Rangers at Islanders tonight

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Pre-game notes, courtesy of the Rangers:

NEW YORK RANGERS at NEW YORK ISLANDERS
Friday, Feb. 24, 7:00 p.m.
Nassau Coliseum — Uniondale, NY
Rangers: 38-15-5 (81 pts)
Islanders: 25-27-8 (58 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Feb. 22

TONIGHT’S GAME
The Rangers will face-off against the New York Islanders at Nassau Coliseum (7:00 p.m.; TV: MSG Network; Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio), in the first game of a back-to-back set. The Blueshirts currently sit atop the Eastern Conference standings, and rank third in the league overall, with a record of 38-15-5 (81 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Pittsburgh Penguins, 2-0, on Tuesday at CONSOL Energy Center, and are now 9-3-1 in their last 13 games. The Blueshirts are 21-7-1 in their last 29 contests, dating back to Dec. 17, and have registered at least one point in 38 of their last 50 games since Oct. 29 (35-12-3) after beginning the season with a 3-3-2 mark. The Islanders enter the contest with a 25-27-8 (58 pts) record to rank 13th in the Eastern Conference, and have lost three of their last four games. Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the Buffalo Sabres tomorrow, Feb. 25, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), to close out their back-to-back set.

RANGERS vs. ISLANDERS:
* All-Time: 115-99-19-5 overall (67-37-11-4 at home; 48-62-8-1 on the road)
* 2011-12: Tonight is the fifth of six meetings this season, and the third and final on the road. The Rangers are 3-1-0 overall (2-0-0 at home; 1-1-0 on the road), following a 3-0 win on Dec. 26 at Madison Square Garden. Brandon Dubinsky (one goal, three assists) and Ryan Callahan (one goal, three assists) are tied for the team-high in scoring with four points apiece, while Marian Gaborik has notched a team-high, three goals. Henrik Lundqvist is 2-1-0 with a 1.68 GAA, .947 Sv% and one shutout in three games, and Martin Biron is 1-0-0 with a 2.01 GAA and .923 Sv% in one game.
* Last Season: New York was 4-2-0 overall (3-0-0 at home; 1-2-0 on the road). The Rangers averaged 4.5 goals per contest, and converted 9-28 on the power play for a 32.1% success rate in the season series. Marian Gaborik led all skaters with six goals and 10 points in six games, while Brandon Dubinsky tallied a team-high six assists in the season series.
* The Rangers have won seven of their last nine games against the Islanders, having out-scored the Islanders, 36-24, over the span
* New York ranks second with a 19-8-3 (41 pts) record on the road; Long Island ranks 28th with a 13-14-5 (31 pts) mark at home
* The Rangers are 11-4-1 vs. the Atlantic Division; the Islanders are 4-8-2 vs. the Atlantic Division
* New York lists two former Islanders on their roster: Martin Biron (2009-10); Ruslan Fedotenko (2007-08)
* Long Island lists two former Rangers on their roster: Mike Mottau (2000-01 – 2001-02); P.A. Parenteau (2009-10)

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. ISLANDERS:
* Henrik Lundqvist — 40 GP, 23-11-5, 2.17 GAA, 4 SO
* Martin Biron — 27 GP, 21-4-1, 2.00 GAA, 2 SO
* Brad Richards — 34 GP, 11-19-30
* Marian Gaborik — 25 GP, 17-12-29
* Brandon Dubinsky — 31 GP, 7-19-26
* Michael Del Zotto — 13 GP, 3-5-8

SPECIAL TEAMS:
The Rangers have tallied five power play goals in the last seven games, posting a 20.0% success rate over the span (5-25). The Blueshirts penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in four of the last six games (14-16, 87.5%), and 18 of the last 25 games (61-68, 89.7% over the span). The Rangers are tied for fourth in the NHL with seven shorthanded goals. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 19-1-2 in games when tallying a power play goal, and are 27-7-2 when not allowing a power play goal.
* Power Play: The Rangers did not tally a goal in three power play attempts (5:19) on Tuesday at Pittsburgh. New York ranks 27th overall (28-201, 13.9%) and 25th on the road (12-93, 12.9%). The Rangers are 2-13 (10:23) in five-on-three situations (last – 2/19 vs. CBJ), and 1-6 (8:52) when four-on-three (last – 2/1 at BUF). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore); 12/17 at PHX (Korpikoski).
* Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts surrendered one goal to the Penguins in two shorthanded situations (2:58) on Tuesday at Pittsburgh. New York ranks fourth overall (163-188, 86.7%) and fifth on the road (90-103, 87.4%). The Rangers are 8-9 (4:34) in three-on-five situations (last – 2/16 vs. CHI), and 2-3 (2:24) when three-on-four (last – 2/16 vs. CHI). Shorthanded goals for (7): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan); 12/20 at NJD (Hagelin); 1/6 at PIT (Dubinsky); 2/12 vs. WSH (Prust).
* Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in one four-on-four situation (0:41) on Tuesday at Pittsburgh. The Rangers are plus-seven in 60 four-on-four situations (107:33), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (8): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi); 1/2 vs. FLA (Gaborik); 2/9 vs. TBL (Stepan); 2/9 vs. TBL (Richards); 2/14 at BOS (Anisimov); 2/19 vs. CBJ (Stepan). Four-on-four goals allowed (1): 2/9 vs. TBL (Lecavalier).

BACK-TO-BACKS
The Rangers will begin their 10th of 14 scheduled back-to-back sets this season tonight against the New York Islanders at Nassau Coliseum. New York has posted a record of 7-0-2 (3-0-0 at home, 4-0-2 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 7-1-1 (5-0-0 at home, 2-1-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 28-9-3 in the second game of back-to-backs, with a 14-3-1 mark at MSG and 14-6-2 on the road over the span. Henrik Lundqvist has started on consecutive days 57 times in his career, posting a record of 36-14-7 with a 1.82 GAA, .935 Sv% and six shutouts in the second game. The Rangers will conclude their back-to-back set tomorrow against the Buffalo Sabres at Madison Square Garden.

FAMILIAR FOE
The Rangers are 11-4-1 against Atlantic Division opponents this season, including a nine-game winning streak from Nov. 15 – Jan. 6. New York has out-scored their opponent, 47-32, in divisional play.

ROAD WARRIORS
The Blueshirts have won eight of their last 11 road games (8-2-1 over the span), and are 14-4-1 in their last 19 games away from MSG.

PLACE IN HISTORY
The Rangers’ .698 win% through 58 games is the team’s best start in 39 years, when the 1972-73 Blueshirts began the season with a 38-15-5 record (.698 win%), and is tied as the second best start in franchise history. *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau

BENCH BOSS

Head Coach John Tortorella registered his 132nd victory as Rangers’ head coach with a 3-2 overtime win on Sunday vs. Columbus to move past Herb Brooks into sole possession of sixth place on the Rangers’ all-time coaching wins list.

MEASURING UP
The Rangers rank among the NHL leaders in several statistical categories…
* 3rd in points (81)
* 1st in win% (.698)
* T-2nd in wins (38)
* 1st in regulation/overtime wins (35)
* 1st in fewest regulation losses (15)
* 1st in fewest goals against (114)
* 2nd in GAA (1.97)
* 1st in hits (1,733)
* 4th in blocked shots (970)
* T-3rd in +/- rating (plus-41)
* 4th in goal differential (plus-43)

QUICK HITS:
* This is the latest the Rangers have been in first place of the Eastern Conference standings since the 1995-96 season, when New York held the top position through games played on Mar. 15, 1996 (NYR game #68). *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau
* New York has registered at least one point in 38 of their last 50 games (35-12-3), dating back to Oct. 29, after beginning the season with a 3-3-2 mark
* New York is 14-1-2 when leading after the first period and 24-0-2 when leading after the second
* The Rangers rank fourth in the league with a .250 win% when trailing after two periods (4-11-1), and their four third period comeback victories are tied for ninth in the NHL; New York has trailed entering the third period in 16 games this season, which is the fewest in the league
* New York leads the NHL with a .769 win% when out-shooting their opponent (20-6-0)
* The Rangers lead the league when scoring first, posting a 28-1-2 mark (.903 win%) in those contests; Their 28 wins rank third in the NHL

THE HOT LIST:

* Henrik Lundqvist is 8-2-0 with a 1.29 GAA, .953 Sv% and three shutouts in his last 10 games
* Ryan Callahan has tallied seven points (six goals, one assist) in the last seven games
* Ryan McDonagh has tallied three points (two goals, one assist) in the last five games
* Marian Gaborik has tallied 16 points (four goals, 12 assists) in the last 16 games
* Brad Richards has tallied six points (two goals, four assists) in the last seven games
* Derek Stepan has tallied seven points (two goals, five assists) in the last nine games
* Michael Del Zotto has tallied nine points (two goals, seven assists) in the last 12 games, including six assists in the last seven contests
* Artem Anisimov has tallied seven points (four goals, three assists) in the last nine games
* Carl Hagelin has tallied 10 points (two goals, eight assists) in the last 15 games

MILESTONES APPROACHING:
* Ryan Callahan: 1 goal from 100 NHL career
* Steve Eminger: 4 points from 100 NHL career
* Marian Gaborik: 2 games from 700 NHL career
* Ryan McDonagh: 2 games from 100 NHL career
* John Mitchell: 1 game from 200 NHL career

INJURIES:
* Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) — 34
* Ruslan Fedotenko (injured, 2/9) — 6
Total Man-Games Lost: 176

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  1. Woke up to snow? Huh? Where did that come from???

