Rangers Report

Big one tonight boys!

Good morning Rangers fans! What the heck is this white stuff outside?

Yay! A game day!

Good morning everyone. Did someone mention snow? I forget what that stuff looks like! ( :

Mad Nash To The Trade Deadline!

Is Bobby Ryan a Ranger yet?

BANJ, don’t nash your teeth on those nash browns.

finally an easy team!!!

Sounds like Lundqvist slipped one past the goalie himself!

Hank is having a baby? I thought only Manion Rheaume could do that among former and active NHL goalies.

The Monster Nash,

it was allot of cash,

The Monster Nash,

he likes to smash

Going to Caps game tonight, so i’ll give you my 3 stars early for the Rags.
1. Gabby
2.MDZ
3.AA
Is Ovie still out or just getting traded?

Ovie is probably just prematurely suspended for the next leaping hit to someone’s head he is planning.

That’d be something if this Nash thing were a smokescreen to hide the fact that we’re trying to get Ovechkin. We all know how Sather feels about smoke :)

I know Brown is the LA captain, but why do all of the McKenzie/Dreger tweets keeps saying his price will be high? He seems to be having an off year and he is a 55-60 point player. He is not a goal scoring monster that demands a high price. Right now, he is Dubi without as big of a slump.

Manny: remember what Ted Leonsis did the last time he had a dominant scorer signed to a mega contracted that he felt became a distraction on a team that didn’t have playoff success? Prust sayin’!

Johnny: not only that but now they wanna trade their captain? Do Mike and Jeff have clauses in their contracts that say that the first one of them to down a bottle of Captain is anointed team Captain?

Good point, DJK. That could be an amazing turn of events.

Nash would be better with Richards IMO.

What am I missing? Do the Blue Coats want to be the worst team in NHL history? Are they broke? Now that Carter is gone, why would they want to rid themselves of Nash? How can they sell any tickets? Is Nash a cancer in their locker room? There is something going on here that makes no sense to me. It sure looks to me that the the Coats will hold on to Nash unless someone (please don’t do it Slats) gives away the house.

Agree 100% Dan. Not worth selling the farm.

I’ve been saying it for days now, Nash won’t get traded, price is to high, none of the teams will give Howson what he wants which isn’t surprising because the asking price is way to high. Howson said the other day it’s non negotiable which means he won’t come down.

also, rangers being rumored in on brown probably is a sign that the rangers have moved on from trying to trade for Nash.

The Rangers could use any and all help on the PP. If Erixon can be a piece to solving that seemingly eternal puzzle, he has great value. Brown is a 55-60 point, 27 goal player. Rangers could definitely use that… and should already have that if Dubi lived up to last year. However, the rumblings I am reading make it sound like a seller’s market. I would love to have Brown, but not at a super high price.

Why is Erixon the one getting shipped out? I think the Rangers are going to need him next season. Unless we like watching Eminger and Stralman that much.

Aghhhh….. THAT’S what “Non Negotiable” means….

All for Brown or Ryan… Little bit colder with regard to Nash… Terrified Darth Sather will pull another Brashear but cautiously optimistic he’ll instead opt for a Prust!

Looking forward to this one tonight, LGR.

Brown is consitently among tops in the league in drawing penalties from the opposition. Then again that means we’ll see an uptick in the Rangers PP opportunities.

CTB: Can’t you almost look at Erixon as a luxury at this point? Right now they have a top 4 (even if the pairings don’t always reflect that) of Girardi, McDonagh, MDZ and Staal, plus Sauer hopefully back sometime soon. Erixon might be best used as bait for a top 6 forward rather than as a 3rd pair defenseman for the foreseeable future.

I like D. Brown’s contract status. What’s the price?

Big thumbs up for fellow-Ithacan Dustin Brown. Not sure if anyone brought this up, but he played with Cally in the OHL (Guelph I think?). Also he hits everything in sight. Also his babies are ADORABLE.

Okay, back to hiding for another 78 hours.

“Brown is consitently among tops in the league in drawing penalties from the opposition. Then again that means we’ll see an uptick in the Rangers PP opportunities.”

If anything, that’s an argument against trading for him.

Trade for Dustin Brown’s cute babies!

BROWN IS COMING!

Dubinsky for Ovechkin straight up. Erixon for D. Brown to replace Dubi straight up. Artie Partie, Hobbit Wizard, 1st rounder, Mitchell and OchoCinco for Nash.

Mister D,

I think Torts shortening the D is a product of him not having much faith in guys like Stralman and Eminger.

Yeah it’s a give to get market, but I just don’t see them flipping Erixon so quickly after they the got him.

Trading Staal only makes sense if you’re getting a top player. And any of those top players would take more than just Staal.

“Yeah it’s a give to get market, but I just don’t see them flipping Erixon so quickly after they the got him.”

What if last year Dustin Brown were available for 2 2nd round picks? If you can keep trading up, why not?

are we seriously thinking that the Chicken is on the Block ???

