Rangers at Devils tonight; ticket contest kicks off


OK, Go! The score predictions contest begins now. All predictions must be made in this thread only.

You CANNOT enter more than once. Scroll down to Monday’s early thread or click here for the complete rules. Read them before entering.

Entries close when “It’s Go Time!” is posted before tonight’s game.


Pre-game notes, courtesy of the NYR:

Tuesday, Dec. 20, 7:00 p.m.
Prudential Center – Newark, New Jersey
Rangers: 18-8-4 (40 pts)
Devils: 18-13-1 (37 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Dec. 18

The Rangers will face-off against the New Jersey Devils at Prudential Center (7:00 p.m.), in the first of four straight games against Atlantic Division opponents. The Blueshirts currently rank second in the Atlantic Division standings, and fourth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 18-8-4 (40 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Phoenix Coyotes, 3-2, on Saturday at Jobing.com Arena, and have now registered at least one point in 17 of their last 22 games (15-5-2). The Devils enter the contest with a 18-13-1 (37 pts) record to rank sixth in the Eastern Conference, and have won their last four games. Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the New York Islanders on Thursday, Dec. 22, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in the first of back-to-back home games.

* TV: MSG Network

6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Bill Pidto and Ron Duguay
7:00 p.m. – Rangers at Devils
Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
* Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio and newyorkrangers.com
6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
7:00 p.m. – Rangers at Devils
Broadcasters: Kenny Albert (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)

* All-Time: 98-82-27-5 overall (54-29-20-2 at home; 44-53-7-3 on the road)
* 2011-12: Tonight is the first of six meetings this season, and the first of three on the road.
* Last Season: New York was 4-2-0 overall, with a 2-1-0 mark on the road. The Rangers held the Devils to one or fewer goals in four of the six meetings, and out-scored New Jersey, 16-8, in the season series. Brandon Dubinsky led the Blueshirts in scoring with four goals and seven points, while Artem Anisimov tallied a team-high, five assists in six games. Henrik Lundqvist was 4-2-0 with a 1.44 GAA, .953 Sv% and one shutout.
* Nine of their last 12 meetings have been decided by two goals or less
* Henrik Lundqvist has started in 31 straight games against the Devils
* New York ranks fifth with a 10-5-2 (22 pts) record on the road; New Jersey ranks 26th with a 7-5-1 (15 pts) mark at home
* The Rangers have posted a 3-1-0 record vs. Atlantic Division opponents; the Devils are 2-3-0 vs. the Atlantic Division
* Henrik Lundqvist has posted a 22-9-5 record with a 1.85 GAA and five shutouts in 36 career regular season games vs. New Jersey; Martin Biron is 8-15-2-2 with a 3.16 GAA and two shutouts in 30 career regular season games vs. the Devils
* Brad Richards leads the Rangers with 26 assists and 31 points in 32 career regular season games vs. New Jersey; Brandon Dubinsky has registered a team-high, nine goals in 26 career regular season contests vs. the Devils
* New York lists one former Devil on their roster: Mike Rupp (2002-03 – 2003-04, 2006-07 – 2008-09)
* New Jersey lists one former Ranger on their roster: Petr Sykora (2005-06)

The Rangers are 11-47 (23.4%) with the man advantage in the last 12 games. The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held their opponent scoreless in five of their last six games (18-19, 94.7% over the span), while tallying three shorthanded goals during the stretch, and is 28-31 (90.3%) in the last 11 games. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 13-1-2 in games when tallying a power play goal, and are 12-3-2 when holding their opponent scoreless on the power play.
* Power Play: The Rangers tallied one goal in six power play attempts (9:40) on Saturday at Phoenix. New York ranks 20th overall (20-121, 16.5%) and 26th on the road (7-61, 11.5%). The Rangers are 2-11 (8:16) in five-on-three situations (last – 12/17 at PHX), and 0-4 (3:46) when four-on-three (last – 11/3 vs. ANA). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore); 12/17 at PHX (Korpikoski).
* Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts surrendered one goal in two shorthanded situations (2:07) on Saturday at Phoenix. New York ranks fifth overall (95-110, 86.4%) and 15th on the road (55-66, 83.3%). The Rangers are 5-6 (3:26) in three-on-five situations (last – 12/17 at PHX), and 0-1 (1:17) when three-on-four (last – 10/7 at LAK). Shorthanded goals for (4): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan).
* Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Saturday at Phoenix. The Rangers are plus-three in 33 four-on-four situations (60:21), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (0).

The Rangers are scheduled to play 14 back-to-back sets this season. New York has posted a record of 3-0-1 (1-0-0 at home, 2-0-1 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 3-0-1 (3-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 24-8-3 in the second game of back-to-back sets, with a 12-3-1 mark at MSG and 12-5-2 on the road over the span. Henrik Lundqvist has started on consecutive days 56 times in his career, posting a record of 35-14-7 with a 1.82 GAA, .935 Sv% and six shutouts in the second game. The Rangers’ next back-to-back set, their fifth of the season, is Dec. 22-23 against the NY Islanders and Philadelphia, with both games at MSG.

SINCE 2007-08
The Rangers own a record of 17-7-2 vs. the Devils since the start of the 2007-08 season, including an 8-4-1 mark on the road during the stretch, dating back to a 2-0 win on Oct. 25, 2007. Henrik Lundqvist has registered a 2.11 goals against average, a .924 save percentage and five shutouts in the 26-game stretch.

Henrik Lundqvist has faced-off against Martin Brodeur in 30 career regular season contests, posting a record of 20-5-5 with a 1.82 goals against average, .932 save percentage and four shutouts over the span.

* The Rangers’ eight regulation losses are tied for the fewest in the NHL
* New York has registered a point in 17 of their last 22 games (15-5-2), and has out-scored their opponent, 71-49, during the stretch
* The Blueshirts rank second in the league in fewest goals against (64) and fourth in GAA (2.13)
* The Rangers rank fourth in the NHL in hits (807), including third in road hits (450)
* New York is 5-1-1 when leading after the first period and 11-0-2 when leading after the second
* The Blueshirts rank fifth in the NHL in team plus/minus rating (plus-17) and fourth in goal differential (plus-20)
* The Rangers rank 10th in the league in goals scored per game (2.87)
* The Blueshirts lead the league with an .833 win% when out-shooting their opponent (10-2-0)
* The Rangers are 7-0-0 all-time in games when Brandon Prust is assessed a fighting major in the opening two minutes
* The Blueshirts rank second in the NHL when scoring first, posting a 14-1-1 mark (.875 win%) in those contests, and their 14 wins are tied for third in the league
* New York notched two shorthanded goals in the second period on Dec. 10 at Buffalo, marking the first time the team tallied two shorthanded goals in the same period since Mar. 6, 1997 at Los Angeles (2nd Period, B. Berg at 6:09 and N. Sundstrom at 15:11). *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau
* Rangers’ prospects Christian Thomas (Canada), J.T. Miller (USA) and Peter Ceresnak (Slovakia) have been invited to participate in their respective National Junior Team’s selection camp for the 2012 IIHF World Junior Championship

