise on

    That mom at the door for the three stars had two kids there i believe. Not greed just trying her best to get two.

    Two points. That’s what that game was. Two more Tuesday. That’s all. Keep moving and winning.

    Power play was better with richie on the bench. When there I think they defer to him or force him the puck. Without him they shoot or look for more immediate shots. However when not there entry into zone was pretty bad.

  46. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Torts sent Bickel after Buffalo’s stars, but he couldn’t find Vanek in the press box.

  47. This team doesn’t have a deterrent, a player who scares the other team, and that’s why players on the Rangers get run; McDonough, Richards, who’s next?

    This team is so pansified it’s heart wrenching just to watch. Might as well have Nedved and the Czech posse out there figure skating around.

    Disgraceful Sather doesn’t give Torts any player that will push back. The Flyers will beat us up tomorrow night. I remember when it was the Rangers beating up the Flyers last tear.

    *sigh*

  48. Rob in Beantown on

    I just watched the Girardi hit for the first time. It doesn’t look that bad. Contact was low and Ennis turned away from the hit and I think sold it pretty well. The high hit on Girardi in the first period way way worse.

  49. Hockey maven on

    We need Boyle as a penalty killer?
    Penalty killers are vastly overvalued and overrated…
    You guys are probably the same that moaned when Betts left because of that reason – yet it was just as good…
    Then Dubi left – oh my God, another PKer gone…Just as good again…
    When Boyle was scratched – the PK was just as good…
    Get the drift?

    Your best penalty killer more often than not is your goalie…

    Boyle brings nothing – NOTHING, to this team…

  50. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Here we go with the deterrent again. Would this “deterrent” have been on the PP?

  51. Pretty pointless “going after” Kaleta anyway, since he’d turtle against anyone bigger than Hagelin.

  52. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Unless you mean it’s too bad they don’t have Lucic. Because I’m sure 29 other teams are bummed about that.

  53. At least the threat of the next game being more physical increases the chances of the Sabres scratching somebody useful to get John Scott in the line-up.

  54. In response to ilb comment earlier today on sending a message. Bickel can’t play and has no skill. Playing 3 mins a night is a waste. If he wouldn’t drop gloves down in 2nd per to light a spark then when.

    Here is a guy I posted last night on the thread.

    Matt hendricks in wash.
    Ufa and can be moved around lineup. Not that far off from prust.

  55. vogs it doesnt matter if he scares anyone. Prusrt doesn’t scare anybody. By and large, guys don’t want to fight. Doesnt matter whether they win or lose. Lets see how much malarkey Lucic tries to pull next time those 2 teams meet. Im sure he is happy he won the fight but all things being equal I’m sure he’d prefer not to have to fight anyone.

  56. _Boyle 1 shot in 5 games…. but folks here say his role he is not to score! oh thank God, i was worried for a minute there._

    Its a simple explanation that is simple because its very simple. Boyle plays defensive zone minutes against other team’s scoring lines because he’s better at goal prevention than goal creation. The end.

  57. Czech – Boyle isn’t a 20 goal scorer, that was a contract year and I was shocked. I’d always expected him to max out at 10. But he isn’t here to score. He’s here to play solid defense, especially on the PK.

    It’s not a myth and I’m not even saying he’s a great player. But you can’t just have a bunch of scorers on your team and expect to win. He does certain things off the puck that make him valuable to the team. I guess since a bunch of the other whipping boys are gone though, people need to complain about someone, so this year they are going after Boyle.

  58. _You guys are probably the same that moaned when Betts left because of that reason – yet it was just as good…_

    I was too busy moaning about Sjostrom leaving, to be honest.

  59. Peter – Lucic is definitely not scared of Prust and wouldn’t mind going with him again since he’s whipped him bad every time. But I agree, guys aren’t going out there looking to fight. So even though it probably sounded like I disagreed with you, I actually agree haha

  60. miller obviously did not deserve a star. he did the minimum; played hard, when open he shot the puck, and was good on the forecheck.

    boyle can learn from his 19 year old linemate to shoot the damn puck!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. if boyle is a defensive specialist he is not doing that to well either.. -7, 1 point on the season. the excuses grow for BOyle.

    he just stinks…

  62. _if boyle is a defensive specialist he is not doing that to well either.. -7, 1 point on the season. the excuses grow for BOyle._

    Nice use of plus/minus.

  63. Stanger Nation on

    Pretty sure Habs would put Prust with Lucic in penalty box every time to get him off ice for 5 mins or more. Same with Chara who got retribution, but Habs got him off ice for rest of game, which they won.

    Sets up for a nasty next game between the two – flippin love it!

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    BTW, the first 5 on 3 goal is exactly the play I have been describing for the past I don’t know how long. It’s all you have to do on a 5 on 3. Two quick passes: High-low, across the goal for the shot. That’s it. They finally did it and look! 7 seconds and a goal. That’s how simple a five on three is.

  65. Doodie Machetto on

    The defensive triangle starts with two men high, one man down low. You make those two passes quickly and all you have to do is beat the one low man with the second pass for an easy goal, which Nash did and Stepan scored. Perfect.

  66. Czechthemout!!! on

    Jonny D

    Exactly what are those little things that he does that he needs to play on the third line?

    You cant just have a bunch of guys who score goals and expect to win? Are you serious? We have 5 sometimes six 4th line players in the lineup every game. How many more do we need in the lineup to play goal prevention? Or is it that we are playing to prevent us from scoring goals? That is why I saying that Boyle is a fourth line player. You just described what a fourth line player is. My argument is ot so much that Boyle shouldnt play, It is just that he plays way too many minutes for what he brings to a team. He should not play more than 4-6 minutes a night even strengh.

  67. Stuart – you know +/- isn’t a great stat. If it was, you guys would all be screaming to have Malik back (the king of +/-).

  68. Ok, so demote Boyle to the 4th for 4-6 minutes. Who plays his defensive zone and matchup minutes at center? You want Halpern out for 15:00? Force it on Miller? Stepan or Richards? Not every guy is out there to score.

  69. Doodie Machetto on

    Actually, correction, I had Miller with the third star, not Staal. I was between them and went Miller.

  70. So Czech, you are telling me that Brandon Prust wasn’t an important player for this team last year since he only scored 5 goals in 82 games (Boyle had 11)? Loving the logic here.

    I agree with you that he’s a fourth line player, but we don’t have a 3rd line center right now, that’s why he’s playing that role. Not to mention, he’s put up 61 points in the last two years.

    Who else do you want taking his ice time? Halpern?

  71. For those who want Boyle off the ice (or the team), who is replacing him that’s going to do a better job?

  72. Relieved I’m not the only sicko playing out the thought of that woman’s hand being crushed by the door.

    What a game though. Great to see cally and Nash take it to the net with speed …”after the hockey game ended.”

    Anyone take a peak at the comments section of NHL.com’s recap?

    Comical that people on their are accusing Richards of taking a dive.

  73. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, 4-6 minutes at even strength. Boyle will still get all of his PK time.

    As for matching defensive lines, why? Why not throw our attackers at their attackers? Ours, especially guys like Stepan, Nash, and Callahan, play great two-way games. Why not throw them out their against the other teams’ offensive lines and play with the puck in their zone instead of defending when they attack and attacking when they defend?

    I’m with CTO on this one. Although, 4-6 mins of ES might be too little. Maybe 8-10 would be more appropriate., bringing him to like 12 minutes a night with PK duties.

  74. Doodie Machetto on

    JT Miller should be the third line center. Put him out there with Pyatt and bring back Kreider or Christian Thomas to be the other winger.

    Make the 4th line Boyle-Halpern-Powe.

  75. richie didnt dive, but he wasnt pushed full force either. for all his twitching and whimpering i thought he’d be out for at least the rest of the game.

  76. Doodie Machetto on

    Boyle has a use and a role, but he is being used beyond that role. Meanwhile, dregs like Bickel are trying to fill a role for which they are not suited, which in Bickel’s case, would be ANY ROLE WHATSOEVER IN THE NHL BECAUSE HE IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.

  77. thomas has been playing pretty good lately for the whale.well, so has mashinter, but honestly thomas should be given more than a 1 game look. anyone know how bourque’s doing? i haven’t seen him play in hartford lately. injured?

  78. Doodie: Because I don’t think Richards can handle a head-to-head role successfully at this point. Boston is too big, Pittsburgh is too good, a lot of other teams are too fast. He needs those protected minutes (and I don’t doubt for a second his home/road splits bear this out), even if it just means going against solid 3rd lines that can’t counterattack. I like having separation of roles and, while I’m not saying Boyle has played great this year, I don’t think anyone would play his role better.

  79. doodie, miller could be an option there, but wasnt he being used on wing because he feels more comfortable there? is he a natural center anyway?

  80. Czechthemout!!! on

    Jonny D

    Mister D

    Grabby

    What Doodie said. No need to match lines. We can play with our top 6 against anyone in the league.

    Powe Boyle and Pyatt would be an excellent fourth line.

    I know some of you guys will respond with the just not sure he’s ready crap but keep an eye on Lindberg when his season ends maybe as early as a week or so. He is a really good player who is in the top ten in scoring in the SEL and he isnt even known for scoring. Look for him to have an impact on this team this season. Also dont be shocked about Fasth as well having an impact on this team this year. Remember Sather said the same thing about Kreider helping last season and as recently as last week, Sather talked about bring those two kids in as soon as they are done.

  81. Sioux-per-man on

    Vogs – Bickel doesn’t need to scare anyone. He just needs to connect 1-time with his hammer.

    1 of the top 3 MSG moments in my life, was the game last year when Bickel knocked Tostito’s front teeth out. The wife bought “Anniversay Tickets” to sit on the glass. This was the game there were 5 – 6 fights, and as we are watching them throw them. I say if Bickel ever connects flush something is going to break. Bamm – donwn goes Frasier!!! He lost 3 teeth ….. Happy Happy Happy.

