Rangers at Senators Game 3 tonight


Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs – Eastern Conference Quarterfinals, Game 3 (Series tied 1-1)
Monday, Apr. 16, 7:30 p.m.
Scotiabank Place – Ottawa, ON
Rangers (Regular Season): 51-24-7 (109 pts), 1st in Eastern Conference
Senators (Regular Season): 41-31-10 (92 pts), 8th in Eastern Conference

* All information through NHL games on Apr. 14

The Rangers will face-off against the Ottawa Senators tonight at Scotiabank Place (7:30 p.m.; TV: MSG Network; Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio), in Game 3 of their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal matchup. The series is tied at one game apiece following the Blueshirts’ 3-2 overtime defeat to the Senators in Game 2 on Saturday at Madison Square Garden. New York is now 31-39 all-time in playoff games decided in overtime. The Rangers enter tonight’s contest with a 199-217-8 record all-time in 424 playoff contests (111-84-2 at home; 88-133-6 on the road). New York has posted a 33-42 record all-time in Game 3 of playoff series.

New York entered the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs as the top seed in the Eastern Conference having posted a record of 51-24-7 overall (27-12-2 at home; 24-12-5 on the road) for 109 points. The Rangers’ 51 wins ranked second in franchise history, while their 109 points tied for second all-time. The Blueshirts finished second in the NHL overall, tied for first in wins and led the league with 47 wins in regulation and overtime. New York is one of four Eastern Conference teams to have posted 40 or more wins in at least six seasons since 2005-06, and one of four teams in the East to have advanced to the playoffs in six of the last seven years.

*       Overall — 199-217-8
*       Home — 111-84-2
*       Away — 88-133-6
*       Goals for — 1,181
*       Goals against — 1,177

The Rangers and current Senators franchise are meeting in the playoffs for the first time. The Blueshirts had previously met the original Ottawa Senators franchise in the 1930 playoffs. New York won that two-game, total goals Quarterfinal matchup, 6-3 (Mar. 20, 1930 at OTT, 1-1; Mar. 22, 1930 vs. OTT, 5-2).

*       All-Time (Regular Season): 33-35-3-3 overall (14-21-0-2 at home; 19-14-3-1 on the road)
*       2011-12: New York was 1-2-1 overall (0-1-1 at home; 1-1-0 on the road). Two of the four meetings were decided by one goal, including one that required the shootout. Marian Gaborik led the Rangers in scoring with three goals and five points in four games, while Derek Stepan tallied a team-high, three assists to go along with a one goal. Henrik Lundqvist was 1-1-1 with a 2.92 GAA and .905 Sv%, and Martin Biron was 0-1-0 with a 3.08 GAA and .857 Sv%.
*       Three Rangers have previous playoff experience against the Senators: Brad Richards (5 GP, 3-5-8), Ruslan Fedotenko (12 GP, 1-0-1) and Mike Rupp (8 GP)
*       The Rangers are 8-5-2 in the last 15 regular season games against the Senators
*       The Blueshirts have won six of their last seven regular season games in Ottawa, out-scoring the Senators, 20-12, in those contests
*       Martin Biron’s start on Mar. 8 at Ottawa ended Henrik Lundqvist’s streak of 26 consecutive appearances against the Senators, dating back to Dec. 26, 2005
*       New York lists no former Senators on their roster
*       Ottawa lists two former Rangers on their roster: Alex Auld (2009-10); Matt Gilroy (2009-10 – 2010-11)

*       Henrik Lundqvist — 26 GP, 11-12-2, 2.05 GAA, 1 SO
*       Martin Biron — 31 GP, 14-10-2-2, 2.80 GAA, 2 SO
*       Brad Richards — 35 GP, 13-13-26
*       Marian Gaborik — 16 GP, 8-10-18
*       Derek Stepan — 8 GP, 3-4-7

*       The last playoff series the Rangers began at home was their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal matchup against Montreal in 1996
*       The Rangers have won their last five playoff series in which they held home-ice advantage
*       The Blueshirts have won seven of their last 10 first round playoff series
*       The Rangers have posted a 30-11 series record all-time when winning Game 1
*       New York’s last playoff game in Canada was on Apr. 28, 1996, a 5-3 victory at Montreal in Game 6 of their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal series
*       The Rangers have posted an 18-12 series record all-time against Canadian teams

The Blueshirts posted a record of 25-2-4 in games when tallying a power play goal, and 34-13-3 when not allowing a power play goal this season.
*       Power Play:  New York tallied one goal in four power play attempts (10:39) in Game 2 on Saturday, and are now 1-8 (12.5%) in two playoff contests. The Rangers’ power play tallied eight goals in the last six games of the regular season (8-27, 29.6% over the span), and 13-56 (23.2%) in the last 15 games. New York ranked 23rd overall (44-280, 15.7%) and 22nd at home (23-146, 15.8%). The Rangers were 4-18 (13:15) in five-on-three situations (last – 4/5 at PIT), and 2-9 (12:08) when four-on-three (last – 3/11 vs. NYI). Shorthanded goals allowed (4): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore); 12/17 at PHX (Korpikoski); 4/5 at PIT (Letang).
*       Penalty Killing:  New York surrendered one goal to the Senators in four shorthanded situations (9:00) in Game 2 on Saturday, and are now 6-7 (85.7%) in two playoff contests. The Rangers’ penalty kill was 52-60 (86.7%) in the final 20 games, and tied for seventh in the NHL with eight shorthanded goals. New York ranked fifth overall (224-260, 86.2%) and ninth at home (100-118, 84.8%). The Rangers were 9-10 (6:17) in three-on-five situations (last – 3/28 at WPG), and 2-3 (2:24) when three-on-four (last – 2/16 vs. CHI). Shorthanded goals for (8): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan); 12/20 at NJD (Hagelin); 1/6 at PIT (Dubinsky); 2/12 vs. WSH (Prust); 3/28 at WPG (Del Zotto).
*       Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation in Game 2 on Saturday. The Rangers were plus-seven in 84 four-on-four situations (151:10) during the regular season, and even in two three-on-three situations (0:38). Four-on-four goals for (10): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi); 1/2 vs. FLA (Gaborik); 2/9 vs. TBL (Stepan); 2/9 vs. TBL (Richards); 2/14 at BOS (Anisimov); 2/19 vs. CBJ (Stepan); 2/25 vs. BUF (Callahan); 3/21 vs. DET (Callahan). Four-on-four goals allowed (3): 2/9 vs. TBL (Lecavalier); 2/25 vs. BUF (Stafford); 3/2 at TBL (Malone).

Five Rangers made their playoff debut in Game 1 on Thursday – Stu Bickel, Michael Del Zotto, Carl Hagelin, John Mitchell, and Anton Stralman. Hagelin and Stralman each tallied their first career postseason point with one assist apiece. With the assist, Hagelin became the first Rangers rookie to record a point while making his playoff debut since Lauri Korpikoski on May 4, 2008, in Game 5 of the 2008 Eastern Conference Semifinals at Pittsburgh (goal). Anisimov (two assists) also registered his first career playoff assist in the contest, while Boyle notched his first career playoff point with the game-winning goal. On Saturday in Game 2, Del Zotto tallied his first career playoff point with an assist, and Stralman added his first career playoff goal.

With his win in Game 1, Henrik Lundqvist moved into a tie with John Davidson for fourth on the Rangers’ all-time playoff wins list with 16 postseason victories. Lundqvist made 30 saves in the contest, and improved to 5-7 with a 1.98 GAA, .940 Sv% and one shutout when posting 30+ saves in the playoffs.

