Tortorella post-practice

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Some good stuff from John Tortorella after practice today, including his picks for this weekend’s NFL games, his reaction to Jim Dolan’s visit in the coach’s press conference last night, some comments for a story I’m doing on Ryan Callahan, and about Carl Hagelin and what he’s done and what he needs to continue to do.

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  1. Doodie Machetto on

    No, I’m not taking that seriously. What I’m doing is pointing out how one metric does not measure a hockey player’s worth.

    I just started thinking of a few random players that I know are near the top of the career goalscoring list. You know some of the players who aren’t in the top 250 of career shooting percentage? Mike Gartner, Joe Sakic, Marcel Dionne. None of them are above 14% shooting for their careers. Tell me that you don’t think they are good players.

    Your shooting percentage metric is one of the most foolish things I’ve ever heard. And the fact that you thought 20% was something that a lot of great players can achieve shows how little you know about it.

  2. Who cares about shooting Percentage? This isn’t Basketball. Wouldn’t we all prefer that our guys shoot more in general?

  3. Hey DuckBill! How’s it going? I hope you’re doing well today. The weather is fantastic for a duck!

  4. Boom Boom Bathgate / New York "Hockey" Rangers Analyst on

    You are not entirely wrong, Doodie, but one can get wrapped up in totals to the detriment of rates of production and percentage indicators. So why not look at both of them?

    How do you do in investment markets? Because if I’m a dolt, to you, you must be Warren Buffet’s “Little Buddy.” lol.

  5. Doodie Machetto on

    Of investment markets, I know nothing.

    But I certainly hope for you and your clients, you know more about measuring them than you do about measuring hockey players.

  6. duckBill PLA-t-pus on

    manny-uel, we miss you at night during games…why you go MIA?? henpeckled?? we NEED OUR MANNY!!

  7. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Manuel de Barcelona –

    Well, I wish this “coach” would care a little bit about PP shooting percentage, because lately it’s been down to Zero, whatever the truckload number of attempts you and he want to cite as “success.” lol

  8. Actually Duckbill – blame James Dolan because I am forced to watch games on my computer instead of on Television and therefore I cannot post and watch at the same time. Usually though I find the in-game threads to be kind of overly emotional and distracting.

  9. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Manuel de Barcelona –

    We can talk about your applying for a clerical position with me when you put your baseball cap on forwards, not backwards. lol

  10. I still don’t care about the PP shooting %. Just score some goals or get some momentum going.

  11. Boom Boom – shooting % is a terrible stat. It proves efficiency based on shots, but doesn’t account for TOI and strength of opponent during those shifts. I get why you would look at that, but that’s being a bit ridiculous.

    About Stepan, he’s going to probably top out at maybe 65 points once he hits his stride in a few years. He can maybe have a 70+ point season since he does have the offensive instincts. He’s not a pure scorer though, more of a creative setup man. That’s why his first instinct is to pass most of the time unless he sees the lane to take the shot. But he can definitely chip in with goals, usually those that are considered “workman-like”.

  12. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I might be wrong here, but I believe you are automatically credited with a shot for a goal.

  13. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Manuel de Barcelona –

    You hit on an oxymoron there (no offense) in that scoring some goals on the PP WILL RAISE the PP shooting percentage. The fact that you don’t see a correlation between shooting percentage and the rate of scoring goals would embarrass the sixth graders up here in the mountains.

    How the hell can anyone take the position that scoring a goal on a shot on the PP will not make a difference in the PP shooting percentage? Ahh, the new math for Hockey Dummies. Yeetchhhh!

  14. Boom Boom – no one cares about shooting percentage. It only matters in a sport like Basketball. This is not basketball.

    Also we all understand how percentages work.

  15. Doodie Machetto on

    Well, that’s what I learned today.

    Boom Boom, scoring goals on the PP will not necessarily improve PP%. If we go 1-7 on the PP, we will have scored a PP goal, yet marginally decreased our PP%.

  16. Doodie Machetto on

    LW, hard to say without observing it in a game log. I think that if you shoot it into the net, you will get credit.

    This makes me think Callahan’s awarded goal didn’t count as a SOG.

