Rangers at Senators Game 4 tonight

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Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

NEW YORK RANGERS at OTTAWA SENATORS
2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs – Eastern Conference Quarterfinals, Game 4 (NYR lead 2-1)
Wednesday, Apr. 18, 7:30 p.m.
Scotiabank Place – Ottawa, ON
Rangers (Regular Season): 51-24-7 (109 pts), 1st in East
Senators (Regular Season): 41-31-10 (92 pts), 8th in East
* All information through NHL games on Apr. 16

TONIGHT’S GAME:
The Rangers will face-off against the Ottawa Senators at Scotiabank Place (7:30 p.m.; TV: MSG Plus; Radio: Bloomberg Radio), in Game 4 of their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal matchup. The Blueshirts lead the series, 2-1, following a 1-0 win in Game 3 on Monday at Scotiabank Place. The win was New York’s 200th playoff victory in franchise history. The Rangers enter tomorrow’s contest with a 200-217-8 record all-time in 425 playoff contests (111-84-2 at home; 89-133-6 on the road). New York has posted a 39-29 record all-time in Game 4 of playoff series, including a 5-1 mark since 2007.

New York entered the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs as the top seed in the Eastern Conference having posted a record of 51-24-7 overall (27-12-2 at home; 24-12-5 on the road) for 109 points. The Rangers’ 51 wins ranked second in franchise history, while their 109 points tied for second all-time. The Blueshirts finished second in the NHL overall, tied for first in wins and led the league with 47 wins in regulation and overtime. New York is one of four Eastern Conference teams to have posted 40 or more wins in at least six seasons since 2005-06, and one of four teams in the East to have advanced to the playoffs in six of the last seven years.

ALL-TIME RANGERS PLAYOFF RECORDS:
Overall — 200-217-8
Home — 111-84-2
Away — 89-133-6
Goals for — 1,182
Goals against — 1,177

ALL-TIME PLAYOFF RECORDS — RANGERS vs. SENATORS
The Rangers and current Senators franchise are meeting in the playoffs for the first time. The Blueshirts had previously met the original Ottawa Senators franchise in the 1930 playoffs. New York won that two-game, total goals Quarterfinal matchup, 6-3 (Mar. 20, 1930 at OTT, 1-1; Mar. 22, 1930 vs. OTT, 5-2).

RANGERS vs. SENATORS:
All-Time (Regular Season): 33-35-3-3 overall (14-21-0-2 at home; 19-14-3-1 on the road)
2011-12: New York was 1-2-1 overall (0-1-1 at home; 1-1-0 on the road). Two of the four meetings were decided by one goal. Marian Gaborik led the Rangers with three goals and five points, while Derek Stepan tallied a team-high, three assists to go along with a one goal. Henrik Lundqvist was 1-1-1 with a 2.92 GAA and .905 Sv%, and Martin Biron was 0-1-0 with a 3.08 GAA and .857 Sv%.
Three Rangers have previous playoff experience against the Senators: Brad Richards (5 GP, 3-5-8), Ruslan Fedotenko (12 GP, 1-0-1) and Mike Rupp (8 GP)
The Rangers are 8-5-2 in the last 15 regular season games against the Senators
The Blueshirts have won six of their last seven regular season games in Ottawa, out-scoring the Senators, 20-12, in those contests
Martin Biron’s start on Mar. 8 at Ottawa ended Henrik Lundqvist’s streak of 26 consecutive appearances against the Senators, dating back to Dec. 26, 2005
New York lists no former Senators on their roster
Ottawa lists two former Rangers on their roster: Alex Auld (2009-10); Matt Gilroy (2009-10 – 2010-11)

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. SENATORS (Regular Season):
Henrik Lundqvist — 26 GP, 11-12-2, 2.05 GAA, 1 SO
Martin Biron — 31 GP, 14-10-2-2, 2.80 GAA, 2 SO
Brad Richards — 35 GP, 13-13-26
Marian Gaborik — 16 GP, 8-10-18
Derek Stepan — 8 GP, 3-4-7

MISCELLANEOUS PLAYOFF NOTES:
The last playoff series the Rangers began at home was their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal matchup against Montreal in 1996
The Rangers have won their last five playoff series in which they held home-ice advantage
The Blueshirts have won seven of their last 10 first round playoff series
The Rangers have posted an 18-12 series record against Canadian teams
New York has posted a 30-11 series record when winning Game 1
The Rangers’ 1-0 win in Game 3 was the 200th playoff victory in franchise history
The Blueshirts’ win in Game 3 was the 38th postseason shutout in team history; It was the 11th time New York won a playoff game with a final score of 1-0, but only the second time since the 1940 playoffs
Prior to Game 3 on Monday, the Rangers’ last playoff game in Canada was on Apr. 28, 1996, a 5-3 victory at Montreal in Game 6 of their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal series

SPECIAL TEAMS:
The Blueshirts posted a record of 25-2-4 in games when tallying a power play goal, and 34-13-3 when not allowing a power play goal this season.
Power Play:  The Rangers did not tally a goal in three power play attempts (4:24) in Game 3, and are now 1-11 (9.1%) in three playoff contests. Shorthanded goals allowed (0).
Penalty Killing:  The Blueshirts held the Senators scoreless in three shorthanded situations (4:27) in Game 3, and are now 9-10 (90.0%) in three playoff contests. Shorthanded goals for (0).
Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in two four-on-four situations (3:33) in Game 3. The Rangers are even in two four-on-four situations (3:33). Four-on-four goals for (0). Four-on-four goals allowed (0).

SETTING THE PACE
The Rangers have tallied the first goal in each game this series, having held the lead for 96:45 while being tied for 84:32 through three games. New York has yet to trail in the series during game play.