If Dustin Brown is available, I would LOVE to have him on this team. He does it all. Scores, plays incredible defense, fights, sticks up for teammates, great leader. He fits right into this team and how they play.

He’s quite possibly the best all-around player in the league. He doesn’t necessarily do anything extremely well, but he is really good at everything. I think under Torts he would flourish.

Right, CT. Tier 3

Brown at his price tag too is kind of a steal. 3.175 mil for a guy that is a 25-60 player. Gives plenty of room to sign Parise if Glen wanted to (not saying he should), but it gives room to add another piece. He’d help Richards as well since he can hold the puck and has skilled moves with it.

I did this one before but it’s funnier now…I think

Nash Brown-ie :)

See what I did there? AHA!

CTB – I’m just saying for the fact that he also hits a lot and fights as well and is extremely good defensively, he’s up there with those two guys. Those guys might be a little better offensively, but they don’t fight/hit like Brown does either.

I watch the Kings every game so I love watching him play. Maybe I’m a little biased, but watching him play and be able to do everything, similar to David Backes, it’s very fun to watch. Plus he isn’t just a physical guy who scores garbage goals, he also has great hands and has creativity with the puck. He loves pulling the puck behind his back to beat d-men and then force his way to the net using his strength. He’s like a Callahan except with much better hands.

LOL NYR_FAN! Those were some major bush-league rhymes, yo! Son kid bro!

Jonny, he probably does more things than either Datsyuk or Lidstrom (since neither of those two fight) but it’s going to be hard to convince me that Brown comes close to the top end talent of either of those guys. He’s a valuable player, but he’s nowhere in the same class as those guys.

Dustin Brown is a beast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNruhwoxdkU&feature=related

Nice audio cameo from Avery.

why do people keep throwing mza into trades. isn’t he an unrestricted free agent next year? he’s not even a point a game guy in the minors and he’s 5-1. he has little value.

Well I don’t think anyone is as talented as Datsyuk overall just because of how hard it is to knock him off the puck and how quickly he gets it back. But Brown does everything very well. His puckhandling is extremely underrated. Look at the goal he setup of Jarret Stoll last year against the Coyotes.

Then like I said defensively he blocks shots, hits guys (without taking himself out of position), and steals the puck well. I just think as a fit for Torts’ current system, he’d be great especially at a cheap price tag for what he gives in return. Also the trade price will be much less than it would be for Nash.

Plus off the ice, he’s a great guy and does a lot in LA. High character guy that wouldn’t cause any issues in the locker room (not that Nash would either, but better than Carter/some other guys).

Thank god for LA saying Brown is in play. I wouldn’t have been able to stand a whole day of just Nash talk again.

Doodie: Amen. Anything we can disagree about on Brown so I can kill the next 4 hours?

Do you think that there is a wee bit of pressure on AA and Dubi tonight?

I don’t think the Kings want Dubi for Brown. Dubi’s deal is longer and the cap hit is higher.

Kings needs are D.

Stralman and McIlrath for Brown?

Or….Eminger and MZA for Brown?

Exactly, NYR. The Kings want Defense for Brown. They probably want a GOOD defender. I don’t know if even Strahlman gets it done. I would assume that the perception is that Torts is getting more out of Strahlzy than he is capable of. I think we might have to look to part with something serious like Erixon, Mcllrath. I would love to toss them Eminger or Strahlman or WoyWolski but I am not sure it’s going to be enough for them.

But indeed. They want DEFENS so this whole Dubinsky thing is just not going to happen.

The way I look at it, worst case scenario is that Brown is slightly better than Dubi for a cheaper cap hit. Putting Brown on a line with Richie and Cally takes a ton of pressure of Richie since you’ll have two wingers that love to throw hits, have offensive skill, and can score. All Richie has to do is find them. Plus with how Dusty holds onto the puck in the corners, he helps keep possession.

Also for those who want to sign Parise in the offseason, it frees up that option without completely handicapping the team and makes us a much better offensive team. I just feel like if we get Brown, we can get Parise. If we get Nash, we don’t. So we’d be getting Browns 25 goals and Parise’s 40 instead of just Nash’s 40. Then I’d be more comfortable letting guys like Hagelin, Boyle, or Prust go because we wouldn’t be giving up as much defensively and adding a ton more offensively.

since staal is is much better then jack johnson he would get a ton. they are not trading staal….

erixon, and a first and thomas is more then fair for dustin brown… if this trade is done then we are stuck with emminger or stralman or both next year…especially is sauer does not recover…

Kings don’t really need defense. They have Hickey and Voynov in the system to go along with Doughty, Greene, and Martinez. Plus they have high hopes for Deslaurier, Muzzin, and Forbort. That’s why they traded away JJ.

Johnny D – all of that sounds good to me.

Dreger: “Leafs will push CBJ to make decision on Nash. Would like to know by tomorrow. NYR will likely do the same. Brown is plan B.”

Man, if Brown can be had for the right price, I would make him plan A.

What happened to Scuderi? He still around?

scuderi is still on the kings with the big d man from vancouver who can play defense…#33 good player.

ok so now you people have decided on Anton Stralman as the piece of flotsam that’s going to land a top 6 forward. well done.