The Blueshirts’ 51 wins this season ranked second in franchise history, while their 109 points tied for second all-time. The Rangers also tied the franchise record for most road wins in a season with 24 victories away from MSG. The Rangers reached the 50-win mark for the third time in franchise history with a 4-1 victory vs. Montreal on Mar. 30, and eclipsed the 100-point mark for the seventh time with a 4-3 shootout win at Toronto on Mar. 24. The Blueshirts reached the 40-win mark in 61 games, which tied as the second fewest games to reach 40 wins in team history.

New York ascended to the top position in the Eastern Conference following games played on Dec. 26 (game #34), and held that position for two days before reclaiming the top spot for good following games played on Dec. 30 (game #36). The Blueshirts clinched the top seed in the Eastern Conference with a 5-3 win on Apr. 3 at Philadelphia. It is the first time since 1993-94 the Rangers finished atop the Atlantic Division and Eastern Conference standings.

Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik ranked third and fourth in the NHL, respectively, in scoring from Mar. 1 through the end of the regular season. Richards registered 24 points (seven goals, 17 assists) in 21 games, while Marian Gaborik recorded 23 points (12 goals, 11 assists) over the span.

The Rangers ranked among the NHL leaders in several statistical categories this season…
*       T-2nd in points (109)
*       T-2nd in win% (.665)
*       T-1st in wins (51)
*       1st in regulation/overtime wins (47)
*       3rd in fewest regulation losses (24)
*       3rd in fewest goals against (182)
*       3rd in GAA (2.22)
*       1st in hits (2,419)
*       4th in blocked shots (1,338)
*       4th in +/- rating (plus-34)
*       6th in goal differential (plus-39)

*       The Rangers became the first Eastern Conference team, and second in the league overall, to clinch a playoff spot with a 4-2 win on Mar. 19 vs. NJD (game #72); The last time the Blueshirts clinched a playoff berth that early was in 1991-92, when New York clinched on Mar. 8 (through game #68) following a Philadelphia defeat to Vancouver
*       The Rangers posted a combined record of 19-4-5 in back-to-back games this season, including a 9-2-3 (3-1-0 at home, 6-1-3 on the road) record in the first game and a 10-2-2 (6-0-0 at home, 4-2-2 on the road) mark in the second
*       New York was 21-3-3 when leading after the first period and 30-0-3 when leading after the second this season
*       The Rangers ranked fifth in the league with a .208 win% when trailing after two periods (5-18-1), and tied for 11th in the NHL with five third period comeback wins
*       New York led the NHL with a .682 win% when out-shooting their opponent (30-13-1)
*       The Rangers ranked third in the league when scoring first, posting a 35-5-3 mark (.814 win%) in those contests
*       Henrik Lundqvist’s 39 wins marked a career-high, and rank second on the Rangers’ single season wins list
*       Ryan Callahan and Brad Richards tied the franchise record for most game-winning goals in a season with nine apiece (Don Maloney – 1980-81; Mark Messier – 1996-97; Jaromir Jagr – 2005-06)

*       Artem Anisimov — three assists in the last two games
*       Brian Boyle — two goals in the last two games
*       Anton Stralman — two points (one goal, one assist) in the last two games
*       Dan Girardi — two assists and 12 blocked shots in the last two games

*       Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) — 2
*       Steve Eminger (injured, 3/15) — 2
*       Mats Zuccarello (fractured wrist, 3/23) — 2
Total Man-Games Lost (Regular Season): 237
Total Man-Games Lost (Playoffs): 6

*       Apr. 10 – Agreed to terms with forward Chris Kreider to an entry level deal

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  1. The answer to that 1 guestion on everyones mind says so much about where this series goes. I am SO excited to find out how the Rangers will handle yet another adverse situation. I cant wait for this game.

  2. Still disgusted by the Hagelin suspension. I hope that the Rangers use this to motivate them; as well as the goon like tactics of Ottawa and that they make them pay in the most important way!

    Win the damn game and win this series!!


    Is it 7:30pm yet?

  3. Well said Yev….” Win the dam game”
    Don’t let the distractions get to you and simply play the way they have all year – screw the rest.

  4. 7:30 comes fast. Last night’s LA Kings victory moves them one game away from sweep, one game away from winning series vs. Vancouver. If Vancouver loses out, it it true the NYRangers have home ice advantage forever in the 2012 playoffs?????

    Ya baby!

  5. I really hope Torts uses Kreider on the PP instead of Mitchell/Fedotenko. Let’s see what the kid can do out there.

    I fully expect a win tonight…

  6. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    Happy Game Day Morning ‘Heads! Hope everyone was able to get a decent night of sleep because this is going to be one of those days/nights!

    The bile is still festering in me, and since I have no gallbladder, it’s not fun! Anyway…

    Our boys will take care of business tonight. ya know why.. BECAUSE IT’S THE CUP!

    LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. I’m counting on the Rangers to handle this situation as they have everything else this season, by doing it “the right way”. Winning tonight and the series with sticks and elbows down and their heads up. Our identity of playing hard and clean is something to be proud of. It’s only fitting that our original six team be one of the contenders this year to defend and carry on the eroding honor and traditions of this great sport.


  8. Ok heres some commentary on what ive seen in Ranger land and my take. Stop with John Scott. I’d rather have Marvin Scott out there. The key is not to get distracted here with the on ice garbage but stick to the task which is playing disciplined hockey and yes turning the other cheek at every turn.

    Stop backing in and letting Ottawa gain the zone. I hear a sound of beeping akin to a truck backing up every time Ottawa gains the zone. I realize we have 3 guys back but Ottawa spends way to much time in our zone.

    It’s only one loss and can easily be erased by playing a focused game. The Rangers are the better team but they have to stay away from the nonsense

    Viewing Party In NYC Game Four !!

    Wednesday April 18th Blueshirt Underground Radio will be holding a viewing party at The Irish Times bar in NYC which is located at 284 West 31st street, directly across from MSG. Eddie will be on hand possibly Jim as well for our first playoff gathering ever. Come and cheer on the Rangers for a Game Four Victory!

  9. McSnobbelier on

    Is there any other hockey I can watch this month…not sure I can handle the NHL anymore. Dubinsky should have just skated up to the Ref and started punching him. Wonder how the NHL thinks suspending Hagelin and ignoring all else will help Cindy win the cup. Asham get’s $2,500 – Shenn gets 3 games!

  10. Blogmama Go Tony!!!! on

    Good morning all! ARGH!!!

    ‘thoroughly perplexed” = what the %*$&$&%*&%*$$^$ you hartnelling jackwagons!!!!

    Weber must be laughing his aasen off…….


  11. Devils go 6 and they should be ASHAM’ed of themselves. Poor excuse of a division 3 team they are playing.

    Do you know they are still not sold out for home game 1 v. Panthers? HA!

  12. perhaps they could use Chico for publicity. oops, even though he’s supposed to be an unbiased commentator, HE is the Devils publicity machine.

  13. Can we all LAUGH at the so called “EXPERTS” who picked a Pitt V. Vancouver finals.

    Not looking too likely now is it?

    It is simply amazing to me how poorly we matched up with Pitt and how the cryers are DOMINATING them.

    On a different note, I know we all have to accept the Hags suspension because it is Fait Acompli; but I can not shake the INJUSTICE of it. I just keep going back to the Weber incident with Zetterberg. For crying out loud… he took his gloved hand and (with malicious intent) slammed Zetterberg’s head into the glass.. NO SUSPENSION..