PLAYOFF FIRSTS
Six Rangers have made their playoff debut in the series. Five of those players debuted in Game 1 – Stu Bickel, Michael Del Zotto, Carl Hagelin, John Mitchell, and Anton Stralman. Hagelin and Stralman each tallied their first career postseason point with one assist apiece in Game 1. With the assist, Hagelin became the first Rangers rookie to record a point while making his playoff debut since Lauri Korpikoski on May 4, 2008, in Game 5 of the 2008 Eastern Conference Semifinals at Pittsburgh (goal). Anisimov (two assists) also registered his first career playoff assist in the contest, while Boyle notched his first career playoff point with the game-winning goal. In Game 2, Del Zotto tallied his first career playoff point with an assist, and Stralman added his first career playoff goal. Chris Kreider, the Rangers’ first round pick in 2009, made his NHL debut in Game 3, becoming the first Rangers player to do so since Korpikoski in 2008. He is also the first NHL player to win the NCAA National Championship and make his NHL debut in that year’s playoffs since Tony Hrkac with St. Louis in 1987.

KING HENRIK’S ASCENSION
Henrik Lundqvist continues to climb the Rangers’ all-time playoff leaders list in several goaltending categories. He posted a 39-save shutout, his fourth career in the playoffs, in a 1-0 win in Game 3. It was his 38th career playoff appearance, tying him with John Vanbiesbrouck for third in franchise history, and the win was his 17th in the postseason, moving him into a tie with Dave Kerr for third all-time. He also passed Andy Aitkenhead into fifth place on the Rangers’ all-time playoff shutouts list.

COOL UNDER PRESSURE
Henrik Lundqvist has posted 30 or more saves in the playoffs 13 times, posting a 6-7 record with a 1.85 GAA, .945 Sv% and two shutouts in those contests.

THREE OF A KIND
Henrik Lundqvist became the third goaltender in NHL history, and second in as many days (Jonathan Quick, LAK), to post 39 or more saves in a 1-0 shutout victory in a non-overtime game. *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau

PLACE IN TEAM HISTORY
The Blueshirts’ 51 wins this season ranked second in franchise history, while their 109 points tied for second all-time. The Rangers also tied the franchise record for most road wins in a season with 24 victories away from MSG. The Rangers reached the 50-win mark for the third time in franchise history with a 4-1 victory vs. Montreal on Mar. 30, and eclipsed the 100-point mark for the seventh time with a 4-3 shootout win at Toronto on Mar. 24. The Blueshirts reached the 40-win mark in 61 games, which tied as the second fewest games to reach 40 wins in team history.

TOP SPOT
New York ascended to the top position in the Eastern Conference following games played on Dec. 26 (game #34), and held that position for two days before reclaiming the top spot for good following games played on Dec. 30 (game #36). The Blueshirts clinched the top seed in the Eastern Conference with a 5-3 win on Apr. 3 at Philadelphia. It is the first time since 1993-94 the Rangers finished atop the Atlantic Division and Eastern Conference standings.

QUICK HITS (Regular Season):
The Rangers posted a combined record of 19-4-5 in back-to-back games, including a 9-2-3 (3-1-0 at home, 6-1-3 on the road) record in the first game and a 10-2-2 (6-0-0 at home, 4-2-2 on the road) mark in the second
New York was 21-3-3 when leading after the first period and 30-0-3 when leading after the second
The Rangers ranked fifth in the league with a .208 win% when trailing after two periods (5-18-1)
New York led the NHL with a .682 win% when out-shooting their opponent (30-13-1)
The Rangers ranked third in the league with a 35-5-3 record (.814 win%) when scoring first

THE HOT LIST:
Brian Boyle — three-game goal streak (three goals over the span)
Dan Girardi — three-game assist streak (three assists over the span); 17 blocked shots in the last three games
Artem Anisimov — three assists in the last three games

INJURIES:
Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) — 3
Steve Eminger (injured, 3/15) — 3
Mats Zuccarello (fractured wrist, 3/23) — 3
Total Man-Games Lost (Regular Season): 237
Total Man-Games Lost (Playoffs): 9

RECENT TRANSACTIONS:
Apr. 10 — Agreed to terms with forward Chris Kreider to an entry level deal

 

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168 Comments

  1. McSnobbelier on

    When will the carnage on ice end? Hossa got head taken off last night. Nice Job Mr. Shanny.

  2. The hit by Torres was BRUTAL!!! Hossa had passed the puck and about a second later Torres lays him out. I am not sure it was an illegal hit. I would love to know what everyone thinks. Torres is coming at Hossa FULL SPEED as he clearly has the puck. He passes the puck and a second or 2 later, he gets hit. It is a close call as I am not sure that torres could have stopped and he was clearly lining him up for the hit when Hossa still had the puck.

  3. Sioux-per-man on

    Good Morning Boneheads. Game Day!!!

    Carp how many games will Torres get for that hit on Hossa?

  4. Blogmama Go Tony!!!! on

    Good morning all! Bummed to hear about Levon…..I saw a Ramble once and it was one of the most awesome nights!

    I forgot to link, but cool story in NYT yesterday about the records being set in penalties for these playoffs.

    I am beyond running late (again)…..LGR! LGBT!!! Later all!

  5. Sioux-per-man on

    Torres hit is a suspension for several reasons it was late, it was charging, and he left his feet to hit him high in the head, he has a past history of this, and Hossa was injured. Now based on Hags hit and His 3 games, this should be 9 games. But it will be 3 to 5 games when you factor in his history of late hits and the injury it caused. But with the clown show of suspensions lately I would guess 5 games.

  6. The Sean Payton on

    Torres didn’t leave his feet, kept his elbow down, did not target the head and did not blindside him.
    Good hard hit, a little late, but not terrible.Hagars hit on Alfie, was a lot worse.

  7. Stranger Nation on

    Sean Payton – not sure if you are attempting to be funny, but your comment is incorrect and, frankly, asinine. The Torres hit was late, he left his feet to throw his shoulder into Hossa’s jaw and Torres has a long history of trying to injure other players.

    He is acknowledged around the league as a first rate jackwaggon. It’s too bad these plays are commonplace and not dealt with more severely by shamahan.

