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Thoughts:

1) For a team that’s played just 16 games, there have sure been a a lot of them for which I really don’t have an explanation.

2) I thought it was fitting, though, that this game was won on a whiff. The whole game was a whiff. But a large improvement over that disaster against Montreal … … … … … sorry, I dozed off again thinking about that game.

3) Other than the staged fights early in the season, when was the last time any Ranger showed any snarl? I mean, some serious anger at an opponent? Last year it happened about 18 times a game, and the snarlier the game, the better the Rangers played. This team is different. This team isn’t nasty. It isn’t a difficult opponent. Maybe that will change at some point, but basically, the top six forwards (or seven or eight) aren’t, as a group or individually, playing well enough, and the bottom six (or four or five) aren’t as good as they were last year, either.

4) And part of that is on special teams. Now, with Rick Nash out for who knows how long (?) this power play looks like last year’s power play, which was terrible. Last night, the power play was better than decent, even scored a big 1-1 goal.

5) On the other hand, the power play gave up one of the more hideous goals of the season, that short-hander. The Rangers, I thought, were fine to that point, and didn’t react well after it. And it was just a series of breakdowns. I admit, I don’t know what happened to cause Michael Del Zotto to lose the puck at the point (replays never went back farther than that), but then Dan Girardi took a run at the eventual goal scorer, went for the poke instead of the body check, and blew a tire. That led to the extremely rare breakaway from the halfboards, partly because J.T. Miller was coasting back, and it led to a goal because Henrik Lundqvist didn’t/couldn’t come up with a pokecheck to prevent the back-handed shot.

6) The other half of the special teams, which was good last year, isn’t nearly so good this year. That late power play, after the Rangers had somehow (with help from an injury to Craig Anderson) gotten a 2-1 lead in the third, and then Brian Boyle took a penalty, didn’t take long. Derek Stepan (9 of 22) lost a draw, the Rangers got scrambly and both defensemen — Marc Staal and Girardi — went to their knees. OK, so it’s 5-on-4 with two guys on their knees. Do the math. That’s why I have always liked both Staal and Girardi apart more than together.

7) That penalty called on Teflon Chris Neil? Pansification. That’s not a penalty. But I do believe it was the first penalty ever called on Neil against the Rangers? He did about 100 things worse than that in the playoff series last year, none of them called.

8) Some guys got banged up, too. We don’t know what’s up with Arron Asham, we don’t  know what happened to Michael Del Zotto. Brad Richards got beat up a bit (he’s become an easy target). Minus Nash, it’s getting pretty thin. That guy Marc Methot caused a whole bunch of black-and-blues, including the Del Zotto injury and the one to his own goalie when he tripped the flying Chris Kreider into the net.

9) I thought Miller and Kreider both made at least one really bad play, but otherwise were pretty good, especially Kreider.

10) Henrik Lundqvist ultimately was responsible for the Bettman Bonus Point for Losing. And the post behind Ben Bishop (Marian Gaborik in OT, Kreider in the Breakaway Contest After The Hockey Game Ends) was responsible for the Rangers not getting two. Not saying they deserved two, but they could have had two.

11) I support and admire the Garden of Dreams, and I usually buy one of those raffle tickets for $100. But I don’t understand why there are only 15 items available for the raffle. Why not make it 100 items? Give everybody a much better chance to win something, you’d probably double the number of tickets sold. I’ve been involved in some charity raffles, and it always seems that the more stuff you raffle, the more tickets you sell. And it’s not like it costs much to get jersey or a stick or a puck autographed by a player.

12) Going back to this whole “this team is different; this team isn’t rugged enough” theory of mine. They didn’t replace all the guys they lost with more rugged guys. They didn’t. And though it was a great trade of Mike Rupp for Darroll Powe, now that Powe’s out that’s another loss of grind. I think they need to play Stu Bickel more, even if he only plays Matt Gilroy’s single-digit minutes every night.

13) But the bottom line is that, yes, the bottom six aren’t as good as last year’s bottom six, and the top six aren’t playing nearly well enough as a group. Especially two of the top three (Richards and Gaborik). Not even close.

14) Tell the truth. Would you not have felt better if that game ended in a tie after overtime, one point apiece?

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My Three Rangers Stars:
1. Ryan Callahan.
2. Henrik Lundqvist.
3. Chris Kreider.
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Ranger JHW Three Rangers Stars:
1. Henrik Lundqvist-steals a point.
2. Ryan Callahan-Hank’s partner in crime.
3. I just can’t!
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Your poll vote for Three Rangers Stars:
1. Ryan Callahan (22.43 %).
2. Henrik Lundqvist (13.27 %).
3. Ryan McDonagh (12.24 %).

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  1. Someone from the Rangers has to bury the winner from rounds 3-6 in the shootout when four different guys (Stepan, Richards, Hagelin, Miller) all were stopped. The Miller attempt was painful as he faked Bishop out of his skates, and had the wide open net, and lost the puck.

  2. I hate to sound like a broken record, but the whole Brandon Prust thing looms a bit larger than everyone thought at this point, eh?

  3. We had some penalty killers last year. Prust, Cally and Dubi were always a threat to score shorties.

    It sounds like Powe will return soon.

    I expected more of an impact from Mash. It sucks to lose, but at least we got a point. No Carp I wouldn’t be happier with a tie… I don’t think.

  4. I hope you mean compared to his play this year and not compared to all his fantastic seasons prior to this one.

  5. On Item 14? Nope. I’d have felt better had one of the four guys who could have won it actually hit the net. The shootout ship has sailed, Carp. You can like it or not, but since it’s here, I prefer to win them. It’s gotta take some skill somewhere if hotshots like ‘Step,’ ‘Hags,’ ‘Richie’ andthe two rookies can’t dent the twine. Whatever, I guess. This season is a mishmash so far.

  6. Evrockriser

    Other than 2 goals Hank was hung out to dry on, what do you blame him for, exactly? (I wouldn’t respond either, you’re probably a Vezina winner yourself).

  7. Carp, Do not get the grit riff you have had this season. Yes Prust was a good, hard nosed player etc. The others I do not see it.. I think the underachieving is simply; nash(goals not what they need), gabby, richards, and boyle being bad. The PP being even worse then bad and the Pk being down some. The PK appears to be moving in the right direction; gabby, ruchards. boyle and the Pp do not seem to be getting any better. again on gabby12 points in 16 games is not bad, my take is his points are not consistent, he is a turnover machine, and takes many shifts off. RIchards has shown almost sero positive moments period.

    boyle stinks plain and simple.. He has been hitting a ton since back in the lineup but no production, he should be on the 4th line….period…

  8. Boyle is what he is, but not resigning Prust was a mistake. I don’t care if he would be getting paid $1M extra per year; the guy will do ANYTHING you ask of him, and then more, even when he’s hurt.

    Prust can also fight against people and hold his own, unlike Boyle. I mean, him and Prust were roomies, did Prust just withhold all fighting improvement from Boyle because he had impending knowledge of his contract with Montreal?

    If Boyle partially fought his way out of a paper bag, I’d almost be impressed, until he missed the net by 5 feet a minute later.