* Henrik Lundqvist has held opponents to two or fewer goals in 14 games this season, and is 10-4-1 with a 1.92 GAA, .935 Sv% and one shutout in his last 15 games
* Martin Biron has held opponents to two or fewer goals in five of his seven starts this season
* Michael Del Zotto has tallied 10 points (1 G, 9 A) in the last 11 games
* Marian Gaborik has tallied 23 points (13 G, 10 A) in the last 23 games, with 10 points (7 G, 3A) in the last 10
* Gaborik leads the team with seven multi-point games
* Ryan Callahan has tallied 12 points (4 G, 8 A) in the last 12 games
* Brad Richards has tallied 21 points (11 G, 10 A) in the last 22 games, with 13 points (6 G, 7 A) in the last 12
* Derek Stepan has tallied 20 points (7 G, 13 A) in the last 22 contests, with nine points (3 G, 6 A) in the last nine
* Artem Anisimov has tallied seven points (4 G, 3 A) in his last eight games

* Marian Gaborik: 2 assists from 300th NHL career; 2 points from 600th NHL career
* Dan Girardi: 4 assists from 100th NHL career


* Brad Richards: 800th career NHL game (12/13 vs. DAL)
* Marian Gaborik: 300th career NHL goal (12/17 at PHX)


* Marc Staal (concussion, IR on 10/5) – 30
* Wojtek Wolski (groin, 11/3) – 19
* Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) – 6
* Artem Anisimov (illness) – 1
* Steve Eminger (shoulder, 12/17)
Total Man-Games Lost: 87

* Dec. 14 – Recalled defenseman Tim Erixon from Connecticut (AHL)
* Dec. 16 – Assigned defenseman Tim Erixon to Connecticut (AHL)
* Dec. 18 – Recalled defenseman Stu Bickel from Connecticut (AHL)
* Dec. 19 – Recalled defenseman Tim Erixon from Connecticut (AHL)

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  1. Good morning!

    Rangers 5 Devils 2 GWG: MDZ on a rare PP slapper SHG: NYR 33 NJD 28

  2. Rangers 4, devils 2. Gwg Rupp, sog – Rangers 27, Devils 32. I’ll be watching till twc won’t let me.

  3. Morning Carp
    Going tonight never been to the Pebble.

    Rangers 4 Debbie’s 2
    GWG dime a dozen Prust
    Rangers shots 28
    Debbie shots 23

  4. Erica Christensen on

    Rangers 0, Devils 1. GWG: Own goal (courtesy of me). Rangers shots: 0 (I shoot wide every time). Devils shots: 50 (all shots screened by me).

  5. *NYR* I know this will get lost in this thread. Sadly. I was just listening to the Marek v. Wyshynski podcast and they were talking about nicknames and saying how they love ^hobbit wizard^ as a nickname but Zuccarello hates it. Did you do this? Did this nickname actually originate here?

  6. morning everyone. I’ll take a stab at this.

    Devils 4, Rangers 2. GWG: Parise. Rangers shots: 31. Devils shots: 27

  7. HockeymanRangers on

    Here goes it:

    Rangers that’s the NY Rangers by the way: 5
    New Jersey Devils: 3
    Game winnin Goal: Pruster
    Rangers that’s NY Rangers SOG 32
    New Jersey Devils: SOG 38

  8. ORR – I had something to tell you and I can’t remember…..OH YEA

    I made my fantasy football finals last night. Worst I can do is runner up. I rule. Winning Money. Cashing Checks and Breaking Necks.

  9. So far the unbiased Boneheads have the Rangers winning in 37 of 39 entries and that includes Erica’s Debbie pick where EC scores an own goal.

    I can’t get any closer than last time – got the score and the GW scorer but off by one on the Ranger SOG. If I really wanted to win my odds maybe better served picking the dreaded Debbies, but the heart says:
    Ranger 3 Fatsos 2
    GW – Stepan
    SOG – Rangers 28 (sticking to it), Debs 27

    Alternative ending – Rangers 4, Devils 3 OT – GW Matteau
    Rangers sign Brian Leetch, Mark Messier and Stephan Matteau to 1-day contracts and immediately activate them for tonight’s game. Dolan won’t admit it but he’s made a bet with Snyder on the outcome of the Winter Classic Alumni game. Torts puts up a fight but grudgingly admits that Leetch in nhis sleep is still better than either Bickel and Erixon and takes the group as a package.

    Messier, who guaranteed a victory tonight but stated it too late to make the papers scores a hat trick to tie the game and, of course, Matteau swoops behing the net in OT and stuffs one by a bedeviled Fatso

  10. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Devils 4
    Rangers 1
    GWG: Kovalchuk
    32 Devs shots
    25 Rangers shots

    Rupp will have to earn his paycheck tonight.

  11. Rangers 4, Devils 1. GWG: Anisimov. Rangers shots: 28. Devils shots: 32.

    If i win you can sell them and give the money to charity (given i’m 3000+ miles and an ocean away!)

  12. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    Morning ‘Heads!

    Ok… Rangers 3 Devils 2 gwg Dubinsky (FOUR MILLION)
    shots: Rangers 24 Devils 28

  13. Think we might be seeing a Rupp/Janssen tilt tonight? I’d rather see an Avery/Kovalchoke scrap!

  14. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    LMAO Banj, Torts says he’s keeping me on the bench until the 26th. He says EC is better than me lol

  15. As I have said many times, people who don’t pick the Rangers to win should be eliminated from the contest, orr.

  16. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    Thanks Ilbzo. I only took the lortab before i went to sleep. I’ll deal with any pain i have today, until i go to sleep than i’ll take another lortab. Hopefully after today i won’t need it

  17. I think they may have won them all, CTB.

    Especially since I have to scroll through all the winning scores and tiebreakers and there are always a ton of them, and nobody ever seems to pick the opponent.

  18. Ok then. I will feel better if I don’t win the contest because of the team I chose to win doesn’t.

  19. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on


    To all my lovely Jewish brother and sister Boneheads: HAPPY HANUKKAH!!!

  20. ddebened what did I do?? Did I mess something up and not even know it?? Usually it’s my wife complaining that I f***d something up. LOL

  21. “Brandon Dubinsky has registered a team-high, nine goals in 26 career regular season contests vs. the Devils” Tonight’s the night, folks.

  22. Rangers 4, Devils 2 GWG – Anisimov NYR Shots – 33 NJD Shots 26

    Big stretch for us this week. Let’s get it started off right!

  23. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    much better today Sassy! Thanks for asking!

    Dubi scores tonight! I feel it in my bones!!

  24. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    lol Sally, he’d have to grant his own wishes then!!

    For today, I agree with Buff’s starting time.

  25. some “i always read but never post” schmuck is gonna snatch these tickets as always!

    so…im not playing this game no more! i never win! whine whine whine! ;)

  26. Is anyone looking for Winter Classic Tickets, but not looking to spend StubHub prices? If so, let me know. I have 2 tickets and will not be able to go. They’re hard tickets – the only way allowed for this event. I live in Stamford and will be at the Rangers/Flyers game Friday, so if you’d be available to meet for pick-up, that would be ideal. It’s section 306, the Pavilion Deck. Tickets in this section on StubHub are going for $400+. I’m looking to get $625 for the pair. If so, send me an email, wag279@gmail.com

  27. CCCP: Since I’m one of those “schmucks”, I don’t enter these contests. That and the fact that I’m a season subscriber.

