Blackhawks at Rangers tonight

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Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

NEW YORK RANGERS vs. CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
Thursday, Feb. 16, 7:00 p.m.
Madison Square Garden — New York, NY
Rangers: 37-13-5 (79 pts)
Blackhawks: 29-21-7 (65 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Feb. 14

TONIGHT’S GAME
The Rangers will face-off against the Chicago Blackhawks at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.; TV: MSG Network; Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio), in an Original Six match-up. The Blueshirts currently sit atop the Eastern Conference standings, and rank second in the league overall, with a record of 37-13-5 (79 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Boston Bruins, 3-0, on Tuesday at TD Garden to extend their winning streak to four games, and have now won eight of their last 10 games. The Blueshirts are 20-5-1 in their last 26 games, dating back to Dec. 17, and have registered at least one point in 37 of their last 47 games since Oct. 29 (34-10-3) after beginning the season with a 3-3-2 mark. The Blackhawks enter the contest with a 29-21-7 (65 pts) record to rank sixth in the Western Conference, and have lost their last nine games (0-8-1). Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the Columbus Blue Jackets on Sunday, Feb. 19, at Madison Square Garden (8:00 p.m.).

RANGERS vs. BLACKHAWKS:
* All-Time: 236-241-98-2 overall (120-113-55-0 at home; 116-128-43-2 on the road)
* 2011-12: Tonight is the first of two meetings this season, and the first and only at Madison Square Garden.
* Last Season: New York was 1-0-0 overall (1-0-0 at home; 0-0-0 on the road), following a 3-2 win in their only meeting on Nov. 1 at Madison Square Garden. Brandon Dubinsky led the team with two goals, while Ryan Callahan and Artem Anisimov tallied a team-high, two assists apiece. Henrik Lundqvist stopped 33 of 35 shots in the contest.
* The Blueshirts have registered at least one point in each of their last seven meetings with the Blackhawks, posting a record of 4-0-1-2 over the span. New York’s last regulation loss to Chicago was Dec. 11, 2002 (3-4).
* The Rangers have won their last three contests vs. the Blackhawks at Madison Square Garden, out-scoring Chicago, 9-5, during the stretch. The Blueshirts last home loss to the Blackhawks was on Dec. 11, 2002 (3-4).
* New York ranks sixth with an 18-6-2 (38 pts) record at home; Chicago ranks 23rd with a 10-15-3 (23 pts) mark on the road
* The Rangers are 1-1-0 vs. the Central Division; the Blackhawks are 2-2-0 vs. the Atlantic Division
* New York lists no former Blackhawks on their roster
* Chicago lists no former Rangers on their roster

INDIVIDUAL CAREER LEADERS vs. BLACKHAWKS:
* Henrik Lundqvist — 6 GP, 4-0-2, 1.80 GAA
* Martin Biron — 6 GP, 2-2-1-0, 3.24 GAA
* Brad Richards — 19 GP, 2-24-26
* Marian Gaborik — 25 GP, 12-14-26
* Brandon Dubinsky — 3 GP, 4-2-6
* Anton Stralman — 13 GP, 1-6-7

SPECIAL TEAMS:
The Rangers have tallied five power play goals in the last four games, posting a 38.5% success rate over the span (5-13). The Blueshirts penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in the last three games (seven times shorthanded), and 17 of the last 22 games (54-59, 91.5% over the span). The Rangers are tied for third in the NHL with seven shorthanded goals. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 19-1-2 in games when tallying a power play goal, and are 27-6-2 when not allowing a power play goal.
* Power Play: The Rangers tallied one goal in one power play attempt (0:48) on Tuesday at Boston. New York ranks 25th overall (28-189, 14.8%) and is tied for 19th at home (16-99, 16.2%). The Rangers are 2-12 (8:51) in five-on-three situations (last – 12/23 vs. PHI), and 1-6 (8:52) when four-on-three (last – 2/1 at BUF). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore); 12/17 at PHX (Korpikoski).
* Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Bruins scoreless in one power play attempt (1:50) on Tuesday at Boston. New York ranks fifth overall (157-180, 87.2%) and eighth at home (67-78, 85.9%). The Rangers are 6-7 (4:07) in three-on-five situations (last – 2/1 at BUF), and 1-2 (1:39) when three-on-four (last – 2/1 at BUF). Shorthanded goals for (7): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan); 12/20 at NJD (Hagelin); 1/6 at PIT (Dubinsky); 2/12 vs. WSH (Prust).
* Four-on-Four: New York tallied a goal in two four-on-four situations (4:00) on Tuesday at Boston. The Rangers are plus-six in 56 four-on-four situations (105:06), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (7): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi); 1/2 vs. FLA (Gaborik); 2/9 vs. TBL (Stepan); 2/9 vs. TBL (Richards); 2/14 at BOS (Anisimov). Four-on-four goals allowed (1): 2/9 vs. TBL (Lecavalier).

BACK-TO-BACKS
The Rangers completed their ninth of 14 scheduled back-to-back sets this season with a 3-2 win on Sunday vs. Washington. New York has posted a record of 7-0-2 (3-0-0 at home, 4-0-2 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 7-1-1 (5-0-0 at home, 2-1-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 28-9-3 in the second game of back-to-backs, with a 14-3-1 mark at MSG and 14-6-2 on the road over the span. Henrik Lundqvist has started on consecutive days 57 times in his career, posting a record of 36-14-7 with a 1.82 GAA, .935 Sv% and six shutouts in the second game. The Rangers’ next back-to-back set is Feb. 24 at Long Island and Feb. 25 vs. Buffalo.

ORIGINAL SIX SINCE 2005-06
New York has posted a record of 50-29-12 against Original Six teams since 2005-06, including a 4-0-2 mark vs. Chicago over the span. The Rangers’ .615 win% over the span ranks third, trailing Detroit (.681, 44-19-6) and Montreal (.614, 75-45-12), and ahead of Boston (.515, 59-55-20), Toronto (.500, 56-56-18) and Chicago (.493, 29-30-11).

HOME SWEET HOME
The Blueshirts’ 18-6-2 (38 pts) mark at MSG is their best start at home through 26 games since 1995-96 (19-2-5, 43 pts).

PLACE IN HISTORY
The Rangers’ .718 win% through 55 games is the team’s best start in 39 years, when the 1972-73 Blueshirts began the season with a 38-13-4 record (.727 win%), and is tied as the second best start in franchise history. *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau

BENCH BOSS
Head Coach John Tortorella registered his 131st win as Rangers’ head coach with a 3-0 win on Tuesday at Boston to move into a tie with Herb Brooks for sixth on the Rangers’ all-time coaching wins list. His .586 win% currently ranks second on the Rangers’ all-time coaching win% list.

MEASURING UP
The Rangers rank among the NHL leaders in several statistical categories…
* 2nd in points (79)
* 1st in win% (.718)
* 2nd in wins (37)
* 1st in regulation/overtime wins (34)
* 1st in fewest regulation losses (13)
* 1st in fewest goals against (106)
* 2nd in GAA (1.93)
* 1st in hits (1,650)
* 3rd in blocked shots (929)
* 2nd in +/- rating (plus-42)
* 3rd in goal differential (plus-46)

QUICK HITS:
* This is the latest the Rangers have been in first place of the Eastern Conference standings since the 1995-96 season, when New York held the top position through games played on Mar. 15, 1996 (NYR game #68). *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau
* New York has registered at least one point in 37 of their last 47 games (34-10-3), dating back to Oct. 29, after beginning the season with a 3-3-2 mark
* New York is 13-1-2 when leading after the first period and 23-0-2 when leading after the second
* The Rangers are tied for second in the league with a .286 win% when trailing after two periods (4-9-1), and their four third period comeback victories are tied for eighth in the NHL; New York has trailed entering the third period in 14 games this season, which is the fewest in the league
* New York leads the NHL with a .792 win% when out-shooting their opponent (19-5-0)
* The Rangers lead the league when scoring first, posting a 27-1-2 mark (.900 win%) in those contests; Their 27 wins are tied for second in the NHL

THE HOT LIST:
* Henrik Lundqvist is 7-1-0 with a 1.10 GAA, .960 Sv% and three shutouts in his last eight games
* Lundqvist has allowed one goal or less in 12 of his last 22 games, and has held opponents to two or fewer goals in 30 games this season
* Martin Biron has held opponents to two or fewer goals in eight of his 13 starts this season
* Ryan Callahan enters the contest with a four-game goal streak (six goals over the span), and has tallied 11 points (nine goals, two assists) in the last 12 games
* Marian Gaborik has tallied 15 points (four goals, 11 assists) in the last 13 games
* Brad Richards tallied six points (one goal, five assists) in the last six games, with five points (one goal, four assists) in the last four
* Derek Stepan has tallied six points (one goal, five assists) in the last six games
* Michael Del Zotto has tallied seven points (two goals, five assists) in the last nine games
* Artem Anisimov has tallied six points (three goals, three assists) in the last six games
* Carl Hagelin has tallied eight points (one goal, seven assists) in the last 12 games

MILESTONES APPROACHING:
* Ryan Callahan: 1 goal from 100 NHL career
* Steve Eminger: 5 points from 100 NHL career

MILESTONES RECENTLY ACHIEVED:
* Artem Anisimov: 100th career NHL point (2/14 at BOS)

INJURIES:
* Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) — 31
* Ruslan Fedotenko (injured, 2/9) — 3
Total Man-Games Lost: 170

RECENT TRANSACTIONS:
* Feb. 15 — Defenseman Jeff Woywitka and forward Wojtek Wolski returned from their conditioning stint with Connecticut (AHL)

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  1. BTW…. LGR’S!!

    In all my years of going to Ranger games….tonight will be the first time I get to sit in a skybox. Really looking forward to that experience. Hope Hank gets the start!

  2. MSG Network running Linqvist add in today’s paper. Totally disrespectful of Hank. 7 years leading NYR trumped by 7 days leading NYK.

  3. Good morning all! CT, thanks for making my spit out my coffee in laughter. Dang, I’m behind the nash ball. C3 and I started nashing last night…and that just came out totally all wrong.

    Happy 26th Miami!! Hope you have a bush league day.

  4. Cant wait for this Linsanity to end….all of this for a 500 team while we have ruled the world the whole season…sucks…its bettmans fault…

  5. Rob C, we all understand. Things do even out. While the Rangers will be involved in long playoff run, Lin and the Knicks will have long since been planning their tee times.

  6. stranger nation on

    IMO Rick Nash is a solid 30 G/60 pt power forward, but this is starting to get redonkalous – check ou this comment about flyers getting in the mix. It must be true, it was on the internet!

    Pierre LeBrun wrote in ESPN.com’s Daily Debate that he expects the Rangers and Kings to be involved, but also pondered the possibility of the Philadelphia Flyers being in the mix. Any offer from Flyers GM Paul Holmgren probably would include *some (or all) of the team’s three young forwards — James van Riemsdyk, Brayden Schenn and Sean Couturier* — and maybe goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky, as well.

    That is crazy – I would take JvR and Schenn over here in second. Hope that deal happens, for NYR fans sake. Holmgren is aggressive in the market that’s for sure, maybe he’ll save Sather from making a bad deal involving Kreider, Miller, Step or any of our young D.

  7. There’s a certain portion of the Flyers fanbase that’s ready to drive JvR to the airport. Personally I think they raised his salary a little too quickly, but this is Holmgren we’re talking about.

  8. That’s quite a package there, stranger. I also hope it happens. Definitely trade away Bryzgalov’s backup!

    Roenick wrote an article saying that the Blackhawks are so desperate for a goalie they would trade PATRICK KANE for one. That I thought was also insanity.