  9. What’s wrong with this picture? Les Habs are *leading* the Conference in points (along with the Debbies, which unfortunately isn’t a surprise)….??

    How can this be?

    I’m having a *bad* feeling about this weekend’s games…

  10. Honestly towards the end of last year and the playoffs, Richards was what we expected. I just don’t get it. Is he just out of shape? Getting old? WTFFFFFFFFF????????

  11. 2Leetch- you are right about Prust but do not expect anyone on this board to admit how badly they misjudged the impact of losing him. Even the ones who now acknowledge his impact then say $2.5m was too much for a player who has impact.

    Torts called Prust part of the core, the team identity. That identity made the team easy to root for and hard to play against. Sather picked a terrible place to get budget conscious.

    Is losing Prust by itself the root of all problems, of course not. But with the Nash trade, which had to get done, it should have stopped there. There were too many changes to the core of a team that gave 100% every night.

    Now it’s not clear what this team is. Maybe they still find a way but that will involve some major improvement from several players.

  12. Matteau!

    I hate to agree with the fact that you agree with what I said, but…

    Was telling people long before the season started, the thought of losing Prust made me sick(not so much with AA and Doob), and now with that last game against the Habs, he reaffirmed why I felt that way. Good for him! Sather cooly proclaimed “(not exactly verbatim, but close) We’re just not gonna get that one done.” Wow. 5 shorthanded goals in ONE year for the Rangers. Nah, screw that guy.

  13. Sheesh Leetch, seriously? The Vezina crack….. are we 12 and in the schoolyard?
    All I was saying was that compared to last season, Hank’s play last night probably would’ve just been a blip on the radar; par for the course.
    I happen to be a former goaltender and, as Carp noted in his review, I agree that Lundqvist should’ve been more aggressive on the first goal. I’ve also noticed that he doesn’t stand up as much as he’s done in previous years. He has a tendency to put his stick along the ice while crouching, tilting his body slightly down and opening up an enormous amount of space up top. Biron’s known for doing that, but not Hank.

  14. Evrockriser

    Hank actually “has a tendency to put his stick along the ice while crouching, tilting his body slightly down and opening up an enormous amount of space up top” in certain situations so that he doesn’t suffer the same fate as Biron in those situations where there’d be a wide open 5 hole, bigger than Kim K’s Koochie. In those spots, only Boyle or Del Zotto would miss, really.

    On the aggressiveness, I see what you’re saying. He should be moreso and also be a stronger stickhandler, but that’s just not him.

    I’ll still take his odd-man rush and breakaway defying skills over anyone right now, despite the faults.

    P.S. Sorry you never won a Vezina ; )

  15. Nice analysis of Henrik, Evrock.

    The funniest time will come when we win the stanley cup later this year, and all those clamoring about the loss of future Hall of Famer-Jaromir Jagr- Brandon Prust will be silenced. This team needs a healthy Nash, the real Brad Richards, and although he’s a just a penalty killer, a healthy Powe with speed. They get that, they have 2.5 scoring lines, speed spread throughout the lineup, and enough physical toughness.

    Who cares if we struggle a bit now. Id rather them struggle now than struggle late in season like last year. Just need to hang around, and get hot down the stretch. More than enough talent when healthy, but if Nash is out for an extended period and Richards doesnt get fit, we could miss the playoffs.

  16. Ok, I’ll give you that Hank rarely pokechecks…because he saves his aggressiveness for G N’ R solos.

  17. Tiki sounds like he’s now a pod-person, like the folks that had themselves cloned against their will in The Invasion of the Body Snatchers! If he says “Go Boston” anytime soon, look out – it’s not him! ;)

  18. stop with the Prust stuff. you guys are turning him into Avery on this blog. you can’t, can’t pay a guy like Prust what he was asking.

  19. do they miss Prust? sure. they also miss Fedotenko, and Dubi. but you have to move on. Prust took the money and ran (much like Avery), he is gone, don’t need to waste time talking about him.

  20. things wrong with this team:

    1) torts is a monumental prick
    2) mdz needs a labotomy
    3) gaborik is softer than fudgy the whale
    4) richards is shrinking literally and figuratively
    5) hank can barely skate or use his stick (worst best goalie out there)
    6) rangers get can never get the puck out
    7) bickel is on the roster (are you serious carp)

    this team gets outshot, outchanced and outscored every year under torts. sweet coach, sweet pp.

    only good thing is it’s a short season. fire torts. hate him

  21. This team is very disappointing so far. I know there ares some injuries but they just dont seem to have a fire under them overall. We can nitpick plays during the game but at the end of the day, they just cant score and dont scare anyone anymore. I thought last night would have been a good time to see if this Mashinter guy can throw some punches and have him try and get Neil to go and get some Sens off their game but, it was not to be. I am far from abandoning ship but they are certainly taking on water.

  22. Czechthemout!!! on

    LOL !!! Prust. You are being rediculous. We are not playing well because two of our so called best players are stinking it up. And poor coaching.

    Richards has become a detriment to the team.

    Gabby is too inconsistent.

    Mdz is horrible at both ends of the ice.

    Boyle is awfull. Should be benched again.

    Too many fourth line forwards in the lineup

    This team is not built to play a grinding game. Too talented for that. Torts has been bad this year. Lets face it. The power play is terrible. Probably cost us at least 3-4 more wins already. If this was only this year than you stay patient but this has been going on for the fourth season in a row now. I dont think they have a single goal with a 5 on 3 yet this year. But they continue to trot out the same thing on the PP game after game expecting a different result. Insanity anyone?

    Worst of all, Torts can’t or won’t adapt to the players he has. They are a far more talented team than they were last year. They dont have the grinding type players that they had last year.that’s a good thing. They can roll four lines when healthy and play with the best teams in the game. However, Torts broke up that option because of his insistance to play Boyle on the third line when truthfully, they didn’t miss him one bit during that three game win streak.

  23. It’s looking, unfortunately, more and more like this is a PO bubble team, just like it was under Renney’s watch and then under Tortorella’s early watch.

    If so, that will make last was a fluke.

    Imagine the Rangers finishing 17th overall and then winning the CBA PO lottery and we gotta watch as the BJs select Seth Jones/Nate McKinnon first overall???

    That for me will be one very dark Ranger moment….

  24. If the ref doesn’t have quick whistle on that play in 3rd, Rangers win and everyone is happy….. Torts has 6 or 7 new forwards to integrate into his system with no pre-season and they are still in a playoff spot..relax

  25. All the above observations have merit, there was disastrous execution by the Ranger players throughout most of the game, but in reality, it should never have gone to a shoot out. This is the first game that I can recall the outcome of which was made by the referees. One after another, they allowed blatant actions on behalf of the Sens, and once the crowd got into it, there was no known life form working with the striped shirts.

  26. stranger nation on

    when pow! and ass-ham are out, we are less tenacious and gritty

    when nash is out, we do not have consistent pressure on offense

    when King Richard and the Gabby Ghost are performing below par, we are in a heap of doo-doo

    if Kreider and Miller do not develop quickly and use their speed and skills to create pressure, we do not have depth to off-set

    all that being said, we could have won the game in reg.

    the whole Eastern Conf seems topsy-turvy; just need to make final 8 with some mojo and see where it takes us.

