Rangers at Coyotes tonight


Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

Saturday, Dec. 17, 8:00 p.m.
Jobing.com Arena – Phoenix, Arizona
Rangers: 17-8-4 (38 pts)
Coyotes: 16-12-3 (35 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Dec. 15

The Rangers will face-off against the Phoenix Coyotes at Jobing.com Arena (8:00 p.m.), in their third consecutive game against a Western Conference opponent. The Blueshirts currently rank second in the Atlantic Division standings, and fourth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 17-8-4 (38 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the St. Louis Blues, 4-1, on Thursday at Scottrade Center, and are now 14-5-2 in their last 21 games. The Coyotes enter the contest with a 16-12-3 (35 pts) record to rank ninth in the Western Conference, and have lost three of their last four games. Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the New Jersey Devils on Tuesday, Dec. 20, at Prudential Center (7:00 p.m.), to conclude a three-game road trip.
* TV: MSG Network

7:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Bill Pidto and Ron Duguay
8:00 p.m. – Rangers at Coyotes
Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
* Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio and newyorkrangers.com
7:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
8:00 p.m. – Rangers at Coyotes
Broadcasters: Joe Tolleson (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)

* All-Time: 36-24-6-0 overall (21-10-2-0 at home; 15-14-4-0 on the road)
* 2011-12: Tonight is the first of two meetings this season, and first and only on the road.
* Last Season: New York was 1-0-0 overall, having won their only meeting, 4-3, in a shootout on Dec. 16 at MSG. Dan Girardi led the Rangers with two points (one goal, one assist) in the contest. Derek Stepan and Brandon Prust also tallied a goal apiece, while Erik Christensen notched the game-deciding goal in the shootout. Martin Biron made 30 saves through regulation and overtime, and turned aside all three shots faced in the shootout.
* New York ranks seventh with a 9-5-2 (20 pts) record on the road; Phoenix ranks 23rd with a 7-6-2 (16 pts) mark at home
* The Rangers have posted a 2-1-2 record vs. Pacific Division opponents; the Coyotes are 1-2-0 vs. the Atlantic Division
* Henrik Lundqvist has posted a 3-0-0 record with a 2.00 GAA in three career regular season games vs. Phoenix; Martin Biron is 4-4-0-1 with a 2.43 GAA and one shutout in 10 career regular season games vs. the Coyotes
* Marian Gaborik leads the Rangers with 18 goals and 26 points in 27 career regular season games vs. Phoenix; Brad Richards has registered a team-high, 13 assists in 25 career regular season contests vs. the Coyotes
* New York lists three former Coyotes on their roster: Brandon Prust (2008-09); Mike Rupp (2003-04 – 2005-06); Wojtek Wolski (2009-10 – 2010-11)
* Phoenix lists four former Rangers on their roster: Lauri Korpikoski (2008-09); Jason LaBarbera (2000-01 – 2003-04); Derek Morris (2008-09); Michal Rozsival (2005-06 – 2010-11)

The Rangers are 10-41 (24.4%) with the man advantage in the last 11 games. The Blueshirts’ penalty kill has held their opponent scoreless in five straight games entering tonight’s contest (17-17, 100.0% over the span), while tallying three shorthanded goals during the stretch, and is 27-29 (93.1%) in the last 10 games. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 12-1-2 in games when tallying a power play goal, and are 12-3-2 when holding their opponent scoreless on the power play.
* Power Play: The Rangers were not awarded a power play on Thursday at St. Louis. The last time the Blueshirts did not have a power play opportunity was Apr. 9, 2011 vs. New Jersey (5-2 win). New York is tied for 16th overall (19-115, 16.5%) and ranks 28th on the road (6-55, 10.9%). The Rangers are 2-10 (7:37) in five-on-three situations (last – 12/05 vs. TOR), and 0-4 (3:46) when four-on-three (last – 11/3 vs. ANA). Shorthanded goals allowed (2): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore).
* Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Blues scoreless in one shorthanded situation (2:00) on Thursday at St. Louis. New York ranks fifth overall (94-108, 87.0%) and 14th on the road (54-64, 84.4%). The Rangers are 4-5 (2:35) in three-on-five situations (last – 12/8 vs. TBL), and 0-1 (1:17) when three-on-four (last – 10/7 at LAK). Shorthanded goals for (4): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan).
* Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Thursday at St. Louis. The Rangers are plus-three in 33 four-on-four situations (60:21), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (0).

The Blueshirts swept their weekend back-to-back set against Buffalo and Florida, out-scoring their opponents, 10-2, in the two games.  The Rangers are scheduled to play 14 back-to-back sets this season. New York has posted a record of 3-0-1 (1-0-0 at home, 2-0-1 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 3-0-1 (3-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 24-8-3 in the second game of back-to-back sets, with a 12-3-1 mark at MSG and 12-5-2 on the road over the span. Henrik Lundqvist has started on consecutive days 56 times in his career, posting a record of 35-14-7 with a 1.82 GAA, .935 Sv% and six shutouts in the second game. The Rangers’ next back-to-back set, their fifth of the season, is Dec. 22-23 against the NY Islanders and Philadelphia, with both games at MSG.


The Blueshirts rank third in the league in fewest goals against, allowing 62 goals through 29 games, and rank fourth with a 2.14 GAA. The Rangers have held their opponents to two or fewer goals in 18 of their 29 games this season. Henrik Lundqvist is 12-7-4 with a 2.07 GAA, .932 Sv% and two shutouts, while Martin Biron is 5-1-0 with a 1.79 GAA, .937 Sv% and one shutout. Lundqvist is tied for 11th in the NHL in wins, fifth in Sv%, sixth in shutouts and ranks seventh in GAA.