    There is no franchise or fans I hate more than the Islanders! please beat the crap out of them tonight.

    Thank you…

  2. Hank is having a baby? I thought only Manion Rheaume could do that among former and active NHL goalies.

  3. Going to Caps game tonight, so i’ll give you my 3 stars early for the Rags.
    1. Gabby
    2.MDZ
    3.AA
    Is Ovie still out or just getting traded?

  4. Ovie is probably just prematurely suspended for the next leaping hit to someone’s head he is planning.

  5. That’d be something if this Nash thing were a smokescreen to hide the fact that we’re trying to get Ovechkin. We all know how Sather feels about smoke :)

  6. I know Brown is the LA captain, but why do all of the McKenzie/Dreger tweets keeps saying his price will be high? He seems to be having an off year and he is a 55-60 point player. He is not a goal scoring monster that demands a high price. Right now, he is Dubi without as big of a slump.

  7. Manny: remember what Ted Leonsis did the last time he had a dominant scorer signed to a mega contracted that he felt became a distraction on a team that didn’t have playoff success? Prust sayin’!

  8. with Carter and Richards reunited in LA, the LA Kings are going to change there name to the LA Partying Kings:-).

  9. Johnny: not only that but now they wanna trade their captain? Do Mike and Jeff have clauses in their contracts that say that the first one of them to down a bottle of Captain is anointed team Captain?

  10. Dan….
    Brown is an upstate NY(Ithica) kid and would mesh great with Cally.
    He would be a better pickup than Nash or Ryan…..IMO..

  11. Johnny- I have no problem with Brown as a player. My issue is that his price is supposed to be high. I don’t see why. I think he is a very good player, but not a player who demands a high price in a trade. Dreger suggests that, ” A quality young d-man and solid secondary scorer part of what might land Brown.” Brown IS secondary scoring. Good player, but it seems like his price might be too high. I am all about getting him if the price is MZA, Thomas, and a pick. I can stomach that. No way he is worth Hagelin, Erixon, and picks/additional prospects. I don’t see it.

  12. What am I missing? Do the Blue Coats want to be the worst team in NHL history? Are they broke? Now that Carter is gone, why would they want to rid themselves of Nash? How can they sell any tickets? Is Nash a cancer in their locker room? There is something going on here that makes no sense to me. It sure looks to me that the the Coats will hold on to Nash unless someone (please don’t do it Slats) gives away the house.

  13. Pretty much agree with that line of reasoning Du. They got rid of the guy that didn’t work out. Why would they ship out the guy that their fanbase actually likes? That’s management essentially saying to the fans “hey don’t bother showing up for the next few years while we try to do what we haven’t be able to do ever, which is develop players other than Rick Nash”.

  14. I’ve been saying it for days now, Nash won’t get traded, price is to high, none of the teams will give Howson what he wants which isn’t surprising because the asking price is way to high. Howson said the other day it’s non negotiable which means he won’t come down.

  15. And since GMs can never stretch the truth or outright lie in order to improve their bargaining positions, you know Howson is being straight.

  16. also, rangers being rumored in on brown probably is a sign that the rangers have moved on from trying to trade for Nash.

  17. The Rangers could use any and all help on the PP. If Erixon can be a piece to solving that seemingly eternal puzzle, he has great value. Brown is a 55-60 point, 27 goal player. Rangers could definitely use that… and should already have that if Dubi lived up to last year. However, the rumblings I am reading make it sound like a seller’s market. I would love to have Brown, but not at a super high price.

  18. Why is Erixon the one getting shipped out? I think the Rangers are going to need him next season. Unless we like watching Eminger and Stralman that much.

  19. Aghhhh….. THAT’S what “Non Negotiable” means….

    All for Brown or Ryan… Little bit colder with regard to Nash… Terrified Darth Sather will pull another Brashear but cautiously optimistic he’ll instead opt for a Prust!

    Looking forward to this one tonight, LGR.

  20. Brown is consitently among tops in the league in drawing penalties from the opposition. Then again that means we’ll see an uptick in the Rangers PP opportunities.

  21. Stranger Nation on

    Brown for Erixon and #1 2013. Kid is a non stop hitting machine with decent hands

    Hell, let’s get Nash too and put Richards in the middle of those 2 forwards.

    Put Gabby on LW with Step and Cally, you get 2 lines with top line talent – getter done!

  22. CTB: Can’t you almost look at Erixon as a luxury at this point? Right now they have a top 4 (even if the pairings don’t always reflect that) of Girardi, McDonagh, MDZ and Staal, plus Sauer hopefully back sometime soon. Erixon might be best used as bait for a top 6 forward rather than as a 3rd pair defenseman for the foreseeable future.

  23. Mister D,

    I’m iffy on Sauer, not because I don’t think he can handle top 4 duties, we saw last year he can but he’s recovering from what seems to be a serious concussion which only adds to his health issues that he’s battled his entire career.

    And there’s nothing wrong with being able to use all the sets of D more evenly. How many times have we complained about Girardi/McD getting overworked? Sure, initially they might strictly measure Erixon’s ice time in the beginning but everything that’s been said about him is that he’ll be ready to handle a full time NHL job sooner rather than later. I could easily seem him being another McD in terms of learning curve.

  24. Big thumbs up for fellow-Ithacan Dustin Brown. Not sure if anyone brought this up, but he played with Cally in the OHL (Guelph I think?). Also he hits everything in sight. Also his babies are ADORABLE.

    Okay, back to hiding for another 78 hours.

  25. it’s also possible sather is looking to get Brown to replace Dubi because Dubi will get traded for Nash is a package deal, one never knows.

  26. Doodie Machetto on

    “Brown is consitently among tops in the league in drawing penalties from the opposition. Then again that means we’ll see an uptick in the Rangers PP opportunities.”

    If anything, that’s an argument against trading for him.

  27. CTB: Same concerns on Sauer, absolutely. But I think I’d be more reluctant to trade Erixon if he were coming in to be the 4th, but having 4 solid (and knowing Torts propensity to shorten his D rotation in the 3rd), I think its one those those give-quality-to-get-quality deals. Ignoring names, a 2nd line wing does more for our team than a 3rd pair defenseman will. Not ignoring names, ILOVEDUSTINBROWNSOMUCHBRINGHIMTOMSGSATHER!!!

  28. Sassy.. being from Johnson City, its unbelievable the lack of attention the local Press gives Brown. A local kid being a captain of a major sports team us trumped by the local golf scores…sad.

    anywho… hope Sather gets this one done.

  29. Dubinsky for Ovechkin straight up. Erixon for D. Brown to replace Dubi straight up. Artie Partie, Hobbit Wizard, 1st rounder, Mitchell and OchoCinco for Nash.

  30. brown would be a perfect fit for this team, but it seems unlikely rangers can get him if the price is a top defenseman. would any gm really trade brown for erixon? even if you throw in picks? seems unlikely. and why would they be interested in dubinsky — he gives them fewer points for a bigger cap hit? doesn’t make sense. now, i know this won’t happen, but i think trading staal makes a lot of sense. with the emergence of dmz and mcd — and if erixon is as good as everyone seems to think (he hasn’t looked it to me) — staal could get you a top player.

  31. Mister D,

    I think Torts shortening the D is a product of him not having much faith in guys like Stralman and Eminger.

    Yeah it’s a give to get market, but I just don’t see them flipping Erixon so quickly after they the got him.

  32. Trading Staal only makes sense if you’re getting a top player. And any of those top players would take more than just Staal.

  33. Yea I think that’s the point to be made, CT. Stahl is going to be placed in a package for a top flight, offensive player that will cost more than just a top D-guy who is fighting back from an injury.

  34. “Yeah it’s a give to get market, but I just don’t see them flipping Erixon so quickly after they the got him.”

    What if last year Dustin Brown were available for 2 2nd round picks? If you can keep trading up, why not?

  35. If previous years version of Dustin Brown were available for 2 2nd rounders you’d do it. The thing is this isn’t the Dustin Brown we’re used to seeing.

  36. If Dustin Brown is available, I would LOVE to have him on this team. He does it all. Scores, plays incredible defense, fights, sticks up for teammates, great leader. He fits right into this team and how they play.

    He’s quite possibly the best all-around player in the league. He doesn’t necessarily do anything extremely well, but he is really good at everything. I think under Torts he would flourish.

  37. He’s quite possibly the best all-around player in the league.

    ***

    In the non Pavel Datsyuk/Nicklas Lidstrom category?

  38. LOL – we all live in Non-Pavel Datsyuk/Nicklas Lidstrom territory!

    Lidstrom may be the perfect human.

  39. Brown at his price tag too is kind of a steal. 3.175 mil for a guy that is a 25-60 player. Gives plenty of room to sign Parise if Glen wanted to (not saying he should), but it gives room to add another piece. He’d help Richards as well since he can hold the puck and has skilled moves with it.

  40. Carter? No. Not in a million years would that softie’s act play on this Ranger team. Thank God he went to LA.

    Nash? No. The price is too damn high – and as others have speculated – something’s not quite right about the situation.