  9. I would also love for the Flyers to give up a few key assets for Nash. In no way does that solve any of their problems.

  10. Normally you’d have to be afraid of the Hawks on any given night, but man are they in a rough patch. Toews hasn’t scored in 8 games and that kills them.

    I hope they turn it around….after tonight!!!!

    Oh yeah…NASHsanity!

  11. the Rangers will never be as popular as the Knicks regardless of their records although as a die hard Rangers fan, I will be the first to admit the Jeremy Lin story is so much more compelling than the Rangers being the best team in the NHL all season and that Lundqvist is having one of the best goaltending seasons in NHL history.

    Not only did Lin come out of obscurity to be the first Asian-American star athlete in the history of our country (plus he went to Harvard of all places to feed into the whole Asian thing) but he transformed the Knicks from laughing stock to contender overnight and brought back so many people that turned their back on the Knicks after Ewing left.

  12. stranger nation on

    Manny – consider the source, (supposively).

    Trade the Universe’s back-up would be the best deal for the Rangers!!! (What about Bob?)

  13. Oleosmirf, agreed. However, the Knicks have played lousy teams and are 15-15. The Rangers will be playing when the Knicks have been long since eliminated.

  14. Amen, Stranger. Trade the backup. I can’t wait to see who the Phlyers put in net if Bob is gone.

    Baby steps, Stranger. Baby Steps.

  15. No Nash, hope he goes to the kings and if the flyers want to give all that up than I hope he goes to the flyers.

  16. Again, stay away Nash and your 8 mil cap hit. I don’t understand the love affair some ranger fans have with a guy who scored 70 points once in his NHL and making 8 mil a year. I don’t want to hear the nonsense that Nash has nobody around him. Great players make players around him better.

  17. stranger nation on

    Top 30 Goal Scorers since beginning of 2008 season.

    1. Alex Ovechkin (161), Steven Stamkos, Patrick Marleau, Ilya Kovalchuk, Corey Perry
    6. *Jarome Iginla* (132), Phil Kessel, Jeff Carter, Daniel Sedin, *Rick Nash*
    11. Dany Heatley (123), *Bobby Ryan*, Thomas Vanek, Sidney Crosby, Eric Staal
    16. Jonathan Toews (118), Alexander Semin, Evgeni Malkin, Loui Eriksson, Marian Hossa
    21. Ryan Kesler (110), Alexandre Burrows, Patrick Sharp, *Zach Parise* ,Martin St. Louis
    26. *Marian Gaborik* (104), Teemu Selanne, Anze Kopitar, James Neal, Jason Spezza

    Last 3+ yrs better indicator of future performance than career stats. Realize Parise was out, but you have to factor that in the mix. tough to score from the trainer’s room.

  18. ANF

    because of the lockout, the first round of the NBA playoffs wont be starting until May so the Knicks might able to outlast the Rangers even if the Rangers advance a round further…

  19. Oleosmirf

    True, but the Rangers would be in the second round of the playoffs. Assuming the Rangers at least go to the conference finals, it should be enough to outlast the Knicks.

  20. stranger nation on

    tomg – great centers make good forwards great (see forwards playing with Gretz). With wingers you are more dependent on your center to get opportunities.

    Nash still has scored with 10th most goals in the last 3 years and most would have trouble naming his centers during that time, let alone anyone else on that roster.

    If we can get him without giving up too much, we have to be in the conversation.

  21. stranger,

    So you’re saying they should go after Jeff Carter too?

    Just kidding, well only kind of.

    I don’t know if I you saw something I reposted from Blueshirt Banter, but basically I posted a list of the number of people that have consistently scored a minimum of 30 G/70 pts from ages 28-33 (the same ages and amount of years that remain on Nash’s deal). The list was for all time in the NHL. Let’s put it this way, only 2 guys have scored that many goals and points for all 6 years. And a 30+ goal/70 pts year is a *good year* for Rick Nash. So the expectation of him keeping up what is an above average year for him for more than a season or two going forward is pretty minimal.

  22. Nash Brownies?

    It’s so good to be on the other side of the coin for once in a long time where the Hawks are fighting for their playoff lives and the Rangers are sitting on top of the world! {knock on wood}

  23. Stranger- I am sure we are in the conversation because I am sure Nash(er) put us on the list of teams he would waive that NMC to go to.

  24. I like Nash as a player and think he would fit in well here. But his contract is just way too much like Alexei Nashin.

  25. Only time the Rangers were close to being as popular was after the 94 Cup, and they lost it all because of the lockout.

    Also, Nash.

  26. That’s the biggest issue, Nash’s contract, the all of of all Cap Killers. That’s the only reason I don’t want him. If the rangers get Nash than everything the rangers organization has built to this point will be dismantled in a few years because they won’t be able to fit there young players up for contracts under the cap. People don’t realize that it’s possible the cap could be less in the new CBA.

  27. Morning all,

    Linqvist,

    Are you serious?

    How in the Cooke is this kid Lin being thought of on the same level as The King?

    MSG hype machine runnin’ on all cylinders

    Except – one team only has 15 wins – and one team only has 13 losses

    Guess which one has the best chance of winning a championship?

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

  28. I’m actually 95% confident that the rangers won’t get Nash anyway because the players the Bluejackets want don’t fit. The Jackets want a goaltender, plus a few young nhl players. The kings and the flyers have those assets.

  29. The Rangers are the favorites to win the Stanley Cup, and yet everyone here is carping about the Knickerbockers. Inferiority abound …

  30. Don’t we want Dolan to be fixated on the Knicks rather than the Rangers? That’s worth the price of Linsanity alone.

    Besides, I don’t follow a sport because it’s popular. Otherwise I’d follow Nascar and watch the World Series of Poker more.

  31. Nash’s contract really isn’t that big of an issue. Yes, for the 2013-14 season you will have to clear cap space but its not like you have to do what Chicago did. We will have to lose 2 forwards and 1 d-man however we’re not talking about hugely important players here. We are talking about Dubinsky, Anisimov, Sauer and Mike Rupp being replaced by cheap veterans or entry level guys.

    You lose one of Dubinsky and Anisimov now and the other three you lose 2 offseasons from now. Not anything substantial here…

  32. stranger nation on

    CTB – agree production wanes after 28, if his contract had 3 yrs at $7.8, much more attractive – the deal’s length is the killer (see Richards, Brad for example of long term contract which will be an anvil around this club’s neck)

    I would add to the core with a young productive winger that can develop over next year or two for Erixon who doesn’t have a Top 4 spot, making $2M/yr next season as a 3rd pair Dman.

    Erixon, Doobie, Thomas, Woolski for Ryan

  33. The Rangers are my favorite to win the Stanley Cup – in that it would be my favorite winner of the Stanley Cup. I am still scared about winning and I hate being favored.

  34. If Nash was a consistent 40 G 80+ point guy I wouldn’t have as much of an issue. But he’s never really been that guy and the chances of him even being a 70 pt guy going forward are slim.

  35. Nash’s contract isn’t a big deal, we can just dump Dubinsky, Anisimov and Sauer within the next few seasons to compensate … what? 2013-14 will be Anisimov’s age 25 season.

  36. Lin is simply a marketing tool that MSG is utilizing to market another one of their products; I have no problem with that. Who knows if Linmania will stand the test of time? I don’t follow basketball but I thought it was kind of interesting that the Knicks were winning these games despite not having two of their self-proclaimed superstars in the lineup. Maybe basketball can be a team sport! I will say that of this 7-game Lin streak, the only team of note that they’ve beaten is the Lakers (and based on their record, the Lakers aren’t that good). Let it run its course. Enough B-ball talk, Lets Go Rangers!

  37. stranger nation on

    Oleo – it is not the amount of the contract that is the killer, but the *value* of how those dollars are spent – we could have a 60pts/Richards/$7M and 25G/Nash/$8M. $15M 2 players on downside of career with decreasing productivity.

  38. So for anyone that thinks we should go after Carter, all my Flyers friends said the reason why Carter was shipped out other than just the “Dry Island” incident is because he got into it with Laviolette since Lavy actually made him work hard and held him accountable. Once they let Stevens go, he couldn’t just coast around and not work hard.

    So him and Lavy clashed and Lavy wanted him gone since he didn’t have a good work ethic.

    Does this sound like a player we would want to have in Torts’ locker room? If he couldn’t get along with Lavy, forget about him getting along with Torts.

  39. Last year I would have said “get Carter” only because of his skating ability in the 4-on-4. Now, we are really good at 4-on-4 hockey and we don’t need a lackadaisical guy like Carter on this team.

  40. Vinny – Utah isn’t terrible, nor is Minnesota. Not great, but good and athletic. Lin won’t score as many points and is definitely being used as a marketing tool (it is a business after all), but he’s legit. Won’t be getting 20 a night, but I could see him getting 15-8 once they get Melo back…that is if Melo commits to fitting in and not continuing to be a ball stopper.

  41. stranger nation

    yes but Gaborik leaves the year after and so that’s 7.5 mil coming off the books. Hopefully by then the Rangers will have finally developed their own young star players who haven’t reached free agency so they wont have to give out any other big contracts.

  42. I’m pretty sure we’d re-sign Gaby for 2-3 years at much less money. If we trade away prospects, most of them would be the guys that would take Gaby’s place. Example, if we’d let Gaby walk, we’d hope Kreider could be that scorer that could fill in. However if we deal him, then what?

  43. But Columbus is demanding the jewels of the Rangers prospect/farm system to get Nash, so those young guns will be playing somewhere else by that point.

  44. Catch 22 with Gaborik after his deal is up.

    If he stays productive (even like low 30 G, 60 pts) they’ll probably still be a strong bid for his services. Maybe not $7.5M like he is now but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a goal starved team throw him another 5 year deal (he’ll be 32 by then). Unless it’s like for $2M a year, I don’t want to see what Gaborik plays like at 37.

    If he tails off over the next two years, well you probably don’t want to re-sign him then.

  45. Manny,

    Can’t be afraid of being the favorite

    The Rangers are well coached and have great leadership in the room

    They’re taking this thing one game at a time – which is a philosophy that works quite well with a team as young as this

    No “head in the clouds” thinking is allowed in that room

    Callahan – as well as B Rich and Marc Staal – are doing a phenomenal job

    Rest easy

  46. Wicky©Proud owner of the world's most persistent cold on

    Ha, a tweet from the guy that covers the bluejackets saying Nash, carter and tyutin all strangely missing from practice!!

  47. CT – agreed, but I think we could probably get him for maybe 4 mil for 3 years or something. Or maybe keep him for 2 years so he can sign a deal still under the age for 35 with other teams that will allow him to retire and not count against the teams cap.

    Plus with the new CBA, I’m intrigued to see what new contract details will be in there, especially in regards to bonuses and all that.

  48. Wicky©Proud owner of the world's most persistent cold on

    Aaron Portzline @Aportzline Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
    #CBJ Rick Nash, Jeff Carter and Fedor Tyutin absent from practice this morning. Checking.

  49. I think Gaborik is going to want a retirement contract for his next deal, especially if he’s still a 30G guy.

  50. Ben- I am still scared but I will try my hardest. I am the kind of guy that sits nervously on the floor forgetting to breath during big games. I put my entire basket of emotional issues into rooting for my team(s)

  51. @Aportzline: #CBJ GM Scott Howson watching practice this morning, so I don’t think anything is imminent regarding captain Rick Nash.

  52. stranger nation on

    Gravy – if you find yourself closer to the fence, don’t leave the gate open…

    Manu – don’t be scared, Rupper is there and no CABER!