  27. Mertonian Norm on

    More grinding needed? Yes, but surely not Bickel. Your grinder needs to actually concern the other team, to make them worry that he might make a pass to tape or even score. Bickel you simply leave alone until he gives you the puck. He’s a below-average defender trying to play forward, on standby for the WWF stuff.

  28. Another excellent analysis and again another micro review of the obvious.

    How about a macro review with your opinion of what needs to be done,not simply for this season but beyond.

    It’s obvious the Ranger management doesn’t have the formula how about someone who is both fan and long time observer?

  29. 2Leetch- you are right about Prust but do not expect anyone on this board to admit how badly they misjudged the impact of losing him. Even the ones who now acknowledge his impact then say $2.5m was too much for a player who has impact.

    Torts called Prust part of the core, the team identity. That identity made the team easy to root for and hard to play against. Sather picked a terrible place to get budget conscious.

    Is losing Prust by itself the root of all problems, of course not. But with the Nash trade, which had to get done, it should have stopped there. There were too many changes to the core of a team that gave 100% every night.

    Now it’s not clear what this team is. Maybe they still find a way but that will involve some major improvement from several players.

    See I don’t even have a problem with replacing Fedotenko with Pyatt, or letting Mitchell walk and replacing him with Miller who has much more upside. But some guys’ impact is realy infectious in the room and more than any other sport, hockey is about everyone committing to one another and not taking a shift off and doing what was necessary, and Prust is one of a handful of guys in the league who really gets that and lives it because that’s what makes him good. It’s not that he would fight someone or go into a corner or lay a big hit on someone, it’s that he would set an example of being willing to go further than anyone else on the ice to win the game, whether it meant a fight or a check or a shortie. That is also infectious.

    Is 10 million over 4 years too much for him? Sure. But if this is supposedly year 2 of our 3 year window to win the Cup, then who cares about the last 2 years of Prust’s contract? You addressed the scoring needs with the Nash trade, leave the other important pieces alone.

    Whatever none of this matters at all now except our team is easy to play against like every other Ranger team for the last 40 years except 1991, 1994 and last year.

  30. I don’t know what to make of this team this season. While watching the game last night as well as a few other games this year I thought Renney was back coaching. The only difference is we cannot hold a lead the way we did with Renney.

  31. _14) Tell the truth. Would you not have felt better if that game ended in a tie after overtime, one point apiece?_

    Any time we lose, yes, i wish the game would end in a tie. But when we win and get extra point i dont complain ;)

  32. _14) Tell the truth. Would you not have felt better if that game ended in a tie after overtime, one point apiece?_

    No, because they held a late lead and I had reached the “expect 2 points” stage. The only time I really think there’s a letdown is when you tie late, then lose in the shootout. Then somehow that gift 1 point feels a little diminished.

  33. Glad to see some mega wake up around here. Im a bit sick of being called crazy or a Habs fan for complaining about this. The core of this team is gone. Prust is up in Montreal where he is now known as the core of that first place team. We have no identity. I am not just referring to fights, although the lack of toughness with that monster of a 4th line is pathetic, I’m talking about waking up after getting scored on. I’m talking about scoring shorties instead of giving them up. I’m taking about bailing each other out after a mistake. This years team has *no* identity. And it’s costing us dearly.

    This team will not “do anything” to win. And I loved the gigantic 4th line last night. Thought they might get a spark. Nope. Neil skates freely all over our wuss team. But if you can’t trust your 4th line to kill penalties then they aren’t valuable.

    For clarity, I thought this team didn’t play that poorly last night. Just no jam, grind or wake up. And untimely goals. And no backing each other up.

  34. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    years from now when Tortorella is delivering his HoF induction speech after a landslide first ballot vote, he’ll finally get the credit he deserves for inventing a new defensive strategy that the 2013-2013 Rangers perfected, called the “own zone runaround”

  35. Honestly Carp, I blame that whole game on the ref’s quick whistle, which you didn’t mention here. OT shouldn’t have been needed. Score should’ve been 3-2 Rangers in Regulation.

  36. 2Leetch2 and Matteau! Love what you guys are saying. Still, bottom line, I don’t pay Prust what the Habs paid him. I think that contract is a bit nuts. Somewhat contradictorily I hate losing him and put the entire load of, “Not trying hard enough” and “do anything to win” and every other attitude our team no longer exhibits on the ice squarely on the loss of the one and only Brandon Prust.

    For proof that he’s a huge loss, here is a tweet from the Habs Twitter feed around the time that we ended up going down a goal:

    @CanadiensMTL@ Joe Finley pushes Eller into the boards. *Prust comes to his rescue.* Power-play for the Canadiens.

  37. I hate discussing shoot outs but I need to make a point- on # 10 you can’t give Miller a pass. He had Bishop down and out and lost the puck w an open net. Probably nerves but still stinks.

    Also notable in Carps favorite hockey event- Brad Richards. If you’re this guy, slumping, stinking and getting tossed around the ice like a cheap call girl, maybe you want to use a chance to win the game to you know, try to win the game? Sometimes even something like a shoot out goal will get a guys head on straight. And he just rushed and fired wide. I’ve seen guys make a better effort in practices against their own net minder. This is 90% mental with him at this point and it shows.

  38. The issue with Prust is that he didn’t have traditional value (paid for goals or for goal prevention). Still, $2.5MM for a players already into his UFA years is hardly exorbitant, even if he’s a forward whose scoreboard contributions are almost all indirect.

  39. Also, we flat out lost last night if you ignore the scoreboard. Anderson had us completely shut down then Bishop gave up 2 (3) plus a post in just over a full period of play.

  40. I agree that Prust’s value was unquantifiable. It’s more the length of the contract that hurt. I would have given him $3M for 2 years. It’s the 4 years that freaked me out.

    I mean. He’s gone. Like the Hall & Oates song but with the gender switched up.

    It SUCKS. Because the heart and soul of our team left with him.

  41. As for the actual hockey game ill say this much.
    Top 6 guys..bottom 3 guys..#1 D pair..I don’t know who you can blame specifically, but this team just hasn’t done anything well on a consisten basis. Especially compared to last season. Carp touched on it regarding snarl.
    Last year even 95% of their losses were hard fought games. This team looks like..I don’t even know. Maybe fat bastard stole their mojo??

  42. The shootout is a joke, but it’s a different type of joke when the only guy who can score consistently in the shootout is Ryan Callahan who is just willing the puck into the net.

  43. But here’s the thing with the term, is Prust going to play and not contribute what’s expected of him (PK + toughness) or is he either contributing what’s expected or on IR (thus off the cap)?

  44. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    Rather than trying to rush a diagnosis and cure for an ailing past Derby winner, I think we need to breathe and dial it down a bit…like almost every other year, the Rangers seem to only be part of the field, and we need to get back to enjoying wins and flashes of brilliance like we used to. Aaahhh, yes, life was alot simpler when only other teams were allowed to win the Cup

  45. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Carp, astute review, as always. I will not be able to make the Charp, so can I submit my questions early?

    Any update on Sauer?
    Any update on Powe?
    Any update on Nash?
    Can we agree to agree to disagree to some degree on the pedigree that is Dubi?
    If a Girardi and Staal fall on the ice, and no one is there to check, will the other team score a goal?