  17. Goals / Shots = Shooting Percentage.

    As Doodie pointed out there are plenty of scenarios in which you could reduce your Shooting Percentage while scoring a goal.

  18. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Jonny D –

    Welcome to the cyber era in that every box score for every hockey game now contains TOI for even-strength and PP. So that while the statistics service for the NHL may not furnish us with a TOI breakdown relative to goals, we can do that ourselves for post categories.

    For example, over the past four games the Rangers have one PP goal, a tying (or tie-breaking) goal scored by Cally, primarily assisted by Richards.

    PP TOI for Ranger forwards in that span are:

    AA – 5.18 minutes
    Cally – 16.5
    Richards – 17.82
    Boyle – 1.30
    Duby – 0.93
    Gabby – 14.85
    Rupp – 4.83
    Stepan – 9.18

    Hagelin – 1.47
    Fedo – 1.20
    Prust – 0.13
    WW – 4.43
    Mitchell – 0.33

  19. HAMBONE (Sally) on

    Speaking of irrelevant measures of player skill, I really think having an awesome name should increase player value. I know I’ve made this argument before (see: Rosen’s Nosens 2009-2010).

    LEGWAND. Does that sound dirty to anyone else? *85%*

  20. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Hey Staal, those low percentage guys taking all those shots must be your heroes, like the Mets players getting 600 at bats and 120 hits in a season you drool over. lol.

  21. HAMBONE (Sally) on

    And players lose points for having two first names. I hate that.

    Bobby Ryan. *-238%*

  22. Not sure what you are getting at Boom Boom since thats such a small sample size. If you want to calculate actual efficiency that you can do trending off of, you have to look at at least 3-5 years of data.

    Plus on the PP, efficiency for individual players isn’t as important as team efficiency, especially since you usually only have 2 units.

    I have a bunch of stats on this from every year since the lockout, haven’t had time to update it in awhile, but I calculated player efficiency based on 16 different statistics and their correlation with team wins. Gave some very interesting results in regards to who had the best “team” based off of the data compiled.

  23. I think shots themselves are a better indicator of value than the percentage. A 30 G scorer with 400 shots may have a poor %, but his team most likely has possession of the puck more when he’s on the ice and have greater scoring opportunities due to rebounds and such. You could even argue that there is more impact on the fatigue of the opposing goalie.

    A friend of mine built an Access database for roto baseball that calculated z-scores for every player, weighing stats like SB’s more heavily than HR because they were harder to come by. A player that hit .280 over 600 ABs may be rated higher than someone with .340 over 150 AB’s because his production had a greater impact to his team.

    Anyway, it’s a philosophical debate between whether you judge by feel and raw skill, or by metrics.

  24. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Sally, my favorite player with two first names is Bobby Sanguinetti!

  25. Yeah I hate those guys like Ovechkin who have scored 50 goals multiple times in a season but has never had a shooting % better than 15%.

  26. HAMBONE (Sally) on

    Oh hi Doodie, have you been working out?

    And can we take a moment to have a good hearty laugh about Manny splitting his pants? HAR HAR HAR! I love you, Manny!

  27. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Thanks Gravy, nice add.

    Actually, in baseball, the average home run is worth 1.77 runs, while – Bill James dictum, here – “The stolen base is essentialy a break-even strategy.”

  28. The ultimate is a player with a second name as a first name and a first name as a second name.

    LeBron James
    Carmelo Anthony

  29. Gravy,

    Not sure I agree with the SB>HR methodology, given that a HR is basically the single best outcome you can expect from a plate apperance, but yes typically a guy that hits .280 in 600 ABs is going to provide more value when you factor in RBI opportunities and slugging pct. associated with putting the ball in play and reaching safely. Unless the guy with 150 ABs has the same amount of plate appearances as the guy with 600 ABs and draws an insane amount of walks to give him an astronomically high on base percentage.