  28. I really dislike these threads. They are real conversation killers. Not that I had anything useful to say.

    Rangers 4, Devils 0
    GWG DUBINSKY (Not an Empty Netter)
    SOG: Rangers 35, Debbies 23

  29. Ted

    thank you for specifying that the score you posted is a prediction… otherwise we would think you actually know the future! :)

  30. You can really see the change in confidence though throughout these threads. People used to have the Rangers winning by 1 goal and being outshot like 5/1. Now the majority of the people think the Rangers will outshoot their opponents. I think that is thanks to Carl Hagelin. Who needs a nickname

  31. Oh also – so I heard on the podcast, Marek V. Wyshynski that rumor was that Sather had a deal in place for Steven Stamkos when the teams were in Europe (this was a few years back) and the deal got blown up once they returned Stateside. could you imagine?

  32. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    Manny, that was his nickname in Norway! I can’t take credit for it! Lord of the Rink as well!

  33. Awesome my prediction is null and void already, Elias (and Tallinder) out according to Tom Gulitti

  34. Hey torts, you pig-headed (but otherwise good) coach:

    Play Avery against the Devils. Rangers better team with him and the Debbies hate him and let him throw them off their game. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Which, when you think about it, is a really gross saying.

  35. Call him Hans Gruber, the villain from Die Hard.

    Actually I’m looking at IMDB and the big blonde nearly indestructible terrorist that almost shoots Bruce Willis at the end until the cop dude from Urkel’s show shoots him, his character’s name was Karl.

  36. I never understood, “you better wipe that carcillo-eating grin off your face.”

    I’m quite certain if you are eating carcillo, you won’t be grinning.

  37. cant wait till you check IPs Carp, who are all these people? Question/suggestion. Maybe when we have these kind of giveaways we should have a separate post only for predictions as our gibberish seems to kind of get lost in the middle here. And that would give you less posts to sort through later on. Anywho, my prediction:

    Rangers 5 Devils 2 GWG: Richards Ranger Shots: 34 Devils Shots: 28

  38. Anyone remember the “film name” of one of the nihlists from The Big Lebowski?

    Here’s a hint, it’s in the opening credits of the tape that Julianne Moore shows The Dude to prove that Bunny Lebowski participates in some, shall we say, extracurricular activities?

  39. CT – now you’re speaking my language. His name is Uli – the guy in the pool. His screen name is Karl Haglin. Brilliant!

  40. Lev- gibberish *NEVER* gets lost on RR….

    Last night’s was a classic thread thread on what @NOT@ to do.

  41. Reading through last night it’s nice to see ORR once again taking on the “voice of reason.”


    *ORR!!* -What Is It Good For?!?!- *The Voice of Reason* December 20th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    You see, when we talk aboot girls, everybody is happy, and nobody fights. Even the RR girls are happy!

    Too much hockey talk here! I’m against it!

  42. Manny guessed it already CCCP. And I wanted the screen name of the character not the movie.

    But you can have my respect and admiration for an undetermined amount of time for your extra credit answer.

  43. “I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this BLEEPING strumpet, this BLEEPING [easy woman]…..”

    “Walter – there’s no connection to Vietnam.”

    “Well there is a literal connection.”

  44. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    Morning ILB and all!!

    First time reader, long time poster….

    Rangers 3 Devils 1 GWG Feds Shots Rangers 26 Devils 33

    here is some cheese bro…

    Glad you are feeling better girl

    I did not know the rangers were in the top ten in goals scored!!!

  45. “I double back and beat it out of him. The Uzi.”


    “You didn’t think I was rolling out of here naked! 15, TAKE THAT HILL!”

  46. There are a few tips they teach you in medical school:

    If you enter patient’s room and want to leave it in 2 min- the patient is suffering from depression.

    If you enter patient’s room and he/she looks like they want to die- the patient has a flu.

    I’ll add one more:

    If you spend two hours on the blog talking to the same person about the same useless topic, and you feel like strangling him at the end- you’re dealing with the troll. If you do not walk away soon, you’ll feel like you have a flu AND a depression.

  47. It’s so funny, ilb! It’s always a pattern that someone new comes here and starts arguing and then begins to criticize the blog and the people on it rather than just defend their opinion. People don’t seem to understand that we like to discuss and disagree. That is how we LEARN.

  48. I am a troll for the reason I want more forwards of the Callahan, Hagelin, Anisimov ilk than the Prust, Boyle, Rupp ilk. When you have 6 forwards that do not or have not produced scoring, that is problematic. Christensen, Boyle, Rupp, Prust, Dubinsky, Mitchell. Those are 6 of our regular 12 forwards, folks.

  49. Manny i do not criticize the blog or people on it. I share my opinions and receive ad hominem attacks.

  50. *Anastasia* December 20th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Rangers 2, Devils 1. GWG: Richards. Shots: Rangers 24, Devils 27


    Hi, Anastasia :)

  51. cant wait till EC and Kovalchuckles drop the gloves tonight. that’ll show the Avery lovers EC’s TRUE worth.

  52. Thank Lord many of you are not general managers. Rangers would be comprised of 12 Prusts and would never win a game. they would have character.

  53. I mean you’re not wrong that the Rangers haven’t gotten a lot of scoring outside their top 6, but that should be inclusive of just about everyone not named Gaborik, Richards, Callahan, Stepan and Anisimov.

  54. DNFTT!

    Avery isn’t part of the team? I agree theoretically, but to be annoying he _certainly_ is part of the cap hit!

  55. He’s played more games than Hagelin and Mitchell.

    And since his recall from HFD, he’s played in more games than Christensen in the same amount of time. (15 vs 11).

  56. ilb, i got my flu shot 2 months ago and now I have a painful chest cold or something. Is it supposed to be a bad flu season?

  57. Blueshirt ok. Avery also. Avery is one of seven unproductive forwards, out of thirteen, and only twelve dress

  58. There are very few cases reported this season so far, BANJ. Nobody can predict yet. They do not anticipate the change in flu strains, but it’s too early.

  59. I was wondering the other day of how many of the people that think Avery isn’t getting a fair shake because of Torts also wanted Drury shoved out the door as soon as possible?

    The two stories are somewhat similar.

    Both enjoyed good support from the fans early in their Rangers career (or in Avery’s case his 1st tour with them) and both saw their productivity decline as well as their ice time/role on the team rapidly diminish. Believe me, I was not a huge fan of Drury, but lots of people here and the Rangers fanbase in general agreed with Torts’ decision to lessen Drury’s role on the team when it become obvious he couldn’t hack it like he used to. And this for a guy that is nearly universally liked amongst his NHL peers and had a substantially better track record throughout his career. And people grew tired of hearing about his mythical clutch abilities or the intangibles he brought to the team.

    So again, I wonder what the overlap between the supporters of both players is like.

  60. catch, like I said, I agree that the bottom 6 production has been poor so far. It’s just that if people (not you in particular) are going to harp on the lack of production of that segment of the team it should apply to everyone that plays those roles.

  61. people must be feigning surprise at this point when it’s announced Avery’s been scratched

    nobody really expects him to crack this lineup again while John Tortorella still has a job, right

  62. Rhode Island Ranger on

    How much will the Ruppster and the Pruster have to fight tonight? Will Torts start their line? Not worried about Prust, but Rupp got tossed by Raffles as soon as he threw a big hit in Phoenix the other night.

  63. Blueshirt ok. That is all I said yesterday. Our Rangers can have all the character, but if the scoring does not improve, then team is in trouble. also with defense corps going down one by one.