    I said score.

  46. Honestly, I know Prust was a big fan favorite and a team guy but it’s done. He’s gone and he’s not coming back to NY. So if there’s players that will help improve this team we should really start discussing other options fellas.

    I won’t judge any player based on this half season. But ill say this- you won’t have to do much to convince me by Thanksgiving that the likes of Boyle and perhaps Richards and a couple others have reached their expiration dates if they aren’t better to some degree

  47. Stanger Nation on

    re Judas Prust – he has heart and soul – something Fire Savior does not – the reason to hold on to him is he had proved it in MSG not some UFA that we did now know how it would turn out. As a hockey player, he is mediocre at best – horrible with break out passes, so please do not go there.

    The real challenge is his absence is having an impact on Boyle’s performance so one could argue his value is not only his salary, but also optimizing Boyle’s as well.

    All this being said, if King Richards and the Gabby Ghost were playing great hockey, the Prust love would not matter one friggin iota!

    let’s wait and see who April/May plays out…

  48. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Cannot use Bishop as a gift to the Rangers. Anderson would not have stopped either of those goals.

  49. Brandon Prust is in his age 29 season. By the end of his contract, he will be in his age 32 contract. As he continues to play the way he does, he’ll continue to get beat up physically, wear down, and provide less of the toughness we saw last year from him. To answer your question, Prust may play and not be able contribute what’s expected of him.

    In addition, the salary cap will be reduced significantly next year, and will likely be reduced in the following years as well. For a guy like Prust, whose value is solely his “intangibles” and “unquantifiables,” do you want $2.5MM on your salary cap for 4 years? Keep in mind that your team has young players that will become RFAs, arbitration increases, and 4 guys on the team that are responsible for a sizable percentage of our current salary cap.

  50. James, I don’t think any of us are suggesting getting him back. Just saying the identity that we are all expecting. The one that took us ALMOST to the Cup last year. Wow. That team ruled and I loved watching them. It’s possible that last years team is my favorite team I have ever had the absolute pleasure of rooting for.

    That team faced adversity and came back better and harder (That’s right, “Manny said…………….”) than ever. That’s gone and this team better find some snarl fast (no one said GO GET PRUST, as if the Habs would trade the identity of their 1st place team. Instead we are asking why no one else can step up and fill that role.

  51. Doodie Machetto on

    Looking at some of the comments from the game thread last night. Yes Carp, I really did go to bed. Actually, I went to walk the dog first, but I had turned off the TV when I said that and I didn’t put it back on.

  52. Again, wow, I agree with what Tiki is saying. We have so many young guys that we have to lock up. It just makes hockey sense that you have to keep them.

    Now….if you told me that Richards was going to be horrible and possibly a buyout after two years. Then I might say, sure, keep Prust. Who cares after we clear Richards off the books!

  53. That’s sort of the other thing, Manny: Richards is the real cap issue. I imagine the amnesty will be used, which would clear things up for both the pretend Prust carry over (which is +$1.5MM over Asham) and the extensions.

  54. Doodie Machetto on

    Stop talking about Prust. Prust isn’t the answer. He wouldn’t fix the PP. He wouldn’t fix Richards, Gaborik, Kreider, Girardi, MDZ, or any of the other top guys who are greatly underperforming. And if you give Prust 2.5 per, what happens when Stepan, Hagelin, Kreider, Miller, Callahan come up for new contracts. If you give a guy who scores less than 10 goals 2.5 million, what then for guys who can actually score?

    It’s over. Let him go.

  55. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp is loading up on painkillers to deal with the absolute headache that will be today’s Charp.

  56. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    If you look at Richards’ numbers last year, he was a very streaky performer. He had 13 points in his first 18 games (he has 11 in 16 this year). I’ll be the first to admit that he needs to be better.

    However, he had 22 points in 17 games in March, when it was important, and they were battling for the top spot. So, before everyone writes him off, can we get through a full season?

  57. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, it’s not about points. It’s the eye test. He looks DONE. Last year he looked ineffective at times, but at least he could skate. He looks totally lost out there now. He looks like a guy who came out of retirement, but probably shouldn’t have.

  58. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Carp, one more question for the Charp.

    If I replay it later, will it still be live?

  59. Prust doesn’t score, but he did play a role in prevention. Our negative change in prevention from 2011-12 is the same as our negative change in scoring.

  60. It’s unlikely that Richards will continue to play poorly enough over the rest of this season and next season to justify to John Tortorella and Rangers management that he must be amnestied.

  61. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    He looks like a guy that is struggling and without confidence. And I’d be completely fine if he continues to _look done_ and puts up 65-70 points (or 38-41 this season).

  62. Tiki, even if Richards played like Richards from last year, economics dictate you have to amnesty him. With the cap lowered, you can’t afford to pay 1/10 of your cap to an aging assist man (especially when he’s showing signs of decline with 7 years left).

    (Put another way, Gaborik has been disappointing as well, but still better than Richards. Would you extend Gaborik at 7 years and $49MM right now?)

  63. I would amnesty him, Mister D, because of the economics.

    But I’m not Rangers management or his coach/buddy, Torts. They just signed him prior to last season. It would take a terrible 2 seasons for him to be amnestied in the summer of 2014.

    To repeat one more time, I agree with the sentiment of amnestying him. However, it’s unlikely that they will.

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    Mister D, if you think that Prust is the single factor in why they are allowing more goals, then you are sorely mistaken.

    First, it starts with Lundqvist, who has been good, but not great. In the early going, he wasn’t even good.

    Second, our defensemen are not what they were last year. McDonagh is about the only guy playing to what is expected of him. Girardi looks like a caricature of himself, flopping around in front of any guy who might have the puck. He no longer plays that smart positional game through which his shot blocks flowed. Now it’s all about the block. Plus, there is no nastiness to his game any longer. MDZ is hot cold. He was very good earlier this year. But as a fourth year player that is only 22 years old, I’m more willing to give him slack than I am a guy like Girardi, or even Staal, who still looks like a shell of his former self from before the concussion.

  65. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    A lot of the people calling for Richards to be bought out are the same people who don’t think Stepan is even a 2nd line center.

  66. Doodie Machetto on

    Tiki, Torts was Richards’ coach when they shipped him out of Tampa, so it’s not like he hasn’t parted ways with him before.

  67. Doodie Machetto on

    Gravy, when they signed Richards, I said it was a mistake because I thought Stepan was a 2nd line center who would be good enough to play with Gaborik until an actual legitimate guy worth throwing all of that money at became available.

  68. Doodie Machetto on

    I stand by my assessment of Stepan. I think he will be an excellent 2nd line center in this league. He will be a consistent 20 goals, 35-40 assists guy.

  69. Oh so thin is the ledge with so many hand wringers perched atop. Side by side they stand as their beloved New York hockey team heads to Montreal for a Saturday night massacre on CBC!!!!

  70. Rob in Beantown on

    The soon-to-be Mrs. says the reason the Rangers are bad this year is because Lundqvist “lets in easy goals” and Boyle “isn’t as good this year.” She says we’ll be okay if those guys shape up. She’s watched maybe 60 minutes of various games this year and that’s her diagnosis.

