That’s what I’ve got for you at the moment. Been really busy with the “other” job.
But I figured youse needed a new thread to start your weekend.
So here you go. I might have something later.
Or I might not.
That’s what I’ve got for you at the moment. Been really busy with the “other” job.
But I figured youse needed a new thread to start your weekend.
So here you go. I might have something later.
Or I might not.
307 Comments
First. (It’s late, don’t want to wake anyone)
Late? The day has just started! Will be interesting to see if Sather pulls off another Gomez-type trade with a club that is enamored of an underutilized player like Avery or Wolski, to bring over the Son of McDonough.
“underutilized” is an optimistic way to describe those two players…I like it, if Sather can convince some other GM that’s the reality of the situation!
Watched the magic of a ton of youth with some has beens do its thing in Edmonton last night.
take heed o collectors of youth.
Johnnyboy: with all due respect, that is a poor analogy. Yes, we are one of the youngest teams in the NHL, but that is where the similarity ends with Edmonton. They suck, we don’t. End of story.
Never said we were at their level Yev…. just pointing out what COULD happen.
Carp thanks for good news!
No news is good news!
For what’ it’s worth I would trade for Nash. I know you guys have spent days on the topic. I just feel that this team is one or two players away. I saw the cup run in 94. And they turned over lots of that roster for the cup. Worth it. In this case it will be worth a small sacrifice to land Nash.
When does Drury come off of the books?
I think drury is $3.6m this year and $1.6 next then done.
Confirmed with cap geek. $3.7 this year. $1.67 next year then done.
Don’t know if this was discussed because not involved with last thread or two but new CBA may allow some form of amnesty buyouts or deal reworking. So trade for Nash. Then rework his deal to a more cap friendly deal. Can do similar deal to BRich. Loads of upfront money add a year or two then reduce cap hit. Also there may be a salary rollback next year as well so that 7.8 may be at 5.2 or 6.0 (25-33 percent reduction). Still big numbers but manageable. Drury buyout off books likely as well.
Satty hatty
Going to play at panthers bank Atlantic center this morning in my rec league. Cool to be in the big stadium. Our games draw better than the puddy cats
No trades were needed in 1994 and none are needed now.
Scott Howson knows his job is on the line and is trying to fleece the rangers in trading for Nash. I’m confident that Sather won’t bite unless Howson comes down to reality. Howson should realize you can’t fleece a fleecer.
Add more years and upfront money to Richards’ deal?
Amnesty buyouts are one thing, but I can’t see the NHLPA being forced into signing up for contract restructuring being allowed.
Johnnyboy: ANTYHING COULD happen! Anything is always possible. But, what evidence do you have that the Rangers are on the same path as the Edmonton Oilers? The truth of the matter is that the empirical evidence proves EXACTLY the opposite.
Helps if I could read…thought you were saying to rework a Nash deal as well as Richards’.
There are two huge differences between the Oil and the Rangers. First, is that the Oilers routinely draft in the top-10 and always take(as most teams would) the most talented player on the boards. The Rangers almost always draft in the middle, where the talent is less guaranteed and where they’ve selected guys on a basis of how they fit into a future plan. For instance, Kreider, McIlrath, and Miller are the types of players that would shift seamlessly into this roster. Second, is that the Oilers lack any sort of top goaltender and the Rangers have the best on on the planet. They’ll probably pull themselves into a playoff spot in short order, but they’re going to struggle to do anything until they have a top goalie capable of competing with other top goalies.
tomg – The clock to fire Howson starts ticking the minute he pulls the trigger on a Nash deal. There’s been plenty of speculation that he’s getting canned anyway and the only reason he still has a job is that the management wants to make a clean break with Nash, but needs a fall guy for the fans to blame if and when the deal turns out bad for Columbus.
Why is Howson even being given a chance to make a Nash deal?
personally I don’t want Nash at all. I’ve said this on here allot, the contract alone is a cap killer and will hurt the rangers down the road from signing there young players who will most likely get better as the years go on. Yes, the cap might go up temporarily because of the new CBA bargaining but will go down. That contract doesn’t fit the quality of the player. It would be like getting another Scott Gomez contract, no thanks.
not to mention I wouldn’t want to give up Kreider, Miller, Mcilrath.
Bc the new GMwoudnt want his first order of business to be trading the vf ace of the franchise….talk about starting off on the wrong foot lol
And the CBJ want a fall guy and they want it to b Howson and not their new GM
Gang-The players the Rangers brought in for the 94 Run (Noonan, Matteau, Larmer earlier in the year, MaCtavish, and Anderson) all had either won Cups, or been deep in the playoffs before. Nash has not. Lauri freaking Korpikoski has more playoff games played during his Rangers tenure than Rick Nash has.
This is not Butch Goring. This is not Mike Gartner.
Nash is a very good player but not a proven winner; only four playoff appearances dating back to juniors not including the 04-05 lockout. He doesn’t make people around him better nor is he a top 5 player in this league.
That cap hit is death and unless you’re trading for a healthy Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, younger Datsyuk, or Ovechkin, you don’t give that up.
I’d much rather have Kopitar than Nash.
Nash may barely hit 30 goals this year. His production really hasn’t been greater than someone like Hagelin.
Don’t do it.
No nash no nash no nash. I’m so hungover
Derek Roy over Nash..do it Sather.
i cant wait to read these comments a week from now when the rangers trade for nash… that is going to be pure gold
The White Plains Batman – I think that’s kind of overlooking the type of player Nash is. No doubt, he would be a dangerous asset to throw on any top line in the NHL. His lack of playoff experience isn’t the problem. His cap hit and cost are the real issues. I wouldn’t mind Nash here, I just can’t see how Sather could pull it off without either upsetting the chemistry this year or hamstringing the team cap-wise for many years to come. Honestly, I think Nash lands in either LA or Boston. The latter could be a significant problem for the Rangers chances in the east this year.