  64. CT:

    It’s worth noting that (this season) Avery has outperformed all of the players who Tortorella has moved ahead of him on the depth chart. I also happen to think Avery is a better player than all of those people as well as several of the supposed top forwards on this team but I realize most here are too far up Tortorella’s can to admit that.

  65. RIR:

    Thank you for being the first person I’ve seen mention Rupp getting tossed like a rag doll by Raffi Torres. It’s just great that the guy excels in so many other facets like skating and scoring so that you don’t notice he’s a 6’5″ player with hardly any physical presence.

  66. Lloyd – Really? I’ll just assume that you don’t actually think Avery is better than Gaborik or Richards. But Avery is better than Callahan? Anisimov? Stepan? Feds? Even Dubinsky (considering his horrid year so far)? These would be the Rangers “top” players. Avery is nowhere near as good as them, let alone better. I have no problem with Avery and actually think he should be in tonight – and always over EC – but saying “Avery is a better player than all of those people as well as several of the supposed top forwards on this team” is just stupid!

  67. Outperformed Lloyd? Why do you say that? Because you only count goals not assists? By that measure alone he’s outperformed Lundqvist and Biron too.

    Or maybe a lot of us are more on the side of many of the coaches and GMs in the league that have been given a chance 4 times (twice on waivers before AHL demotions and twice on re-entry waivers) to pick him up for nothing but a cap hit and no one except the Rangers decided to take him. Even if Torts can’t stand the guy, he’s been the only coach to let Avery see the ice in an NHL uniform the last 2+ years.

  68. I’d take Avery over Fedotenko in a heartbeat. Given equal playing time, I think Avery’s capable of being every bit the player Dubinsky is. Boyle is another supposed top guy and I think he’s a complete stiff.

    but it’ll never happen since the coach hates his guts and would rather have Brandon Prust out there to run time off the clock.

  69. I agree Avery should be playing but to say he is better then several of the supposed top forwards on this team is a joke.

  70. CT:

    You’re being disingenuous if you think Avery’s been given a fair shake by Tortorella. And tell me how much offensive impact Brandon Prust, Erik Christensen, Brian Boyle, Ruslan Fedotenko, John Mitchell and Mike Rupp have had.

    Don’t use the “he had his shot” argument when the coached was obviously doing everything possible to phase him out and then used some nonsensical excuse about his play having “leveled off” to justify it.

  71. Lloyd, except for the fact that Avery is 6 years older and has only 1 season where he’s put up 40 points while getting top 9 ice time, whereas Dubinsky has never had a season where he put up less than 40 points. Yeah, Avery can be the same player.

  72. Dublowsky is so overrated and always has been. Rupp is horrid.(PP time? Really?) and Avery should be playing.

  73. Rhode Island Ranger on

    I’m concerned that if the Ruppster has to drop the gloves a few times, it could reduce his (and the team’s) PP performance.

    Perhaps just his presence, though, will scare the Devils into docility.

  74. Llyod, he averaged plenty of minutes during the first season when Torts took over midway through the year and certainly 3rd line minutes in their first full season together. His production declined last year and he got his minutes cut accordingly. So this is the only season where he’s been consistently given table scraps for minutes.

    And I’m pretty sure that nearly every coach that has coached in the NHL has tendencies to use guys they prefer/trust over the preferences of the fans.

    You act like this is the first time ever that a coach has diminished the role of a fan favorite. That is not exclusive to Torts.

  75. CTB:

    So by extension you believe that Brandon Dubinsky’s playing time should be cut considerably, right?

  76. Per Gross: Mike Rupp did not participate in the morning skate but is fine for the game tonight.

    Phew, we dodged a bullet there.

  77. Also, if you’re honest, Avery and Dubinsky’s career stats are fairly comparable, and even more so when you consider that one guy is the golden boy of the franchise and the other is supposedly “just a 4th liner.”

  78. *CARP*- I’d like to change my GWG player to Anisimov. (just found out he’s over the flu)

    So now it’s:
    Rangers 4 Devils 2… GWG:Anisimov…Shots: Rangers 24 Devils 39

  79. Didn’t Torres jump Rupp, which is why he was given a double minor for roughing?

    Rupp and Prust don’t have to fight unless the Devs give them a reason to fight. Janssen and Boulton are not going to get a ton of minutes. I know the Devils fans must be irate, and we’ll probably hear a few “We Want Janssen/Boulton” chants, but I wouldn’t worry too much aboot them.

  80. End of Period 1 Rangers=2 Devils=1

    End of Period 2 Rangers=3 Devils=2

    End of Period 3 Rangers=3 Devils=3

    Game ends in a 5 round Shootout Devils win it on Clarkson’s shootout goal.

    Final Score Rangers=3 Devils=4.

    Fighting Majors: Period 1 Boulton vs Rupp (ends in a draw) Janssen vs Prust (Janssen wins)

    Keep the tickets, Ill take the cash instead. No checks please!

  81. at 1 goal on the year dubi is a much better playe rthen avery and anyone who thinks differently cannot be debated because they are delusionsal.. to say avery may deserve to be in the lineup over EC(for sure) prust(maybe), boyle(maybe)Mitchell(maybe) feds(on occasion) is not delusional..

    saying give Mitchell a day in the press box and get avery and his energy into the lineup is not a crazy thought………

  82. YAWN!!! Again, we are focusing on the the 4th line. YAWN!! Who will ever play those play 6-9 minutes will really determine the outcome of the game? YAWN!!!

    Like I’ve said for two days, you so-called long time Rangers fans can focus on one player being bigger than the team and I’ll focus on the one real concern tonight. How will this team fare as we hit one of the harder parts of our schedule with 1 full time NHL D in Girardi. A 2nd year growing stud in MCD. A player on a big time bounce back in MDZ and 3 guys that weren’t even on the radar to be a Ranger this year in Strahlman, Woywitka and Bickel.

    But of course, if we lose it will have something to do with the 6 mins the 4th liner would have played. YAWN!

  83. CARP – LOL. Let’s try and test that. The Rangers should waive both guys and see which one gets claimed first! LOL!

  84. Rhode Island Ranger on

    I think Rupp was busy getting his stitches tightened up before his coming out party tonight.

    De Boer will decide the physical tenor of tonight’s game. Wonder if he targets Cally for extra rough stuff the way Doan and the Coyotes did. The Captain seems more effective when he’s able to run around initiating the physical play rather than looking over his shoulder.

    A question raised by many in the preseason that may be answered over this string of divisional games is whether the Rangers’ top two lines can be intimidated or neutralized by heavy hitting and personal attention. Best to know before playoff time.

  85. Rangers 3 Devils 1, GWG Christensen, Shots Rangers 25 Devils 33

    A guy on our team scored Sunday for the first time in over 3 years. And, it was a game winner! So, it must have been an omen for me to pick Christensen to score the game winner tonight.

  86. I agree that Fedotenko is better than Avery, but seeing which player gets claimed is an indication of who is better, really? Girardi was undrafted.

  87. Carp:

    Ruslan Fedotenko, taken independently of his “cup winning goal” a la Mike Rupp, just ain’t that impressive. As much as you’d like to believe anyone who’s earned the “trust” of John Tortorella is an elite player, the numbers suggest otherwise.

    He’s a nice little 25 point player. Let’s leave it at that.