    When you listen to Shanny’s explanation of the suspension it is CLEAR that the injury to alfredson played a huge part in the severity of the punishment. So, when Alfredson PLAYS TONIGHT, will Shanny commute the HAGS suspension?

    I see no way that Ottawa would have let Alfredson fly back to Ottawa if he was truly suffering from post concussion syndrome.

    I think this whole injury situation is HORSECARCILLO!

    The NHL clearly feels that if there is no harm, there is no foul. This is a recipe for DISASTER!

  14. It will be interesting to see how Filthy responds in the upcoming round after the debacle of their current series. Could they believe they’re wearing the crown before it’s been placed on their heads?

    Also interesting to note if any of the officiating crew from the Pitt/Philly series moves on to round two games. I believe that should be a resounding NO!

  15. McSnobbelier on

    Shanahan is stumbling…he has no excuses.
    Hagelin gives Alfredsson a concussion but didn’t he already have one? So wait now hockey players have to consider if someone had a concussion recently as they go to hit someone?

  16. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    This is a recap of Shannahan’s video explanantions:
    Here are two hockey pucks. Here are two more hockey pucks. When we add them together, we get 7 hockey pucks.
    Oh, let me try that again. Oh, I see, we get three hockey pucks.

  17. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    so Boyle gets jumped, the official standing right there with his hands on his hips watching as he is continually hit after he’s already down, and because he did not get hurt, the premeditation of Carkner is noexistent therefore one game. But Hagelin “LOOKED RIGHT AT” ALfredsson, who has a crystal skull, therefore he gets 3 games because of the concussion history? WOW

    INDIANA HAGELIN and the King of the Crystal Skull

    wow, Carton actually made sense

  18. Play the Right Way on

    Best Case Secenario:

    Tortorella uses Krieder on PP, and a “few” fourth line shifts. Krieder makes great use of his time given on ice, and becomes replacement for John Mitchell once Hagelin returns. Rangers win series in 5 or 6 games…

    Pens turn their game around and win a couple against Filthy. Do you guys REALLY want to see the Flyers win in 4 games and then lick their wounds/rest up for the playoffs, while the other 3 eastern quarterfinal series go 6 or 7 nasty (esp. NYR/OTT) games??

    Lets hope Malkin gets interested again, and Cindy finds the hole in the Universe several times over the next 2 games…

    Most importantly, though, is that the NYR win and remain healthy!

  19. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    BANJ, Boomer is saying everything we say. And ShameAhan is making himself look worse with his justifications of all this carcillo.

  20. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    TO THE WOODSHED!!!! WOW. and good statements Carton…

    they are killing him

  21. On train and can’t listen to WFAN. Did Boomer bring up the Shea Weber NON SUSPENSION???

    Shanny in his statement said the following:

    It is important to note that Alfredsson suffered an injury on this play. He immediately went to the dressing room and did not return to the game.

    When he returns to play tonight or plays in game 4 (I suspect very strongly that he will play tonight) will Shanny commute the sentence? DOUBTFUL and this is why it is Horsecarcillo in the first instance.

    Can anyone be more specific about what type of justification Shanny is giving for a 3 game ban???

  22. It is about time that Shanahan (douche nozzle) has to actually answer to questions about his idiotic judgments.

  23. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    maybe guys prone to injury should wear a different colored jersey than everyone else, so guys know if you hit this person, you could get a 3 or more game suspension

  24. I have lost all respect for Shanahan. There is no rhyme or reason to the actions taken. So, if you elbow a guy in the head by accident then it’s 3 games, but if you punch a guy in the head repeatedly it’s 1 game. And, if you’re Shea Weber you can smash a guy’s face into the boards and get nothing.

    It’s so ridiculously stupid that it boggles the mind.

  25. Ultimately, I have no problem with Hagelin getting three games. However, I have a major problem with all of the other stuff which has been way out of whack! Carkner and Weber should have gotten 10 games each for intentionally trying to hurt players. Off the ice, they would have been charged with felonies.

  26. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    WOW, he should suspend himself for talking out of both sides of his mouth!

  27. Blogmama Go Tony!!!! on

    Go Boomer!!! Just for the record, and I’ve said it here before….I never liked Shanhan to begin with!!!

  28. Good morning, boneheads!

    The Mouth! How have you been, bud? And agree with what you said. This is the better team, no need to deviate from what is their strength. Let Ottawa do it. John Scott isn’t what they need at the moment. This is playoffs.
    The other thing, the Rangers need to move on and forget the suspension to Hagelin. This is an exact adversity that this team is built to overcome. Dress the best possible lineup and play your game! LGR!!!!!

  29. Let my Hagelin Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    In the words of Reuben’s Accomplice, “Happy Mondays”!!!

    *LGBT* !!!

  30. I can’t wait to see Donald Fehr have Buttman and his cronies shaking at the knees and crapping in there pants when the CBA is up in September.

  31. This is BS BS and more BS…..Shanhan is a farse and has lost any grip of reality….the important thing to note here is not what hagelin did…for whihc he did deserve a ONE game suspension, but all the OTHER CARCILLO that has gone unpunished….

  32. FREE HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan says GET WELL SOON TONY!! on

    crap, gonna be late for work and it’s right across the street! I’m sure i will have about 400 posts to catch up with on my lunch hour!

  33. Play the Right Way on

    I agree with Dan Shea. An elbow to the head is an elbow to the head. Period. By anyone on anyone HAS to be suspended. What if it was Karlsson’s elbow on Gabby’s head?? Would we want a 30 game suspension?? I would!

    But, the inept dealing with Carkner, Weber… and I’m sure Assham and Pile-of-Schenn will also get couch-change fines..

    Best way to deal with these fines? Win the daarned series! LGR!

  34. @Manny wrote:

    Let my Hagelin Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  35. Boomer was great and asked all the questions we wanted asked and then still told Shanahan that he disagreed. I have lost all respect for Shanahan for saying that Callahan was not elbowed by Phillips.

  36. Agreed ilb. Beating them is much better revenge than dressing a goon to “send a message”. A message that I might add, was sent in game 1 without even dressing the said goon.

    I’m wondering..are Philly and the cindys unable OR unwilling to play defense? Or a little of both?

  37. I am not saying that HAGS shouldn’t have been suspended. But, 1 game seems appropriate in light of the NON SUSPENSION of Shea Weber!

    But for the grace of god, Zetterberg was not seriously injured. The INJURY portion of the equation is a RIDICULOUS way to determine suspensions. There was malicious intent on the part of Weber and non on the part of HAGS.

    According to Adam Rotter, Shanny said on WFAN that Alfredson is doubtful for tonight. I will believe that when I see it. I still fully expect him to play tonight. And at worst, he will be back for game 4.

    I can not get over my anger about this situation. Talk about injustice…

  38. The NHL wants to consider themselves on the same level as the NFL and NBA. What do you think those leagues would have done with the things that have come across Shanahan’s desk? Weber would be on indefinite suspension and Carkner would be out of the league for being a repeat offender.

  39. The NHL has decided that the result of the hit is more important than the hit itself. It’s stupid, but the NHL has never done things properly. I’m sure if Alfredsson was fine, Hagelin would just get a fine and if Boyle was concussed, Carkner would be gone for longer than 3.

    That’s they way they go about their business and we just have to accept that…

  40. Shanny said the following to B & C:

    On the Phillips elbow, Shanny says that it isn’t the same thing situation. it isn’t black and white it is to the degree. It’s a shoulder check to the body that has some subsequent contact to the head. I don’t think that Callahan was hurt because of the nature of the hit. I don’t think those two hits are in the same degree.

