from the NYR:
RANGERS ASSIGN FORWARD CHRIS KREIDER TO CONNECTICUT
NEW YORK, February 15, 2013 – New York Rangers President and General Manager Glen Sather announced today that the club has assigned forward Chris Kreider to the Connecticut Whale of the American Hockey League (AHL).
Kreider, 21, has registered one goal and one assist for two points, along with four penalty minutes and a plus-two rating in seven games this season. He tallied a point in consecutive games, including his first career regular season point with a goal on February 5 at New Jersey and his first career regular season assist on February 7 against the New York Islanders, after missing the previous five games, including four games due to injury. Kreider made his NHL regular season debut in the season opener on January 19 at Boston.
The 6-3, 230-pounder established an NHL record for most postseason goals (five) and points (seven) by a player before skating in a regular season game during the 2012 playoffs. Kreider tied for first among NHL rookies in goals and power play goals (two), second in game-winning goals (two) and power play points (two), and ranked fourth in points during the playoffs. He also tied for third on the team in playoff goals, first in power play goals and second in game-winning goals. Kreider made his NHL debut on April 16, 2012, at Ottawa in Game 3 of the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals, becoming the first player to win an NCAA title and make his NHL debut in that year’s playoffs since 1990.
The Boxford, Massachusetts native was originally selected by the Rangers as a first round choice, 19th overall, in the 2009 NHL Entry Draft.

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Lloyd, like I said, it’s not like he shouldn’t be in the lineup, but he hasn’t exactly earned anything, either. So while we’re all up in arms about what a travesty this is, let’s not forget this: Kreider, both in the NHL and AHL this year, has not been good.
pretty sure it was Josh Bailey who smoked Richards last night on one of the many shifts he’s played this season while comatose
and doodie, who do you feel are better options than Kreider and Miller right now?
Where better to live out the American dream than Hartford?
maybe Vancouver?
reposting cause it amused me:
Haha Cory. I was watching one of the games with my fiancee a few nights ago and she wanted to know why in an empty net situation the goaltender didn’t just skate back onto the ice whenever the other team got the puck. I tried to explain it would be a too many men penalty, but then I started thinking it would be funny if teams actually tried to do that by making a fast change.
Anyway, reminds me of that video
so now Tortorella hates Kreider? LMFAO.
Lloyd, as I said, I think Kreider should absolutely be in the lineup compared to some of the dead weight, especially Asham. But I’m not devastated by this because it’s not like Kreider’s been any good either.
yes that’s exactly what I said. John Tortorella hates Chris Kreider. you sure know how to read posts.
Not that there’s much depth but this was the right move for now.
that’s what it sounded like.
guys – I know this is the U.S. of A. and that it’s the point of the blog in the first place, but isn;t it a complete waste of time to try to get in Tortorella’s head, to suggest roster moves, etc.? Can;t we just leave that to our professional coaching staff and get back to busting each other cagliones?
doodie:
I won’t disagree with a lack of stats from Kreider but the sample size is so minimal. And who is the better option now? It would be one thing if there was depth on this team? But let’s say Miller is demoted soon – and I think there’s a strong likelihood of that. Who comes back? Ferreiro? Newbury? Mashinter? This team is already strapped for scoring and unless you’ve got some chance of that from your top offensive forwards. To just bring up more career minor leaguers, I dunno, I don’t see the improvement.
For what it’s worth, I was opposed to calling up Miller in the first place, but I think the guy has at least earned the right to have some time to show what he can do. Kreider’s in the same boat. To just demote them for AHL grinders, eh, seems pointless.
With no “real” spare forwards, my first thought is that move gives pause to the thought the Rangers might be setting up something for a trade. However, I remembered that the Whale play three games in three days this weekend as opposed to the Rangers one game. It will be interesting to see if Kreider is recalled after the Whale’s Sunday game.
I’m going to go way out on a limb here and suggest that maybe some thought/discussion by the organization/coaching staff went into this decision and that it was based on more than what the fans think they see, perhaps what happens or doesn’t in practice, or in video sessions … and, here’s a really odd unusual take: Maybe they all think this might be best for the kid as a player to, you know, do what most young players do and spend some time in the minors before they become full-time NHLers. Seemed to work for pretty much everybody else on the team. But, hey, that’s just me.
Lloyd, all I’m saying is that the coaching staff, as presently constructed, has really done a good job of developing our young players. Granted, they haven’t been presented with elite level forward talent yet, but seeing the job they’ve done with our elite level defensive talent and midlevel forward talent, I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think they’ve earned it.
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Doodie
I will take a stab at it. He played hurt the first three games and shouldnt have played at all. He played really well in NJ and fairly well the rest of the games. Did he do anything to warrent a benching or worse, a demotion? Hell no! I am a bottom line tyoe of guy and from what I have seen since his return from injury is that they are a better team with him in the lineup than without him. In fact they are a better team with him in than with Boyle. Even though Boyle played ok yesterday.
Here’s another deep, deep thought: Maybe they have that team up there in Hartford to help with a kid’s development as a professional, whereas maybe we thought it was because Hartford was such a hockey hotbed that the NYR just have a team there to rake in zillions of dollars in revenue. People love to see Brandon Segal play.
You really don’t have to get ‘into’ his head – Torts is pretty straightforward with his comments on players and his confidence is correlated to game TOI.
If you feel this team is still a year or two away from Cup dreams, then this shortened season is the worse thing to happen as the urgency to ‘win now’ may be overtaking the importance of developing young players who will contribute to long term team success.
No longer THE KREIDER, now just Kreider and that sucks…kid should be playing top 6 minutes NOW
ok so I understand that your role is to point out that the Rangers as an organization make decisions about their players – that comes as a shock to me, admittedly, but I’ll roll with it.
find me the better options in the Rangers organization to play top 6 minutes right now other than Kreider and Richards. find me the source of scoring on a 2.2 goal per game team; maybe check the Rangers media guide or just wait for the Rangers to announce who they’ve called up and post it here.
or I can just jump in completely ill-informed.
Stranger
He will play top six minutes with Newberry and Brandon Segal. That will really help his development dont you know.
doodie:
let me ask you this. what young players has John Tortorella developed since becoming the coach of the Rangers? McDonagh would be one that could be credited to the Tortorella regime. who else? Hagelin?
That is a ridiculous question. None of the young players on the team has gotten better the last few years.
I’m lost. Was this a move predetermined weeks ago or an overreaction to lack of productivity in a small sample size? Both?
would love to continue this lunacy with those who still hate on the coach for is mistreatment of poor no. 16, but my other job calls. See ya.
thanks for the troll, Carp.
doodie:
just asking the guys you would say have become markedly better as they’ve been with Tortorella
I will however give Torts the benefit of waiting to see if they call him up for the Caps game on Sunday. Perhaps they didn’t want him to not play for five straight games. Will see.
Predetermined in September, LW…..The trees were turning yellow, the season was nowhere near to be started. Torts was in a bad mood….
Carp, your point about Hartford as training for the NHL is well taken. I just think Kreider played some significant NHL playoff minutes last year, and certainly held his own (understatement). This year, given the extremely small sample size and coming off his injury, not so much. Still, aren’t last year’s playoff minutes more valuable than regular season NHL playoff minutes, and certainly both are more valuable to his development at this point than AHL minutes? Will he develop better and faster by playing against AHL hockey players than against NHL regulars at this point? I just don’t see it. And though he hasn’t exactly earned top 6 minutes yet this year, there are about 4 guys on our current roster that he can play circles around, in my opinion. not naming names.
and another member of the, “Rangers know best” contingent is heard from
My advice is to start drinking heavily!
Who are the young offensive players who developed in Hartford?
Hags – 17 games in hartford
Step – 0 games in Hartford
Kreider – 33 games in Hartford this season – 5 goals; last season POs 18 games – 5 goals
anyone else I am missing from this regime?
Realize the cupboard was not stocked full, but lets not think there is some magic happening there.
leading scorer is Newberries – ha!
more like Rangers are best
Who the hell knows best if the organization doesn’t, Lloyd? You? The fan base in general? Jesus
james,
why are you here then? just to say, “great job, boys!”
kind of dull
I don’t have any particular issue with Kreider being sent down, but everyone on this blog seems to overestimate their own knowledge and ability while also overestimating NYR’s. This is a franchise that has won only four Stanley Cups in nearly ninety years of being.
think Biron could have gotten in front of that meteor over Russia?
Maybe with his trapper, Fat Guy. Not his pads.
Eating lunch in a truck stop dinner in SD reading about the NYRs life is good!
wow just saw the news. i am not surprised by this. i think the versatility of miller playing center and wing keeps him up and the rangers are never concerned about the entry level crap. if they feel a kid could play they will play him and not worry about the future years in terms of a new deal.
kreider board play needs work. listen for kreider to be the player we want him to be he needs to be on our top line or top 6 and right now hes not. playing 7 mins a night and sitting in 3rd per of tight games will not help him.
Latona,
A large part of that is due to the management of the team acting like impulsive fans and eschewing player development for quick fix trades and ill conceived signings.