  88. I don’t think people actually watch or read anything about hockey here other than there own musings. The Devils intimidating? I guess you haven’t watched any HNL on Saturday night as Ken Danyeko (I know he played the game and won – so he has no credibility to folks here) has been on them all year that they are too soft in the defensive zone. Who exactly will intimidate them? Matt Taromina? Larsson? Volchenkov? Please!

  89. HW, they’re only on waivers for, what, 48 hours. How many hours would have to go by before Avery was claimed? Infinity?

  90. Considering Dubinsky lost his job playing in the top 6, his role got diminished. Prust was demoted to the 4th line as well. And he hasn’t been nearly as unproductive as you deem him to be since you tend to ignore assists when you talk about his production.

  91. Well, Carp, I was going to mention the same troll again under different names thingy, but I just realized it’s good for traffic…Got to be somewhat useful, eh….

  92. hockey night live is the logic choice when you want to learn about hockey. who knows more about the game than billy jaffe?

  93. Lloyd – Love your insulting lack of facts. A nice 25 point player?

    Umm… Last season was the 1st time he was under 30! Your pressure number 16 can only say that he did 3 times. Guess every coach he ever played for hated him too!

  94. Lloyd – Yes Lloyd because guys that have played the game and get paid to talk about it know less than you! Sorry buddy, but I’ll listen to the professionals first. I actually have respect for them and the game unlike your precious number 16.

  95. Perhaps you don’t recall but this coach hated Ruslan Fedotenko and that happened after he’d won them a stanley cup with his Mike Rupp-brand cup clinching goal.

  96. He didn’t say Jaffe, he said Daneyko, who is every bit the dyed in the wool Devils homer that Chico is and Daneyko was criticising them.

  97. HWirth:

    So, do you just hit the mute button when Ron Dugay sings his praises or do you assume he’s talking about a different Sean Avery

  98. LMAO, Gross’ Twitter

    “Funny scene in Rangers’ room. There was no locker stall available for Tim Erixon, who just was given a chair by the door for him and gear”.

  99. Hated him so much that he invited him to last year’s camp and then was ok with giving him a deal? Hated him so much he brought him back for this year?

  100. This Carp character cannot be the person that runs this website.. All the players drafted in the same NHL draft that Girardi went undrafted must be better than Girardi. /Carp logic fail

    Does anybody have a contact e-mail address for the person that runs this website?

  101. As for the knock on Billy Jaffe. If you actually knew anything about the sport, no one sees more hockey in a week than him. He’s covering a different game or working for NHL network at least 6 days a week which means he’s talking to more people actually involved in the sport than maybe anyone in the NHL. So far this year, he’s worked for MSG, NESN, NHL Network, Sportsnet , now CBC HNIC radio, Dallas Stars. Clearly, no one actually in the NHL thinks he knows anything about the sport.

  102. The guys from the Pens TV broadcast are actually worse. Even at his worst Chico just tries to gloss over any mistake from the Devils. The Pens guys completely insult the other teams players while singing the praises of Crosby and co.

  103. Hey Catch – not only do you not know what you are talking but you contradict yourself with each post. If the Rangers are not underdogs than how is Girardi not being drafted not being an underdog?

  104. Girardi being undrafted means the Rangers are underdogs? HWirth go find an insane asylum, you need one.

  105. Carp I know this wont be good for traffic but can you actually consider banning this troll. It’s getting nauseating reading the same stuff over and over.

  106. i think he is trying to compare the “if avery and feds were waived” who would get picked up first scenario to girardi being undrafted?

  107. Mike Lange isn’t doing Penguins games anymore, right? He was pretty brutal but that broadcasting team (for the two years I lived in central PA) was light years better than Emrick and Resch.

  108. Lev, I know. But I still get a kick out of this one:

    catch22 December 19th, 2011 at 11:03 am e

    Avery belongs on the ice in place of Rupp, Christensen, or Bogard.

  109. Carp – You’ve covered this team for almost 2 decades, wrote one of the definitive books on Mark Messier and the 94 Cup but clearly you are know nothing about the sport.

  110. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Rather than simply analyzing the Rangers’ very simple game plan to death, I find it fun to occasionally consider how other sides might prepare for the Rangers.

    A la Torts’ brilliant 24/7 admonition to stop pooping pants over little Kessel and hit him (if you can catch him), the Devils might be tempted to test the mettle of the Rangers’ top two or three lines tonight. With the exception of Dubi who has a better chance to score a knockout than a real goal, there isn’t much there to push back.

    Cally is game, but already spends too much time in the bin. And Boyle is a less than imposing bodyguard for his two little friends.

    Likewise, why wouldn’t “smash and antagonize Girardi” be at the top of the Devils’ whiteboard (apart from all the big words)?

    We should start to get a sense tonight of whether the Rangers are tough enough for primetime. Should be fun.

  111. No, Lange I think got moved to radio. Their duo is Steigerwald (sp?) and Bob Errey. Steiger’s brother got into some hot water earlier in the month when he basically laid out a thinly veiled accusation of Ovechkin taken PEDs with absolutely no tangible evidence, just circumstantially connecting a few dots.

  112. 1940! yes, if Fedotenko being claimed off waivers while Avery does not get claimed means Fedotenko is better, then Girardi going undrafted means every player drafted in that NHL draft must be better than Girardi. /Carp logic fail

  113. Kinda surprised they forced Lange out – that guy was more popular with fans than most of the roster.

    I’ve heard some of Errey’s comments here and there and the guy just seems like a dummy. In Resch’s mind, I’m not sure the Devils have legitimately lost a game in 12 years.

  114. Covering a sport or being involved in a sport for x number of years or decades does not guarantee knowledge of said sport.

  115. Callahan has drawn (been the cause of an opposing team’s penalty) the most penalties on the team per 60 mins.

    His penalties drawn to penalties taken ratio is 2.1 to 1.5 per 60 mins this year.

  116. OK. I’m having too much fun here. Gotta go back to work.

    If you want him to go away, just ignore him.

    You know the old riddle:

    How do you keep a jackwagon in suspense?

  117. but you are using different criteria. comparing how we view 2 guys who have had lengthy NHL careers to how we view a guy who never had a minute of ice time in the NHL is a little silly

  118. Carp, in a slight defense of catch, I think he explained himself on the Bogard-Boyle typo yesterday.

  119. If you really want to know what happened in Pittsburgh. Lange has been on Radio since the lockout after switching with Steigerwald who went on TV. Then this summer, Steigerwald had his job threatened by Root Sports in Pitt because they felt he wasn’t enough of a homer and used the excuse he wasn’t prepared enough for the games.

  120. I definitely agree about Chico Lloyd. Nothing that goes against the Devils is ever their fault and everything that they do right is because they’re the bestest team to ever play. But the Pens guys (I know LW thinks the world of them) are blatant homers and go to great lengths to denigrate the other team.

  121. Boyle does so much for the Rangers. His scoring and passing help the Rangers win. :/

    Boyle = penalty killer = dime-a-dozen

  122. Whatever, I guess the Networks and other GMs are lining up at the doors for your great hockey knowledge.

  123. Rhode Island Ranger on


    I haven’t looked at the stats, but my impression from the other night is that Doan’s very physical play against Cally was not an accident. If he is truly the heart and soul of this team as most of us think, then it seems inevitable that more teams (especially division rivals) will attempt to keep him on the back foot or in the box. We shall see.

    Given the depleted D corp, isn’t this a likely approach that teams will take with Girardi? Ancient hockey strategy.

