Rangers at Bruins tonight


Happy Valentine’s Day!

Pre-game notes, courtesy of the NYR:

Tuesday, Feb. 14, 7:00 p.m.
TD Garden — Boston, MA
Rangers: 36-13-5 (77 pts)
Bruins: 34-17-2 (70 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Feb. 12

The Rangers will face-off against the Boston Bruins at TD Garden (7:00 p.m.; TV: MSG 2; Radio: 970 The Apple), in their third game in four days. The Blueshirts currently sit atop the Eastern Conference standings, and rank second in the league overall, with a record of 36-13-5 (77 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Washington Capitals, 3-2, on Sunday at Madison Square Garden for their seventh win in nine games, and are now 19-5-1 in their last 25 contests. New York has posted a record of 33-10-3 since Oct. 29, after beginning the season with a 3-3-2 mark. The Bruins enter the contest with a 34-17-2 (70 pts) record to rank second in the Eastern Conference, and have lost three of their last five games. Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the Chicago Blackhawks on Thursday, Feb. 16, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in an Original Six match-up.

* All-Time: 245-281-97-2 overall (141-118-55-0 at home; 104-163-42-2 on the road)
* 2011-12: Tonight is the second of four meetings this season, and the second and final at TD Garden. New York is 1-0-0 (0-0-0 at home; 1-0-0 on the road) following a 3-2 overtime win on Jan. 21 at TD Garden. Marian Gaborik notched two goals, including the game-winner with 0:04 remaining in overtime, and Ryan Callahan tallied one goal and one assist in the contest. Henrik Lundqvist made 32 saves in the win.
* Last Season: New York was 3-1-0 overall (1-1-0 at home; 2-0-0 on the road). Three of their four meetings were decided by one goal. The Rangers penalty kill was 10-11 (90.9%) in the series. New York out-scored Boston, 4-1, in the third period. Derek Stepan (two goals, two assists) and Michael Sauer (one goal, three assists) tied for the team-high with four points in the series. Henrik Lundqvist was 3-1-0 with a 2.01 GAA, .929 Sv% and one shutout in four contests.
* The Rangers enter the contest with a three-game winning streak against the Bruins and have won seven of their last nine meetings, including four of the last five at Boston
* Henrik Lundqvist has started in 21 consecutive games against Boston, dating back to Jan. 13, 2007
* New York ranks second with an 18-7-3 (39 pts) record on the road; Boston is tied for sixth with an 18-9-2 (38 pts) mark at home
* The Rangers are 6-5-1 vs. the Northeast Division; the Bruins are 8-2-1 vs. the Atlantic Division
* New York lists no former Bruins on their roster
* Boston lists one former Ranger on their roster: Marc Savard (1997-98 – 1998-99)

* Henrik Lundqvist — 24 GP, 17-5-2, 1.51 GAA, 5 SO
* Martin Biron — 31 GP, 12-12-2-1, 2.66 GAA, 1 SO
* Brad Richards — 31 GP, 7-20-27
* Ruslan Fedotenko — 38 GP, 8-10-18
* Derek Stepan — 5 GP, 2-2-4
* Michael Del Zotto — 7 GP, 2-1-3

The Blueshirts penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in 16 of the last 21 games (53-58, 91.4% over the span), and is 78-87 (89.7%) with six shorthanded goals in the last 30 contests. The Rangers are tied for third in the NHL with seven shorthanded goals. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 18-1-2 in games when tallying a power play goal, and are 26-6-2 when not allowing a power play goal.
* Power Play: The Rangers did not tally a goal in two power play attempts (4:00) on Sunday vs. Washington. New York is tied for 25th overall (27-188, 14.4%) and ranks 27th on the road (11-89, 12.4%). The Rangers are 2-12 (8:51) in five-on-three situations (last – 12/23 vs. PHI), and 1-6 (8:52) when four-on-three (last – 2/1 at BUF). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore); 12/17 at PHX (Korpikoski).
* Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Capitals scoreless in two power play attempts (4:00) and tallied a shorthanded goal on Sunday vs. Washington. New York ranks fifth overall (156-179, 87.2%) and fifth on the road (89-101, 88.1%). The Rangers are 6-7 (4:07) in three-on-five situations (last – 2/1 at BUF), and 1-2 (1:39) when three-on-four (last – 2/1 at BUF). Shorthanded goals for (7): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan); 12/20 at NJD (Hagelin); 1/6 at PIT (Dubinsky); 2/12 vs. WSH (Prust).
* Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Sunday vs. Washington. The Rangers are plus-five in 54 four-on-four situations (101:06), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (6): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi); 1/2 vs. FLA (Gaborik); 2/9 vs. TBL (Stepan); 2/9 vs. TBL (Richards). Four-on-four goals allowed (1): 2/9 vs. TBL (Lecavalier).