    Oleo – Gabby gone or not, those contracts are killers, especially if B Rich continues his impersonation of a one dimensional center.

  53. Am I allowed to panic and think “what if McDonagh is actually the centerpiece of the deal with Tyutin also coming back to “offset” his loss”?

  54. Tyutin: It’s ok baby, I’m a professional athlete
    Ohio State girl: There’s a professional team in Columbus?

  55. “Lund-sanity” just doesn’t sound right. “Linsanity” works because Lin sounds like “in”
    Plus, it’s like we are borrowing a name for lundqvist from a crappy sport.

    Maybe all of you creative thinkers can come up with a better name for the king…after reading all the Marchand nose jokes the other night, I am confident someone can come up with something.

  56. Aaron Portzline @Aportzline

    Agent for #CBJ captain Rick Nash says he’s unaware of a reason why Nash wouldn’t be skating. Appears to be a maintenance day.

  57. Doodie Machetto on

    Kubina being held out of practice and games pending trade. He has been asked for a list of teams he would waive his NTC for.

    Reasons why Rangers might trade for him:

    1) Right handed defenseman
    2) Torts knows him/won Cup with him
    3) Big dude

    Reasons why Rangers shouldn’t trade for him:

    1) Pylon
    2) No longer has the offensive abilities he once had
    3) Spare part if/when Sauer returns

    Please no Kubina.

  58. Manny,

    I’ve paced the floor a few times myself this year – especially for the Orange Crud games

    Just don’t give yourself a heart attack along the way – could be 4 months of hockey to go

    Deep breaths, man

  59. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Chris –

    The Rangers are NOT favored to win the Stanley Cup, Boston still is. I posted the lastest Las Vegas and offshore odds here, yesterday. There is no source you can cite where the Rangers are now Stanley Cup favorites. Put facts out there or don’t put anything out there, and, above all, don’t think people are not wise to the facts and that you can pull the wool over their eyes.

  60. i know, rangers are not favored to win the cup. red wings, boston and vancouver are probably all deeper right now. no one “favors” the rangers.

  61. Doodie Machetto on

    Re: Linqvist,

    I get why MSG is doing that. They aren’t trying to get existing Rangers fans excited. They are trying to get Knicks fans that aren’t hockey fans excited.

    To us, it’s disparaging for them to make that kind of a comparison. But to a guy who doesn’t know jack about hockey, it might make them wonder why they are comparing that guy to Lin. So he looks up Lundqvist and sees, “wow, the Rangers are in first place? Lundqvist is the best goaltender in the league?” and he can jump on the 1994-style bandwagon.

    Doesn’t excuse the comparison, but at least I understand it.

    What DOES excuse the comparison a little bit is Dubinsky comparing himself to Lin:

    “BDubi17 Gonna have to pick up a #17 Knicks jersey and get to a game!! DuLINsky???”

    Have some Byfuglien pride Dubi.

  62. stranger nation

    Every single big contract given out to a player over the age of 26 is a “bad contract” and at some point there will be a point where the player is no longer worth anywhere near that.

    The hope is that they tail off as late as possible. Luckily the salary cap is high enough where you can have 1 or 2 of those and still be perfectly ok. Its when you have 3+ monster contracts then it starts to hurt.

  63. Good point, ben. I actually have a pacemaker so….you know….I am probably safe from the heart attack. It’s more the “breaking-things-that-my-wife-thinks-are-important” that I worry about!

  64. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    As of this moment, at http://www.betonline.com, as reliable as source as any out there, the SC championship odds are:

    1. Boston – 5-1

    2. NYR – 11/2
    2. Van – 11/2
    2. Det – 11/2

    Rangers are not favored, right now, and have plenty of company and competition at the near the top, as you can see.

  65. NHL Blue Jackets @BlueJacketsNHL

    #CBJ Interim Head Coach Todd Richards confirms that Rick Nash, Jeff Carter, Fedor Tyutin & Derek Dorsett were given maintenance days today.

  66. with the way the regular season has unfolded for the rangers and there rise to the top of the conference at the moment in my opinion to validate this regular season the rangers need to make the conf finals. winning two rounds in the playoffs is a MUST.

    its not fair to say stanley cup or bust when this team is coming into its own right now and should be contenders for years to come.

    make the final four and hopefully we get lucky and win the cup. it will take luck along the way. just ask the new york giants

  67. no chance the rangers trade Mcdonagh. NONE.

    the guy is 22, playing 25 minutes a game effectively.

    the nonsense on this site is amazing. oleasmirf with we can get rid of these 5 guys over the next 2 years and see we will not have any cap issues is lunacy.

    NAsh is too expensive in contract and pieces Columbus wants….NO NO NO

  68. the good news is gabbys contract is up when he is 32………….

    the richards contract will start hurting big time in 2 or 3 years max……..

    notice detroit, pittsburgh, and other elite franchises do not get into these bidding war trade for star contracts nonsense……….

  69. stranger nation on

    Rangers/Detroit would be a classic – two original 6 teams – it would be Lunbelievable and completely Lundforgettable.

  70. It must be tough for Dubinsky to have pride when he has not done for the Rangers in years what that kid has done for the Knickerbockers in 7 games.

  71. Trading your first-pair shutdown D-man with super wheels and instincts and size for a first-line, older winger makes zero sense.

    Love the nash-isms. Did youse know that the Hartford Whalers had a line called Stash-Dash-Bash (Blaine Stoughton, Mike Rogers, Pat Boutette)?

  72. I think it’s cool that Dubi and the other Rangers are supporting the Knicks. The Knicks have showed up at Rangers games too. One of the big things between the Knicks and Rangers for the last 10-15 years was that they didn’t get along with each other. Both teams stunk too so that didn’t help.

    Back in 94, you had Rangers going to Knicks games and vice-versa (remember Messier walking through MSG in game 6 with the Cup). So it’s good to see that back again.

  73. plus, remember, these Rangers are just kids who get free tickets to sit in the front row(s) of Knicks games and get introduced to the crowd. Of course they’re going to be into it.

  74. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Mister D –

    I/we can always count on uninformed/ silly input such as your statement that “Vegas odds reflect who the bettors think will win, not an objective analysis of the odds.”

    In fact, Las Vegas and offshore odds reflect how the flow of money on the various contenders (and non-contenders) is going, always modified from the sharp opening line the Vegas books offer to keep themselves in business, because if the opening line were “soft” the books would be out of business in a week.

    What you are missing is the fact that there is a strong – almost perfect – correlation between the odds being offered, and the chances of any given propostion – says odds on a hockey team winning it all, that is posted at all times. And it makes perfect sense. No team pulling 10 of the win pool money is going to be offered at 20-1 odds by the books. And no team pulling 5 per cent of the win pool money is going to be offered at 3-1 odds.

    The books are in the business of offering accurate odds reflecting real world winning chances, and they take their percentage cut out of that by offering somewhat lower odds than real world odds. So that right now Las Vegas is giving the Rangers 1 chance is 6, or 5-1 odds, of winning the Stanley Cup, which, were there no house rake, would be closer to 1 chance in 8, or 7-1 odds = 12 1/2 per cent.

    You go against the Vegas books, modified by the public flow of money (which includes heavy, insider play) at your peril and at immense cost to your bankroll, over time.

  75. It must be tough for Dubinsky to have pride when he has not done for the Rangers in years what that kid has done for the Knickerbockers in 7 games.

    ***

    Huh? Didn’t he lead the team in scoring last year? Score the GWG in the only playoff game they won.

    Let’s see the Knicks not be a complete joke for once this decade and then we can say whether the Linsanity is worth the hype.

  76. I think it’s cool too Jonny D that the Knicks support the Rangers, and the Rangers support the Knicks. That’s the way it should be. The bruins support the celtics, patriots, and red sox, and each of the other teams do likewise. They adjust start times of games for the other teams. That’s the way it’s meant to be.

  77. Doodie Machetto on

    The Penguins don’t get in bidding wars? Marian Hossa ring a bell? Penguins also traded a couple of picks for Hal Gill at the deadline they traded for Hossa. The next year they dumped Ryan Whitney for Chris Kunitz’s long contract. Last year they traded for James Neal.

    As for Detroit, they usually don’t get into these wars because the usually don’t need any players. But they’ve done their fair share. Brad Stuart comes quickly to mind. They traded for Bertuzzi at a deadline. They also were interested in Hossa (and ended up signing him that offseason).

  78. Game Winning Goals is the stat you are stooping to using?

    24 goals is something you are going to put on a pedestal?

  79. Update from TSN.ca

    Update: During Thursday morning’s skate, defenceman Pavel Kubina was held off the ice to protect the team’s interests. The veteran has been asked for teams he would be willing to be deal to.

  80. They also got Ponikarovsky a couple of years ago.

    Shero has had a mixed bag of trade results. Neal and Niskanen for Goligoski was a big win for him though.

    And in the FA market, Martin is a bit of an overpay as is Michalek. But they’ve drained the high end of their prospect pool in trades.

    Luckily they have the big 5 (when healhty) of Crosby/Malkin/Staal/Letang/MAF to pretty much make them a perennial contender regardless of the complimentary pieces.

  81. Wicky©Proud owner of the world's most persistent cold on

    I really (due to this phenomenal head cold) haven’t been indulging in the Nash/roster issues speculation, sooooo

    I don’t think cap is an issue now or in a couple of years..

    I try and move sauer (when healthy), dubi (salary amount), AA (roster spot, if this kreider kid is what most of you say he is) from the “active roster”.

    WW is a goner one way or another. I would trade bjork (not sold on thomas myself either). No way in hell I move mcilrath.

    Basically where I am trying to go with all of this is….

    sauer can be traded because long term, his spot is mcilrath’s in the top six (IF we are going with mcdonut, mdz, staal, girardi, and erixon are the other 5). Bickel and eminger are suitable fill ins for that spot until mcilrath is ready next year or the year after. I can speculate that stralman or woywitka would be gone at seasons end (I would keep woywitka around for a CT call up, but I think stralman can play in the NHL somewhere and will want to do so). I’m guessing vtank is not really in the club;s plans any longer.

    For the forwards….if the rangers make a deal for a big name forward…(we will use NASH, since he is the hot topic) you trade 2 roster forwards (dubi and AA) to make room for him (and kreider, if he isn’t in the deal…if kreider is in the deal, you keep AA) and salary. So the roster looks something like this next year …

    gabby, brich, cally, step, NASH, hags, boyle, rupp, prust, KREIDER, feds, mitchell and…. (AA is substituted for KREIDER if he is traded instead)

    and on D
    girardi, staal, mdz, mcdonut, erixon, and MCILRATH (if MCILRATH isn’t ready, eminger/bickel in that spot)

    You trade a decent sized salary in dubi, plus WW is gone, you move a couple of guys that would need decent raises in the coming few years (AA and sauer I believe) and substitute them for entry level deals with KREIDER and MCILRATH (erixon also I think)

    You also resign Biron..

    I don’t know, I’m way late to the party on this and probably totally off base with RFA contracts and such. I not any sort of salary cap guru either so I probably should not even post this, but screw it!!

  82. Winning regular season games for a team that if they make playoffs will get demolished in the 1st round is what makes a city-wide sensation?

  83. Izzy Mandlebaum on

    Crack of Noon!!!!

    Linsanity is a desperate ray of hope for Knick fans that have seen nothing but failure since Dolan bought the team.

  84. The Rangers and Knicks that live in the Trump Towers in White Plains also hang out together at the Buffalo Wild Wings on Mamaroneck Avenue.

  85. stuart a February 16th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    notice detroit, pittsburgh, and other elite franchises do not get into these bidding war trade for star contracts nonsense……….