    Funniest thing the Philly crew came out there looking for them. Right after they shoveled up the snow around the net. I don’t know why, but it just made me laugh as he skated to the box pointing at his teeth.

    Second best moment was the next game against the Devils. When Bickel starts and center, and all 3 pairs drop the gloves to start the game. Wasn’t expecting that start!

    Bickel is a player Torts needs to have around. No question about it. He can play, but he can also handle some of the heavy lifting.

  82. I think our top 6 being comparable to other team’s and our top 6 being able to match up are very different things. Especially if Richards and Gaborik are on the same line.

  83. Sioux-per-man on

    Keep the roster the same. They are 2 -0.

    Say what you want about Boyle. But the penalty kill went 5-5, and that’s what won the game for us last night.

    Kreider is the next one called up “IF” there’s an injury, he needs to PLAY his way out of his funk. He needs 20+ minutes a game of pro hockey for the Whale, until he can find a way to play like Hagelin & Miller. He is still our top prospect. He’s is to valuable to the club to rush him if he isn’t ready.

    Don’t you agree?

  84. Stanger Nation on

    Doodie Machetto March 4th, 2013 at 11:21 am
    He threw off his gloves like a little pansy.

    LMGO –

    like a little kid throwing his mittens off in the snow – glad he was OK,but it anyone weaker on their skates?

  85. Sioux, Buffalo has THE worst PP in the NHL. I wouldn’t get so over-the-top aboot our PK. It’s good lately, no doubt but agaisnt Boofalo, it would’ve been 10 for 10!!!

  86. Stanger Nation on

    Does everyone think Halpern couldn’t play more in place of Boyle?

    After a slow start, the guy has been skating really well – may not have the size of Big Rig, (dig?) but he covers much more ground and has some puck handling ability.

    All this talk about PK effectiveness – Powe and Halpern are doing great out there, that and they get to play with Bickel – everyone’s whipping boy after Boyle…

  87. Good morning, Sally!

    lmgo at J.T. Miller getting a star. I’m sure that people voted for Ryan Miller (remember, ballots collected at 2-2 in the third period) and somebody who counted them up mistakenly thought they were voting for J.T.

  88. Doodie – JT Miller WILL be the third line center, but the kid isn’t ready for it yet. That’s why Boyle plays in that role.

    Czech – I’d like to see Lindberg play in the AHL for a bit first since he’s a pretty small guy (or at least he was, he might’ve filled out a bit since). Was very happy when we got him via trade.

  89. Czechthemout!!! on

    Mister D

    Play what role better? He doesnt do anything. That is the point. He stinks! If you cant skate,shoot,pass,fight,be a good face off man, win battles along the boards and your only saving grace is that you are a decent penalty killer who is courageous enough to block shots than all you are is a fourth line player. That is it.

  90. Does anyone else have NHL Center Ice? How come Rangers games are never broadcasted in HD when obviously MSG broadcasts in HD?

  91. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, I disagree with having Pyatt on the 4th line. I like what Pyatt brings to the table on the 3rd line, especially if Miller is centering it and we put a kid like Kreider or Thomas with them.

    Besides, squeezing Pyatt onto the 4th squeezes out Halpern, and I like him on the 4th line and on the PK.

  92. Plus putting our top 6 against other teams top 6 takes away the scoring. Our 3rd and 4th lines won’t score as much as previous years since we’re top heavy, so forcing the top two to potentially play more defensive duty if they can’t maintain possession of the puck kills any chances they have of winning.

  93. Doodie Machetto on

    Stranger, that is the PERFECT description of what Richards did. He’s the kid that got hit in the eye with the snowball that had solidified into ice. He went to the dressingroom where his mother had made him some cocoa to feel better.

  94. Czechthemout!!! on

    Jonny D

    Of course you do. That is you default position on every young player they bring in here. But hey it is your opinion and thats fine. To me, I would rather give a kid a chance first with the big club and let him show that he doesnt belong.

    Lindberg is not that small. He is depending on your source of info anywhere from 6-6 1″ and weighs between 185-202lbs. He has played this year against older men in a strong pro league so physically, he is ready. He has 17g and 24 assists for 41 pts in 54 games along with 57 pim. A high number of PIM for a forward in that league. To me it says that he plays with jam and is a tough hitter as i have seen some of his physical play on line.

  95. Doodie Machetto on

    Jonny, the flip side of the coin is that on any given night, I think our top 6 can control play over the top 6 of almost any team in the east, with only Pittsburgh, Boston, and maybe NJ the only ones who outgun us on both sides of the puck.

    Instead, by waiting for their defensive players to come out to defend our offensive players, we allow THEIR offensive players to control play in our zone. I’d rather be the team leading the attack, not the team looking to defend. Also, it makes it harder for our offensive players to score since they are playing against defensive players.

    Look at Detroit. Do you think they care which line they match up Datsyuk or Zetterberg with? Look at Chicago. Do you think they try and keep guys like Toews and Hossa off the ice for when good offensive players come on?

    We have the players who can play a two way game. They are mixed throughout our top 6, with only Gaborik and Richards being true defensive liabilities. We can play with anybody and control the game.

  96. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, this only applies to players who have played exclusively in Europe, but I’d rather put a kid like Lindberg in the AHL for a couple of weeks to make sure he is acclimated to the smaller ice before just sticking him in an NHL game. But if the kid shows he’s got it, then let him go up.

  97. McD made a couple mistakes, but we’re so used to him not, it’s glaring. He’s still our best Dman, though all played well and Staal last night did himself proud.

    Bickel is here for a reason, but that reason isn’t to take instigator penalties or any penalties, for that matter, unless he takes someone off the ice with him, equal time. I sense he takes his cues tacitly from Torts on when to go unless he, himself, is jumped. Note even Asham’s discipline when in.

    Nash, alone, is almost worth the price of Dolan’s inflated seat glom.

    Too much kneeling in front of Hank. Take the man out, give him a view. Sometimes it’s called for, too often it’s not.

    May as well let -Gorbachev- Gaborik float and find open ice; he never comes out from behind the net with the puck anyway.

    Nash seems to be a good influence on crashing the net. Others have recently followed suit.

    All in MHO.

  98. Doodie Machetto on

    If and when they sign the Hobbit, I’d put him on my fictional third line with Miller and Pyatt. With those two big bodies, MZA’s lack of size won’t be as much of an issue.

  99. Let’s try to maintain a little perspective here. I am well aware of Kaleta’s history and the vulnerable position Richards was in. But the contact was soft and I hardly believe Kaleta is eager to put his team down by 2 men. Calling that one of the most dangerous hits ever!!!! is extremely over the top. Drama queen much?

  100. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Grabby
    Goon league? What the hell man?

    Prust fight with lucic was a win for lucic IMHO but prust hung in there with the bigger stronger lucic.

    That fight absolutely changed the game in montreals favor tho.

  101. Doodie Machetto on

    Michael, the point is, you can’t make contact with a guy in that position, especially when Kaleta had as much time watching Richards in that position as he did.

  102. Czechthemout!!! on

    Jonny D

    Your last post makes zero sense. Our top six doesn’t have to assume a defensive role just because they have control of the puck. Look at the way the Red Wings play and even the “safe is death” TB Lightning team used to play for that Torts not the current Tortorenney iteration we have now. They created offense using puck possession and not the dump and change style that we currently play most of the time.

  103. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Great write up btw carp!!!

    This team is soft as hell and it bums me out.

    I agree Bickel can’t enforce anything from the bench, and that is on the coach and the coach only.

    They need to address toughness way sooner than later.

  104. Doodie Machetto on

    BTW, I do agree with you though that people are making more of this hit than they should. I think it has more to do with everyone’s hatred of Kaleta and of the SD process in general. If this were a first time offender, then I don’t think there would have been as much of a stink. Kaleta is getting the Matt Cooke treatment, albeit not to the same level, where people think Cooke intentionally tried to cut Karlsson because Ottawa and Pittsburgh are such rivals!

  105. Sioux-per-man on

    Crazy – MSG is HD on the MSG channels only. You have to pay the upgrade on the sports package to get the channels. Best money you will ever spend on TV. That way you get the pre game and post game, and you get 20 other “sport” channels. I had to get it for the Sioux games, as well.

  106. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, when is the next Charp? Waiting for a bad loss to drive up the traffic?

  107. Czechthemout!!! on

    Doodie

    I dont believe they play on a larger ice surface in Sweden. In fact I recall when we played there last time they specifically made mentioned of that. Also those two kids that Ottawa brought in for the playoffs certainly worked out well for them. Especially Sifverberg. And we did ok with Kreider too. This year because of the lockout I think that Lindberg and Fasth both will be able to get in a few games to prove they belong. We need one or even both to step up because right now we dont have enough to challenge for the cup. Anything less this year is a disapointment.

  108. Is Bickel really so incompetent that he can’t be trusted to be on the ice for 8 minutes a night? If that’s the case then we really need to get someone that can be trusted for 8 minutes, as a forward, that can agitate and drop the gloves.

    Because of the length of this Asham injury we now know why he wasn’t fighting when he was out there.

  109. Czechthemout!!! on

    Manny

    Sather has to stop squandering precious cap space on 34+ year old goons.

  110. Rob in Beantown on

    Carp, that is too funny re: Miller and the three stars. I guess the sportswriters weren’t awarding J.T. for his 50% faceoff percentage and 3 hits.

    Not getting MSG games in HD on Center Ice is the reason I got the GameCenter package (for phones, tablets, PCs) instead. The quality is pretty good and it would have bugged me to no end watching non-HD games on my HD TV.

  111. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I honestly think a team needs to have 3 guys that can/are willing to fight.