“i cant wait to read these comments a week from now when the rangers trade for nash… that is going to be pure gold”
I can write mine right now. “I hate this. I can’t believe Sather did this. We’re better this year but its a horrible long term move. I can’t believe he messed with the core and future cap of a young 1st place team. [barf]”
sorry, I don’t see Sather making a trade for Nash, doesn’t make sense or fit into the rangers plans for the future. It would be suicide.
I personally don’t think the Nash move makes sense on any front. Is he a talented player, yes, but he does not fit into this system, nor does he fit into our financial plans.
He doesn’t fit into the system because he doesn’t do a lot of the dirty work along the boards, throw his body in front of shots, etc. He’s a great puckhandler, and strong skater, very much like a young Jagr, only problem is we have that type of player already, Gaborik, who we had to surround him with guys who do do the dirty things, like block shots and grind it out along the boards, and Gaborik himself even improved his boards play this season, however, taking on another player like this could potentially help take the identity away from this team.
I think this is a young, gritty, first place team with a chip on it’s shoulder. Built to do the little things, well conditioned, built to be able to defend and win 1-0, 2-1 playoff games. And this team is built to play this way for years down the road as well. For the money we would give Nash, it would more than cover signing every FA we have this year for at least a year or 2 more. Then next year we have quite a few key FA’s which we NEED to sign too. I just think that 7.8 mil/year is better spent making a team that’s gonna compete for a stanley cup year after year.
A big reason the 94 team did so well in the playoffs was because there was a lot of playoff experience being brought in for younger talent. Amonte, Weight, Turcotte, Gartner, all guys that it sucked to see go, and they all had successful carreers after wearing Broadway Blue. The idea then was to end the curse and do whatever it takes, so they traded players of like qualities with the difference being experience. The result, a stanley up, the result in the next season? 8th place, and yes that 8th place team beat the young Quebec Nordiques team, which the next year won the stanley cup as the Avalanche, and proceeded to be cup contenders every year until 2002.
I would just rather see us take care of our young core, because this is a special bunch, throw in Kreider, Miller, McIlrath over the next couple of years, with the young core we have now entering into the primes of their carreers, this team could go places, not just be one and done. We’re not fighting a 54 year curse anymore, we’re not as desperate as we were then. Let’s build this team and ride them to the cup multiple times! And enjoy May and June hockey every year for the next 5-6-7 years!
Parros over Nash, get on it Glen!
I would think Nash’s dominance during the Olympics might give an idea as to how he could handle the playoffs. The chemistry thing is way overrated. Getting players who fit the identity and system of a team are far more important than trying to make chemistry.
“Chemistry” changes from game to game and season to season. Last year, Artie-Cally-Dubi had that magical chemistry. They didn’t this year. The GAS line has chemistry for stretches, then they disappear. However, somebody by Hagelin comes along who fits with the identity of the team and he fits right in. We have a revolving door of defensemen who all can make it work because they fit the identity of the team.
Chemistry is way over-stated.
But you can’t totally discount player-to-player chemistry either. Everyone thought Richards would come in and be the center Gaborik needed to go nuts. They never clicked but lucky for us Stepan and Gabby did. So, yes, chemistry is overrated but it does exist. We’ve seen it on this very roster.
Let’s see, Howson is just about out the door, and Sather, a.k.a. “Father Time” does not have long to go here, and in his active front office NHL career. So that this Nash deal figures to get done because one GM is trying to save his job, while the other is trying to catch lightning in a bottle, on his way out the door to the Old Folks Farm. He certainly doesn’t have three- five years remaining to piddle around with developing Rangers system “futures.”
So that this deal will get done for all the wrong / self-serving reasons and has little to do with organizational considerations coming first. Unless the Rangers win the Stanley Cup this year with Nash, this could be a “Titanic” redux, around here, given that Slats will have to part with at least two blue-chip prospects to pull it off.
Trading a real shot at two or even three Stanley Cup championships over the next six years for one shot at the SC now, does not resonate in some circles. Best chance the Rangers have is that Boston has disintegrated in the aftermath of the Tim Thomas situation, and Detroit has peaked way too soon, also a strong concern as regards the Rangers, although they, like Detroit, haven’t gone into the tank, just yet, but figure to display some major downside liability come the month of March. This is really setting up well for Vancouver, at the present time.
‘and Sather, a.k.a. “Father Time” does not have long to go here,’
You’ve found Sather’s medical chart and think he’s dying?
Just asking?
Larry Brooks seemed to acknowledge some possibility that Nash could be a Ranger before tomorrow’s game but he may just be joking
Trade Brooks for Carpiniello!
Also, he said there’s no interest in KUBER.
Morning all,
Boom Boom,
Gotta give Slats some credit here – the man knows how to make deals (see Gomez for McDonagh) – he will not mess this one up. Not with what is at stake.
Vancouver looks good right now – but personally, I think the Rangers would beat them in the finals. Grind them into ice chips. Look at the way the Canucks laid down in game 7 against the B’s last year. Rangers are too tough for those guys.
I would love to see the Rangers play the Sharks in the finals – and make Jumbo Joe eat his “soft” words once and for all.
Success in the playoffs really has more to do with which team is peaking at the right time, than who has the most talent. Things can and do change dramaticallly from month to month in the NHL, such a physical game hockey is.
We have seen the best Boston, Detroit and the Rangers have to give, already this year, while Vancouver has yet to reach its peak performance level. But that is just for right now and some deals shaking down soon could change the landscape, by quite a lot.
for what its worth, this is the weakest the East will likely be for the forseeable future.
As long as Crosby and Malkin are on the same team, they will always be the favorites in the league…
Boom Boom,
We’ve also seen teams go into the playoffs with nothing doing and making some big runs.
All of a sudden a goalie gets hot – and a lower seeded team can steal a round or two
we’ve also seen teams with great regular seasons lose in the first round…
While I certainly believe we will win our first round matchup, it’s the next round where I’m not sure we’ll be able to win. Getting past better offensive teams like Philly, Pitt and Boston are going to be very difficult and if Marty starts playing like he did 5 years ago then NJ will very difficult to outscore as well…
The talk about future prospects is understandable but overdone. No one knows if miller will be Hugh jessimen. McIlrath be sanguinetti. But we know that Rick Nash is a 30 goal scorer. Kreider is probably the only untouchable prospect at forward. Erixon on defense probably the same.