    Not sure if you are a new troll or just an annoying poster who is hiding behind a new screen name. Save the tough guy stuff for you Sunday afternoon roller hockey games.

  8. Can’t wait till tonight , like to be calling the bud dog here wego , only if he brings me the beer of my choice

  9. On the Hossa hit, it also appears he’s turning away from the play ( going for a change?) as Chicago moves the puck over the blue line. Late, appears to target the head and Torres leaves his feet. Time to spin the wheel of injustice with both eyes closed.

  10. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan on

    Happy Game Day Morning ‘Heads!!!!!

    Hossa out of the hospital. $2500 fine for Torres since he was not hurt enough for the minions of Count Bettmancula.

    Cannot wait ’til tonight! LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hopefully comcast has their freakin act together tonight with their DISASTROUS CNBC fiasco here.

  11. Good morning, Carp!

    That Torres hit was awful. Can’t believe there was a ref standing right there and nothing was called.

    Yev, thanks for the Levon update. Sad news. I absolutely love that guy.

  12. Stranger Nation on

    Does anyone with Cablevision have picture quality issues with HD for NBCSports (CH 719) – problems still persist, but less so, for CH 146?? It is the only channel on the entire spectrum where issues exist – been happening for a long time.

  13. Fatty was awful last night. Things are falling nicely into place for us as far as the other teams. I have a very good feeling about tonight. LETS GO RANGERS

  14. I was hoping Marty would comment on the size of a beach ball that he had problems stopping last night instead.

  15. FiveFootZero on

    Best comment re: Marty ever!!! “Rangers are just saying the rulings are inconsistent – kinda like your goaltending.”

  16. Anybody who says that Torres didn’t leave his feet is completely blind. These games getting out of hand is a direct result of Shanahan’s nonsense and the complete incompetence of the officials.

    If they wanted to end illegal hits, it would take all of one action from Shanahan. Give Hagelin his 3 games, Weber gets 10, Torres gets 10, Backstrom gets 5, Neal gets 15 for two incidents, Asham gets 10. If a hit is illegal but not deemed worthy of suspensions, $25K minimum fine.

    THAT will get the attention of players. Some of the ratings are up, but those are the same people that will never become permanent hockey fans. They are there for the “car accident” and nothing more. If you pander to them, then there will be no more star players left to actually score goals after they are all out for concussions. If the NHL wants to be on the same level as the NFL and NBA, this crap has got to stop. If the NHL really wanted to do away with fighting, they would take away a reason for the players to fight. All of their rhetoric is complete garbage.

  17. Does anyone listen to the Marek v. Wyshynski podcast and, if you do listen, do you find Marek to be kind of dominating? Whenever Wysh (Devils Fan) makes a joke Marek has to point out the Reference and then take it one further. I kind of feel bad for this Wysh character. Then I remember he’s a Devils fan.

  18. Big game tonight!! Any chance to go up 3-1 on a team on the road instead of coming back 2-2 is a HUGE game.

    I’m hoping Kreider is a little more comfortable, hope some of our guys step it up a little…and hope Boyle continues his amazing play.

    And, of course, there’s Hank. It all comes down to Hank.

    If we win tonight, we win Saturday. If Hank frustrates them again I think, as a young team, they’ll start to buckle and make mistakes.

    I’m SOOOOO tempted to be channel surfing tonight to see if the Pens get swept out of the playoffs. But that’d be bad luck. Right? RIGHT?

    LET’S GO RANGERS!!!

  19. Doodie Machetto, Get well Tony on

    Manny, there is no way that it would happen. If they win tonight, there is more incentive to play Lundqvist on Saturday because if they can close out the series in 5, they get a longer rest before round 2, resting not only Lundqvist, but the rest of the team.

  20. Yea you’re right, Doodie. I just, have this little gut feeling, that we might see Biron in this series. If we win tonight, I don’t care. Just go up 3-1 and let me breathe for 72 hours please.

  21. On the Torres hit, the ref was close enough to the play that he flinched away from the sprawling Hossa and still didn’t make the call. That is crazy.

    Neal had two hearings for two separate infractions and is a repeat offender and only got one game. If the reasoning is that no one was injured on that plays, that is like rewarding him for failing because injuring players is what he set out to do.
    The league is so completely upside down on these decisions and the refs are incompetent on the ice. Torts was correct when he said that players don’t respect each other. The purpose of a hit is supposed to be to separate a player from the puck in order to gain possession of the puck, but hitting has become something else entirely.

    Someone is going to get paralyzed or killed if this keeps up. The bottom line isn’t how the leage is failing to deal with it, it is figuring out how to combat the lack of respect on the ice.

  22. Having said that, the league is failing to deal with it by being inconsistent in its rulings, basing decisions on arbitrary criteria, and treating star players differently than third/fourth liners.

  23. Maybe they should have a “get-to-know-each-other” off-season camp that is mandatory for all players. They can roast marshmallows, go for canoe rides, do trust falls and just get to actually KNOW the other guys so they stop trying to ruin careers at every turn.

  24. John Scott will skate first line minutes before Marty is started over Hank in this series.

    Love seeing the emergence of Boyle and would imagine we’ll see Prust have a MONSTER game. Maybe a short-handed goal? Prust sayin’

  25. Maybe with all the attention on Boyle we’ll see someone else step up tonight. Maybe Gaborik and Richards do something? Maybe Dubinsky finally figures out the little puck goes in the big net?

    Really kinda curious to see how Kreider does in his second game.

    Boyle – Keep doing what you’re doing.

  26. Guess who the refs were for Coyotes-Blackhawks game last night? Stephen Walkom and Ian Walsh. Guess who were the referees during Rangers-Senators Game 2 mess? Yup, Walkom and Walsh. Prust saying.

  27. torres should be out for the remainder of the playoffs. he left his feet, launched himself into Hossa’s head. He’s a repeat offender. And, following shanahan’s latest comments, there was an injury so the suspension should be more severe. the guy is a goon, throw him out.