    I have watched the Phillips hit on Cally multiple times and it is absolutely just as bad as what HAGS did! The only difference is Injury/non-Injury!

    This makes me sick to my stomach. I am on fire this morning.

  41. The Carkner one-game suspension is a joke on so many levels. If Scamahan wanted to punish Carkner and the Senators he would order Ottawa to dress him and play him at least 20 minutes a d-man. Now that is a deterrent.

    This suspension has all the overtones of Adam Graves’s suspension for “breaking” Mario Lemieux’s wrist. Could you imagine what Hagelin would have gotten if he had hit Princess Sidney. Can’t wait to see what the NHL does to Claude Giroux. Goodness knows you would have fans from 29 NHL teams checking their seat cushions to pay his fine.

  42. Blogmama Go Tony!!!! on

    The whole injury thing baffles me too. Just because a player is lucky enough to not get hurt, doesn’t mitigate the fact that an illegal or dirty hit could have have caused injury. And I also believe that if the other punishments had been fairer, we wouldn’t be as upset about Hags…

    Argh! I can’t take it anymore….so ticked, but also late for work. Best answer is indeed to win tonight!!!!! Later all!

  43. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    Boomer – how many games should Boyle have received for smashing his face into carkner’s hand?

    Shanny: we were going with 4 games, but changed our minds

    Boomer – when you told carkner he was suspended for 1 game, how did he respond

    Shanny: he asked what suspension means and if it could still play tonight?

    Boomer: what do you say?

    Shanny: I told him to appeal and we would reconsider

    Boomer: what did carkner say to that?

    Shanny: he asked “what does appeal mean?”

  44. The NHL reasoning is similar to:

    I know it was attempted murder, but he didn’t kill him, so he gets a $200 ticket. However, this guy had an accident that resulted in the injury to another person, so he gets the chair.

  45. Shanahan heads the dept. in part named “player safety”. Irony or ironic? Suggestions for a more appropriate name?

  46. Eddie – Boomer asked all the questions regarding Carkner, Weber, Phillips, Hagelin, and the appeal process and then told him he still disagreed with his decision.

  47. May 9th is the 2nd annual VinceA day! Who is excited to celebrate the birth of the europansy?


  49. True fans bleed rw&b on

    Heave Ho, Buttmann and Sr. Directory of Player’s Injuries SHAMahan MUST GO!!

    Hate them all. I hope Crosby, Bettman, Lemiuex all get there’s.

  50. For the record, I’m fine with the Hagelin suspension. Does it show any consistency? No.

    What I’m not fine with is the Carkner suspension for 1 game.

    Shanny and the league are pretty much saying is not ok to hit someone with an elbow to the head (which even though it’s unintentional, is fine with me), but you can jump someone and sucker punch them while the ref stands there and watches and doesn’t break up (causing a “third man in”) and only get one game.

    Oh and if you want to think you are Macho Man Randy Savage circa 1988 and faceplant someone into a turnbuckle? Yeah that’s just a $2,500 fine.

    That’s the part that is unacceptable.

  51. Also wait until you see the lack of suspensions handed out from yesterday Flyers/Pens game. I’m so happy the Pens did that on national TV so people could finally see what us Rangers fans knew about them for years now. They are a dirty team.

    As much as I hate the Flyers, I hope they stomp them tomorrow by 6 goals. The one thing you can say about the Rangers/Flyers rivalry is that while they hate each other on the ice, they are least have some sort of respect for each other. They fight and go after each other, but not like what the Pens did. Just gutless and classless from a hypocritical organization.

    Oh wait, am I going to get fined for that?

  52. Good morning, Carp!

    I’m in a really good mood today and I don’t want to let Shanaban ruin it. So I’m out.


  53. Doodie Machetto on

    NYDNRangers Hagelin deserved a suspension 4 the elbow. Problem is the inconsistency w recent decisions on Bitz (2 gms), Weber (fine), Phillips (none)

    That sums up how I feel perfectly.



    LOL!!! does this mean we can expect to see the Rev. Al Sharpton protesting in Ottawa tonight?

  55. Ottawa came out in game 2 with the thought of being tough and mean and the end result was a win. Tonight the Rangers can expect more of the same. Either they make them pay by popping the back of the net, which they had plenty of chances to do in game 2, or they try to rough it up.
    No doubt, Torts will have his boys prepared.

  56. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    22figure8 – let me guess, George W bush was the greatest president in us history, yes?

  57. So Shanny said that if Alfredsson plays tonight, Hagelin’s suspension MIGHT be lessened.

    What a joke Shanny has become. Maybe that Knuble collision really did knock all the sense out of him. The Rangers weren’t even appealing and now since Alfie might play, you are going to lessen the suspension? Grow a pair buddy.

    I know I’d love to see Hags back sooner, but you can’t just say “oh well the guy isn’t as injured as we thought so we’ll lessen the suspension”. The suspension should be on intent+result, and while Hags didn’t purposely try to injure Alfie, it was still a stupid hit and a statement should be made that it needs to be out of the league.

    But who am I kidding, this is the same league that fined Torts $20k for “cursing” (aka talking about their golden team).

  58. @KatieStrangESPN@ #NYR Just got confirmation from Shanahan: Hagelin’s 3-game suspension stands regardless of Alfredsson’s status

  59. Maybe we could discuss how ridiculous this league looks.
    Maybe we could discuss the glaring inconsistencies in the punishments given out.
    Do the players even understand what they should and shouldn’t do, cause right now if I was playing, I’d think a Weber head bash was ok, but I couldn’t get my stick caught up in jersey.

  60. Joekuh - 15 more...LGBT! on

    dan shea, good point about other leagues cracking down on something like this HARD. is it that hard to be consistent with punishment?

  61. >>What I’m not fine with is the Carkner suspension for 1 game.

    Shanahan is obviously saying that Carkner would have been more severely punished only if Boyle ended up like Steve Moore. I don’t see how this act is any different from what bertuzzi did. This new sheriff seems to still hold a grudge against the Rangers for not letting him play an extra year on Broadway. Petty little man!

  62. Joekuh - 15 more...LGBT! on

    e3, i agree with you for the record, but this is a sports blog. gotta let it go bruh. believe me, it ticked me off as much as it did u to see that comment which will go unmentioned.

  63. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    My bruthas – I am all good. I just Shane weber’ed my head a few times into a brick wall.

    It’s all good in my hood

  64. Did Shanahan really say that the suspension would’ve lessened if Alfredson plays tonight? On B&C? I couldn’t listen to the interview but didn’t see that part in a summary I read.

  65. Joekuh - 15 more...LGBT! on

    dear iPhone, i hate u with a fleury-ing hate.

    as i was saying, am i the only one who hopes that karlsson gets noogied AGAIN tonight?

  66. Jbytes – it has nothing to do with the Rangers. It’s the whole league. Shanny is pissed at the Wings for not re-signing him too?

    He’s clearly a puppet figure so the NHL can make it look like a former player is making decisions. We really shouldn’t be surprised by any of this. The NHL only cares about star players in it’s media-hyped markets.

    Malkin slew-foots someone? No call. Alfredsson gets hit in the head? Throw the book at the guy who hit him. A 3rd/4th line role player like Brian Boyle gets jumped and mugged in something that would be a felony outside of the hockey rink? Eh, only 1 game. Superstar James Neal going headhunting on two Flyers players in a span of 3 minutes? Probably nothing more than a $2,500 fine. Superstar Shea Weber tries to think he’s at Wrestlemania and shove Zetterberg’s head through the glass? Oh man so entertaining, we’ll only give him $2,500 (out of his $5 mil dollar contract).