    Dustin Brown? GOOD GOD YES YES YES!!! OVERPAY!!!! THE GUY IS A BEAST!!!!

  41. CTB – I’m just saying for the fact that he also hits a lot and fights as well and is extremely good defensively, he’s up there with those two guys. Those guys might be a little better offensively, but they don’t fight/hit like Brown does either.

    I watch the Kings every game so I love watching him play. Maybe I’m a little biased, but watching him play and be able to do everything, similar to David Backes, it’s very fun to watch. Plus he isn’t just a physical guy who scores garbage goals, he also has great hands and has creativity with the puck. He loves pulling the puck behind his back to beat d-men and then force his way to the net using his strength. He’s like a Callahan except with much better hands.

  42. Also, who thinks it’s going to be hilarious to watch Carter and Richards attempt to party in LA like they did in Philly?

  43. Jonny, he probably does more things than either Datsyuk or Lidstrom (since neither of those two fight) but it’s going to be hard to convince me that Brown comes close to the top end talent of either of those guys. He’s a valuable player, but he’s nowhere in the same class as those guys.

  44. If the price for Brown will be slightly less than Nash, I would say jump on it. Why not? If it costs AA, MZA, and McIlrath, I would do it. They aren’t taking Dubi. If Dubi can at least return to being a 20g 40pt guy, then the Rangers will have crazy depth. Dubi with Kreider and Hagelin next year could be a great 3rd line.

  45. why do people keep throwing mza into trades. isn’t he an unrestricted free agent next year? he’s not even a point a game guy in the minors and he’s 5-1. he has little value.

  46. I am getting all tingly and excited about this possibility of Dusty Springfield. He really fits this system. He would add a ton of depth to the forward. His contract is 100% reasonable and doesn’t handicap us in the Parise-Race. 6’0″ tall, 209 lbs and only 27.

    Get it Done.

  47. Well I don’t think anyone is as talented as Datsyuk overall just because of how hard it is to knock him off the puck and how quickly he gets it back. But Brown does everything very well. His puckhandling is extremely underrated. Look at the goal he setup of Jarret Stoll last year against the Coyotes.

    Then like I said defensively he blocks shots, hits guys (without taking himself out of position), and steals the puck well. I just think as a fit for Torts’ current system, he’d be great especially at a cheap price tag for what he gives in return. Also the trade price will be much less than it would be for Nash.

    Plus off the ice, he’s a great guy and does a lot in LA. High character guy that wouldn’t cause any issues in the locker room (not that Nash would either, but better than Carter/some other guys).

  48. You’d want to trade a guy that has 2 less points than Brown *plus* the organization’s 2nd best D prospect for just Brown?

  49. Doodie Machetto on

    Thank god for LA saying Brown is in play. I wouldn’t have been able to stand a whole day of just Nash talk again.

  50. Wicky©Proud owner of the world's most persistent cold on

    Morning ILB and all!!

    I’m off to work so LGR, LGD, and LGT (Lets Go Trades)!!!

  51. What is the proposed deal for Brown? I’m hearing the Leafs are trying to offer Schenn for Brown straight up, or possibly Schenn and Frattin. That’s according to LeBrun. I wouldn’t be surprised if we could just do Dubi and a pick for Brown. Or possibly a lower end prospect or Thomas.

    You know Glen will try to tell Lombardi he owes him for taking problem child Avery off his hands years ago.

  52. That’s why I’m thinking we’d offer a pick and prospect. Dubi/Thomas/2nd. Possibly Dubi/Erixon/2nd. I’d be fine with that.

  53. Dubinsky has no part in this. Anisimov might not. If they’re looking to shed a little salary too, this could be the perfect trade for us as it allows us to keep the core together and add a top 6 guy.

  54. Exactly, NYR. The Kings want Defense for Brown. They probably want a GOOD defender. I don’t know if even Strahlman gets it done. I would assume that the perception is that Torts is getting more out of Strahlzy than he is capable of. I think we might have to look to part with something serious like Erixon, Mcllrath. I would love to toss them Eminger or Strahlman or WoyWolski but I am not sure it’s going to be enough for them.

    But indeed. They want DEFENS so this whole Dubinsky thing is just not going to happen.

  55. dustin brown is ryan callahan ryan callahan is dustin brown. the same player do we need to overpay for brown. I like brown a lot but will be that player who we will lean on besides gabby to get that big goal come playoff time.

    get nash at your price.

    besides no doubt in my mind brian burke gets dustin brown. hes drooling over him

  56. The way I look at it, worst case scenario is that Brown is slightly better than Dubi for a cheaper cap hit. Putting Brown on a line with Richie and Cally takes a ton of pressure of Richie since you’ll have two wingers that love to throw hits, have offensive skill, and can score. All Richie has to do is find them. Plus with how Dusty holds onto the puck in the corners, he helps keep possession.

    Also for those who want to sign Parise in the offseason, it frees up that option without completely handicapping the team and makes us a much better offensive team. I just feel like if we get Brown, we can get Parise. If we get Nash, we don’t. So we’d be getting Browns 25 goals and Parise’s 40 instead of just Nash’s 40. Then I’d be more comfortable letting guys like Hagelin, Boyle, or Prust go because we wouldn’t be giving up as much defensively and adding a ton more offensively.

  57. Kings needs are D?

    Have you seen the league rankings for teams goals for?

    They may have even improved their D by shipping Jack Johnson out.

  58. since staal is is much better then jack johnson he would get a ton. they are not trading staal….

    erixon, and a first and thomas is more then fair for dustin brown… if this trade is done then we are stuck with emminger or stralman or both next year…especially is sauer does not recover…

  59. Brown is definitely better than Dubi. Brown is the player that Rangers fans wish Dubi could become.

  60. Kings don’t really need defense. They have Hickey and Voynov in the system to go along with Doughty, Greene, and Martinez. Plus they have high hopes for Deslaurier, Muzzin, and Forbort. That’s why they traded away JJ.

  61. Johnny D – all of that sounds good to me.

    Dreger: “Leafs will push CBJ to make decision on Nash. Would like to know by tomorrow. NYR will likely do the same. Brown is plan B.”

    Man, if Brown can be had for the right price, I would make him plan A.

  62. scuderi is still on the kings with the big d man from vancouver who can play defense…#33 good player.

  63. I’m sure they’d take another D prospect like Erixon just to add to their depth, but they need speed up top, which Dubi gives them, hence why I think they’d be interested. They might also want to look at AA, who I’d part with for Dubi. But they need more on the wings than up the middle since they have Kopitar, Carter, Loktionov, and Stoll and Dubi can fill that role.

  64. ok so now you people have decided on Anton Stralman as the piece of flotsam that’s going to land a top 6 forward. well done.

  65. Stuart – Hickey’s problem isn’t that he isn’t a good player, it’s that he’s been injured a bunch. Last year was the first full season he played in the AHL. They moved JJ in hopes that they can potentially bring him up either this season or next. Forbert I am not sold on what-so-ever, but for some reason the Kings are high on the kid. Deslauriers I’m not too impressed with either, but Muzzin and Voynov are supposed to be really good. Voynov really impressed me with what I saw from him this year with the big club.

  66. NYR_FAN:

    I’d love to do that but I can’t see any reason why LA would want to pick up a lesser player with a bigger contract. If they want a guy like Hagelin along with a pick, I’d do it.

  67. Morning all,

    Anyone on this board who would have a problem with another Callahan-type player doesn’t really understand what this team is about.

    Did the Bruins have a sniper on hand when they hoisted the Stanley Cup last year?

    What can Brown do for the Rangers?

    Plenty.

  68. I’d trade Hags/Erixon for Brown. I just figured they’d want Dubi since he adds speed up top and gives them a gritty player like Brown. Plus both are having down years and we see a lot of those “trade you my skilled, but having a rough year” player for each other. Saw it with Pouliot and Latendresse and that worked out for both teams.

  69. Not trying to get ahead of anything here, but a top 6 of:

    Parise – Stepan – Gaborik
    Brown – Richards – Callahan

    is better than:

    Nash – Richards – Callahan
    Anisimov – Stepan – Gaborik

    Not saying we’ll definitely sign Parise, but it’s a possibility if we take on Brown. If we don’t get him, we’re no worse than we were this year.

  70. From LeBrun: “Kings would like to get defenseman Luke Schenn and highly touted forward prospect Matt Frattin from the Leafs in a Brown deal. My sense is that Toronto would find that price too rich, but GM Brian Burke — who had Brown on Team USA in 2010 — really loves Brown.”

  71. I should say, not likely they’ll take on Dubi’s contract. Forgot that adding Carter’s cap hit to that list really put them close to the cap. Only way they’d do it is if we took on another salary, but the only guys they’d include are Fraser/Parse or other guys who make under a mil.

  72. sure Brown only has 7 more points than Dubinsky, but he’s got 10 PP points (Dubinsky has 1) and has 60 more blocked shots. in addition, his cap hit is quite low and a million less than Dubinsky; if you’re the Rangers and had any chance to make that kind of swap, you do it a second. I just don’t see why L.A. would ever do it.

  73. manny

    burke would do that deal no doubt in my mind. he doesnt want to move gardiner or aulie. if that deal was on table both teams do it i would think.