You think, Latona? If the could only have enough brains to run every decision they make by every knowledgeable hockey fan, they would’ve won another 10 SCs
How about Kreider being very tentative and indecisive with his play lately? Especially when the game is close? His goal was against NJ when the game was pretty much out of reach. Kid needs to put more mileage, needs to stop over thinking. His game is speed and deadly shot, he can’t react slow. He will be back very soon. Unless, of course, Torts decided last April that he is keeping him there until either of them retires.
think Carp listens to Brass Bonanza when he’s on the can?
If Kreider wasn’t going to play, it makes no sense to make him a “Black Ace”. As for some other players that have come through CT:
Callahan (60 games)
J.T. Miller (37 games)
Girardi (111 games)
And I would be surprised if Kreider wasn’t back up within a month.
my issue with John Tortorella is basically this. I think he’s capable of being an excellent coach, but I think it’s dishonest for anyone to claim he doesn’t let a personal agenda cloud his judgement. I feel that often times he’s too focused on sucking the offense of the games of he’s players to make them what he feels are more complete players, and I don’t know that the players are better off for it. Del Zotto would be an example of a guy I feel Tortorella has drummed the offense out of. DZ looked like an offensively savvy guy initially and now is starting to look like a liability on both ends. It’s possible he’s just not very good or that he’s scared to death and can no longer play his game. I don’t think he’s really improved even if he had a nice point total last season.
The constant benchings for making a turnover…only stands to reason you’re going to destroy creativity with that. It’s one thing to make a bad decision, that should be addressed, but he punishes aggressiveness – which is also the reason this team goes into a shell on the rare occasions they actually have a comfortable lead, no one wants to be caught dead in that offensive zone with a multi-goal lead. When you do that thing to anybody it makes them nervous, and when you do it to young players it saps their confidence. So yeah, I’m not sold that Tortorella knows how to develop offensive talent. As for playing defense, yeah, no argument there. But quite frankly, it’s not as challenging to develop the defensive end, especially if you’ve got forwards or defensemen who aren’t offensively gifted in the first place and don’t feel they’re conceding anything by being defense-first. You can teach people the right way to play defensively. Offensive talent isn’t really taught; only things you can do is nurture it or stifle it.
Add that to the long list of things you were wrong about
I don’t see how he was so horrible being that he was out a few games due to injury and when he is dressed to skate he is put on for maybe 9 minutes a game, tops… Not to mention the line he plays on really wasn’t much potential for anything until they called up Miller
Easy on the Connecticut hatred there, Duberstein! A few of us happen to call the beautiful nutmeg state our childhood home!
Actually, I don’t care. Hartford does suck.
We should have asked Rod about Kreider…he knew months ago.
I do think, ilb. And in addition, I said I have no issue with Kreider being sent down. While the organization has ceased to be an embarrassment since the lockout, they still haven’t won a trophy other than the Victoria Cup, so I think it’s quite foolish to have blind faith in their decision making i.e. James G.
CTB, absolutely.
wow you just discredited Kreider’s goal against New Jersey
are you actually John Tortorella
I get that Kreider hasn’t done much offensively yet, but he at least has the potential to score and is fast. ...and the Rangers desperately need that, even if it is to just put Kreider, Nash and Miller on the PP. Pyatt, Ka-Powe, Boyle, Ashem (and you can include Richards as well for the moment)may as well be playing with broom handles when they get a scoring chance. I love the Torts and trust him (sort of) to do the right thing with these kids, but sometimes his decisions leave me scratching my head. I would have kept Kreider up here and rotated who sits in the sky box based on who the opponent is that night and how they are playing in practice. I would much rather see the thoroughbred skating around, and gaining experience, than some of the clydesdales who are plodding along out there.
down 2 goals with 13:38 to go = game over to ilb
way to have faith in your team
Will not stop me
Do not bring up my name again to gratify your minions
Worse will be in store you Carpin-yellow belly.
The problem is that Kreider was not playing assertively enough to merit more playing time. He has the size, speed, and skill to become a player like Nash. He has been tentative, and I’ve seen him pull up on hits quite a few times. He needs to be a bit more definitive in all areas.
The kid is less than a year out of college. Not really sure why some on here act like he’ll never see the ice again.
I think he’ll be back but I think he should have been given more than 44 minutes of ice before being jettisoned to Hartford
Sorry, work got in the way.
Guys who have played professionally purely under Tortorella’s regime and have shown growth by doing so: McDonagh, MDZ, Hagelin, Stepan.
Guys who have played under Torts and Renney who have shown tremendous growth under Torts: Callahan, Girardi, Sauer.
Guys who have played elsewhere but have grown tremendously under Torts: Boyle, Stralman, Prust.
I’m going to ignore the work he did in Tampa, btw. But let’s face it: he’s good at developing hockey players.
For the record, I consider relatively few people on this blog, including myself, knowledgeable. I am extremely unversed in ice hockey.
I would have liked to see him in the lineup more. However, if he wasn’t going to get in the lineup right now, I’d rather see him getting top minutes in the AHL.
Doodie,
agree. Torts does know how to develop players…as do the coaches in Hartford.
MDZ is a totally different player than he was…could he be better, yeah! but he’s still young as well.
I know that’s not you
Latona,
I think “reactionary” and “knee-jerk” are better than knowledgeable…just sayini’
Who would you trust with your appendix- a surgeon who performed 1000 operation, or a computer programmer who watched a 1000 operations online?
Carp,
any idea why Hagelin wears his face shield over the top of his helmet? I mean his forehead is already protected.
ilb…a computer programmer who performed a 1000 operations…lol!
Tavares’ hair sticking out of his helmet makes him look like the Toxic Avenger
I certainly wouldn’t trust a computer programmer with my
appendageappendix.I think even Frank Tavares would score on Biron in the SO
was talking primarily about young players who broke into the league on Tortorella’s watch
McDonagh he definitely gets credit for. Stepan came out of the gate strong; not convinced he’s actually improved, to be honest. I’ve seen indications that he’s a far softer player than it originally appeared and may be playing out of his depth. I like Stepan as a player but I have doubts he’s a 2nd-line center. Hagelin has played well recently no doubt – just feel like we need to wait a while longer with him. He’s looked great the last few games and I hope it continues.
And then there’s Michael Del Zotto who I think is actually worse now than he was a few years ago. I know he had 41-points a year ago but the more I watch him, the less comfortable he appears to me in any open ice situation. That he’s prone to getting caught leaning wouldn’t be as big of a deal if I thought his offensive game was really good, but let’s fact it, he’s abysmal on the power play and hasn’t developed particularly good sense for when to join the rush. With Tortorella it’s always going to be defense first, and I get that, but I think Del Zotto’s game has been hindered a bit because of that.
The other forwards you mentioned are middling offensive, defense-first guys. Callahan was already good before Tortorella got here. If you want to say Tortorella’s intensity has rubbed off on Callahan and made him better, I can buy that, but I’m not going to say Tortorella made Ryan Callahan anymore than he made Staal or Girardi since those guys were already good when he got here. And really, the crux of my argument has to do with the offensive end. I think John Tortorella can improve defensive play all day long. The scoring side of things, eh, not convinced.
can someone answer why henrik has never worked on his skating or stick handling in the off season?
I don’t really think comparing the malfunction of a life-threatening vestigial organ to a hockey club temporarily demoting a young player is sensible or appropriate, ilb. But, to answer your question, the surgeon. There is no certainty, however, that the operation will succeed. And that was my point. Yes, the surgeon would succeed many more times than the programmer. Yet I feel many of us, myself included, tend to think more of both ourselves and of the Rangers than perhaps we should. Olga and Miami excluded, obviously.
Staal, that is a better way to phrase it, yes. I think the premise is the same.
Just imagine, Latona, you are that surgeon, and the above mentioned computer programmer tells you how to go about the surgery. That is what we all sound oftentimes.
Really, I don’t have a problem with the move, considering that Torts is playing him only a few minutes a night. Either play him or let him go down and play. If Torts has no intention of playing him, then sending him down is the best thing.
The problem is, even with CK not scoring his line is more of a threat that the other team has to pay attention to than using Boyle or Halperin or whoever. The team needs ONE more solid forward who can put the puck in the net. Maybe that’s coming in a trade, maybe not.
I guess Miller is here to say then.
I have a Hammond organ and the guy who works on it is an idiot. So, that proves the point. Doesn’t it? I guess not. Sorry.
It is not sensible or appropriate.
imagine if surgery was a spectator sport that thrived on the existence of people willing to shell out a significant percentage of their income to watch men play a game. and then imagine some hypocrite decided that the people who pay money to sustain the existence of said game were told they shouldn’t have an opinion and instead leave it to the experts.
Indeed we sound that way, but the organization does not seem to take heed, so I suppose our discussion is relatively moot.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, so let me tell you why Torts and all of you are ALL wrong
why hasnt Hank worked on his slap shot in the off season?
In regards to Biron stopping that meteor…it went through the five hole.
I have to admit, though….If it wasn’t for our opinions, we would have much less to discuss on the blog….But I guess eddie and coos could easily compensate :-).
yes thanks for giving us permission to talk, oh wise one
My goal is to never know enough about any one subject to be able to actually even have an opinion
If surgery was a spectator sport…I’d want Junior Mints.
I’m thinking of trading in my Hammond for a Vestigial organ but you have to play it prostate.
There biggest problem with the move is Kreider rarely played top 6 mins after his return from injury in the last 4 games. Torts put him on Line 3 with Boyle and Miller (another rookie) or with other checkers/plodders.