  28. Someone has to step up, Hank can only carry us so far into the playoffs. Can’t keep winning 1-0 games.

  29. Good point, Anthony. I won’t forget the image of Walsh just standing there with his hand on his hip while Boyle gets pounded.

  30. Asham gets 4 for coming across the ice to lay a crosscheck to the chin of Schenn.

    Hagelin gets 3 (first time offender Hags) for an errant elbow.

    That is just misguided.

    Punishment based on the injury is stupid. “Well I tried to kill the guy but I missed and the bullet just grazed his leg.”

    Shanahan is not as smart as he thinks he is. That is the problem. Put a meathead in charge of the discipline and that’s what you get.

    Like Doodie said….ban the repeat offenders for more and more each time they have an infraction. Like Torres….this is his 3rd, 4th incident? It should be a minimum of 10+ for any incident for the guy. Matt Cooke…his next incident should be at least 10+. Carcillo…how many times has he been suspended? His next time should be 10+ and $100k fine. I bet you he doesn’t do it again. Enough already.

    It’s like baseball: If you banned guys for 50 games for the first infraction of steroids and for life on the 2nd infraction, I bet you it would stop immediately. But this is the contradiction in sports. Big booming home runs from steroid freaks puts people in the stadium. So do they want to crack down on it? No way.

    But with the hockey, the illegal hitting is taking away from good, clean hockey. It’s a detriment. Shanny needs to get a clue.

  31. Congrats Bettman and Shanahan, you’ve taken the greatest postseason tournament in North American sports and turned its focus to injuries, suspensions and the asinine thought process that goes into your disciplinary decisions.

    God forbid they focus on:

    #1 seed/Presidents Trophy winner on the verge of getting swept
    3 straight OT games to start the PHX-CHI series
    Henrik Lundqvist/Brian Boyle
    Claude Giroux/Dany Briere
    Braden Holtby
    Dustin Brown
    Possibly Brodeur’s last postseason
    Perennial favorites Pittsburgh and Detroit now staring at elimination

  32. I wish I could click on something and “like” that comment CT. Instead I will post a follow up letting you know that I like it.

  33. Coach Quenneville called the officiating a disgrace last night. Let’s see the double standard at work once again. If Tortorella said that, minimum $20,000 donation.

  34. Unfortunately, you can’t legislate respect amongst players. Torres beleives that was a hockey play. Hockey play or not, if he doesn’t understand why that hit is just plain wrong, there’s no fine large enough or suspension long enough for him to “get it”.

    Too much NFL Free Saftey mentality has come into the league. And it won’t stop until someone is paralyzed. It has nothing to do with fighting that results from the speed and emotion of the game. It is simply macho-intent to injure. Believe me, I love a good hard hit as much as anyone. But there’s a line that not only has been crossed, it’s been virtually erased.

    I’m surprised by Shanahan. I thought he would have brought the some common sense to the job. To dole out punishment based on the resulting injury or non-injury (instead of the offending action) is ridiculous. He better find the guts to draw that line again, before he has to face the family of a paralyzed player.

    That said, Shanahan will most likely get this one wrong too. Just like he did on Weber and others.

  35. We all want the Birds to extend the dreaded Flyers tonight. Make it a loonger series. GO BIRDS.

  36. Well said, CT…This playoff season has started off in amazing fashion and if you take out all of the injuries and suspension clusterfarks…it’s the best in years!

    So many great storylines we could talk about…but instead injuries, fights, shoddy officiating and clueless discipline punishments are all anybody is talking about.

    I hope both Vancouver and Pittsburgh are swept out of the playoffs tonight. Then we can rest easy knowing the SI curse affected those two (SI predicted Pittsburgh over Vancouver in the Cup Finals) as opposed to Hank.

    Knock on wood…knock on wood…throwing salt over my shoulder…gonna sacrifice a chicken for luck tonight…

    Just kidding. But wings are on order. :-)

  37. c giacomo: You don’t know if Hossa was injured. He was takes off the ice in a stretcher and taken to a hospital for a short time but was later released. He might have just been knocked out and did not suffer a concussion so in Sham-A-Ham’s book that might not qualify as being an injury. Also, it will depend what his status is for the next game and what the doctor’s tell Sham today. I think Hossa is okay though and will play the next game.

    Torres is a repeat offender … yes, he is a prior offender … yes, he is dirty … yes, he should be made example of … yes but he will only get a couple of games. I don’t expect a HUGE suspension from the baboon running the program.

  38. The first time I watched the torres hit, I watched it in real time and didn’t realize he left his feet. I just watched in Slo-Mo and have changed my opinion on the hit.

    He deserves a major suspension.

  39. I agree, you can’t legislate respect amongst players.
    The league asked for this when it annointed a whining, diving, immature little (female dog) as its savior and poster boy; someone who demands respect but doesn’t earn it. A culture has been created and it’s hurting the game.

  40. Mike S

    Coach Q will not be fined $20,000. He only said the refs were a disgrace. It’s not like he insulted Crybaby and Malkin.

  41. The officiating has been a disgrace throughout. They should have an emergency meeting with the officials and tell them all to get thier heads out of thier arses and start paying attention to whats going on on the ice in front of them. Obviously, I never officiated at the nhl level, but how can 4 guys miss some of the garbage going on? It’s only the first round, they can improve if they want to. Soon the penguins will be out and they can put everyone back on the same playing field and call games coerrectly.

  42. I was awol for a few days and didn’t know Tony was ill.
    Tony, wishing you a speedy and full recovery.

  43. True Blue Mike (Del Zotto's Swagger) on

    If Quenville doesn’t get fined for this comment <> then this league really is “ass backwards.”

  44. What is with the DRAMA in Shanahan’s video? I am listening to the Shaw video – “Shaw sends the Phoenix goalie *crashing* to the ice”

  45. They should hire and actor to do the NHL suspension video’s …. it would be even more dramatic. #WhatAJoke

  46. How can anyone say that the NHL violence is worse than the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s?
    Suggest some people go back and watch some video, what we are seeing is nothing.