    It happens to every team. If you are a star player, you get the treatment. What hurts the Rangers is Torts’ honesty. The fans love it (even teams who don’t like the Rangers agreed with his Pittsburgh comments) and more importantly his players love it. But the league hates it and definitely puts more of a bias towards the Rangers and other teams who call them out on their decision making.

    I’ve got a solution. If you don’t like people calling you out on your decisions, MAKE BETTER DECISIONS!!! Make head-shots an automatic 20 game suspension to get them out of the game. Make slew foots and other things a minimum fine of $25k. And don’t try to justify a mugging by saying “he was coming to the aid of a teammate” when there was no fight going on.

  67. Rumor has it they will be standardizing suspensions…1 game for a 3 day absence, 2 games for a 5 day absence, etc. then weighting it with the salary of the injured player, subject to an independent doctors evaluation and the Standard Physician’s Desk Reference Diagnostic Code, modified by a credibility factor relative to the assessable salary under the CBA. This will all be done by an NHL computer, so Shanny will no longer be needed and placed in charge of referee insurance plans, making his inconsistent punishment a moot point. Also, and this is from Rod, so it must be true, referees will be removed from the ice surface and replaced by the war room in Toronto as a cost saving measure and to make the on-ice calls more consistent. The calls will be broadcast on the jumbotron of each team; players watch this anyway after each play, so what the heck….

  68. To echo what’s been said before: The point of supplementary discipline is to discourage these kinds of actions. Players should be aware that ALL head shots will result in a suspension. To only suspend injury-causing headshots desensitizes players to the head shot epidemic and does little to discourage players from raising elbows, etc.

    Also, past head injuries shouldn’t be a factor. I hate to discourage players from resuming their careers, but once they choose to come back they should be fair game just as much as a guy with no history of head injuries. It’s one thing to specifically target someone because of their history, but absent that kind of act, all players should be treated equally.

  69. Doodie Machetto, Get well Tony on

    “When Cameron was in Egypt land, let my Cameron goooo”

    When Hagelin was in Shanny land, let my Hagelin goooo

  70. Still annoyed about Hags, but not much we can do now.

    Any reason they did not appeal the suspension? I am assuming the thinking is that most suspensions are upheld, and they may lose him for games 4-6, or 5-7, instead. There is a good argument to get it reduced by at least 1 game.

  71. I’m happy that Alfredsson is well enough to participate in the morning skate. I always respected him as a player and have no axe to grind with him.

    But if the league is going to start determining fines/suspensions based upon player injury, then this makes the length of Hagelin’s suspension even more ridiculous.

    You can’t give a guy 3 games primarily because the other player was injured on the play, if that players is good to go in the next game 2 days later.

  72. True fans bleed rw&b on

    Phew! Alfie’s on the ice. Crisis averted NHL… Oh, you mean the ‘injury-linked suspension protocol’ might backfire?! Uh oh.

    And watch the Phillips hit again! Know how you can tell its a bad hit?! A half a second later NEIL Looks right to Boyle and left (vacant) in a way that seems to assess whether someones gonna charge in.

    The NHL is an absolute abomination right now. I am so disgusted. Go give Asham 2 games, Neil 2,500 fine and let me forget you forever.

  73. Players who get hit in the head can also over-exaggerate the hit. So maybe Alfredsson over reacted knowing that if he didn’t return to play the chances would be greater for Hag’s to be suspended.

  74. told you alfreddson will play.

    shanahan is joke. the league is a joke.

    what a friggin joke basing penalties on injuries not intent……..

  75. All of these inconsistencies make me think the NHL is totally flying by the seat of Shanny’s pants. There is no standard, nothing is consistent. Almost like no one sat down and drew up guidelines as to what is suspenable, fineable etc.
    What a joke!

  76. The NHL has had more head injuuries this year than in any other season I can remember since I started following the Rangers in the 1950s and 1960s, even if they were not publicized to the same extent back then. If this is any indication, Shanahan is a total failure as chief of discipline and player safety. He should find another role at the NHL where his talents can be used more effectively.

  77. They didn’t bother appealing because…..what’s the point? The “justice system” that handed down the 3 games is the same one that would naturally rule “no” on the appeal. They’d probably also find a reason to fine the Rangers another $20k for having the audacity to challenge Shanahan’s decision.

    Let’s just get this over with an have Hags back and ready to roll for Game 6 or Round 2.

  78. One game would have been appropriate.

    Two games would have been harsh but ultimately acceptable.

    Three games is OBSCENE.

    Shanahan is ignoring the behavior and punishing the outcome.

    That’s a recipe for disaster.


    We’re clearly rolling three tonight, so do as I suggested before the series started and put in John Scott to turn Chris Neil into a tepid puddle of pink goo on the ice.

    Whether Neil wants to fight or not.

    What’re they gonna do? Suspend him?

  79. This is an absolute recipe for disaster. Let’s hope our team acts like the team they have been trained to behave like and comes together and just dominates tonight with all sorts of extra effort.

  80. Staal – Alfredsson has way too much class for that. He wouldn’t have missed the rest of the game if he was faking. He probably had a headache and left because of what happened in his last concussion. But he definitely wasn’t acting.

  81. I don’t like the idea of dressing Scott over Kreider simply because this team has a tendency to have trouble scoring goals. Or at least timely goals. Think how much different Game 2 would have played out if the Rangers had scored a couple of goals during Carkner’s major. Up 2-0 like 6-7 minutes into the game, already up 1-0 in the series…..Maybe Ottawa thinks twice about doing something else stupid the rest of the game.

    Not that I think Kreider is going to be an offensive force right off the bat, but even with spot duty he’ll have more of a beneficial impact than Scott, who you know isn’t going to give you anything offensively. Plus you sow the seeds for Kreider’s development down the road. There’s no “mystery” about Scott like there is about Kreider. May as well start to see what we have here.

  82. czechthemout!!!! on

    So, Alfie is on the ice practicing and ready to go while the Rangers first line left wing is sitting for an accidental hit delivered because the receiving player decide to raise his stick and put his head down. Sather is a fool if he doesn’t appeal this travesty of a suspension which may lead to an unjustified early exit from the playoffs. I think all the outrage expressed by so many people from all around the league may actually force Buttman’s hand to reduce the suspension to only a game. There is an old saying in the sales business, if you don’t ask, you don’t get!

    And can we please stop with this “let’s dress Scott” nonsense. Unless of course it comes at Rupp’s expense.

  83. Shanny said that if the Rangers were to appeal and Alfredsson were to play tonight then they would consider it.

    Although if you appeal the suspension that means Hagelin could play tonight and if he loses he would then have to miss game 6/game 1 no?

  84. Good piece, Corey. I sure hope you’re right about Rangers in 5. I initially thought Rangers in 6 but the longer this series goes the more worried I will be about the Rangers chances.

  85. So……the league really thinks that Hagelin’s hit on Alfredsson was reckless or intentional? Isn’t Alfredsson a hero to a kid like Hagelin? I am sure Hagelin grew up worshiping Alfie.

  86. It doesn’t matter if Hags grew up loving Alfie or not, it was still a suspendable hit. It also doesn’t matter if Alfredsson was injured or not, you can’t be allowing guys to go around throwing their elbow like that, even if it wasn’t intentional.