Kreider – step – gabby
Nash – BRich – Cally
Hags – boyler – prust
AA – Mitchell – Rupp
That team is young enough to develop new draft picks in the comin years. If you don’t trade for Nash sub in dubi somewhere. Then where is the room for miller/Thomas/insert other name here. To think that one day all of the prospects wil be on the team at the same time is sort of fantasy. There will always be traded and upgrades. Getting Nash now does not sacrifice future cup runs. Does it hurt in te rfa category for contracts. Sure. But at some point when will loyalty and a desire to play for NYR at a home town discount come into play.
I still think that there will be a roll back or opportunity I restructure if new CBA lowered cap. also remember nhlpa Dom fehr was a baseball guy and used to a system of luxury taxes which may allow NYR to go over cap with a penalty to help smaller markets.
Oleo,
You’re right
playoffs are a crap shoot
But when you have The King between the pipes – all things are possible
The man is on a mission
(Not so bright) Future: Gaborik & Nash vs. Crosby & Malkin. I don’t thing so…
Bright future: Hank vs. the Flower.
Paul, interesting…
1. What make you feel Kreider is qualified to play 1 line? (how many games did you see him playing?).
2. Did you ever see Nash playing LW and how comfortable he will be if placed there?
3. What is a hockey sense to keep type of player AA is on 4th line with limited minutes? (isn’t it better than, to trade him, because obviously his value on a market much higher than 4th liner).
Oleo: not only that, but:
PHI: Pronger done for year
PIT: Crosby done for year (career?)
WAS: Green out, Ovechkin having worst season of his career
NJ: Poor first half
MTL/BUF/TB/WPG/TOR/CAR/OTT: Not playoff teams this year despite each of those teams having star players of some kind.
NYI: ‘nuff said
That really leaves us and Boston, and we can beat Boston.
We’re not going to have all of this happen again and that’s why we need to load up for a run this year.
Steve Zipay @stevezipay
Dubinsky: “If it (a trade) does happen, it’ll suck. Obviously, I love it here.”
Maybe Dubi needs to get out of his comfort zone!
no news = good news
cooke. Cooke makes it 1-0 Pen()s
Columbus beating Chicago 1-0 in the 1st…..
Hawks tie it up.
Wow! Jagr is sick!
Jagr with a pretty shot ties it up at 1
WOWOWOW! JAGR!
wow Jagr right away with another beauty. 2-1
2-1
Hawks lead Columbus 2-1
DKJ –
Re: “We’re not going to have all this happen again” Baloney! If we hold the young core together, the serious run of this year can happen every year for the better part of a decade. Trading young blue chips and squeezing cap space for Nash is how this will not be happening again for a long time.
Dammit, we got Gaborik, we got Richards, let the our system do the rest. Going overboard for big name players can have one nasty downside, when taken too far. Enough with the overpriced, fat contract signings, already.
haven’t we been through that before, loading up with high price veteran players. How did that work out in the late 90’s early 2000’s.
You read my mind there Carp(er).
As I mentioned in the prior posting ( before getting Carped as often happens), but I see that someone is eager for Kubina….don’t be. He is very very ordinary.
Oh a decent D man, but not any better than the average Rangers now, and yes he pots the occasional goal, but hey…but so does Gilroy.
Certainly no one that is going to be worth the trouble.
I can say this with confidence because I watch quite a few Bolts games, and eh….ok…..but don’t give up anything that is here now for him.
thought i’d bring something else to discuss:
just curious
if Sather traded Avery or anyone else
from the Whale who would need to
clear waivers to join the Rangers
do they need to clear waivers
when joining their new team?
if yes, then is it a gentleman’s agreement among
gm’s not to take a player on re-entry waivers
after they’re traded?
im surprised at the lack of physicality in this Flyers-Pen()s game
Boom Boom Bathgate
the one major downside with waiting for prospects is that very few prospects ever become above average players in the league and very very very few turn into perennial all-stars.
Most top prospects turn into Grachev not Stepan…
In the late 90’s we had no young core, just older than dirt players and mercenaries.
Now I hear Columbus is talking to the Flyers about Nash.
nevermind about that physicality comment LOL
3-1 Chicago
From the Trade or High Purchase Advocate standpoint.
The popular notion that we have to be patient and wait for development of all our young players to a team which brings us SC, with all it nice attractiveness and righteous cause, is a little bit overstated. Comes reality check. First and foremost, measure of talent in each individual is, believe it or not, strictly limited by M(other)N(ature) and goes only this far… no matter how hard you try after reaching aforementioned limit. Secondly, regardless, how optimistic are we about our perspective players, I didn’t honestly see any Ovis, Crosbys or Leeches yet, and the better team will perform, the less are the chances to see ones in drafts. Third – in a long run for SC, team can’t rely only on two superstars like Hank and Gaby(I don’t consider BRich a super, albeit very good). If, god forbid, something happens (slump or injury), team will be able to just barely fight for a playoff spot.
“Ergo” – sometimes you have to BUY a real talent-which is always one-time, special, “custom made” goods. It’s only the matter of price to value balance, vision and luck. Show me this in an art form.
P.S. Saying that, I’m totally OK, if none of it will be done. It is interesting enough. I just have to reduce my expectations for ultimate result and watch my team’s “blue collars fights” as a lovely entertainment with adrenalin rush.
4-1 Hawks, Mason pulled…tough times in Columbus land.
Again if you can get Nash and only have to give up Dubinsky from the NHL roster while holding onto Kreider its an absolute no-brainer.
To turn down a player that addresses our two biggest weaknesses because we might have to give up a homegrown player or two 2-3 years down the road is utter nonsense.
Even the young guys we currently have aren’t good enough to the point where they are getting huge contracts. As good as McDonagh, Del Zotto and Stepan are, we’re not talking about Toews, Kane and Keith…
2nd round pick for Ray Whitney is all the news i want this week
Jordan Staal scores a shorthanded goal! 2-2
I’m glad Jagr is scoring all of his revenge goals against the Pens, and not NYR.
HAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 3 on 5 shorthanded goal by Matt Cooke. UNIVERSE SUCKS!
Bryzgalov pulled and booed off the ice
Me too, ORR!
Dubiiii
There is no way that would be enough although I would certainly up the offer a bit since Whitney would look real nice in our top 6.
In fact Whitney would be a great guy to look at on a 1 year deal in the offseason even if we brought in Parise as well…
Jeez, back to back shorthanded goals given up by Phillthy
Flyers tie it at 3. pretty wild, entertaining game i have to say
I actually wouldn’t mind getting Drew Stafford for not a very high draft pick
Phoenix is sitting in 7th place right now. I don’t see why they’ll give up one of their top players for a draft pick, even if he’s a UFA after this season.
funny, reading fans of other teams on TSN about Nash being traded to there team and they have the same sentiment, don’t don’t do it, contract is a cap killer and not worth giving up prospects.
Buzz: The Flyers Are Listening To Rick Nash Offers
posted on February 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
According to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philly, The Flyers are listening to Columbus about a deal for Rick Nash.
Columbus GM Scott Howson is at the Flyers game for the second straight Saturday and is being joined by associate Craig Patrick.
The Flyers are believed to still be searching for defense and Panaccio thinks that the players wanted by Columbus would be a combination of Braydenn Schenn, Sean Couturier, James vanRiemsdyk and Sergei Bobrobsky.
WOW. That’s a LOT to give up.
I hope the flyers do it, Nash fits right in, good offensive team that doesn’t play defense or a two way game. IMO that would make the flyers a worse team, not a good playoff team.
Way too much! Defense is their problem. Goaltending as well, but Holmgren isn’t going to give up on Universe just yet. Big risk giving up those three players for Nash.
I’m indifferent on the Flyers getting Nash. Doesn’t matter either way.
In all seriousness, who would you rather have Brad Richards or Rick Nash? You can make an easy case for Nash. The difference is what you would have to give up to get him.
Everyone keeps talking about the Rangers cap situation although whats funny is the Rangers will be able to resign everyone they wish this offseason, sign Parise and still have about 3 mil left over to sign someone else…
I’d hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no guarantee that the new CBA will allow players under contract to come off the cap…even with a move to the AHL…
So, there’s a slight possibility that Redden’s contract may count against the cap next season…
How do you figure, smirf?
these pretzels are making me thirsty
LOL! Put BOB in, and he gives up a goal. 4-3 Pens.
I don’t think we are going to get Nash. I think there are smarter moves out there to be made. And I think it will come down to the wire whatever we do.
NYR_FAN: in that case there would have to be buyout amnesty or the CBA would never get approved.
Make that 5-3! Haha!
NYR_Fan,
there is no way they are going to be allowed to retroactively make an already buried contract suddenly count against the cap…I don’t see that happening.
If anything they will eliminate the option of burying a player in the minors
I see it being a big sticking point in negotiations. I hope I’m wrong…
What they should allow in the next CBA is for teams to pay part of a players salary in a trade like they do in baseball.
They used to before the lockout (which made the Jagr trade even more of a steal)...
Chicago leading Columbus 6-1…id say tomorrow will be ugly but Columbus is probably used to these lopsided games by now.
wow Flyers are getting crushed
“The universe is sooo huMAINgous big, right?”
6-3 Pens….lol…
Maybe Nash can just switch jerseys with someone tomorrow (AA) during the game.
What do you guys think about that?
Columbus play by play guys drooling over Wisniewski blocking 2 shots and how he’s a warrior…i guess tomorrow they will be slobbering watching NYR
NYR_FAN
it wont be a major issue. 1) The player still gets paid regardless of whether he’s on the team or not and 2) it affects so few players each year.
Anybody know how many times Hank has been pulled this season? I can’t remember a single game.
Unlike Mr. Universe…
Check out the following from the CBJ-CHI game: I wonder why 6-0 190 lb Derek Dorsett instigated a fight with 6-8 260 lb John Scott.
TimeTeamPenalty Detail
5:43
John Scott: 5 Minute Major for Fighting Derek Dorsett
5:43
Derek Dorsett: 2 Minutes for Instigator John Scott (Served by Vinny Prospal)
5:43
Derek Dorsett: 5 Minute Major for Fighting John Scott
5:43
Derek Dorsett: 10 Minute Misconduct
5:43
Derek Dorsett: 10 Minute Misconduct for Instigator John Scott
I can’t stand these stupid Peggy NHL commercials.
The team that scares me playoff time isn’t the bruins it would be the Pens. The pens healthy with or without Crosby is a dangerous team.
6-4 Pens
The Kings must regret trading Simmonds and Schenn for Richards.
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/110056
oleo, it affects small market teams that can barely spend to the cap as it is. The point of a cap system is to level the playing field for smaller market teams, right?
Why have a cap at all then?
hahahaah Eklund is saying Bryzgalov/JvR/Coburn for Mason/Nash….that may be his best one yet.
That Dorsett guy must be like Tie Domi, wanting a piece of all the biggest guys … but that fight looks like Kramer doing karate against the children. Godzilla looks like he can’t believe this little bulldog is trying to fight him.
forgot to add: Hahahaha.
Has anyone come up with any players for the Rangers to go after before the deadline that make more sense than Nash?
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=6609
Ye Carp it looked like Scott was like is this guy really doing this? and then when he landed the first punch Scott was like enough of this carcillo…but gotta give the kid props for showing guts.
Mason has probably played his last game with Columbus…aside from sucking this entire year he apparently threw a hissy fit and yelled at the coach for pulling him today after he gave up 4 goals.
Mason is still young. Maybe he’ll have success with a decent team. I’d throw a hissy fit if I had to play for the Jackets.
I’d like to see Z.Chara fight John Scott. They are about the same size.
Chara is 6-9 255, Scott is 6-8 258. Why does Chara look much thinner than that? Scott looks huge compared to Chara.
it’d be nice to see Scott and Boogaard (RIP)....didnt Mason have an insane rookie season? or was that a different Mason?