    I’m not defending Shammy, but let’s move on…..

  47. Sioux-per-man on

    I’m with Newman and Dan on this. Fines should start at $25k-50k-100k for cross checks to the throat of a player. Not a hockey play, 100% intent to injure, history of a dirty player.

    We all know Carcillo & Cooke are some of the dirtiest players in hockey. Torres has a history of dirty hits. I didn’t know Ashem before his gutless hit on Schenn. These hits should start at 25,000 not 2,500. They should double each time after that, as well as loose the money in their contract for the games missed under suspension.

  48. Just wanted to get some opinion from Blog readers. Based on some tweets from the ‘people in the know’ Carkner is skating with Phillips and looks to be back in the Sens line up today.

    QUESTION: Would you put John Scott back in instead John Mitchell (Yes/No).

  49. Johnny,

    If you define violence as fighting, then I agree. There was much more, even bench clearing brawls. But if you define violence as unnecessary hits, colisions, intent-to-injury attacks, then there’s no comparison at all. And, given the vastly increased speed of the game, the bigger and harder equipment, and the greater size and physicality of the players, it’s a very differerent game today.

  50. I’ll be real curious to see what happens if Pitt wins tonight (which shouldn’t surprise anyone) and Neal is back for Game 5. Tea and biscuits will not be served by Philly.

    The league continues to play with matches here with this upside down way of discipline. We’re on a path towards something beyond repair happening to one of these players.

  51. Vitaly, as bad as Mitchell has been over the last few months, he’s got tons more hockey ability than Scott. So I’m voting “no”.

  52. I don’t think it’s just the violence that people have problems with, it’s how the league has handled it’s supplemental disciplinary process. And obviously that stems from issues that people have had with that process for a while (i.e. regular season and under Colostomy Campbell).

    But to see the league pay lip service to wanting to curb serious injuries, particularly concussions to players and then to allow a guy to forcefully smash another players head into the glass and only levy a $2,500 fine is going to stir a debate. Add in even more bizarre rulings and you really start to wonder up which orifice Shammy’s head resides.

  53. Sioux-per-man on

    NOW on to the good news.

    Question? Do you want a 7 game series with Pitt and Philly? or do you want Philly to sweep Skid and Co.?

    I’m leaning towards a sweep. Have the whiners get their golf clubs out.
    Vancouver get swept by the Kings.
    Ottawa out in the the first Round = No Canada. Zip. Zilch. Notta a presence in the playoffs.

    That would be a thing of beauty!!!

  54. Marz: Yes but I guarantee you that Carkner will force someone to fight him tonight. If that person is Mike Rupp … we are not winning that fight. If that person is John Scott …. we are and we get momentum.

    What’s the big deal about John Mitchell anyway, he plays 5 minutes per game??

  55. Why are we concerned if Quenneville gets fined? Who cares. His star was knocked out. He can say what he wants. Youre making torts losing 50k more important than hossa being knocked unconscious and taken out on a stretcher.

  56. GC…agree with the “intent to injure ” hits, that’s why the instigator should be dropped.

    Disagree with the “unnecessary hits” that’s been going on since March of 1872…, just think there is waaaay to much whinnying.

  57. Vitaly: Did you watch john Scott play? He can BARELY skate. While I would love to have his intimidation factor, I think we have enough tough guys out there who will fight if need be.

    Pruster has the heart of a lion and would fight anyone!

  58. As far as Carkner, hope he is in. Skate around that slug all night long, all 4mins of his toi.

  59. Yev: Pruster will get killed by Carkner. Even he is not stupid enough to fight him.

    If Carkner does something today, the Rangers have no answer. The answer is John Scott.

    Who cares if Scott can’t skate. He can sit on the bench the whole game except when it’s time to fight someone. Give Mitchell’s 5 minutes to Stepan, end of story. I feel Scott needs to be in the lineup today.

  60. Yev…. You better hope Prust doesn’t fight Carkner! P
    Good chance Prust ends up retired and a vegetable.

  61. Kenny Albert Rules! on

    i dont agree with shannahan’s points about how the history of a players health comes into play regarding suspension. When Hagelin went to Hit Alfreddson he didnt think to himself i shouldnt hit him high because he has a concussion history. Backstrom’s crosscheck to Peverly’s face was 10 times worse, but injury didn’t occur. Peverly must be one tough sob.

  62. I agree, Vitaly, that Carkner will definitely be looking for trouble tonight, especially given that the Sens are trailing in the series. And especially given the kind of player he is.

    Personally, I’m not so much concerned with whether Rupp, Prust etc. would win a fight with Carkner. I’m more concerned with Carkner injuring someone on the Rangers. Not sure whether Scott’s presence in the lineup necessarily prevents that. Would Carkner even want to fight him? Because even a lot of the other tough guys throughout the league seem to avoid Scott. Though I do recall Carkner fighting Boogaard, so…..

    Assuming that he doesn’t put a Ranger on the shelf, I hope that Carkner does play instead of Gilroy. There’s always a chance that Gilroy will make a good play, particularly in the offensive zone. Carkner, meanwhile, has no apparent hockey skills. For all the time they’ve spent in the Rangers’ zone over the last 2 games, that team is having trouble scoring (non-fluky) goals. If they want to take an offensive D-man out and replace him with Carkner, that’s OK with me.

  63. The reason you got Scott is for the late season shenanigans by the Flyers or the Bruins. Well now the shenanigans are being orchestrated by the Senators. Give Scott the change to do what he was brought here to do. PUT HIM IN THE LINEUP!!

  64. *YES* drop the effing instigator penalty. Go back to policing yourself and stop trying to seek retribution with hits. It’s way too dangerous.

    Also – do *not* dress John Scott. Don’t get taken off our game. Dictate play, don’t respond to their play.