So, what does it take, Lloyd? Dublowsky and 1st?

NYR_FAN:

I’d love to do that but I can’t see any reason why LA would want to pick up a lesser player with a bigger contract. If they want a guy like Hagelin along with a pick, I’d do it.

CT – I said their needs are D because they apparently are asking for DEFENSE in return for Dusty.

I’d trade Hags/Erixon for Brown. I just figured they’d want Dubi since he adds speed up top and gives them a gritty player like Brown. Plus both are having down years and we see a lot of those “trade you my skilled, but having a rough year” player for each other. Saw it with Pouliot and Latendresse and that worked out for both teams.

Not trying to get ahead of anything here, but a top 6 of:

Parise – Stepan – Gaborik
Brown – Richards – Callahan

is better than:

Nash – Richards – Callahan
Anisimov – Stepan – Gaborik

Not saying we’ll definitely sign Parise, but it’s a possibility if we take on Brown. If we don’t get him, we’re no worse than we were this year.

I should say, not likely they’ll take on Dubi’s contract. Forgot that adding Carter’s cap hit to that list really put them close to the cap. Only way they’d do it is if we took on another salary, but the only guys they’d include are Fraser/Parse or other guys who make under a mil.

manny

burke would do that deal no doubt in my mind. he doesnt want to move gardiner or aulie. if that deal was on table both teams do it i would think.

I am not saying it isn’t weird – I am just saying it’s what the rumor mill is quoting the price as.

i for one dont think you woule need to move dubi in a deal for brown. erixon/mcilrath miller number one

I would recommend giving them Artie-Partie for Brown. Anybody object to that?

by the way if the jets make playoffs and dont win div we could play them. it will be very difficult to win in winnipeg. they dont lose at home. that would worry me

eric – I don’t see the Kings taking on Dubinsky and therefore I see a deal for Brown indicating that another deal is on the horizon in which we move Dubi.

Trade Dubi for a D-man? I could see that. Bring in Brown for Erixon/pick or other prospect. Then trade Dubi to a team for a veteran d-man that can take Stralman’s spot.

Schenn and Kadri for Brown?

or

Schenn and Kadri for Nash?

“Schenn and Kadri for Nash?”

This would be ideal. I’d poop.

I know, I’m just thinking we would want to clear the cap space for the summer and going forward since we’d want to find space for some guys like Kreider going forward, but I guess with Feds gone after this year we’d have room.

Schenn and Kadri for Nash?

I’d start buying up commercial property in Quebec City or Hamilton, ONT that would they’d have to buy back from me to make room for a new arena.

Wishful thinking again in this foum? All of you talking Dubi + whatever for Brown makes no sense for the Kings as stated several times above. Now if the Queens want a D like Erixon and a cheap small player like Hags + some draft picks…then maybe…?

Oh, to add Parise, yes. Someone would have to go.

DuBeliveau:

I’d probably do that one, too.

Yea Lloyd – what The Dr. said.

and to reiterate, you don’t pay a forward $4.2 million per to pin the puck to the boards. that’s why you have guys like Prust and pay them virtually nothing.

Even if Dubi stayed and we were giving up Hags/Erixon or something like that, I’d do it. And Hags is probably my favorite current Ranger.

feds in bickel on d eminger scratched

Trade Biron… I said that a couple weeks ago,and was run off the board. Another loss tonight and its not such a bad idea..huh?

And beyond that, its not like Dubinsky is a one dimensional player. Even when he’s having a 10th percentile offensive season for him, he’s doing good 5-on-5 defensive work and a top 4 PK forward for us. Lets not act like he’s Richards minus 15 points floating around out there.

Trading Biron is never a bad idea if you can get something great for him. Now that we are nearly assured of a playoff spot and Hank has had ample rest it’s time to get ready to ride Hank through the playoffs and I would rather have Nash than Biron.

Eminger must be about to be traded – thus the scratch! Hands to the chest! CABER!

Just upgraded D for the game tonight.

mister d—
dubinsky hasn’t proven he’s a 50 point player, at all. dustin brown has proven it many years over. moreover, all those extras that dubi gives you, brown gives you, as well.

and that’s why (plus his salary) that dubi’s not going to get you brown. it’s no contest.

u couldnt get a 3rd round pick for biron who is a ufa. come on lets be real. hes not goin anywhere and he will prob be resigned for what he does. would u rather have steve valiquette back

Dubi did overachieve last season. He was playing for a paycheck. He is a 40 point forward. He does other things as well, but I don’t think he’s worth that salary. I also didn’t think Callahan was worth his salary either, but he’s proved me wrong these last two seasons.

Brown is worth his salary. Torts’ style player that puts up 25-60 every year (at worst 25-50).

And yeah, what would we get for Biron, especially after this loss? Only teams that would want him are Ottawa (due to Anderson’s cooking injury) and Toronto, but we’d get little in return with Lindback apparently being available.