Given make up of team, could have moved him up with Step and Nash and moved Hags with Gabby and B Rich and played the best 6 offensive forwards – remember safe is death…
Kreider shooting 33% – put him with Nash and the kid will light the lamp…
He will be back soon enough, but now the team becomes less potent offensively.
Would that make Carp our resident Dr. Frankenstein?
I mean, Fronkenshteen?
no, stranger, the Rangers decided to demote Chris Kreider and no further discussion will be tolerated
LET’S GO RANGERS!!!!!
Lloyd, we’ll have to agree to disagree on MDZ because I think he has grown to become a much more complete hockey player from his first year when he was basically the same thing as Cam Fowler was in his rookie year. Sure, it’s easy to score a ton of points and look good on offense when you ignore playing defense. Likewise for Stepan, who I think is starting to figure out how to play offense without losing his defensive responsibilities. If he could only win a faceoff…
I didn’t mention Staal because I don’t think his game has improved all that much over the past couple of years, but c’mon, you can’t tell me that Girardi hasn’t improved leaps and bounds under Torts. People were whispering about him as an outside Norris candidate last year. Under Renney he was just a solid, but unspectacular 2nd pairing guy.
As for Callahan, Torts has trusted him to play offense. He was an injury away from 30 goals last season.
But let’s focus on forwards only, since the real debate is about Kreider. How many elite-level forward prospects have the Rangers had in their system in the past decade? One: Chris Kreider. JT Miller wasn’t even considered an elite offensive talent. So there is no basis for comparison as to what Torts and his staff can do with such a blue chipper.
But what I am saying is, given their track record on defense and with midlevel forward prospects, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on their handling of Kreider. Do I think it’s the right move? No. I think he should be playing 13-15 controlled minutes a night. But am I ready to storm the castle gates or say I don’t think Torts knows what he’s doing? Not at all. Because he’s shown me that he can do this.
If this were Renney, for example, I’d be at the next game starting a “Fire Renney” chant every 5 minutes. There’s a guy who is just awful at developing young players.
There are a lot of woe is me cynical people around here, and it is mostly justified. I think many of us have been fans of the team long enough to have seen the eras of bad free agent signings, missing the playoffs, the smurfs, etc.
The thing is, I believe in this current organization, and the direction they’re headed in. I am not a Rangers apologist, but there is a lot of reason to be hopeful. The core of the team is still very young, and I do believe there is a good chance to win the Cup within five years.
So, while I understand why some will bring up the 4 Cups in almost 90 years, I think all that history should also show you that they are about as close as they have been in a long time.
This place is just not the same place I married
Staal, they’re very refreshing!
well put, Gravy. Like I said, Torts has earned my trust. Earned. Not been blindly given.
Can you at least admit that Tortsy is closer to Tom Coughlin than Ray Handley?
I think he can be very Coughlinesque, actually. He will bench guys who commit turnovers.
Doodie, how about adding two guys who left- AA and Dubinsky?
Torts is often curt with the pro reporters. With some of you guys, he’d be throwing chairs, and I wouldn’t be the one to blame him.
The chairs must be bolted down up there, coos…..Must be!
Offensively, Dubinsky regressed under Torts. Anisimov showed flashes of brilliance, but never put it all together on a nightly basis. Both were excellent defensively.
I think both would continue to be very important players in NY. The move needed to be made, for sure.
Girardi’s not a better player than he was three years ago?
Girardi’s a better player than he was three years ago, no?
those last two posts back-to-back just hurt my eyes
Even Doodie thinks Girardi has improved…
Doodie:
Again, my focus is on the offensive side of the puck. I think Tortorella is more than capable of improving players defensively. I think Girardi is probably an overall better player than he was a few years ago; my comment was that he wasn’t a guy who broke into the league under Tortorella and had amassed skills prior to Tortorella taking over the team. But do I think he’s better now? Sure. But John Tortorella improving defensemen doesn’t really surprise me.
That being said, from what I see, Del Zotto is not as good as he was a few years ago. I see a very limited offensive presence and a somewhat average defensive player. Maybe that’s good enough, I don’t know. I thought more was expected from him than that. Del Zotto has no business being on the power play and I would hope the Tortorella regime could help in that capacity – it’s not really fair to single out DZ here either since this power play has been a joke for a long time and Tortorella is seemingly incapable of improving it.
The point about the Rangers not having an elite forward in forever is valid – and it’s pure speculation at this point that Kreider is that either. When was the last time the Rangers even drafted a guy who became a star NHL forward? Savard? Kovalev? Either way you’re going back roughly 2 decades. Maybe this organization just can’t scout and/or develop offensive talent and that’s the end of the story.
I’m going to go ahead and join the crowd that thinks Tort is good at developing hockey players. Because he is.
Oh, welcome back “Thom94”. Got your streams working OK now?
any chance that Kal-El hitched a ride on that meteor?
Oh, welcome back “Thom94”. Got your streams working OK now?
See what I did there? (To quote Latona)
if that Biogenesis list is legitimate, shouldn’t Spock’s name be on it?
How many elite forwards are there in the game? Probably not as many as there are teams. And were those guys actually drafted and developed by the team they are currently on?
Lloyd, I’m not saying he’s ever going to be an elite forward. I don’t know. What I am saying is that he is an elite level offensive prospect. The Rangers haven’t even had that since Pavel Brendl and Jamie Lundmark.
But given Torts’ work with our elite defensive talents, I’m going to give him some leeway on the other side of the puck as well.
I won’t lie, part of what gives me confidence is what he did in Tampa. Lecavalier, St. Louis, and Richards all became stars under his watch.
Are the people that chanted “Henrik, Henrik” after the 3rd goal yesterday the same people that chanted “Marty, Marty” in OT yesterday and the same people that chanted “We Dont Want You” middle of last year and the same people that chanted “We Want Avery” beginning of last year?
Lev: Yes.
They’re also the people who yell “SHOOT!” when a defending player is standing directly between our player and the goal.
I always seem to have the same lady indiscriminately screaming “Hit ‘em” every five minutes…and then her Honey Boo Boo family yells YEAH!
When will then be now?
SOON
NY is to blame, to an extent. They couldn’t just stink enough to draft very high for years….This city, supposedly, wouldn’t allow it. Just ask people who care- most of us would prefer they finish at the bottom from 1997-2004, instead of just finishing in the middle.
Oh, thanks for the welcome back “LW3H”. After much labour, streams did not work, thanks for asking.
Kreider should stay in Hartford for now, for whatever reason he wasn’t getting it done in our lineup and should get some playing time down there.
Last year I had this annoyign dbag behind me that tried to create his own chants with his dummy friend. Like they had rehearsed them before the game and tried to get them to catch on. And nobody ever chanted with them, not once.
The year before I had a guy who only said how Tortorella sucks and how they should play Avery on the 1st line and the PP. These comments came during the few moments that he managed to pry his lips off of Avery’s man parts.
I have a VW Golf. Not a bad putt-putt, and I can drive it safely a fair way as long as I’m not on grass.
ilb, it’s partly that, but we couldn’t even get one of the late round guys that blossoms into an elite level prospect in juniors.
Maybe Grachev counts in that regard, I suppose, but in hindsight, he got to ride some great coat tails playing with Duchene and Hodgson.
Not even elite level but there’s generally about 30 30 goal scorers a year. And you figure that some teams have a couple or at least a couple of guys that can score 30 (Crosby/Malkin, Toews/Kane, Sedins/Kesler).
We were one Callahan injury from havign 2 last year.
not surprised that Kreider was sent down. my main problem with it is Torts never put him in a position to succeed. started season on a line with Boyle, and we he came back from injury he was on a line with a fellow rookie. I would like to have seen him with Richards and Nash. then if he struggled you can understand him being sent down.
Yea, that’s my point CT (which you can probably back up with statistics and facts and stuff). Did the Kings have one? I mean, Anze Kopitar is good but is he an “elite” scorer? Carter and Richards the same.
It’s more about balance I think than just elite level players.
I’m not sitting behind Doodie at MSG ever again…
And when do we actually get to place some of the blame for players not improving on you know the players themselves.
Who knows if Kreider is being asked to do things on the bench and in practices but not translating that to in games situations. Remember, the big concern about bringing him into the playoffs last year was whether he could play a well rounded enough game to justify getting meaningful ice time. He scored some big goals, but there were also stretches where he could not be trusted because of his play without the puck.
And this year he’s been less than spectacular. Doesn’t mean he’s ruined, just means he’s got some learning today.
todayto do, not sure how that happenedThe Kreider is like a top. You wind him up and he’s good and then slowly but surely diminishes in vigor.
its about both Manny. need balanced scoring through the lineup. you also need elite level players to carry through the tough times.
No, Kopitar didn’t have 30, but he had 76 points. He’s maybe not an elite scorer but he’s an elite all around player.
In the day of the Original Six, there were 138 players. Now we have almost 700. Any wonder the talent has been watered? Baseball’s worse, ergo all the modern day lousy pitching, all the home runs, all the juice.
Good news is that at least we know we’ll keep Semin off the score sheet on Sunday night. Which is great, because my main new years resolution was to keep Semin off my sheets
We have a good combination right now I think. I’m fine with it. We have outstanding goaltending, tremendous defense (even if it isn’t a massive offensive power), two elite forwards, three above average forwards, some really good prospects and a few grinder/role players.