Why does Hitchcock have a pink “W” and a heart on his cheek?
Yeah, Mason had 30 wins, 27 losses, 10 shutouts.
Too bad Blackhawks only play the Bruins once this year. I would have liked to see John Scott vs Zdeno Chara or Milan Lucic. Lucic would get his derriere handed to him.
If Philties will get Nash, they arguably will possess The most impressive and deep offensive core in a league. Their only 2 problems will be: who will deliver ammunition (pucks)to snipers, and Brizg, having net behind him bigger than his universe.
OLEO –
Re the merits of waiting for prospects to develop…
Well, a couple years ago Slats could have traded MDZ and Stepan and not acquired McD, etc. while staying with the Gomez’s and the Redden’s of the world. How sorry are we that he chose the long-term, patient and intelligent (not desperate) course, which is now the short-term course, at that time?
What I am saying is that the reward for staying with prospects and building a contender within the system is enormous – WHEN it works out, as it is never guaranteed to do, as you suggest. But it has worked out for this group of players and their fans. We don’t need a GM wrecking ball strategy now, this close to champagne as we are getting.
Also, Slats has done this 180 reversal stuff before – remember trading Brian Leetch and others for kids, then turning around and trading the kids, within two years, for much older vets? We all painfully do.
Consistent with that turnabout lunacy would be to now break up the young core he and we have all been patiently waiting to see develop – now that is HAS developed. Nothing is more self-defeating then to change course when you are right onthe brink of all you have worked so well to establish and achieve.
If Slats wrecks the core of this team for yet another 30-goal scoring – cap killing, youth and depth stripping clubhouse mentor type, I think some of us around here are going to find a good book to read, rather than lend ourselves anymore to a lifetime of this waffling organization playing trade market shuffleball.
Blues/Wild game getting ugly. Backes took a little cross check the the side of his head.
Ok. So no trade for Nash. The way everyone talks about Kreider you cannot play him on fourth line. On the left you have Kreider hags dubi AA. None of them deserve 4th line minutes. But only Kreider projects to be a first liner. It’s great to have prospects but they all cannot play at he same time. There are occasions to make trades to help your team by dealing from strength. The strength of having coveted prospects.
If not Nash then who. This team needs more scoring. Whitney? Who else I really available?
Whitney may not be available. To be honest there aren’t many teams ready to sell yet. But I’d imagine Winnipeg, TB, Columbus, and Minnesota are ready to deal.
Jets are two points out. I doubt they’re selling.
What about Drew Stafford? He could be a poor man’s Rick Nash and you won’t have to give up an arm and a leg to get him.
He has a decent contract of $4m/yr with 3 years left on it: http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=379
If the rumors are true with the flyers and bluejackets and Howson and Patrick have been attending flyer games than that make me feel better because it appears the bluejackets have move on from the rangers and are looking to fleece the flyers.
also it makes sense that Howson and Patrick are now looking at the flyers in hope of getting a bidding war between the rangers and flyers. I confident sather won’t play that game.
oleo- FWIW
MDZ was 19 when he started his NHL career. He’s now 21, having played 183 games.
He has : 18 Goals 60 Assists for 78 Points
Duncan Keith was 22 his first year.
His 183rd game was played 20 games into his 3rd season at the age of 24.
By my calculations, after 183 games he had:
14 Goals 46 Assists for 60 Points.
Orr- Against the Oilers hank left the game because of a ‘skate problem’. I think that’s it though.
I like the idea of seeing what we can get from the Jets. But only if we can get a lopsided trade that makes Sather look amazing. I don’t know if there’s a 95% chance or a.00005% (or less) that he can make this happen but rumor has it Dustin Buf is on his way out if not by the 27th…over the summer. He’s big can score and is able to play as a d-man or a power forward. Ladd might be interesting as would Burmistrov (Sp?). It’s just a matter of what the perception is of players like MZA, WW, Dubi, V-Tank, Thomas, Bourque, McColgan or Fasth. Also, it seems that Hobbs’ value as a prospect is rising. Sometimes teams may have a higher lower assessment of a player/prospects value than what the parent organization and its fans have. A trade could put us over the top but it also has the potential to be a bust and that will sting for years if we break the bank to make it happen. If we can trade one or two of the players I mentioned above plus a first and/or a second round pick for a Nash, Byfuglien or Ryan sure. If Sather gets laughed at for proposing such a trade at least we know we’ll have this great team to watch all in tact next year and I’m okay with that.
There was an article on TSN yesterday where the jets’ gm stated nobody is untouchable on his roster. They may not be sellers but it seems they’re open to a trade.
Vitaly, If we could get Stafford and Gaustad for cheap/the right price I would be okay with that. Gaustad, Rupp and Prust for a 4th line is pretty nice. I think Feds is out for a long time. Nobody in the organization has said the word concussion but they haven’t said it’s not either.
Pass on Gaustad. No need for a guy like that.
Gaustad is a UFA and if we got him for cheap that would give us a killer fourth line. But Orr, you’re right in that we don’t really need him and Buffalo would probably want more than he would be worth for us to acquire him.
I’m not totally against Gaustad as he would be a nice checking center. Sort of like a smaller version of Brian Boyle.
vitaly, the blackhawks listed Scott as 270 pounds on Thursday. i think he’s more than that. he made rupp look small.
By the way John Scott is an UFA after this season. His salary is $512,500. Do Rangers dare sign him in the off season? He could make them the toughest team in the league.
Could it be that the Flyers are trying to up the ante for the Rangers?
By signing John Scott, Sather could right his signing of Derek Boogaard (RIP).
If Sauer was healthy I’d say Staal + Brandon for Nash, straight up.
Rangers got where there are with little to no help from those 2 pieces and the salary would pretty much even itself out.
RW- Byfuglien comes with a set of Samsonite luggage, methinks.
Just my uninformed opinion, but however big and tough John Scott is, he can’t play hockey. Have we not been down that road already? Which teams exactly have intimidated the current Rangers line-up, sans one-dimensional goon?