New York has posted a record of 49-29-12 against Original Six teams since 2005-06, including an 18-5-2 mark vs. Boston over the span. The Rangers’ .611 win% over the span ranks third, trailing Detroit (.681, 44-19-6) and Montreal (.614, 75-45-12), and ahead of Boston (.519, 59-54-20), Toronto (.500, 56-56-18) and Chicago (.493, 29-30-11).

15 of the last 18 meetings between the Rangers and Bruins have been decided by one goal, including six games that required extra time and five that went to the shootout, dating back to Mar. 24, 2007. The other three games during the stretch were decided by two goals. New York is 9-4-2 in one- goal games against Boston over the span.

The Rangers have won seven of their last nine road games (7-1-1 over the span), and are 13-3-1 in their last 17 games away from MSG.

The Rangers’ .713 win% through 54 games is the team’s best start in 39 years, when the 1972-73 Blueshirts began the season with a 37-13-4 record (.722 win%), and is tied as the second best start in franchise history. *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau

Head Coach John Tortorella registered his 130th win as Rangers’ head coach with a 3-2 win on Sunday vs. Washington, and is now one win shy of Herb Brooks for sixth on the Rangers’ all-time coaching wins list. His .584 win% currently ranks second on the Rangers’ all-time coaching win% list.

The Rangers rank among the NHL leaders in several statistical categories…
* 2nd in points (77)
* 1st in win% (.713)
* 2nd in wins (36)
* 1st in regulation/overtime wins (33)
* 1st in fewest regulation losses (13)
* 2nd in fewest goals against (106)
* 2nd in GAA (1.96)
* 1st in hits (1,619)
* 4th in blocked shots (907)
* T-2nd in +/- rating (plus-40)
* 3rd in goal differential (plus-43)

* This is the latest the Rangers have been in first place of the Eastern Conference standings since the 1995-96 season, when New York held the top position through games played on Mar. 15, 1996 (NYR game #68). *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau
* New York has registered at least one point in 36 of their last 46 games (33-10-3), dating back to Oct. 29, after beginning the season with a 3-3-2 mark
* New York is 12-1-2 when leading after the first period and 22-0-2 when leading after the second
* The Rangers are tied for second in the league with a .286 win% when trailing after two periods (4-9-1), and their four third period comeback victories are tied for eighth in the NHL; New York has trailed entering the third period in 14 games this season, which is the fewest in the league
* New York leads the NHL with a .792 win% when out-shooting their opponent (19-5-0)
* The Rangers lead the league when scoring first, posting a 26-1-2 mark (.897 win%) in those contests; Their 26 wins are tied for second in the NHL

* Henrik Lundqvist is 6-1-0 with a 1.26 GAA, .954 Sv% and two shutouts in his last seven games
* Lundqvist has allowed one goal or less in 11 of his last 21 games, and has held opponents to two or fewer goals in 29 games this season
* Martin Biron has held opponents to two or fewer goals in eight of his 13 starts this season
* Ryan Callahan enters the contest with a three-game goal streak (five goals over the span), and has tallied 10 points (eight goals, two assists) in the last 11 games
* Marian Gaborik has tallied 14 points (four goals, 10 assists) in the last 12 games
* Brad Richards enters the contest with a three-game point streak (one goal, four assists over the span), and has tallied six points (one goal, five assists) in the last five games
* Derek Stepan has tallied six points (one goal, five assists) in the last five games
* Michael Del Zotto has tallied six points (two goals, four assists) in the last eight games
* Brian Boyle has tallied five points (two goals, three assists) in the last eight games
* Artem Anisimov has tallied five points (two goals, three assists) in the last five games
* Carl Hagelin has tallied eight points (one goal, seven assists) in the last 11 games
* Ryan McDonagh has registered 10 blocked shots in the last two games

* Artem Anisimov: 1 point from 100 NHL career
* Ryan Callahan: 2 goals from 100 NHL career
* Steve Eminger: 5 points from 100 NHL career

* Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) — 30
* Ruslan Fedotenko (injured, 2/9) — 2
Total Man-Games Lost: 168

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  1. Puckdaddy has a report on Nash being traded, with the NYR candidates to pounce. I don’t see why the best team in the NHL has to mortgage it’s future (again), but it is an interesting read.

    I seem to remember Sather being bashed for spending $$$ so foolishly, but I look around the league and see quite a few GMs who are much worse.

  2. 3rd!

    Morning all…

    Chris Kreider update…

    Chris has a shorthanded assist and a power play goal as the BC Eagles defeat BU in overtime to take the beanpot.


    The above link has the highlights. Chris with a good effort after getting knocked down on the assist and an excellent shot for his PP goal!

    Joe Meloni writes for collegehockeynews.com …. Here is his tweet during the game:

    @CHNJoeMeloniJoe Meloni
    Watching Rangers fans salivate over Chris Kreider’s pending arrival is kind of funny. You’re going to love him, NY.

    Salivate indeed. Whether it is this year or next year, I am looking forward to seeing this kid play and really hope they don’t trade him.

  3. .Game Day!!
    Giving the wife the gift of sleep, while I watch the boys get 2 more points.