You sound like my wife, coos. Mrs. Manny hates expansion teams so I always tease her that she wants hockey to go back to the original six. She’s all about OLD TIME HOCKEY.
We need to get stronger down the middle.
Lloyd, I enjoyed discussing this with you today. Look! people on this blog had a full debate without resorting to name calling or personal attacks!
Elite
Most people, Doodie.
Well, Doodie, certainly people weren’t around! But yea, this was an awesome, respectful and intelligent (mostly) discussion!
I love the after loss conversations in here.
Easy Kreider needs to become Uneasy Kreider and play with Jam. Can’t argue against this move right now.
He’ll be back. just like Arnold.
Doodie:
That’s entirely possible and I’ve found happens more often than not except when a couple of people feel the need to inject themselves into discussions and turn things into a troll fest. But yes, enjoyable, I’ve always enjoyed that dynamic here.
By the way, it’s probably worth trying to define exactly what constitutes an elite goal scorer these days. Looking a bit like the upper end is in the 40-50 range (with a few outliers, naturally).
Woof – What a rough day at the office.
Hagelin – 3rd on the team in shots behind Gaborik and Nash
bull dog, I hear you on putting him in that top 6 role, but with the Hagelin-Stepan-Nash line clicking right now, the only spot for him would be with Richards and Gaborik. With Kreider’s struggles away from the puck, I’m not so sure that’s the best place to put him to give him a chance to succeed, either.
Lev February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Are the people that chanted “Henrik, Henrik” after the 3rd goal yesterday the same people that chanted “Marty, Marty” in OT yesterday and the same people that chanted “We Dont Want You” middle of last year and the same people that chanted “We Want Avery” beginning of last year
POST OF THE DAY! LMGO!
I think Hags was clicking with Richie last year and if anyone needs to get it going.
Nash could play with Boyle and get him 20 goals it seems
ilb had the erudite post of the day re: surgeons and programmers.
I’ll be back!
And I admit to being a computer programmer, clumsily performing heart surgery here myself on the (ahem) rare? occasion. It’s fun to play coach, but it’s all a play after all is said and done. Ain’t it?
Nash may be the first guy the Rangers have brought in in a really long time who makes the players around him noticeably better, and that’s much more impressive when you realize the guy isn’t a center.
I saw and followed many of the games of the original six, and I can assure you that though there were some great ones, the kids of today are bigger, stronger faster, and in many ways more talented.
“The Play’s the thing wherein I’ll catch the conscience of the King.” Hamlet, Act II, Scene II. Was he talking about Henrik?
definitely the best since Jagr
Well during Jagr’s monster season right after Lockout II he made just about the entire franchise look better.
700 of them, fran?
Not sure how many saw the ‘The Kreider’ interview between periods recently – can’t remember what game – he looked like his finger nails were about to be pulled off with pliers.
though, many have that reaction when trouser trout-face is asking the questions.
yeah I was just looking at his 05-06, CTB
dude was 44 points ahead of the next closest teammate to him in scoring. 2nd on the team in goals that year btw.: Petr Prucha with 30.
amazing thing about Prucha. Guy has 78 career goals. 52 of them came from 2 consecutive seasons.
stranger:
yeah saw that interview – looked like he was very uncomfortable and had very little to say.
but as you pointed out, Trautwig will do that to you. just think how awkward it must be for Hagelin to sit down with him knowing that Trautwig is eying him like Vernon Schillinger.
If I caught a Trautwig, I would either throw it back or donate it to Chico Resch.
I’m not looking to go after Nash today, but I was just wondering who exactly has he made better on the Rangers this season.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Hagelin
not buying what you are selling.
dont buy it. its free
Most top level nhl players spent little or no time in the minors; and I would rather see kreider in the nhl, but holy cow. For all we know he’s only going down for a few games or until he gets his confidence back. Not a big deal.
For all you Zuccarello fans out there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gs0L4f47ey8
Bull Dog
Hagelin and Stepan have both flourished since being put on a line with Nash.
Nash could score 40 goals and 50 assits and you would still not be happy with him. Its ok, its your opinion and you are entitled to it. Just remember who leads the team in scoring. And if not for 6-8 goal posts and the inability of some of the forwards and dmen like Mcd in boston and Mdz last night, he would be in the top three in scoring in the league. He has been great so far and will only get better.
Maybe Kreider going back to the Whale is for the best. you don’t want to see him get Gilroy’d. Develop the rising star properly.. we all saw the impact he made in the playoffs. Gotta be consistent.
I went to a handful of Whale games and while Kreider had some good games (showing sparks of brilliance) he seemed a bit disinterested.. floated around a bit. a lot of his shifts were extremely short though.. maybe they didn’t want to risk him getting hurt by some AHL lifer/thug with the NHL season coming up.
I’d really like to see Brian Boyle permanently on the 3rd/4th line and 2nd PK unit. There is really no reason to get cute and insert him on the top two lines.
now I have a good reason to watch the whale game tonight.
I only watched a few with Kreider. Those games are much more watchable if I listen to the opponents broadcast. That announcer for the Whale is TERRIBLE. I cannot stand listening to him at all.
He must go through about 4 diapers per game. Where did they find this clown?
I am going to trust that Tortorella and management know what they’re doing with Kreider. You know they want this kid contributing with the big club as much as we do. As Tortorella would say, I just see this as part of the process.
Tortorella had a quote that went like (to loosely paraphrase)
“I’ve seen it happen before where you rush a kid up and he’s done.”
and repeated the words “he’s done”. So gotta trust him for sure.
I’m ready, I’m steady, my name be triple eddie, I’m heady, bear be a teddy…...Sunday got the caps, mornings I crap, cheeks will flap, horn playing taps, fingers I snaps, lost? use maps…...
boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Eddie. Left one on the table last night
cinderella, tortorella, is he cruella?.....donna bella, girl named stella….i coulda been a champ, goin up the ramp, light the lamp, hobos and tramps, rain makes it damp…..
boyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Kitty N. Wang
papa :)
did i use Randy Wang already?
Wylie Wang
Sandy Wang
Hagelin and Stepan flourished with Gabby last season. the flourishing may have something to do with Hagelin and Stepan.
Czech,
I like Nash, but to say he has made anybody better this season is reaching.
Stu Wang
U. R. Wang
Smokey Wang
At the end of the day, it boils down to what happens after april 27th. If they make a deep run, we will all be happy and things worked out the way we hoped…if not, then we can start the armchair QB’ing.
This team is still trying to find itself and I am patient. All we need is top 8…preferably higher of course…......We can handle any team in the east even Pittsburgh so long as Hank is hot and we have success on special teams.
devils pulling a rangers in the first period
Lucky wang
Salty Wang
Donna Wang
Ryder Wang
Derek Stepan Wang
Ron Silver Wang
Mary Tyler Moore Wang
Crystal Wang
Frosty Wang
yor still wang
I. M. Dunn … with Wang
Pop Eyed Wang
Papa Wang
E.T. Wang
Roe Tate Wang
Gonna hang out with …..
Sir Irv Wang
B. Mai Wang
Seymour Wang
Wing Wang
Fear the Wang
Y. U. B. Wang
the Kreider after one more period in the AHL: 300 goals, 400 assists, no penalties… needs more jam.
E. A. T. Wang
oh yea a minus 1 in +/-
Wang Long
U Wang?
Hung Wang
William Hurt A. Wang
Dale Rolfe A. wang
For Whom the Bell Wang
Wanger
Tomb
Hey Torts, shut the fasth up!
JBytes A. Wang
Wang Gretzky
Jack Mai Wang
Quoth the Raven, NeverWang.
The Big Wang Theory
E3 said Wang
Harriet Mai Wang
Wang the Drum Slowly
Fla said Wang
Wang a gong, get it on
repost Holden Harry Wang…my personal fav
Jack London’s ‘White Wang’
Wang wang wang wang wang
Buffalo Wangs
Mr and Mrs. Juana Harry Wang
Alpha Eta Wang
Jeeves: You Wang, Sir?
Eta Nu Wang
Wu Wang.
Ron Low Wang
Lurch: “You wang?”
Goldilocks Mai Wang
wang-is khan
Seymour Harry Wang
Reggie Bush N. Wang
wang 10
Eta Mai Wang
wangin’ with mr. cooper
Lovie Mai Wang
Wang Redden
wang- is kong? That wasn’t Occidental!
Wangston Howell III
sorry, CT, kahn
Flo N. Wang
...just wanging out
Fireman Ed Wang
wangston hughes
Wang Chrebet
The Jets are Wang green
Wang’s World
Lots Of Dupe Wangs
Meg A. Hertz Wang
fountains of wang
Wang B. Free
Olive Oil Mai Wang
Wangland killings
The Wangover
Mister Bo Wangles
Mark Spits Wang
The Apple Dumpling Wang
Wangels Chips
the wangman’s noose
astronauts drink wang
Wangell Clarke
zugzwang
Wangile Dysfunction
Oliver and Hardy Wang
20,000 years in wang wang
Wang P. Moore
Charles Wang
E3, that was for your chess filled soul…
Brief pause – I’m checking my Rorschach
Pecker Wang
hark herald the angels wang
4everanger February 15th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
E3, that was for your chess filled soul…
hahahahahahahah….that is brilliant :) thank you
A Rorschach is not a thesaurus. What’s another word for thesaurus?
auld wang syne
What A Wonderful Wang
It’s pronounced thermometer, cooscoos.
chest fillet of sole?