  65. Marz: I disagree. Carkner fought Boogaard. He will fight Scott. No question.

    Carkner ended Boogaard’s career and in certain ways his life. Scott and Boogaard were friends. Maybe Scott can avenge Boogaard and avenge Boogaard.

    Have Scott out on Carkner’s first shift to send a message. END OF STORY.

  66. Let’s clear something up, besides the Penguins MacIntyre, the Sens Carkner is THE most feared fighter in the league.. Best course of action is to sit Scott and stay away from Carkner. He has ended careers of some top heavy weights.

  67. Lots of discussion about the merits of playing John Scott. He’s too slow, he can’t score, etc., etc.

    All of this overlooks the main point – he doesn’t have to do any of that! All he has to do is be there, sitting on the end of the bench closest to the Senators and glaring at them. This is called deterrence. Very few will risk taking liberties when retribution is staring them in the face.

  68. Who’s ready for a complete disaster tonight?

    This team is primed for a huge loss and I think tonight is the night. It’s going to be so bad, Biron will have to relieve the Queen.

    And with the loss will come the spiral out of the playoffs.

  69. Thanks, Johnnyboy. Max Vibin’

    Vitaly – Easy man. Don’t put Boogard’s death on Carkner. I don’t like the guy (Carkner) but that’s a bit harsh.

  70. The chances that Scott will dress after the warmup is ZERO. He has no skills at all. Let Carkner run around and take a stupid penalty. We play the RIGHT WAY!

  71. I’d love them to dress Carkner tonight. There is a reason he played in less than 30 games this season. They, essentially, will be playing with 5 D-men again, and if he is on the ice, he is a liability. No need to fight him. After what happened last time, he will be on a very short leash by the officials, and would also cost them a good amount of penalties. No Scott, this is the playoffs.

  72. Dubeliveau April 18th, 2012 at 8:17 am
    Fatty was awful last night. Things are falling nicely into place for us as far as the other teams. I have a very good feeling about tonight. LETS GO RANGERS

    We still have A LOT of business to take care of vis-a-vis the Senators, but I think you should rethink that statement if you are looking down the line.

    If the Panthers beat the Devs, and the Flyers beat the Pens, we would get the Flyers in round 2 and boston would get the Panthers.

    While I am very concerned about playing the Devils, I feel we can hang with them and would MUCH RATHER see Boston and Philly POUND/KILL each other in the second round.

  73. Manny: I’m not putting Boogaard on Carkner. What I’m saying is that Boogaard had personal issues and the injury in his fight against Carkner is that straw that broke his back as far as his playing career is concerned. Had he not fought Carkner and fought somebody else and suffered the same injury, that person is the one who would have ‘ended’ Boogaard’s career.

    If Scott is not sitting on the bench tonight, there is going to be trouble.

  74. N.CountryNYRFan on

    I just read the suspensions for Neal and Asham, what a joke. So Neal gets 1 game for head hunting twice and Hags unintentionally elbows Alf and gets 3 games, and Asham gets only 1 more game then Hags for blatantly crosschecking an opponent in the head in retaliation. What a joke Shanny has become and a huge distraction for the NHL playoffs.

  75. Vitaly, I know what you’re saying. Believe me, in a perfect world Carkner and Scott would fight a couple of times, and they’d deter each other from doing something stupid the rest of the game.

    But you need to remember that (a) Tortorella likes Mitchell, (b) Tortorella usually doesn’t change the lineup after a win unless he absolutely has to, and (c) Tortorella did not see fit to dress Scott for the Flyers and Penguins games during the last week of the season, even though the Penguins game meant absolutely nothing to the Rangers. So Scott for Mitchell, or anyone else, probably isn’t happening.

    Moreover, it just doesn’t seem like tough guys really are deterrents against any of the nonsense out there. Chicago is certainly not a soft team, yet nothing really happened to Torres even after he laid out Hossa (and you could make the case that by then it’s too late anyway). And that’s just the latest example.

    If he wanted to, it would be easy for Paul MacLean to get Carkner out there while Scott is on the bench. If Carkner injured one of the Ranger forwards, who cares if Scott gives him a beatdown later on in the game, or if Scott knocks Spezza into next week in response? If you make the assumption that the Rangers will win this series, any injury to a Ranger is going to have a much greater impact.

  76. Stranger Nation on

    Let’s just remember Carkner came close to ending Boyle’s series with some of those blows in the last game he played. Dress Scott over Rupp, you do not lose much – not over the Former AG or the Second Coming.

    If Cark pounds Rupp to a pulp and then later takes out McD or Richards with a major injury, you all will be crying a river tomorrow. “That’s unfair”, “They didn’t play the right way”, “They are a disgrace” blah, blah, blah – all you need to do is review the first 25 games of Round 1 to guess what will happen tonight. Hope to be very wrong on this front.

    Get the big man in the line-up because tonight the Sens, in probably their last home game, will not go gentle into that good night without a fight.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byJCcMJZElg&feature=related

  77. That’s the one, ilb. They dress Carkner over someone who had a decent game in his absence. Joke is certainly on them.

  78. Fat Guy in A Little Coat on

    What we got to say
    Power to the people no delay
    To make everybody see
    In order to fight the powers that be

  79. Wicky© I say Frontier Justice is the ONLY way to go!!! LGT!!! on

    Morning ILB, Tony, and all!!

    manny
    bro, feel free to utilize tha method any time you like!

    CT
    re 10:06 post…quit using logic…sheesh, what is wrong with you? ;)

    This game is violent. It is a contact sport. Some hits are considered illegal. Do not get caught up with the mainstream media and its lack of understanding of hockey and the concepts and rules (including the unwritten ones) within the game.

    I think this has been one of the most exciting post seasons that I can remember and it is still only the first round!! Love the animosity and dislike in the pens/flyers series. Sharks blues seems to have some dislike in it as well. Obviously, I love the Rangers series (I’ll get to that dislike in a bit).