    A top six guy like Simmonds…clowe perhaps

    A bottom six guy, too many to list (perhaps like cccp’s fave prust)…you guys get the idea

    And a D man like engelland for instance

  112. _Does everyone think Halpern couldn’t play more in place of Boyle?_

    Because … why? The same horrific one assist line and doing so against lesser competition to date. Halpern over Boyle is right on the cusp of obvious personal distaste.

  113. Lindberg baby kidnapping. Can’t wait for that kid to excel. I think Fasth might be OK as well (at least better than Thomas looked).

    Totally agree, Czech. Bickel seems like a good option, the coach just doesn’t trust him at all.

  114. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, SEL plays on a 60m by 30m rink. That comes out to about 100ftX200ft (estimating) as opposed to NHL’s 85ftX200ft. Fifteen feet less wide makes the game much faster and considerably can change angles.

    Like I said, I’m not opposed to bringing them up at some point, but before I just slot them into the NHL lineup, I’d just want them to play a few games in the AHL just to make sure they are adjusted to the speed and surface of the North American game. No more than 3 if they show they understand.

  115. Doodie, I agree with you entirely. It was a careless hit, made by a careless player. Perhaps even a dirty player.

    I know Tortorella is very close to Brad Richards, but he has lost his mind. Completely lost his mind.

  116. Sioux-per-man on

    Spot on Cooscoos!

    Can’t wait until McIlrath can be the 7th DMan. Buke should have him ready by next year. It will be nice to have another HAMMER on the bench for Torts!

    Hank’s interview last night was spot on. They need to win these games against “lower” teams in the standings. Still 6 points behind Pittsburg, with 2 games in hand. Everyone is getting “Bettman” points this year, not good when the Rangers win both games and you look at the standing and we are still in 9th.

    Time to put the hurt on Philly tomorrow!!! Boyle – Bickel – Miller – Cally need to crush some bodies tomorrow. Nash – Gabby – Hags – Step should light the lamp several times.

    My favorite games to watch are Rangers/Flyers!!!

    No luck with tickets in Winnipeg this year. So there won’t be any live games for me this year. Unless we win the trip to NY.

  117. Doodie Machetto on

    “Is Bickel really so incompetent that he can’t be trusted to be on the ice for 8 minutes a night?”

    Yes. I wouldn’t trust him with 8 seconds. I swear it’s like the second coming of Hole-weak, except bigger and slower.

  118. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    I was sickened by the kaleta hit. The hit was bad, but the no BS honest assessment of a lack of a reaction by the rangers after the hit from a beat the hell out of someone was what really sickened me!

  119. Doodie Machetto on

    Honestly, if Buffalo was a threat to us for a playoff spot, I would say that they shouldn’t stump as much to have Kaleta suspended because then they would replace him with an actual hockey player and be better as a result. But since they aren’t, suspend his aasen so he doesn’t make any money.

  120. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    The 3rd and 4th lines also grind, forecheck, and cycle, which keeps the puck away from the other teams 1st and 2nd lines and frees up the NYR top lines to actaully score instead of worrying about preventing goals.

  121. Doodie Machetto on

    Too many theys in that sentence. Rangers shouldn’t stump because Buffalo would replace.

  122. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – so do you think Bettman is going to FINE Tort today for the “bleep” word in the interview last night?

    Didn’t the last rant cost him $20k ?

  123. Sioux-per-man on

    Manny I agree! only other player I wish the Rangers had would be Lucic. He is a beast!!!

  124. Rob in Beantown on

    Sioux-per-man, offtopic, but your Sioux are looking pretty good this year. I’m sorry I didn’t get to travel out there when my Terriers played you guys. I want to get to the Ralph someday, I hear it is a great building to watch hockey.

  125. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, except our 3rd and 4th lines don’t grind and forecheck well, and our top two lines can grind and forecheck just fine, and would be able to do it against weaker defensive opponents in most teams’ top 2 lines (Boston, Pittsburgh, and to an extent NJ excluded). Honestly, do you think our top two lines can’t control the game against guys like Kessel, Plekanec, Turris, Skinner, or Kane? Because all of those teams are ahead of us in the standings, and we played like crap against all of them trying to match lines. Why not just go head to head with their top players and say “Our top guys are better than your top guys” because a) they are; and b) trying to match our bottom guys with their top guys hasn’t been working, at all.

  126. Doodie Machetto on

    I should add Philly to the list of teams that have good two-way players in their top 6, now that everyone is healthy, especially Scotty Hartnell.

    It’s funny, when everybody was hurt, Bryz played great. Now that everyone is back, he’s awful again.

  127. Stanger Nation on

    iWicky “Frag Out!!!” March 4th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
    I honestly think a team needs to have 3 guys that can/are willing to fight.
    A top six guy like Simmonds…clowe perhaps
    A bottom six guy, too many to list (perhaps like cccp’s fave prust)…you guys get the idea
    *And a D man like engelland for instance*

    ———————
    so true – our D men, save for when Bickels plays back line do not throw – we may be only team in league without a D man that will drop the gloves….trade MDZ for Carkner

  128. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah blah taking an instigator penalty is a necessity at times. Every so often the 2 points are a little less important (IMHO) than making a “teammate” statement.

    Someone should have had their gloves off by the time they reached kaleta (yes I am aware of who was on the ice when the hit happened and it doesn’t matter, someone HAS to step up there).

    It was the absolute low point of the rangers lack of physical response to me since the gabby/carcillo incident and to me it is worse.

  129. Europansy ice surfaces are generally bigger than VinceA ice surfaces. However, when the Rangers played the NHL games in Europansyland (but not the exhibition stuff), they used the VinceA dimensions.

  130. Czechthemout!!! on

    Gravy

    See the Red Wings, Blackhawks,Kings, TB( cup year). All those teams top six and top 9 forwards can grind when needed. Four of our top 6 possibly 5 and 7 of our top 9 can grind when needed.

    Cally,Hagelin,Stepan,Miller,Nash,Miller,even Richards at times can do it.

  131. Del Zaster a/k/a Grandma Hips tried to fight last night!

    And yes. I agree. But the only guy on the ice who would do that is Cally and I don’t want him leaving the ice for 17 minutes (_see_ Chara last night in Boston who cost his team the game by standing up for Seguin and being out for 17PIMs).

    We really need a D-Man who can fight. The heck with that dumb rule about the D-Men coming below the circles to engage physically after a whistle blah blah blah.

    Wick is 100% correct. We need 3 willing fighters. Therefore, you have one on the ice usually that can do something to Kaleta there.

    Scoring a few goals was cool though. But giving up a shortie sucked. So…..let’s go ahead and drop ’em there and protect Richards.

  132. Czechthemout!!! on

    Garvy

    We have gotten our aasens kicked against teams trying to match our bottom two lines against their top six teams.

  133. Doodie – I agree.

    Czech – didn’t know he filled out that much, he was much smaller when we got him from Phoenix.

    And it’s not that I hate having kids come up, I’d rather see them develop when they are d-men or centers since those are the toughest spots to learn to play at the NHL level because of the speed. If we were looking for wingers, I’d say sure, bring them up since it can’t really hurt their progression much since it’s less defensive responsibilities.

  134. Man do I hate seeing Lucic and Simmonds so often in the same sentence or grouping. One is the perfect example of a physical + talent game and one has all the same talent but uses his physicality in constant unnecessarily dirty ways.

  135. Czechthemout!!! on

    Manny

    Wicki is describing Steve Ott to a tee. Except when he was made available, Sather was out to lunch on a fishing boat in Banff, Ontario

  136. Also (because of an awesome blackout policy that extends to Wilkes-Barre, PA), I missed the game last night, but the replay showed Kaleta out of the picture (presumably racing to the box) almost instantly. If anyone on the ice chases him there, they get 2+5+10, we don’t get the power play, we don’t win. Unfortunately, there’s nothing that could have really been done beyond Nash’s presumed warnings about the future on his way out.

  137. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, don’t forget Pyatt. Dude can hack it on the boards. He’s not a star, but dude can hang.

  138. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    _If this were a first time offender, then I don’t think there would have been as much of a stink._

    But isn’t that kinda the point?

  139. Sioux-per-man on

    Rob – I have seats 4 rows behind the net. If you ever get to ND, I’ll take you to a game. Hands down the nicest HOCKEY arena you will ever see. The ice is rock solid, the fans are always 12,000 strong, marble floors, and 75+ years of tradition. It is truly is a venue you would want to watch your team play in.

    And the Prime Rib sandwich (that will choke a horse) and a tall Leinenkugel for under $20 Bucks.

    Carp would LOVE this place :)

  140. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, Ott required an asset we didn’t have. We traded Anisimov and Dubi for Nash, and given when the Sabres gave up for Ott, the asking price probably would have been one of those two.

    But Konopka would have been perfect. We could have taught him to kill penalties the same way we taught Prust, and not only would we have completely replaced Prust’s fighting and PKs, we would’ve added a guy who can win faceoffs, too.

  141. No pugilists on the ice last night during Richards’ hit. The smartest enforcers, unless it’s a 6-2 game, get in the face of people like Kaleta, humiliate him, and force him to drop gloves or skulk away. The crowd loves a fight, understood, but in a tight game, you need the oxymoron of the “intelligent goon, and I think the coach and the players understand this.

  142. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, no, because some people are characterizing the hit itself as a particularly egregious offense, and I don’t think it was. It was dirty and suspension worthy, but I don’t think people are calling it such an extremely dirty play if it wasn’t a guy like Kaleta delivering the blow.

  143. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    CTO, your point has merit, just don’t think you can survive relying on your top 6 to do everything. Like everything in life, the key is balance.