Wang you finish, come over here
Wangerful!
Wang are we leaving?
a thesaurus is a thermometer? Works for me.
the NY Wangers
Should auld acqu-wang-tance be forgot,
And never brought to mind?
Should auld acqu-wang-tance be forgot,
And auld wang syne!
The New York Wanglanders.
Wangasaurus Rex
wangers and mash
Ole Wang’s sign – Scorpio
CTB – Isn’t that sung on Wanguary 1st?
chitty chitty wang wang
LMAO @ wangers and mash
Wangon Train
does that come after wangksgiving?
certainly after holloweenie
Nu Name Wang
Phil Mai Wang
Crosby, Chills, Nash and Wang
pull my wangon
float like a butterfly, wang like a bee
Wango Starr
who said with the police?...was it wang?
Merrill, Lynch, Pierce, Fenner, and Wang
Wangs R. Green
sang
Wang will you be back?
Detroit Red Wangs
Wang ‘em High
Wangie, Wang’s up?
2+2=5 is the wang answer
Wangaholics Wangnonimus
Darren Wang in the studio
This may all be some kind of weird research E3 is doing and plans to publish in ‘Psychology Today.’ Good think we’re using synonyms. I like synonym toast.
Wang Green
I often have Wangs of guilt.
Pierre McWang
Deb: “It’s not your imagination that Ponikarovsky scores every game against the Flyers. He has 10 goals in 37 career games against Philadelphia.”
I try to look in my rear view mirror before changing wangs
Synonym toast is the best
Caddyshack Wang
Diet Wang
I wonder why Carp hasn’t wanged in?
The Seen Deadly Synonyms.
Seven, seven, seven not seen. geesh
After seeing this, Carp has dropped hockey and moved on to restaurant reviewing.
You may be right cooscoos
He got Carpal tunnel syndrome from reading this, which can be very painful.
He has as good a sense of humor as any of us, but he has more dignity.
Ying and wang
Dig nick T.
Hope he doesn’t get called on the Carp-et for letting the blog get out of hand.
kreider demotion. cool. they had to much scoring on the big club already. maybe move halpern or powe or pyatt up. no need for speed this is the old hooking NHL…
torts is an idiot…..
And then 3C leaves us wanging, telling us that he has class, which none of us believes until we realize he’s talking about students. :-))
Ever play wangman noose?
Ah, the old Rod and Reel.
Carp sees this and he will wang into action
Cheech, Chong, and Wang
kreider is a finisher, the guys passing to him in the ahl are not exactly adam oates.
kreider playing with these hasbeens will not give him what he needs…
Wang I was young…..
Stuart – take your hockey talk else where
Whose wangling over price?
Stuart keeps talking while I am interrupting :-)
Wang I was 17, it was a very good year
What the wang?
Senator Charles Wangel
He’s a rep
You mean Hagelin
When I had radials, they were a very Goodyear.
Kooz you were thinking of Kate upton :)
Congressman charles rangel. never robbed enough to make senator
Wang does this blog ever get serious?
God, she’s as old as the hills
Next you’ll be hanging up posters of Patti Page over your bureau.
Wang will someone start a new thread?
Cally likes to wang against the woards
If Mae West were alive….. Well she wouldn’t be dead I spose
Wang, wang, wang went the trolley. You still have trolleys, wot?
WANG WANG WANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANGWANG
sorry…my WANG button got stuck
Have you guys seen this:
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416046
Wang the drum slowly
If Mae West married Jason Day, she’d be Mae Day and the coast guard would get involved.
Saw that, ilb. Never get between a capitalist and his payroll.
As 120 bloggers read ilb’s contribution…cue thumb twiddles
Accident or not Cooke=Carcillo
Big Wang Theory
Chatty chatty wang wang
Where were we?
I’m wanging in the rain…..
If Mae West Married Joe South…divorced him and married Nick East, she’d be Mae West South East.
good God i hate the Devils. came back and about to win 4-3. of course Ponikarovsky comes back to them and immediately scores a goal.
The House Committee on Un-Wang Activities
Wanging ten
May I Wang?
Wang zoom to the moon Alice
And then, if she married Martin St. Louis of the Lightning, she’d be Mae West South East St. Louis.
Wang will I be loved again…,
Then Louis Armstrong kooz after that
May west south east St. Louis Armstrong
Working on the wang gang
Boston down 2 with 4 to go
BOB N. Harry Wang
Bah stun blows
I got them steadily depressing, low down, mind messing working at the car wash blues.
Papa Bear Wang February 15th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Caddyshack Wang
This place is restricted Wang, so don’t tell them you’re Jewish!
If Half Jewish, tee it up, bit only 9 holes
I told them I was a genius; they said they had all they could use…
If you only gnu.
Hello May Lou, goodbye heart
Hey, you scratched my anchor
I believe whatcha say when you say you’re goin’ steady with nobody else but me…
You want to kiss my egg?
Nash reminds me of John Wayne, only quieter and without the hat
St Francis Eggsaviour
I didn’t see Malcolm X, but I read the hat.
I need a beer
Gee, I must be pretty bad if my own brother won’t even pick me.
I do not like Greene, X, and Ham
This guy threw at his own son in a father son game.
Ed Koch: ‘I need a bier.’
We Need To Get Stronger Down The Middle…....Wang
Bruce Wang
Don Drysdale would do that, just to toughen him up
What’s this? You’re wearing the shirt of the band you’re going to see? Don’t be that guy.
John Wang
Mom to Brad Marchand: “Stop picking your nose and put that shovel back in the garage.”
The bus is outta control. So I grab him by the collar, I take him out of the seat, I get behind the wheel, and now I’m driving the bus.
E3 -go with the Scotch it will wang you up a lot quicker
Yeah, that’s why I could never become president. That’s also why, from an early age, I never had any interest in politics. I refuse to vote. THEY DON’T WANT ME, I DON’T WANT THEM.
That… is one magic loogie.
Papa Wang – after this ice cold pilsner, scotch it is…. Watching Mickey Mouse clubhouse
Toews’ fight tonight reminded me of one of the coolest things connected to NHL players being in the Olympics: when David Backes started fighting all of Team Canada. This time he will fight Russians, Slovakians, and Anze Kopitar.
Neanderthal Jeans traced to Bifuglien. Challenges Christie to weigh in
David Backes, American Hero.
maybe we could go somewhere and just eat a bunch of caramels.
X Marc the staal
dromedary caramels?
Torts to Hags: “Put a couple of your horses in the Staal.”
One more scotch and I’ll be in the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse. Hanging out with my pang out.
Kenny Albert – Chris Christie is a huge fan of yours
I bet on a horse in 1989 that is still running.
(same race)
Sounds like Caber
Christie’s Caramels
His name was Faucet. He ran hot and cold.
Ah, hon, ya got Arby’s all over me.
Farrah Fawcett had assen cancer – that had to blow
Free Willy Wang
Donald Duck is a hoot
eddie just dropped the old turd in the punchbowl.
Huey, Dewey, Louie, and Uncle McRich
Pot hi said to hash oil, have you seen wimpy? I fronted him a Z, and he said he’d pay me on dues day
Dropped a deuce
I actually know a family named Duck. (True) Went out to dinner with them once and they tried to stick me with the bill.
..and typed without missing a beat
And they kept Peking at me over the menu
Did they live in Orange County?
Is the horse named “Caber”, coos?
Oops. Sorry eddie. Didn’t refresh.
very saucy remark
If someone is asked to ‘repeat,’ does that mean the first time they peated?
Did you emcee their roast?
They ducked out on the bill
Latona – great minds….
...drink a lot
Or did you chicken out?
Great mines have wealth
Grate mines are eroded
Never got all the Caber jokes, Latona, is that Bryan McCabe? Forgive the ignorance.
Ray Lewis: “What’s mines is mines”
Wash rinse repeat …. Soon shampoo all gone
In Killarney, when the stove is getting cold, you repeat
Kooz – caber is still skating back to the bench in game 5 of 2010-11 playoffs.
Re: Pete Rose…. No hall for him
Tullamore Dew tonight, eddie. Triple distilled. eat your heart out. I usually don’t start ‘til 12 at home (AM), but I hereby make an exception.
Imported by Sky Spirits, San Francisco which lends it a lot more romance than Rutherford, NJ
Bud Selig is Ducking the issue
Oh yeah? I am thinking about going to the store and buying some miller lite.
....then pour it out in the parking lot cause that stuff is rank
If you drink Miller Lite, you’re better off just flushing once at the end of each night to lessen the water bill
Somewhere in this house I have some 1940 don Julio tequila. Maybe the smoothest stuff ever poured.
I was sure you were kidding. Your palate is much more refined if I remember old posts.
Haven’t had Tequila since I was a kid in Texas (sorry) Still worms in the bottom?
Just the name Don Julio and you’re on your way to flying first class
I like pilsners, Irish stouts, Guinness, and Bass for beers…. But I live in serious wine country…..
1940! That’s older than Chris Chelios
I drank well as a kid…. Palate was trained early
The Grapes of Roth. Something to do with Philip Roth’s testicles, I think.