    **************************************************************

    Most likely because they already have star players with star contracts.

  86. Izzy Mandlebaum on

    Come to think of it… Rangers in first place in the East is a desperate ray of hope for Ranger fans that have seen nothing but failure since Dolan bought the team.

  87. The first American of Asian descent playing the in the NBA is what makes this a city-wide sensation. The Yellow Mamba.

  88. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, I get the excitement around Lin. I really do. It’s not that he is just having them win games. There’s so much more to it that makes it a great story beyond the winning games.

    I mean, this is such a great underdog story. And I’m not going to call him Jackie Robinson or anything, but you know as an Asian-American he had to deal with a significant amount of prejudice in terms of his opportunities. And it is the being undrafted, blue-collar work ethic that has got him the opportunity he now has. And he’s making good on that opportunity. And he’s a young player that could potentially become a franchise point guard.

    It’s just that winning games is what makes the rest of the story possible.

  89. Wicky©Proud owner of the world's most persistent cold on

    If i’m not mistaken, don’t the canucks win consistently with four higher salaries??

  90. Shootout (or post hockey game skills contest) wins so far this year: Detroit 7, Pittsburgh 7, Boston 7, Vancouver 6… Rangers 3.
    Rangers lead the league in Reg/OT wins which to me is a better indication of who might be favored in the shootout-less playoffs. Devils have 9 shootout wins BTW. Ridiculous.

  91. wicky,

    I expect MDZ to get the same treatment as Dubi/Cally/AA did in their non-arbitration RFA years. 2 year deal, a little under $2M per year in cap hit. Had MDZ not fallen off a cliff last season he might be looking at a deal that would buy out his arbitration years, but since that wasn’t the case he gets a gradual step up.

    If Stepan and McDonagh (especially him) continue to grow as they have been then they might be looking at similar deals to what Staal got where they buy out arb years in 2012-13. AA and Sauer would be up for new deals. At that time Sauer might be expendable if Erixon has cemented a role and McIlrath is ready. It might also be time to part with one of AA or Dubi. Especially if Kreider has showed signs of turning into the real deal.

  92. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    This, admitedly, is a loose analogy, but I am seeing some similarity between the Lin and the Kreider situations, assuming Krieder signs with the Rangers, stays in New York, and gets a quick promotion to the parent club.

    And that is, some here, with whom I agree, are of the opinion that Krieder may not be an immediate impact player, that he will do well, once established, but it may take as much as a couple seasons for his potential to be realized and maximized.

    This is where Lin is, right now, with the Knicks. And while I, too, have become fascinated with this kid’s amazing impact on New York, the Knicks, and the NBA scene, he, like Kreider has an unlimited upside which has not yet even been approached.

    That is because there are two major holes in his game, right now. His shooting percentage from the floor runs hot to cold, from game to game. And his “floor game,” as I call it, contrasted with his shooting game, has a major flaw in so far as turnovers are concerned. He committed eight of the Knicks 16 turnovers, in one recent game.

    The exciting thing about Lin is that he will develop poise and control and surely improve where his ball-handling and passing skills are concerned. His shooting percentage should also improve, with added discipline, as he learns what are his best shooting angles and what angles don’t work.

    But right now he is a raw work in progress, and has a long way to go, understanding that if and when he harnesses all his talent, he can become a special player for his generation.

  93. Izzy, these Rangers will win the Eastern Conference this year, and likely the Stanley Cup if we can face a favorable matchup like the Canucks. There’s nothing desperate about these Rangers. The other teams that will face us the rest of the season and playoffs will be desperate when their shots are either being blocked by defenders or stopped by the best goalie in the league. The Knicks may make it a round or 2, but the Bulls with a healthy Rose are too well coached and the Heat are too talented. The unfortunate part about the Linspiration is this will lead the Knicks to keep D’Antoni rather than trying for Phil Jackson, who has been rumored to be itching to get back into coaching and would love to coach the Knicks.

  94. I understand why there’s hype about Lin. I think it’s a bit premature to proclaim him a savior of a moribund franchise after a handful of games. This is like hyping up a rookie for the Mets or Yankees that swats a few home runs in his first few games and then regresses the rest of the season. Yankees fans will remember Kevin Maas, Mets fans will remember Gregg Jefferies. And yes, the racial component makes it even more appealing because rightly or wrongly he’s unique in that context.

    I’m not a basketball fan and I don’t hate the Knicks, but I do recognize they’ve been a terrible team for most of the last decade that any sort of spark that ignites the fanbase is positive. It’s like Rangers fans with Prucha, unassuming kid that has a good run and combine that with the expectations of him and his team are a tick above zero and you have a good story.

  95. Doodie Machetto on

    Happy Birthday Miami. For your present, the Rangers will turn in their most bush-league, amateur-hour, Mickey Mouse, buckwheater, two-bit, cut-rate, low-grade, low-rent, jackleg performance of the year.

  96. Re: Nash, deal from perceived strength. Dubinsky,Staal and if necessary a #2. Or, Dubi, Erixon and a #1 this year. The emergence of Mc Donagh, a Girardi to All Star status and if Erixon stays with hopefully McIllrath not far behind plus a healthy Sauer allows the Rangers to move Staal. With DelZotto and Stralman a real find as the second pairing 5-6 D will come from the others. The money should work if it’s Staal and who knows if Suter becomes a FA they might have a shot there as well.

  97. Here’s a couple differences between Lin and Kreider: Lin was, probably for racial and schooling reasons, relatively off the radar. Kreider is not. Lin has now won some games at the pro level. Kreider has not.

    Here’s something they share: unrealistic expectations on their fans’ part.

  98. Yeah happy mickey-mousing amateur-hour bozo-filled birthday Miami. Bush-league it up for us tonight.

  99. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, the difference is that Lin has scored more points in his first 6 starts than any player in NBA history.

  100. CT, the MSG franchises have been dreadful fo many years. With 3 championships combined in over 70 years,one must conclude the “fish rots from the head”. Simply bad management top down.

  101. Doodie Machetto on

    (also, let’s ignore that he has also committed the more turnovers in his first 6 starts than any player in NBA history)

  102. Chris F, why,please explain why my reasoning is incorrect. At this time Staal is no more than a 3-4 D.

  103. CT, the guy who burst onto the scene with mass hysteria and a quick flameout was Hideki Irabu. It was like Fernando-mania, minus the staying power.

    Doodie, well done on the b-day wish. You forgot clown.

  104. Once pitchers/catchers report and the NCAA tourney begins and the Knicks play good teams, this will all subside. Let’s get back to a real sport.

  105. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, Irabu isn’t a good comparison because they hype was built before he even played his first game.

  106. if you were really serious about bringing in a still-young high-level forward, staal is your best movable chip. considering how good the young(er) D has been you could win without him and upgrade your forwards. he’s been pretty terrible since he’s come back. we won plenty when he was out. i doubt the rangers would do something like that, but since we’re all playing fantasy league.

  107. Wicky©Proud owner of the world's most persistent cold on

    staal?? Isn’t that the guy who has a brother that is a famous singer or something?

  108. I’m not saying your logic is wrong, I’m simply saying the NY Rangers are not trading Staal. Possibly ever. Management love him and, no matter what Girardi looks like and McMonster plays like now, they believe Staal to be a franchise player. That’s obvious. He ain’t getting traded.

  109. I read some of the trade proposals from some of youse guys & I wonder why we’re still friends.
    Trade Staal/Stahl/ ?
    Trade MDZ ?
    Trade Biron ?
    I’m starting to question the hockey smarts here – prust sayin’

  110. Doodie, I get it. He’s off to an unbelieveable start. And good for him. I don’t hate Lin. I watched a Knick game for the first time in probably 7 or 8 years the other night (mostly because the Rangers and the other local teams weren’t on) and it was reasonably entertaining. But I think the kid is being set up for failure if and when he comes crashing down to earth.

  111. Staal is one of the best defenseman in the league, though he has fallen a bit behind Girardi, w. Girardi’s emergence as an absolute beast!

  112. Let’s give Girardi and McDonagh serious concussions and see how long it takes them to come back and recapture their game.

  113. I just remember the hype from Irabu’s first game … like he was better than Dwight Gooden when Gooden broke in … or Fernando … or Syd Finch.

  114. It would be a sell low move with trading Staal right now. He won’t get you a player Bobby Ryan straight up.

  115. agree that Staal isn’t getting traded but I would absolutely trade him before McDonagh who I think will be indisputably better than Staal within a year. McDonagh to me is the one Ranger on this roster (other than Hank, obviously) that I would trade under no circumstances.

  116. Carp, do you think Gooden could have been better than Seaver had he not gone down a self-destructive path?

  117. He was going in that direction, CT. He was like Guidry, only in his early 20s and the chance to do it for a lot longer than Guidry did it.

  118. stranger nation on

    Lin-derella story if there ever was one – hard to create any analogy given the short amount of time (ten days) and relative obscurity he came from; cut twice THIS YEAR, Asian-American who played at Harvard! – Last NBA player from harvard was in the late 50’s. The overnight sensation angle on the story is the most fascinating given our on-demand information-driven media culture.

    most impressive is the way he speaks of team work and giving credit to team mates.

  119. McDonagh, Staal, Girardi, Del Zotto, Stralman, Eminger

    Sauer, Bickel,

    Woywitka

    Wow! Depth! Greatness! Youth! Love it! I think Eminger is our oldest D-man at like 28.

  120. I mean, I don’t even really like basketball (though I do support the Knicks) and the Lin story is absurdly great. I won’t pretend to have any guess as to whether the guy can continue to do what he’s been doing, but apart from the really high turnover total, he seems to do pretty much everything well and has a team that was on the verge of collapse back in contention.

  121. Staal is coming off a serious injury. He’ll get better in time. And once the playoffs call, he’ll rise up.

  122. Yeah well personal issues aside, they also abused his arm at such a young age. A lot of 200+ IP years and huge jumps in innings from year to year. But his Cy Young year in 1985 is just amazing to look at.

  123. Remember when we all thought Stahl was gassed during the playoffs? We were upset that he was getting burned. Well, turns out our top defender just had a massive brain injury. NO BIG.

  124. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Chris F. –

    Good assessment as to a couple dissimilarities between Lin and Kreider.

    I could have gone on to make the Lin situation a good case for getting Kreider up here, right away. Should Lin be in the NBA developmental league, right now? Of course not. The Knicks made the right choice = let’s see what this kid brings to the table and go from there.

    A good comparison is the way the 76ers are (poorly) handing prospect Craig Brackins. Brackins spent most of last year in the NBA developmental league. They promoted him to the 76ers roster this year – did not use him at all, and last week sent him back to Maine in the DL. Ridiculous! Especially for a team to not observe a young player late in blow-out games, and they have had many, but they chose not to do that.

    So that Philly has no idea as to what they have or do not have in Brackins. Suppose the Knicks had treated Lin the same way – say a month of bench time, no action, then a demotion. Their entire season would be unfolding differently, now.

    So that I hope the Rangers will give Kreider a serious shot, just to evaluate him for awhile vs. the best hockey competition in the world. So what he has has to gone down, after a few games? MDZ went back to Hartford and we know he benefitted from that, immensely. But some kids come in and establish themselves immediately, both in the NBA and the NHL. “Let’s see what a kid has got” is my take on the subject. And the Knicks, to their credit, certainly got it right, this time around with Lin. The 76ers don’t have a clue. And it remains to be seen as to how much, in the way of guts and vision, the Rangers exhibit with their handling of Kreider.