  74. That would still be a weird trade for the Kings. They need to start scoring to stay in the playoff race. Even if Brown’s been having a down year he’s still gonna score more than Schenn would provide.

  75. I am not saying it isn’t weird – I am just saying it’s what the rumor mill is quoting the price as.

  76. Good to see Shanny is continuing his streak of baffling decisions by not giving any supplemental discipline to Hartnell for his hit last night.

    Shanny started the year with my blessings…he’s ending it as a complete and total buffoon.

    “Let’s see…Hartnell….Flyers…The Great, Incomparable Ed Snider! Nope, nothing to see here”

    As for the sudden Dustin Brown sweepstakes, I’m all in for getting a Callahan clone. Can’t have enough of them considering the identity of the New York Rangers.

  77. i for one dont think you woule need to move dubi in a deal for brown. erixon/mcilrath miller number one

  78. by the way if the jets make playoffs and dont win div we could play them. it will be very difficult to win in winnipeg. they dont lose at home. that would worry me

  79. eric – I don’t see the Kings taking on Dubinsky and therefore I see a deal for Brown indicating that another deal is on the horizon in which we move Dubi.

  80. If Schenn/Frattin is a relatively accurate asking price, and deemed too high, Erixon/Thomas might be a pretty reasonable package.

  81. Trade Dubi for a D-man? I could see that. Bring in Brown for Erixon/pick or other prospect. Then trade Dubi to a team for a veteran d-man that can take Stralman’s spot.

  82. Maybe throw in WW expiring contract if the Kings want to eat it for this year too. Since he’ll be off the books and can chip in with some goals in that system.

  83. I don’t see why a Dubinsky deal would necessarily have to follow. You could really keep the top two lines the same, add Brown to provide offense without losing any defense on the Boyle-Dubinsky line and have three really, really good lines. Prust to the 4th / PK rotating up when situations arise. That would be strong as hell. Addition with no present year subtraction.

  84. Would love to be a fly on the wall when Dubi gets his locker right next to his good buddy Richards.

  85. I know, I’m just thinking we would want to clear the cap space for the summer and going forward since we’d want to find space for some guys like Kreider going forward, but I guess with Feds gone after this year we’d have room.

  86. The Dr. – My thinking was that Dubinsky’s cap hit would have to be removed so that we could go after Parise in the offseason.

  87. Schenn and Kadri for Nash?

    I’d start buying up commercial property in Quebec City or Hamilton, ONT that would they’d have to buy back from me to make room for a new arena.

  88. We have plenty of cap space, Jonny D. Especially if Brown is our addition versus someone like Nash or Parise.

  89. any line with Dubinsky and Boyle isn’t a really good line, sorry. unless you’re talking about PK.

    interesting thing about Rangers potentially landing Brown and Nash would be to see which of these humps gets Whaled.

  90. Wishful thinking again in this foum? All of you talking Dubi + whatever for Brown makes no sense for the Kings as stated several times above. Now if the Queens want a D like Erixon and a cheap small player like Hags + some draft picks…then maybe…?

  91. “any line with Dubinsky and Boyle isn’t a really good line, sorry. unless you’re talking about PK.”

    Or if you’re talking about the line that matches up against every other team’s top line on the best (second best, I forget where the Blues are) goal prevention team in the league. Not scoring very much does not equal not contributing.

  92. i would have started hank tonight dont like this move. isles always up for rangers and like to start fast and biron will need to be sharp early.

  93. and to reiterate, you don’t pay a forward $4.2 million per to pin the puck to the boards. that’s why you have guys like Prust and pay them virtually nothing.

  94. had to start Biron one of these two games and Buffalo is the better team. of course it means the Rangers will lose tonight but them’s the breaks.

  95. Even if Dubi stayed and we were giving up Hags/Erixon or something like that, I’d do it. And Hags is probably my favorite current Ranger.

  96. and to reiterate, you don’t pay a forward $4.2 million per to pin the puck to the boards.”

    Do we really have to keep doing this? Everyone knows (1) the first 60 games of offensive production isn’t anyone’s expectation of Dubinsky and (2) that he’s proven he can be a 50 point guy, its not like that’s bad and unrealistic-for-the-future forecasting. Do you really think he’s a better bet for 30 points in 2012-13 than he is for 50? Come on.

  97. Trade Biron… I said that a couple weeks ago,and was run off the board. Another loss tonight and its not such a bad idea..huh?

  98. All of these descriptions of Brown make him sound a lot like Dubinsky (not a bad thing at all). He’s having a little slump this year is all. I wish there was a like/disklike voter in the comments section. Some of these comments are so dumb it makes me not want to refresh the page.

  99. And beyond that, its not like Dubinsky is a one dimensional player. Even when he’s having a 10th percentile offensive season for him, he’s doing good 5-on-5 defensive work and a top 4 PK forward for us. Lets not act like he’s Richards minus 15 points floating around out there.

  100. I thought Dubinsky overachieved like crazy last season and have always considered him a 40-point forward. You can throw a dart and find a 40-point forward. Last season was an aberration.

  101. Trading Biron is never a bad idea if you can get something great for him. Now that we are nearly assured of a playoff spot and Hank has had ample rest it’s time to get ready to ride Hank through the playoffs and I would rather have Nash than Biron.

  102. I think Biron is mediocre at best but you’re basically conceding, around 6-7 games if you have Chad Johnson as the back-up.

  103. mister d —

    dubinsky hasn’t proven he’s a 50 point player, at all. dustin brown has proven it many years over. moreover, all those extras that dubi gives you, brown gives you, as well.

    and that’s why (plus his salary) that dubi’s not going to get you brown. it’s no contest.

  104. Carp:

    Judging by opinions of him here around 3 weeks ago? Patrick Roy in his prime and an number 1.

  105. u couldnt get a 3rd round pick for biron who is a ufa. come on lets be real. hes not goin anywhere and he will prob be resigned for what he does. would u rather have steve valiquette back

  106. I still don’t understand why LA would trade Brown.

    What would you guys think the Rangers would have to get back if they traded Callahan? Same for Brown, I’d think.

  107. Dubi did overachieve last season. He was playing for a paycheck. He is a 40 point forward. He does other things as well, but I don’t think he’s worth that salary. I also didn’t think Callahan was worth his salary either, but he’s proved me wrong these last two seasons.

    Brown is worth his salary. Torts’ style player that puts up 25-60 every year (at worst 25-50).

    And yeah, what would we get for Biron, especially after this loss? Only teams that would want him are Ottawa (due to Anderson’s cooking injury) and Toronto, but we’d get little in return with Lindback apparently being available.

  108. If Dubinsky is not scoring then he is no better than Fedotenko and thus 100% expendable.

    Fedotenko-Boyle-Prust is just as good of a checking line…

  109. The Kings don’t think of Brown as Cally anymore though. Maybe 2-3 years ago they did for sure. But since they brought in Richards, they don’t see Brown as effective as he used to be. Lombardi isn’t the smartest GM in the world either. When he let Cammalleri go, I had no idea why he made that move at all considering he would’ve played great with Kopitar and Brown. O’Sullivan was solid when he was there too, but apparently he flamed out once he got out of LA.

    This latest trade for Carter makes me question why he’s even the GM. And the fact that he’s ok with trading Brown makes me ask that question again.

  110. Honestly, Brown should be centering line 2.

    But yeah, I basically agree with Carp that I don’t see why L.A. would trade him and I certainly don’t see why they’d ship him out for Brandon Dubinsky.

  111. The Kings have no need for a backup goalie. Bernier is their guy and is going to be on that team for awhile until they can use him or Quick as trade bait to get top prospects or a 1st line player. Biron would have no purpose in any deal to LA.

  112. potentially ottawa goalie craig anderson could be gone from 6-8 weeks with hand injury making dinner at home the other night. have your wife cook.

    maybe they want biron since people now think we should trade him

  113. 1. you’re not getting anything for Biron
    2. you’re conceding one-third of your remaining games by trading him*

    * you may be conceding a third of your remaining games by playing him, too, but that’s another story

  114. dean lombardi and scott howson are on life support as for being gm

    lombardi will do anything he may think could help save his job. expectations high in LA they need to make playoffs

  115. I, too, am hoping for an end of this trade deadline. One of the reasons is because a lot of the posts have lost cohesiveness, it’s difficult to follow.

  116. Just listened to McKenzie on TSN radio. Was saying that LA will only trade Brown for the right price… basically a steal from the other team. LA wants a top 4 D and a top 6 forward. Roster players. This deal won’t happen for the RAngers.

  117. Not only LA, Manny, the whole Pacific Division ( maybe except Anaheim) is not assured to make the playoffs. That includes SJ, btw. That’s why I think they may overpay for Nash.

  118. Anybody else nervous with Biron in net tonight? Yeah, he get left hanging out to dry against the Hawks but he also looked pretty shaky.

    And considering how the Isles ALWAYS get pumped to play us while the Rangers seem to deliberately NOT get pumped…Ugh, I’m dreading the game tonight for some reason.

    Trade rumors, slumping offense, putrid PP…recipe for disaster.

    Let’s see how the boys respond.

  119. CJP:

    As I said before, you have to play Biron one of these two games and Buffalo is better than the Islanders.