    However you also can’t allow guy to smash others face into the glass (Weber), jump an unexpecting player (Carkner), or run at guys who don’t even have the puck and jump and elbow them in the head (Neal). If those guys actually got approriate discipline, I’d have nothing to complain about. Do I think Hags’ suspension is too long? Yes, but only because of what the other guys got suspended less for.

  87. Shanahan never said that the suspension might be lessened if Alfredsson plays. Craig Carton asked what if Alfredsson plays tonight and Shanahan clearly responded that the suspension stands unless it’s appealed before the first game of the suspension.

  88. Eddie eddie Eddie on

    I hope John Scott punches every senator in the nose and they all bleed to death.

    Play John Scott

  89. Czech prust saying but you were the one that was saying repeatedly here that they should base suspensions on the length of injury after orpiks hit on stepan. Manny ye hagelin said he grew up idolizing alfie and that at the all star game his dream came true when they hung out

  90. Jonny D – it does matter if he was injured or not. Shanahan said that the Ottawa medical report was part of his decision process.

  91. So tonight if Rupp (or say Scott if he plays) on his first shift makes a beeline for Karlsson, punches him in the face, throws him down and throws punches while he’s on his back, he gets a 5 minute major and suspended for one game? Didn’t get to hear the B/C intview, did they ask Shanny that?

  92. don’t really see how this is remotely similar to Bertuzzi and Moore. say what you will about Carkner, but he went straight at Boyle. Bertuzzi punched Moore from behind with a gloved hand – after chasing him around – and slammed his head into the ice.

  93. Ok so the Senators think the Rangers are playing Kreider with Boyle and Prust which means the Senators agreed with option #2:

    Gaborik – Anisimov – Stepan
    Callahan – Richards – Dubinsky
    Prust – Boyle – Kreider
    Prust – Mitchell – Rupp

  94. @NYDNRangers@ yfrog.com/occtojuj Rangers haven’t announced their lineup yet, but here’s who the Senators expect to face #NYR #Sens #Kreids

    That is my footnore

  95. Wow – Carton and actually took Shanny to task as well. Called him out on the assigning punishment based on the injury, not the intent or action.

  96. I would love to see Kreider-Richards-Gaborik at some point, but suffice to say that Kreider is too inexperienced to be trusted with that sort of responsibility.

    I’d play him with Stepan and Mitchell as the “4th line”

  97. czechthemout!!!! on


    Not quite. I think injury should factor into it to some extant if the intent of the hit was to cause injury to a player. Clearly, the Orpik hit qualified. So did the Weber play,and the Carkner assault on Boyle. And the garbage pulled ny Bits,and Neal twice yesterday. Also Asham. Clearly, Hagelin’s hit had zero intent to injure. In fact, he should not have been given a major for that.

  98. Scott – I know what Shanny said. But it shouldn’t be one of the determining factors in the decision. If you swing your stick at someones head and he’s completely fine, you should still be suspended 25 games. The result shouldn’t necessarily matter, it’s the intent that does.

    If you hit a guy high like Hags did, you deserve to be suspended for 3 games. If you punch someone like Carkner did, as Jonesy said on NBC last night, you should be suspended for each punch you threw (or at least 10 games). You can’t have guys going out there doing what Weber did and not getting suspended just because there was no injury.

  99. Stepan on the 4th line? Why? Does that mean Callahan moves to the first, Boyle to second and Prust to third? Where does Rupp play?

  100. Amen, Jonny. We cannot have any sort of justice system that is based on the victim – the law has to be the law and it must be enforced how it is written and not interpreted based on how it plays out.

  101. Hags shouldn’t have been given a major? No offense, but take off the Rangers glasses lol. I think we all know Hags didn’t mean to hurt Alfredsson, but based on the rulebook, he hit him high with an elbow and injured the player. That’s an automatic 5-minute major.

    And you know if Turris or someone like that did the same thing to Gaby and Richie, you’d be pissed off and want to see a multiple game suspension.

  102. JBytes – are you serious? It’s the playoffs. Alfie (the captain and leader of the Sens) is just going to purposely take himself out of an important playoff game just to pretend he is injured?

    He has way too much class for that and I can’t even believe Rangers’ fans would even suggest that. Makes us sound like Flyers fans.

    He had a serious concussion earlier in the year. I’m sure he was hurting and as a precaution, went straight too the locker room since he was afraid it would turn out like the Wolski hit did. He feels better today so he’s ready to play. He definitely wasn’t faking.

  103. Manny

    Stepan has been pretty weak the past 2 games (as he was last year in the playoffs). He’s also the only forward on the team that’s played with Kreider before.

    I would expect Rupp to move up with Boyle and Prust and Fedotenko to go with Richards and Gaborik.

  104. I can’t see any circumstance in which Stepan gets reduced to 7 Minutes or less while Rupp gets promoted to 13.

  105. So Alfredsson confirms that he has a concussion and two days later he’s in the morning skate. Doesn’t the NHLPA have a protocol for concussions?

    Shanny saying that Ottawa disclosed to him up front that Alfredsson might be able to play tonight, and that was factored into his decision.

    So, he starts out the interview saying hey, if Alfredsson plays, there is a chance the suspension could be lessened, and then later says that the 3 games took that into account already.

    It sounds like maybe this isn’t his decision, because he’s waffling all over the place!!! almost like he’s trying to do Public Relations for whomever made the actual decision.

  106. Manny

    of course not although ice time is adjusted by how well a player performs. If Kreider looks amazing he’ll play him more although I expect the Zuccarello treatment for him.

    I expect Boyle, Stepan, Fedotenko and Prust to get the most icetime of the bottom 6 though…

  107. Anyone who missed it, you can hear Shanahan with Boomer and Carton on the WFAN website. you need to click on the Boomer and Carton link, click on the Shanahan article and the audio link is about half way down the article.

  108. also you can participate in the morning skate with a concussion, it’s the contact that is a problem. Sauer was skating at one point this year too until they shut him down.

    You have to imagine that Ottawa is going to be pretty careful with him. He might only play on the PP or something like that…

  109. Sioux-per-man on

    Carp – Question. Alfredson has passed his “test”. Game time decision = he will play.

    Now if Rangers Appeal before the drop of the puck? Can Carl play tonight until they have a decision?

    It’s a bit a gamesmanship, but if Alfredson isn’t hurt, WHY NOT appeal?

  110. czechthemout!!!! on

    Johny D

    I am not wearing any glasses. That hit was not a major. Sorry. Because if you that was, than what was the Phillips hit? And no I wouldn’t be calling for a suspension but I would he calling for a similar type of uit on one of their stars. That was not a major and certainly not a suspension worthy hit. Just because you believe it to be doesn’t make it so. If you watched Milbury last night, certainly no friend of the Rangers, and Jones, they also didn’t think it was suspension worthy or even a major. They did however state that if that was a suspension, than what Carkner,and Weber did should qualify for a permanent ban. In assuring they said that what the Penguins pulled should eliminate six to eight of their players from the rest of their playoffs.

  111. Matt L – excellent point about practicing (w/out the “no hit jersey) after suffering a concussion less than 48 hours previous. Add on to that how/why would Ottawa let him fly back with the team if he had a concussion. In this day and age, teams are loathe to disclose any injury specifics. He might have just as easily wrenched a back or a knee and Ottawa is trying to keep that quiet.

    After all, this is the league that has made “upper body injury” and “lower body injury” the industry standard when it comes to revealing injuries

  112. I think they move Feds up to top line to be defensively responsible for Gabby/Richards. My guess is Kreider is going to play tonight as well, not Scott. Remember, Scott’s conditioning while with Chicago was a huge problem. Kreider is probably in better shape having come right from the Frozen Four.