  125. why are you guys sour on Kubina? at the very least he’s an improvement over the Emingers and Woywitkas of the world, and there’s no indication Sauer’s coming back anytime soon.

  126. >>Anyone else tired of all the wailing and GNASHING of teeth?

    Haha, I didn’t even see your post before posting mine.

  127. Rangers are vying for a president’s trophy. The Knicks were on the verge of cleaning out their entire coaching staff about two weeks ago. D’Antoni started Lin out of grim desperation and it worked out for everyone. The situations couldn’t be more different.

  128. This has just been an unbelievable couple weeks of sports and sports stories, one of my favorites was watching Doc Rivers celebrate his son’s GW 3 pointer at UNC. Ive always liked Doc, and it was such a unique father son moment.

  129. Doc Rivers Rules! The Lin Story is nothing short of terrific, tremendous, completely fantastic and unbelievably supertastic.

    Lin has played 6 games (maybe 7) and he just got invited to the all star game.

  130. Rumor is Kubina has been moved, don’t know who to.

    Personally think Biron has looked a bit shaky the last few starts – would prefer they gave Hank the nod tonight and Biron Sunday but maybe he needs the rest.

  131. Sour on Kubina because he’s a career -99 although he’s considered a shutdown defenseman with size! Also, 34 years old … remember how SLOW McCabe was?!

  132. When making trades you ideally want to trade from your strengths for someone that helps your biggest weakness.

    Rangers biggest weaknesses: top line scoring, Power play, playoff inexperience

    Rangers biggest strengths: secondary scoring, penalty killing, grinding, defensive depth, farm system, King Henrik

    The one guy who helps all three weaknesses is Jarome Iginla and his contract length and cap hit is perfect for us. He is really the perfect fit but I’m not sure if he is a realistic option…

  133. stranger nation on

    Biron was a mess the last game, but came up big against Stamkos when it counted. Was a floppin around like a drunk seal at times against the Bolts – remember they have Em and Stahlman playing back line so there are many more opportunities.

  134. Lloyd Braun February 16th, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    why are you guys sour on Kubina? at the very least he’s an improvement over the Emingers and Woywitkas of the world, and there’s no indication Sauer’s coming back anytime soon.

    **********************************************

    Mostly because he’s terrible and has a $3.8M contract. Other than that, I can’t think of anything. :) Personally, I’d rather stick with Eminger/Bickel and get a forward.

  135. I’m not attached to Stralman at all so I wouldn’t mind Kubina on the cheap. Kubina and Doan and done, without touching our current roster or Kreider, would make a happy Mister D.

  136. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Talk about young players breaking in with a big splash, I have never seen or experienced anything like “Fernando Mania” in LA, where I was living at the time, when Fernando Valenzuela broke into the major leagues. He brought the Hispanic, Black, and white communities in LA together, for at least a couple seasons.

    But the P.R. hype really got out of hand when he won the Cy Young with a record of 13-7, over Tom Seaver, then in Cincinnati, who had a record of 14-2 (!), in the strike-shortened 1981 season. The hype can exceed what these athletes bring to the table, no question about it.

  137. stranger nation on

    oleo – right with you on Iginla for this year AND next. Picture Iginla LW#1 and Kreider LW #2 next season.

    Seems like a perfect story if not for the Flames on the cusp of a PO spot still.

    Doobie, Thomas, V Tank,#1 for Jerome

  138. What if Phoenix gets the little hobbit to watch scoot around the ice? That has to be more fun than the same old guy you’ve been watching for a decade and a half.

  139. In fairness to Kubina, he was -92 after his first 5 full seasons. And +/- is essentially a useless stat.

    While it can certainly change as the deadline gets closer, forwards no longer on the market (according to their teams) include Prospal, Ruutu, Smyth, and Doan.

  140. Boom – we don’t have the luxury of just trying Kreider out and evaluating him with the big club this year since we can’t screw up what we have going. He’d be better served in the AHL getting used to the physical part of the game. The AHL is more like Hockey East, more hitting than the NHL. Let him get used to that and give him the shot next year.

    And Brackins is a really raw talent. He needed another year in the NCAA to polish his game, but felt he was ready to make the jump because of his pure athleticism. Kind of like an Anthony Randolph type.

  141. Yeah but if you and your family isn’t at the game Tony then it will be like 6 fans. I’m sure PHX security can handle 6.

  142. The chances Kreider even plays with the Whale this season is pretty low. It seems like he wants his degree so he will need to finish this semester and probably a summer session also…

  143. Kubina is NOT an upgrade for any of our defenseman. He used to be a solid offensive d-man when he had speed and could jump up in the rush (he actually use to lead the forecheck in Torts’ system, don’t ask me why). But right now, he’s too damn slow and his defense was never that good.

    Also I don’t see Doan going anywhere. I think he’s a Coyote (or wherever they move) for life. Loves Phoenix, loves the area, his family loves the area. Similar to Derek Morris who went right back after he came here as a rental. But with Doan being the captain, I don’t see him even being offered as a rental.

  144. eddie eddie eddie on

    dubi, hank, gabby, MDZ, MZA, cally, Girardi, beeron, stu, and the guy from die hard for NASH

  145. I don’t really see the incentive Calgary has to deal Iginla. They are on the cusp of a playoff spot, he is not an impending FA, and he is the C/face of the franchise. Sure, you may get more for him this year than next, but I just don’t see that happening.

  146. why wouldn’t they give kreider a chance on the big club if he seems ready? if bickel can play we could certainly let him play a game or two if he can get here on time. didn’t amonte and weight come up for the playoffs in the early 90s? didn’t seem to hurt them.

  147. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Oleo –

    Re the Rangers PP deficit (unless the last game was the turning of that corner), if Torts would give Hags more than just a few seconds on the PP, now and then, how would that hurt? Torts could learn something from the Knicks handling of Lin, that is the enormous benefit of giving an unknown quantity a chance to perform under pressure, for damn sure.

    After all, when there is no downside to trying something new, there is nothing to be lost and a lot, potentially, to be gained. So what if Hags turns out to be a bust on the PP, he has earned the chance at it, plus the team needs help there.

    What the hell does Torts need to find the inspiration to roll the damn dice, on this one? He can’t crap out and he might roll a 7 or an 11. Where is the risk in that?

  148. Oleo – he could still play for the Whale and finish his degree if he plans on coming to camp in next season. He would just forfeit his NCAA eligibility. Doesn’t take away anything from his classes/enrollment at BC.

  149. eddie eddie eddie on

    THE PRUST has been traded for NASH, DOAN, CARTER, JEROME I, CHARA, 5 #1′, 17 #2’s, and 8 updates on crosby

  150. Torts could learn something from the Knicks handling of Lin, that is the enormous benefit of giving an unknown quantity a chance to perform under pressure, for damn sure.

    ***

    There is a ton more the Knicks could learn from Torts than Torts could learn from the Knicks

  151. stranger nation on

    Top Goals/Game since beginning of last season:

    # 5 – Jarome Iginla
    # 13 – Bobby Ryan
    # 15 – Teemu Selanne
    # 17 – Rick Nash

    Iginla is still producing at a high level

  152. Amonte and Weight came up for a combined 3 games and I’m pretty sure that was only due to injury.

    If the Rangers were out of the playoffs, that’s a better time to start testing guys out. When you are in 1st place and one of the favorites to win the Stanley Cup, you don’t start testing out rookies just to see how they handle the NHL. You keep the ship going the same way it was sailing.

    Just as many have said in regards to trade rumors, “if it’s not broke don’t fix it”, same applies for bringing in young players just for the hell of bringing them in. If Hartford is out of the playoffs and you just want them on your roster to show them what it’s like during the NHL playoffs and have them practicing? Sure, but they shouldn’t be playing just to get some playing time during key moments of the season just for the hell of it.

  153. Nashes to Nashes

    Funk to funky

    We know Major Glen’s 4 a junkie

    Strung out on trader’s high

    Seeking that home-run deal……….

  154. I would not want to trade Stralman for Kubina. I think Stralman has come on nice this year, no reason to trade him.

    Kubina doesn’t solve any of the issues on the defense, such as a big banger.

    I don’t see Rick Nash being dealt before the deadline, perhaps off-season. He’s too good a player, there are going to be too many offers, and not wise to trade your only blue-chip, franchise player by rushing to get something done before the trade deadline.

  155. I haven’t found the definitive answer, but if playing Kreider in the NHL this season counts as a year on his ELC I wouldn’t do it.

  156. CTB – I think even if he plays with the Whale, it counts against his ELC since there is no way he can go back to playing college hockey.

    If it was a situation where he was coming up for a junior team and was eligible to go back, it wouldn’t count against his ELC. But not 100% sure how that works.

  157. eddie eddie eddie on

    Nedved prolly my alltime favorite ranger enforcer…that dude could go with the best of them

  158. “General managers are reluctant to sign college players late in the N.H.L. season because if a player makes the lineup for even one game, a year is counted on his three-year entry-level contract, moving him closer to free agency.” – NYT article

  159. Jonny D

    all you have to do is look on google and you will see that Boston College’s final exams start May 8th and end May 15th. Granted athletes get special privileges regular students don’t so he might be able to take them earlier but even then the timing doesn’t work out as their semester ends in the first few days of May.

    If he wants to get credit for this semester he can’t leave school right after the Frozen Four on April 7th (assuming BC makes the title game) and the Whale’s season ends April 14th so the Whale will ahve to advance deep into the AHL playoffs at which point Kreider wont likely see any game action.

  160. It has to do with the slide rule. And I’m not sure how it differs from players coming from NCAA vs juniors and being over a certain age.

  161. Ok, so we’re not seeing Kreider in the NHL this year. He might not even sign until the summer then.

  162. I don’t know if anybody watched the Bruins vs. Canadien game last night but that big nose dude Merchand is as dirty as it gets. The big nose dude tried to take out a Canadien players knees at the end of a period with a charging, low cutting body block to the players knees. That dope should get suspended for that one.

  163. Doubtful. I also read somewhere that he has been taking summer courses in order to graduate early but I don’t have any solid details.

  164. “… but that big nose dude Merchand is as dirty as it gets.”

    Rinaldo would punch you in the back of the head if he read that.

  165. Valid point oleo. I was just assuming he’s pretty close to Hartford (only takes about an hour or so to get there) and I know some other guys who played at BU and Northeastern have done it before. I’m not sure if they finished up school.

  166. “Mister D February 16th, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    ”… but that big nose dude Merchand is as dirty as it gets.”

    Rinaldo would punch you in the back of the head if he read that.”

    True, I forgot about that weasel, maybe there related somehow.

  167. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    What the Knicks could learn from Torts:

    1. How to burn out your players in the regular season for minutes played by key players.

    2. How to get players practically killed blocking shots with their black and blue and bruise bodies
    until the cows come home – in regular season games.

    3. How not to ultilize all their assets by refusing to test young players where they could represent
    an upgrade in areas where the current tactics and personnel deployment are not working.

    4. How to give some members of the roster merely “doghouse” token minutes in games.

    To suggest that the Knicks could learn anything from Torts is folly and flies in the face of evidence that the Knicks are more resourceful, courageous and intelligent than what the Rangers currently are employing behind the bench. Plus, we have reason to be fearful that the Rangers front office is on verge of making an enormous short-term patching, self-defeating trade. The Knicks, on the other hand, have just demonstrated that they can make a sensational, season-saving trade, when their backs are to the wall. And how is it the Knicks beat 28 other teams to the punch on the Lin acquisition. Somebody in the Knicks front office was paying attention, that’s for damn sure.