  4. Nash is an excellent, dynamic, exciting player. But you cannot include Kreider in a
    deal for him. Period.

  5. Still tough to top the trifecta of Drury/Gomez/Redden, but there’s a few other WTB were they doing guys.

    Holmgren has made some bad mistakes:

    Not knowing the 35+ contract rule with Pronger
    Depending on how quickly JvR develops that could be a massive overpay

    But they have made the finals and conference finals in recent years so he gets off with a lighter sentence than most other GMs.

    Howson in Columbus might have had the single worst offseason in the cap era.

    Gauthier in Montreal has been pretty bad in recent years, especially his Andrei Markov fetish.

    If the Leafs fall out of the playoffs then you have to wonder how soon their fans turn on Burke.

    Sutter in Calgary has acquired Ollie Jokinen…twice.

  6. If we’re still doing the fantasy GM discussions, Ryan would make a better target than Nash. Cheaper and younger.

    Nash raises a few red flags as far as how productive he can be going forward. And even looking at his past he’s had as many low 30 goal seasons as high 30s/40s.

    There’s always the argument of him never playing on good teams or with a good center but look at how Gaborik and Kovalchuk have done since moving to better or more offensive teams, they haven’t gotten any more productive than they already were and if anything Kovalchuk has gotten less productive. While Gaborik set his single season high point total in his first year in NY that had as much to do with him being relatively healthy for a change, he scored at similar rates in Minny but health constrained him from putting up more numbers.

    Nash is similar to those guys in that he generates his scoring chances mostly on his own. He’s a puck hog in a good sense and besides its not as if Richards has transformed anyone on the team from a 15 goal scorer to a 30 goal scorer, except for himself with his curiously high shooting pct.

  7. A lovely V Day to all!

    I’ll be very, very surprised if the Rangers can or want to make anything except small supplemental moves with their roster as we move within two weeks of the trading deadline. They’ve made too much progress to risk upsetting the current team chemistry and the long term potential to be competitive. Management has finally learned patience. The ice has to be seriously tilted in our favor for Sather to pull the trigger on a a major deal.

    Love this team as it is. The best is yet to be!

    Also, kudos to Carp and everyone else behind the curtain at RR!

  8. Good morning all and Happy Game day!

    I heard on CBS news this morning that MSG stock is trading at it’s highest price in the stocks history and who do they praise for this…….. of course Jeremy Lin.

    Not even a mention that the Rangers are leading the East and having a great year.

  9. Chopper, the media will always go out of its way to praise the NBA and certain public figures…you can extrapolate.

  10. Nascar is more popular than the NHL. The NFL is most popular than MLB. MLB is more popular than the NBA. The NBA is more popular than the NHL.

    This is just how it is. Doesn’t that make it even more great that we have this awesome forum to chat about our heroes unencumbered by bandwagon fans?

  11. So did anyone actually get a chance to watch Kreider last night and see why we shouldn’t give up on the kid?

  12. Correction…


    Nascar is more popular than the NFL. The NFL is most popular than MLB. MLB is more popular than the NBA. The NBA is more popular than the NHL.

  13. jonny D: I listened to the game on an internet radio feed. Couldn’t find a NESN live feed on the net. Do you get NESN? did you actually have a chance to watch the whole game? If you did, would love to hear your thoughts. I posted a link to highlights towards the beginning of this thread.

    I loved that Kreider got knocked down shorthanded and STILL managed to get a pass off that led to the SH goal!

    Also, on his goal you can see that the kid has a quality wrist shot.

    He seems to be a player that has a nose for the net.

    But, the reason I am so high on this kid is the same reason why I think hagelin was able to step in this year and be effective with very little time in the AHL. Kreider, like Hags has ELITE skating ability. The kid has that extra gear that he can throw it into!

  14. Tons of stuff in the papers/media this morning about Nash on the block and the Rangers being a primary player. Obviously, there’s trade talk going on between Sather and Howsen, given the fact that both teams have been scouting each other recently to the point where Howsen took in the Ranger/Cap match Sunday (which apparently is unusual – the GMs like to be discreet with this sort of stuff).

    However, I wonder if Sather’s target is Jeff Carter. At $5,200,000 he’s $2,500,000 less per season than Nash, which equates to 2 bottom 6 forwards. I strongly suspect the stuff about his partying is exaggerated and given the tightness of the Rangers, he’d likely assimulate quickly. If not, then he is indeed a malcontent and that would already be well known, meaning Sather likely would stay away.

    IMO, the biggest stumbling block to Carter is the length of his deal – it goes TEN MORE YEARS after this season. That said, there likely will be in that time at least 2 CBAs (next year’s and then one likely 4 to 6 years after that) and it’s probably a guarantee an amnesty period allowing teams to buy-out contracts will be part of both – that 2nd CBA would allow the Rangers to get out from both the Richards and Carter deals (if needed).

    I concur with the mindset here and in Rangerland overall not to give up Kreider in any deal, so what would Carter cost?

