So much for mediation … next up: de-certification?


From the NHL:


NEW YORK (November 29, 2012) — NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly

issued the following statement regarding the two days of meetings that

concluded today with representatives of the NHL Players’ Association under

the auspices of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service:

“Today, we concluded two days of mediation with FMCS mediators and

representatives of the NHL Players’ Association.  After spending several

hours with both sides over two days, the presiding mediators concluded that

the parties remained far apart, and that no progress toward a resolution

could be made through further mediation at this point in time.  We are

disappointed that the mediation process was not successful.”


From the NHLPA:


TORONTO (November 29, 2012): Don Fehr, National Hockey League Players’ Association (NHLPA) Executive Director issued the following statement after the second day of meetings with the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service (FMCS):

“Today, players and NHLPA staff, along with representatives of the league, concluded a second day of mediation under the auspices of the FMCS.  This afternoon, the mediators informed the parties that they did not think it was productive to continue the discussions further today.  The mediators indicated that they would stay in contact with the league and the NHLPA, and would call the parties back together when they thought the time was right.”


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  1. Blow up the league I say, get rid of the bush-league President, start a new league, with adopted rules and 20 or so teams.

    There is just no economy right now for all these teams and won’t be for a long time.

    I’d make Gretzky the league President and start over.

  2. Not sure what the repercussions would be, Staal … other than there’d be a lot of courtroom crap going on as the players try to have the lockout ruled to be illegal. I’m not smart enough to know what it would mean for a new CBA.

  3. Unbelievable! Unfingbelievable! They should send the owners to the Rockaway’s and the players to Midland Beach in Staten Island so they can get a dose of reality. These greedy bastards, once they settle, we should lock ’em all out for a year.

  4. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " There goes get Nash!!"...says Greg L on

    No new League …gotta get this one fix. Funny how everyone in the NHL ( owners too) played hockey last year and the year before …how can this be so mixed up if we were just playin hockey last year ? Ok the barganing agreement expired but wasn’t that the same one they agreed on years ago? If everything is so messed up , cancel the season and fix this BEHIND closed doors . I love the Rangers and I miss them!!! Look , the players are losing , Owners are losing and the only reason this thing is still going is because both parties know the league will go on eventually and they want what they want , when the time comes. What if it doesn’t? The NHL will be back , both sides know it . Lets let them bicker cuz im staying outta this . Only the jobs that people are losing is the only real sad thing about this.

  5. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " There goes get Nash!!"...says Greg L on

    I rather talk line changes and stuff , not yappin about some dumbazz strike …YAWN.

    I miss what us as fans had . Someone to cheer for , a team to lean on . Emptiness and tons more time to spare. Im embracing this time. Taking my own break. Relaxin , chillin , may even watch some Jerry Seifeld …guy shoots his show from NY eh ..I didn’t know that ..Never watch the show sorry.

    GO RANGERS!!!!! BYE Dubinsky , this strike can help him ease the shock of being dealt.

  6. Im not sure who David Stern thinks he is, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with Pop resting his older players. He has to manage his team and players in a way that he thinks gives them the best chance to win a championship. Im completely shocked and appalled by Stern.

  7. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " There goes getting Nash!!"...says Greg L on

    $4 million could ease him a bit , yeah but in reality it is killing him not wearing Ranger colors. Any real hockey player could only feel depressed playing for Columbus. That is why Nash will be his best and will win the Hart trophy. IF we ever play again!!!!! All i care is , I wanna see Nash score SCORE SCORE baby!!!! Hell yeah !! Fix that barganing agreement and were going to the BANK!!! Rangers win the cup , bank it. You heard it here first , Rangers win the cup if the season starts and Marty pulls a groin from eatting too many pizzzas while sittin on the couch.

  8. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " There goes getting Nash!!"...says Greg L on

    I’d go to Columbus for 4 mil. But I wouldn’t be happy . Only at home over there with some gal I would have as my girlfriend.

  9. So now they are suggesting a player and owner meeting with no Bettman, Daly or the Fehrs.
    While i can see its worth a try – if its the 4 hardliners then whats the point? If they do it the point must be to get everyones viewpoint out there – i suspect this is a plot by Bettman to try and separate the players from their leadership to get them to cave or at the minimum rebel from the NHLPA line

  10. I dont see how this clown show ends. Declare a drop dead date. Either plauers cave or we lose the season. Bettman and owners arent budging it seems. If we lose this season why not two? And if thats the case and this is going to happen every six years or so wat is the compwpping case that the owners will ever get “it”. Do any of the owners recall the signing orgy minnesota went on right before the lock out? I mean whose fault is it that the players have 57 percent ot the revenue right now with these ridiculpus front loaded contracts. Lest we forget our resident dogooder brad richards (who clearly gets it btw) is making 20 million on an average 6.6 million dollar dalary. They figured out the loophole around their hard carp. They then claim this is unsustainable. New fix necessary. What reason do we have to believe this wont happen again the next time they figure out a way to spoil gyya who can play a game really well on frozen water?!? They know us human atms will be there to fund this stupidity. Me includef.

  11. Can the Bruins owner please STFU?

    This is just another time buying plot by Bettman and crew. There is no way the Players go into a room without their representation. It’s ridiculously unfair to put them in a room with the owners, which includes the dang NHL, who are mostly millionaire business moguls who know how to steamroll people into accepting crappy deals so they can profit.