  124. Braun because your dime-a-dozen is explanatory. Boyle is dime-a-dozen. Anyone that thinks otherwise is delusional

  125. NYR_FAN "Delusional MZA lover" on

    I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.

  126. Maude Lebowski: What do you do for recreation?

    The Dude: Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback.

    (i get those too lol)

  127. Brandt: You never went to college
    Dude: Oh, no I did, but I spent most of my time occupying various administration buildings… smoking a lot of thai stick… breaking into the ROTC… and bowling. To tell you the truth Brandt, I don’t remember most of it.

  128. and I’m still waiting for that list of several hundred dime-a-dozen players third-line players better than Boyle and Prust.

  129. Lev, banning him wouldn’t do much, he’ll be back under different name/IP address. In fact, he is here under a few different names as we “speak”. I think it’s fun though, as long as you don’t take it seriously….

    Catch, I have the email of person in charge of RR. Let me know if you still want it.

  130. I think Igor Larionov and Pavel Datsyuk were 3rd and 4th line players on the 2002 Red Wings.

  131. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    MY God, I cannot conceive of a more invalid comparison, that of Sean Avery with Dreary, save for an inverse example of spirit and courage. The last full year Dreary played here, and I kept the stats, and I am not bluffing that – I kept stats on all Ranger players, including hits and blocked shots and Dreary was the biggest baby/ default little girl, on paper I had ever seen in a Rangers uniform, discounted for his playing time. He stopped scoring and playmaking and he dodged being in the vicinity of the puck like it was a live hand grenade. And this was our captain!

    Look, Dreary conned the Rangers brass out of the paychecks they gave him, especially toward the end of his time here. And when he knew it was over he did not make the class/ team-first gesture of offering to relinguish his captaincy, to obviously Callahan, on his way out the door.

    I am on record as really liking and appreciating what Sean Avery has contributed in his limited- role playing time here, but Sean is not nearly my all-time favorite Ranger player, although he is top-10 with me in that regard. Conversely, I can honestly say I detest (“hate” is too strong a word) Dreary with a negative passion I have never felt for any other Ranger player who has donned the uniform, in my considerable time following and supporting this team.

    It is the most crassly insulting dialogue imaginable, to try to link these two players as having something in common. One was a grinder and a gamer, the other had his day, primarily in Buffalo, as a scorer and bona-fide all-around player, but he came here and in effect stole the club’s money, giving as little as he could, in return.

    The other, much maligned, gave his entire heart and soul for our cause, yet continues to be profaned by the coach and ripped by other Ranger fans, which is their privilege to do so, but damn, give me a man who puts in an honest day’s work and steps up and shoulders responsibility that others don’t have the guts to assume, over a colorless, rote, shirker who was never here in New York, except physically and for the financial windfall.

    And even with the ongoing distracting Avery issue and the awful number of severe injuries, this team has found its identity with the right captain, and a young nucleus which is overcoming the odds against them due to its coming together in spirit, a dimension that was absent from this team until the candy-ass imposter finally got kicked out of Dodge.

  132. One took a large contract that anybody in the league wouldn’t have taken him if they were offered it. And it’s not like he held out and negotiated it, the Rangers snatched him up the first day of free agency.

    The other went for the largest contract that an idiot neophyte GM would offer him…in Dallas.

  133. ilb I already sent email. Thank you. Carp I like Callahan, Hagelin, Gaborik, Richards, Fedotenko, Lundqvist, Biron, Girardi, Del Zotto, Sauer, Staal, Prust, Eminger, Dubinsky.

  134. Walter Sobchak: That’s not her toe, Dude.

    The Dude: Then whose toe is it, Walter?

    Walter Sobchak: How the puck should I know?

  135. catch22 –
    “I agree that Fedotenko is better than Avery,_ but seeing which player gets claimed is an indication of who is better, really? Girardi was undrafted._”

    Think about that and see if you can figure it out.

  136. The one who “gave his entire heart and soul for our cause”, when he signed $16M contract with Dallas had to mention publicly that he “left to play for a better team”…Just couldn’t resist I suppose. I don’t recall Richards saying similar thing when he signed his $60M contract…

  137. I have thought about it. To make a judgment on the abilities of a player based on whether NHL teams claim or sign or draft a player is nonsensical.

  138. There’s obviously something wrong with him. He’s taken off his shoes and one of his socks and… actually, I think he’s crying.

    Strange day out here at Windswept Fields.

  139. Drafting is one thing, considering the follies of the Rangers early round draft picks we’ve suffered in the past. But yes, I’d agree that the entire league missed the boat so to speak on Girardi, then again they did basically the same thing Lundqvist given his draft position as well as Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

    Waiver claims involving established NHL players, especially when it comes to two players of nearly equal cap hit and remaining contract length is somewhat more indicative. Even if clearing waivers/re-entry waivers once doesn’t necessarily reflect value, but passing through both sets of a waivers a combined 4 times with only one team making a claim does show that most teams don’t think very highly of that player.

  140. ilb:

    I guess you forgot when Sather made comments about easily replaceable Avery was when Avery’s agent didn’t want to accept the deal Sather offered.

  141. But isn’t any NHL player considered to have been from a missed boat if he wasn’t drafted in the first round?

    Because that means every team passed on him at least once.

  142. *Carp* – that’s how I think of every job interview I go on where I don’t get the job. They missed the boat!

  143. “Steigerwald had his job threatened by Root Sports in Pitt because they felt he wasn’t enough of a homer…”

    Huh? My brain hurts. Surely that is physically, literally and metaphorically impossible?

    Boom Boom – an old topic and again don’t take this as me being a Drury fan in any sense, but the guy blocked shots. He was among the league leaders in that category for forwards pretty much every year since the lockout right up to the end.

  144. Just as I suspected. Using intangibles to rationalize a player’s inclusion in the team is perfectly acceptable, except when it’s not.

  145. CT – you need to look at intangibles. Look at how Fedotenko laces up his skates and cares for his two Dachsunds. That’s stuff you can’t teach.

  146. Rangers 3 Devils 2

    GWG – Feds

    Shots – Rangers 34 Devils 33

    LET’S GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  147. wow Avery’s going to be a healthy scratch and score the game winning goal

    I would think only a player as great as Mike “The Great” Rupp could pull off something like that.

  148. Rupp’s intangibles slowed down time to allow Richards shot to cross the line with time remaining in PhX.

  149. The only reason why teams other than the one Rupp is on win the Cup is because Rupp allows them to.

  150. CTB

    Dude is so big he bends time.

    Man, sometimes I lose sleep at night thinking about all the power play time Mike Rupp’s missed this season. Dude would easily have, what, 2 points this season?

  151. Rupp sees in binary code? A lot of 0’s and 1’s?

    Or are we talking about most of his season by season point totals?

  152. Seriously, can no one tell me why Time Warner in Southern California only shows MSG games in standard def? I thought that fight was over.

  153. Now I know who hasn’t been scoring like it’s not evident. After the last game I know who wasn’t winning faceoffs. Anything else not obvious I need to know. I do know this that I’m sick of people who get so bent out of shape when you don’t agree with them. Chill out none of you are general manager’s thankfully.

  154. I’m not a GM but I’d like to think it was my furious letter writing campaign that convinced Glenn Sather to sign Mike Rupp. One would assume that when you’re bombarded with mail that reads, “He’s like Jesus, only better,” even the most stubborn GM has to take notice.