  144. also, while avoiding the conversation today and the last few days, wanted to point out that Del Zotto and Nash attempted to get at Kaleta, but as always with those cheap-shot artists, the linesmen protect them and lead them to safety. Absolutely the case in this instance. Not that either guy could have done much in a fight.

  145. Anyone here catch the box score for the Columbus / Colorado game last night?

    3 goals scored in the game total. Parenteau, Prospal, and Anisimov.

    Not saying we’re worse off for not having those guys around anymore, but, thought that was pretty funny regardless.

  146. Czechthemout!!! on

    Johnny D

    I think you are thinking about Jasper Fasth. He was like 5 9″ and like 155 lbs when they drafted him. But even he has filled out quite nicely. He is now 5 11″ – 6 0″ and 176-195 depending on the source. He too has nice numbers. 18g 19a 37 pts in 46 games. Only 4 pim which probably means he does not have much of a jam type of game but he can score, has great speed, stickhandling and passing ability. I watched him play in the WJHC last year along with Lindberg both are terrific players.

  147. Doodie Machetto on

    As for someone saying we need a defenseman to throw down, that is simply not true. Most teams do not have a defenseman who throws down because losing a defenseman for 5+ minutes (depending on when the whistle blows after the 5) is much more costly than having a 4th liner who wouldn’t miss a shift as a result of the fight.

    Although, maybe you’re right. That’s probably why Chicago is struggling so much. Or Boston. Or Montreal. Or any team doing well this year. Not enough defensemen fights.

  148. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    DM, I think it’s one of those subtle shoves that guys playing the game know what the result will be. And Kaleta has too much history to suggest he didn’t know what was going to happen. Unlike, say Girardi, who went for a hard hit, but wound up with the impact from behind.

    And, I 100% agree with you on Konopka.

  149. _but I don’t think people are calling it such an extremely dirty play if it wasn’t a guy like Kaleta delivering the blow._

    Because the play itself wasn’t dirty or because you couldn’t be reasonably certain of the intent like you can be with Kaleta?

  150. Rob in Beantown on

    Thanks Sioux-per-man, I might take you up on that. You should come to Boston next season for the return trip. Agganis doesn’t have marble floors and frankly I think some of the program’s tradition is lacking from for decor, but it’s not a bad place to watch a game. A nice deep bowl and excellent sight lines. Just wish the team on the ice were better.

  151. Jack Klompus on

    Carp, the video on blueshirts united and on the postgame last night, of Torts press conference, seemed to dump out or edit some of what Tortorella said. It starts with “its probably one of the most dangerous hits ive seen; same guys” it appears to edit something then “its rediculous. Thats what I thought of it.” Could you shed some light on that? Did he drop the byfugelin or a carcillo?

  152. Doodie Machetto on

    Parenteau has turned into some player. I thought last year was purely the Tavares-Moulson effect, but he’s almost a ppg this year as well, and sure, some of it is Duchene playing better, but I have to wonder if Parenteau isn’t a reason for Duchene’s improvement.

  153. Manny is right about the Chara incident. He stood up, B fans loved it, but it cost them the game.

  154. Czechthemout!!! on

    Carp

    Thanks for the correction. I am actually pretty good at geography except I never heard of Banff until it was mentioned in association to Sather.

    Good catch on MDZ and Nash trying to get at Kaleta.

    I also posted this last night but wanted to reiterate it today. As a very frequent critique of MDZ, I thought he was very good last night. Lets hope he can shut me up about him for anything other than praise.

  155. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, sort of. People transpose an evil intent on Kaleta when if it was just some other guy they would say it was only a reckless play. And I tend to think it was more of the latter from brain-dead player who honestly is too dumb to realize what will happen as a result of the shove. But because it’s Kaleta, people think he intentionally tried to injure Richards, and I don’t think that’s the case. He’s just an idiot.

  156. Doodie Machetto on

    CTO, I agree on MDZ. I thought it was his best game in a while. Although, I thought he was our best defenseman for the first two weeks of the season, both because he was playing well and because our other defensemen, particularly Girardi and Staal, were not.

  157. Doodie Machetto on

    What’d you think, I’ve never ridden in a Cadillac before? Believe me, I’ve ridden in a Cadillac hundreds of times. Thousands.

    What? Do you think you’re such a big shot now because you got a Cadillac?

  158. i don’t disagree, wick. But that guy has to be on the ice at the time of the incident or it doesn’t matter and the odds of your fourth line being on the ice when one of your top guys gets cheap-shotted are pretty slim.

    and even if a goon was out there, Kaleta still does it, then turtles.

  159. Czechthemout!!! on

    IWicki

    Going after a soft czech is about the only fight Rupp won in his time here. Although I get your point.

  160. Sioux-per-man on

    I agree Doodie – But I the Rangers Brass wasted another 1’st Round Pick on McIlrath if he doesn’t pan out next year. Fowler was heads and shoulders above him in value, and NHL readiness. But Gordie wanted a tough DMan down the Road that could clear the crease, and to “catch” Kaleta before he gets off the ice. Now if waiting 4 years for this “Master Plan” to work out, and I REALLY hope it does, he will be the perfect piece for Tort’s team.

  161. Czech – Re: the onerous expense of having a kid as talented as your daughter, it’s not for everyone, but taking out a second mortgage on the house to pay for some college, or etc., lets you deduct the interest on the loan from your taxes. By rights, kid that talented should get a free ride someplace or other.

  162. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, the only response to that isn’t to fight Kaleta, it’s to run one of their “stars.” Just have our guys be looking to line up a guy like Pominville when he takes a pass across the middle and lay him out.

  163. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    That’s the thing…Kaleta has used up his “benefit of the doubt” allocation. Same with Cooke. It’s hard to prove intent, so you have to look at history.

  164. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Mister d
    So you think Simmonds doesn’t use his talent?

    Doodie
    I think you are going to a bit of an extreme with the d man convo. The key word I used was “willing”. I am certainly not advocating a d man (especially top 4) having 22 majors in a season. But having a willing d man who sees the ice a bit more than a bottom line forward that is willing to stand up and hold someone accountable on the ice like kaleta would go a long way!!

  165. Czechthemout!!! on

    Carp

    You have said in the past that the best way to retaliate is to go after the other teams best players. I totally agree. Most times,your tough guy is not on the ice when this type of incident occurs. Go after their top guys sends the message not only for the current game, but also for future games.

  166. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Like I said earlier, they went after their stars, but Vanek was in the press box.

  167. Czechthemout!!! on

    Cooscoos

    Appreciate the tip. I have already explored that option. Thank you though.

  168. Doodie Machetto on

    Sioux, but McIlrath wouldn’t have been anywhere near the ice on a PP.

    This happened while the Rangers were on the PP. Unless you have a guy like Lucic, Simmonds, Clarkson, or Chris Stewart, chances are you don’t have a guy who can fight worth a damn on the ice during a PP anyway. And since those guys are pretty rare, there wasn’t really anything anyone could do about it to Kaleta, feeble attempts by MDZ and Nash aside.

    And Carp, while MDZ and Nash did go over to Kaleta, if they were seriously intent about fighting with him, they could have just dropped the gloves and started throwing, even if Kaleta turtles. I’m looking more at MDZ on that one since Nash staying on the ice for the PP is more important.

    But like I said, I’m fine with neither guy doing anything about it, but I think someone should have lit up Pominville or Gerbe or someone of note on Buffalo.

  169. Yea, Doodie. Del Zaster has to throw the gloves and Carkner Kaleta. Dubinsky would have done it.

  170. Czechthemout!!! on

    Coosvoos

    I am also in the AMT, therefore I wont be able to deduct a home equity loan.

  171. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Carp
    As per the norm, u r 100% correct, the player has to be on the ice to take care of kaleta. If not the case, then someone else takes the initiative on the ice and arrives at kaleta gloves off and with malicious intent.

    Even if he turtles, like u said he is embarrassed.

    I’ll take chara doing what he did in that not very often circumstance and the loss (but with the public notification that we will not tolerate this sort of crap) anytime over the playdoh lack of response.

  172. It was Callahan that went after Kaleta. Which is why I compared to to Chara. Which cost the Bruins the game.

  173. Doodie Machetto on

    Yeah, the response isn’t to punch Kaleta, it’s to start punishing their smaller forwards. Run Gerbe or Ennis into oblivion.

  174. Kaleta broke someone’s jaw before and turtled when he was called to answer the bell for his actions. I think we know the guy who was the victim of the broken jaw…

  175. Sioux-per-man on

    LOL Doodie! That’s why we have 2 right :)

    That’s why we play the games. The next Tatanka game is only 8 days away :)

    It would be nice to see the Piece of Kaleta Play, he will have to answer to someone. Something tells me Bickel will do his best to land one solid punch.

    If we could just dial Boyle up a notch or two, it would be nice to see him hit someone like he use to.

    Tuesday March 12 . . . . Tatanka Time!!!

  176. Czechthemout!!! on

    Kaleta thinks and acts like Avery. Although Avery was a much better player and was never once suspended for a dirty hit.

  177. Interesting Sioux. So if Kaleta had a phone hearing and got 10 games we wouldn’t be able to have Bickel break his face. So by holding a phone hearing, we have a shot at avenging that junk.

  178. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    The stupid cam fowler argument again, lmgo!!!

    The same d man fowler who for every point he gets at the NHL level, he is on the ice for a goal against???

    Ummm no fricking thank you, I’d rather keep the mad bomber.

    And boy he would do great under torts, lmao

  179. Stanger Nation on

    Doodie Machetto March 4th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    As for someone saying we need a defenseman to throw down, that is simply not true. Most teams do not have a defenseman who throws down because losing a defenseman for 5+ minutes (depending on when the whistle blows after the 5) is much more costly than having a 4th liner who wouldn’t miss a shift as a result of the fight
    ———————————————————————-
    The point is not to have a ‘fighting’ d-man, but a d-man who can fight and none of ours do AT ALL.