And Drew Stafford at $4m for the next three years would make Dubinsky and his similar deal suddenly look a million times better.
Boom Boom
again it depends on who has to leave to accommodate Nash. For example, when the Devils got Kovalchuk they gave up a top 4 d-man in Oduya, at the time a promising Bergfors, one of their better prospects (although not top 3) in Patrice Cormier and a 1st round pick
Did that trade cripple them in any way shape or form?
Vitaly
i have no idea how Scott is
but do some reading up on the guy.
he might be worth it
or he might be the next Brashear
Salty
if Sauer were healthy, he would be the one being moved. No way are they moving Staal especially since his value has plummeted now…
I saw Scott play alongside D.Boogaard in Minnesota and I thought at the time he was tougher than Boogaard. The thing about Scott that is different than all the other fighters is he is so BIG he doesn’t allow himself to get hit and therefore has less mileage. I don’t think it would be the worst thing in the world to sign Scott and only have him play a hand full of games on the schedule.
Bufuglien I’d absolutely trade for.
Byfuglien iPhone. Byfuglien.
“No way are they moving Staal especially since his value has plummeted now…”
That’s why I’d move him if possible, ASAP. I’d think Dubi/Staal is a more tempting deal for BJs than Dubi/Kreider/Pick.
And while that does “gut our core” so to speak, we have literally been fine without those 2 players all season. And I’m confident Staal will return to form… but Dubi will always be Dubi. He’s had the benefit of playing with world class players his whole career and I enjoy his personality on and off the ice…but he never developed into what we needed him to be. Staal also never became what he was supposed to be. I think the only true risk in moving those guys is a chemistry imbalance…otherwise I don’t think it hurts this Rangers team to swap those 2 for a consistent 60point 27year old.
DJK
maybe you can answer this
i need a new phone
going between a motorola w/ droid
vs.
iphone
thoughts?
and btw,
would love Byfuglien too
especially if it meant that
we put him up near the net
on the pp
like chicago did
to great success
Is there another Byfuglien who doesn’t have a cap hit of $5.2m for the next four years?
iPhone 4S JPG. It’s indispensable.
“Staal also never became what he was supposed to be.”
What was he supposed to be?
Brendan Witt?
Staal is going to be an all-star for a long time, barring further concussions. why would you trade him? You’d have a really good chance to regret that for years and years to come.
Staal is offensively challenged and that will prevent him from being a Norris trophy kinda guy. He is a terrific defensively and a pretty good skater/puckhandler but his shot has always been pretty bad.
No way is he getting traded, nor should he be. Good player, friendly contract…
comment deleted??? alrighty then….
Staal was getting better in the offensive category
last year but his knee/concussion
stalled (sorry) his progress.
i think he’s just returning to normal
and i’m quite happy with Torts keeping him on
the 3rd pair for most of each game.
my only complaint about him
past and present is that there are
times where i wish he’d make a decision quicker
and move the puck in his zone.
seems like there’s a hesitation for a second
or two which leads to him getting hammered
by opposition forward and/or creating trouble
in his zone
Pavel Kubina to Flyers. hahahaha. time to go read their blog….
You beat me to it, LW.
Salty-
What was Staal supposed to become?, he didn’t shut down the best of ‘em consistently enough last year? And he’s just 25.
I don’t get how you’d like to move Staal because he’s a more tempting deal for the BJ’s because his value has plummeted. If he’s more tempting it’s because they believe they’re getting value (buying low) -which means we are selling low, since “confident Staal will return to form”. (Which he will.)
No way I would trade Staal unless it was part of a package that brought in Seabrook, Phaneuf, Suter or Webber.
according to TSN
pavel kubina is going to flyers
Bit late in his career to become a goalie, but I guess Kubina is still an upgrade there.
oops, Stahll ^
doesn’t say on TSN who the flyers gave up to get Kubina.
from last night:
as jpg’s sister and i watched preds suter get deked out of his
skates
i commented that this is the guy that Ranger fans want.
then
on the replay we saw that it was pavel datsyuk
is the one who did the number on suter
and
we both said
“oh, never mind. that doesn’t count. it’s datsyuk.”
I need E & O insurance.
since you are “confident Staal will return to form”
does it matter?
flyers, like pens, seem to be one of those teams
who get much and give away very little.
a rarity when it comes to the Rangers
which is why trade time always makes me nervous!
yep, gave away nothing
Nick Kypreos @RealKyper Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Confirmed. #SNTrade Kubina to #Flyers for a 2nd and 5th round pick. Done.
yeah, jpg, Datsyuk can make anyone look silly….he’s filthy
Kuber’s a Flyer. We didn’t need nor want him.
If Byfuglien is available I’ll pony up what it takes to get him rather than Nash though.
on twitter it states the flyers gave up a 2nd and a 5th round pick for Kubina.
“DJK February 18th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Kuber’s a Flyer. We didn’t need nor want him.
If Byfuglien is available I’ll pony up what it takes to get him rather than Nash though.”
Totally agree, I always liked him as a player when he was with the Blackhawks, big strong, has a ggood shot, good on the power play and can fight.
seems like Flyers are constantly trading picks away….oh well at least their future is getting hit. Kubina is probably an upgrade for them, but not a big difference maker.
Byfuglien>Nash. At least for this team and the way it plays and the need to not derail the rebuild they’ve done. The more I think about Nash and his six years of 7.8 million, the more I think a quality depth player or two might be a lot wiser. Even if we don’t make it to the cup finals with this roster, it’s likely we’ll make it to the conference finals, get these young guys some playoff experience and head into next year with the same mentality and core in tact, add some more youth and maybe a UFA or two and be in a much better situation to compete for the next few years.
Byfuglien either becomes the Rangers’ highest paid (and dubiously able) defenseman or an extremely expensive 15-goal third liner.