  155. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    LW3H –

    Let’s come to an accord here – “the captain” stopped blocking shots, stopped racking up hits, and, of course, his scoring became virtually invisible. I won’t deny that he had two distinct careers here, but when he went into the tank, it was disgraceful. If he was truly below par physically he should have divulged that, but, prostitute and sham that he was, he did not.

    Look, the man had NO CHARACTER, and this was our captain! I stand on my statement, above.

    Enjoy your dinner and the game, everybody.

  156. in fact, screw it, just make Rupp the captain already. Callahan seems like a nice guy but we all know who the heart and soul of this team is.

  157. Ilb – Social Services has been disbanded. It’s now a watchdog organization run by David Klein and known as “Defending the Core.” You can report the abusive language directly to them.

  158. iWicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    You should have taken my suggestion yesterday and named this Avery report instead!!

    LGR and LGD

  159. Imagine if we could get Tortorella to slip in a “carcillo” or a “cooke” or especially a “byfuglien” during “24/7”?

  160. Boom Boom – I think you are way out of line questioning Drury’s character. I’ll leave it at that.

  161. I would just like to propose that the people who picked Dubinsky to score the game winning goal should get center ice seats in the 100s if they’re right and be banned from the forum if they’re wrong.

  162. Bwahahahaa. I like the Varsity Jacket look because I was born in 1981 and my brother was born 8.5 years earlier. He wore Varsity Jackets and a dangley earring and had a curly haircut that was cut to be pretty tall. So 80’s…Kind of like U2 on the cover of the Joshua Tree

  163. Hey Lloyd – I picked Dubisnky for two reasons. (1) I never, ever have any chance of winning this thing; and (2) I really want to believe in him so I force myself to believe in him by _always_ picking him.

  164. Personally, I think you’ve got a better chance of scoring the game winning goal tonight.

    And by the way, Mike Rupp should be the automatic choice.

  165. DuckBill PLA-t-pus on

    Hello Emannyuel. How are you? Friends visiting the duckbill from towns out from here. I still reading what you all right here everiesday.

  166. Rangers 2, Devils 1. GWG: Gaborik. Rangers shots: 25. Devils shots: 30.

    And one jumper at the final buzzer falling out of the press box– that little french canadien fanook sounding ex-goalie of an announcer who schwings at the very mention of Martin.

  167. I think Carp should rename the blog to the Fourth Line Blog. It’s amazing how much more time is spent whining and moaning about playing on the 4th line compared to youngsters that are becoming leaders of this franchise like a Derek Stepan. Pretty pathetic quite honestly.

  168. That’s the Winner HWirth. “The Fourth Line”

    It’s got a cool ring to it. “We are here, daily, grinding it out” <—Slogan

  169. Manny – Don’t worry tonight’s game will be decided by the 4th line and have nothing to do with top players like Gabby, BRich, Cally, Stepan etc. Or their young, inexperienced defense.

  170. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    Let me get this straight, now that you guys finally have Richards, is IGINLA you’re next target to whine and cry and plead about???? OY you make my head spin spin spin, like Torts’ Line Generator Wheel of Uncertainty?

  171. You go back in the Ranger report 3 plus years to when teams wanted Dublowski.,To see that I said back then to trade him. Now everyday that passes we’re gonna get less and less for him. He’s turning into another over hipped player that we hang on to to long and get crap for.
    Rangers 6- Devils 2- Shots on goal-Rangers 37 – Devils 28-GWG – Dubinski….
    He’s gotta score sometime……….

  172. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    Dubi has more that 2 hips? Maybe he can lend some to Sophia Petrillo DiPietro lol ;-)

  173. Oh and by the way Manny, don’t even dare think that maybe just maybe the elite goaltending we’ve gotten this year impacts the outcomes of the game like that 4th line.

  174. 2-1 Rangers
    GWG: Richards
    Shots: Rangers 23, Devils 28
    Super-duper tiebreaker: uh, man, that guy on our team plays with a lot of grit! Not like that guy on the other team, what a dirty player! Am I right?

  175. Oh lloyd like I care about your Avery love – Torts hate. One will have the Jack Adams Trophy and the other will be out of the NHL next year.

  176. It does? I didn’t even notice that we have a goalie. So many of these 4th line guys are falling on the ice to block shots…it’s like we don’t even NEED a goalie anymore. Let’s get 4 guys on the 4th line and just pull the goalie.

  177. Manny – The funniest part of this deal is that I used to think 16 was attention starved and I found out now his delusional man-crushers are more self-thinking above the team thinkers than even he is. Even 16 realizes he’s not as important to the team as his buddies Hank and Brich.

  178. Must be nice to think the Rangers have it all wrapped up with 52 to go. This your first season watching hockey?

  179. Torts rules. I don’t know if it’s the goatie, the tan or the hair/suit combo but that guy just exudes a winning attitude that I want to teach my kids! (I don’t have kids). Wait…maybe it’s his amazing coaching record and his ability to make this team succeed beyond it’s ability!

  180. I really hope the NHL doesn’t expand the ice size. That might really expose so many 4th line “grinders” as nothing more!

  181. So predictable…. When the team wins tonight it’s in spite of the coach and who is not playing on the 4the line…. When they lose it will be because of the coach and 1 guy who would not have played more than 7-10 minutes. It’ll have nothing to do with the actual defense, key players, opponent, scoring… Just whether or not one guy played and his relationship with the coach.

    Just what every other fan of the 29 teams thinks about their team. And here I thought as an Original 6 team we’d have intelligent fans. Well then again, they are 16 fans not Rangers fans. I guess when he’s out of the League probably before this season ends, will they root for another team or just find a different guy to love and make some phony hatred about the coach up.

  182. yes because if there is one thing that John Tortorella has taught us, it’s that you really only need two lines to win it all by December 20.

  183. Is Our Dear Leader, Our Ever-Victorious, Iron-Willed Commander, Our Beloved and Respected General, Symbol of the Satherland’s Unification, The Great Sun of Life, Our Unique and Brilliant Leader
    playing tonight?

  184. Ya know, HWirth I was wondering if the Rangers could have a bandwagon. *Not accusing ANYONE on here of being a bandwagon fan.* Just wondering if it’s possible for a team, that so rarely achieves or has the thought that they will win a cup going into the season, to develop a bandwagon following.

    I just don’t get the Avery love. Why it doesn’t die out. It’s so weird. Basically, he’s better than Christensen 80% of the time. Other than that….huh? I don’t get it! Carp told us that there was an “incident” that put Avery in the doghouse yet again. From my perspective as a fan it even seems like he is disconnected from his teammates.

  185. If you know so much about the League name his replacement that is available and how he’d be a better coach. Easy to want the guy fired, not as easy to pick a replacement that could do better. You want Jack Martin? He’s got what? No Stanley Cup rings as a Coach? I know i know, Paul Maurice is available! Wait! We should have gotten both Dean Lombardi and Sutter from LA. They always had clutch winning teams in SJ that followed through on their promise? Oh wait! No they didn’t.

  186. Avery is better than Christensen 100% of the time … he’s better than Christensen on a broken leg.

  187. We could hire Jacques Martin. That would really endear the Rangers to the hearts of the French speaking New Yorkers.

  188. No way, Pimpage. I type 100% and then I rescinded it and remembered that ridiculous shot Christensen made from essentially behind the net in the playoffs last year. Also, Avery probably sucks at Raffle Contests and Christensen was historically good at them.