The Rangers rank fourth in the league with 778 hits, including 421 hits on the road to rank third in the NHL. Ryan Callahan ranks fourth in the NHL with 102 hits, while Dan Girardi is tied for eighth among league defensemen with 77 hits.

* The Rangers’ eight regulation losses are tied for second fewest in the NHL
* New York has registered a point in 16 of their last 21 games (14-5-2), and has out-scored their opponent, 68-47, during the stretch
* New York is 5-1-1 when leading after the first period and 11-0-2 when leading after the second
* The Blueshirts lead the league with an .818 win% when out-shooting their opponent (9-2-0)
* The Rangers are 7-0-0 all-time in games when Brandon Prust is assessed a fighting major in the opening two minutes
* The Blueshirts rank second in the NHL when scoring first, posting a 13-1-1 mark (.867 win%) in those contests, and their 13 wins rank fifth in the league
* New York notched two shorthanded goals in the second period on Dec. 10 at Buffalo, marking the first time the team tallied two shorthanded goals in the same period since Mar. 6, 1997 at Los Angeles (2nd Period, B. Berg at 6:09 and N. Sundstrom at 15:11). *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau
* Henrik Lundqvist has held opponents to two or fewer goals in 14 games this season, and is 10-4-1 with a 1.92 GAA, .935 Sv% and one shutout in his last 15 games
* Michael Del Zotto has tallied nine points (one goal, eight assists) in the last 10 games
* Ryan Callahan has tallied 11 points (four goals, seven assists) in the last 11 games
* Brad Richards has tallied 20 points (10 goals, 10 assists) in the last 21 games, with 12 points (five goals, seven assists) in the last 11
* Derek Stepan has tallied 19 points (seven goals, 12 assists) in the last 21 contests, with eight points (three goals, five assists) in the last eight
* Artem Anisimov has tallied seven points (four goals, three assists) in the last eight games
* Marian Gaborik has tallied 21 points (11 goals, 10 assists) in the last 22 games, with eight points (five goals, three assists) in the last nine
* Rangers’ prospects Christian Thomas (Canada), J.T. Miller (USA) and Peter Ceresnak (Slovakia) have been invited to participate in their respective National Junior Team’s selection camp for the 2012 IIHF World Junior Championship

* Marian Gaborik: 2 assists from 300th NHL career; 2 goals from 300th NHL career; 4 points from 600th NHL career
* Dan Girardi: 4 assists from 100th NHL career

* Marc Staal (concussion, IR on 10/5) – 29
* Mike Rupp (knee, 10/24) – 22
* Wojtek Wolski (groin, 11/3) – 18
* Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) – 5
Total Man-Games Lost: 83

* Dec. 14 – Recalled defenseman Tim Erixon from Connecticut (AHL)
* Dec. 16 – Assigned defenseman Tim Erixon to Connecticut (AHL)

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  1. Walking in the night time desert on a peyote trip. The local medicine man says goals will come after deep introspection.

  2. I have a friend living in Phoenix. Yesterday he went to ticketsnow.com to get 1 ticket to tonight’s game. He’s 7 rows from the ice. $58. Can you believe that?

  3. no worries guys, no worries !

    Right at the moment when the match started in St. Louis I got caught by a virus and computer exploded :)

    As I said I am not a big technical, I needed help to repair the computer but I only read the result out of St. Louis and it seems that I didnt have missed anything :)

  4. iWicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    Morning ILB and all!
    Wholly cheap tickets, I could afford to take the all the wicksters at those prices!!!

    I think pronger may indeed be done for good.

    Off to work, later aasens


  5. That’s because all the people in charge of the game are (well meaning but still clueless, and they’ve never played the game) NBA transplants with their eyes only on the bottom line.

    I’ll say again, we never had these concussion issues when players DIDN’T wear helmets.

    And the Winter Classic is the perfect time to waive the helmet rules and get back to old-time hockey.

  6. Right? You would think however that Canadian fans would understand the role of fighting…it is after all…”their game”. Its frustrating because while staged fights are completely lame, the “heat and emotion” of the game fights are terrific.
    I hate anything PC…this game is becoming PC…PC=downward spiral.

  7. Bettman is actually a highly intelligent guy, and if you listen to him you can tell he’s very enthusiastic about the game, and takes a lot of pride in it.

    Problem is, I’d bet anything he’s never played, certainly not at a high level.

    One of the real tricks, going back to the helmet-less days, was playing without getting yourself killed!

    It forced you to keep the sticks down & respect other players.

    That’s what they don’t get!

  8. It’s a disaster. Fighting results in ZERO injuries. Make the ice bigger: 200×94. Remove at least one Zebra from the ice. Next step: bring back legalized interference (minor stuff beneath the dots in your own end) and lastly, bring back the two-line pass rule.

    Stop removing fighting. Stop trying to make the sport popular in America. Move the Southern teams to Canada. Thunder Bay could use a team. Come on!

  9. We also tend to forget that the game was much slower in those days. I don’t know this for sure but I’d suspect that years ago players had other jobs in the off season…
    Players were average guys, not highly trained athletes who trained year round, and played competitive hockey all through their youth. Today’s players are so much bigger and faster.

  10. Rod – I agree that they should at least reconsider padding changes. I think wearing massive hard-plastic armor on your shoulders _might_ result in injuries to other players. It’s like SUV’s on the ice.