    Trivia Question: What D-man (not Bicks) led the Rangers over the last three seasons?

  180. AMT has been recently raised, I think, but guessing probably not by enough. Geez, penalties all over for success. What a world.

  181. Sioux-per-man on

    I’ll give Del Zotto credit for trying to get over there. Callahan is worth his weight in gold! Had he caught him AND got the crowd into it……. that would be the place to be. MSG rocks when 18,000 fans are on their feet!!!

  182. Doodie Machetto on

    I imagine our old defenseman fighting leader was Sauer. But I don’t think he threw down all that often either.

    I’d rather have guys that skate well and deliver big hits than a guy who would fight. Punching a turtled Kaleta doesn’t send the message that popping Pominville would have.

  183. _But because it’s Kaleta, people think he intentionally tried to injure Richards, and I don’t think that’s the case. He’s just an idiot._

    I don’t think he intentionally tried to injure Richards, but I also don’t think he really cared if he did or not. And the play was the type where an injury should be reasonably expected. His type of player who constantly commits that type of infraction is the worst. People can dislike goons all they want, but most have a code of ethics.

    (And my comments above were about Lucic not playing the right way or constantly targeting smaller / non-physical players, not Simmonds. I love Simmonds’ game.)

  184. You don’t really have to be on the ice to exact immediate revenge. You just have to be willing to take the automatic 10-game suspension, like Downie and Clowe did. Automatic.

  185. Speaking of Skills Competitions…..

    That Patrick Kane crap is still annoying me. It’s All-Start weekend crap. No place determining a POINT in the standings.

  186. _I’d rather have guys that skate well and deliver big hits than a guy who would fight. Punching a turtled Kaleta doesn’t send the message that popping Pominville would have._

    But this is where it gets blurry. If you have hardnosed, inside-the-rules D-men, they’re already doing this. Any step up is putting a retaliatory target on Pominville and stooping to the Kaleta level. Which, honestly, I’m not even sure I’m against given that there seems to be zero other way to protect your guys from a player like Kaleta than to take out his teammates. Its the same thing I’ve been harping on with a Flyers fan friend; at some point Giroux is going to get seriously run by someone fed up with Rinaldo who knows that taking a penalty against Rinaldo does nothing to even the score.

  187. Also, Avery had a sense of humor. He was annoying and dirty and I doubt he ever hurt anyone in the manner of Tie Domi.

  188. Sometimes my fingernails are more greasy dirty than germy dirty, and rarely fetid dirty

  189. _Avery was more sneaky dirty than reckless dirty, and rarely dangerous dirty._

    I’ve said this same thing so much I should just get a tattoo of it. The reason Avery never received a suspension for a hit wasn’t because the NHL chose to never suspend him, its because he rarely took that kind of liberty. He was only a risk to opponents’ mental health, not their physical health.

  190. Staal was the Rangers best player last night. Not to take anything away from Nash who was great for most of the game but the Rangers don’t make it to the overtime or the shootout with Staal.

    The thing about the shootout is it’s definitely crap, but given all we hear about what this team’s identity is, it means a lot of games are and should be decided by the shootout.

  191. Wait. Didn’t we have a hard-nosed D-Man throw a big hit? Isn’t that why some people think Girardi should be suspended as well?

  192. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    JR – “irregardless of any situation, it is inacceptable as a result”

  193. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    Not only do you go after kaleta, but you also run pomminville. Zero reason to not do BOTH.

    Anyone see kaleta’s response on woywitka—>?

    Edmonton needed grit and toughness to help protect their skill players so they traded for brown from toronto, watch out slats, they are coming after our tough guys next…oh wait

  194. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, I wouldn’t call what Nash did there trying to get at him. There were two refs and fifteen feet of ice between them at all times.

  195. No, Seriously. *We had a D-Man throw a big hit.* And he did it to Tyler Ennis. I don’t even, personally, think there was anything dirty about it. I didn’t even think it _should_ be a penalty. Guy turned into the hit.

  196. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    manny
    vibin’

    No reason to have the Kane/skills competition BS determining squat except an all star weekend score.

    I’d rather have a tie game

  197. Doodie Machetto on

    Wicky, yes, Mike Brown will score a goal for Nugent-Hopkins and be the bottom 4 defensemen that Edmonton needs. Watch them turn it around!

  198. Girardi hit was boarding no matter how you slice it, Manny

    the difference is that it didn’t have the maliciousness of Kaleta’s crosscheck to Richards

  199. Vibe on with me, Wick.

    Patrick Kane should be the poster boy for banning the skills competition.

  200. Lloyd – I used language very carefully. I said, ” I didn’t even think it _should_ be a penalty.” Maybe it’s a penalty in today’s game. But it should not be. It’s not dangerous.

  201. putting a guy’s head face-first into the glass isn’t dangerous? you’re sound like Chico now

  202. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, he turned into the hit, but Girardi had enough of time to let up, although not avoid contact, and instead still exploded his arm out once contact was made. I was OK with the two minutes. If he just collides with Ennis and doesn’t extend the arm to finish the hit, then I would say no penalty. But I think he had enough time to recognize not to finish that check.

  203. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    What if the NHL did this…

    2 points for a regulation win
    1 point for an overtime win
    0 points for a tie or any type of loss…

    one 10 minute overtime period in the regular season

    There is still a “Tie” column in the standings and that is used as a tie breaker only. At the end of the season, if two teams are tied in points and one team has 5 ties and the other has 3, the team with 5 ties gets the nod.

  204. Doodie Machetto on

    Wicky, wouldn’t it be the team with less ties, because by definition that team would have more wins?

  205. Girardi’s hit was an old fashioned boarding call…he wasn;t like these other shmohawks who are getting whistled for “intent to maim”. Just give the guy a one year ban and it’ll become a much safer game…maybe even too safe…we also don’t want guys to play in the pennant race as if it’s the All Star Game

  206. Doodie Machetto on

    Oh wait, I see whta you’re saying.

    I think it just confuses the standings even more. We would be back to the 4 column standings, except it would be W-OTW-L-T

  207. My point on that hit is that Girardi hit him low. He hit him in the lower back / hip. It’s not like he dangerously hit a guy up high and toppled him into the boards. If Ennis isn’t a total feather in the wind, he holds his ground there. But he’s a tiny little man who falls over from being hit in the hip. And he falls into the boards. Fine, call it boarding, but it’s not a dangerous play. If Girardi does that to say, Tyler Myers, he doesn’t even fall over.

  208. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    Doodie
    Clearly you don’t see the obvious necessity of guys like brown, so keep looking through those bettman glasses. You don’t have to like those type players and that is fine, but the fact that you don’t seem to think they are necessary is more than mildly amusing to me.

    Perhaps you would like to see them take all the emotion and contact out of the NHL, which is fine if that is what you want from the NHL.

    That will be the time I quit watching the game.

    When did brown move to D?

  209. Wicky, as long as you get rid of the shootout and bring back ties and actually have an OT that isn’t so complicated with rules that a new fan would just turn the tv off out of confusion because their kid asked, “Daddy, why are there 5 no 3 no 4 no 3 men on the ice?”

  210. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    Doodie
    you may be correct on the standings thing, it was just a thought

    And i agree with you on the Nash assessment re kaleta

  211. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    I also didn’t see a problem with the girardi hit…at all.

    Tiki
    I thought your comment at 12:05 was perfect

    Manny
    I’d be fine with that as well re the bringing back of ties

  212. Keep everything as is, make regulation wins worth 3, OT/shootout wins worth 2. The end. 1 point in OT means a lot less when its worth 1/3 of a win versus 1/2.

  213. _I’d be fine with that as well re the bringing back of ties_

    I like ties too, but I like hockey. I was at the SWB Penguins game two nights ago and the impact of the shootout on casual fans is real. Or, as Missus D put it, “that’s the only time I really paid attention”.

  214. Sioux-per-man on

    We won’t get a chance at Kaleta right away if he gets 4 games. Their 4th game is against the Rangers. Watch he will get 4 games…… so the turtle can stay in his shell awhile longer!!!

    Just don’t hurt Stafford, he’s a class act, and another Player from the Fighting Sioux factory!!! It was Bitter sweet watching Stafford Score against the Rangers, glad to see he gets a goal, AND the Rangers get the 2 points!

    He was a Solid player for the Sioux, nice to see him have success in the NHL. And if he can score against the King, I’ll tip my hat to him.

  215. I think OT should go on until someone scores. Start 4 on 4 and force each team to remove a player from the ice every 10 minutes…soon it’ll be Hank on Brodeur

  216. Rob in Beantown on

    If regulation wins are worth 3 and OT wins are only worth 2 you’re penalizing the winning team, which is equally dumb as awarding the losing team.

    I think correct answer is simple. 2 points for a win, 0 for a loss, 1 for a tie. No shootouts.

    If we absolutely need to have shootouts, the losers’ bonus point should be awarded at the completion of OT instead of at the end of regulation. I hate that it gets awarded at the end of regulation.

  217. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    lars eller seems a bit more chippy this season, i wonder if it has to do with that other guy on his line?

  218. Rob in Beantown on

    4×4 OT for 10 minutes. No shootouts.

    2 points for the winner, 0 for the loser, 1 each if its still tied after 4×4 for 10 minutes.

  219. _If regulation wins are worth 3 and OT wins are only worth 2 you’re penalizing the winning team, which is equally dumb as awarding the losing team._

    You’re penalizing them for not winning in regulation, correct. If your potential points decrease after 60:00, logic dictates you’d more often work harder to get those regulation points. Right now a team knows it can shut down for the last 10:00, lock up in OT and have a shootout worth the same as regulation. That’s the problem.