  120. I’m trying optimism out today……….Biron is a pro, I think he’ll bounce back nicely and with a couple of days of rest the boys should be able to ward off the Fishsticks.

  121. Biron is 10-3-1 this season. Why are we starting to question him, all of a sudden? Because of his last start? He wasn’t at his best, but the team was awful defensively. Three goals on breakaways…And trading him now?

  122. Yeah that is weird Lloyd. Maybe I know JJ is pretty terrible defensively, but he still is a top 4 d-man just based on how he moves the puck and his ability to jump up on the offensive end. Maybe they were looking for more of a shut down D?

  123. One of the best backups in the entire league and an invaluable contributor to the record so far, ilb.

    People are making him out to be Ochocinco. Or, who was the bald kid Torts used down the stretch one year and even put into a game when he pulled Lundqvist?

  124. looks like the Capitals top prospect, 19 year old Evgeny Kuznetsov, tore ligaments in his knee and had to be carried off on a stretcher….the Caps wanted to bring him in for next training camp…this might affect their trade-deadline plans somewhat.

  125. everyone settle down biron will be here. go have a sandwich and a cocktail if you could sneak out office cause rick nash will be here tonight

  126. Jonny:

    Since his stats haven’t gone through the roof, L.A. seems to be pretty convinced that Johnson is now a total bust. and they also think they’ve got the same player but with better defense in Doughty. I dunno…kind of weird to give up on the guy like that, especially for Carter.

  127. Carp:

    Tortorella said on the radio yesterday that Biron’s been bad lately and hopes that getting shelled against Chicago (and is better play in the 2nd and 3rd periods) helped him get back on track.

  128. Tony – I don’t think people are panicking. I think that I, and others, said they would not be adverse to trading Biron for a right piece since he will not be used in the playoffs.

  129. Rangers aren’t in the playoffs yet and basically adding 7 losses to your record by dumping a somewhat reliable back-up doesn’t make any sense. And if you say, screw it, just play Lundqvist more, than you’re deviating from the bigger, more important plan of keeping your starter well-rested for the playoffs.

  130. Not saying that Dubinsky is a better player than Brown, Lloyd, but how does Brown have 60 more blocked shots when he’s only blocked 24 in total?

    Where is the mathematical genius CTB?

  131. Lloyd – Yeah, I’m just worryin’ for no reason. LOL. And if Torts did say that, I’d like to think the whole team will look at the last couple of games and realize their lofty position in the standings can easily disappear in today’s “points for winners AND losers” NHL.

    I’m hopin, hopin that they come out and outclass the Isles as they should. But that’s just never the case against them.

    Can’t wait for this trade deadline to pass. Players can say what they want but I don’t see how it’s possible to NOT let it get to you.

    If you’re Dubi, you know there’s a good chance in a few days you’ll be calling either Columbus or LA home. Are you thinking about how you overstocked on food? How long will those leftovers keep? What about the Jersey Shore episodes I’ve got on my DVR?

    Just sayin. LOL

  132. JJ started slow too. Last year he had a pretty solid year, but considering he’s been in the league for 5-6 years now, I think they would’ve expected him to be a 50 point guy.

    I think Biron will be fine tonight. I do think we finally lose 2 in a row though.

  133. How does …trade Biron =panic.???

    Your right carp, no one would want a possible 15game winner for a backup.

    He would pull the value of Erixon or Miller.
    Prust sayin

  134. Biron will get his share of starts in March, with 17 games to play. They have, most likely, already penciled him for specific dates. I highly doubt that trading him would return more than having an opportunity to stick with the schedule and have Hank fresh for the playoffs.

  135. This team is pathetic. Anyone who thinks we’ll win tonight is out of his mind.

    We’re bush-league to the core.

  136. ilb no one is saying TRADE BIRON – we are just saying that we are not adverse to the idea of including him in a package for Nash/Dusty in place of a big time Defender.

  137. I’d rather Stralman sit. Something about that guy’s game I find irritating. Might just be my general happiness with everyone else’s game.

  138. Sather managed to swing Biron and Dubinsky for Malkin and Crosby, though it’s contingent on Crosby passing a physical.

  139. jack johnson makes a ton of bad decisions. he is a big gambler out there. I live in LA and have scene him play on tv a bunch and in person at least 15 times, he is not that good of a player.

    doughty is a much much better player.

  140. Biron tonight? Sure hope that he’s modified that #five hole….aka the hockey cavern.

    Wonder if there’s a shooter in the league that doesn’t anticipate going in against that opening.

  141. was emminger on the ice on the MDZ trunover when Stralman was going in deep also?

    Stralman is soft… Torts likes Bickel for some reason.. Bickel could be a decent player but he takes to many stupid penalties….

    He needs to play a conservative game and he would be adequate.

  142. Given the opponent and their propensity for getting dirty when losing, wouldn’t it make sense to sit Fedo one more game and carry the 7 defensemen just in case Bickel has to risk a game misconduct?

  143. I’m pretty convinced Eminger could be a top 4 defenseman if he wasn’t the slowest skater in hockey.

    I guess Stralman gives you a little bit of offense but he’s not much of anything.

  144. LW,

    I think Dubinsky gets “credited” with negative block shots when he falls down for no reason.

  145. I think if Bickel risks the game misconduct, they’re fine with that. He’s not going to get many shifts in the second half of the game anyway. They usually use four or five D-men down the stretch most nights.

  146. The guy’s been taking too many minors.

    ***

    I thought we agreed to lay of the talk of Lawrence Taylor.

  147. I’d be fine if the Rangers didn’t make any moves.

    Also, as I said, why the hell would the Kings want Biron when they have two very solid goalies already?

  148. Good afternoon all! Congrats to the King, who is expecting a little prince or princess in July! See ya all later…

  149. DaveMaloneyMSG Congrats to the Lunqvists. Next generation on the way. Rumor. Flyers looking to aquire negotiating rights!!! #NYR

    LOL!

    Can’t believe Hank is having a baby. He just cut the rest of his career in half. We should explore other possibilities.

  150. I thought his career was over he got married. But, he’s playing his best hockey ever.

    Hopefully this baby doesn’t screw things up!!

  151. Yeah, seems like this Mrs. Lundqvist was a good wife. She doesn’t hassle him, she lets him do his thing. But she just screwed it all up!

    This is one time I’d like Hank to give up a softy, and he can’t do it! Now his wife is making him pay!

  152. NYP_Brooksie Kings seeking NHL-ready defenseman in deal for Brown, doesn’t appear to be match with Rangers

    … I don’t get it. Wouldn’t Erixon be up on like half the teams in the NHL?

  153. So do we think they took measures to have the baby in the offseason? Are the Lundqvist’s that dedicated to winning?

  154. Told you guys they wanted a Defenseman. We have like 4 I would be willing to part with in that scenario.

  155. Orr: Erixon, Thomas and a 1st seems like a reasonable offer. Not sure it helps LA enough this year, though.

  156. Orr: I’m pretty convinced atleast half of their motivation will be to help out the Rangers here. Take it or leave it (but please don’t leave it), LA!

  157. That assumes the whole “they don’t like him as captain” thing is false. Which it probably should be, but that’s not what I’m hanging my hopes on.

  158. Mister D February 24th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    I was hoping maybe you guys could call me Landfill. In honor of him.

    *********************

    BWahahahahahhaa. YES! I love how they just replace him with the same guy and he marries his wife and everything.

    Also – I love how the woman from that movie, “Precious; a film based on the novel Push by Sapphire” or whatever was in Beerfest getting kicked where the sun don’t shine and killing Landfill in a vat of beer. Stay classy San Francisco.

  159. staal has been terrible. yeah, he’ll get better. but this season shows that he could be expendable.

  160. You know what though? I doubt they would do it because Stahl isn’t playing a ton of minutes yet. They probably want more like……ugh….McBust or Del Zaster. Maybe we can offer them a deal where they get Erixon and if they hate him they ship him back and we give them WoyWolski and if they hate him they ship him back and we give them Bickel, etc.

  161. We should start a sell low proposal contest. See who can get the least in a hypothetical return.

  162. So do we ask Brown to play out of position if he were to come here? Not everyone makes a seamless transfer to the opposite wing right away.

  163. This is our last year to win a cup. After this Lundqvist won’t be focused on hockey anymore…

  164. Lundqvist having a baby can be a blessing in disguise!!! Might make Lundqvist stay with the team in like 5-7 years if the team is not as good as it is now. Having a baby will tie him up!!

  165. Good point, Lev. Let’s hope J. Dolan can help get Little Lundqvist into an elite school in the City!

  166. “Baby Girls = Monsters [not the good kind of monsters]”

    Its funny that mine just went down for a nap after about 90 minutes of crazy. So … not really disagreeing here.

  167. If Howson gets what he wants for Nash from Sather, Dolan may have to buy a school in Manhattan for Hanks’ kid in order for him to stick around in a few years.

  168. Starting to feel more and more as if Nash wont be dealt, and I have to say I’m a bit disappointed. Seems to me as if over the past week as each day went by more and more people were in support of this deal…

  169. Tiki XLII XLVI on

    ilb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Manny, babies are the best and cutest in the world. Its when they grow up that they turn out to be not so cute.