Just curious where does everyone see Brown playing if he were to come here?

The Kings don’t think of Brown as Cally anymore though. Maybe 2-3 years ago they did for sure. But since they brought in Richards, they don’t see Brown as effective as he used to be. Lombardi isn’t the smartest GM in the world either. When he let Cammalleri go, I had no idea why he made that move at all considering he would’ve played great with Kopitar and Brown. O’Sullivan was solid when he was there too, but apparently he flamed out once he got out of LA.

This latest trade for Carter makes me question why he’s even the GM. And the fact that he’s ok with trading Brown makes me ask that question again.

The Kings have no need for a backup goalie. Bernier is their guy and is going to be on that team for awhile until they can use him or Quick as trade bait to get top prospects or a 1st line player. Biron would have no purpose in any deal to LA.

Dustin Brown centering? That isn’t his position, Lloyd…He is a R shooting R wing.

ilb: yeah that was a joke

I, too, am hoping for an end of this trade deadline. One of the reasons is because a lot of the posts have lost cohesiveness, it’s difficult to follow.

Just listened to McKenzie on TSN radio. Was saying that LA will only trade Brown for the right price… basically a steal from the other team. LA wants a top 4 D and a top 6 forward. Roster players. This deal won’t happen for the RAngers.

Not only LA, Manny, the whole Pacific Division ( maybe except Anaheim) is not assured to make the playoffs. That includes SJ, btw. That’s why I think they may overpay for Nash.

Anybody else nervous with Biron in net tonight? Yeah, he get left hanging out to dry against the Hawks but he also looked pretty shaky.

And considering how the Isles ALWAYS get pumped to play us while the Rangers seem to deliberately NOT get pumped…Ugh, I’m dreading the game tonight for some reason.

Trade rumors, slumping offense, putrid PP…recipe for disaster.

Let’s see how the boys respond.

CJP:

As I said before, you have to play Biron one of these two games and Buffalo is better than the Islanders.

E No – Are you the guy that dropped Cally to the 3rd line to play with Boyle and Prust?

Biron is 10-3-1 this season. Why are we starting to question him, all of a sudden? Because of his last start? He wasn’t at his best, but the team was awful defensively. Three goals on breakaways…And trading him now?

Fchamps: Who said Dubi would return Brown?

everyone settle down biron will be here. go have a sandwich and a cocktail if you could sneak out office cause rick nash will be here tonight

Carp:

Tortorella said on the radio yesterday that Biron’s been bad lately and hopes that getting shelled against Chicago (and is better play in the 2nd and 3rd periods) helped him get back on track.

MANNY !!!!!

Rangers aren’t in the playoffs yet and basically adding 7 losses to your record by dumping a somewhat reliable back-up doesn’t make any sense. And if you say, screw it, just play Lundqvist more, than you’re deviating from the bigger, more important plan of keeping your starter well-rested for the playoffs.

Lloyd – Yeah, I’m just worryin’ for no reason. LOL. And if Torts did say that, I’d like to think the whole team will look at the last couple of games and realize their lofty position in the standings can easily disappear in today’s “points for winners AND losers” NHL.

I’m hopin, hopin that they come out and outclass the Isles as they should. But that’s just never the case against them.

Can’t wait for this trade deadline to pass. Players can say what they want but I don’t see how it’s possible to NOT let it get to you.

If you’re Dubi, you know there’s a good chance in a few days you’ll be calling either Columbus or LA home. Are you thinking about how you overstocked on food? How long will those leftovers keep? What about the Jersey Shore episodes I’ve got on my DVR?

Just sayin. LOL

JJ started slow too. Last year he had a pretty solid year, but considering he’s been in the league for 5-6 years now, I think they would’ve expected him to be a 50 point guy.

I think Biron will be fine tonight. I do think we finally lose 2 in a row though.

LW3H:

Hits, not blocked shots. Their blocked shot total is about the same.

nothing Manny, just sayin HI !

Biron will get his share of starts in March, with 17 games to play. They have, most likely, already penciled him for specific dates. I highly doubt that trading him would return more than having an opportunity to stick with the schedule and have Hank fresh for the playoffs.

This team is pathetic. Anyone who thinks we’ll win tonight is out of his mind.

We’re bush-league to the core.

That was probably the most cohesive post all day here, Miami :-)

for what it’s worth I read the other day that there are only three guys who have the inside info on the trade front that know what’s going on behind the scenes and there names are Daren Dreger, Bob McKenzie and believe or not Nick Kypreos. Here is a link where Kypreos talks about the Nash trade.

http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2012/02/24/buzz-the-rangers-have-made-their-offer-to-columbus-for-rick-nash/

I’d rather Stralman sit. Something about that guy’s game I find irritating. Might just be my general happiness with everyone else’s game.

Sather managed to swing Biron and Dubinsky for Malkin and Crosby, though it’s contingent on Crosby passing a physical.

was emminger on the ice on the MDZ trunover when Stralman was going in deep also?

Stralman is soft… Torts likes Bickel for some reason.. Bickel could be a decent player but he takes to many stupid penalties….