Silver Patron is my fav sipping tequila …. But Recently I had some almond tequila that was softer than a down pillow
You had all that sacristy wine available. Ernest and Julio
Well, this is Steinbeck country
Of late, we have dabbled in 19th century Maderias. The blood of Jesus
‘Tortilla Flat” Sounds like a Mexican beer that has sat too long
Funny thing, I really don’t drink too much
Don’t think I’ve mentioned this in a couple of days … you guys are awesome.
Lacryma Christi “Have some madeira, my dear, it’s oh so much quicker than beer” I think that was Ogden Nash
Travels with chucky
Carp – I know you don’t throw em back anymore… But should we ever meet up, I buy ya a Pepsi with lemon.
Ricardo – we did wang rd. 2 tonight
Well, thanks Carp. At least we admit we’re not smarter than Tortorella when we talk ice unlike some, uh “visitors” ...I’ll just let that go
Quite a few closeted wangers emerged tonight
East of Eden is the lil woman’s fav novel
Kooz – we will be up in Napa this weekend …. Talk about quenching a thirst.
Powerful! Did you know James Dean (He was in the flic) was dyslexic and couldn’t memorize lines so improvised a lot? Thus his stumbling dialogue, etc. If he weren’t dyslexic, he would probably have been just a pretty boy bore.
Anyone watching those Black Hawks?
4-1 over SJ in the third.
I read that the Yanks are talking about bringing back Wang.
I think Lloyd makes many a good argument. I like his passion. Plus, he is my sole Avery-fan supporter.
Olga – watching Mickey Mouse with my lil angel….
Lloyd can be a Llittle Lloony sometimes…
Hank – is wang’s arm ok?
Hey, no problemo – this is, after all, a repository for ideas, griping, advice, etc. It’s like the Army without a war, you have to have your little ones in camp. The ad-hominems get me down, but they are few and far between.
Little looney is never a bad thing
Is that what you call it, you sick bass turd?
:)
I agree with that… I mostly just riff nonsense anyway.
I liked Avery’s energy and shenanigans, especially with Brodeur. I laughed ‘til I cried. But he did some nasty verbal ad hominems on a new level
I am really surprised I haven’t been told to bug off…. I annoy myself at times…...
Olga u were hysterical last night… Russel up some wang!!! :)
Olga makes me laugh….again!
Avery great forechecker too… Not such a great finisher but he had wheels
The trouble with ad hominems is they sound just like some other word…
We’re tiny, we’re toony, we’re all a little loony, and in this cartoony we’re invading your TV!
Ralph Cramden loved hominem hominem hominem
Latona – you were a little spunky earlier too :)
I prefer ab hominems, anyway.
Olga – pray the hawks don’t flame out… This early run is insane.
The homily was my favorite part of mass.
are ab hominems stomach exercises for early homo sapiens?
3E, Wang threw for the Yanks recently. He is pitching in the WBC where they will scout him. They are reportedly “keeping an eye’ on the Wang.
Ite, Missa Est. I was going to use that weeks ago for signing out, but I didn’t think anyone would know what the hell I was talking about.
Too bad we all don’t live in the same neighborhood. I imagine we’d have a blast at the corner tavern on a Friday night….
They were, coos. The technique has long been forgotten, but some modern enthusiasts say you just have to Wang it.
Hawks win!
ilb said today that (something like) if you need heart surgery, you use a heart surgeon, not a computer programmer, and he got three arguments to the contrary. I laughed all the way to the emergency room.
Hominems are just white corn paste M&M’s.
Duff’s Tavern. Doh!
These days, it’s just the mass is over, go forth in peace…
Chicago still on pace for 45-0-3
Funny thing, the field of robotics and computer programming IS doing surgery these days….
Olga – hawks will start resting regulars in a few weeks.
Hemorrhoids? I knew a guy once, his nickname was Hemi, short for hemorrhoids. Laughed every time I heard him referred to as that.
Latona – you were busting balls earlier… I forget with whom
I love those Chicago sweaters. If you buy one, at least you get your money’s worth
I knew a guy named Davenport, we nicknamed him “Couch”.
Pilots don’t fly planes any more – all wire, except for the guy who went down in the Hudson River.
I knew a guy named Couch and we called him Davenport. But, we did live in Greenwich at the time.
Ducks – Wangs on
I had a job as a pilot. In a bakery.
I would take bread from one spot and pilot in another.
Mike Babcock
His name was Ottoman Couch III
You know me, eddie. I’m a pugnacious, aggressive bonehead through and through.
Rich Pilon – Norris winner
Nothing wrong with that Latona – I never sensed you were a contrarian….
ut you’re a punctilious speller, Lats, and as such, must be taken seriously.
If only we had Lats in front of the net every now and again.
Kathryn Tappen Wang
That is why I like Lloyd – he likes to rumble.
Quite the contrarian, e3.
I like to think of myself as a Holmstrom-Beukeboom combination. That’s my favorite spot in both zones, coos.
Would be better if it was Wang Tappen Kathryn.
I once worked in a bakery in Rye, but it was seedy and the bread wasn’t much.
You say tomato, I say tomato
Latona – the first NHL defenseman since the 80’s who could clear the net AND spell!
They both sound the same to me, Eddie
I worked in a factory that made women’s underwear. I was pulling down about 200 a week.
long a somewhere, eh?
Just a panty 200 a week?
I worked in an air conditioning factory – coolie wages.
I dreamt I was a muffler last night – I woke up exhausted.
Beef Bourguignon, best French Canadian crease- clearer of all time.
I tried to get a job as a lumberjack. There was a sign saying “Wanted: Tree Fellers” but there were only two of us…
But you had the Midas touch!
DelZ drove down to Orlando, but he saw a sign that said DISNEYLAND LEFT, so he turned around and drove home.
I was an artist. I painted men and women. MEN on one door, WOMEN on the other.
DelZ finally got his pilot’s license. First flight, coming in, the tower asked for his height and position, and he said, ‘I’m five-eleven and I’m in the front of the plane.”
I bet you I could stop gambling.
I go to all the rock concerts and when a young fox passes out, they say, is there a doctor in the house? and I oblige. Took them four years to find out I was a doctor of English Literature.
Someone said to W.C. Fields, a real woman could stop you drinking. Fields replied, “She’d have to be a very BIG woman.”
El Paso – I spent a month there one night.
I haven’t had a drink in over 100 days.
Thank God for nights…
Ha Fields said that about Philadelphia, too Spent some time in El Paso, BTW, and Nuevo Laredo.
Jonathan Toews is awesome. Gotta love how he went right after Jumbo Shrimp.
I had a job in a watch factory. I stood around all day, making faces.
Bartender in San Antonio said to me, ‘watch your language.’ I said to him, ‘English. What’s yours?’
Black Hawks are awesome. I would kill for a Chicago-Rangers Finals.
Had a job in a detergent factory that also made watches. Hard to stem the Tide.
I would kill for a Nobel Peace Prize!
Then I worked for a Proctologist once. I was giving patients pain killer injections. But I left after a little while. It was a dead end job…
All his patients were a..holes.
I’d give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
I can’t believe all the proficient spellers here tonight.
I once had a job in a Deli. I was fired for putting my finger in a meat slicer. She was fired, too…. I didn’t know she was married to the owner!
I didn’t have a tie, so I went into this fancy restaurant with jumper cables wrapped around my neck. The Maitre d’ said, ‘don’t try to start anything in here.’
Hello, Deli!
And eddie is busy wrapping his lips around a bottle of 194O Don something tequila.
While we work like dogs!
I named my dog ‘Sit.’ but when I tell him to sit, he comes.
in a manner of speaking.
Youse guys are sterical
Two antennae meet on a roof, fall in love get married. The ceremony wasn’t much but the reception was fantastic.
Deli Server: “Hey Old Man, how about a nice fresh tomato? No thanks, my wife is in the car.”
spherical
Was putting the little one down.
Two antennae? You expect me to run that up the chimney and see who salutes?
the child, or the jigger of Jagermeister? :-)
How old are your kids, E3 as if it’s any of my business…
putting the little one down? So now THAT’s what you call it? Zip up your pants, pervert!
:)
“Doc, I got this song keeps running around in my head. I can’t stop singing ‘Why Oh Why Delilah’.”
“That sounds like Tom Jones Syndrome.”
“Is it common?”
“It’s Not Unusual.”
Damn, without looking, I just took a swig of my iced tea instead of my Tullamore Dew. Shocking!
Yeah, really, Olga. I thought we were going with Wang around here.
7 and 25
5 different wives.
“What’s new P….” I can’t say that on here. I once innocently called Torts that and I was trashbinned.
really 5 wives? Think of how bored the other 4 must be with you not around.
I am mormon
I converted
Theses days I just watch… More fun
When I left the seminary it was because eventually I would have to take vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. Couldn’t do it, so I got married and got all 3.
All at once? Gotta love that Brigham Young
You’re Ethel Mormon?!
I get an allowance… Less than a paper boy’s wage
I love a parade
With Ethyl Mormon, you can have as much gas as you want.
EEE: Do you speak with unforked tongue?
Did any of you see footage of that meteor that smashed into mutha russia?