  71. _Mister D, if you think that Prust is the single factor in why they are allowing more goals, then you are sorely mistaken._

    No, I think he’s the single factor. The full extra 1/4 of a goal per game they give up this year is 100% Prust, has nothing to do with the defense not playing as great as last year or with Henrik looking really good rather than all world like usual. All Prust. That’s what I meant.

    (C’mon. He’s not “the single factor”. He is “a factor”. The defensive zone start % and PK minutes don’t lie.)

  72. _A lot of the people calling for Richards to be bought out are the same people who don’t think Stepan is even a 2nd line center._

    I’m calling for a buyout and think Stepan’s ceiling is 2nd line. Just because Stepan isn’t doesn’t mean Richards is or should be paid as one.

  73. _Also, we flat out lost last night if you ignore the scoreboard_

    Mr Wang and JD are thought to be lobbying hard for the “ignoring scoreboard” points system to be adopted by the NHL at the next Board if Governors meeting.

    (Cue “LW said…” posts)

  74. Doodie, I see your point. However, trading a player is not the same as amnestying a player.

    Also, the Lightning were terrible in 2007-08, were in search of a franchise goaltender, and used Brad Richards at the trade deadline in an attempt to get their goaltending of the future in Mike Smith. At the time, Mike Smith was highly regarded.

    In addition, “finances got tight and new Lightning owners Len Barrie and Oren Koules made a lot of mistakes, Richards was forced to waive his no-trade clause and move onto Dallas, a sort of scapegoat for a bloated payroll.” citation: http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/2011/06/blame-game-doesnt-work-in-unique-brad-ri.html/

    Now, you can argue finances might become tight here, but it’s unlikely that will be the case for Jimmy Dolan.

  75. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    is he the single factor, or is he the benefactor, or is he the greatest common factor, or is he the X factor, or is he factor fiction or is he the windchill factor

  76. Manny we’re on same page with Prust and how much he meant to the team but I lose you when you then say that $2.5m is too much. That is entirely inconsistent. As far as contract duration the point is that Sather could have had him for 3 years. The Prust discussion is as much about Sather as it is about Prust.

    And by the way, while no one has been saying Prust is the only problem it is flat out wrong to say it is irrelevant and the real problem is the other players not performing. If you know anything about the sport you know a team is a collective, all diverse parts playing valuable roles, woven together. Exhibit A NYR 2011-12. Exhibit B Montreal 2012-13. If you think the players defining the team identity didn’t help the overall team with Wins and Losses you should start following baseball.

    For those who say move on from Prust, please explain why it’s not ok to analyze reasons for the team’s poor start and why they aren’t as fun to watch? Maybe circulate a list of acceptable topics for this site?

  77. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    Yeah, Boyle can stand next to (the real) Kenny Albert as his bodyguard during the broadcasts. Nothing says “unapproachable” to little kids with pens and autograph books like a 6’7″ flowerchild

  78. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    I’m not saying buying Richards out isn’t an option, but who are they replacing him with?

    Maybe Miller develops into one, but it is way too early for that.

    Maybe you sign a guy like Getzlaf for about $7M/year, who is five years younger, if he even gets to FA. But, then you are bidding against other teams for what will probably be an 8 (or is it 7 years max, I forget) long term contract. And Anaheim has an advantage in that they can sign him to the extra year.

  79. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    _ As far as contract duration the point is that Sather could have had him for 3 years. _

    I find that hard to believe when he, in fact, signed for 4 years. Do you think he would have given the Rangers a discount? I don’t.

  80. kaspars (dog whisperer) daugavins with a whiff just put the cherry on top of that sh#tout. and as for the being satisfied with a tie, yes, right now i would be. having most of our top players struggling right now, that shootout just made it worse for their confidence. cally was the only one who changed his strategy up lately by shooting instead of deking with the same move he always uses. bring up christian thomas a few games. yea hes a smurf, but so is hagelin and hes been the most cosistent forward lately.

  81. Doodie Machetto on

    tiki, finances in terms of cap dollars will be tight. And Amnestying a player is the best dela you can possibly give a player. Here’s $24 (this summer) or $18 (next summer) million bucks. Oh, and by the way, you are UFA again and people will still have a bidding war on your services. Sure, he won’t get $12million a year the first couple of years again, but he’ll probably still get another $3million/yr size contract.

    I can’t imagine there being any hard feelings, at all.

  82. wow did not know Prust was that valuable. he must be a bubble HOF er…

    seriously the team is bad because they lost Prust, dubi, and feds!!!

    really.. get a clue. if richards, gabby, and nash were producing at 75% of expectation they would have 22 points.

    the kids are in a tizzy on the blog….

    the love for feds, mitchel, prust, and others will fade quickly the dislike for boyle and richards i think it may stay.

  83. Gravy it was reported that before he became FA they were discussing a 3 year deal. Gap was money not duration. Prust had an imporrtant role on and off the ice on a top team one step from the finals, no way he wanted to leave. Once the Arrogant One allowed him to hit FA all bets were off and of course he was going to take the best offer.

  84. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    This ranger team has trouble keeping a lead and major trouble if down by 2 or more goals. Have they even tied the score after falling behind by two goals this year?

    They also play from behind far more than they do with a lead. And even with a lead, i wouldnt call this ranger team good frontrunners.

  85. if richards plays like this all season he will not be on the team next season, no doubt about it.

    let’s worry about next years roster after the season!!!!!!

  86. Stuart, you’re responding to an argument no one is making. Here is what I said above…

    And by the way, while no one has been saying Prust is the only problem it is flat out wrong to say it is irrelevant and the real problem is the other players not performing. If you know anything about the sport you know a team is a collective, all diverse parts playing valuable roles, woven together. Exhibit A NYR 2011-12. Exhibit B Montreal 2012-13. If you think the players defining the team identity didn’t help the overall team with Wins and Losses you should start following baseball.

  87. Carp, I read this blog all the time but can you PLEASE stop whining about the shootout. It’s here and every team goes through it. We all understand you don’t like it but having like 3 bullet points about the shootout after every shootout is beyond annoying. That being said, keep up the good work.

  88. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    There were reports that he wanted to hit FA too. And I tend to go with reports that actually happened rather than what may have happened. Chances are, Sather brought 3 years to the table, and Prust decided to test the market.

    And even so, Prust could still have signed here for about $2M a year if there was *no way he wanted to leave*.

  89. Financing in terms of cap dollars will be tight. I also see your point regarding Amnestying being the best thing you can offer a player.

    However, Torts was a couple months from being fired by the Lightning, he wasnt the reason Brad got traded. And I do not think that Brad will perform so poorly that Tortorella (who definitely has input on personnel decisions) will decide that he no longer has value to the team between now and summer 2014.

    It’s certainly possible that he is amnestied. I strongly dont believe it will happen.

  90. Bottom line — This team, win or lose, is no fun to watch this year. I’m feeling the indifference I had watching the Rangers play in the first years of Sather’s tenure.

    What the Rangers need (and what would also make me happy) is:

    (1) For Prust to make a “sloppy seconds” comment soon, so that he’s back in time for the playoff push.