  11. I support a European sized rink without the Europansi-ism.
    the game would be faster, there would be more room to make the
    pretty plays we all love to see.
    but as usually it comes down to money…eff!!!!

  12. It always comes down to money. A bigger slab of ice would REALLY help the top players and skill players (most of whom are concussed currently) to show off. Then we can get rid of the ShootOut and stop raffling off points. Go to a three-point system (3 for Reg. Win, 2 for OT Win, 1 for OT loss or Tie)

  13. The White Plains Batman on

    How about a happy medium? You fight, you’re gone from the game. That way we’d still have fighting but it would reduce fights by enough to protect the players and any of the per-staged stuff wouldn’t happen anymore. I LOVE fighting as much as the next guy, but if it’s gotten to a a point where guys are so big and strong and going to destroy each others brains and cause dementia, CTE, Alzheimer’s symptoms, etc…..it needs to go.

    Also time people especially concussion victims start wearing better helmets like the Cascade M11.

  14. Manny, you’re 100% right. The stuff is unbelievable in terms of how much bulkier and harder it is, which is to say rock-solid.

    That’s a big part of it, as is the speed & head/chin hunting.

    And as much as I’d luv to see it, doing away with helmets might not be practical because you’ve now had 1-2 generations of players wear them their entire lives.

  15. Batman,

    That’s a pretty good solution. Finally read the Booegard piece last night, it’s just awful.
    (except for where the Wild call to say the’d drafted him & the woman answering says he already had a team, his minor league one. She didn’t beieve it. LOL)

    It’s the staged stuff that makes it seem worse than it is.

    It’s a passionate game and they’ll always be fights.

    In fact, I’m pretty sure they’re illegal now!

  16. If they can reduce the amount of padding a goalie can wear then they can certainly reduce the padding that these guys are wearing on their arms and shoulders. Bodies were designed by nature for collisions between two soft tissued beings. So when a rock hard piece of plastic with a sharp edge whos only function is to protect the soft fleshy part of the body it’s covering collides with another persons head the result is disasterous.

    Also, this Harrison hit on Colt McCoy is insane. It took over 2 weeks to suspend him for ONE game for a completely illegal hit that resulted in a serious concussion. Can the NHL get a little credit for at least handing out reasonable suspensions and acting quickly? The NFL is a joke!

  17. Real_ESPNLeBrun Pierre LeBrun
    Merry Christmas, Jacques Martin. You’re fired.

    FriedgeHNIC Elliotte Friedman
    Canadiens announce Larry Carriere (who is assistant GM) moves onto bench beside interim head coach Cunneyworth. What a gong show of a season

    Now that is one dysfunctional organization right now. But, of course I’ll await the daily whining and complaining about the team with 3rd best GAA in the NHL. 3rd best goal differential in the East (5th overall). 4 points up on a playoff spot with loads of games in hand. Etc.

  18. Dead right again Manny.

    Surprising, aren’t you an Avery-ite? ;)

    Kidding, but I think we’re about to get an announcement sometime today,
    so I might as well kick off the fun!

  19. Is this a record for most coaches fired before the half? It’s insane! Another Christmas destroyed. Boxing day in Canada, destroyed.

    Also – not a fan of visors being mandatory, Rod. I think they have the potential to do more harm than good. I might be wrong, but until you can promise me that a visor won’t crack and tear my face open I don’t want one.

  20. Thanks, Rod. I am not Anti Avery I am just Anti-Pro-Avery I guess. I personally like Sean and find him hilarious. Everything he does, I think is literally hilarious. Loved the sloppy seconds comment. Loved his Brodeur antics. The guy is a gem. Just against the touting Avery as the hero thing. I do think he should get a look on the top line when the G-A-S line peters out.

  21. I didn’t say anything about visors.

    Worn them on/off, have mixed feelings on them myself.

    Now Girardi? He should Definitely wear one!

  22. The sloppy thing was way out of bounds.

    His antics are a joke everyone – especially the zebras – see right through now.

    I have no problem with him getting a look on the top line,
    as long as it’s in Connecticut.

  23. Guys,
    Here’s the problem with banning fighting. There will be more dirty hits and injuries. When a dirty player knows nobody is gonna come kick his ass and make him pay, they will have free reign. It will be worth it and perhaps good strategy to run a goalie for an interference penalty, or take out a Star Player’s legs without worrying someone is coming after you. Fighting is needed to police these types of plays in my opinion

  24. Nobody argues that, Gerry. But the staged fighters having staged fights goes against every single argument about fighting’s purposes in the game.

    Do you think a Matt Cooke or Dan Carcillo (those pieces of cooke and carcillo) will ever have to fight a Boogaard type? Never. They skate away. Boogaard gets the penalty. Their team gets a PP. Boogaard gets a suspension if he simply beats them up.

    Having those big guys around does nothing to stop the cheap shots. They only fight each other.

    Rod, worst one I ever saw — again up close and personal; I almost puked — Gillies-Hospodar right in front of the press box.

  25. Carp, I have to agree with you on fighting. It just allows a player to hit another player with the hardest part of his body(fist) to the most vulnerable part(head). There are enough injuries due to over protective equipment, the speed of the game and players being much larger. Injuries due to fighting are totally unnecessary. Brandon Prust would be an even better player if he wasn’t hampered by injuries. Fighting to me has outlived it’s use. It’s how inferior teams level the playing surface. I love when the pure hockey skill wins a game.

  26. Gillies-Hospodar was obviously, God-awful.

    Have to say though, to me the premeditated Dave Brown-Sundstrom type attack has always been worse than any fight.