He needs to play a conservative game and he would be adequate.

Given the opponent and their propensity for getting dirty when losing, wouldn’t it make sense to sit Fedo one more game and carry the 7 defensemen just in case Bickel has to risk a game misconduct?

LW,

I think Dubinsky gets “credited” with negative block shots when he falls down for no reason.

if Nash is the only guy to be had and they don’t trade for him, I’d be fine with it

No Trades + Parise in Off-Season = HAPPY MANNY

“How would youse guys feel if we made NO trades ?”

Yesterday, happy. Today, sad.

Beer-On has more trade value than Erixon? Hell no!

Eminger’s benching is long overdue. The guy’s been taking too many minors.

Haha!

I’d be fine if the Rangers didn’t make any moves.

Also, as I said, why the hell would the Kings want Biron when they have two very solid goalies already?

DaveMaloneyMSG Congrats to the Lunqvists. Next generation on the way. Rumor. Flyers looking to aquire negotiating rights!!! #NYR

LOL!

Can’t believe Hank is having a baby. He just cut the rest of his career in half. We should explore other possibilities.

“Supposively” the Sharks are done with Nash. Down to Leaves and NYR.

I thought his career was over he got married. But, he’s playing his best hockey ever.

Hopefully this baby doesn’t screw things up!!

PIMP – in the future it’s “plugged-into”

Yeah, seems like this Mrs. Lundqvist was a good wife. She doesn’t hassle him, she lets him do his thing. But she just screwed it all up!

This is one time I’d like Hank to give up a softy, and he can’t do it! Now his wife is making him pay!

Hank becomes more and more like Roger Federer each day…

NYP_Brooksie Kings seeking NHL-ready defenseman in deal for Brown, doesn’t appear to be match with Rangers

What? They don’t want Christian Thomas and a first round pick? Seriously????

I was hoping maybe you guys could call me Landfill. In honor of him.

Mister D, I think they want someone more like McDonut, Del Z, Stahl, or Danny G. Nobody knows what Erixon is really capable of. Too big a risk for them

Orr: I’m pretty convinced atleast half of their motivation will be to help out the Rangers here. Take it or leave it (but please don’t leave it), LA!

Mister D February 24th, 2012 at 1:18 pm

I was hoping maybe you guys could call me Landfill. In honor of him.

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BWahahahahahhaa. YES! I love how they just replace him with the same guy and he marries his wife and everything.

Also – I love how the woman from that movie, “Precious; a film based on the novel Push by Sapphire” or whatever was in Beerfest getting kicked where the sun don’t shine and killing Landfill in a vat of beer. Stay classy San Francisco.

NYR – Part of me says YES DO IT. and part of me thinks the other part of me is stupid.

staal has been terrible. yeah, he’ll get better. but this season shows that he could be expendable.

You know what though? I doubt they would do it because Stahl isn’t playing a ton of minutes yet. They probably want more like…...ugh….McBust or Del Zaster. Maybe we can offer them a deal where they get Erixon and if they hate him they ship him back and we give them WoyWolski and if they hate him they ship him back and we give them Bickel, etc.

We should start a sell low proposal contest. See who can get the least in a hypothetical return.

Somebody bought a Jeremy Lin rookie card for nearly $23 grand. Blech.

Contest Entry: Dubinsky for Gomez

Eric Stahll has been pretty bad. Good point.

Patrick Kane just requested a trade to party town LA Kings.

Stahl isn’t expendable.

Especially if it’s a girl, Jonny D.

Baby Girls = Monsters [not the good kind of monsters]

Good point, Lev. Let’s hope J. Dolan can help get Little Lundqvist into an elite school in the City!

“Baby Girls = Monsters [not the good kind of monsters]”

Its funny that mine just went down for a nap after about 90 minutes of crazy. So … not really disagreeing here.

Starting to feel more and more as if Nash wont be dealt, and I have to say I’m a bit disappointed. Seems to me as if over the past week as each day went by more and more people were in support of this deal…

Somebody bought a Jeremy Lin rookie card for nearly $23 grand. Blech.

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LINflation

Hey, Tiki!

ilb, I might be moving up to NY in the next 6 months to be closer to my honey, depending on a job Im trying to get!

Hmmm, Tiki. Interesting. Does she know ? :-)

Of course!! I cant do anything without the honey’s knowledge! Im whipped LOL

I hope Lombardi is wrong.

Brandon Prust Memorial Suspension Bridge

I really wish this deadline would just end already. It’s getting absurd.

Fatboy McKenzie said it, so there must be some truth to it…..right?

Id rather Brown then Nash, keeps our salary cap reasonable. Too bad if he is off the board, he fits our style of play.