If you love Brigham Young, you don’t need 5 wives…
Tgfgg thgfhhjkk dghjhgffjkkjg. Gfddgjkgddhjg hjjgfddgjjkhddssg
Did you know that Steve Young, who played QB at Greenwich, Ct. High School and then at Brigham Young, then, of course, in the pros, is a great great descendant of Brigham Young?
I just said resign Avery
One can only presume that the last E3 contribution was forked tongues.
When you say resign Avery, I keep looking for the comma after resign.
He was a bastage son
He was the last piece. Crosby Stills Nash and Brigham Young.
No high fen for me
Cowgirls in the sand
George Sand was a woman.
No wang then, eh?
Sandy Alderson is a genial wonk.
I’ve been listening to a lot of CSN lately. I wonder if subconsciously it has to do with your many jokes, Olga.
She was Frederic Chopin’s lady friend
I knew a girl sandy champagne – both names suited her at various times
Latona, I like listening to them a lot. Reminds me of the sixties. And I don’t remember a lot about the sixties… :)
What is CSN? Communist Satellite News?
Chopin always reminds me of my cocaine days
CSN Cablevision Sports Network?
Speaking of champagne – wife number 3 just popped a cork
Woah, woah, woah, coos. That was too far. I am no red element.
Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much biology
Don’t know much about a science book
Don’t know much about the French I took…
I’m red, white, and broke
Red wang
so to speak
Don’t let it bring you down is a gorgeous song
Just trying to get Latona’s dander up before I send him in on the next D line…
Don’t let it bring you down? Is that about Ducks?
Amazing harmony
White cane lying in the gutter in the lane….
CSN I’m not good at initials.
A guy walks into the psychiatrist wearing only Glad Wrap for shorts. The shrink says, “Well, I can clearly see your nuts.”
.... It’s only castles burning, find someone who is turning and you will come around.
Olga – were they peanuts? Or cashews?
Great balls of fire
dead man lying by the side of the road
with daylight in his eyes
Don’t let it bring you down
With the lorries falling by…
a man needs a maid
its hard to make that change
when life and love turns strange
Richard III recently found buried in a parking lot. Literally a speed bump in history
Well kiddies, I gotta go. Long day, fine finish.
Later…
my kingdom for a horse
Audi revoir, mate
Wilbur…...
Sly Dunbar and Robbie Shakespeare
Taxi squad…drum and the bass try to move ya waist, bra
Solidarity
Jah
Move from side to side mon
I have absolutely no freeken idea what freek Tort’s is doing.. I’ve been a true fan of his so far this year until now. Kreider plays well to the level of his competition. He became a very disinterested player at Hartford during the work stopage. I have no freeken idea how this is going to help the kid and not hurt the Rangers. During his play with the team was he really one of the Rangers worst players. Give me a freeken brake I’m freeken pissed. I just think Tort’s with his warped mind has this mental boner for the kid and this is going nowhere. Unfortunately., with this somewhar disfunction coach there always has to be someone to replace ave’s in Tort’s freeken doghouse. Dubie last year, Boyle this and now Kreider. Most of Tort’s remedial measures make little sense and just feed Torts own insecurites. Why change the line up the other nite when we were on a run. Disagree with you Carp but I do have that right why in Gods’s name to put Biron in there vs the Isles when you could have won with Henrik, particularly in the shoot out. Let Biron play Sunday vs the caps who suck. Carp, when would Torts after a game that the Rangers lost ever say well we won 3 out of 4 points. Both games were really freeken dirty. A coach shouldn’t effect a game the Rangers should win. With his jackass temperment he all too often over-coaches to the team detriment. Sorry but really pissed.
Lone Ranger – I think Kreider will be back sooner than later.
Brad Richards
2012-2013: $6,666,666.66
2013-2014: $6,666,666.66
2014-2015: $6,666,666.66
2013-2016: $6,666,666.66
2013-2017: $6,666,666.66
2013-2018: $6,666,666.66
2013-2019: $6,666,666.66
2013-2020: UFA
How could this go wrong?
Tomb
I don’t get it
Those are devilish numbers.
Read some of the earlier postsby now and agree that torts hasn’t had that great effect on the improvement of DZ. he’s a freeken offensive player who is being terribly hindered by this coaches totally defensive mindset. He afraid to make a mistake and he’s become an increasing poorer player. Most players that Torts has been given credit for improvement wer very good playersbefore Torts came ie, Callahan, Giradi & Staal. Who are the playersthat Torts has made better somebodygive me list. Stop over coaching. By the way when the Tampa Bay won the Stanley Cup was it Tort’s that may their PP that could or were they just that good. Look at the players tahey had. I’m convinced that Tort’s has no idea how to develop a pp.STOP OVER COACHING
JR – “no was is a 5 on 3 a two man advantage – do the math”
Is this thing on?
I think it was the right thing to do with kreider. Out of all the ranger forwards, I honestly thought he was playing the worst.
we owe Brad a lot of money for a lot more years. That was my point.
Kreider still looked lost in Hartford tonight, but not too bad. zero shots on goal, minus 1, one penalty.
they play Sat. and Sun. so I bet by then he will quit over thinking and start playing.
679 posts on an off-night? What a bunch of Wangers.
Yikes, I think you guys should meet at the corner bar…must be hard up for social life with all this banter last night. Think only one of the two BC alumni could play at any one time, and Boyle had seniority. Truthfully, I think they expect Boyle to mentor the kid and it was too much along with the focus on improving play for Boyle. If Kreider can play to his potential in Hartford, he’ll be back at some point in time; if not, we’ll wish we had traded him instead of AA.
Good morning, boneheads!
Um, interesting stuff last night, folks. Lol.
Tomb, it’s his cap hit. Last three years his salary is $1M per. If they decide to buy him out after 2013-2014 season ( the most logical choice), they’ll have to pay him $1.5M for 12 years. No cap hit.
Is this thing on?
Where is Eddie and where is coos when you need ‘em?
You have Kenny! lol – morning guys!, morning ilb
Hi, Kenny!
In Tort I Trust.
I think he was absolutely the perfect choice to coach this team after Renney, and I still believe he’s doing the right things to develop this team into a championship caliber contender. Kreider going down was inevitable and probably necessary.
Does no one here remember Callahan being sent down to the AHL for a while? And what happened when he came back up?
Carp, late to this post but ,why can’t Krieder be a
victim” of the usual MSG pr staff and historical fan duping of”irrational exuberance”?
Renney? He only made the playoffs for most of his tenure but left Torts with a playoff team. Slappy threw him under the bus!
Place the blame for Ranger failures where it belongs, Jimmy Guitar and Slappy who is now in his 13th. year of failure after at least another 10 with the Oilers.
The least respected GM in the NHL!
How does the lineup of GMs on the Island look, Comnsnse?
Renney’s teams may have made the playoffs, but they were never a legit threat to go far.
Not for nothing but Marek Malik was on the top D pairing for most of those years. Guys like Ville Niemenen rounded out the “depth” coming out of the lock out ‘04. Those teams never had a chance with our without Renney. I blame Sather and Dolan…but Renney couldn’t help the situation.
Torts at least has some impact on the personnel decisions and has some kind of vision for the future. Renney may have had been a good guy with the kids, but he never put his stamp on the team, never gave the team a real singular mindset, could never have pushed them to the next level. I think Torts can. Torts wont roll over like Renney probably did IMO, and he can “impose his will” on Sather/Dolan.
The problem here is that Krieder hates NYR…and Torts hates Kreider (and deep fried trout)...so until they learn how to love each other nothing will change.
No playoffs.
is it possible that after watching Kreider have some success in the playoffs last year, ranger fans got to gaga over Kreider, thinking he was going to be this scoring machine, just saying…
Kreider has been Avery’ed
John Muckler would play Kreider 20 + minutes per game
The biggest difference in coaching styles between torts and Muckler boils down to one of them was not really alive.
Kreider = Dubinsky 2.0
Meaning, in 4 years we will trade him (Kreider along with JTM) for Bobby Ryan
Z
Z – last letter in the alphabet.
Zed is dead baby, zed is dead
Cccp – missed ya last night
Step aside Butch
You hear me talking hillbilly boy?
Do we seriously think the rangers will buy out Richards?
I feel very “pulp fiction” for some reason
all is good in rangerland we did not have to break up the dynamic Halpern, asham, and powe trifecta ..WOW all is good. the line with 1 point for the season…1 total point, but growing with a guy like kreider is to much to ask after all asham is a defensive demon.
stupid bullheaded torts…at least the schmuck allowed Miller to stay. shocking….
Anyone see the goal by prospect Fogarty from Notre Dame. What moves.
He may be a candidate, Wicky…They still have one amnesty buyout left to use after this or after the next season. I feel they will give him two more playoff opportunities before deciding whether to buy him out. But I do not think it’s a forgone conclusion by any stretch….
Bickel getting a spot on the 2nd line with Stepan and Hagelin, with Nash not practicing today.
Bickel probably coaching Stepan on faceoffs.
Took in an AHL game last night…had the pleasure of seeing Paul Mara and Patrick Rissmiller in action. Ghosts of the Renney Days.
Hello all. I was supposed to go to the game tomorrow with my brother. The person we get our tickets from got the dates confused and sold our tickets. If anyone knows of anyone selling, please drop me a line on here or on twitter at @NastySays. I was really looking forward to going and this just plain sucks now.