    And that’s what we’re seeing with these timed & targeted elbows, usually at high speeds.

    They’re devastating and impossible to defend against.

  27. Good morning, ‘heads!

    Staged fights should be eliminated, those are useless. But eliminating fighting per se wouldn’t significantly decrease head injuries. I’m still surprised there isn’t too many companies working on new helmets, lighter, less damaging pads etc….I believe the most important issue is players’ respect for each other. But that where the problem is. Mr. Battman would not admit it, but expanding the league allowed less talented players enter the NHL. For some of them, the only way to stay ( read: make money ) is to play dirty, agitating game. How do you deal with that? Do you think if the league had 26 teams Cookes and Carcillos would still play in NHL? Keep expanding mr. Battman…

  28. Once upon a time, intimidation was part of the game and effective. In those days, if you were challenged you fought. Today, the cheap shot artists decline or turtle. The fighter’s role is useless.

    Don’t get me wrong. I love the fights. Some of my favorite players were the tough guys. But if the goons only fight the goons and don’t or can’t do anything to deter the cheap shots or police the game, what’s the point?

    And when guys fight even though there is no animosity, nothing transpired in the game to trigger it, that gives the anti-fighting people all the ammunition they need to get rid of it.

    Though I still love it when two guys who can play, in the heat of the battle, fight.

  29. Rod, cut the guy a break. I disagree with his sloppy seconds comment, it’s degrading to women. But his antics on the ice are a joy. If treated fairly, his antics would be more successful. He waved the stick in front of Brody, then scored later in the same power play. If he had never worn a Rangers sweater, he’d be dealt with in a completely different manner by the NHL and the referees. It’s a shame for him that he’ll never truly understand why he has been blackballed… because there are plenty worse guys (detriments to the game) in hockey than him. He isnt out to hurt anyone physically or end people’s careers. He’s just a fun-loving guy with a passion for hockey, women, fashion, and Blogmama. Also, he may limited in talent/skill, but he isn’t among the dregs of hockey players. No offense to Boogey, because I think he was an awesome fun-loving, caring guy and didnt deserve his fate, but Boogey was among the dregs of hockey players.

    Now, Jarkko Ruutu is a detriment to the game. He intentionally tried to kill Jaromir Jagr at the Olympics many years ago. In the Olympics, athletes are supposed to exhibit sportsmanship, yet Ruutu chose to try and decapitate Jagr. There’s a guy who ought to be a joke.

  30. Hey, Carp. On another topic, did you see Mike Milbury is being charged with assault of a 12-year-old boy? Do you think NBC will finally get rid of him? Please say yes! =)

  31. ilb, I disagree to a point. I think there will always be a spot for agitators and cheap-shot artists. There have always been the Tikkanens, Claude Lemieuxs, Keith Actons, Sutters, Averys. But those guys can play, too.

  32. ilb, did you hear that Boston Bruins Mike Milbury is a child abuser? hahahaha, its sounds better every time I say it!!

  33. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    TOMG: Re “Buttman please go back to the NBA because you are killing the game of hockey” –

    Who says Buttman ever left the NBA?

  34. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Manny: Your recommendations are right on, except you forgot to recommend the NHL reverting to FOUR DIVIVISIONS – oh wait, somebody pinch me – it’s too good to be true!

  35. haha, dont worry, Ill do all the commenting!! Not only is Milbury disgusting slime that he went into the stands at MSG to bludgeon Rangers fans, not only is he racist against Europeans and likely blacks too, he’s also a child abuser!! Rod, this guy is a billion times more of a joke than Sean Avery could ever dream of being, yet he remains on NBC and NESN, while Avery is on his way out the door of the NHL.

  36. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    “Is this a N.O.W. convention here, what with all this candy-ass “eliminate fighting” lobbying going on? Christ, they (the lawyers and their hatchet-faced, butch-haired clients) killed manhood in the real world, we have to let them kill it in the National Hockey League too?

    You know Louie Fontinato played eight more years after Gordie Howe manslaughtered him to death. They were real men back then, by the way, not a Harry Reid or a Woody Allen in the bunch.

  37. Carp, I see your point, but I still believe there would be more agitators than cheap shot artists. Do you think if there were 100 less players in this league Matt Cooke and Dan Carcillo would be playing? Avery, in all fairness, is not a cheap shot artist. He still wouldn’t be around either.

  38. I wasn’t comparing Milbury & Avery, Tiki, you lumped them together.

    But the game, IMO, is better w/o both of them!

  39. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Legislating so-called “staged fights” out of the game is just the skinny end of the anti-fighting wedge. The very phrase itself suggests fakery. But, of course, Prust going at it with someone on the opening shift is anything but fake. The stats suggest it has a positive effect on the Rangers’ combat level and overall performance. And it elevates the atmosphere in the building.

    It would be more accurate to distinguish between “spontaneous” and “strategic” battles. But in the end, there’s no practical difference between the punches thrown in one and the other.

    I agree with the argument that eliminating fighting and requiring visors will hurt the culture of the sport and lead to more dangerous and dishonorable play. But, let the NHLPA decide. It’s their game.

    For me, the quickest way to figure out the right position on a complex issue like this is to pay very close attention to what the die-hard hockey fanatics at the NY Times want… and then do the opposite.

  40. Non Sequitur…but I wanted to give a vigorous thumbs up to something Carp said a while back:

    “Well, if that one player gives you a snarly line as opposed to a cushiony soft one asgainst a very physical team, then it could make a difference. And I guess what I’m saying is, wither it’s Rupp or Avery going in, I’d end this Erik Christensen experiment now. The way the Rangers play, they can’t have a soft fourth line.”