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Trade deadline craziness: Lombardi telling inquiring GMs that Dustin Brown is not available. Can’t wait until this is over.

has Nash always been a RW or has he played LW as well? For some reason, I want to say Nash played LW earlier in his career…

makes no sense for torts to start Biron tonight. He should rest hank for saturday so he’s fresh for the debbies on Monday…

Nash’s 21 = worst +/ for forwards on his team, along with his 8.73 shooting percentage – and this is a guy who gets most of the PP time on his club = just awful. 8.73 shooting percentage has to be in the neighborhood of a .250 hitter in baseball with moderate power, say a 25 homer, 85 RBI right fielder who should be 35+ homers and 110 RBI’s just to keep up with the league at his position. For this you give up some talented kids, a #1 pick, and take a monster cap hit? Better not be.

Sather, bless his little heart, has to know these things and be laughing out the side of his panatella. (I hope.)

Even as a staunch anti-Nash trade partier, I’d at least say that this year is a down year for him and you could expect better for the next couple of seasons. Still, you’d have to get Nash putting up at or near his career high in goals and points to justfiy his cap hit.

But that also belies the point that if you’re getting career worst Nash, how does that make the Rangers substantially better?

Because Wolski is about to be traded straight up for Nash.

...and are they really so big?

Got an extra tik for monday. anyone got a nice looking sister?

CTB:

You were here last week when the performance of players after age 28 was discussed, right. Based on the extremely low number of NHL players who’ve had 30/30 or 30/40 seasons at the age(s) Nash would be while on the Rangers, you’re basically hoping for unprecedented performance from the guy. In addition, of the guys who’ve done it, they’ve all been Hall of Famers or lock Hall of Famers (like Jagr). Nash isn’t a Hall of Famer by any stretch. And yeah, if the price were a lot better, sure, no problem, take him in a sec. But to pay a guy in upwards of $8 million/year who in all likelihood who’s not going to at least be as good as he was a few years ago? No thanks.

The New York Giants are really the: New Jersey “Football” Giants.

Gaborik, in the years he hasn’t been hindered by injuries, is an 80-point player – granted, he’s been injured frequently. Rick Nash has played full seasons in all but one year he’s been in the NHL and has cracked 70 points once.

But yeah, Gaborik’s had a nice bounce back season but his projected finish still shows his numbers as dipping.

Lloyd,

Yeah, I posted the link of the list that displayed 30G/70 pts guys. I’ve been hammering that point for a while. All I’m saying is that this year in particular is a down year for Nash and he probably does have another season or two as a 30G+ guy because he’s still generating a ton of shots but they aren’t going in as much as they normally do.

So yes, he isn’t worth the cap hit during a typical year for him and a typical year for him will be harder to repeat each and every year he ages.

there is a good chance Nash won’t get traded by the dead line. I don’t think he will and according to Aaron Portzline, beat writer for the Bluejackets said he spoke to people inside the organization and they told him as of right now it looks 60/40 that they won’t trade Nash and will try again in the summer.

Butt-Chin had a down year last year, and look at him now. The same will happen to Nash, and maybe even better, if he plays for a better team.

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I tend to believe the “better team effect” is bit overstated. He’s always been a shot generating machine, unless he ups his shooting by a substantial margin I don’t see him getting that much better.

gaborik is 8 points better than nash this year, playing on the best team in the east. he’s older and has averaged around the same goals-per-year his career.

I also am now thinking that Nash won’t get traded , but not because they dont want to but because Howson is being unreasonable in his requests from what I have read. He will be in for quite a shock at the draft when he only gets offered a fraction of what is probably on the table today.

I don’t any “people” here are saying Gaborik is underperforming

He might be generating shots, but they’re not all scoring chances. Playing with better players will most likely give him better scoring chances, and more goals. Unlike in Columbus, he wont be “doing it all”. Life could be much easier, depending on where he plays. So he wont necessarily have to “up his shooting” to score more.

Not saying he’s going to turn into OvechCANT and have a 65 goal season.

no one is saying gaborik is underperforming. but there are plenty of people here being completely ridiculous about rick nash. he’s a monster.

Jonny, that’s if Nash will accept a trade to the teams with those top picks, which isn’t likely.

is Nash a monster because 60 point players are monsters or is he a monster in the way Carp called Brian Boyle a monster after every game last season

czechthemout!!!! ,

I’ve been posting that for days that he wouldn’t get traded. Howson has gone on to say his demands are non negotiable. Fine by me, can’t wait til dead line is over and I can get back to watching the rangers for the rest of the season and playoffs.

Yeah, Nash has always been a sniper. Never considered a playmaker, which is why he’s never had more than 70-something points.

Orr, do you really think the Rangers style of play though is conducive to allowing a guy to go full steam ahead with just his offense? Maybe things click for him and he forms great chemistry with whomever he plays with (the failed experiment with Carter should show that he shouldn’t be paired with another sniper, so exclude Gaborik as one of his potential linemates). But what are we expecting a 90 point season? I just don’t see it.

Damn, I’ll try embedded PowerPoint next time.

I’m happy with Gaby’s production this year. I just want to see him raise his game in the playoffs…I know he has more in the tank….

Same goes for a lot of Rangers…

I look at it that if CBJ is trading Nash they are blowing it all up. They’re gonna want to get as many sure things/high upside players as possible for him so they can at least leave their fans with any hope down the road. I don’t know if they’re gonna get that at the deadline if teams feel they’re still in the hunt.