    All that said, I’m still clinging to the idea that the Rangers are interested in Derick Brassard….

  15. Imagine if realignment just reduced the NHL to two conferences and the Bruins and Rangers had to battle more directly for the top spot. Wouldn’t that be fun/

  16. The one thing you have to love about Kreider is his knack for scoring goals in important games although i’m most curious to see how he plays in the WC this year since him playing with the Whale after the frozen four is not a lock either.

    I wanna see how he fares against teams like Canada as that will be a much better indication of his NHL readiness than NCAA games. Last year he was over-matched by the better teams (while beating up on teams like France and Austria)

  17. Yev – Yeah I live in Boston now (just moved back up after college) and went to Northeastern so I love the Beanpot. Watched both sets of games last night. Only knock I have on Kreider is that towards the end of the game in OT he slowed down a bit, but I think that was just him being tired. All the kids out there were tired. Even late though, he was able to possess the puck and use his speed to get into a spot where he was either dangerous or could find someone else.

    Earlier in the game though, his speed was definitely noticed. Solid all around player, his size is kind of a joke now since he’s just so much bigger than most of the kids in NCAA. I remember when he first came up, he was about 6’1″ 190-200, now that he’s filled out and gotten even bigger, it’s impressive to see him not lose the speed he had. I definitely wouldn’t want to trade him in any deal.

    It’ll take him some time to get used to the NHL game (possibly a few seasons, 2-3), but unlike another player who had size and speed (Grachev) he seems to be able to find people much easier whereas Grachev struggled with that once he hit the AHL level. At worst I think he’ll be a 2nd or 3rd line winger who can chip in with 10 goals, but I think he’ll be better than that.

  18. Nash would fit perfectly on our team. But again, the only player I’ll deal Kreider for is Shea Weber.

  19. I agree Manny, it is just frustrating when a basketball player who has played FIVE games gets all the attention. I know there is the asian-american aspect to the story (and that is great), but enough is enough. The Knicks are the only team in this area that I feel the media goes out of their way to “will” to success.

  20. Jeff Carter is not the kind of guy you want with Torts. Lavy was so happy to have him gone. Sure he scores goals, but he’s one of the worst clubhouse cancers you can have. Plus in NYC with all the clubs/bars open until 4 AM, you really want him in our locker room?

  21. I know ANF. It is frustrating. I just think I have accepted that hockey is a niche sport. Like a secret society or something. It makes it kind of cool!

    We passed up J. Carter on the free market why would we give up some guys to get him? That would make me NUTS.

  22. Carter is a flash in the pan player too. Imagine I’d we gave Petr Prucha a 10 year deal after that one 30+ goal season he had.

  23. Both Carter and Brassard are centers, even though Carter can play on the wing. I doubt Torts wants anything to do with Carter, and Sather wants very little to do with his 10 yr contract.
    Why would we need to bring in another young center when we are developing Stepan?

  24. Carter is a 35 goal scorer, but he never keeps his head up. My friends who are Flyers fans were so happy to get rid of him. Based on his inconsistent play and the known partying (which wouldn’t be a problem if it didn’t directly effect both him and his teammates), they were more than happy once he was traded.

  25. I would avoid Carter like the plague. Why can’t we just look at players like Marc-Andre Bergeron and perhaps Brad Boyes?

  26. I have heard from more than one big Flyers fan that Carter is a locker room problem. I am not in favor of adding him.

  27. Stranger Nation on

    Jeff Carter, the center? We have a center we will be overpaying over the next 6 years. You’re kidding?, right?

    Good teams win with strength down the middle which is why Larmer was probably the most critical addition to the Cup tram.

    This team needs a LW power forward. Kreider is not going to be traded. We’ll they actually need 2 LWs as Dubi has morphed into a good 3rd line forward.

  28. DJK,

    You mean the 3 30 goal (which includes 1 40 goal) season that Carter has had in the previous 3 years leading up to this one?

  29. Why can’t we just look at players like Marc-Andre Bergeron and perhaps Brad Boyes?


    Because MAB is one of the worst defenders in the league and Brad Boyes has 3 goals this year.

  30. Stranger Nation on

    The Knicks fortunes directly impact sales of media assets (newspapers, TV Ads…) so the Lin story is as much a tale of a ratings grabber and media ‘savior’.

    The number of Knicks’ fans in this town dwarfs’ the number of Ranger Fans. Majority of people never played hockey.

    Irony is hockey players more easily to relate to, hoops is a city game. Just need a hoop and some decent weather.

  31. The funny thing is Carter basically has the same career stats as Parise whom everyone is willing to give a potential cap busting contract to. And I believe that Parise will get a deal with a higher cap hit and probably run just as long as Carter’s.

  32. I think the Rangers best course of action is to look for a rental player with an expiring contract. The cost should be less for that type of player than for a Rick Nash – and by cost I mean in terms of players/prospects/draft picks and salary cap implications. Slats needs to roll the dice and see what plays out this year and then wait for the new CBA. Rangers still might be able to trade for a big time forward if the need still arises or we could sign Zach Parise as an UFA and evnetually trade him to Montreal for one of their top prospects should Parise fail .