    I am a Rangers fan and the Knicks are not my team of choice in the NBA, but the Knicks have my enormous respect right now, for their vision, guts, and direction, and for how quickly they have turned their season around with one, bold player-personnel acquision and utilization. Say what you will about the Knicks failures over the years, they are NOT a stick in the mud organization, unlike the Rangers who are the gun-shy “Republicans” of hockey.

  168. eddie eddie eddie on

    S. Nation – remember the game when Nedved challenged and took on the entire flyer team one at a time?….yes, i think he is doing the cage these days……arguably, the toughest NHL player, ounce for ounce, the game has ever seen

    youtube removed every one of his fights…too graphic…so dominant…

  169. They have nice depth on D already. And the majority of Rangers D-men were first round picks -there are 7 total in NY/CT. Only Sauer (2) Stralman (7, like hank), and the two undrafted (Girardi and Bickel) were not. And McIlnash is coming too, maybe. He could always get Sanguinettied.

    Staal, McDonagh, DelZotto, Woywitka, Eminger, Erixon, and …another red-in-the-face Whaler to remain nameless.

    Is Kubina a rental? Contract expiring?

  170. I actually think that the Knicks have taken a page out of the Rangers book already. Playing tougher and YOUNGER and with less stars than the other teams. That’s a good thing. They have also started playing something called DEFENSE.

  171. What if Coumbus is asking for Del Zotto? (Kreider off market) Do the Rangers bring in Kubina, so they can deal DZ in a Nash deal?

    Kubina’s a Torts guy. We are deep in Defense. Columbus is very weak at D.

    Thoughts?

  172. To suggest that the Knicks could learn anything from Torts is folly and flies in the face of evidence that the Knicks are more resourceful, courageous and intelligent than what the Rangers currently are employing behind the bench.

    ***

    Have you seen the NBA standings and NHL lately?

    Torts has really held back Stepan, McDonagh, Anisimov, Hagelin. He let Redden, Rozsival and Drury take up key roles on the team.

  173. eddie eddie eddie on

    Rangers understand NYC is a Knick town…and why not…….you dominate a sport the way the knicks have over the last 15 years and any town is yours….

    the 20’s-30’s yankees = 2000-2012 knicks

  174. I know that Wolski stinks, doesn’t fit on this team, etc, etc. But is playing Bickle as a forward really a better option? I mean they might as well just dress 19 players

  175. Boom Boom

    I am not against using Hagelin on the PP but his speed is his best weapon and the majority of a PP you are in the offensive zone so speed really isnt a big factor there.

  176. “I know that Wolski stinks, doesn’t fit on this team, etc, etc. But is playing Bickle as a forward really a better option? I mean they might as well just dress 19 players”

    Sure. If Wolski is dressed, Torts won’t play him. If Bickel is dressed, Torts might put him in to punch someone else in the face. Atleast there’s some potential usage, right?

  177. Mike Francesa is the biggest obnoxious arrogant fat turd on the radio. Mr no it all in his own mind.

  178. are we really going back to that Hagelin-on-the-PP business? Who sits? Gaborik? Callahan? And does this really mean everything else Tortorella has done is an epic fail? Lunacy.

    Tom, yes, Bickel is really a better option. Or 19 players is also a better option.

    Mister D, LMAO about Rinaldo.

  179. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Wait a minute – we are supposed to want Nash, at great cost to the future, to marginally boost our chances of winning the Stanley Cup THIS year, but then we are not supposed to want Kreider to sign and start playing this year, because of accelerated FA activating rules, down the road?

    I see the cost in youthful talent of acquiring Nash a lot more expensive than re-upping Kreider in two years instead of three years from now. Yes, Nash brings more in terms of production, than does Kreider, right now, but still, I like the idea of bringing in Kreider now, rather than Nash and NOT sacrificing the future by keeping the rest of the talented young core in the house.

    Nash is becoming a virus to even think about, for me. Damn sure hope he goes to Philly and strips THEM of some of their best kids. And if we don’t make a big-time deadline trade, and Kreider joins us next fall instead of this spring, which is my second option, hell, it’s not the end of the world – it’s the beginning of something special, around here. How far away is fall, 2012?

  180. Carp,

    Don’t you see that one move that has happened to pay off for the Knicks for a few games offsets the decade plus of complete mismanagement in all other aspects of that team? Compared to a carefully designed plan that’s taken a few years to implement and has brought along players at an appropriate pace?

  181. CTB: LOL no. Like I said, if 1) Torts wants him back and 2) we dont have to give anything of consequence, we could do worse than Kubina.

  182. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Hey Carp –

    When the PP starts clicking we can back off the discussion. So long as its not clicking it, we don’t have to shield our eyes like Torts, and “pretend” that what is broken is somehow fixed, by magic.

    Tired subject, yes, but the greater concern is the club’s refusal to address that in a contending year. OK?

  183. Francessa was talking Hockey?

    What was he saying? What could he possibly say? He knows NOTHING about the sport.

  184. “Mike Francesa is the biggest obnoxious arrogant fat turd on the radio. Mr no it all in his own mind.”

    Thing is, up until a point he and Russo did combine to pretty much know it all. The opinions were always a bit zany, but between the two of them, the knowledge was never the issue. Now Russo is gone, nothing to balance Francesa’s ego, and he’s seemingly stopped paying attention to the games. Asking him about a Yankee game in late August 1974 and I bet he’s still the best. Ask him about yesterday or any non-star on another team and he’ll say something stupid but with absolute conviction.

  185. Boom boom,

    When have I ever said I wanted Nash? I have pointed out the pitfalls of him in terms of production and the future implications of his salary cap hit from the first day the rumors leaked that he was available.

  186. Boom Boom,

    You forget the most important “How to” of all:

    How to win a championship.

    Last time I checked, Mr. D’Antoni hadn’t won a championship as a head coach in the NBA.

    Mr. Tortorella – Stanley Cup Championship in 2004

    And don’t just tell me it was the players – without the right coaching, even the most talented players will go nowhere in their careers

  187. DJK,

    I don’t think after that disaster of an experiment with Caber they’re going to bring Kubina back.

  188. Big no on Nash from me. And this is from someone who has complained about this teams lack of skill since the lockout. That contract is a nightmare waiting to happen. Haven’t we been down this road before? Too risky for my tastes.

  189. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    ONE move, CTB? More like one move at a time = Lin, Anthony, Chandler, and Stoudemire. 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = FOUR, where I come from. Not like down your way where 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = ONE.

    (Do you have some kind of bureaucratic, fuzzy math/ fudge the numbers, “civil service” type job?)

  190. CABER! was finished when we got him. Kubina may well be too but he’s won a Cup. It may well be pointless to get him but it likely won’t hurt either.

  191. All the Knicks fans I know think Anthony and Stoudemire are disasters for the Knicks. Notice how they’ve won without them in the lineup.

    And no, I have job that involves analysis of structured credit transactions that involves a lot of complicated math, thanks for asking though.

  192. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    authorben –

    Yes, you are right, re Torts’ ultimate succes and Mike D. not having that. I am not a big Mike D. fan, for sure.

    I do wonder, however, if Torts were not such a “burn out” coach, if he could actually have won one or two more Cups, over the years? That is not to disparage his one, ultimate success, but I don’t think his style of coaching lends itself to repeat success. And this Rangers team ~could~ have the most talent in the league, as soon as last year, but as to how many championships, if even one, that translatesin to is a question none of us can answer, before the fact, and it is a concern of mine.

  193. Boom Boom, I’ve agreed with you on some things, but you have to be kidding me if you are going to use any of what you are saying as a way to blame Torts. You clearly haven’t watched him coach or watched his teams if you actually do believe any of the comments you’ve made.

  194. Also I dont get the obsession with Kathryn Tappen either – and I knew her personally (although not that well) and forgot who she was until I realized it. She was a friend of a friend and came to some of my parties in college.

    Did you guys know she’s married to Jay Leach (Devils defenseman, not sure if he’s even playing now)? I vaguely recall her being a Devils fan too.

  195. Torts could’ve won multiple cups if something called THE LOCKOUT didn’t happen. Then he was stuck on who he could keep and the types of players he had. Everyone from that team said they loved playing for Torts. Not all the time, since he would rip them, but they saw how it all paid off.

    He got the best out of all of those guys on that team. Something he’s done with this club as well. You D’Antoni was given the keys to a Lambo and drove it like a Ford Focus. The Knicks winning has nothing to do with D’Antoni’s coaching abilities and more to do with the players lifting their games based on one kid who is motivating them to play at another level.

  196. HageLinMcCalPruBoylahan on

    Jpg…. You left a message about tickets for me on my phone! I am going out on a limb here to say you must have called the wrong person lol

  197. “Also I dont get the obsession with Kathryn Tappen either”

    She competently talks about hockey and is a solid 7. That plays.

  198. Tappen a 7? Man she looks more in the 8-9 range to me. She is a beautiful blonde who talks hockey for a living.

    What is there not to understand?

  199. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I am not going to defend Anthony, who is a ball hog, or Stoudemire, whom I like much more for his better all around game. However, even with them, all the pieces to a championship puzzle have not been in place – that is, possibly until now.

    In fact, I am of the opinion that Tyson Chandler is, by far, the best player on the team, BUT, and the coach takes most the blame for this, he, like the outstanding center Turief, before him, is but an afterthought in the offensive scheme. They just don’t get enough shots or points from the center position, night after night, and that is a major mistake when you have such a high-percentage shooter like Chandler, in that role. Mike D. treats his centers like they are a sixth man, or something. That is suicidal in the NBA, where the big centers for much of the competion dominate, so much.

    This is now an abundantly-talent but undisciplined team. Starting with Lin being allowed to take 24 shots from the floor the other night, when he hit on just eight of them. A good coach would have shut him down, offensively, for the most part, by half-time, and had him working the ball into the man in the middle, much more. You take 24 shots from the floor when you are hot – on a night when you can hit 16 of them, not when you are cold as ice and allowed to keep chucking up bricks, all night long.

    So the challenge for the Knicks, is how to come together as an unselfish team. I just don’t see it happening under this coach, even with all the world class talent they now have, and Fields is also really outstanding, night after night. It is always sad to see team under-achievement where there are so many outstanding individual parts.

  200. Tortorella’s record behind the bench in NY: 119-79. NY Knicks over the same period of time:103-143.

  201. This is not a championship Knicks team. Fields is a good player, yet extremely inconsistent. It’s a better team than last year, but not a championship team. They do not have world class talent top to bottom. Good talent, great talent in Amare and Melo, but not something I can see winning anything.

    They have pieces that can win them a round or two and I’m excited to see what they can do with Lin given the chance at PG (he’ll be a 15-8 guy once all this Linsanity calms down, book it). But it’s not a world-class team from top to bottom.

    Also that still doesn’t justify any comments you made knocking Torts. If Torts was the Knicks coach (assuming he was a b-ball coach instead of a hockey coach obviously), he’d be like Riley and have these guys playing hard every night.

  202. Kreider isn’t turning pro this spring anyway so it really doesnt matter if he can help or not.

    Anyone who thinks Torts is putting a rookie he has never coached in a playoff game is nuts…

  203. the reason i come to comments section of this blog is to read about HOCKEY trades that will never happen, not read about fracking Carmelo Anthony, whoever that is.

  204. Boom Boom,

    Definitely understand your concerns about the “burn out” situation

    But man, who would have ever thought the Rangers would be 37-13-5 this years, especially with Marc Staal out for so long?

    Enjoy the ride – could still have 4 more months of Rangers hockey, if all goes well

    Let the people who get paid a gazillion dollars year as GMs worry about player movement and such and such

    And if they don’t win the Cup this year, so what? They’re not a flash in the pan. This has been a slow buildup since the coach arrived. This team will contend for awhile, beyond this season.