  220. I think each player should be forced to chug one beer every two minutes until someone scores

  221. Speaking of Chippy. The Phlyers are probably looking to get physical against us. Look for Grossman to be throwing some hip checks around the player benches.

  222. Sioux-per-man on

    I don’t know a “stinger” to the neck hurts like hell right away. I’m still surprised he came back, AND played on the power play.

    Hmmmmm seems to me we scored 2 quick goals without him….. just saying.

    NOW, this hit did WAKE the Rangers up, and they fired a couple quick goals in right away. It was nice to see the Rangers answer, and get the 2 pts.

  223. what this team needs is some 3rd line scoring. other teams can gameplan to shut down our top 2 lines with little fear of our bottom two lines producing anything…. except for one o’boyle shot on goal every 5th game

  224. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    And just an FYI, I’m NOT at work today!

    Is everyone else off today as well?

  225. Wicky©This team is too soft...bring back the Rupp! on

    Does anyone think adding antropov again would be a good idea?

  226. Sioux-per-man on

    Crazy – correct! That’s why I changed to Direct TV! To get MSG, and the FSN sports channels, its the sports package. Best decision I’ve ever made. Direct has way more HD channels. But I enjoy the pre and post game coverage, as much as the game itself. That and a chance to DVR the Sioux & Rangers games in case I miss one of them.

    You can use my referral number #46315738 & Roxanne Miller. That way we both get $100, off our bill. Bonus :) Accounts under the wife’s name.

  227. DirecTV is a billionty times better than any cable I’ve had. As soon as we have a real house again, the DTV will be back.

  228. Sioux-per-man on

    Crazy the wife says I had to give up poker or Hockey. They take up way too much of my time when you add them up.

    So I taught her how to play poker :)

    Explained the game of hockey to her. Took her to the Sioux games, now she gets it.

    And She’s the one that bought the tickets to New York with seats on the glass, at MSG. Without even telling me.

    I know this sounds like a direct TV commercial…. but it could be the recipe to living happily ever after :)

  229. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – how long do you think it will be till the Rangers tell Miller to get the apartment??? If so do you think he will keep #47?

  230. If I were the Rangers I would tell Miller to have gotten an apartment about 3 games ago. The kid is here to stay (for the season. Del Zaster taught us that you never know about the sophomore slump).

  231. Doodie Machetto on

    Wicky,

    Going back to Mike Brown, first, I didn’t say he was a defenseman. What I was doing was pointing out that Edmonton isn’t losing games because it doesn’t have a fighter, it’s losing games because the star players are underperforming, particularly RNH, and because their bottom 4 defensemen are fringe NHL players.

    And I love contact, hitting, and fighting, but having/not having a goon doesn’t make a difference to whether a team wins on most nights. Sure, some nights having that extra toughness can put you over the edge, but most times, you just want to have the players that score more goals than the other team.

  232. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Yes, if there must be shootouts…

    3 points for regulation or OT win, 2 points for SO win, 1 point for shootout loss. Talk about dramatic OT’s when fighting for a playoff spot with a 3 point swing on the line.

    I’d be OK with 2 points for OT win and 1 point for OT loss, so long as each game is worth the same amount of points in the standings.

  233. Doodie Machetto on

    2 points for a win, 0 for a loss, period. Let’s see how many teams want to gamble on the shootout when they get a 0 for losing in one.

  234. So why don’t we just have the teams play Regulation. If it’s tied, they can decide to call it a day and each walk away with a point. Or they can continue to OT. At the end of OT they can again decide to split the 2 points at 1 a piece. Or they can risk it all and go to the shootout where winner gets 2 and loser gets 0.

    It’s like settling an NBA game by playing Around the World. You can even risk it this way.

  235. Rob in Beantown on

    I like it Manny. I would just add that at the beginning of the game after the national anthems, the captains can decide whether they want to play at all. If not, both teams can take a point and go home.

  236. Wouldn’t we just have a ton of games late in the season where teams on either side of the 8 spot just play for that one point to avoid not getting zero points?

  237. czechthemout!!! on

    3 points for OT or regulation win. 1 point for a shoot out win. 0 points for a loss. No more playing for shootouts. Teams must go all out for 3 point wins to get closer in the standings. It will increase the scoring in the game and put less value on Bettman bonus point wins. Just look at all the shootout wins in the league this season. Way too many bad teams playing not to lose just to get a point and hold on in the standings.

  238. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, because the NHL doesn’t like ties.

    So if they want to keep the shootout, make a win a win, and a loss a loss. No more BS 3 point games, no more points for losing. A win is a win and a loss is a loss.

    Or, the best option, bring back ties and get rid of the shootout.

    Or maybe they can make OT like college football OT. Do alternating PPs or something. That would be a lot of fun, but the Rangers would never win after OT ended ever again.

  239. Rob in Beantown on

    Maybe the teams should play unlimited overtimes, but after each OT the stakes get higher. So if you win in the first OT you get 3 points. If it goes to two, it’s 4 points. The catch is, in each OT it’s winner take all. The teams can, after any overtime, decide just to split the points of the previous OT threshold (think Who Wants to Be a Millionaire). This will add a whole new level of strategy and make playoff hunts way more exciting.

  240. Good afternoon, Carp!

    Always love getting a lot of “Don’t even talk to me”s from my coworkers after the Rangers beat Buffalo. Love it!

  241. Manny – And when the game goes to a shootout, the home team’s staff gets to choose their own three stars! If that girl is there every game, I’m sure her arm will get caught in the door one of these times. Watch out for angry Dubis!

  242. Sioux-per-man on

    Shootout is here to stay. Personally I’m fine with it. It is an advantage Rangers with Hank in the net. We didn’t even get to our 3rd shooter last night, and the game was won. They had Miller going in as the 3rd shooter. I was surprised it wasn’t Gaborik.

    Carp – any thoughts on why Torts put down Miller over Gaborik last night. Even though we didn’t get to him.

  243. donald downer on

    Completely agree Nash is a monster. Very fun to watch.

    Gaborik needs to let er rip. He’s gettin a bit too cute with the puck.

    I think the PP is much better without Richards, as proven yesterday.

  244. Rob in Beantown on

    I got it. If the game doesn’t end in regulation, both teams lose a point. We’ll see how many games go to OT now.

  245. Doodie Machetto on

    Yes, the shootout is such an advantage since last season we were 4-5 and this year we are 2-2. Sure, the year before they were 9-3, but the year before that we missed the playoffs on the last game of the season because we lost to the Flyers in a shootout and finished the season 3-4.

    Get rid of this pointless garbage.

  246. Sioux-per-man on

    It will NEVER happen Doodie. Too much of a fan favorite. Bettman likes it because it keeps all the teams close in the standings. No team is ever really out of it untill the last two weeks of the year.

    And we should have beat Philly that year!!! The Rangers had pleanty of opportunities that game!

  247. Did Cally’s shoot out goal look a small bit like Kane’s with the leg action?

  248. Just because cap space is precious doesn’t mean you can’t a few players that can skate, fight, take the body and score, all in the same uniform.

    Every other team seems to have players like that. For some reason, we do not.

    Name me ONE top six forward on the Rangers that would be willing to drop the mittens or get rough with an opposing player outside of Ryan Callahan. The answer is there isn’t one.

    And there isn’t one on the defensive side either. I can’t even recall a time Staal, McD, MDZ, Stralman or Girardi even considered dropping the mitts, let alone look at another player with a scowl on their face. Maybe Girardi.

    The point is outside of Boyle (who can’t fight at all), there is Aaron Asham, and he’s hurt. You have to look to our captain, who does everything else for this team, so I guess he would fight if he HAD to.

    Miller, Stepan, Nash, Gabby, Richards, the center from Princeton, Halpern, Powe, Hagelin… ain’t getting much out of those guys the the form of physicality. Pyatt? Nope.

    Team is too soft and Torts has nowhere to go.

    Oh, I forgot Bickel, and he never plays.

  249. Doodie Machetto on

    coos, no. Cally showed Miller the stutter, dropped shoulder, shot over the goaltender’s shoulder move that he had done three times this year. Miller even seems to drop his blocker a little bit to tempt Callahan to try the shot there, but then Callahan faked the shot and went deke to the glove side, leaving Miller’s expectations and his jock somewhere in the rafters.

  250. Sorry if this is posted already: Earlier today Patrick Kaleta spoke with the Buffalo media about his boarding of Brad Richards. Among other things, this complete jerkwagon said “I just play hard, and I was on the penalty kill trying to do my job.”

    Asked if he had message for Richards, apparently he paused then said “I’m good for now”

    One day this piece of crap who should have been suspended right out of the NHL years ago will get his and that day will be a very good day indeed…

  251. Doodie Machetto on

    “Just because cap space is precious doesn’t mean you can’t a few players that can skate, fight, take the body and score, all in the same uniform.”

    vogs, who does it for Chicago? I heard they’re playing well this year. Is it Rozsival?

  252. Doodie Machetto on

    What about Detroit for the past decade? I heard they’ve been pretty good over that time span. It’s Ian White, right?

  253. ALL of those mentioned are capable of getting “rough” with an opponent and to give as well as to take. No need for any of our valuable guys to become boxers.

  254. Doodie Machetto on

    Columbus had 57 fights last season, good for third in the NHL. They had a good season last year, right?

  255. Doodie Machetto on

    Columbus, carrying over their success from last year, is tied for the lead this season with 22. They’re going to be a contender this year, correct?

  256. wicky+manny multiplied by doodie, times the difference between 1/8 cccp, 3/4ths wicky and 2/3rds ilb, times the division of tiki and a half a cup of sally, plus 2 tablespoons of mama= 100% pure bonehead bliss

  257. Matty"MonsterNash"Boy on

    Ok, so “hearing” about to begin by phone with Kaleta. Does he get suspended? If so, how many days?