  33. Stranger Nation on

    Would prefer trading a good young defenseman for a good young forward who has not already signed a monster deal. Ryan is attractive, but the cost is probably prohibitive in assets leaving us.

    Doesn’t our regular trading partners (oilers, yokes) have a up and coming forward who we can do a swap with Erixon?

  34. And for those that like to use team playoff success as a reflection of the player, Carter has been past the second round of the playoffs, twice. Neither Nash nor Parise can claim that.

  35. Manny: How did the Rangers pass on Carter in the ‘free market’? And he’s a goal scorer – that is easily one the Rangers biggest issues (specifically sparse top 6 forward skill).

  36. all I know is I’m done reading rumors because between what fans have posted for trade proposals on here (trading Kreider) and rumors I’ve read on other sites all of it makes me sick and crazy. I’m going to convince myself that sather isn’t going to do anything stupid until the trading deadline is over and we can continue onto the season and playoffs.

  37. Rangers also didn’t have a top 10 pick to include into a deal. And the Flyers were probably not going to send one of their most productive forwards to a division rival. Notice both Mike Richards and Carter were sent out of conference.

  38. Stranger Nation on

    CTB – we have 4 top D. My point was to trade value for Value, add to the core with a young top 6 forward.

    Sorry but MZA, Wolski, and Woywitka don’t have much value in market.

    Gotta give to get…

  39. I want no part of Jeff Carter. He’s had lockerroom and off the ice issues and his scoring is not at the level where it was previously. You dont want a guy with questionable character with such an awful contract…

    I would entertain the idea of trading for Nash but not for Kreider. If you can get him for Anisimov, Thomas, Zuccarello and a 1st rounder then by all means but I doubt even Sather can pull that one off. You’d have to throw in Wolski or waive him cap wise though…

  40. True Blue Mike on

    TSN ranks Rangers at #1 this week and states that they have no significant injuries — Michael Sauer.

    They then go on to state that Curtis Sanford is a significant injury for Columbus.

  41. I’d prefer not trading for Nash or Carter, but I’d take Nash first. I think he’s the more productive player, fits the team need more, and I’d rather have the higher cap hit over less years.

  42. Stranger,

    If Staal and Sauer were 100% healthy then maybe I’d consider moving Erixon. Staal I think is not going to be the same player we’ve enjoyed for the last few years for at least the rest of this season. Sauer is a complete wildcard at this point (and health in general has been an issue for him since he was drafted). Erixon also projects to be better offensively than any of the other guys except Del Zotto. I don’t think the Rangers engineered the trade with Calgary just to flip Erixon a few months later.

  43. Sanford is a significant injury for the BJs, have you seen Steve Mason play goal since his rookie year?

  44. Allowing Steve Mason anywhere near the net is one of Columbus’ biggest mistakes of the last 3 years. Not even backups should have GAA above 3.00, let alone the 3.49 GAA he sports this year.

  45. i don’t know what the right trade would be; i sort of doubt these rumors are true; and i would not give up kreider if they are … but it’s incredible to hear people talking about rick nash like he’s some third-liner.

    discounting his rookie season, Nash averages 35 goals. his worst goal-scoring season is better than dubinsky’s best and they’re the same age. Nash played on terrible teams and he’s never had a top-line center. dubinsky’s been given a ton of chances to play top-line minutes and he’s never really blossomed. his skill set, at this point, is replaceable. this guy has similar stats to gaborik. right now, nash has as many points as richards.

    sometimes fans fall in love with they’re own players a bit too much. and chemistry? winning creates good chemistry and if losing one guy — to add a premier player — is going to ruin everything, then the team’s chemistry can’t be very good to begin with. i love this team’s youth, and they have plenty, but they also have a realistic chance at winning the cup this year. that’s the point. give them one of these three: anisimov, dubinsky or haglein; and add either erixson, thomas or miller: and a first rounder (which will end up being a very late pick in a soft draft), and you’re making a great trade.

  46. fchamps, I don’t think anybody discounts Nash’s current and perhaps still untapped talent. I think they don’t want to have a ton of cap space tied up in 4 guys (Gaborik, Richards, and Hank).

  47. stepan kreider mcdonagh and sauer untouchable. everyone else in play as far as im concerned.

    in the end though i think they go the UFA route.

    forwards whitney doan smyth boyes
    dman gill spacek allan kubina

    i dont see the rangers doing something big.

  48. gravy —

    that’s a different story. i don’t know enough about the cap. i thought they had space coming in the next few years. obviously they also have to resign players. but let’s be honest, for his production, dubinsky is overpaid. that’s half of nash’s salary right there. i might be wrong about this, but doesn’t wolski comes off, avery, fedotenko — don’t we still pay drury? — i’m sure you can make space.

    of course, this is probably all just fantasy.