  30. Sorry Boom Boom
    1st…who are the Mets? I hate baseball, its so….soft and “un-jammy”.
    2nd…I don’t drool and if I did, it wouldn’t be over percentages or investment markets, hedge funds, etc.
    3rd…my hero(s) is/are Boyle, Prust and Rupp which if I had to rank would go Boyle>Prust>Rupp
    4th…I’m a chiropractor, I have no clue when it comes to percentages, money markets, IRA’s, Roth IRA’s etc. I simply have no interest.
    5th…I love hockey and watching you drool over Kreider

  31. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    Some here are erroneously SEPARATING opportunities from goal scoring percentage. Ideally you would like to have a player averaging, say, eight shots on goal per night, to go with a 20 per cent shooting percentage. It is obviously better than half as many shots at the same percentage, or half the percentage with the same number of shots. So that if Ovie had a 20% shooting percentage to go with the same number of shots, you would have to like that even more than what you are getting, no?

    Got any math majors here, to go with all the third grade drop-outs?

  32. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    No hedge funds for me, Little Buddy. They are for the faint of heart and people who like old journeymen better than young, budding superstars.

  33. Boom Boom Bathgate / "Hey Little Buddy" on

    NYR_Fan –

    You may be joking or poking fun, but resoundingly yes, my Fib stats for Ranger players at even-strength are quite revealing, at least to me. If I shared them here too often, mental hamburgers like you would poke fun at them, in lieu of understanding their relevance.

    Kapish, Little Buddy? lol.

  34. Boom Boom,
    To be fair, I’m not sure shooting % is a valuable indicator, just like I don’t think BA is one in baseball. However, I do appreciate your argument and know where your coming from being in finance myself.

    Also, I agree the HR is more valuable than SB in real baseball, but the SB is harder to come by in fantasy.

  35. Doodie Machetto on

    8 shots a night, shooting 20%= 131 goal season. Yes, I would say that’s ideal.

    The math all makes sense, but you are ignoring the reality of hockey. You CAN’T shoot 8 times and shoot 20% on a consistent basis. Having the opportunities or the ability to consistently shoot 20% is really rare and probably out of any one player’s control. The ability to take 5 or 6 shots a game though? That, as a skilled player, you can make happen most nights. And the guys who have the most skill get the most goals from it as a result. That’s why Ovechkin’s huge number of shots turns into a ton of goals, why Gomez’s previously high number of shots ended up without.

    Either way, his shooting percentage is nothing to be marveled at.

  36. I’ll take the 50 goal scorer, however many of shots it takes to get there vs the guy that scores on 20% of his shots but scores less. Teams don’t win games based on who’s got the better shooting %.

  37. Doodie Machetto on

    CTB, that’s what I’m saying. Shooting percentage only matters if you have the goals to back it up. At the end of the day, give me the guy with the 5% shooting percentage with 50 goals vs the 50% shooter with 5.

  38. Looks like Callahan wasn’t credited with a SOG for the ENG last night, but generally ENGs do count as SOGs.

    Must just be an exception for awarded goals or own goals.

  39. But stats like Corsi relative QoC, cross referenced to PDO do reveal how well players are handling a specific role and how “at fault” or “responsible” they are for the scoring that takes place when they’re on the ice.

  40. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Nobody scores 50 goals on 5 % shooting, Doodie. Can you do a little better? 50 goals on 5 per cent shooting is 1000 SOG in an 82 game season, 12 shots on goal per game. Not your best analogy, in that a 5 per cent shooter is going to get about 8 minutes playing time, per game, killing penalties.

    Try again, if you like. Without the egg on your face, Little Buddy.

  41. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Sure hope those New York “Football” Giants win Hyperbole xxxxvi. lol

  42. Hey Boom Boom – can you turn down the personal attacks on doodie and CT. Those guys are pretty legit. You can focus your distaste upon me

  43. I’d still take the 5% shooter/50 goal scorer. Maybe he goes by the name Kris Chreider.

  44. I’d rather analyze numbers and advanced stats than watch games. Hockey is one of those sports that is completely predictable and human emotion is not a factor. Thank goodness for advanced stats because I could never watch a boring hockey game.

  45. billybleedsblue on

    Foodie how did you prepare the egg? Perhaps poached over a crab cake topped with Hollandaise?

    If Crosby were healthy, he’d have 12 SOG / game, but he’d have a much higher shooting % than a paltry 5%. C’mon, he’s Sid the Kid. He’d have a 100 goal season, easily.