    Preach, brother. Preach. Now if only Tortorella could see that.

  41. I know you weren’t comparing them, Rod. I was just giving an example of a real joke of a human being, Milbury, as opposed to Avery, who’s actually a pretty decent, but misunderstood guy. And how their NHL careers are on opposite paths.

    Can someone do me a favor and FB me and let me know when special events like that Niedermayer thing last night are happening? I like getting stuff like that, but I dont really follow hockey.

    I just happened to be going through Directv channels to record something else when I accidentally stumbled across the Niedermayer thing right as it started at 6:30, so I got lucky to get it.

  42. Make the ice bigger.

    Stop with the touch up icing.

    Smaller and softer equipment are musts.

    No more Boogaards, Parros’, or Brashears. Goons have no place in the NHL. They are sometimes fun but serve no purpose in the games.

    No more breakaway contests.

    No more trapezoid. If goalie leaves crease to play puck, he is fair game….

    Extend OT to 10 minutes 4 on 4. Then another 10 minutes 3 on 3, if necessary. Bring back ties if there are real ties….

    More concussion resistant helmets. NHL needs to mandate that Reebok makes them.

  43. Tiki,

    I’ve said several times I don’t dislike SA, and I’ve realize how & why he’s misunderstood.

    I just don’t want to spend my time talking about him. Ever again.

    And I’d guess he’s about to be whaled in the net few hours/days, and so it’s all a moot point.

  44. Oh yeah, and ‘intent to injure’ needs to be clearly defined or just get rid of that language in the rulebook because right now it’s horse-carcillo. OFFICIALS NEED TO FOLLOW THE ACTUAL RULES!

  45. Thanks, Ilb for giving me your password, but I caught a virus in the computer right at the moment the game in St. Louis started..but I have repaired it now and wouldnt need it anyway cause i am able to find those game for free anyway in the internet…

    It would have worked on Thursday but I used a different website and maybe that was the reason I was shot down but my technician told me it can happen any time but provided me with a new anti-virus system…

    I was on my usual website and it worked for 7 and 7.30 pm games but at 8 they were some more games at the same time starting and you have to wait until stream starts but I usually too impatient…My old mistake :)

  46. The NHL will never expand the ice surface. Never. Even if there were players dying on the ice and it was the only way to prevent it from ever happening again. There’s too much money they would lose from choice seats up front.

  47. Sloppy seconds wasnt/isnt out of bounds, let them police themselves. Peel down the shoulder pads and wear the Messier helmet. All fines should go to further research and funding for better helmets. The staged fights/fighters should absolutely get tossed for the game. Less teams, less bums, better rivalries, makes a better product for Bettman to try to sell. At this point however I dont believe the game is ever “coming back”. And to say that it hasnt come back because of fighting that is the biggest load of carcillo since WMDs in Iraq. If the american public hasnt gotten turned off by the latest lockouts in the NBA and NFL they wont ever turn off those TRUE dregs of the althetic world. This game is beautiful and unfortunately will stay a fringe sport no matter how amazing HBO makes it look. Go Rangers.

  48. You’re right Sid.

    Sloppy seconds was a completely classy thing for Avery to say publicly because someone broke up with him.

    My final Sean Avery comment.

  49. Eliminate 10 teams and make a better product (by making the ice smaller) and the NHL will have more revenue, not less Phil. That’s what these idiots in the NHL brass don’t understand. They’re sense of business growth is short-sighted. They need to improve the product on the ice before any more expansion takes place…they aren’t going to make money when the stars of the game can’t play because of head injuries and terrible officiating…

  50. Let me be the first to say Boomer, STFU;

    Boomer Esiason

    We want Sean Avery in the #NYR lineup tonight! Need to stir it up, can’t lose three in a row. That is unacceptable!

  51. Sloppy seconds was a classless comment made by a person who was close to his 30 then and isn’t stupid at all. You make a judgement.

  52. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Years ago I sent a letter to the league’s head office suggesting that someone develop a fiber glass helmet. It seems to me that it would have two advantages: first and foremost being safety, of course; and second we could once again see player’s hair which gives them identity and personality that helmets disguise. It is important to have recognizable stars in any sport to help market the product.

    Of course, in its infinite wisdom the NHL was beyond looking into the idea of a transparent/safety first helmet, back then. And this was BEFORE Buttman’s time. Guess player’s of the caliber of Crosby, Pronger, Giroux, Staal, et al going down is just “business as usual.” I don’t expect much to change beyond making “fighting” the scapegoat, and keeping Reebok or whomever happy.

  53. The whole fighting issues seems almost like a guise to make the NHL relevant. We had three events(the deaths of Boogaard, Rypien and Belak). At least one of those events is almost wholly unrelated to fighting in the NHL: Family members said Belak’s death was an accident flat-out. Another incident that may be unrelated: Boogaard’s death was also an accident, but nobody has come out to say his so-called ‘addiction’ was a direct consequence of his fighting. And then we have a suicide that may or may not be related to fighting. Now we have a rash of concussions that are being carelessly lumped into the issue of fighting. The article that was posted here mentions Crosby of all people, who was felled by an accidental hit; again, nothing to do with fighting in the NHL. Time Magazine jumped on board a few weeks ago and made the same leap of faith: Concussions in the NHL and deaths afterward are a factor of fighting.