    There is (IMHO) a difference between an illegal hit and a dirty hit. As a player, I think you have to know and be aware of who is on the ice from the other team. How many guys when a team is playing Detroit pay extra attention when skating into the Detroit zone because of Kronwall?? My guess is a lot. They should, kronwall is NOT a dirty player, but according to the rules he throws some illegal hits.

    Brings me to the point, Torres hit while illegal, did not seem overly dirty to me because it was within the pace and “action” of the game. Don’t get me wrong, ILLEGAL AS HELL and worthy of a suspension, but not dirty. The three dirtiest things I have seen this playoff season (to date) are..
    1)Weber-hands down dirty and nothing to do with hockey and all WWE.

    2)James Neal- Head hunts 2 (not just 1 but 2) opposing players on the same shift, both with specific and deliberate head shots.

    3)Carkner-I was ok with carkner doing what he did at first(unwritten hockey rule after what boyle did game 1), where he goes from illegal to down right dirty to me is when he went all Tie Domi and dropped a glove. I’m fine if he gives boyle (well, not fine, but I understand)gloved punches to the head and takes him to the ice, but to then drop a glove with a blatant sucker move and not only throw a couple bare knuckle punches initially, but when boyle goes down he throws like how many more?? DIRTY!! (a sham is #4 in my book)

    Just my opinion though

  80. Why not fine the players percentage wise? Then its equal based on salaries of different players.

    How about 5% of salary fine as the minimum for an offense, then have different levels and work your way up.

  81. Ottawa loses tonight they are down 3 – 1. I’m pretty sure their focus is entirely on winning a hockey game not Carkner and any of his nonsense. Carkner’s BS happened at the beginning of game 2 which we had a hold until giving it away late in the game. The fact that Ottawa won the game that Carkner pulled that crap is merely a coincidence. To steal a line from Rupp, “Carkner is irrelevant” unless we change our game and make him relevant. Dressing John Scott does not help the team in away way.

  82. Stranger Nation on

    Wicky – agree the Torres hit, while late and leaving feet, was illegal – it was much different than Neal skating around looking for someone to cheap shot.

    Or even Crosby challenging hartnell. How they heck does hartnell not give skid a complete beat down – the door was open and he decided now to play the peacemaker for once – what a wuss.

  83. Sens dressing Hoffman tonight, just saw him play in his last game in Binghamton. Speedy, playmaker…. More to worry about than Carkner.

  84. Wicky© I say Frontier Justice is the ONLY way to go!!! LGT!!! on

    I don’t think they will (and believe me I UNDERSTAND why they wouldn’t) put john scott in the lineup tonight instead of mitchell, but I sure as hell would. If for no other reason than the same reason the sens put carkner in the lineup for game 2.

    Another reason might just be if I had had to lose a Ranger for a game or two because of the league watching more “stuff” in games, I would rather lose scott (no offence john) than prust, rupp, or bickel!

    Isn’t carkner the guy that had that running feud with orr (not ours) a couple seasons ago where they took turns knocking each other on their aasens during games?

  85. Stranger Nation on

    1940 – the only problem with your logic is

    #1 – they won they game when Carkner played and did what he did; not because of it, but they won never-the-less

    #2 – Rupp has become irrelevant in these playoffs – very dissappointed in his ability to skate and fore-check that and he cannot beat anyone in a throw down.

  86. Stranger Nation on

    Seems like McLean is playing musical chairs with this line-up (recent call up) which does not bode well for the team’s confidence going into this game.

  87. Izzy Mandlebaum on

    By logical argument, John Scott probably should not be starting tonight. I do agree with that. But if he is sitting on the Rangers bench at the start of the game, I will smile to myself…

  88. I am not focusing on Carkner tonight. I am focusing on getting pucks past Mr. Anderson. Lots of them.

  89. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    My bruthas, brad Boyle will score the GWG and we will be up 3-1.

    Hank pitches another shutout.

    The KREIDER gets more comfortable.

    There is much joy in Ranger land.

    Solidarity!!!

  90. Manny, nobody is saying to take the eye off the prize just have a ‘deterrent’ sitting on the bench.

  91. Right, not because of it, glad we agree. Also, I said nothing about how Rupp has played, I simply called Carkner irrelevant, because he is. I don;t know why people are insisting on making him relevant. Not in any way did I even mention Mike Rupp’s play. Ottawa needs to win this game you really think they want Carkner out there taking more 5 minute majors? Or even nonsense 2 minute roughing penalties? I just don’t see it.

  92. Stranger Nation on

    Eddie – is that what we need? What we need? What we neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed?

  93. YEV…I believe respectfully that you are incorrect. After this round they RE-SEED. So we’d play Florida next. Thus my earlier posting. The Flyers would get Boston assuming they win.

  94. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    Mike Rupp has morphed into Adolf Rupp and thinks the game he is playing is non contact.

    Any updates on Crosby?

  95. Stranger Nation on

    1940 – what do you think of Rupp’s peformance so far this series? Prust asking….

  96. Manny, *no Scott*

    Sioux, I had the same question about the Pens-Flyers game. I would love to see a sweep, I would also love the Flyers to come out limping. I want both things.

    Really looking forward to the game tonight! *LGR! LGBT!*

  97. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    S. Nation – I am not your enemy…

    What we need, what we need, …is

    Solidarity, solidarity

  98. Stranger Nation on

    Rangers 1 seed
    Bruins 2 seed
    Panthers 3 seed
    flyers 5 seed

    Rangers will play flyers if those teams all advance

  99. Dubeliveau:

    We do re-seed. But if the panthers beat the devs and the Flyers beat the Pens and Boston Beats the Caps. That leaves

    Rangers 1
    Boston 2
    Panthers 3
    Flyers 5

    Therefore, Rangers play flyers and Boston plays panthers. REMEMBER Panthers won their division, so even though they had worse record than devs, they were a higher seed and that is why the first two games were in FLA.