  46. Good afternoon, Hamslice!

    Lin, you missed it yesterday. Asshats were flying.

    Speaking of which :), Boom, thank you for driving all this traffic.

    Yes, Doodie, that’s Katie Strang.

  47. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Damn, Ovie could play for the “Knickerbockers” (you’re welcome, Steve) he is such a ball hog. Melo move over. So Ovie can’t pot 15% of those shots he takes? He will fade fast when he hits the downside brick wall. Overrated bum.

  48. Doodie Machetto on

    So, real example for you Boom Boom: Give me the guy that leads the league in shots and scores 30 goals with a 8.7 shooting percentage over the guy that scored 19 shooting 18.4% (your boy Korpikoski)

  49. Something the NHL doesn’t track but should is the location of shots. When I was in college and had free time I tried to gather a bunch of that data just to do a test of the scoring likelihood when in certain areas of the ice. Also tried to break it down by what types of shots were taken in those areas.

    No surprise, shots taken from the middle of the slot had by far the highest percentage of goals/shots out of any area of the ice. Most shots were taken from the left side boards and had the lowest chance of going in. Many of the shots in front of the net were tip-ins on shots from the point, and most shots from the point that weren’t deflected were slapshots.

    That data is pretty obvious, but I was curious since I was trying to find out who the most effective player is offensively (hence the one who gets to the slot the most and releases wrist shots, and shoots at the highest percentage in that area). Obviously that was way too time consuming so I never got around to finishing it, especially once I started working.

  50. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Carp –

    If agree with me on anything, I must be slipping. lol

  51. CT, I agree that Bryz would have a high percentage… what do you think? High 80s?

    Also, Tim Thomas *minus 35%* at least

  52. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Actually, Carmelo has improved this year, over his selfish debut in New York, last year.

    This year he is averaging 2.27 points per missed shot – the NBA average for forwards is 1.61 points per missed shot, so that Carmelo is 41 per cent above par, there.

    He is averaging .43 defensive rebounds per missed shot, the league average is .61, so he is 29 1/2 per cent below par, there.

    And he is averaging .38 assists per missed shot, the NBA average for forwards is .225, so that he is 69 per cent above average in that category.

    So you can say he is making a solid contribution in two of the three most important categories. The numbers per missed shot from the floor are my frame of reference, only. I try not to subscribe to conventional statistics or value judgments.

  53. Geez, busy at work, missing all the fun….

    How many little buddies do we have here? Time to grow up and quit playing with your crayons, folks.

    Carp, why didn’t anyone ask Torts why Hagelin isn’t on PP? It’s quite possible that it just hasn’t crossed his mind yet and he’s been too busy lately to read our blog…

  54. I have lots of Good Ideas about this topic (and many others). Other skill categories that are NOT taken seriously enough, IMHO:

    – Ability to grow facial hair
    – Ability to get teeth re-inserted without flinching and then go out and kick some butt
    – Owns pets that do cool things (not to be confused with owns attractive pets, which is a totally stupid and gross category)
    – Likeliness to be mistaken for a zombie (Rod the Bod *100%* )
    – Nose picking skill

  55. I’m thinking aboot those poor fluffy matzo balls and Hambone getting along in peace and harmony.

  56. BANJ, fluffy matzo balls are where it’s AT. HAMBONE gets along with all kinds of food.

  57. What about lines? I’d have to give high credit to the Czech Mates Nedved, Hlavac, and Dvorak (+333%) with honorable mention to the Predators’ (since they just played them) line of Erat, Orszagh, and Arkhipov (+300%).

  58. Gravy, your percentages just went up for that awesome idea. I always wanted a Ruutu – Tootoo – Cheechoo line.

  59. Holy hartnell! people in the place where I’m killing time are giving me the furry eyeball with the way I’m spitaking al over my poor iPad…..hilarity!

  60. ilb, I know you can’t stay up late so you missed this post last night:

    Carp January 18th, 2012 at 1:43 am e

    Torts told me he’s not putting Hagelin on the PP just to be smirky and sarcastic, and to piss off anybody who thinks he should put Hagelin on the PP, and anybody who thinks he hates Hagelin, plus to prove again that he’s an egomaniacal bully who will torpedo the team’s season, if necessary, to get his way and prove he’s right.