  113. Czech – they changed the rulebook last year than any hit that is an elbow, clash, cross-check or board that results in an injury to a player is an automatic 5-minute major. So by rule, it was the right call.

    That’s all I was saying that by definition, it is a major penalty and was correctly dealt with on the ice based on the rule book.

  114. We need to take a page out of Deboer’s playbook. Line up Scott next to Neil, if he doesn’t take challenge Scott goes to the bench.

    Sit Rupp and put Scott in who intimidates more. Rupp plays 2 mins so why not let Scott do the same.

    Then insert the Kreider, let him play here and there to start. See how it goes.

    Move Dubi up to 1st line LW. I expect a big game from him.

  115. Im disgusted by the suspension but im even more disgusted that some of you are saying that alfredsson faked it. Are you serious? Ye the guy is playing in his last few nhl games and he leaves the game. Dont degrade yourselves to flyer fan level

  116. eddie eddie eddie on

    earlier this morning my appendix ruptured, but i was able to get to the gym for a good workout

  117. And I do agree that Carkner and Weber should’ve been suspended a hell of a lot more than Hags was. Fact is they need to remove the cheap stuff out of the game and head shots as well. Hags’ hit was a head shot, whether we want to admit it or not. The Rangers even pretty much admitted that. Initial intent wasn’t to hit him high, but that’s what happened and should be treated as such.

    You can’t look at it and compare it to the other cases since what Hags did is what the NHL is trying to get rid of. However, you can and should look at what Carkner and Weber did and compare the suspension length (or lack there of) since both of those things are not even a hockey play and they should’ve missed at least the 3 games that Hags will be missing.

  118. Doodie Machetto, Get well Tony on

    I’m not saying Alfie faked leaving the game, but I am saying the information provided to Shanahan by the Senators’ doctors is probably trumped up.

  119. Thank you Lev. It’s kind of embarrassing that people here even assume that or have to stoop that low. Really gives us Rangers fans a bad name.

  120. Alfredsson is a good player and I have no doubt he got his bell rung. I don’t think he’s playing this up at all, and it sounds like Ottawa was upfront about him possibly being able to play tonight prior to Shanny’s ruling.

    However, I’m really surprised that the NHLPA protocol doesn’t mandate additional safeguards to protect the player. Of course the player wants to play the next game!

    Hags elbowed him and he got 5 minutes.

    I’m waiting to see what happens with the flyers/pens aftermath…

  121. eddie eddie eddie on

    LEV – most of what i say is attempts at humor, if it fails, i apologize……tho, allow me to say that as i type this, both of my kidneys just exploded

  122. Doodie Machetto, Get well Tony on

    Hagelin should have gotten suspended. To me, three games seems a little harsh, but I can understand it. It’s the treatment of other players that is puzzling.

  123. Yea, what Doodie said. The Senators, I am sure, withheld information about his injury until the suspension was released. It seems like all teams do that. Alfie was injured earlier this year so who knows how they choose to play it. If he confirmed that he had a concussion then I am assuming he won’t play because it sounds really risky.

  124. Thats a possibility, Doodie. I wouldnt blame them for trying it. Look the guy was concussed earlier in the year. Got hit in the head again. It’s not hard to buy the argument. If Richards got hit like that hed probably react the same way. And we all would be outraged. A guy with a concussion history, not a dirty player, very skilled, nothing but class.

  125. Doodie Machetto, Get well Tony on

    Shanahan said yesterday that he was told by the doctors it could be 1 day or 1 year. I have a feeling they had a good idea yesterday about Alfie’s likely recovery by today and they chose to lie about it.

  126. I agree with the others who said this, sure Hagelin can have 3 games fine, but there must be consistency everywhere! If Hagelin gets 3, Phillips gets 1. Carkner gets 3 (which is something that must be taken out, blatant savagery).

    Asham should be done for the rest of the playoffs. Weber, etc need suspensions.

  127. eddie eddie eddie on

    …and besides, if you guys REALLY want to toss insults, i would suggest using Pens’ fans as the baseline….they are the real neanderthals of the league

  128. Honestly, I think they need to eliminate the instigator / 3rd man in rule. The league/refs are not capable of protecting players and assigning culpability during or after the game.

    There is a lack of respect for the opponent because you don’t have to fear physical retribution. After Boyle rabbit punched Karlsson in game 1, I think would have been appropriate for someone to challenge him right there. Or, and I can’t believe I’m going to say this, maybe done a tit-for-tat with one of the Rangers skilled players.

    If you look at this objectively, if someone comes in and attacks Boyle while he’s punching Karlsson, that guy is going to get tossed. It’s the same thing that happened to Dubinsky.

    Get rid of that rule and let the players police themselves.

  129. Apparently Torts won’t discuss lineup.

    But Zipay says a board in Sens dressing room predicts Feds on Line 1 and Kreider on Line 3.

  130. What are you talking about? All I’m saying is that we are better than that to suggest a player is faking a concussion.

    Also when it comes to concussions, you never know how a player is going to react. They might have immediate side-effects that go away after a day, others might linger or have those side-effects come back.

    As someone who has had a few of them, I can tell you that you really never know when the symptoms will go away. Sometimes you think you feel fine, and then they come right back. It’s not like other injuries where you definitively know whether or not you are hurt, and it sure as hell isn’t fun to deal with them.

  131. czechthemout!!!! on

    Johnny D

    Fair enough. But there are a lot of “rules” that the refs in the league don’t enforce to the letter. That hit was in no way an intent to injur and should therefore not have been called a major. And if we are to follow the new rules, how is it that Phillips hit was not called a major?

  132. Doodie Machetto, Get well Tony on

    AGrossRecord There was another question coming but Torts was already walking away from podium. “You missed,” Torts says to reporter.


  133. eddie eddie eddie on

    jonny d – for all we know, it was a pinched nerve, back sprain, or knee tweek…..do you think the Sens staff is being just a little coy?

  134. eddie eddie eddie on

    jonny – i, too, have had several concussions…and i know of what you speak……my intent all along was to inject jocularity…..if i failed, i apopogize

  135. Czech – Phillips wasn’t a major because Callahan didn’t suffer an injury. That’s the only difference. I know it’s stupid, but it’s how the book is written.

    Eddie – I highly doubt that, but even if it is, that’s fine. They are in their right to do that. The Rangers do the same thing when Torts refuses to discuss injuries. But I still don’t think Alfie would’ve left the game if he didn’t think he wasn’t seriously injured.

  136. Stranger Nation on

    Would prefer Scott over Rupp as Rupper has not proven any ability to fight a heavyweight or turn left when skating. Just do not see much drop off in the 4 mins of ice time.

    The second coming is coming tonite – we MUST see the Kreider. I would play Artie with B Rich and Gabby on line 1, unless he needs to play pivot on line 2 for Step who seems to be inTorts dog house.

    Another thought is to move Bickel up to Line 4 and play Em or Woywhatever for the 5 mins the 6th D man will play.

  137. eddie eddie eddie on

    Gross tweeted that alfie did indeed sustain a concussion, but he is a game time decision….PLEASE

  138. Haha sorry eddie if I’m missing your sarcasm. Interesting day at work today so I’m just missing it all. Plus I have a Pens fan here who is actually saying he is disgusted at what the Pens did yesterday. I’m kind of in shock.

  139. eddie eddie eddie on

    jonny d – your co-worker should be more ashamed to be a pens fan regardless of what went on yesterday…

  140. Stranger Nation on

    Under the headline, “Life is Irony”: the least likely player to be assessed a major and subsequent extension (hags) against the last person he would want to hurt (Alfie).