  49. happy bday to my son jake who turned 1 today. hard to belive its been a year. still weird having a baby on vday

  50. Stranger Nation on

    CTB – erixon will not play this season so the Staal rationale does not make sense. He had not been up to his #1 Dmen skills, but to say he will not gain them back is a little premature, no?

    Right now we have mdz, mcd, girardi, staal. So erixon is in and Staal is out, I guess.

  51. The could certainly fit him under the cap this year, and Duby’s contract going the other way would help. Just read Pat Leonard’s article, and he says they will be able to bring in $6.9M in whole year salary (not including Wolski getting traded/dumped). Drury’s hit is one more year after this season, I believe. And you hit the nail on the head about having to resign their other (core) players.

    But, I don’t think Duby, Erixon/Miller/Thomas, and 1st gets it done. Replacing Duby with Hagelin might, but then you have the cap issue being a bigger problem. All in all, I don’t think getting Nash is the most prudent decision.

  52. Sauer untouchable? seriously? Don’t get me wrong he’s a good player and all but he’s certainly not a deal breaker…

  53. these nash rumors are heating up.

    i would love to have a no trade clause. love the fact that the player in this case nash is in complete control. must be exciting for him at least i would be

  54. A d-core of Staal, Girardi, MDZ, McDonagh, Sauer, Erixon, and McIlrath is going to be pretty solid going forward. I don’t see why we would want to trade any of that away. Chicago built their D around Keith, Seabrook, Barker (who they dealt when he didn’t pan out for another top d-man in Leddy), Hjalmarsson, Byfuglien, and Jordan Hendry. Eventually they had to move a few pieces, but they built around those guys and had success. I think the Rangers are setup to have the same look going forward.

  55. I don’t see why Nash wouldn’t want to come to NY? We are in first place, right? I don’t think the Red Wings or Bruins are going to make a move for him. That makes us the most legit team for him to come to. Also, we have a plethora of young talent.

    I assume we could go: ^Hobbit Wizard^, Erixon, Bjork and Anisimov. (Maybe we have to give more?)

  56. >>Nascar is more popular than the NHL. The NFL is most popular than MLB. MLB is more popular
    >> than the NBA. The NBA is more popular than the NHL.

    Um, there is another professional sports league in the country, you know? Talk about a sport not getting any respect at all!

  57. the price for Nash is going to be sky high. I don’t see how we can get him without giving up at least one of Anisimov, Hagelin, Dubinsky or Kreider.

    I would though trade Anisimov, Thomas, Zuccarello and 2 1st rounders though…

  58. Stranger Nation on

    Jonny – with a cap in place, you cannot afford to keep everyone and with mdz mcd getting upcoming pay days, the team can’t afford to pay erixon $2M (just under) as a third pair Dman.

    Chi town had to make decisions on who to keep, just as the Rangers will. So, again, who do you move to bolster the offense without taking away from the core back line. Staal and Sauer are now harder to move, assume we want to keep girardi, mcd and mdz and Em, Willy Wonka, and Bickel do not big value on the market.

    No one said this was easy…

  59. Stranger – how much cap space do you think we have to clear even if we don’t trade for anyone? McBust and Del Zaster are essentials.

  60. Nash for Tim Thomas.

    Throw in a few other pieces, like Sanford and Krecji or Paille, Pouliot, whatever, but this makes the most sense for everyone.

    Bruins have soured on the outspoken, individualistic goaltender/philosopher. Middle America can have him, and might even embrace him. He can hang with Carter, the partier and the tea-partier.

  61. The Rangers will not have any significant cap issues until after 2012-2013 season ends. They can add a large contract. The new CBA has very little implications on that since if there is smaller cap, there will be a roll-back in salaries to accommodate accordingly. After 2013, if they take on another large contract (either now or in July), they may have problems resigning some of the McDonagh/Stepan/AA/Hagelin/Sauer group.

  62. I pass on Nash. That contract is just a killer, and I hope Sather knows it.

    You can get Parise for just money over the summer, if you need. Or a player like Iginla is better than Nash with a shorter contract, if you must try to make a big trade.

    Either way, the length of the contract is the #1 issue.

  63. Hipbone

    makes no sense for Columbus. why would a rebuilding team want a goalie thats what 37? Now if it were Rask, then it would make sense…

  64. Thomas is 37, Hipbone….That is not how you rebuild your franchise, if you give up yor best player, no less.

  65. CTB – erixon will not play this season so the Staal rationale does not make sense. He had not been up to his #1 Dmen skills, but to say he will not gain them back is a little premature, no?


    I’m talking about beyond this year. They tried to ramp Staal’s workload up and then had to dial it back a bit. Like everyone I hope Staal comes back next year and he returns to form, but what we’re seeing from some of these guys coming back from concussion related injuries is that it takes time. Ditto for Sauer. Trading away Erixon robs them of that depth for down the road. There’s a good chance he gets a crack at the team next year, considering his competition is Eminger and Stralman.