  61. Carp, aren’t you happy I have a desk job again? Maybe “happy” isn’t the right word. We get to spend so much time together now!!!

  62. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Interesting, how people try to denigrate the statistical branch of mathematics, and math, altogether. In fact, in school, all of us took TWO, meaningful courses for our future effectiveness in society, English, with its communications discipline, and math, the foundation of all business. And science can be included, though I wouldn’t put the biology and chemistry courses I took on a par with English vocabulary, literature, spelling and compositional skills, nor on a level even approaching math for future relevance in the lives of all of us.

    The fluff courses many of us took included French or some language, gym class, music class, history, health, R.O.T.C., and other assorted waste of time courses.

    So that, sure, my methods don’t resonate for others, while they do have relevance for me, but the math foundation, to go with developed english communications skills have served me better than all the other junk courses I took in school and college, put together.

    I state the above because of a seemingly derisive poke at statistics, and math beyond that, by inference, above. How mis-guided that is, in the context of what is useful and important to one’s very survival in this world.

  63. plus, as LW will tell you, I refuse to admit to the impending disaster that surrounds this coach… or something like that.

  64. I’ve got a statistical background and I still think a decent chunk of your points today don’t add up (excuse the pun), Boom Boom.

  65. So, we now have a captain (welcome back amigo!) and a general …. And obviously plenty of plebes….we got ourselves a real troop building…..FTroop :)

  66. billybleedsblue on

    Professor Boom Boom — there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Mark Twain said that, so MY POST = MATH + ENGLISH. And, Kathryn Tappen.

  67. I agree with, LW. Not just because the British are our oppressor’s and I am scared. I actually agree with him.

  68. Thanks Hambone. My small contribution for adding to the statistics lunacy.

    Thrashers had Ilya Kovalchuk, Nik Antropov, Maxim Afinogenov (+234%).

  69. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    So share some of your – original – hockey stats with us, ilb. And I will thank you for that if they hit the mark. And if they don’t, I won’t take a cheap shot at you or the numbers, I will thank you for putting yourself on the line and posting them.

  70. Boom Boom, I am not a statistician, but I do a fair amount of research that requires a complex statistical analysis. Most of it is done by a designated person, but I do know a thing or two about statistics. And a very superficial look at your data suggests that while it’s important to you, it doesn’t hold water from a statistical point of view….

  71. Boom Boom Bathgate - FOUR CUPS since 1926 on

    Life was simple when the lines were composed of:

    Ratelle-Hadfield-Gilbert; Keon with Duff and Armstrong; Beliveau with Ferguson and Geoffrion; Pulford with Pappin and Stewart; Goyette with Marshall and Nevin, Sullivan with Bathgate and Prentice; Delvecchio with Howe and MacDonald; Hay with Hull and Balfour; Mikita with Mohns and Wharram; Kelly with Mahovlich and Nevin; Richard with Rousseau and Tremblay; Ingarfield with Fleming and Geoffrion; etc. Ahh, the good old days when life was special and those madhouse Garden hockey games were golden.

    “Good evening, ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Madison Square Garden. The National Hockey League presents the New York Rangers and the Toronto Maple Leafs. Please note the following changes on your scorecard – lineup. For Toronto, scratch number 25, Marc Reaume. For New York, scratch, number 8, Louie Fontinato. The referee for tonight’s game: Red Storey. And now, please rise for the playing of our National Anthem.”

    ********

  72. Ahhh! Yes! That’s right! The enigma!

    Maybe he’s normal and just could take the insanity?

  73. That must be it, NYR. Poor Latona. He named Waseka. He made the lunch contest. Then he left due to the insanity of 90% of the people on here.

  74. Oh for hartnell…….perfect timing for me anyhoo….Work done, off for home. Take that you punks!!!!! Later all!

  75. billybleedsblue on

    HOLY COW TORTS SAYS GIANTS BY 10 !!!!!!!

    and he calls the Pats to win.

    Looks like a Superbowl 42 rematch folks.