    Let’s remember back to the famous ‘Alfie’ hit by Hags. Hags was a first time offender, an injury occurred, he left his feet, etc., and because he hit a ‘icon’, he was suspended 3 playoff games.

    Kaleta is a repeat offender, he CLEARLY boarded with his CROSS CHECK, but Richards, while one of the highest paid players in hockey, is not an ‘icon’. He also plays for a ‘banned’ team by the league offices.

    Should be interesting. I’ll say……the rabbit out of the hat…is……………..ta da!! TWO GAMES.

  258. Doodie Machetto on

    Stranger, I’m not sure if he will be able to use a knife when it’s strapped to his foot.

  259. Doodie Machetto on

    Matty, I think it’s two games, and it’s because he’s a repeat offender. If he wasn’t Shanahan wouldn’t do anything because Richards came back. No concussion=nocare by DPS because it’s not about safety, it’s about covering their ass from future lawsuits.

  260. tralman or Girardi even considered dropping the mitts, let alone look at another player with a scowl on their face. Maybe Girardi.

    tell that to gaborik!

  261. I hope Kaleta gets 3 games so he can get back in the lineup in time for the Rangers to give him some revenge.

    Hopefully Asham is back by then…

  262. Can’t wait for that 2 game suspension and $7500 fine announcement on Kaleta…

  263. Doodie, over 60% of Columbus’ fights in 2011-2012 were fought by Derek Dorsett and Jared Boll. Don’t really think either of them are the kind of player vogs was describing.

  264. Matty"MonsterNash"Boy on

    Oleo, big tough Aaron Asham. Phew, bet Kaleta is shaking already. Lol!

  265. Similarly, over half their fights this season have been contested by those same two players.

  266. No statistical correlation (either way) this year when looking at fights per game and points per game. Next up, last year …

  267. Doodie – Are you serious? Cleary, Abdelkader, Bertuzzi… do I have to go on?

    Chicago – Mayers, Carcillo, Bollig

    And it’s not goons I want, but guys who are tough and aren’t afraid to mix it up, if need be. Not out there looking to fight, but not afraid of it either. Rangers roster is lacking in that department.

    Heck even the Penguins, Kennedy, Adams, Letang, Neal I have seen em all drop the mitts and take their medicine.

    We don’t get close to that!! Rangers soft and easy to play against. Any top tier team is either conference can push us around. And you’re blind if you can’t see it.

  268. i read more on here about toughness, fighting and turtling than i do about goal scoring. thank god goal scoring doesnt win hockey games.

  269. Doodie Machetto on

    Latona, my point is that outside of three or four players, no team has a player who takes a regular shift and also fights more than 6 or 7 times in a season.

    And you do not need a guy who is a fighter, taking a regular shift or otherwise to be successful. You just don’t. Give me a guy who can throw a body check over a guy who can throw a fist 10 times out of 10.

  270. Stronger positive correlation last year of 0.14 (compared to 0.6 this year). Not meaningful.

  271. Completely a valid point to make, Doodie, and one I agree with, but it was somewhat of a non sequitur considering the excerpt of vogs’ post you were responding to.

  272. Grabby is right. About Bonehead bliss.

    Fighting doesn’t translate directly to wins. But you can’t deny that last night, when Richards got assaulted and the team kind of reacted that they got fired up. And what looked like a sure loss turned into a determined win (except for that short handed goal).

    It’s all about riling out team into caring and giving MAX effort always.

  273. Matty"MonsterNash"Boy on

    For many reasons, the WORST thing for Richards to do was to get up and play 2 minutes later:

    1. It killed our PP because when he’s on point, we’re awful. I wonder if guys like Nasher,
    Step, Hags, were thinking “oh, no, not him again!!” (lol)

    2. Given the comments Shanahahahahan has made, no injury, no suspension. Unless repeat
    offender. Unfortunately, Kaleta needs to be suspended in the hopes it will make him
    wise up and respect his fellow players.

    3. It is possible he might have delayed symptoms and further hurt himself. To be fair, the
    way he ‘played dead’ after that his, he must have, at least, thought he should be
    hurt badly.

  274. Asham is about Rocky Marciano’s size. It’s all in how you take ’em and how you throw ’em.

  275. I love frontier justice, so regardless of suspension or no suspension, I hope a Rangers kicks Kaleta’s kaleta next time they play.

  276. Matty"MonsterNash"Boy on

    We had a rare blend that Chicago, Boston, Philly, have this year (others, too), in that they have a few guys in the lineup that play a good deal AND can fight.

    We are not as balanced in that department this year and it could be to our detriment.

    One would expect our GM is aware of the fact he has destroyed team chemistry in this area of the game and is looking for some help defending his top finesse players that can’t and shouldn’t get physical out there.

  277. _To be fair, the way he ‘played dead’ after that his, he must have, at least, thought he should be hurt badly._

    That was my take too, it wasn’t that he was trying to embellish, he was just sure he had to be hurt. Like post-car accident or something.

  278. Matty"MonsterNash"Boy on

    So, it’s 4:10. The ‘hearing’ is probably over. Conversation goest like this:

    Shanahahahahan: “So, Patrick, do you understand you shouldn’t be doing things like this again?”
    Kaleta: “Yup”.
    Shanahahahan: “Talk to ya in a week or so”
    Kaleta: “Yup”

  279. It’s not acceptable on here to question the effort level of our team. they are always giving max effort. hehe.

    seriously though, if our team needs a teammate to be brutalized as richards was to put forth max effort, then they’re in a world of trouble.

  280. No way Richards was embellishing or playing. That hit was absolutely brutal. I can’t even imagine what his lower back immediately felt like. I can’t even sit down and stand up without groaning. That was brutal. And his wrists. And his head getting whipped into the boards face first. I am pretty sure he was laying there going, “I’m OK. Please. I’m OK. Right? Please. Come on, Brad. Be OK”

  281. Doodie Machetto on

    Latona, I didn’t think it was a nonsequitur. My point was that the teams that fight a lot are teams that have goons that purely fight, while teams that don’t have those goons don’t fight very much at all. The type of player that vogs was saying we needed to have frankly doesn’t exist outside of a very small handful of guys, and even among those guys, maybe 2 or 3 fight more than 7 times a season.

    Basically, the only guys I can think of that fit that mold are Prust, Thornton (whose utility outside of fighting has been waning), Ott (likewise), Campbell, and Neil.

    Simmonds and Hendricks are becoming that player also. Simmonds because he is fighting more. Hendricks because he is becoming better at hockey.

    Sure, guys like Lucic can throw down, but his past 3 years he’s only had 4, 7, and 6 fights because when you’re a good player, you’re more valuable on the ice than off.

  282. Doodie Machetto on

    Matty, what are you talking about? Who did we have last year that could play worth a damn and fight other than Prust? And don’t tell me Dubinsky because he’s never been a good fighter and for most of last season he wasn’t a good player, either.

  283. Dubinsky is NOT a good fighter but man he stands up for his teammates. If he was on the ice when Kaleta did that he would have been immediately tackled and hugged by Dubinsky.

  284. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I’m surprised Dubinsky didn’t get beat up by the Gatorade cooler.

    Nothing is worse than fighting in revenge and being embarrassed. It’s like when Gaustad fought Lucic after he ran over Miller. Nothing will embolden someone more than knowing they have bested the best the other side has to offer.

    It was like Toronto against Montreal when Colton Orr was laughing at Rene Bourque’s attempt to fight him after he tried to run Plekanec.

  285. bull dog line on

    I think the Rangers are in the process of changing who they are, and with that, I am not sure Boyle fits anymore. Boyle plays more of a grinding game. I think the Rangers are becoming less about grinding, and more about skill. I hope he can find a role and be here when they win. my gut says he won’t be.

  286. Doodie Machetto on

    bull dog, he still has a role as a PK guy. Still need those. Plus, he can take an ES shift without being a liability. Sure, it’s really unlikely that he scores, but at least it’s conceivably possible and he isn’t a huge risk for a goal against or a stupid penalty like Bickel. You need guys like that in the lineup in case someone gets hurt and you have to adjust your lines.

    I think Boyle would be an excellent 4th liner on a good team. The problem is we have him playing the 3rd line.

  287. and we would have lost some of our power play time if Dubi did that. we got the best revenge, taking the lead and ultimately winning the game

  288. LMGerbeO at the Cooler comment. It’s true. That bounce and splash back was almost serious.

    But I don’t think Dubinsky ever got embarrassed. He was just a big hugger and face washer. He would have made Kaleta uncomfortable for a few minutes. And Kaleta turtles anyways.

  289. Any team that is good has to combine grinding and skill. You can’t be all one thing and none of another.

    It’s like when Maloney said the Rangers need to create an identity around Nash. Which is horrifying to me because it sounds like OvechCan’t and the Crapitals. You cannot have a team based around an unbalanced effort.

  290. See, that’s the right sort of Boyle post. And as a big Boyle fan (/ apologist, I know, Lloyd), I don’t disagree. When it looked like we were a move away from a Pyatt-Boyle-Powe 4th I was thrilled, that’s the sort of 4th a team with awesome depth runs out. My arguments now are that he is and should be our 3rd line center simply because he’s the best option this roster. If we get Weiss from Florida (for Asham and the rights to that terrible Rangers song), I’m not going to complain that Boyle is getting screwed.

  291. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, before I clicked it, I said to myself, it better be Avery-Talbot.

    As for Dubi, he lost a fight to Mike Green, which is pretty embarrassing.

  292. Well said, The Doctor. Boyle is a 3rd line Center at his best. When he’s not playing that great he’s an above average 4th line Winger.

    Stephen Weiss = Yes, Please.

  293. Mike Richards embarrassed Dubinsky early on in their fighting careers, Manny, but Dubinsky seemed to be getting the better of him towards the end of his tenure in orange crud.