Trade Stahl! Smart idea….
no way we get Byfuglien unless one of the main D-men is being traded away in some other deal (Nash? Ryan?)...just doesnt make sense…unless like LW said…he’ll be your 3rd-liner, which is ridiculous.
yea, didn’t realize Byfuglien was making that much money, forget him.
wow, reading the flyers blog and it looks like the flyers have traded Shelley for a 5th rounder and supposedly the Nash talk is hot on going to flyers.
seems every deal involves a second round pick
Tampa 1 Caps 0
tomg he was kidding lol, check the blog again.
yea, he got me, oh well:-)
Byfuglien is a top-pairing D man. He also won the Cup although he was used as a forward in that playoffs. He is also an absolute beast. He’s also young. He has some off ice issues though.
Id target him.
“seems every deal involves a second round pick”
That’s the standard return for the slightly above average rental…
Vancouver 1 Toronto 0. Sedin twins would be nice to have…
Evening all,
Gotta say – all this chatter about trading Marc Staal is absolutely ridiculous.
Carp is right – #18 will be an all-star for years to come, barring concussions
Are you all forgetting the massive strides he made last year? He was becoming a dominant player.
And remember – he is 40 + games behind the rest of the team. Give him some time, folks.
Oh – and if the Rangers can get WTB from WPG without giving up too much and then get Parise on July 1 – that would be something!
2-0 Canucks.
DJK
Iggy, ruutu (if healthy), or hornqvist
Byfuglien -Great size and skill, tremendous during Hawks Cup run. But IMO, mmm no.
The real dilemma is that Nash makes this team a 100% cup contender. Right now I say the hover around 90% because of sometimes missing offense.
I agree Krieder cant be part of any trade however.
i think/hope the Staal talk is
just a bout of boredom
but i am happier with
him not paired with Girardi
the two used to have brainlock
too many times last year
and cover the same man
which left someone open
Toronto worries me in the playoffs
Out of all this “trade” conversations, which I rarely pay any serious attention as unwarranted, empty guesswork, the very verbalized idea of trade Staal really made me mad and doubtful of sanity of some so called Rangers fans, exposed by that. I’m not even talking about rational, practical or technical aspect of that – it’s beyond stupidity, but how the same people, who claim and cherish here, more than anything else, team spirit and identity, camaraderie, developed close relationship with coaching staff, talking now about this trade, sending to ALL team members message, that after hardest in sport injury, anyone is just disposable. Not giving your’s one of the best franchise player, deserving captain assistant, even little time(1.5 month is just nothing) to come back to his proven self, is a travesty and sound even worse, when camouflaged by some, so called, business sense. There is no any. For most cynical, let me state: – High morale IS a big part of team games business, period.
time to finally eat dinner!
so,
to leave you with
is anyone still interested in Paul Stasny
(does he play all three forward positions?)
also
why does it seem as if the Rangers have to give up more
than other teams give up?
and i’m talking about other teams give up pick or two for
a player or 1 for 3
(we’ll see if that happens again this year)
I actually quite like Byfuglien too, but he got horribly overpaid based on half a season of offensive production in his first full-time duty as a defenseman, not because he’s an elite player in that position.
Don Cherry just dubbed the Rangers
“exciting”
not sure what to feel
You sure that wasn’t just Cherry’s attempt at pronouncing “Anisimov”?
LOL- 4ever, I was writing this before I saw your post
As much as people like to toss around their trade scenarios I find no pleasure in it. For me, the trade scenarios are hypothetical but the anguish of making the decisions is real.
Giving up on a player, even in a no brainer trade, which will never come to pass – I can’t do it. I don’t know why.
LW- Cap hit aside, Buff and NYC maybe not a great combo
LOL LW….. Tampa 2 Caps 0
Big game for Tampa. They can still sneak into 3rd place.
Isles up 3-2
Vancouver 3 Toronto 0
flyers traded 4 picks for 2 rental d men.
long term that is how teams become Columbus. Miss on a few picks and boom….
how is the Bryzgalov contract working out.
ALmost no long term (5 year or more deal ) ever work out…. Gabby is in year 3 of 5 I think, his deal will be OK….
Nash really competed today for the CBJ. Bet he shows up tommorrow… The CBJ are not going to move him because there valuation of him is ludicrous… the guy’s contract is a joke…....
Good evening all! Sorry if this has been posted, but since it’s Hockey Weekend in New York, I’m assuming that’s why the Empire State Building is in red, white and blue!!!!! About time!!!!!
Newsflash!! Hockey Night Live tonight. It’s been a while since I’ve seen Ron Du-Gay’s freaky disco clothes.
GO RANGERSSSSSSSSSSS tommorow!!!!
Caps get one back
orr
tampa needs a 6 game winning streak to get back into it
as does toronto
It’s possible, Eric. Especially since it’s the Southeast. All those teams are streaky.
I assume this has been chatted about? Kubina to Philly, who also wants Nash??
I miss when we used to talked aboot Iginla!
Cliff notes on the day anyone?
4-1 Vancouver, Toronto pulls Reimer..
Canucks dont celebrate when they score their goals…only when they will win the cup… not any time soon…btw 5-1.
Today was a trap game for Nash and Vinny.
Seriously though Nash only 15:46, averages 19:21, yeah they got blown out but it looks like they decided to keep him fresh early
“Hey, you might wanna watch your step there bud”
Staal = Kevin Lowe. You don’t trade a guy like that.
Vancouver 6 Toronto 1
Four assists for H.Sedin.
Isles win.
Isles playing the same song NYR plays after they win. Wow! How unoriginal.
From SNY…
According to Eric Francis on CBC, the asking price for Rick Nash is an impact player that can help the team now, two top prospects and a first round pick
Elliotte Freidman says that the Rangers WON’T move Michael Del Zotto or Ryan McDonagh but that they are interested in Nash
Francis says that a deal isn’t likely to happen until the summer
Freidman says that Columbus is trying to push Nash on the Flyers and then plan to send Jeff Carter to LA
Tampa beat Caps.
PAP with 3 assists tonight…
Toronto scores, but Vancouver will win it 6-2.
PAP is one of the best playmakers in the NHL!!
Sad but true!! He can’t into one single club in NYC, though.
That’s true.