  76. billybleedsblue on

    hahaha, Torts at the end there (on Carp’s audio) commenting on the Winter Classic… will he get fined for that too? hahaha

  77. Wasn’t a vacation, Lev….Attended my co-workers wedding in PR over the weekend…Guess you can call it a short vacation.

  78. Math was my worse subject, and you have all left me far behind.

    But I do have a question……..
    [And hoping that one of the pointy heads can answer for me]

    Who was the last goaltender to shoot a puck the length of the ice into an empty net? Was it one of the Islander kids?

    What would his number look like, and include the TOI that you have placed in play?

  79. Staal Wart and the Overachievers on

    Sweet back up and running
    See all those percentages even put the blog to sleep!

  80. Now everyone has to do a Tony in AZ…. refresh, refresh, refresh to get our numbers back up there! Carp lost a lot of dinero last night.

  81. From now on, if anyone disappears for an unexplained long time, we’ll say “he/she pulled a Rangers Report.”

  82. Good thing it wasn’t on a game night. Boneheads would be talking to themselves while watching the game.

  83. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    Welcome back ‘Heads! Shaking my fists at the government conspiracy that shut down the blog yesterday!

    LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!! NHL aka pen()S Network tonight, good times

  84. I have to clear something up.

    A “BANJ” is when a person refuses to be Carped and keeps on posting.

  85. Hey, the blog is back up! Yay! I don’t know how I would have gotten through my work day without checking in. ( :

  86. http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2011/12/22/note-chris-kreider-is-going-to-be-great/

    This is an even better link about Kreider. Many people with no ties to the Ranger organization weighing in with great things to say about this kid.

    Of course you never know about prospects, but the track record in the last few years of the ranger organization has bee VERY IMPRESSIVE!

    Our ALL STAR DEFENSEMAN was undrafted!

    Can’t help but be excited by this kid. When I saw him play, I couldn’t get over his speed for such a big guy…

  87. Of course you never know about prospects, but the track record in the last few years of the ranger organization has bee VERY IMPRESSIVE!

    ***

    Anything after the 1st round I’d agree. But particularly at forward they’ve had a lot of swings and misses in the 1st round. The last drafted Ranger to score 30 in a season in a Rangers jersey, Prucha. The last drafted Ranger to score 30 in a season multiple times in a Rangers jersey, Amonte. The 1st round picks from 2003, 2004 (2), 2006 never got any meanginful playing time with the Rangers.

    I’m not saying that Kreider is going to be a bust, I’m just as excited as everyone else is to see how he can play but let’s temper the talk that he’s going to make an immediate impact in the NHL. If he puts up a season like Stepan did last year that would be great, even a season like Dubinsky’s rookie year would be respectable. Very few guys step in during their rookie season and make a profound impact and they’re usually guys taken within the first 5 picks like Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin. A step down from those guys rookie years are players like Kane and Toews and then afterwards Stamkos, Tavares and Duchene.

  88. Jlone2Bubblehead on

    Hail Friends!
    I know this team keeps on winning and winning, but i just cant see them as an elite force come playoff time. They are extremely entertaining to watch, most nights. There are flashes of brilliance all over the ice… but i just dont see them dominating the teams that their record would indicate. My concern is that they never become more than what they are. The Penguins and Bruins of the league peak and excel come playoff time. If the NYR don’t add another dimention to their game as it stands, first or second round and out.

  89. The Penguins and Bruins of the league peak and excel come playoff time. If the NYR don’t add another dimention to their game as it stands, first or second round and out.

    ***

    The Penguins when healthy are dangerous. But there’s no indication that Crosby will even be back this season.

    The Bruins blew a 3-0 series lead in 2010 and last year was the first time they made it past the 2nd round in about 20 years.

    Are the Rangers an elite team? Tough to say, I’d lean towards no if they can’t kick their scoring back into gear and sustain it for longer stretches. Can they play like an elite team in short spurts, which is sometimes all you need to get on a run in the playoffs? Yes they can.

  90. Jlone2Bubblehead on

    I would probably feel differently if they were top 10 on the PP. 5 on 5 scoring is definitely preferred, but when the opposition gives you a gift, you have to take advantage of it.

  91. Giants by 10!!! Boy I hope so. To be in New York on Superbowl Sunday, and watch a Flyers/Rangers game in the afternoon. This could be THE best weekend of the year :)

    See you all in 3 weeks!!!!