    Am I the only one that sees the insanity of all this? Are people really this dense? Removing fighting from the game does little other than to dull down the game a bit and finally put an end to a job description that is already on its way out in the NHL.

    On a related note, do all these people calling for the end to fighting realize that guys like the aforementioned three and Fedoruk and all the other hapless goons make money? I mean, a lot of money? Maybe I’m callous, but I don’t feel bad for these guys in the least. Getting paid six and sometimes seven-figures to get your face re-arranged once every other week ain’t too shabby. I don’t think you’ll hear Colton Orr bitch about his role in the NHL. Or the mechanic that services his Mercedes.

  54. argue it every which way to Sunday, but fighting will be out of hockey soon. and the goons are the cause. they have turned hockey fighting into a needless sideshow.

  55. But Carp, you have to admit there are less of those goons than 10 years ago. Most teams now carry a guy like Neil or Cooke or Carcillo instead of a Brashear or Laraque or Oliwa.

  56. The text i’m reading doesnt say classy. If you want class go sip tea with Kate Middleton and the queen. Don’t PC the game and don’t hold athletes up to standards. Rod I bet your one of these fools that’s SHOCKED and APPALLED when another MLBer fails a drug test. They are athletes not Doctors or College professors or even bought out politicans. I could give a carcillo whether Tebow thanks God or Allah for his touchdowns. Stop being suprised when an athlete says something stupid because I would take that any day as opposed to actions like that of; Dante Stallworth, Michael Vick, Sam Hurd all the way down the line to the alleged buisness of Millbury or Boley.

  57. “NY Giants linebacker Michael Boley — who signed a $25 million contract in 2009 — is being investigated for allegedly abusing his 5-year-old son earlier this year”


    It’s one thing to shake around and verbally abuse a 12 year old…but to abuse a 5 year old. Wow!

    NFL – National Felons League

  58. Czechthemout!!! on


    I’m with you staged fighting should eliminated from the game!


    So when someone has a contrary opinion to yours regarding a player, that person should stfu?
    Maybe you should follow your own advice?

  59. LOL Orr? A 5-year old? Sheesh.

    No Sid,

    I’m not shocked & appalled when an athlete fails a drug test.

    I am appalled and saddened when I see an athlete like Bonds found guilty of liying to a grand jury and the judge reduces the sentence to 30 days house arrest, and puts off the trial for a year!

  60. Ah, what can ya do! Every time I take joy in something, I get paid back in kind, so Im not surprised. Maybe one day I’ll learn to keep my mouth shut. Not likely, LOL! Hopefully, Boley is innocent. But if he’s guilty, Im sure he will be adequately punished by his employers (the Giants) and the court system, unlike Milbury.

  61. No Czechthemout.

    But Boomer should definitely stfu.

    Him & that ugly bitch sidekick that pollutes the airwaves after games on MSG.

  62. Czechthemout!!! on

    So the guy that spends his time coming up with snarky nicknames is throwing Michael Boley
    Under the bus without reading further on in the story that his lunatic ex-wife has made all sorts of unfounded accusations in an attempt to take the man for all he has.

    You truly are a piece of………t!

  63. Why is it that there’s less crime committed by NHL players than any of the other 3 major sports? There’s more players in hockey than in the NBA.

  64. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Boom Boom:

    By “let the NHLPA decide”, I meant simply let the players decide whether fighting continues.

    I have no problem with professional hockey people (and fans) deciding the issue. But most of the anti-fighting “movement” (there is no such animal) is just a small handful of sports writers and commentators who neither enjoy nor understand the sport. You could give them complete control over the sport and they still wouldn’t pay to watch it on a bet.

    The Uplifters can stick it.

  65. sorry Carp. Some of these guys can still tick me off.

    A five year old getting abused is funny to you Orr?

    What the hell’s the matter with you?!

  66. NYR @ 11:58 is pretty much SPOT ON. Larger ice (200 x 94 = Finland), Smaller Padding from the head down, no more raffle contest at the end of the game, 3 points handed out per game unless a TIE results, better helmet technology, remoce one ref from the ice surface, goalie out of trapezoid is fair game, bring back interference below the blue dots in your own end, bring back two line pass, move all souther USA teams to Canada, no more goons, more kate upton, less don cherry, more paige roberts a/k/a paige richards and way, way, way more Paulina Gretzky!

  67. Hey Rod – knowing ORR for some time in an electronic way only, I would like to say that I don’t think he thinks the ABUSE itself is funny. He is just laughing at yet another NFL player getting arrested/investigated and surprise, surprise yet another adult is investigated or charged for injuring a child. It’s getting insane. Why do people hit their kids? Why?

  68. Well, usually because they don’t listen Manny.

    I get what you’re saying, or what orr was saying

    let’s move on.

  69. Czechthemout!!! on

    Why should Boomer STFU? He is a huge Rangers fan who goes to alot of games and tries valiantly to promote the game every chance he gets. He has an opine on Avery that is contrary to yours. The rangers record with in the lineup is 13-2-1, 4-6-3 without him. Coincidence? Maybe. But those are the numbers and Boomer thinks Avery makes a difference.

  70. Czech, I thought you don’t care aboot anything I do? What happened?

    Oh, but while I have you, can you explain chemistry one more time? Bwahaha!

    I bet this Foley guy abused his 5 year old kid because he takes away from the chemistry in the house! Hahaha!

  71. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Agreed. Boomer seems like a good guy and a genuine fan. He prefers a stronger roster to a happier coach.

  72. Or maybe Boomer is trying to do his friend a favor, and is & has been helping the SA P.R. strategy all along, as has Larry Brooks.