Ugh! Billy Jaffe!
Jackets beat writer thinks Nash will get traded to the Rangers.
I’m supposed to meet up with some friends only a couple blocks away but I’m seriously dragging. Complete lack of jam.
Stiffen up, Mister D.
IS THIS THE YEAR?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anIxQbYGoAk
I AM LOVIN’ THIS VIDEO!
Which one, Orr?
Well, now that you asked, Lev, if he’s meeting a girl, then he should stiffen up downstairs, as well as upstairs.
Portzline, Lev.
Ohhh, you wanted to know the writer! Whoops!
Oh no! Stan Fischler coming up!
LOL!
thanks, NYR
Wife is already in bed. There is no stiffening required at all.
Stan Fischler won an Emmy for five for Fischler? Is that a joke??
Fischler has Quick winning the Vezina.
ORR,
That means Hank’s odds just went up!
unfortunately not Orr, http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2011/04/05/sports/doc4d9a65736a2d3182399439.txt
LOL! True!
Jeez! Two Emmy’s? He’s no true professional, I’ll tell you that!
Evening gang.
Been busy all day. Did we traded half the team for Nash yet?
Slats traded Kreider for a toupee that matches Sam Rosen’s natural hair color. That’s aboot it…
Friends decided on the kind of place Erik Christensen would like*, I’m going to bed. Lets hope I wake up Nashless.
Only that? Bah, that’s nothing.
As for that Nash guy…a read. The bigger question for me comes at the end of the story. Do I spring for the show or not?
Sigh. Late night work for me and I’m all alone….hartnell.
and that’s a satty hatty….
Funny thing is PA Parenteau still doesn’t even crack a Tortorella coached lineup. Same story with Zuccarello, put him on Columbus right now and he probably plays at a near point per game pace..
Funny thing is PA Parenteau still doesn’t even crack a Tortorella coached lineup. Same story with Zuccarello, put him on Columbus and he probably becomes one of their best players instantly…
Philly acquired Nash for some of Hartnell’s hair clippings and laces from Pronger’s skates. Good trade.
Columbus probably gets some lice in that deal. The lice is probably more talented than the team.
does the fact that Philly wanted Nash make you not want him?
Who was that interviewing Toes?, yum!
MZA, Dubi, Bourque or Thomas, Bickel or VTank and a 1st for Nash
Terrible offer!
BBB-
Enough with the peaking, of course playing your best hockey when the playoffs start is huge. But teams can also spike and bumrush another team in the first round. Look at the Rangers-Hawks game as a microcosmic example. There’s no toeing the water, you’d better come out hard and fast or your done.
They can have the speeding ticket I got today in exchange for Nash. That’s all I’m willing to give up.
yes, anything for Hartnell’s hair is too much.
Can February 27, 2012 at 3 pm EST get here already?
Exactly what I’ve been thinking.
AdamRotter Buzz: Columbus Was Watching The Whale http://t.co/CIZqZxVg
Ruh roh! Redden?
I knew they wanted Redden. We should trade Redden for Hartnell’s hair and a corn dog.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO anyone but Redden
Carp,
Still like the “idea” of having Nash but I fear the ghost of NY Rangers circa 1998. Also, I thought there were 3 years of 7.8 million left…not six years. Don’t sell the farm to by that contract.
*buy
Have I already said this about MDZ? Calling him an “offensive defensman” is a misnomer.
MDZ is fast becoming a complete hockey player.
Orr- You’ve got NYR_FAN in a deep sweat.
Mickey, I got several parking infractions waiting to be paid…..:) I may give those up…Oh, Feb. 27th, dang you be over already!
Haha! Yeah, he’s probably at Home Depot picking up some kidnapping equipment. Ride on down to Connecticut and capture the little guy. It’ll be like that scene in Rocky II, where Rocky is trying to catch that chicken.
We need speed! Speed is what we need! Greasy fast speeed!
agreed, dde. right now he’s better defensively than offensively.
Why am I and you all still up!? Oy….niters all. Got a kitty, Stanley, all over me….now, where is (other kitty) Cup? TA! LGR!
nothing like rebuilding a franchise in Columbus by acquiring Sean Avery
Well, at least they’d dress better….I think…
RE:Staal
Although Staal has been a stand out shut down defenseman, he certainly hasn’t developed offensively as he was described on his way in. Sure, I agree he is VERY good defensively and that he could be an All Star for years to come, barring concussions. The one he had was no softy, another could be devastating. I don’t need to remind anyone what an issue it is anymore.
The team was fine without him through the first half. Obviously, I like Marc Staal a lot – but the fact that he was ultimately not missed through the first half of the season definitely says something. There is also no guarantee he stays healthy/returns to form/develops further.
Just thinking aloud. Staal still makes me nervous, there is an uncertainty about him and his game right now. Clearly I want nothing more than a LETHAL team. This season has been amazing so far.
5v5, Byfuglien is on the ice for a goal against more per 60 than his team scores. He’s a sieve defensively.
Funny thing is PA Parenteau still doesn’t even crack a Tortorella coached lineup. Same story with Zuccarello, put him on Columbus right now and he probably plays at a near point per game pace..
***
I’m sure the Isles would swap places with the Rangers in the standings if it meant giving PAP bottom 6 minutes rather than top line minutes.
Nobody on Columbus is on a point per game pace, not even the almighty Rick Nash. What makes you think Zucc would be that good?
Columbus was probably checking out Erixon, Hobbit Wizard (can’t do the font), and maybe JAM.
lol can’t do the font Hobbit Wizard
You need to enroll in Hogwarts.
ThenYou’ll BeEliteMagicalCarp – MDZ’s had a couple of pretty good passes to Cally lately ;) and I love the way he’s jumping the rush. Artie had an awesome goal but he can’t fake a pass if MDZ wasn’t driving.
I think he’s abandoned the stupid notion (IMO) of PP QB (always looking that make that setup pass) and is learning to attack, shoot and be a general threat.
Defensively, I think he separates the opponent from the puck along the boards as well as anyone.
That said, Newsflash! Red Herring!