  170. Tiki XLII XLVI on

    ilb, I might be moving up to NY in the next 6 months to be closer to my honey, depending on a job Im trying to get!

  171. Hey, in 19 years, we have a 50-50 chance of another King in Rangers goal…how cool would that be.

  172. Carter and Richards have already been using Willie Mitchell’s medical papers to light their own farts in the locker room.

  173. Id rather Brown then Nash, keeps our salary cap reasonable. Too bad if he is off the board, he fits our style of play.

  174. Elliotte Friedman ? @FriedgeHNIC Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    Trade deadline craziness: Lombardi telling inquiring GMs that Dustin Brown is not available. Can’t wait until this is over.

  175. Woooo, way to be Lombardi. Wondering if Brown was on the block before they traded JJ and now he’s not.

  176. has Nash always been a RW or has he played LW as well? For some reason, I want to say Nash played LW earlier in his career…

  177. makes no sense for torts to start Biron tonight. He should rest hank for saturday so he’s fresh for the debbies on Monday…

  178. I didn’t understand why Dustin Brown was on the block to begin with. The Kings need offense in the worst way. Brown is their third leading scorer and their captain. The GM (Lombardi) has been saying the whole year they are a forward short of where they need to be, they acquire Jeff Carter for a defense man, which is their strength and then they turn around and trade their captain?? Makes no sense.

    I do subscribe to the theory that M.Richards will be their new captain and they are looking for a change. In that case they would be looking for a top 6 forward and a defense man.

  179. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Nash’s -21 = worst +/- for forwards on his team, along with his 8.73 shooting percentage – and this is a guy who gets most of the PP time on his club = just awful. 8.73 shooting percentage has to be in the neighborhood of a .250 hitter in baseball with moderate power, say a 25 homer, 85 RBI right fielder who should be 35+ homers and 110 RBI’s just to keep up with the league at his position. For this you give up some talented kids, a #1 pick, and take a monster cap hit? Better not be.

    Sather, bless his little heart, has to know these things and be laughing out the side of his panatella. (I hope.)

  180. Even as a staunch anti-Nash trade partier, I’d at least say that this year is a down year for him and you could expect better for the next couple of seasons. Still, you’d have to get Nash putting up at or near his career high in goals and points to justfiy his cap hit.

    But that also belies the point that if you’re getting career worst Nash, how does that make the Rangers substantially better?

  181. Tiki XLII XLVI on

    ilb, Brittany and the New York Giants Super Bowl win have changed my life over the past year!!

  182. CTB:

    You were here last week when the performance of players after age 28 was discussed, right. Based on the extremely low number of NHL players who’ve had 30/30 or 30/40 seasons at the age(s) Nash would be while on the Rangers, you’re basically hoping for unprecedented performance from the guy. In addition, of the guys who’ve done it, they’ve all been Hall of Famers or lock Hall of Famers (like Jagr). Nash isn’t a Hall of Famer by any stretch. And yeah, if the price were a lot better, sure, no problem, take him in a sec. But to pay a guy in upwards of $8 million/year who in all likelihood who’s not going to at least be as good as he was a few years ago? No thanks.

  183. Gaborik, in the years he hasn’t been hindered by injuries, is an 80-point player – granted, he’s been injured frequently. Rick Nash has played full seasons in all but one year he’s been in the NHL and has cracked 70 points once.

    But yeah, Gaborik’s had a nice bounce back season but his projected finish still shows his numbers as dipping.

  184. Lloyd,

    Yeah, I posted the link of the list that displayed 30G/70 pts guys. I’ve been hammering that point for a while. All I’m saying is that this year in particular is a down year for Nash and he probably does have another season or two as a 30G+ guy because he’s still generating a ton of shots but they aren’t going in as much as they normally do.

    So yes, he isn’t worth the cap hit during a typical year for him and a typical year for him will be harder to repeat each and every year he ages.

  185. Exactly, Gaborik’s 09-10 season is worth his cap hit. Last year definitely not, this year he underperforms it by a bit. But he’s still been far and away their most dangerous player on a night in/night out basis.

  186. there is a good chance Nash won’t get traded by the dead line. I don’t think he will and according to Aaron Portzline, beat writer for the Bluejackets said he spoke to people inside the organization and they told him as of right now it looks 60/40 that they won’t trade Nash and will try again in the summer.

  187. CTB:

    Sorry. Honestly, as I was typing that message I sort of had a feeling you were the guy who posted it but I wasn’t sure.

    And yes, I don’t think there’s an doubt who the Rangers best forward has been this season, even with Callahan playing extremely well. Gaborik’s a guy who I think could have been a top 5 superstar if he hadn’t been the victim of so many serious injuries throughout his career.

  188. Butt-Chin had a down year last year, and look at him now. The same will happen to Nash, and maybe even better, if he plays for a better team.

    ***

    I tend to believe the “better team effect” is bit overstated. He’s always been a shot generating machine, unless he ups his shooting by a substantial margin I don’t see him getting that much better.

  189. I’d argue that you expect different things from Gaborik and Cally. Gaborik you expect him to be that threat, generate scoring chances and keeping the opposing D honest. Cally you expect the hitting and energy and superb special teams play. Factor in that Cally has provided a healthy amount of offense, I’d say those guys have been of equal value this year, just in different ways.

  190. gaborik is 8 points better than nash this year, playing on the best team in the east. he’s older and has averaged around the same goals-per-year his career.

  191. wait, wait, wait. Are people seriously saying Gaborik is underperforming this season? I think that’s my cue to get off the blog till game-time.

  192. czechthemout!!!! on

    I also am now thinking that Nash won’t get traded , but not because they dont want to but because Howson is being unreasonable in his requests from what I have read. He will be in for quite a shock at the draft when he only gets offered a fraction of what is probably on the table today.

  193. Lloyd – I don’t know about that. Gaby does one thing well and that’s shoot the puck. In order to be a superstar, you have to be the whole package. He’d definitely be a star (and is a star) with the like of Hossa and guys like that, but he’s not on the level for Crosby, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, etc.

  194. Jonny:

    Gaborik is a far more limited player than he was before all the injuries. The dude was legitimately explosive and the public was cheated out of his best days because he played for a jerkwater franchise.

  195. He might be generating shots, but they’re not all scoring chances. Playing with better players will most likely give him better scoring chances, and more goals. Unlike in Columbus, he wont be “doing it all”. Life could be much easier, depending on where he plays. So he wont necessarily have to “up his shooting” to score more.

    Not saying he’s going to turn into OvechCANT and have a 65 goal season.

  196. Nash won’t get traded because they are going to wait until close to the draft to see how many top picks they can get and just stock load a few top 10 picks in order to start over. It wouldn’t make sense to get current players or prospects when they can just trade for a few guys and take a bunch of #1 picks, especially around draft day when teams know if they’ll be able to sign their RFA/UFAs. Some team will say “shoot, we don’t think we can sign this guy” so they’ll trade him for Nash along with a few 1st rounders.

  197. no one is saying gaborik is underperforming. but there are plenty of people here being completely ridiculous about rick nash. he’s a monster.

  198. For his cap hit, yeah a little, not by much. But 2 years ago he put up 86 points in 76 games. This year he’s on pace for just 70-71 points. I would prefer that extra 10 points, but he has been healthy this year so that in and of itself is a rarity.

  199. Lloyd – I agree with that to a certain extent, but he was never an elite passer. He never had great hands when it came to stickhandling and passing. Most of his skills came from using his extreme speed to blow past players and his great shot to snipe it passed the goalie. He also is extremely deceptive with his shot as well. But he wasn’t stickhandling through guys and setting up others for goals.

    Hossa is the same way. Not great hands when it comes to making passes, but around the net he’s money.

  200. is Nash a monster because 60 point players are monsters or is he a monster in the way Carp called Brian Boyle a monster after every game last season

  201. “Gaby does one thing well and that’s shoot the puck”

    His release is world class. Though, his best asset is his skating. And, Gaborik has the tools to score 60 in this League… …Tortorella is playing him slightly less than he did in 09-10…

    19:07 vs. 21:14

  202. czechthemout!!!! ,
    I’ve been posting that for days that he wouldn’t get traded. Howson has gone on to say his demands are non negotiable. Fine by me, can’t wait til dead line is over and I can get back to watching the rangers for the rest of the season and playoffs.

  203. he’s a monster in the way that a power forward who can skate and score 40 goals is a monster. in the way that we don’t have any one as good in our lineup.

  204. Orr, do you really think the Rangers style of play though is conducive to allowing a guy to go full steam ahead with just his offense? Maybe things click for him and he forms great @chemistry@ with whomever he plays with (the failed experiment with Carter should show that he shouldn’t be paired with another sniper, so exclude Gaborik as one of his potential linemates). But what are we expecting a 90 point season? I just don’t see it.

  205. fchamps – Marian Gaborik was a PPG player once he entered his prime. Rick Nash has been a 60-65 point player since he entered his prime. Gaby makes 7.5 while Nash makes 7.8 for less production.

    Is Gaby underperforming? I’d say yes, at least lately he has since he’s slowed down a bit. But he’s still on pace for about 39 goals, which is worth his cap hit considering he’d be in the top 10 in goal scoring.

  206. Gaborik is also one of the best passers on the team. His slap pass to DZ for the OT winner vs CBJ, you rarely see even Richards pull that off.