    And maybe the coach doesn’t deserve the meddling, and the team can no longer afford it.

    Open your eyes!

  73. And Czech, those numbers might mean something if Avery did something in those games, but he didn’t.

    Unless you think the team actually finds inspiration in the act of him pulling on the sweater.


  74. Czechthemout!!! on


    I don’t care what you say about hockey. But you came on here not only posting how you thought it was funny that a 5 year old may have been abused, but also you come on here with out any facts and post that Boley abused him as if it were already a done deal.

    You are a piece of ……..t. And here is a chemistry lesson for you., ……t floats! And your smell has permiated this blog for way too long,

  75. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Coach Queeg has some personality problems. If he can channel his aggression and antagonism in a positive direction that serves the team interest, then good for him. But if he prefers a slower, less competitive lineup of cringing drones to protect his ego, then bad for him.

  76. A caller to Boomer and Cockroach the other day said he doesn’t understand why Avery isn’t playing because Avery was one of the best players in the whole league.

    To which Boomer said, “I don’t know about that.”

  77. I just wonder if the pro-16 crowd will ever admit that, the unfair coach’s decision on this one player notwithstanding, he’s a pretty damn good coach who’s done a very good job since he arrived.

  78. Czechthemout!!! on


    I don’t think Avery had a hand in every one of those wins or losses. But to say he didn’t contribute to several of them means that you just don’t watch the games. Maybe you should read some of Carps reviews a little more often.

    Carp sorry if I went to far @ Orr. I just don’t like when people are assumed guilty when there is no evidence of it. Or when people believe it is funny when a 5 year old may have been abused.

  79. Well, that was mighty kind of Boomer!

    He can make that differentiation, so I guess he’s a top notch hockey mind?

    Cmon Carp.

    I never post a lot of the stuff I’ve been hearing about this (some of which you’ve alluded to).

    It’s dirty pool. It’s not right for the team. Not now.

  80. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Excellent point about Boomer. He’s got some good hockey sense… and he’s noted the obvious about the coach’s ongoing (self-defeating) lineup nonsense.

  81. Czechthemout!!! on


    I was and am a big Torts fan. I think he has done a great job here and hope to see him lead the team to the cup. My problem with him is that he not allow his ego to get in the way of the team. The comment about the top thirteen players on the team was a joke of a comment.

    Ec, Ww,and Rupp suck and are just not better than 16 . Niether is Mitchell for that matter.

    Staal Wart

    He only plays 4 minutes because the coach won’t allow him to play anymore than that.

  82. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Torts’ go effin’ get ’em, strategy-lite approach isn’t my cup of tea. I, for one, think he’s been an improvement over Renney. And that’s precisely why his ego-driven personnel decisions that don’t help the team are frustrating.

    Boomer gets it.

  83. Czechthemout!!! on


    I like reading your posts. I really do. I just don’t agree with you. I think 16 adds to the team. You don’t. That’s fine. Boomer thinks like me and he also likes Torts a lot.

  84. Czech,
    I don’t know about Avery/Mitchell.
    I remember Avery’s good games and bad. One thing that alway’s sticks out about Avery to me is the stupid blind passes in the defensive zone…that sometimes he attempts 2 or more times per shift. That is a large part of why he plays 4 minutes or rides pine.

  85. Czech, it’s not that it’s a kid getting abused, it’s the fact that it’s another NFL player in trouble that makes me laugh! I love it!

    And to be fair, so many NFL players are guilty, that it just makes sense to find them guilty before proven!

    You may not like me, but you know what I bring to RR? A little thing called @CHEMISTRY@ so suck on that!

  86. How incredibly stupid do you have to be to wait on hold for an hour to get on the Boomer & carton show and say sean Avery is one of the best players in the NHL?

    It’s off the charts stupid!

    Carp, I’m really surprised you’d use Boomer’s response as some sort of hockey IQ barometer.

    Listen guys, this has been going on a long time. Most of it you’ve never heard about.
    Maybe some day I can elaborate, but it’s not cool. It’s not good for the team.

    If you like Avery so much there’s nothing to stop you from going to Connecticut to see him.
    ut I wouldn’t wait past this year.

  87. Orr, maybe you should change your name to the Self-flatulating Straw that Stirs?

    It’s like borderline looney bin here now.

    Time to go get my Xmas tree.

  88. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Wins are good for the team. Torts should put out the combination of players that wins.

  89. How about the combination of players that c-o-n-t-r-i-b-u-t-e to wins?

    Cause that’d work just as well, minus the distractions.

  90. Czechthemout!!! on


    What you and all the other 16 haters fail to understand is that to me and most others it’s not about him. It’s about wining. The team has looked like crap the last two games. They have been timid, and meek in their play. When 16 was in the lineup, they were not. If Torts puts him back in and they still play the same way as the last two games than I am all for getting rid of him as well and going in another direction. But outing EC in over Avery is a bad hockey decision on every level. You don’t agree?

  91. U serious Czech?

    I don’t think EC or SA are even good enough to play in Hartford?!!

    Said it a million times.

  92. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Your favorite coach seems easily distracted. Is he aware his ego-safe lineup is playing lousy?

  93. I know it’s another day and the sun came out because 16 is again the conversation instead of actual players that contribute to wins and losses like Stepan, Gabby, Brich, Hank, Girardi, MCD etc. Never seen more attention paid to a bit player ever in sports. Especially one that no one else in the NHL wants.

  94. Czechthemout!!! on


    That fine. So what do you think they should do about the lack of snarl and the timid play?