Just looking at the roster from Renney’s last year coaching. 30 players got a turn for the Rangers that year, 15 of them are no longer playing in the NHL.
lone, I know I won’t ever convince you of this … Tortorella loves Kreider. Just thinks he is not ready for the NHL. Warned us of that during the playoffs, even. Then heading into this season.
And yes, to those who asked, this was a typical example of fans going nutso over a kid after a short sample. Kreider isn’t seen as a slam-dunk first-line 40-goal winger. Scouts drooled over his speed, size and shot. Tortorella wanted him here sooner than he actually got him so he could begin the development process.
But we saw this with Daniel Goneau, Steven King, now J.T. Miller … a quick couple of goals and everybody thinks superstar.
Kreider, though, is going to be a legit NHL player for a long time (Miller too). That doesn’t mean you force him into an NHL roster spot on a contending team with high expectations if he’s not ready to handle it.
And let’s be honest, Kreider was explosive in the playoffs, but he had a couple of nightmare games, too—and he hasn’t been good at all this year. If you can be honest about that …
Jack, how’s that astronaut pen?
Good morning, Sally!
Muckler, if alive, would love Kreider on the wang
This here is between you me and soon to be spending the rest of his short assen life in agonizing pain rapist here…
Torts ruined the Kreider in those 30+ games with the Whale where he was less than productive too.
Jeopardy category…... therapists
Sean Connery: I have the rapist for 2 hundred.
CTB – exactly…. By osmosis….. Many a young player is oxidized that way….
You here me talking hillbilly boy, I’m gonna go mid evil on yo assen
The Pen Is Mightier
Good. I knew it was time to bench Nash!
medieval?
I hope you ain’t talking bout Crosby.
You’re sitting on a goldmine here Trebek.
I’m on a auto correcting, spell nullifying, angry causing ipad
We’re not buying out Richards. That’s just crazy talk. We will probably lose Gaborik and thus have ample cap space for it to not matter anyways.
That’s not what your mother said
Answer: Indoors
Trebek: Oh my god. Are we filming this? Sean Connery has answered indoors. Let’s see what he wagered
Answer: I <3 Boobs
(works better on the show)
Moo
The letter V, which is also roman numeral 5, so despite your best efforts Mr. Connery you managed to answer correctly. And your wager…
sucK it Trebek
One last question
Sure Sean, anything
Do they make them for men? hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Thanks ILB
I think that miller stayed at this point over kreider (not just because he can play centre) because miller does the “straight ahead” things right now that keep him in the NHL ie hit, play a bit tougher along the boards. seems to just be more physical.
kreider seemed to be a bit soft for his size.
Im not saying he is a bust so don’t even go there, just saying he needs some “bite” to his game at the NHL level.
P o o p
Bite? Trade for Grabovski
Or Burrows
Say anything….. Just write down any word
He may not hate Kreider, but he obviously is showing favouritism to the fourth line whose roles Kreider isn’t really competing for and he doesn’t want his team to score goals because…I don’t know.
More seriously, I definitely share some disappointment that Kreider hasn’t (a) put up big numbers in the AHL during the lockout or (b) immediately shown he’s already a top-six scoring forward, because it would be nice for a Ranger prospect to do that in my lifetime. Just can’t work myself into an angry rage about the coach’s hidden agenda etc.
I’ll take swords for 500
That’s S-words
Your mutha
That agenda will be revealed at a controversial incident up in Buffalo. We’ll all be wondering what was said/what happened for a long time afterwards. Ok, maybe not all of us.
Turd ferguson
Funny name
CT
I’d take burrows in a heartbeat
Sean – well well fancy seeing you again Trebeck
Alex – not long enough
Sean – that’s not what your mother said last night
Alex – of Simon and garfunkle, the one that isn’t garfunkle
Sean – could you repeat the question?
Alex repeats the question
Sean – I garfunkled your mutha last night
Carp, what are you wowing about with Cooke?
He’s no longer considered a repeat offender by conditions of the CBA, Doodie.
The International Olympic Committee is dropping wrestling, an olympic sport since 700 BC, and adding Salad Preparation Competitions.
Bobby Flay always knew that thyme was on his side.
I just want to make people silky-smooth!
Oil Olay said the matador
good grief stuart im just waiting for one of your posts to not be a condescending whine.
Kreider is nowhere near ready. Everyone here was jumping up and down during the playoffs when he scored those couple of goals. He had some very ugly moments in there as well. Moments that seemed to triple to start this year.
Cooke isnt considered a repeat offender now. This is becoming a joke. Im assuming next Karlsson will need to call Cooke and apologize for the public outcry towards Cooke when in fact it was all Karlsson’s fault for putting his achilles under Cooke’s uncontrollable leg?
Burrows comes – who goes?
Cooke will rue the day….
Watching Sarnia and Windsor on the NHL Network….
Wow…for 17-19 year-old kids, they are all huge…
I think both of these teams could beat the Islanders…
Thanks, Carp, that was a very kind response considering my angst last night. But do you really think he’s going to improve with the Whale. Did you follow the games during the first 3 months??? He did nothing. Regarding Torts, can you buy into any of the following. Most coaches can teach as well as Torts’s but what makes Tort’s special is that he’s excellent at convincing 23 relatively intelligent players to play a system that makes them human targets for blocking shots of 125mph or more. Usually after 60 or so games you have a few injuries you don’t need and a team that becomes really worn down. Now this worked well because Henik single-handedly stole at least 15 games for us last year. We had no gas left in the tank during the semis with the Devils. I do believe he has not done his job with our very poor numbers on the power play particularly in 5-3 situations. Conrtolling center ice is really the key in winning hockey games and we do lose when were light along the boards.
Lev, I saw on one of the blogs some genius mentioned it was Karlsson’s fault because he didn’t wear Kevlar socks…
Gene Melnyk said everything that needed to be said.
Cooke shouldn’t have even had the opportunity to cause such an “accident”.
Hockey would be a better game without him. If he wants remorse for his past, he should go to penance…
It was a cheap, sneaky, kick to the back of the leg that slipped and cut Karlsson….
Well if coaches were strictly evaluated on their teams’ PP performance I guess Sutter and Julien can hand back their Stanley Cup rings.
ilb, i saw that too! dont remember where though. Perhaps on the nhl.com site. What a joke.
lone, the only part on which I will disagree … and have since last May … is this idea the Rangers were out of gas against the Devils. They lost that series because they couldn’t score, and because the Devils’ depth did score … and if Richards, Gaborik, Hagelin, McDonagh and Girardi hadn’t been doing snow angels all around a wide-open Henrique in overtime, maybe they get to Game 7, maybe get to the finals, who knows what happens vs. L.A.?
Doodie, that the “repeat offender” status runs out after 18 months after the last suspension.
Cooke and players like him do not deserve to play sport and get paid to play sport. There are always bad seeds.
from the Washington Post, via SNY blog:
According to Katie Carera, Braden Holtby will start tomorrow for Capitals against the Rangers.
She also notes that coach Adam Oates said that Mike Green has a lower body injury and will travel with the team to NY tomorrow. If he can’t play, former Ranger Tom Poti will play.
Carerra notes that former Ranger Wojtek Wolski is skating on a line with Nicklas Backstrom and Trou Brouwer.
Alexander Ovechkin skates with Mike Ribeiro and Jason Chimera.
Poti and Wolski hat tricks each. Holtby turns back the clock on his 1980’s GAA and save % into something resembling a modern NHL goalie. Rangers are slew by: http://www.wildlife-fantasy.com/artwork/chimera.jpg
I wonder if they’re going to Il Mulino tonight. Maybe I should make reservations too….It worked before game 7 :-)
lone, there’s a reason no team has ever advanced to the Stanley Cup Finals after going the distance in the first 2 rounds. When a team plays 20 playoff games (of playoff intensity + overtime periods) in 40 days, there isn’t the necessary time in between games to heal/rest the body and rest the mind. Sure, as Carp said, they couldnt score and the Devils depth did score, but fatigue also played a role in their loss.
Why does Jason Chimera turn into Wayne Gretzky every time he plays the Rangers? His stat line suggests he doesn’t light up every other team.
I will stand and applaud at home if Poti Pourri makes an appearance.
$50 for a plate of ravioli. Only MDs and NHL stars can afford that stuff, ilb. :-)
Good afternoon all! Ilb, you should definitely go! And if you still don’t want to spit, maybe baby ilb can “accidently” drool in their dish :)
sorry, Mama.
new post.
Chimera is a literal monster. Fire breathing she monster with lion’s head, goat’s body and serpent’s tail.
Uh…perhaps he is a figurative monster.
and hooves, coos. But new post.
NEW POST
iLB2001, how about a friendly internet wager for bragging rights?
I say the Islanders will make a Cup appearance before the Rangers!
I say the Islanders already have a better group of forwards than the Rangers.
I say the Islanders are building with both current and prospects, a better group of defensemen than the Rangers.
Lastly I say without Lundqvist’s acrobatics the Rangers have zero chance of ever making the playoffs!
Without Lundqvist this is at best a middle of the pack roster and organization with 1 Cup in 72 years when the Islanders an expansion team has won 4!
Ilb2001, note I didn’t mention the millions wasted by this fraud of a GM or the draft record which has NEVER produced a #1 D nor a power forward worth discussing….........unless he came from another team!