  205. Did Keenan “burn out” his best players in ’94 too? Doesn’t half the board here complain about how much time 3rd liners that “don’t score” like Boyle and Prust get? Is Torts supposed to roll all 4 lines 15 minutes a game, and all 3 D pairs 20 mins?

  206. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Oleo –

    Speed with Hags gets you from the D zone to the attacking zone more quickly than plodders like like our old friend “Wellington” Mara, ever did. I am just saying that a kid who can score short-handed, and at even-strength, might be an asset on the PP, especially when it comes to our – sicko – PP. I don’t see putting him out there as being lottery odds against its being successful.

    (Sorry for PP reference # 275, 129 over the last 30 days, Carp.)

  207. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Gravy –

    My grandmother is going to live longer than Mr. Girardi, and she’s already dead.

  208. Hahahaha Torts sucks. We are back on this? JACK ADAMS.

    You are insane, Boom Boom. Do demean or detract from Tortarella’s success is insanity.

  209. I am a Rangers fan and the Knicks are not my team of choice in the NBA, but the Knicks have my enormous respect right now, for their vision, guts, and direction, and for how quickly they have turned their season around with one, bold player-personnel acquision and utilization.

    ********************************************************

    D’Antoni admitted that Lin was put in as a last resort, and that they essentially got lucky. Chances are if he put up 5 points in his first game, he would have been riding the pine/waived within a few weeks.

    While both teams have had very limited success over the last decade, to suggest that the Knicks are better than the Rangers at this point “behind the bench” is borderline absurd. The Knicks have had one winning streak against mediocre opponents, while the Rangers have not lost back to back games in two months.

  210. eddie eddie eddie on

    CTBlueshirt February 16th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    All the Knicks fans I know think Anthony and Stoudemire are disasters for the Knicks. Notice how they’ve won without them in the lineup.

    And no, I have job that involves analysis of structured credit transactions that involves a lot of complicated math, thanks for asking though.

    CTB – buy high sell low……like stealing candy from a baby

  211. I Rarely Speak on

    i hope the person talking about the knicks guts and vision was kidding… because this Lin stuff is straight blind luck

  212. Torts gets the team to do the one thing that has become almost impossible in the world of multi millionaire athletes:

    play for each other.

    Last year at the all star game I watched Alex O make a jackarse of himself and thought, ‘uh oh, it’s gone to his head.”

    Torts brought MDZ back to reality and gets guys to play for each other, as a team. He is a father figure, and sometimes tough. He has Larry Brooks riding him in attempts to get rid of him, in the name of Sean ‘Moral Compass’ Avery. Torts rises above it all. He is the one of the elite coaches in all of sports. snip:

    Washington superstar Alex Ovechkin is in the midst of a down year, and former Capitals goaltender Olaf Kolzig suggests the captain is too wrapped up in his “rock star status.”

    “He just has to get back to being the way he was in his younger days and maybe not get wrapped up too much in the rock star status that comes with being Alex Ovechkin,” Kolzig, currently an associate goaltending coach with the Capitals, told the Washington Post.

  213. I do not recognize most of the names you all mentioned today, but I have to admit that I dislike the Knicks much less this season than I used too. I used to blame them for the ice quality in MSG, and for TV schedule when the Rangers would be bumped to MSG2 when Knicks play on the same night. This season, luckily, FiOS has MSG2 in HD….

  214. E^3

    Only if the liquidity premium on the candy doesn’t cause the baby to reconsider holding it to maturity.

  215. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Gravy –

    Well, Mike D. put Lin in, for whatever reason. The Rangers won’t put Hags on the PP, even given their desperation, and the 76ers did not even put Brackins in, in garbage time. I have to put the Knicks above the other two clubs, for their foresight, on this one.

    After my major dissertation re my reservations re Mike D.as the Knicks coach you respond to that as though I am a big Mike D. fan? Damn, read the minutes again. I just said he is mis-handling both Lin, at times, and Chandler all the time, and I just said they are not going to acquire the discipline they need to win under this coach.

    Now twist that around to your heart’s content.

  216. what the byfuglien is going on here today?! I stop by and I’m seeing more posts about another sport-that-shall-remain-nameless than I see about the Rangers.

    And since the voices are being made clear on the whole Nash situation, I’ll add mine! =P

    Players like Rick Nash don’t come along very often. The only concern I’d have with him is how well he’d handle the NY lifestyle (media, fan-insanity, distractions, etc). He’s got the size and skill that I feel is the only thing the Rangers lack, at this point, and he’s in his prime at 27-years-old.

    Just my two-cents. Helluva season, so far. I’ve been enjoying every minute of it!

  217. Hagelin has been used on the PP. Could he be used more? Probably. But, to back into an argument using one player and wanting his team to block shots?

    There’s no twisting of words. Your quote was that “the Knicks are more resourceful, courageous and intelligent than what the Rangers currently are employing behind the bench”. If Mike D mishandles players, then Torts mishandles them more? The same Rangers that are the 2nd youngest team in the league, the best winning percentage, and a top defense (which the Knicks are still learning to play).

    It seems that you have convinced yourself that the Knicks have turned the franchise around after 7 games, but do not see what the Rangers have accomplished in 55. Maybe I’m being gullible, and you are just arguing for the sake of entertainment.

  218. To all of the boneheads;

    What do you think the likelihood is of the Rangers making a trade with the Blue Jackets on Sunday prior to the game? Players would just switch locker rooms. It has happened before! I give is a 30% chance.

    Steve

  219. “Marchand avoids suspension.”

    “I don’t like it, and I’m the one who can prevent it in the future … but instead I’ll set the opposite precedent.”

  220. Tiki XLII XLVI on

    eric is a fan of the Iggles?? That explains a lot! LOL

    Yeah, I hope whoever said guts and vision was joking. Mike D’Antoni is as big a loser of a coach as Fatso Foot Fugger Rex Ryan. This was desperation that saw the Linspiration shine.

  221. Boom Boom Bathgate February 16th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
    You’re gullible.

    ***************************************
    Byfuglien!

  222. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Mike F. saying Isles good chance of moving to Brooklyn. First game next year for them is scheduled in the new building, there. Sounds exciting and like a new blood/shot in the arm natural rival for the Rangers.

    Ok with it. The Island has had three decades to get that franchise back on track. “Brooklyn Dodgers?” Why not? They once had a football team as well as the storied baseball team, with that name.

  223. five teams on nash’s approved list: @Aportzline. Leafs, Bruins, NYR, Sharks, Kings.

    if nothing else rangers should stay in it to keep bruins away

  224. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Gravy –

    If you were a girl I would say “Kiss me.” But since you’re are a guy I’m afraid you want to, anyway. lol

  225. “if nothing else rangers should stay in it to keep bruins away”

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Rask get shipped out.

  226. Tiki XLII XLVI on

    I wouldnt mind seeing Rask get shipped out either, but I doubt they’d have to give up anything, so let’s hope he goes somewhere other than us or them.

  227. Well, I hope that the Jackets still think Dublowsky is capable of being a top line player. Then maybe we wont have to give up too much for Nash. Not that it’ll be a small package. I just don’t want to include Kreider.

  228. I would do Dubinsky, Erixon, Thomas/Miller/St. Croix, Zuccarello and a 1st rounder for Nash

    That gives Columbus 3 guys they can stick on their team immediately, one top prospect and a future top prospect

  229. Mr. D (a/k/a The Dr.) – I would love to see the Bruins lose Tukka but wouldn’t the be more likely to part with Timbo Thomas right about now? I thought he was out of favor.

  230. That’s just gross to me. Dubinsky, plus two first round prospects plus another first round pick, all to acquire the guy with the 5th biggest cap hit in the sport. Who doesn’t have the numbers to match the hit? I haven’t barfed in years and I think that would make me barf.

  231. Biron has been great for us this year, and I have confidence in him. Definitely one of the best backups in the league.. only backup I’d take before him based on this year would be Rask, and that guy is not really a backup hes going to be a real good goalie for a long time once thomas is done
    But I dont understand why Torts would not play Lundqvist tonight and let Biron play Columbus Sunday night. I know Hank faced a lot of shots the other night against the Bruins but he had a day off and you know he’d love to play tonight. Theyre playing a very talented team that is dying for a win in the midst of a 9 game losing streak, theyre going to be really hungry. I was definitely thinking and hoping that Henrik would be in goal tonight and then have Biron face the lowly Blue Jackets on sunday night, I know Torts probably has his reasons but it just doesnt seem to make a lot of sense from my view

  232. Manny: I think if they were being honest, they’d rather deal Thomas and let Rask run with the job, but that would be crazy risky. Plus, Columbus wouldn’t want anything to do with Thomas at his age and hit, so that would require a 3rd team. If they want to try and make a big run this year and next, Rask (plus salary) for Nash would be really interesting.

  233. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I would be thrilled with Dubi, Zucc and a first rounder being the total price to pay. The others represent too much potential value to part with, for an exhorbitant cap hit, Cup one-shot, from here. Because I see this team as weaker, starting next year, as a result of sacrificing more concessions, than Dubi, Zucc, and a #1. Hope Slats draws a really difinitive and restrictive line in the sand, as to what he is unwilling to cross over.

  234. Happy Birthday Miami you bric-a-brac, fuzzy-nose-toting, big-shoe-wearing, tic-tac-toe-playing clown-of-all-clowns. Enjoy your pathetic, flourless-cake and your non-alcoholic-pansy-hooch. Girls are not going to get within 5 miles of your onion-sac you kumquat-eating, popcorn-sucking, peanut-brittle-chewing, mahjong-playing inbred.

  235. Regarding Nash, I really hope the Rangers dont deal for him. They have such a good farm right now and such a good thing going with the current roster, why shake any of that up? and then you are going to have the big contracts of Richards Gaborik and Nash all on the roster? What happens when guys like McDonagh and Stepan need raises, not to mention others. If the Rangers are going to make a move my preference would be to go for a guy like Ray Whitney. Yes he’s old, 39, but he’s got 16g and 35a, and can still play. He would help the power play and add to the forward depth. And you would probably be able to get this guy without giving much bc of his age and bc your dealing with buddy Don Maloney. Im guessing here but probably a low end prospect and a low draft pick to get him? Nothing off the current NHL roster. Thing is they probably need phoenix to start fading a little bit for it to happen bc after winning 4 straight last week they currently sit in a playoff spot

  236. The Jackets will probably want Artie and/or Hagelin along with Dublowsky. Throw in Erixon, a 1st round pick. I don’t think they’re forced to trade Nash. It’s not like the Trashers with Kovalchuckles and Hossa, and any team that’s been in that position. They’re going to get what they want.

  237. I like the move for Whitney – he’s a rental and he could be cheap. I just don’t think the ‘Yotes are going to get rid of him unless they get something equal or better back.

  238. Nash’s numbers need to be taken with a grain of salt. It must be very frustrating and outside of Prospal their whole team is having terrible individual seasons.

    Apparently Nash isn’t giving 100% anymore and wants out so you can understand the small dip in performance.

    And no that doesn’t mean he is a bad teammate and wont give his all here. In fact probably the opposite since he’ll be so happy to finally have a real shot at winning…

  239. Boom Boom Bathgate

    If Dubinsky is the only player from our current roster that goes there is no way our team is weaker next year. In fact the Rangers would still have around 2-3 mil to add another small piece should they choose to.

    In all likelyhood we are bringing the same exact team back next season except Fedotenko will be replaced by Kreider and the Rangers will look to bring in a veteran forward to compliment everyone else.