    (2) For Dolan to forbid Sather from making any free-agent signings and to just restrict him to making trades.

  91. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    I like how we can make broad assessments on teams after 16-17 games. So, because Montreal is in 1st place at this moment, they are a far better team than the Rangers? I think if they started the playoffs today (assuming health), the Rangers would have a better than 50% chance of beating them.

  92. The really irritating thing for me regarding all the Prust love is this…

    Jaromir was forgotten the 2 seconds after he walked out the door. A Hall of Famer Jaromir, along with Lundqvist, restored the Rangers to relevance and credibility.

    He was booted unceremoniously out the door by many Rangers fans. Insulted and devalued.

    Jaromir Jarda Jagr

  93. If Richards is not bought out it will be beyond reckless, cripling to the team’s future. Even Torts will be ok with it.

  94. Doodie Machetto on

    “She’s watched maybe 60 minutes of various games this year and that’s her diagnosis.”

    While not 100% of the problems, it certainly is an accurate diagnosis.

    And Mister D, don’t give me that the PK is bad only because Prust isn’t there. You could say the same thing about Dubi, aout Anisimov, or about Fedotenko and it would be equally specious. The problem isn’t that we don’t have Prust (or any of the aforementioned players). The problem is the guys they got to replace them just aren’t up to snuff and the guys they kept aren’t keeping up their end of the bargain, either.

    BTW, the PK that was so maligned to start the year is now 9th in the NHL. And that includes their absolutely horrific start.

  95. No one handing Montreal the Cup. It is early, and things may not hold. Even so can you deny they are far better this year than last?

  96. Doodie Machetto on

    tiki,

    Torts is letting Richards play himself out of his poor play. But how long do you think he lets him do that? Two seasons of rotten play is an awfully long time.

  97. *Sally* February 22nd, 2013 at 9:49 am

    Good morning, Carp.

    This team stinks.

    ********************

    In depth and ON POINT. More Brandons!

  98. Doodie by saying the guys they brought in to replace Prust aren’t doing the job you’re pretty much confirming he wasn’t as easily replaceable as people like to think.

  99. Matteau! That’s fine. I know it sounds inconsistent. Again, my issue is more the contract length. If this team did re-sign Brandon The Prust I would not have been upset. Obviously I love the guy. All you have to do is look at the walls in my office to know that. Just looking at the situation overall…I think 4 years is a scary contract length at that cost.

  100. Doodie Machetto on

    Matteau, no denying Montreal is much better, but there are many changes that have improved them, and Prust is probably the least of those.

  101. Doodie, do you think he will continue playing this poorly for the rest of this and next season?

    That’s an actual question, I’m not implying I think he wont.

    He played poorly, according to Carp and others on here, for much of the regular season last year. Then, he became one of the most integral players in their playoff run.

  102. Jagr might be a hall of famer but him and his salute and his stupid “shhhh” to the crowd….he’s annoying. The Prust is very, very lovable as a person and an identity. Why do you think we spent HOURS making up PRUSTISMS and such around here?

    for example (and Gift of Gaborik was so good at these): “Brand Prust never failed a test, he forechecked all the answers”

  103. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    I liken the Prust situation to Kurt Cobain. Prust came in, was instantly loved, and didn’t overstay his welcome. Cobain wasn’t around long enough to put out a bad album and is forever remembered as a revolutionary talented rock star.

    Cliff notes, Prust = Cobain.

  104. Carey Price being a stone-cold-wall has to help Montreal be in first place.

    But their identity is totally changed and they are NOT a big team but they are certainly playing like it. And when you watch their games the announcers are all “Prust, Prust, Prust, Prust” over and over. And he’s logging more minutes.

  105. No one saying he is sole reason for Mtl improvement or for NYR success last year. He is an impt factor though and if you disagree that puts you at odds with the people who follow the Habs.

  106. Read everyday, but just don’t post much, but my 1 thought I keep coming back to is the coach. Tort’s is a coach who coach’s with his heart, but has very little personality. (or his personality has little personality, or maybe he’s just a prick) Anyway, he’s known for wearing out his welcome. Has Richards (very senior player and supposedly friends with Tort’s) had enough at his age?? How about the PP?? I think that power play falls right in Tort’s lap. He is so paticular about how he’s team plays defensively that I think he has the PP player’s thinking to much. I remember the year they won the cup the PP went thru some skids and every player said the way out was “to shoot the damn puck” The giveaway last night wasn’t the defensemans fault, it was the guy who had it two passes before. I think it was Richards who gave up a shot from the circle area and passed it then it went to the defenseman. Sorry for being long, I was going to ask Carp if I could write something, but I’m just very fustrated. We need to start laying some blame on the coach and his staff. Not saying that will change anything, and not that there is still a need on this team, but Tort’s is wearing his welcome thin if you ask me. I mean now there’s rumors about possibly trading DelZotto. Well management thought this kid was good enough but Tort’s keeps him locked in the doghouse. How do you think a 21 year old kid is going to react to that. Anyway remeber trading Zubov and regretting it for the 15 years he played or whatever. How come all the forwards get breaks when they make mistakes. He’s an offensive defenseman and Tort’s wants him to be physical and more defensive. Okay great put him out there with a STEADY defensive partner al la Buek, and Leetch. Well just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.
    Always reading, mostly quiet
    Cynar (Steve)

  107. I don’t want to get into any arguments on the topic. I think it’s reasonable if all Rangers fans realize that Jaromir (along with Henrik) did infinitely more for this franchise than Brandon Prust.

  108. Actually, just checked. He’s not logging more minutes. Still around 12:43 which is in between his two years here (2011-2012, 11:57 ATOI and 2010-2011 13:49 ATOI, .

  109. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    As someone said earlier, Jagr and Hank single-handedly, (or is it double-handedly, or quadruple-handedly?) turned this franchise around. And I will be eternally grateful to them for that. Jagr carried that team on his back coming out of the lockout, when they were picked by many to finish 29th-30th.

    Prust certainly had an impact during the time he was here, but should never be placed above the other two in an capacity.

  110. how about a healthy gionta and the emergence of pacioretty and deharnais on 2nd line. throw in the fact the markov when healthy is a good of a def as there is in nhl and subban with price in goal is the reason for there resurgence.

    prust helps stabilize the lines and a big weakness was pk for montreal now they are near the top.

  111. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    While I think the rangers will make the playoffs, it could be one and done if they play the Devils, Bruins or Pens.

  112. Doodie Machetto on

    Matteau, they brought in the wrong guys. The right guys were readily available and we just picked the wrong ones.

    I thought Powe was doing a great job in his role until he got concussed.

  113. still ticked about last night and completely frustrated by this ranger team. had chance to steal one late last night.
    bad penalty by boyle and stepan in ability to win a faceoff (9 for 22) and we blow lead. if not for hank we dont survive the last two min and get a point.

    0 for 4 in shootout attempts to win it is unacceptable.

    this richards saga now and the fact that he is completely a diff player in one year from a year ago and now we have a major problem on our hands.

    gabby some advice for you GO WITH SPEED IN SHOOTOUT

  114. _BTW, the PK that was so maligned to start the year is now 9th in the NHL. And that includes their absolutely horrific start._

    That’s great, but the PK without Prust is now relying more on guys like Callahan. He’s up over a minute per game in PK time and down two in ES time. That matters.