CTB – his vision is good, yes. Because he’s a creative player. His actually passing/puck control isn’t great. There are many times he saucers one up and it’s not even close to the target. That’s why I say he’s a star player. Rick Nash is another star player, not a superstar. Yet he’s being paid superstar money. I actually thought we overpaid for Gaborik when we signed him (still do to a certain extent, but he’s more worth it).

CTBlueshirt

With Nash all we should care about is goals and not points. We want Nash to be top 5-10 in the NHL in SOG and put up 30+ goals, improve our PP and not be a defensive liability.

Putting him on a line with a great passer like Richards and a puck winner like Callahan is a great top line which will increase the production of Nash and Richards especially since his assist total has taken a beating because his other wingers are not putting up many goals (remember Cally scores most of his goals on the PP or on rebounds/deflections/tap ins that dont require a great center) ...

Latona, I know. I remember how dynamic Gaborik was in those playoffs as a 21 yr old. I want to see him do it with a Ranger jersey….

Well if we’re limiting Nash to just a goal scorer then I’m very concerned that he might not crack 30 goals this year.

did anyone wish Wojtek Wolski a happy birthday ?

IS HE HERE YET ??

how many players have consistently scored 40 goals from age 28 on?

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CT, I meant Nash can score 30-40

Because Dubinsky doesn’t cost 7.8 million for the next 7 years. Plus at least Dubi holds some trade value thanks to his contract not being too terrible. If Dubi has a good season, we can move it. No matter what, we can’t trade Nash’s contract until the last season since nobody will want that cap hit for anything good in return since they know we’ll be cash strapped.

I wouldn’t trade 3 prospects and/or picks for Dubinsky right now either.

fchamps,

I didn’t mention Dubinsky at all. This isn’t about who they’re trading for Nash, it’s about how Nash is a good but not great player. At times has been a very good player but isn’t as a good player as he normally is this season and there’s a lot of evidence suggesting he won’t be even normal good for that much longer.

Oleo – But how do you know he won’t give you 5G-5A? You act like it’s a guarantee that he’s giving you PPG numbers which he’s proven time and time again that he cannot do.

Jonny D,

That was actually two seasons before the lockout, when the Swamp Rats won their third cup.. Minnesota met the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim and Mike Babcock (surprise, surprise) in the finals.

Latona – That’s right. 2003, forgot. So yeah, those numbers look a little more legit, even though there was hooking and holding haha. Thanks for the reminder. I just remember them upsetting the Avs and everyone making a big deal about it.

That was also the last year of the Devils reign of terror over the East.

I am simply asking Rick Nash to simply give us his average statistics from the past 4 seasons (not including this one). Given the fact that Brad Richards would be the best center he’s ever played with, I don’t see why that shouldn’t be expected.

Nash should not be expected to put up 40 goals ever again. It might happen once but that is not why he is brought here. He is brought here because the Rangers have a core that will make the playoffs without him but need him in order to advance past the 2nd round on a consistent basis…

Jeff Carter does that when healthy.

Brad Richards 2011-12: 0.69 pts/game (.91 pts/game career average) = Drury 2.0

Rick Nash 2011-12: .70 pts/game (.81 pts/game career average) = Worth every penny

No, Jonny D, that’s not quite right. Top 5 contract and player assets.

CTBlueshirt

The reason Richards has a low point total is not because he is Chris Drury 2.0 but because he has played with Ryan Callahan and Carl Hagelin/Brandon Dubinsky and because of that he has noone who can score off a 1 timer.

Oleo – Richards played with Steve Ott, Louis Eriksson, and Brendan Morrow in Dallas. That didn’t stop him from putting up 90+ points.

Hamr!

CT, I miss you! How’s the girl?

She’s doing fine Mama.

Pictures, please….:) send to me…

HAMR = THE NEW CABER

Texted you a couple of recent pics Mama.

I thought Marbury was the overexposed NY basketball player.

“Row Man Hammer Lick”

Indeed.

I was referring to being overexposed for his play on the court. Not for what happens when you “get in the truck”.

who the hell is caber

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BAN

Off topic…ha, strange I know here, but….the Seinfeld episode had it right. Not all babies are breathtaking…but Little Miss CT is to die for!!!!

Caber McBryan. Insanely mobile former defenseman.

do you not think that Nash helps Cally’s numbers, and Richards numbers if he plays with them? Nash may produce what he normally produces, but it is the effect he may have on other players that is going to be the big help. not only the line he may play on, but he also helps Gabby’s line. which line do you put your shut down D pair against? it is not as simple as Nash may only get 9 goals and 10 assists.

Like I said earlier, Aaron Portzline, beat writer for the bluejackets said he spoke to people inside the organization today and he was told it was 60/40 that Nash WILL NOT be traded at the dead line and that they will try trading him in the summer. Forget Nash, he isn’t coming. Sather is doing the right thing, besides Nash’s contract Howson’s demands were ludicrous.