  66. Btw, Kreider was very impressive last night at the Beanpot. The goal he scored on the PP was a beauty.

  67. CTBlue,
    What’s wrong with Flames GM decision about Olli Jokinen? Guy is leading *Iginla* team with 17goals and 46points (would be 2nd on Rangers).

  68. Mister Delaware on

    “You can get Parise for just money over the summer, if you need.”

    Nash <<<<<<< Parise, Dubinsky, top prospect, #1

  69. CTBlueshirt

    valid point but remember McIlrath will be in HFD next year as well so the Rangers have depth. Trading one of them (so long as the one they keep isn’t a bust) is not going to hurt the team’s depth since you usually don’t use a top prospect as your fill in guy. Its the same situation up front because if you keep all your homegrown guys eventually there wont be enough room to play all of them.

    Eventually someone or two or three are going to have to leave either via trade or free agency…

  70. Mister Delaware on

    NYDNRangers Boston coach Claude Julien said Bruins were glad to see Ryan McDonagh was OK after the Ference hit in their last meeting #NYR

    Don’t care. I’d like to see Bickel at RW for just one more game to take care of Ference (assuming Rupp’s hand still isn’t up to it).

  71. I have a feeling we’re going to end up with Nash WITHOUT giving up Kreider.

    1st, 2nd, Dubinski, Erixon … something like that

  72. Stranger Nation on

    CTB – would love to see Erixon on the team. As a lefty, he has McD, Staal and MDZ in front of him. If Sauer is unable to return and possibly can move MDZ to right side, Erixon would have a slot. IMO, his game is needed on the PP, but is there a spot for him? Not an easy decision made harder by Sauer status and Staal ramp back to peak performance.

  73. What’s wrong with Flames GM decision about Olli Jokinen? Guy is leading Iginla team with 17goals and 46points (would be 2nd on Rangers).


    The first time he was traded to Calgary it involved a first round pick. He was then traded away *with Prust* only to be brought back *minus Prust*.

  74. With it being a seller’s market I have a hard time believing Nash, who is a 26 year old world class player and the face of the Columbus franchise, can be had for anything short of 2 good players, a good prospect and a pick. Let’s be real, if you’re Columbus, you’re demanding one of Dubinsky, Stepan, Anisimov, Hagelin AND one of Staal and Del Zotto. You can see Sather considering it, rationalizing that they’ve had success this year without Staal, and could make a play for Suter in the off season to replace him (or Del Zotto). But in the end I don’t think he pulls the trigger.

  75. Stranger,

    I thougth Erixon has the ability to play on the right side as well. I doubt they acquired him thinking he was going to be strictly a LD and going to be buried on the depth chart.

  76. Stranger Nation on

    Manny – I will happily defer to those much more steeped on the cap situation (ilb, help…)

    The problem with stock piling young talent is after a while it becomes a log jam if players do not step up.

    The answer – trade young promising players for overpriced, over-the-hill marquee names.


  77. Nash is a strict upgrade over all of the people you’ve mentioned here. I’ll be the first to say I like Dubi, Anisomov, etc but Nash is a way better, more established player than they are. If you give up one of them and some combination of picks/prospects to get a 35 goal 70-80 point player you do it. They Rangers need one more big threat. I’ve always liked Nash and I think he’d fit well on this team.

  78. Carter reminds me of a right-handed Heatley — both guys will shoot from anywhere on the ice but aren’t great skaters. Heatley has better hands in tight and you can’t discount (double check) his size but I wouldn’t want either on the Rangers, who rely so heavily on the forecheck. I’d be content bringing in a rental like Ray Whitney for a mid-rounder or a prospect, so as to not totally revamp but help with man-advantage and give some playoff experience.

  79. Stranger Nation on

    CTB – some D can flex between left or right, some cannot. Not sure where Erixon falls on that continuum. Kid can skate, has good hands, but was overpowered in the D zone in the brief glimpses we saw this year.

    Have not seen him plat this year save for with the big club.

  80. Stock piling young talent until it becomes a log jam is probably a dream of every GM in the league…..

  81. Oddly enough, The Prust was traded to the Yotes (along with Lombardi) for Jokinen, then to the Rangers with Jokinen. So not only did he get Jokinen twice, he traded The Prust twice.

  82. Stranger Nation on

    The dream is the young talent improves and can be difference makers on the big club, not be perennial AHL All stars

  83. Nash is awesome but probably just not worth it. Got no problem trading Dubi or Anisimov, because Kreider makes those guys expendable. Ditto Erixon and Sauer (injury prone), or any lower echelon players, and all prospects, but not Kreider. Instead, maybe JT Miller -he is from Ohio too.
    They should keep their draft picks too, unless they are flipping picks with Columbus. Because that pick will be HIGH. Higher than Jeff Carter at midnight.

    Anisimov/Sauer/Miller/NYR #1 pick for Nash/Columbus #1 pick

    or Dubi/Erixon/Thomas/Wolski would help Columbus immediately and in the future, and really equates to Dubi for Nash and we lose some depth on Defense. Throw in the hobbit if need be.