  115. rangers will go further then the canadiens this year.

    teams have played 1 games, take a chill pill.

    montreal was decimated by injuries last year and markow who is offensively for sure better then any ranger d has been hurt more or less for 3 seasons. throw in some developing young guys galcheynuk and others and with a more defense first system they are off to a nice start…

    that is it… they are not playing well because of brandon prust.. prust is a good player, he is a better version of boyle. hits, pk, and scores on occassion. problem is boyle never scores……..prust for 4 years playing like he does is a big gamble…

  116. Avery had heart and played hard all the time, ALWAYS defended his teammates, could SKATE and SCORE (occasionally), was a HUGE part of this team’s success (at the time) gave rangers fans probably the BEST NYR vs NJD memories of all time (by screwing with MAAARTYYY!) but is hated and dismissed by most of the NYR as useless!

    Now Prust… well he’s is the best ever! Done nothing memorable for this franchise other than lose 99% of his fights to much bigger players that he picked himself to inflate his own ego! F THAT! AND F PRUST!

    THANK YOU.

  117. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Manny, if you put Prust on the mid-2000 teams, he wouldn’t have either. Jagr was unstoppable and put up the single greatest offensive season in team history. He had virtually no support, except perhaps Nylander.

    Prust certainly contributed, but the Rangers could have possibly gone that far without him. Those Rangers teams would not even sniff the playoffs without Jagr.

  118. gabby in shootouts does the same thing more or less every time. he never goes to the back hand and does not deke, he shoots only.

    gabby does not adjust ever, during the game or in shootouts he is as stubborn as torts…

  119. Doodie, who do you think would have been the right replacement for the guy who skates 3rd line, kills penalites, forechecks, cycles, plays mean but clean, fights anyone (at the right times), stands up for teammates, gives team attitude, and chips in 6-10 goals including shorties?

  120. Also, Prust getting 4 years doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have taken 3 at some point before UFA because (1) the market isn’t perfect and the best deal now isn’t necessarily the best deal later (and, conversely, players have not agreed to offered extensions only to end up getting less down the road) and (2) there is value in the security that comes from signing pre-UFA.

  121. comparing jagr to prust is beyond ridiculous, a all time great to a nice complimentary piece to a team.

    get real…

  122. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Are there any college coaches named Giantcock? If so, he would be a smashing success on broadway.

  123. Matteau!, I did that last year (including the “value” in toughness using fights) and Prust’s only real close comp in the league is Derek Dorsett. He’s a rare player type.

  124. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    That Nylander-Jagr-Straka line played entire games where it seemed like the puck was glued to their sticks.

  125. plain and simple forget prust for a minute who we do miss but if RICHARDS AND GABORIK dont score on a consistent basis wwe have no shot

  126. Chris Neil is 33. Same category of player as Prust, Prust is 28. Tell me you wouldn’t have given Neil a 2.5m contract. Sather is a fool.

  127. Doodie Machetto on

    Matteau,

    First of all, Prust isn’t making Mtl’s PK good. Mtl’s PK is worse than the Rangers, and it’s much worse than it was last year when it was 2nd in the league, so let’s get that out of the way.

    Now that that it is, let’s look at what Montreal has changed, aside from Prust, since last season:

    1) New GM
    2) New coach
    3) Andrei Markov
    4) No Gomez
    5) Brian Gallagher
    6) Alex Galchenyuk
    7) Colby Armstrong (who is getting exactly the same PK time in Montreal as Prust)
    8) Francis Bouillon

    But yes, Brandon Prust is the reason they’ve turned around.

  128. stuart, I brought up Jagr and Prust in order to contrast the way both players are viewed by Rangers fans following their departures.

    Jagr = all of his greatness forgotten 2 seconds after he left. Insulted, ridiculed, mocked, devalued.

    Prust = greatest thing, better than sex.

    It’s irritating.

  129. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I agree re: Avery cccp. I thought he was far more useful and valuable than what he was given credit for.

  130. the guys that are giving out 3 or 4 year deals to Prust or Neil are whining in 45 games why the hell do we have this guy for another 3 years…thats how it works on all blogs…

    neil took a discount to stay at home, he is a career ottawa guy.

    how is steve ott doing in buffalo, he got them over the hump also!!!!!!!!!ott is a much better player then prust and very similar player.

    there are many reasons teams succeed or fail and a nice complimentary player like prust is avery small reason why…DEAL WITH IT.

  131. Cross Check Charlie on

    I’ve read some of the posts regarding what’s wrong with this team and I don’t think there is one item that you can point to as the problem. Everything seems to be in stuck in mediocre mode. Well, it would help if the power play improved to mediocre, but I digress.

    You can’t have a simple answer to a complex problem although quite a few people will try. Losing Prust is not the problem, though it contributes to it, but what about the defenders? What about the power play? What about scoring 5-on-5?

    I don’t know what the answers are, but I have a feeling neither do the Rangers. And, that is why they are mired in mediocrity.

  132. Doodie please point to a post where it says Prust is the reason? If you want ot hav a reasonable debate try not to micharacterize. But it will have to wait in any event, off to a meeting. Later.

  133. Doodie Machetto on

    Daniel Winnik, for one. Doesn’t fight, but he kills penalties like a beast and actually has offensive upside.

  134. Ok Doodie so Winnick fills half the Prust void. Unless you think standing up for team no longer part of the game.

  135. the jagr issue is how he goes about contract issues. should he stay or should i go etc.

    also bloggers like the silly rough stuff fighting nonsense so skilled euro’s are often underappreciated.

    when jagr scored 52 for the rangers he absolutely carried the team that year….to bad he disclocated his should against the devils in the playoffs..

    love is fleeting on these blogs except for the total basement crazys, who will be complaining about trading a 4th liner who on his new team scores 6 goals in 1/2 a season, that person just likes to complain non stop…

  136. cross check, there’s a whole laundry list of things that have and are backfiring on this team, and they’re still heads-above-water. Yeah 48 games is short, but it’s not that short. This team has time to get it fixed, and IMO will.

    As for the Montreal thing, the Habs are better for a lot of other reasons, mostly No Gomez.

    Good morning, Sally!

    shootout, no. Maybe you misunderstood me, so I want to be clear. I don’t like the shootuout. I think it’s the dumbest thing ever, to decide a hockey game with a non-hockey contest. So, again, no. and next time you want to whine about my whining, use your real screen name.

  137. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    Now Eddie 3 is getting into Howard Stern’s Match Game territory

    so many questions
    so few answers
    so little time
    the season is becoming like a charp

  138. you know the avery love. totally irrational. the guy made i think $4 mill per year….that was a terrible ROI…

    with his personality the shelf life on him was real short….

    the only guy who has less difficulty getting the puck out of the zone then avery and committing turnovers are actually gaborik and richards and btw that is a problem.

  139. _tiki, imagine if Jagr had for any of those years exerted a fraction of the effort Prust had given?_

    Jagr had AVERY! HELLOOOOOO!!