Uh, I think every player a shortened version of their name. Makes it easier to call out on the ice. Gabby, Cally, Steps, Richie, G, Staalsy, etc. Caber was just his nickname.

Its a good thing the Jackets’ organization is required to be completely honest with their beat writers and would never float something to potentially increase their bargaining power.

Crusher. Koats. Brash.

NYRfan,
come on. I know your better than that.

So you’ve never heard players referred to by the nicknames by the fans?

I’m not even a Yankees fan but I know who people are talking about when they say Jets, ARod, Mo

Mess, Gravey, Zubi, Gresch

Is Nash brown?

I have a question for all the anti Nash people here. How many goals and assists do you all think he would have scored per season if he played for a team like the Wild with players like Brett Burns,P.M. Bouchard,Marty Havlid,just to name a few. Or if he played with the Bolts and Vinny L, St.Louis,Brad Richards,,Dan Boyle. Or if he played Louis Ericsson,James Neal,Jamie BENN,Bradon Morrow,Mike Robiero,Sergei Zubov.

Bulldog: That, imo, is a better approach to Nash than “sniper”
or “star.”

Evidence from Columbus hard to draw on, though, unless you’ve
seen his work night in, night out. Stats suggest not much.

As for his declining “finish” numbers, if he came to the Rangers
tonight, he would rank 11th in shooting %.

Eleventh…..star….monster….sniper…..cost: $8 million, and
young talent.

Yeah, well I understand that Lloyd but fans calling players by nicknames has been around pretty much forever.

CTB:

Fair enough. In the case of “Caber,” I genuinely didn’t know who the nickname was referring to.

Lloyd, don’t worry – you are special, unlike others here …

almost like insurance company…

Hardly an exact science, bull dog. I see your point though. In theory, I agree.

I also used to think that Jagr and Gomez would be the scoring tandem of the decade….

I do not know much about the cap, but I do know it makes no sense to try and put Avery through re entry waivers before the deadline. if he is claimed the Rangers are responsible for part of the cap hit. if he stays in the AHL his cap number does not effect the Rangers cap.

Arghhhhh!!!As a creature of habit, I still read this blog, but only every 1/100th posts; oversaturated by guesses, it makes me dizzy and vomit prone. What we all need is deep collective, lethargic sleep till 3:00 PM Monday.(with 2 hours windows for today’s and Saturday games,without a sound).

I’d keep him there. Let him suffer in the AHL! Fugg him!

Even his ardent fans don’t suggest he’s gonna help with
goals against. Subtract a handful from his now-level of
30 goals, on a ton of shots (so other Rangers will have their
time on ice and opportunities diminish at the margins as well,
a fair observer might conclude) and you’re talking the rough
net gain of a Dustin Brown – who was available for a few seconds
at half the cap hit:-).

In a cap system, over time, bang for buck is all. I agree with
some that Gabby has been slightly under-performing his money;
Brad moreso; Dubi big-time (in spite of my appreciation for guys
who do all the other things well).
Henrik, finally, seems to be outperforming his, possibly even by
a large margin. Dan G, too. Some of the kids. Cally by a fair
amount.
But add the huge almost-8 Millions for Rick, and his modest
results the last two seasons, and you’re really swamping that
bang-for-buck guiding principle.

Nope

Let Avery go to the Flames and they can give us Iginla in exchange. Or as LW says, Igi

“I think Richards may have helped that.”

And y,might be right. But Cally being who he is,
and just coming into his NHL prime, might be just as
good a reason.
He might be helping BR:-).

Callahan was on pace to put up the same numbers last year without Brad Richards. So I don’t think Richards had much to do with it.

CT Blueshirt

Callahan and Loui Eriksson are completely different players. Callahan scores the majority of his goals on tip ins, deflections, rebounds and the occasional 2-1/3-2. Callahan very rarely scores goals on one timers or on a play where he carries the puck for more than 2 seconds. Eriksson is a much better offensive player although he needs a center to make it work.

Callahan and Richards play completely different styles of game and Cally doesn’t need Richards to score his 20-25 goals. Give him Mitchell or Anisimov and his goal total will be the same. Richards’ assist total has been severely effected by the grinding style of his linemates and the fact that the Rangers don’t have a shoot first defenseman for the PP…

Czech: that’s an angels-dancing-on-the-head of pins question.

I’m more interested in the here/now, especially for the huge cap
gamble.

Here/now, CONSISTENTLY declining score percentage, suggests
he’s in the 30-goal range, at best.

Not with MY money. Not even with yours:-).

Oleo: fair points.

Pushed a little hard here, imo, but generally apt.

so Cally’s career goal scoring season he is having, is purely a coincidence that he happens to be playing with Richards. I don’t buy it.

I don’t remember even a simple majority here being excited about Richards.

bull dog line

Callahan only played in 60 games last season. He had more points per game last season than he does this season so no Richards hasn’t increased his stats at all. He’s pretty much exactly the same as last season just a few less assists…

Wonky Groin

Manny….LOL!