  189. This Avery is one the most unreal things I’ve seen being involved or following sports. I can’t even compare him to Tebow because Tebow is the QB (one of the most important positions in the sport) and does effect the outcome of the game.

    I’ve never seen a bit player get more credit or blame for win/losses and more attention for doing very little in any sport. Dennis Rodman got loads of attention but he was a Hall of Fame player so I can’t even say him.

    Sean Avery is the Anna Kournikova of hockey. (There’s an inside joke there that I won’t share here)

  190. Yup!

    Avery is like….um…..Blaming the Yankees losing the 2004 ALCS on Miguel Cairo. It’s like pinning all your hopes for the Giants on the foot of Lawrence Tynes.

  191. HWirth- I would just drop this BC. No matter what you say, or what argument you present, you will not change their mind. They just love playing mental games with us, that’s all. Half of the stuff they say, they do not even believe in themselves. Or at least one hopes they don’t.

  192. maybe the reason you don’t understand the Avery fan support is because your line of reasoning doesn’t seem to extend beyond, “Tortorella good. Make team win.”

  193. You don’t want him fired because you enjoy coming on here and bashing him daily! I get it. You need 16 here so you can man-crush and Torts here so you can bash him regularly. And plus without the two, there goes your unproven conspiracy theory.

  194. What? That doesn’t even make sense. I think most people here have said that Avery and Torts are separate people and we all treat them differently. Since we aren’t in the locker room we are not on a side. We just watch from the outside. If Avery makes the team better, than great. If he doesn’t, bye bye.

  195. ILB – But it’s so much fun to watch them contradict themselves within at least 3 posts. It takes about 3 posts to get them to counter act something they’ve already said. It’s fun! Then they make personal attacks and tell us they are lifelong fans yet bash half the team. I get a kick out of it.

  196. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    Carp, maybe you should declare Christmas Eve and Christmas Day “AVERY FREE DAYS” on the blog.

  197. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Instead of complaining (incessantly) about what other Ranger fans care about, how about leading by example and generating topics that no one can resist? You know, kinda like the PR biz.

    Just a thought.

  198. Unfortunately, that’s inaccurate. The few so-called Ranger fans here who are most vocal about their dislike for Sean Avery are the ones claiming the guy is being treated fairly by the coach and acting like he played terribly in the 50 seconds Tortorella had him on the ice. These people are bigger fans of John Tortorella than they are of the Rangers because they are convinced, in December, that the Rangers are going to win the Stanley Cup. I’ve been a Rangers fan for longer than the last two months, so I’m not as easily persuaded.

  199. The Potvin chant has been around over 30 years.

    All I’m saying is the Avery discussion may last long after we all are gone.

  200. RIR – I have already.

    HWirth December 20th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
    YAWN!!! Again, we are focusing on the the 4th line. YAWN!! Who will ever play those play 6-9 minutes will really determine the outcome of the game? YAWN!!!

    Like I’ve said for two days, you so-called long time Rangers fans can focus on one player being bigger than the team and I’ll focus on the one real concern tonight. How will this team fare as we hit one of the harder parts of our schedule with 1 full time NHL D in Girardi. A 2nd year growing stud in MCD. A player on a big time bounce back in MDZ and 3 guys that weren’t even on the radar to be a Ranger this year in Strahlman, Woywitka and Bickel.

    But of course, if we lose it will have something to do with the 6 mins the 4th liner would have played. YAWN!

  201. Line – I am pretty sure this blog will be Avery free soon. Mostly because the team will be Avery Free.

  202. Who the heck said we are winning a cup? I think most people are STUNNED at how well this team is playing and most of us are waiting for the wins/losses to start evening out. (Nothing to do with ridiculous advanced stats)

  203. BANJ. I think just the opposite. That it will die down rather quickly when he is Reddened for the second and final time. Of course, there will be the knee-jerk “we want Avery” chanting and discourse every time the Rangers fall behind. But I think as a topic of who’s better than whom, it will die out.

    Miami, very bush league prediction.

    PS, has anybody actually taken the obvious choice: GWG: Rupp?

  204. the idiots who are throwing around “Jack Adams” in December aren’t saying that because they think this team is an 8-seed.

  205. Carp – If you want I can post about how I don’t hate the shootout any less than the idea of ties. Then we argue over what’s least evil – ties or the skills competition.

  206. Another day of bogus tireless arguments about the back end of the roster, I see.

    Hate to even bring this up but I think the correct move was letting Avery play tonight. His history with most of the current Devils roster isn’t very significant but he’s usually at his best in these games and when he’s around Brodeur’s net we’re at an advantage. If not for the simple reason that Marty hates him and even if that causes him to change his game .001% it usually pays dividends for us.

  207. Carp – Doubt you saw NHL on the Fly Last night but I think it was Craig Button (don’t remember who told the story now) but they talked abt. how Barry Trotz didn’t like the shootout coming out of the lockout so he would turn his back to the ice and look at the fans during it and when they started to win a few he’s superstitious now and never watches the shootout. But Trotz did say watching the fans, he understands they like it and therefore he’s ok with it for now.

  208. iWicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    Correct me again with all of this scoring problem stuff, aren’t we in the top ten in the NHL?

  209. I agree, and said so, James … if you’re even going to have Avery in your organization, then he should be playing these next four games. Otherwise just tell him to go home and collect his money.

  210. HageLinCalPruStepanlahan on

    i agree! I said earlier this morning that Aves should be in these divisional games. JudasPeeWeeFredo does NOTHING to inspire any confidence. Avery usually plays a pretty hard game against our rivals.

  211. Make this guy an All-Star already.

    drosennhl Dan Rosen
    Girardi could do it. I spoke to him this a.m. for a story we’ll run later this week. He wants more ice time. He’s averaging 27:35 per game.

  212. iWicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    LGR=let’s go rangers

    LGD=let’s go dvr….I’m working per the norm!

  213. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    You are right, Carp, except they won’t send Aves home to collect his money because they prefer to torment him and keep him around wearing a dunce cap in the corner. Has there ever been more shabby treatment directed at a professional athlete who just wants to play and contribute and earn his salary, and lead by example when the going gets rough, including taking on bigger men, one on one, to spark the team? I am hard pressed to think of a comparable situation in professional sports I have ever witnessed.

    Sometimes players display a crap attitude, let it impact their play, and earn their way into the dog house – that is a different matter. This is just plain mental cruelty. If Avery were a minority player some – you know which organization – attorney would be lining him up for a “discrimination” law suit, right now. And rightly so.

    I feel badly for Aves. I think he deserves better treatment in life, same as any other human being who is being publicly humiliated. Shame is, I like Torts, too, on balance, as a coach, but the over-bearing side of his personality really stinks. This is not about winning hockey games, this is about hurting the club, overall, as a sacrifice to this coach’es false pride, ego-maniacal imbalance, and personal vendetta.

    I don’t like personal grudges being put ahead of team-first considerations, starting with E.C. being put back in the lineup after clearly showing his time here should have been ended. Why do we have to suffer a damn women’s soap opera connected with our hockey team? It has divided us, here at the site, and surely is distracting and dividing the team off the ice. It is ridiculous that the middle-aged man guiding this club on the ice and in the locker room can’t take 10 minutes to just plain GROW UP!

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