  240. Nash is still shooting as many shots as ever. I’ll chalk some of his season up to bad luck since he sits well below his career norm shooting %, but I don’t necessarily buy that he’s not trying.

    And what’s the guarantee he immediately meshes with Richards or anyone else?

  241. “I don’t think they’re forced to trade Nash. It’s not like the Trashers with Kovalchuckles and Hossa, and any team that’s been in that position. They’re going to get what they want.”

    I think I agree with you *but* they do have the 10th highest payroll and suck hard anyway. And its not a blip, they’re tied up really, really far into the future. Including Nash, they have seven players under contract through 2014-15 (plus Commodore’s buyout) with only 45% of the cap to spend on the rest. So its atleast possible they do have or feel the need to get some of that money off the books and know Nash is just about the only guy another team would take on for any value in return. Put backwards, check out this roster (http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=13) and tell me if standing pat can even be considered an option.

  242. holy damn, the contracts for these Columbus defensemen are some of the worst I’ve ever seen

  243. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    We actually agree, Oleo. I see Dubi as expendable. It is the Miller, Erixon, St. Croix, Thomas contingent I would not like to see leaving the organization. As I said, I am ok with Dubi, Zucc and a #1 leaving, but surely the price will be steeper than that. Just has to be.

  244. The Jackets should just stand pat. Hang on to Nash for the time being, and get a goalie from another team, like Bernier, Rask, Schneider, etc. Take a chance on one of them. They’re probably going to get the first overall pick, so maybe they’ll finally get someone decent to play with Nash next season.

    Unless Nash asks to be traded, I’d hang on to him for another year or two.

  245. well yes because Dubinsky, Zuccarello and the Rangers 2012 #1 pick basically isn’t a price at all.

  246. Doodie Machetto on

    5 Scouts from the Ducks at MSG tonight.

    But before you all get excited, they are going to be in NJ tomorrow night (hence them being in the NY area) and play the Blackhawks on the 26th. They are probably just using the opportunity to scout the opponent.

  247. I think theres no reason to move Anisimov or Hagelin, and Dubinsky is having is worst season, why would you trade him while his stock is down and the odds are he wont have another season as bad as this offensively. he competes every night, he just needs to continually get coached, kid needs to start shooting more and playing more north/south hockey especially when he has the puck. but he has done everything else well this year, hes been a great penalty killer, hes played good physical hockey, and played well defensively. He is a piece of the puzzle. I see anisimov getting better offensively every year, and hes also played great away from the puck and sound defensively, if he keeps putting on muscle and keeps going to the net good things r going to happen for him, and he probably has the best hands on the team aside from gaborik and maybe richards. hagelin has speed obviously and a lot of potential offensively. Stay put with these guys

  248. People clearly haven’t been watching the PP lately.

    And I was going to discuss the Knicks/Rangers discussion, but all you need to know is that Melo wanted Lin in, not D’Antoni. So Boom Boom, you need to get your facts straight. And I can’t believe you would rather have the coach of a team that was 8-15 and way out of a playoff spot than a team that has lost 2 consecutive games in regulation and leads their conference in points.

    Hags ISN’T a PP player. He utilizes his speed to be in position. On a PP he would be completely useless just based on the lack of open ice entering the zone. He’s always been a much better defensive player in regards to speed and a puck possession guy when cycling. We don’t cycle on the PP.

    PLUS the PP hasn’t been a problem recently. They finally seemed to figure it out.

    I love this blog for some of the crazy things that are said.

  249. For all the people who would trade any of our top 6 defensemen, I think you’re off. Who are we to question this team’s defense right now? Im a defenseman who also had an offensive game. I know. You think missing DZ isn’t going to affect our offensive flow, our defensive stinginess? He’s been meaner lately than I ever was.

    For those who think Ryan is coming here, it’s not going to happen. If he goes anywhere, he will go to Toronto. Burke needs him more and will sacrifice much more than will we. The only people we may sacrifice are Dubi or Artie, and that won’t be enough for Ryan. Picks schmicks. Wont be enough. Kreider? No way we’re trading him either.

  250. also, I fail to see how Tortorella’s treatment of Wolski is indicative of any particular liking for the guy. playing a defensive-minded defensemen at wing doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, so to not play Wolski says the coach has zero trust in him. in addition, stringing him along, when everybody and their grandmother knows he has no intention of playing him, seems a bit pointless. we all know Wolski stinks. just send the guy down and bring someone else up.

  251. Boom Boom

    the way I see it the Rangers are stacked on D. We have Staal, Girardi, McDonagh and Del Zotto that will be here for years to come. McIlrath will be starting his first pro season next year and Sauer, when healthy is a solid guy too.

    If we were to give up Erixon would we really miss him that badly?

  252. Zubov:

    The Rangers top 6 defensemen right now include Anton Stralman and Steve Eminger but I would agree that the other 4 guys shouldn’t be moved, particularly McDonagh.

  253. Don’t want Nash or Ryan (more for the package it would take) either but does Toronto have any 1st round picks for the rest of the decade? Their prospect and young talent pipeline after Schenn isn’t that good.

  254. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, Schenn is someone they will probably trade. I could picture Schenn for Ryan, straight up.

  255. Erixon has a higher upside than Sauer and Sauer’s last season was an exception to his whole career in terms of health.

  256. Carp, just heard tom brady suggested to hot dog lips that his problems could be with his neck. Sent hikm to a specialist and it is his vertibrae. Any news?

  257. You’re right, CT, it wont. It’ll help, but it wont be a quick fix.

    The Jackets will always suck though. They’ll never win the Cup. If I were Nash, I’d get out as soon as I can. It’s not an enticing destination for significant free agents to sign, even if they’re getting paid a ton of dough.

    I don’t get why they bother putting teams in places like Columbus, Atlanta, Phoenix, and even Seattle, as rumor has it. What’s the point?

  258. Doodie Machetto on

    cgiacomo, that’s a few weeks old at this point. The end result was that it was found that he had, in addition to his concussion symptoms, fractured vertibrae, C1-C2 if I recall correctly. That had already healed by the time it was discovered.

    Subsequent to that, he saw another set of specialists that have determined that he has a soft tissue injury in his neck that presents concussion-like symptoms, so he may not have a concussion at all right now.

  259. I think Anaheim would want more. I thought a lot of people have been saying Schenn has stalled a bit. His ice time is way down from last year.

    Ryan is one of the 15-20 best goal scorers in the league, I don’t consider Schenn anywhere among the top 20 D in the league.

  260. The way the team is playing, Torts is not going to dress Wolski to play 4-7 mins of the game on the 4th line with rupp and mitchell. I think he rather dress Bickell and play him 4-7 mins and then let gaborik and a couple others double shift here and there with the 4th line. If somebody got hurt on the first 3 lines while fedotenko was still out I could see him dressing wolski, but like i said I think torts likes having certain kind of guys on the 4th line and he doesnt consider wolski that kind of guy that can be effective playing those type of mins… This isnt a video game where you dress the best 12 forwards, its reality and torts is doing what he thinks is most efficient. I didnt understand it when I was younger but Im starting to see that it makes sense

  261. Personally, I wouldn’t miss Erixon all that much. We have so much depth on defense, you’re going to have to let some of these guys go. Erixon, V-Tank, McIlrath, etc. This defense is young. It’s not like these guys are going anywhere any time soon.

  262. Doodie Machetto on

    Orr, first of all, tell that to Carolina.

    Second, Columbus is a decent hockey town when the team is worth a damn, but they haven’t been worth a damn in half a decade.

  263. McIlrath will NOT be starting next year. He needs a season in the AHL. At least one season, quite possibly two. He’s not NHL ready yet and may never really be that much of an impact defenseman at the NHL level. His “hype” has Sanguinetti written all over it.

  264. Orr, I kind of agree, but it’s never bad to have depth, especially with concussions and all. Staal is still not 100% back to how he played, Sauer might not be back all season. It’s always good to have depth to a certain extent.

  265. the more “exciting” the deadline is the more likely it is that the top teams get better through trades, i actually wouldnt mind a slow trade season in the next 11 days, in the hopes that the contenders dont better themselves much, ya know

  266. of course Erixon has more upside than Sauer but having both Erixon and McIlrath is a luxury rather than a need.

    Given how we have 4 guys who will be here and playing at a high level for the next 5 years, the need for 2 NHL ready prospects is lessened. Losing one of the two will not set the Rangers back in any way.

  267. I think V-tenk is no longer on the team’s radar. They had Woywitka, Bell, Stralman and Bickel all up before him. He’s the D version of Grachev.

  268. Flip side of trading roster players because we have prospects behind them: All of our roster players have proven to be, at worst, top 9 forwards or top 4 defensemen. Would it make more sense to offer a Pronger package to all teams offering 1st line forwards and try to open a ~3 year window before the next round of major decisions are necessary?

  269. Doodie Machetto on

    This deadline, and all deadlines hereafter, will be very boring because of the parity in the league created by:

    1) the salary cap
    2) the Bettman bonus point (24 teams greater or equal to .500)
    3) over expansion watering down the talent pool

  270. Ugh, I wasn’t going to comment on the multiple asinine comments made but…

    Did somebody really just propose “schenn for Ryan straight up”???

    That trade wouldn’t go through on a video game let alone REAL LIFE.

    Nash is top line, world class talent…you re not going to get a player like that on your team by offering 2 or 3 players you “wouldn’t mind losing”.

    Dubinsky, 2 top prospects not named Kreider and a first round pick would be a steal. You take that deal everyday and twice on Sunday.

  271. I just don’t believe they’d make that trade for Erixon just to flip him. I think he slots into the lineup next season. Can’t say that for McIlrath.

  272. Megatron Negatron on

    From “I Rarely Speak Less Often” at 2:37 – a trade,
    Carmelo for Nash.

    Foist one I seen on heah dat makes a bit o’ sense…

  273. Pronger package? The one Anaheim got? That seemed to close the window for the Ducks more than anything.

  274. Tiki XLII XLVI on

    Coaching is about making adjustments, keeping your team conditioned, teaching discipline and accountability, and inspiring. Mike D’Antoni has never changed the way he coached, he’s always been a pick and roll coach, and without a real point guard, his pick and roll offense is ineffective. He got lucky to get a Lincredible point guard that will hopefully only grow with time. He never teaches defense and the only reason why their defense has been pretty solid this year is because of the addition of Chandler and the addition of a defensive coach Woodson.

    Tortorella has adjusted to the talents of his team. Instead of trying to beat teams 5-2 or 6-2 with a team short of offense, his primary focus is on goaltending, defense, blocking shots, penalty killing, and wearing other teams down via physicality and conditioning. He adjusted to his team’s strengths, which is what very good coaches do. Torts also has this team disciplined and accountable, on and off the ice. It’s truly a remarkable thing to watch. Every player on this team plays for one another.

  275. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, they just gave up on Lupul too early. Plus, the two picks (Etem and Palmieri) haven’t actualized yet. Both look like pretty good prospects, especially Palmieri. 28 goals in 31 games in the AHL this season. Nothing to sneeze at.

  276. Kind of surprised by that, Doodie. Is it still the same?

    I don’t know aboot V-Tank. He had a great training camp going into last season. This year, not good, but maybe it’s just one bad year. I agree with you, Doodie, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s in Russia either.

  277. Joke

    agree 100%. Prospects usually fail and as long as you still have quality prospects, you’ll be perfectly fine. Its not like we’ll have that many openings for these kids anyway.

    As long as we keep one good center, one good winger and one good d-man we’ll be alright and with the job Gordie Clark has done he’ll replenish what we lost quickly…

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