  294. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister, JT Miller is our best option for 3rd line center. He looks good enough defensively (definitely has some things to learn, but put him with a guy like Pyatt to cover his shortcomings), he is REALLY strong, and he has some offensive upside.

  295. Doodie Machetto on

    the Semin bongo was funny on its own.

    And I’m not an Avery guy by any means, but that was Avery at his absolute best.

  296. Well put. I am *not* an Avery guy. But that is absolutely hysterical and totally him at his best.

    Second best is when he enters the Dressing Room first and smirks at Anisimov after the sniper incident on 24/7. Classic Avery.

  297. JT Miller is on my top 5 under 21 (either gender) list and that’s just asking way too much. Boyle is at 38% offensive zone starts, Miller is at 66%. You’re taking a 19 year old doing solid in a tough role and asking him to exponentially up the difficulty. He will be our best 3rd line option (at worst) down the line but now isn’t the right time.

  298. Doodie Machetto on

    The Avery Screen was my favorite Avery moment. As it unfolded, I said to myself that this would either be called a penalty or completely revolutionize the game. Unfortunately, it was the latter, but I give him full credit for thinking outside of the box.

  299. bull dog line on

    I like Miller better at center as well. Torts seems more comfortable with him on the wing. Miller as the 3, and Boyle as the 4 makes a lot of sense.

  300. Re: Avery – Let me know the next time anyone on this Ranger roster “bumps” an opposing player after the whistle. I won’t hold my breath.

    We have the most polite team in the league. “oops, sorry Mr. Flyer, I didn’t mean to run into you after the whistle.”

    Bleh!

  301. Oh, right. Duh, Doodie. That moment is classic. It gave birth to a stupid and pointless rule.

  302. “Sean Avery’s tactics of screening the goaltender are like nothing I have ever seen before…”

  303. “I guess fatso there, just forgot to shake my hand. And they say I have no class.”

  304. Rob in Beantown on

    My comment is awaiting moderation, so I’ll restate:

    Avery’s screen of Brodeur was superbly jerkish. I agree he should be commended for thinking outside the box that one time, but I’m glad the NHL wasted no time judging it illegal. It would have been terrible in the long run if it caught on.

    Did seriously nobody ever think to do that before?

  305. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, has he done anything to suggest he couldn’t handle it other than being young? Just because he’s been shielded doesn’t mean he can’t handle more.

  306. Doodie Machetto on

    “Re: Avery – Let me know the next time anyone on this Ranger roster “bumps” an opposing player after the whistle. I won’t hold my breath.”

    Nobody on any team does it anymore because of pansification. Nobody wants to take a penalty for it.

  307. Doodie Machetto on

    Seems like a decent flier. If anything, restock the system at the lower levels.

  308. from now on the Rangers press releases should just say, “Rangers sign who?”

  309. _Mister D, has he done anything to suggest he couldn’t handle it other than being young? Just because he’s been shielded doesn’t mean he can’t handle more._

    Not at all, pure speculation on my side that what Boyle does right on D can’t easily be filled in by a 19 year old with about a dozen games experience.

  310. Doodie Machetto on

    So let him have a go, because if he can do what Boyle does, it will be a huge improvement since he does so much more than Boyle cannot.

  311. And if he can’t, you’re losing on the ice and potentially off it (depending on how much you believe you can stunt a player’s growth).

  312. would anyone do Gaborik for Dan Boyle? Buccigross floated that rumor in offseason. i wouldnt.

  313. Doodie Machetto on

    Buccigross knows nothing about hockey. He’s been riding being the host of NHL 2nite for the past 15 years as a reason for people to listen to him, and every year, he becomes worse and worse.

    He picked Minnesota to win the Cup this year. MINNESOTA.

  314. Say what you want to praise Dubinsky. If he were still here this season and had one goal like he currently does, pretty much everyone here would want him gone. It wouldn’t matter if he fought Kaleta, Hartnell, Lucic, Pacioretty and Cooke so far this season.

  315. Actually, no one would want him gone he WOULD be gone because if he fought all those guys this season he’d be dead. So I’m not sure if his contract would come off the books but we definitely wouldn’t have Nash. So…

  316. Well at the time the Wild had Parise and Suter. That seemed like a bit of an improvement. Then when you add John Mitchell, predict, in advance, the Rupp trade and assume that Harding has to be replaced with a goaltender without MS. How could it go wrong?

  317. Oh. Right. Why am I thinking of the Aves and Wild as the same team.

    Oh yea, they both suck.

    Who cares about the other 5 guys. They have STONER. And that name alone should equate to some W’s.

  318. I don’t see it as a no harm, no foul when you’re playing in a short season with a 19 year old’s confidence/development.

  319. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, I think his confidence will be fine. You don’t give these kids enough credit. I’m talking about 5 games where he might struggle, not 5 years of mismanagement like you see on the Islanders.

    People used to talk about not ruining confidence under the Renney regime, so instead he ruined their confidence by never playing them (aka, Prucha). As soon as he was gone and Torts showed no fear in playing kids, look how many of our homegrown talents took enormous leaps in quality.

  320. didn’t have a chance to go through comments
    been a loopy night/day
    couldn’t sleep and had to pick up jpg’s wife
    at the airport. so i’m running on less than 3 hours of zzzzzz’s now
    so
    did anyone bring up Milbury’s comments about Kaleta hit?

  321. I really don’t even disagree, Doodie, I just don’t see the risk (goals allowed, potentially temporarily affecting Miller) worth the rewards, mostly because I don’t think Boyle playing net even minutes against far more dangerous opponents is a bad thing.

  322. also
    anyone know anything about
    today’s signing
    Josh Nicholls

    is he going to be the pp specialist we’ve all been looking for to save the day?
    or
    a jersey filler in CT?
    or…..?

  323. Well, I guess its sub-even, but mostly over a bad stretch by the team as a whole and in instances where sub-even is probably the expectation.

  324. If they were considering more than 5 games, he would have had to appear in person. Once it was announced as a phone discussion, he got it all.

  325. So he’ll be back in 5 games and he’ll throw another cheap shot at someone before the month of March is over. Thata boy Shanny. You keep urinating on your own reputation as someone to be respected in this league.

  326. did not know that Coos. Whatever. It is what it is. At least there was some kind of disciplinary action as a result of a cheap shot.

  327. Josh Nicholls:

    An interesting combination of size and speed, Nicholls is a two-way forward who displays some offensive upside. He is able to line-up both at center and on the right-wing. Very thin at the moment being only 186lbs and 6’2 so weight will be a priority over the next two seasons. Not a physical force, but forechecks well. He has developed into a well-rounded forward over the last few seasons; dangerous in all areas of the ice.

    A long-term project with intriguing upside, Nicholls will spend the 2012-13 season in the WHL where he will continue maturing. Nicholls will continue his prominent offensive role with Saskatoon this season.

    Projection: Versatile two-way forward with size.

    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/josh_nicholls/

  328. don’t know why Shanny hasn’t taken a network job. i would think he’d be good at it.
    there must be something about his current position that makes all the gruesome overlooking of thug acts worthwhile.
    maybe he gets really good health insurance?

  329. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    If we mock anyone over the semin bongo attack it should be “tough” d man Staal for getting his aasen kicked by semin

  330. i’m glad he got 5
    expected 2
    and don’t understand
    that if he’s been a repeat offender
    as well as known for other questionable actions
    that weren’t looked at
    then why stop at 5?

  331. The Nicholls deal effects our cap? So that means we think he’s going to come up?

  332. and probability of success = C

    willing to bet whatever that we never hear this guy’s name again

  333. Sioux-per-man on

    Josh Nicholls has 41 goals, which puts him 3rd in the WHL. over 300 pts, only 9 players have done that for the Blades. Looks like a player that has some speed. He could help the Whale, and grow into a Ranger jersey down the road.

  334. Kaleta’s ignorance cost him 76 grand, to boot. His wife: ‘can’t you just play nice like everyone else?’

  335. Sioux-per-man on

    Nicholls is just one of 50 contracts the Rangers have. He doesn’t start his first year until he plays pro hockey. Standard deal, just as if we signed someone we drafted. I’m guessing he will get a shot to play some games for the Whale once his season is over with the Blades.

    Now does Shane McColgan have a deal with the Rangers. I don’t think so, he is drafted but not signed. Nicholls was drafted in 2010 by Toronto but not signed.

  336. Yea. He gets more in fines because of the status. It’s all part of the NHL’s attempt to be the most confusing league, rule-wise, as possible. If you need more examples please turn to the section on OT rules, specifically PP and 2-Man Adv.

  337. Sioux – Actually, as I learned from the Flyers signings last week, Nicholls contract wouldn’t count as one of the 50 until next season (or if he plays in NHL this season), unless of course it’s somehow different from those. It’s all too complicated for me. Think of Kreider’s entry-level deal not starting until he was called up to Rangers last season.

  338. _The NHL should drop the 76K into Richards Charity of choice!_

    Teeth for Toddlers or something?

  339. Sioux-per-man on

    Ok thanks Spider.

    Never know we drafted Hank in the 7th round one year.

    He scores alot of goals. It will be interesting to see Nicholls and St. Criox when they get to the Whale, if they can continue to score at will.

    Kreider has all the skills & talent, but he isn’t exactly lighting the lamp as much as I thought he would this year.

  340. Don’t forget that Josh Nichols is 20 yr old man playing in a boys league…WHL is not the AHL….

    But, you have to like those numbers, regardless….

  341. iWicky "Frag Out!!!" on

    Doodie
    Why do they have to exclusively throw body checks or fight?

    Why can’t they do both?

    Neil, lucic, clowe, younger iggy, vinny lecav, and so on could hit and would drop the gloves when necessary

    Don’t think it should be an either or situation

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