    Regardless of the perceived injustice based upon subjective application of player safety rules, playoff hockey is the b@lls! That filthy-piss game was a beaut! Nucks and piss aboot to be swept, debbies and Bees tied, dogs and cats living together – MASS HYSTERIA!


  141. eddie eddie eddie on

    banj – iron ball McD is fine, but you should see that puck…talk about damage

  142. Wicky© I say Frontier Justice is the ONLY way to go!!! LGT!!! on

    Morning ILB and Tony and all!!

    Paternity leave over, so back to the salt mines today!! Which means LGD and LGR(and always LGT!!)!!

    Please, no tweet or text msg updates tonight you wankers!!

    On to the subjects at hand…
    Am I the only one who remembers this??

    I am almost (ALMOST) as excited to hear the other game suspensions from SYBILAHAN as I am the game tonight…ALMOST

    The conspiracy theory that the NHL favors Canadian teams or hates the Rangers and is trying to derail a Rangers cup run is just…well…RIDICULOUS on both counts.

    Saying that, the erratic fines/suspensions/none of the afore mentioned from SYBILAHAN is a joke.

    Philips should have got same as hagelin, which I thought was 2 games if they are serious about the headshot thing, carkner AND weber should have been in the 5 to 6 range. I can not wait to see what players from the blues/sharks (and there better be a few) and the pens/flyers (better be a few more) get today!

    Speaking of pens flyers, I really don’t think piece of cooke had any PIMs

    I don’t think Alfie was faking, though in the spirit of gamesmanship, I think the sens organization played it up well.

    Speaking of GOONSMANSHIP, I would still sit mitchell and dress kreider and scott (not like mitchell’s 4-5 minutes would be missed, no offence John) and have scott give as many karlsson noogies after the whistle as possible to all comers.

    That being said, I would be shocked if the organization and torts did what I mentioned above, (while I would personally do what I mentioned). I believe Torts and the Rangers will probably do just what they have been doing, rebounding from losses and playing their game and getting back on the winning track. It is the more logical and smart decision.

    Did I mention I would dress scott if I was the coach…Good thing I am not the coach!

    Off to work, later aasens (great pics sallycrepes and fellas) LGR, LGD, LGT!!!!

    I hope the whole team continues the noogies!!!

  143. Stranger Nation on

    So flipping pumped right now, steady Eddie

    Are you related to the fabulous freak brothers?

  144. eddie eddie eddie on

    s. nation….i am freaking pumped myself……..you know my bro’s?

    wicky – vibin

  145. @stevezipay@ Written on dry-erase board in visitors locker room: *”Bravery is not the absence of fear, but the action in the face of fear”* —Mark Messier

  146. Big Game tonight!! Hope the boys respond but just playing a fast, physical game. We have better goaltending and D and that should win the day. I figured Hags would get a game, but 3? Ridiculous in light of Shea Webber getting nothing! Thats the NHL these days though. Kredier should play with Mitchell and Rupper and lets Duby play wing with Richards and Gaborik IMO. LETS GO RANGERS!!!

  147. czechthemout!!!! on


    Hope you are wrong on Scott because Richards and Bickel are also in the optional.

    But if you are right than Torts is a fool. Putting in John Scott is the equivalent of playing me in the game. I am 45 years old, weigh about 245lbs and am about 6’3. I also skate faster than him still to this day. I can also handle myself pretty well on the ice. At least I used to. Scott skates and has the quickness of a 45 year old.

  148. eddie eddie eddie on

    s nation…i hear ya, but i was never a fan of shakedown street…disco dead at its worst :)

  149. Wow, just listened to Brenda Shana-ban on B&C…….that guy really is a joke and he sounded just as clueless as most of us think he is.

  150. Really czech? That’s great news. I just saw a tweet saying Kreider remained on the ice while all others were off and I thought that was the end of speculation.

    And czech – I would love it if you played!

  151. eddie eddie eddie on

    s. nation – let my inspiration flow in token rhyme suggesting rhyhem, i will not forsake you till my tale is told and done….

  152. eddie eddie eddie on

    CZECH shoots and scores…then delivers a cross check to the back of Neil’s head

  153. kreider will be on the 3rd line and playing tonight.

    kreider, boyle, and prust…

    dubi, richards and gabby

    aa, cally, and feds

    mithchell, rupp, and stepan

    why the hell is stepan on the 4th line?

  154. I would say move Bickel to the 4th line and insert John Scott.

    And this entire “turn the other cheek” mindset is pure nonsense. Not only did they run at the Captains head last game, they also jumped Boyle and cross checked Gabby in the back behind the play.

    On no, then I have to listen to Maloney talk about how this helped elevate Erik Karlsson. Karlsson needs to be run into the boards over and over again.

    The mere fact that Chris Phillips was allowed to finish the game the other night had me frothing at the mouth. That scumbag, visor-wearing wuss runs our captain and we didn’t answer the bell.

    The bell needs to be answered and I would play every guy that can do it. Let the chips fall where they may, there is always a game 4.

  155. What a shock, Alfie skating in practice and is a “game time ” decision. If he really had a concussion do you think they would let him play and practice so soon after the incident? (especially with his history of concussions). This whole thing is horsecarcillo!

    I do NOT UNDERSTAND why the Rangers do not appeal to Bettman and use this information as well as the Weber situation as a template for the punishment Carl should get?


    I am an attorney and I could win this case! ;-)

  156. wyshynski New Puck Daddy: After Daniel Alfredsson confirms concussion, Senators coach confirms he could play in Game 3 yhoo.it/IZglOJ

    RIGHT… He had a concussion but he can play in Game 3. If I was mad this morning….. My anger is out of control right now.

    That statement ALONE is enough to go forward with the APPEAL.

    If you read what Shanny said, the punishment was tied to the injury! If he is playing tonight, then the suspension is even MORE ridiculous than it was in the first place.

  157. eddie eddie eddie on

    Czech – i know you would

    Yev – take the plea (havent listend to your link yet, but will soon :)

  158. Speaking of Attorneys – HEY NOAH!

    And true to form – right in the middle of my playoff beard I get an interview at another firm. Sheesh!

  159. Noah-auer-uccarello-minger-agelin, 29 on

    We should start a law firm: Boneheads, P.C.

    I’ve always wanted to be a partner!

  160. reminds me of graves slash on mario in 92 playoffs. supposely had broken wrist came back led pens to cup. hags hits alfy suppose to have concsussion will dress tonight and pay dividends at some point.
    this league is a joke.

    shanny is a loser go hang out with your kids you pathetic piece of crap

  161. eddie eddie eddie on

    McD needs to swing his iron ball and whack neil on the knee……he will be gone for the playoffs

  162. eddie eddie eddie on

    banj – i like to smoke two joints befor i smoke 2 joints, then i like to smoke 2 more

    what we need, what we need, is SOLIDARITY

  163. Stranger Nation on

    Yev -1000% correct on appeal of suspension given Brenda’s logic with Alfie playing. At worst should be reduced to 1 game

  164. Does anyone have confirmation of our lines tonight? Is Fedo on the Richards-Gaborik line?
    As far as all the opinions about discipline and punishment, I don’t really have anything to add.
    All I know is, I’m sure Torts has the team laser-focused on the game tonight, and how we MUST stand up OTTAWA on our blue line instead of backing into our zone. We must establish our forecheck early, and we must not make cross-ice outlet passes from deep in our zone (DZ especially). We need this win.

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