  207. I’m happy with Gaby’s production this year. I just want to see him raise his game in the playoffs…I know he has more in the tank….

    Same goes for a lot of Rangers…

  208. I don’t look at Butt-Chin as just a sniper. He’s a pretty solid playmaker, in my opinion, CT. I could see him netting between 30-40 goals. I think he’d be a good fit here. I’m not worried aboot the cap situation, or chemistry. As far as points, who knows…

    All I know is Rick Nash is not a @Red Herring@!

    I like him on this team, and I want him, depending on what Slats has to give up. Like I said, I don’t think he’s going to have an unbelievable couple of years, where he’s the top player in the NHL, but I do believe he can help, and will put the puck in the back of the net!

  209. I look at it that if CBJ is trading Nash they are blowing it all up. They’re gonna want to get as many sure things/high upside players as possible for him so they can at least leave their fans with any hope down the road. I don’t know if they’re gonna get that at the deadline if teams feel they’re still in the hunt.

  210. I can’t wait for the trade deadline to have come and gone.

    Huge game tonight. I agree with Torts that the team seems to have lost an edge mentally the past few games, which I think is only natural over the course of an 82 game season but definitely needs to get fixed now.

    I think being the one seed and getting to play the 8 seed in the first round will be a huge advantage as opposed to playing one of NJ, Philly, Pitt, Boston or Ottawa in the first round.

  211. CTB – his vision is good, yes. Because he’s a creative player. His actually passing/puck control isn’t great. There are many times he saucers one up and it’s not even close to the target. That’s why I say he’s a star player. Rick Nash is another star player, not a superstar. Yet he’s being paid superstar money. I actually thought we overpaid for Gaborik when we signed him (still do to a certain extent, but he’s more worth it).

  212. Gaborik got to the conference finals after trailing the quarters and semis three games to one (I think that year’s Wild team is the only team to ever do that in the same playoff season), NYR, and although I don’t know what his points were, I’m sure he had to have a pretty big impact that year when you take a look at the roster compiled around him. Then again, they had Jacques Lemaire. But I think Gabby can do it in the playoffs for sure.

  213. CTBlueshirt

    With Nash all we should care about is goals and not points. We want Nash to be top 5-10 in the NHL in SOG and put up 30+ goals, improve our PP and not be a defensive liability.

    Putting him on a line with a great passer like Richards and a puck winner like Callahan is a great top line which will increase the production of Nash and Richards especially since his assist total has taken a beating because his other wingers are not putting up many goals (remember Cally scores most of his goals on the PP or on rebounds/deflections/tap ins that dont require a great center) …

  214. Orr I was talking about what you’d expect from Nash. We know that Gaborik can produce 30-40 goals under Torts. One of my main concerns about Nash is that aside from Hitchcock he’s never really had demanding coaches. He’s kind of developed in an environment where the team was built to try to fit around Nash.

  215. Latona, I know. I remember how dynamic Gaborik was in those playoffs as a 21 yr old. I want to see him do it with a Ranger jersey….

  216. Well if we’re limiting Nash to just a goal scorer then I’m very concerned that he might not crack 30 goals this year.

  217. That year with the Wild was also the 1st or 2nd year out of the lockout, wasn’t it? Those were weird seasons when there were a ton of weird upsets in the playoffs because they called the games a bit tighter and the ice was much more open than it is now. Plus you had cones like Derien Hatcher still in the league. So not hating on Gaby there, but just saying that Wild team was helped by a couple of things (although they were very good defensively).

    Oleo – how do you know the production will increase? Stats have proven that outside of a few rare cases, putting guys like Richards and Nash on different teams with “better” linemates doesn’t actually increase production. Many thought Heatley going to San Jose would’ve seen him score 50 goals again with Joe Thornton (considered the top playmaking center in the league). His production actually decreased.

    People also thought Kovalchuk’s stats would decrease when Savard left, but instead they stayed about the same.

  218. Lloyd – Hull, Shanny, and Jagr are the only ones I can think of, and even they died down for a few years in between there.

  219. you’re right, nash might not break 30 goals. so why trade him for a guy who might not break 10 goals? nash gets no leeway for playing on the worst team in the league, but dubinsky has about a million excuses made for him.

  220. Because Dubinsky doesn’t cost 7.8 million for the next 7 years. Plus at least Dubi holds some trade value thanks to his contract not being too terrible. If Dubi has a good season, we can move it. No matter what, we can’t trade Nash’s contract until the last season since nobody will want that cap hit for anything good in return since they know we’ll be cash strapped.

  221. fchamps:

    you’re not getting Nash for Dubinsky, though. that’s just science-fiction propagated by homers on this board.

  222. CTBlueshirt

    who cares what his goal total is prior to joining to the Rangers???? What matters is what he does from his 1st game on…

    We want Nash to give us something like 9 G 10 A for the remaining games in the regular season and continue that production in the playoffs (which translates to 34 G 37 A over a full season)

  223. fchamps,

    I didn’t mention Dubinsky at all. This isn’t about who they’re trading for Nash, it’s about how Nash is a good but not great player. At times has been a very good player but isn’t as a good player as he normally is this season and there’s a lot of evidence suggesting he won’t be even normal good for that much longer.

  224. fair enough, i just assumed we were talking about dubinsky since that’s been the general topic. nash is not a sedin or malkin. but he’s more than a “good” player.

  225. Oleo – But how do you know he won’t give you 5G-5A? You act like it’s a guarantee that he’s giving you PPG numbers which he’s proven time and time again that he cannot do.

  226. Agreed. Nash is a very good player with a superstar contract and a price tag that asks for atleast 3 assets.

  227. Jonny D,

    That was actually two seasons before the lockout, when the Swamp Rats won their third cup.. Minnesota met the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim and Mike Babcock (surprise, surprise) in the finals.

  228. We want Nash to give us something like 9 G 10 A for the remaining games in the regular season and continue that production in the playoffs (which translates to 34 G 37 A over a full season)

    ***

    So you want Nash to suddenly become a point per game player when his career suggests that he isn’t? Particularly this season. You want him to increase his goals by 50% over the last 20 games of the season?

    All while moving to a new team, under a different playing system and then facing opposition he’s not really familiar with in the playoffs?

    It seems like you’re wishing for a lot of things to go right to make it even worth it for this season let alone for the next 6 seasons.

  229. Latona – That’s right. 2003, forgot. So yeah, those numbers look a little more legit, even though there was hooking and holding haha. Thanks for the reminder. I just remember them upsetting the Avs and everyone making a big deal about it.

  230. Nash seems to be overpaid by about $1.8 million. That right there is a raise that one of the young guys will need or a good depth player down the road. His numbers don’t justify the contract.

  231. I am simply asking Rick Nash to simply give us his average statistics from the past 4 seasons (not including this one). Given the fact that Brad Richards would be the best center he’s ever played with, I don’t see why that shouldn’t be expected.

    Nash should not be expected to put up 40 goals ever again. It might happen once but that is not why he is brought here. He is brought here because the Rangers have a core that will make the playoffs without him but need him in order to advance past the 2nd round on a consistent basis…

  232. If Rick Nash averages 35 goals and 30 assists each season (for the next 3-5 years) then he is certainly worth the contract + the prospects

    35 goals and 30 assists is extremely rare in the NHL and is equivalent to 50 goals a decade ago…

  233. But Nash is averaging the same amount of shots this year as he always does. Why does playing with Richards change the fact that he’s not scoring? And with how crappy Richards has been for most of the season, why does that mean that all of a sudden he’ll step up and become this playmaker for Nash that apparently Nash needs to be successful.

    That’s just so many if’s and question marks to hope to happen. The likelihood of that is really slim.

  234. Brad Richards 2011-12: 0.69 pts/game (.91 pts/game career average) = Drury 2.0

    Rick Nash 2011-12: .70 pts/game (.81 pts/game career average) = Worth every penny

  235. So we’re going to pay a top 5 contract for a guy who doesn’t even crack the top 25 in points and has been in the top 10 in scoring only twice?

  236. CTBlueshirt

    The reason Richards has a low point total is not because he is Chris Drury 2.0 but because he has played with Ryan Callahan and Carl Hagelin/Brandon Dubinsky and because of that he has noone who can score off a 1 timer.

  237. Let’s just trade Del Zaster for Roman Hamrlik, straight up, and put him on the RW and be done with it!

  238. Oleo – Richards played with Steve Ott, Louis Eriksson, and Brendan Morrow in Dallas. That didn’t stop him from putting up 90+ points.

  239. The reason Richards has a low point total is not because he is Chris Drury 2.0 but because he has played with Ryan Callahan and Carl Hagelin/Brandon Dubinsky and because of that he has noone who can score off a 1 timer.

    ***

    Well Callahan being on pace for a typical Loui Eriksson year kind of eliminates that excuse. And it’s really the unproductive PP (where he typically gets 35-40% of his total points) that’s hurt him.

  240. Is that a hybrid of an extremely overexposed NY basketball player and prospective #1 overall NFL draft pick Manny?

    Jerdrew Lick?

  241. That’s him, CT! You are the only one around here who understands me. All these other pee-brained peons just don’t get it. Serfs! The whole lot of you!