  140. Carp: Do you think the Garden of Dreams makes more money now that they have a raffle format rather than each prize going to the highest bidder, like it was in the past?

  141. That’s an example Im talking about, btw. Carp questioning Jaromir’s work ethic. When you’re the focal point of every team’s defensive gameplan, it’s difficult to play with 100% effort all the time. Then, you take into account he was in the decline phase of his career.

  142. @CCCP@ February 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Powe > Prust.

    *************************

    That’s an absolute joke.

  143. refs are dopes they are not ever admitting a mistake. halpern scored on the ridiculously fast whistle when the ref had no idea where the puck was…they do that crap all the time…

  144. Doodie Machetto on

    So you bring in another guy who can fight. They brought in Asham. Again, the wrong guy. They could have had Parros or Tanner Glass (he also kills penalties), who the Pens replaced Asham with. Or Jordin Tootoo.

    Remember, Prust wasn’t the only guy they had to replace. They had a few other vacancies to fill, so if you get two pure PK guys and one pure fighting guy, it would have filled the void pretty nicely. The problem was that the Rangers picked Halpern, Pyatt, and Asham. If they had picked, say, Glass, Winnik, and McClement, nobody is even talking about Prust anymore.

    Also, everybody seems to forget that before he got here, Prust didn’t kill penalties. All he did was fight. He learned to kill penalties on the job. Why couldn’t they sign a guy like Konopka and teach him the way they taught Prust? He can win faceoffs and he can throw down.

  145. Gravy, You Know You Want Some Marty on

    Hmm, never noticed that the puck went in. The problem is the net came off the moorings and slid right out the side, so I can see it not being allowed.

  146. Doodie Machetto on

    In fact, I remember when they traded Kotalik for Jokinen and Prust that I said the following:

    Forget Jokinen. Prust is the real gem here. If they can teach him to kill penalties, then he will be a VERY valuable player.

    I would say the exact same thing about Konopka. He would be even more valuable than Prust because he is so good at faceoffs.

  147. Manny February 22nd, 2013 at 11:19 am
    CCCP February 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am

    Powe > Prust.

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    That’s an absolute joke.

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    yes…i make joke? problem? i come over now! ;)

  148. “Also, everybody seems to forget that before he got here, Prust didn’t kill penalties. All he did was fight. He learned to kill penalties on the job. Why couldn’t they sign a guy like Konopka and teach him the way they taught Prust? He can win faceoffs and he can throw down.”

    Exactly. Prust’s “skills” are replaceable.

  149. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    this conversation is coming off its moorings

    we have the guys we have until we don’t have them anymore so Tortsy has to find a way with the guys that we have until we don’t have them anymore

    get the dam disk out of the zone and use your dam Lord given talent to trick some competitors and put the dam biscuit in the basket

  150. In defense of Prust and Tort: His skills are replaceable? Who scored 5 Shorties for us this season? Tort obviously saw more in him than the previous coach in Calgary. Which is why Calgary sucks. Almost Forever.

    Man. I would have LOVED Konopka. I wanted him on this team so badly. I would take him over Halpern and Asham any day.

  151. what def man get called up from hartford is bickel has to remain at forward. my bet newbury gets recalled and bickel goes back to d for del zaster.

    said this last night and will say it again. mac and staal at least think shot from point hence the puck went in 2x. richy and del zaster NEVER think shot. its time to get mac and staal more pp time.

  152. Why do we hate Zenon Konopka, as an organization? We couldn’t get him in the trade for Rupp? Throw in Asham? Come on!

  153. btw, my tribe brother Halpern has been playing very well lately…let’s discuss that instead of Prust who is NO LONGER ON THIS TEAM!

  154. True, eric. The Whale are thin on Def. Hopefully Asham can go back in and Bickel/Eminger can go back on D. But I would assume Eminger gets up here and Bickel remains on Forward.

    There is always Dylan Mcllrath. If this season is going to be a disaster, why not let all our kids develop at the NHL level? Get Thomas up here! Party time in NYC.

  155. konopka was the guy i wanted so bad when watching nhl free agent frenzy on july 1 last year. when minn signed him to that contract i was steaming then we react with asham and halpern. why ?

  156. Scoring short-handed goals isn’t a skill. You can’t expect players to score short-handed goals.

    Scoring goals is a skill.

  157. Cross Check Charlie on

    “cross check, there’s a whole laundry list of things that have and are backfiring on this team, and they’re still heads-above-water. Yeah 48 games is short, but it’s not that short. This team has time to get it fixed, and IMO will.”

    Maybe it was expectations, but they shouldn’t be just heads-above-water. Not this team. And, what makes you think they’ll fix the power play when it’s been a problem for a long, long time. That’s why they brought in Richards. He was supposed to fix the power play. Then when Nash was signed, he was going to be the power play savior. So, they are going to fix this in the remaining 30 games or so? I’m not confident in that.

    Let me ask you this question. What can you point to that gives you the confidence that most of their problems will be solved?

  158. It’s not hard to forget about Mrs. Eminger, eric. Sometimes I try to forget about -her- him.

    Yes. Get Konopka. Bring up the kids. Blow up the season and develop.

  159. Gravy – Net was still on, it just lifted up. Unless they come up with some bogus goaltender interference, that’s a goal every time.

    I love not seeing Tiki’s comments on other people’s FB walls now that he blocked me! Mystery comments!

  160. According to TSN

    The next stop in the career of 31-year-old Rick DiPietro could be the American Hockey League.

    According to an online report from Newsday, the New York Islanders are reportedly set to put the goaltender on waivers Friday afternoon for the purposes of demoting him to the AHL’s Bridgeport Sound Tigers. The team is expected to recall Kevin Poulin to take his roster spot once DiPietro clears waivers or is claimed.

    DiPietro has appeared in three games with the Isles this season, posting an 0-3 record and a save percentage of just .855.

  161. tiki, the guy played how many years and I don’t think he gave an effort in more than a few of them.

    and yes, Tortorella mentioned it should have been a goal on the Anderson/Kreider play too.

  162. question for one of you CBA wizards: In an amnesty buyout, does the player still get 2/3rds of all the money he’s owed as was the case with the Drury buyout, spread out over a number of years; or is the amnesty buyout a different percentage of the entire contract over a different period of time?

    anybody?

  163. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    We have wizards on this site? Maybe one of you can explain to me how a dead Voldemort was able to get his face onto the back of Quirrell’s head

  164. Thank God I am leaving the country today. Normally Id be against going to a place with absolutely no internet connection but right now Im pretty darn glad. More annoying than the actual performance of the team is this constant Prust talk. Hope by when I return to the country, and the blog, the team is back on track and the number of times Prust is mentioned is reduced from 200 to 5.

  165. Fat Guy Duberstein on

    in terms of hockey sense/acumen/fandom, do I have any credibility left here at all, or have I just become a fat, dopey caricature of my former self?

  166. the reason I wasn’t sure was that Redden only had the one year left … so I wasn’t positive that the remainder of the money owed still had to be paid via the compliance buyouts.

    thank you.

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  168. They paid Redden his full salary ( prorated ) this year. He had $5M left next year. Next years’ buy out reverted to regular amnesty buy out- they will pay him $3.33M over two years, $1.67M per.

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