    So, I respectfully submit that you are incorrect.

  100. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    We walk on common ground

    We want to watch the game on Saturday

    We want to keep our children warm

    What we need, what we need… Is…

    Solidarity

  101. Anyone who thinks John Scott plays tonight should just stop thinking they know anything about hockey. Period. I am not even going to get into stooping to the 3rd grade intelligence level that is suggesting he even sees the ice, other than warm ups.

    The Rangers play their own game. I don’t think they really react to others’ attempts or efforts, esp in the playoffs. Fine, that Devils game a few weeks ago was an exception. But there was very little at stake then.

    We need to come out and play our game tonight, hit everything that moves. Make that kid Karlsson feel the pressure, hear the skates coming for him full bore every time he touches the puck, etc. Guys like Foligno need to be plastered anytime they are near the puck or near Hank or both.

    If we play our game, we’ll be fine.

    LGR.

  102. Izzy Mandlebaum on

    Rangers should not focus on Carkner, they should focus on winning the game. But there should be a contingency plan to address Carkner should he continue to attack players. That contingency plan is John Scott. It’s not Prust or Boyle or the injured(?) Rupp. If Scott is sitting in the stands, and Carkner starts running Richards or Gabby or Callahan. What are you prepared to do? You wanna know how to get Carkner? He runs a player, you run the goalie. He sends one of yours to the locker room, you send one of his to the hospital. *That’s* the *Chicago* way!

    (Sorry. Once I got started, well…)

  103. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    S. Nation, my Brutha, sly and Robby and Michael Rose….

    What we need, what we need….

    Is solidarity … Solidarity …

    Ohhhhhhh ohhhhhbhh solidarity

  104. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    Yev – my Brutha – you be one fine jam man

    S. Nation – everyone want to work fir a living..

    What we need,,, ohhh ohhhhh, what we need

    Is soludarity

  105. Stranger Nation on

    1940 – so for those 5 mins – would be rather have a heavyweight to stand up to Carkner or a locker-room presence who must do his best work behind closed doors. My point is we do NOT lose much with Scott v. Rupp they way the ‘locker-room presence’ has been playing.

    Not a Scott fan, but the those who think we lose so much be replacing Rupp with Scott are second graders with no hockey knowledge and have cooties.

  106. Some news- Tony is stable. He, finally, will be able to watch the game tonight. He has a good internet connection in his hospital room. We need to find him a reliable link. Does anyone know if NHL GameCenterice carries this game tonight? That would be the best way to do it.

  107. Rupp > Scott.

    You guys know that Rupp has won a cup, right? He also has a cup clinching goal on his resume. That means he has *been there before* which is something very few guys in that locker room can say. Remember on 24/7 when Rupp was asked to speak about his experiences in the Winter Classic? Remember how he went out and netted two goals to help us win that spectacle?

  108. ilb:

    you should contact the hospital to make sure they don’t offer a cable package that includes MSG.

  109. Nice insult…..I see your point but I disagree. Scott is absolutely awful. I believe the guy has 1 career NHL goal and can’t skate form here to there without tripping over his own feet, even at the 1 mph pace he moves at. Rupp isn’t an offensive dynamo but he does bring more to the table. Not to mention starting Scott just creates a circus that doesn’t need to be there. The fact the we are talking about either of these guys is silly.

  110. LEV…My apologies. I thought that after round 1 they re-seeded based on points…not the strupid winner of a weak division. Does not seem fair to me at all. They should change this going forward.

  111. Lon Chaney SR on

    Nice work by so many: Dan Shea, Winston, CTB, GCB, CJP, Carp’s cousin, and about a dozen others, with a reservation or two on this listener’s part – GCB: I hear, in the midst of a very nice post a faint assent for that shallow and contrived and hockey-holy nonsense that this game is SO fast and generates such teeming OTHER-WORLDLY emotions that even Gandhi and Mother Theresa and Saint Thomas More would be out there punchin’ and slew-footin’ and sneakin’ after the fragile gray matter of VERY BAD MEN ON THE OTHER SIDE with clubs in their hands to be used relentlessly, and to the great satisfaction of those not-quite-evolved among their fan base. If Mahatma and Tess and Tom are gonna fall, how can we expect anything else from the never-quite- finished boys who make up most of the rosters; and Winston: intriguing take on the culture that flows from the troubling choice of Sidney as Poster Child – I wanna think about that some, and just offer that the choice hurt the unequipped, unsophisticated kid as much as anyone (see
    lost performance in Philly, that LaViolette, the execrable Barry Melrose – apparently “hate” and everything that flows from it is now almost as celebratory a phenomenon as greed – and all the benighted hockey-as-car-wreck fans think was a great addition to the game’s great operas).

    For the fans of self-policing: wake me when, in a situation like last night in Chicago, and after a calm, slow-motion video of Torres’ misdeed, the Hawks lean on their sticks while Torres’ teammates
    pummel him to a pulp (no head shots, please:-). That is SELF-policing. Wake me when the Sens attack Carkner for his classic cowardice and sucker-punching, and when the Rangers go after Brian
    Boyle for his cheap (yeah, not nearly as bad as Carkner, but definitely cheap) tricks with the talented but diminutive Kid Karlsson, and THEN turn on Torts even as the Sens turn on MacLean, and beat the stuffing out of these manipulating INSTIGATORS, these essential and ever-present THIRD MEN IN.

    Carkner is a HERO for most Sens fans, as he would be a hero for too many Ranger fans if he were committing egregious felonies wearing their uniform. When most Sens fans recognize what a pathetic, spineless mope he is, allowing others to send him to commit crimes, until most Ranger and Sen fans demand together that punk street-assault not be allowed, and even praised on their frozen stages, wake me.

    PS: It has seemed to me and others, going back months, that Shanahan has allowed himself to be
    strung, puppeted, just like Carkner and Scott and Boogard have allowed it, in their way, by others more cunning and remorseless.
    greedy (more blood – higher ratings).

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