    Players should just de-certify, bring a class-action, lose and then try to form their own league or just all re-enroll in high school somewhere and play for that team.

  12. I wouldnt be too sure of them getting steamrollered like that this time. I’m sure it is just another attempt to separate them from their leadership (the divide and conquer strategy) and it will be led by the dictator-in-disguise, Jezza Jacobs and will follow the usual script of “he’s not telling you everything”.

    However, the players are much more united, much better informed and you’ve also just had the Forbes report that the Leafs are worth a $1bn, so any attempt to cry poor – based on going forward with a 50/50 split – should be laughed out of there. Almost all the teams have the opportunity to break even or much better based on 50/50 split, plus you’ve got the new arena deal and owner in Phoenix, a new arena for the Isles. Its surely only a matter of a year or two before Florida head north to Hamilton/Toronto/Seattle too which will probably cause a repeat of the “Winnipeg effect”.

  13. Good morning, boneheads!

    I agree with UK. I don’t see any negatives coming out of that meeting at all. Not sure I see too many positives, but I doubt it’ll hurt anyone. This is a different union. If the message from owners will be “we aren’t budging”, I don’t think it’ll divide the union. But again, every owner should be present, or this defeats the purpose.

  14. I’m so disgusted. The rangers (sather and co.) finally build a team through drafting, trading and free agency after the last kockout. The rangers time was now and because of the lockout there won’t be a season and if they come back next year the rangers will have one season to try and win the cup because after next season the rangers will lose important players to free agency because the cap will be allot smaller and the rangers won’t be able to sign them all.

  15. Now that mediation has failed what’s next? Decertification and arbitration come to mind. If the league cancels the rest of the season there is nothing that says we won’t be right here in the same place come next fall, no CBA, no hockey. If any of those arrogant, out of touch, selfish, players, owners, and their front people (Bettman, Daly, and Fehr x 2) want to get NHL hockey back
    into our lives, and their bank accounts, they would succum to arbitration and get the game back on the ice before we enter 2013. If not, you can place the NHL in the archives along with the WHA and UFL.

  16. Good morning all! This thing just makes me sicker and sicker. Hey mediators, how about trying to bring them closer together. I hate everybody!!!!!!!

  17. Think the owners saw the values of their franchises and thought “hey, we should get rid of Gary?”

    No. Though you’d think the owners of the Rangers, Maple Leafs, and Canadiens would have a little more sway than the jerk in Boston.

    On another note, how is Hagelin’s health?

  18. Of course the Boston owner has the most sway. They’re the center of the universe. The real question is, why would anybody not want to kowtow to Boston??

  19. Doodie Machetto on

    Look, they can stay locked out until my fantasy football team is eliminated from the playoffs. Then they better have a deal in place.

  20. Great tweet by Hank…
    HLundqvist30 Without the big market teams NHL is in BIG trouble so explain to me why they are not invited? in these meetings??

  21. it is like the U.N. it seems.

    Small market teams trying to get free money in the name of “equality”.

  22. I cant believe Stern had the audacity to fine the Spurs $250k. That money should be given by the NBA to the Red Cross for Sandy relief, and the Spurs owner should wipe his aasen with that check and make it out to Stern, so he’s got to handle it with his hands. Where is the line drawn? That’s like the Rangers being fined for deciding to sit out Henrik, Staal, Girardi, and Callahan for the final game of 4 road games in 5 days, to get them rest for all the effort they expend on a game-by-game basis.

  23. IBleedRangersBlue on

    I just tuned into the intermission of bc vs bu on nbcsn and hearing Josney and Milburry talking about the lock out just made me so depressed , talking about the possibility of losing the whole season and possibly some of next year, this needs to end. I’m on the players side of this, but they need to realize that there either going to l oose money either by not playing or playing and its time to just get this game back on the ice “57 percent of nothing is nothing ” – smartest thing millburry ever said

  24. It’s silly. He has 3 injury-prone aging veterans. He has to protect them and do his best to keep them healthy and effective for a marathon 10 month season. The Rangers example isn’t an apples to apples comparison, but it’s reasonable. And I wouldnt have an issue with Torts protecting his players at the end of a lengthy West Coast road trip.

  25. BillyBleedsBlue on

    In other news, the boards are lonely at the Izod Center. Didn’t an NHL team used to win cups in this building? The boards are still up but I’m not on the floor for Dave Matthews.

    I’m in section 101, would be behind a goal.

    I can’t stand Dave Matthews, and no hockey.

    Way to go mediators. Fail.

  26. Nope. disagree. it’s a question of the integrity of a professional sport … not enough to limit their minutes or whatever, but he had to send them home? I think he got off light with the $250G fine.

    don’t disagree that the money should go to a good cause, though.

  27. Créées pour bon nombre d’entre elles au lendemain de la guerre six PME sur dix ont vu le jour avant 1955 , les entreprises se trouvent aujourd’hui sous les feux croisés de la grande roue qui tourne et d’une récession économique sans précédent. Selon les estimations le plus souvent avancées, un dépôt de bilan sur dix serait imputable à des problèmes de succession, soit 5 000 entreprises par an. Un chiffre auquel il faut désormais ajouter les dégâts provoqués par la conjoncture. Rien qu’en 1993 il y a eu pas moins de 60 000 dépôts de bilan. Quant à l’âge des capitaines, plus d’un tiers avaient dépassé les 50 ans en 1987, date de la dernière étude menée par le CEPME.

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