  92. In that case:

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    Corsi Rel QoC 13 GA On/60 36 Def Faceoff Wins 59
    Corsi QoC 14 SF On/60 37 Def Faceoff Loss 60
    Corsi Rel QoT 15 SA On/60 38 Neu Faceoff Wins 61
    Corsi QoT 16 MF On/60 39 Neu Faceoff Loss 62
    G/60 17 MA On/60 40 Off Zone Start % 63
    A1/60 18 PF On/60 41 Off Zone Finish 64
    A2/60 19 PA On/60 42 Def Zone Finish 65
    P/60 20 PF Off/60 43 Neu Zone Finish 66
    GF On 21 PA Off/60 44 Off Zone Finish % 67
    GA On 22 Pens Taken/60 45

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    On-Ice Goals For per 60 Minutes
    RK SEASON NAME TEAM G/60 A1/60 A2/60 P/60 GF On GA On GF On/60 GA On/60 +- On/60 GF Off/60 GA Off/60 +- Off/60 Corsi Relative Corsi On Corsi Off On-Ice Sh% On-Ice Sv% PDO Off Zone Start % Off Zone Finish % Off Faceoff Wins Off Faceoff Loss Def Faceoff Wins Def Faceoff Loss Neu Faceoff Wins Neu Faceoff Loss Off Zone Finish Def Zone Finish Neu Zone Finish
    1 2011-2012 Season ANDREDEVEAUX NYR 0.00 0.00 1.28 1.28 4 1 5.13 1.28 3.85 2.94 1.79 1.14 19.0 5.13 -13.87 26.67 941 1208 37.9 51.7 4 7 12 6 8 5 15 14 22
    2 2011-2012 Season CARLHAGELIN NYR 0.90 0.36 0.90 2.16 18 9 3.24 1.62 1.62 2.46 1.83 0.63 18.1 11.88 -6.23 9.23 934 1026 36.3 46.7 45 24 67 54 45 64 98 112 106
    3 2011-2012 Season JOHNMITCHELL NYR 0.84 0.42 0.63 1.90 15 5 3.16 1.05 2.11 2.51 1.98 0.54 18.5 12.87 -5.63 9.26 956 1048 45.4 55.3 38 26 42 35 49 47 99 80 77
    4 2011-2012 Season DEREKSTEPAN NYR 0.79 1.08 0.30 2.17 31 14 3.05 1.38 1.67 2.36 2.04 0.32 -3.4 -9.06 -5.68 11.19 956 1068 60.7 52.1 84 114 67 61 86 92 214 197 188
    5 2011-2012 Season KRISNEWBURY NYR 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 2 3 2.94 4.41 -1.47 1.02 2.25 -1.23 -14.2 -29.41 -15.16 16.67 897 1063 37.5 39.3 2 7 10 5 4 2 11 17 14
    6 2011-2012 Season ARTEMANISIMOV NYR 0.46 1.02 0.57 2.05 25 18 2.84 2.05 0.80 2.47 1.84 0.63 9.5 0.23 -9.28 9.58 929 1024 51.3 55.2 61 95 73 75 104 83 192 156 166
    7 2011-2012 Season BRANDONDUBINSKY NYR 0.45 0.90 0.34 1.68 25 16 2.81 1.80 1.01 2.59 1.82 0.76 10.7 -0.11 -10.81 9.77 937 1034 45.0 48.7 70 65 83 82 117 103 186 196 179
    8 2011-2012 Season MARIANGABORIK NYR 1.48 0.46 0.28 2.22 29 19 2.68 1.76 0.92 2.51 1.89 0.62 3.9 -3.97 -7.85 9.27 940 1033 60.1 54.2 93 122 80 63 102 92 247 209 193
    9 2011-2012 Season RYANCALLAHAN NYR 0.55 0.82 0.55 1.91 28 26 2.55 2.36 0.18 2.57 1.62 0.95 -5.5 -10.45 -4.93 9.36 920 1013 44.7 47.5 101 79 105 118 123 136 212 234 212
    10 2011-2012 Season BRADRICHARDS NYR 1.05 0.35 0.18 1.58 27 29 2.37 2.55 -0.18 2.65 1.52 1.14 -2.9 -8.61 -5.72 8.26 916 999 49.4 49.5 112 86 104 99 112 125 231 236 217
    11 2011-2012 Season SEANAVERY NYR 1.71 0.00 0.00 1.71 4 2 2.29 1.14 1.14 3.24 2.03 1.22 10.1 0.00 -10.14 9.30 961 1054 57.1 51.9 12 20 14 10 23 14 42 39 31
    12 2011-2012 Season BRIANBOYLE NYR 0.34 0.34 0.34 1.03 20 14 2.28 1.59 0.68 2.66 1.93 0.72 6.4 -1.82 -8.27 8.06 939 1020 28.7 44.4 53 37 125 99 84 96 155 194 151
    13 2011-2012 Season MICHAELRUPP NYR 1.65 0.00 0.00 1.65 5 4 2.06 1.65 0.41 2.38 1.48 0.90 -26.2 -27.63 -1.41 10.20 950 1052 42.0 50.0 10 19 23 17 20 21 47 47 43
    14 2011-2012 Season WOJTEKWOLSKI NYR 0.00 0.00 1.99 1.99 3 5 1.99 3.31 -1.32 1.68 2.36 -0.67 -5.4 -9.94 -4.55 6.82 898 966 54.8 54.2 12 11 10 9 12 17 39 33 24
    15 2011-2012 Season RUSLANFEDOTENKO NYR 0.57 0.45 0.23 1.25 17 18 1.93 2.04 -0.11 2.83 1.69 1.14 -15.4 -18.62 -3.23 8.13 936 1017 38.2 47.4 55 63 107 84 80 88 171 190 157
    16 2011-2012 Season BRANDONPRUST NYR 0.15 0.87 0.29 1.31 13 12 1.89 1.74 0.15 2.72 1.88 0.85 -13.8 -17.74 -3.96 8.84 940 1028 38.9 42.0 36 46 72 57 68 67 116 160 123
    17 2011-2012 Season ERIKCHRISTENSEN NYR 0.00 0.45 0.45 0.90 4 4 1.79 1.79 0.00 2.61 2.00 0.62 -0.2 -12.08 -11.84 8.33 947 1031 44.0 50.0 10 23 22 20 26 21 42 42 38
    18 2011-2012 Season MATSZUCCARELLO NYR 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.71 2.71 0.00 -14.6 -18.98 -4.33 0.00 1000 1000 100.0 75.0 1 0 0 0 5 3 6 2 2