  242. I was referring to being overexposed for his play on the court. Not for what happens when you “get in the truck”.

  243. can’t wait until the trading deadline is over.

    a lot of noise but not much activity.

    rangers will wind up with a rental…

  244. Off topic…ha, strange I know here, but….the Seinfeld episode had it right. Not all babies are breathtaking…but Little Miss CT is to die for!!!!

  245. better beans than these on

    40 goals is a classic Fan College of Sarasota pipedream.
    You add buzz like “monster” and “sniper” and “he can
    carry, create and finish” (yeah, except he now finishes,
    after THREE SEASONS OF CONTINUING DECLINE, at
    60% of the efficiency he finished with in 2008-9), from
    15.2 of his shots in that impressive campaign, to 13 the
    next year, to 10.5 last, to a rollicking (fifth or sixth on
    a very bad team) 8.7 just now.

    What a monster!!!

  246. better beans than these on

    Sorry. Time flies when you’re havin’ fun.

    The 4:42 refers to Monster Rick….

  247. do you not think that Nash helps Cally’s numbers, and Richards numbers if he plays with them? Nash may produce what he normally produces, but it is the effect he may have on other players that is going to be the big help. not only the line he may play on, but he also helps Gabby’s line. which line do you put your shut down D pair against? it is not as simple as Nash may only get 9 goals and 10 assists.

  248. Like I said earlier, Aaron Portzline, beat writer for the bluejackets said he spoke to people inside the organization today and he was told it was 60/40 that Nash WILL NOT be traded at the dead line and that they will try trading him in the summer. Forget Nash, he isn’t coming. Sather is doing the right thing, besides Nash’s contract Howson’s demands were ludicrous.

  249. “but it is the effect he may have on other players that is going to be the big help.”

    How’d that work out in Columbus?

  250. Uh, I think every player a shortened version of their name. Makes it easier to call out on the ice. Gabby, Cally, Steps, Richie, G, Staalsy, etc. Caber was just his nickname.

  251. Its a good thing the Jackets’ organization is required to be completely honest with their beat writers and would never float something to potentially increase their bargaining power.

  252. CTB:

    makes sense if you were, you know, on the team with the guy rather than talking about him on a message board

  253. Staalsy is a longer version. Although he’s right, its a rule that you refer to hockey players by their name with either an -ie/y at the end or an -er. Got it, Brauner?

  254. So you’ve never heard players referred to by the nicknames by the fans?

    I’m not even a Yankees fan but I know who people are talking about when they say Jets, ARod, Mo

  255. bull dog,

    No offense to you. I like Nash. And, he is a very talented player. But, there is no evidence to suggest that he actually makes players around him better. He’s been in the League close to 10 years…

  256. CTB:

    I’m familiar with nicknames; I played hockey for quite a while.

    Fans do a lot of things, like saying, “we lost” when their favorite team loses. I try not to be like those people.

  257. czechthemout!!!! on

    I have a question for all the anti Nash people here. How many goals and assists do you all think he would have scored per season if he played for a team like the Wild with players like Brett Burns,P.M. Bouchard,Marty Havlid,just to name a few. Or if he played with the Bolts and Vinny L, St.Louis,Brad Richards,,Dan Boyle. Or if he played Louis Ericsson,James Neal,Jamie BENN,Bradon Morrow,Mike Robiero,Sergei Zubov.

  258. different talent levels, NYR.
    when you have nothing around you to make better, you end up on your own. put him with Cally, and Richards, instead of Vermette and whoever, and see the the difference.

  259. better beans than these on

    Bulldog: That, imo, is a better approach to Nash than “sniper”
    or “star.”

    Evidence from Columbus hard to draw on, though, unless you’ve
    seen his work night in, night out. Stats suggest not much.

    As for his declining “finish” numbers, if he came to the Rangers
    tonight, he would rank 11th in shooting %.

    Eleventh…..star….monster….sniper…..cost: $8 million, and
    young talent.

  260. Yeah, well I understand that Lloyd but fans calling players by nicknames has been around pretty much forever.

  261. Lloyd Braun, with all due respect, everyone here refers to you as “Lloyd Braun”. Sooo … its kind of a weird world.

  262. CTB:

    Fair enough. In the case of “Caber,” I genuinely didn’t know who the nickname was referring to.

  263. Czech: How many goals did we think Gaborik would have if he played with Richards all these years? Hypotheticals don’t fix the salary cap if they don’t pan out.

  264. according to brooks the Rangers discussing whether to place Avery on re-entry waivers tomorrow. I guess the rangers can’t get anything for Avery.

  265. Mister D,
    Cally is playing with Richards, and guess what, he has a career high in goals. I think Richards may have helped that.

  266. Hardly an exact science, bull dog. I see your point though. In theory, I agree.

    I also used to think that Jagr and Gomez would be the scoring tandem of the decade….

  267. I do not know much about the cap, but I do know it makes no sense to try and put Avery through re entry waivers before the deadline. if he is claimed the Rangers are responsible for part of the cap hit. if he stays in the AHL his cap number does not effect the Rangers cap.

  268. Arghhhhh!!!As a creature of habit, I still read this blog, but only every 1/100th posts; oversaturated by guesses, it makes me dizzy and vomit prone. What we all need is deep collective, lethargic sleep till 3:00 PM Monday.(with 2 hours windows for today’s and Saturday games,without a sound).

  269. bull dog:

    I think it would be a favor to Avery so he could actually play rather than rot in Hartford. The cap hit would be: $209,460. I think the Rangers can handle that without having to go into liquidation.

  270. better beans than these on

    Even his ardent fans don’t suggest he’s gonna help with
    goals against. Subtract a handful from his now-level of
    30 goals, on a ton of shots (so other Rangers will have their
    time on ice and opportunities diminish at the margins as well,
    a fair observer might conclude) and you’re talking the rough
    net gain of a Dustin Brown – who was available for a few seconds
    at half the cap hit:-).

    In a cap system, over time, bang for buck is all. I agree with
    some that Gabby has been slightly under-performing his money;
    Brad moreso; Dubi big-time (in spite of my appreciation for guys
    who do all the other things well).
    Henrik, finally, seems to be outperforming his, possibly even by
    a large margin. Dan G, too. Some of the kids. Cally by a fair
    amount.
    But add the huge almost-8 Millions for Rick, and his modest
    results the last two seasons, and you’re really swamping that
    bang-for-buck guiding principle.

  271. Lloyd ..
    Do you think the $400 a family spends watching thier favorite team, and helping them make the huge salaries . Might give them the right to say “we lost”. I do..

  272. Blogmama:

    I’d still take him over the half forwards on this roster. Sadly, Rangers management doesn’t share my opinion.

  273. better beans than these on

    “I think Richards may have helped that.”

    And y,might be right. But Cally being who he is,
    and just coming into his NHL prime, might be just as
    good a reason.
    He might be helping BR:-).

  274. Callahan was on pace to put up the same numbers last year without Brad Richards. So I don’t think Richards had much to do with it.

  275. CT Blueshirt

    Callahan and Loui Eriksson are completely different players. Callahan scores the majority of his goals on tip ins, deflections, rebounds and the occasional 2-1/3-2. Callahan very rarely scores goals on one timers or on a play where he carries the puck for more than 2 seconds. Eriksson is a much better offensive player although he needs a center to make it work.

    Callahan and Richards play completely different styles of game and Cally doesn’t need Richards to score his 20-25 goals. Give him Mitchell or Anisimov and his goal total will be the same. Richards’ assist total has been severely effected by the grinding style of his linemates and the fact that the Rangers don’t have a shoot first defenseman for the PP…

  276. better beans than these on

    Czech: that’s an angels-dancing-on-the-head of pins question.

    I’m more interested in the here/now, especially for the huge cap
    gamble.

    Here/now, CONSISTENTLY declining score percentage, suggests
    he’s in the 30-goal range, at best.

    Not with MY money. Not even with yours:-).

  277. czechthemout!!!! on

    Mister D

    Richards is just one player. I also asked about the other great players on that team.
    My point was that this blog was all excited to bring in a guy 31 years of age, coming off of a concussion with a contract that would pay him a rediculous sums of money and keep him here until age 41.

    But here you have a guy who is a great player in his prime, 4 years younger and has a contract that is a third less in duration and that is a problem. It’s just stupid. That’s all.

  278. so Cally’s career goal scoring season he is having, is purely a coincidence that he happens to be playing with Richards. I don’t buy it.

  279. And it’s not the same thing anyway. A B+ for only money trumps an A- for money and a haul in talent every day of the week.

  280. bull dog line

    Callahan only played in 60 games last season. He had more points per game last season than he does this season so no Richards hasn’t increased his stats at all. He’s pretty much exactly the same as last season just a few less assists…

  281. czech,
    I am all for getting Nash, but I do not think it is stupid that fans do not want to get him. this is pretty much a homegrown, young team. fans are more attached to these kind of teams, so it is hard to see some of the homegrown guys go. me, I have been a Ranger fan since the GAG line, so I am not as attached to the homegrown thing. I just want to win. to me getting Nash brings the Rangers closer to winning.

  282. Its really not just the homegrown aspect, it’s the cost. No cap and it would just be the homegrown aspect. Which, admittedly, is in play for me. Emotional and logical halves agree for once.

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