  84. Krispy, no one disputes that Nash would be, at worst, the 2nd best non-goalie on this team. It’s all about the cap.

  85. CTBlueshirt

    agreed although my point is at some point they are going to have to let some go since it is impossible for every single prospect and homegrown player to be in the lineup at the same time while still having a veteran presence.

    There is an idea that many on here have top trading prospects should never happen but it is necessary component unless you are lucky enough to draft future perennial all-stars which the Rangers have yet to do…

  86. I think carp was right, the source that started this rumor is garbage, RDS, the French-speaking equivalent of TSN in Canada. The only way the Bluejackets would ever trade Nash is if somebody proposed a trade the Bluejackets couldn’t refuse. It ain’t happening but there are some other players on the Bluejackets Sather might be interested in. I just hope it isn’t Jeff carter, OH Please not Jeff carter.

  87. Why would Columbus trade their best player AND their #1, which may wind up being the first overall pick?

  88. The cap is really not as big of a concern as everyone makes it out to be. Next season they can fit in Nash without a problem but the year after they will have to clear space but its not like they will have to do what Chicago did and blow the team up.

    They would have to get rid of Dubinsky and one of the d-men which is fine since the Rangers will be able to replace them internally right away…

  89. Hipbone — Columbus isn’t going to give up their first-round pick, at least not for this year’s draft. They’d be giving up Nash, a former first overall pick himself, and the first overall pick this year — for basically one top nine roster player, one solid but very injury-prone defenseman, an unproven prospect and the 30th or 29th overall pick (based on current projections). Sather would usurp the Dos Equis guy if he pulled that off!!

  90. I’m still not fully buying it, but if it happens, watch for the demand to be *MUCH* higher than the ones proposed here so far.

  91. oleo,

    I’m not suggesting that they keep everyone. I personally think there’s some wild overestimations of how many Rangers draft picks will A) ever become an NHL regular B) have that chance with the Rangers.

    Just saying that next year it looks like at a minimum the Rangers blueline will be: McD/Girardi/Staal/MDZ

    I’m not including Sauer on that list because it could very well take him a year to recover, maybe he comes back sooner than but who knows. If he does come back then that leaves the #6 spot up for grabs, which I’d say Erixon has the inside track for ahead of the journeymen players they’ve used this year. They’re handling him better than they handled MDZ who probably should have been sent half way through his rookie year had he been AHL-eligible.

  92. And Columbus will not accept 2nd level prospects and 3rd liners when the Rangers aren’t the only team in this race. Unless, of course, Nash decides he does not want to go to Detroit, Boston, Toronto, etc.

  93. In regards to Bruins/Nash, yes, Thomas is old, but he is playing great, and he is a star attraction. Columbus needs IMMEDIATE goaltending help, not someone who is a prospect, and they need a box office star to replace Nash. That is key. Thomas was the Conn Smyth and Cup winner last year, is a great success story, and would fit into the Joe the plumber demographic out there.

    But that deal alone does not make sense as an even trade…they would need to get someone like Krecji as well (a top 6 winger), and maybe a highish draft pick. And Bruins would need to take a risk that Sanford could back up Rask.

    Chiarelli and Neely would sure as hell trade Tim and Krecji for Nash. Question is how high a pick they would have to send.

  94. Stranger – we can sign all of our RFAs. That’s the difference between Chicago and the position we’re in right now. Chicago was right at the cap with no significant contracts coming off. Byfuglien, Bolland, Versteeg, Keith, and Seabrook all had expiring deals along with a few other guys.

    If we make a trade now, we’re going to have to make some serious decisions come 2013. If we don’t make a trade now, we have plenty of money to keep everyone. We’re clearing about 9.3 mil in cap space based on guys that are definitely gone and part of Drury’s buy out (plus bonuses from last year). That doesn’t include the RFA/UFA that we’d probably keep. Even if the cap stays about the same, we’d have enough to keep DZ, Prust, Biron, and even Bickel/Mitchell. Now we could use part of that 9.3 mil to re-sign those guys and still have some left over to make a 1 year signing if necessary (which we wouldn’t need since we can assume Kreider or another AHL guy can come up).

    Now If we traded Dubi, that frees up even more cap space for us to play with and keep the core intact, but even without doing so, we have enough money to keep almost all of our RFAs.

  95. Franklin Kistner on

    I love listening to you kids. It reminds me of water cooler talks about the Blueshirts of the 60s when Win Elliot did the TV and Marv did radio. What a great season. What a great team. What a great fan base. I am in heaven.

    R A N G E R S !

  96. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Franklin –

    I bet you remember those telecasts when Win Elliot often referred to Camille Henry as “Camille Francis.” Camille and The Cat were physically constructed along similar lines.

    Also, I remember a commercial lead-in Elliot used to do: “Now here’s lovely Barbara McNair.” Getting paid for doing that was some job.

  97. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Marv, of course, never got beyond calling Vic Hadfield – “Hatfield.” lol

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