  93. Carp not that you brought it up. Hags makes Boyle’s line look good, also added spark to Richie and Cally’s line, and really looked good with Gabby & Step. Why not make the power play look good, even if its the 2nd power play line.

    Can’t hurt it that’s for sure?…… thoughts?

  94. stranger nation on

    C3P – you trying to awaken Bob the Builder? He hasn’t been here since Thanksgiving given the Rangers stellar play.

    Can’t wait to see the new Lady Byng nominee Matt Cooke is he continues his transformation from punk assen cheap shot artist to respectful punk assen cheap shot artist.

  95. stranger nation on

    Sioux – Hags is doing everything including bringing the donuts in the morning. I think he will start to get PP time especially playing on the wing with Gabby and Step.

    Richie Rich needs to begin to assert himself in the New Year. I hope he doesn’t have the nasty ‘bug’ that inflicted Gabby last season.

  96. 18 2011-2012 Season MATSZUCCARELLO NYR 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 2.71 2.71 0.00 -14.6 -18.98 -4.33 0.00 1000 1000 100.0 75.0 1 0 0 0 5 3 6 2 2

    Ah ha…. u know what is…

    Zucca-rello Zucca-rello Zucca-rello

  97. Hags is a rookie and HE seems to be having a significant impact on the team. I saw Kreider play in 2010 in Boston. He is Hags in terms of skating ability with a better shot and better hands in a MUCH bigger body. why can’t he come in and have an impact. I am not saying he is going to come in and dominate; but what I am saying is that I would NOT mortgage the future to get a power forward who scores when I think we have one waiting in the wings… Just my humble opinion….

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