    Also if your choice is EC,Avery,Rupp, who do you play?

  95. He’s not my favorite coach.

    I think some serious questions remain about Torts’ ability to get them to a championship,
    even though he’s already done it elsewhere.

    But the man deserves to do the job without some of the bull that’s gone on.

  96. And of course it wouldn’t be another day w/o bashing the Head Coach who has this team 4th in the Conference. 3rd in GAA. 3rd in goal differential. I was thinking we can now fire him and bring in Jack Martin because he really enthralled them in MTL.

  97. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Torts and his flacks believe if he just screams his hockey platitudes louder he can make soft players tough and slow players fast. HBO’s recording it all for the HOF.

  98. Czech,

    I’ve said (and been asking about) the idea of Audy Marchessault getting a look. He’s a sneaky little sun-of-a-gun, and could provide some skill & a boost similar to what we got from Hagelin.

    Physically, we’re starting with Rupp, like it or not.

    And we need a trade. And not a small one.

  99. His ego-safe lineup is 9 games above .500 while going through pretty condensed and difficult schedule. With some bumps. It would happen regardless whether EC or Avery were in the lineup.

    Folks, having different views shouldn’t be the reason to call each other names. I’m sure that not only brings nothing to RR, but, in fact, takes away from it.

  100. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Just want the team to play its best. Some of the coach’s lineup moves seem selfish and counter-productive.

  101. Look at it this way;

    If we get Kreider in here before the end of the year, and you count Anisimov as a LW,
    which is where he’s been playing, that’s EIGHT left wings!

    (Avery, Hagelin, AA, Feds, Wolski, Kreider, Dubinsky, Rupp)

    And none of them are righty shots which we desperately need for the PP.

    So someone needs to step up or we need a deal.

  102. I love the Torts bashers who never mention a replacement for him. Very easy to always say FIRE THE COACH!! Ok great, who ya replacing him with? And are you sure he will better than what you had? Seems to me of the 6 coaches fired, only 1 team (St. Louis) has gotten any better.

  103. Rupp is going to be playing the moment he is ready. Over EC and Avery. He is here to stay. His play was hampered by his wonky knee. And they will give him a long, hard look before they decide he isn’t a better player than those two. IMO, he will be fine and he will surprise a lot of people….He will start off with relieving Prust’s shoulder right away..

  104. RIR – Just want the team to play its best? You talk like they are the 11th seed, bad defensively with no hope of making the playoffs. The Coach has this team built to win long term. They are a smart defensive team that doesn’t give up much. They are getting scoring from their defense (something I didn’t think would happen). They are actually built very similarly to the Bruins. Now they need their bottom 6 to score like the B’s get.

  105. Wow, what effort by the Flys! LOL. Guess they expended all their energy against the bruins in 2010 to last a lifetime.

  106. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Rupp may be able to fight for Prust, but there’s little in his record to suggest that he can make the 4th line a more dynamic forechecking unit. Healthy or hobbled, he’s still slow.

  107. “Coaches don’t take a player like me off the ice for no reason,” Richards said.
    “There’s a reason and I’ve got to respond to it.”

    Like everything I’ve seen and heard from Richards so far.

  108. Rhode Island Ranger on


    I assume we want the same thing: results. If the coach gets those results with his vanilla “better hockey players” that don’t make his goatee itch, great.

    But, if his chosen ones don’t deliver, then I assume you’ll join me in suggesting that his own ego is getting in the way.

  109. I don’t think his ego is a problem. I don’t think this Avery thing has a one drop to do with ego. No one has any proof other than 1 lonely comment on a TSN intermission that there is a rift between the two. An ex-coach moved to TV ripping a player only to have him in the lockerroom is not that uncommon nor is it a big deal. I’m pretty sure the Flyers had lots of bad things to say about Talbot and guess what he’s now in their lockerroom.

  110. Bryzgalov obviously don’t stop pucks in this universe, but in another one… Fun game at the perfect game time for us in Europansyland

  111. Ironically, on NHL network they are doing a feature on NYR-PHI rivalry and look at that Freddy the Fog left the Flyers to join the NYR. Guess they didn’t respect that Flyer when he took them to finals.

    Again, what is the proof there is some personal rift between the two?

  112. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Everything about Torts’ demeanor screams ego. Confident, accomplished professionals don’t act the way he does with the hockey press. Arrested adolescent.

    Do you suppose for one second our Torts began his coaching relationship with the player he wanted banned from hockey for an off-color joke with an apology?! You or I would have.

    #16’s relationship with Torts isn’t the Rangers’ biggest issue, but I think it’s a revealing one. It says something about how the coach deals with other adults that he personally dislikes. If he can get this group to win in spite of his flaws, then I’m all for Torts. But I fear he’s already all for himself.

  113. I just want to point out the stats of a coach that has cares more about his ego than winning.

    1986-87 Virginia Lancers ACHL Head 58 36 19 3 0 0.647 Won Championship
    1995-96 Rochester Americans AHL Head 80 37 34 5 4 0.519 Won Championship
    1996-97 Rochester Americans AHL Head 80 40 30 9 1 0.563 Lost in round 2
    2001-02 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 27 40 11 4 0.421 Out of Playoffs
    2002-03 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 36 25 16 5 0.567 Lost in round 2
    2003-04 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 46 22 8 6 0.646 Won Championship
    2005-06 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 43 33 0 6 0.561 Lost in round 1
    2006-07 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 44 33 0 5 0.567 Lost in round 1
    2007-08 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL Head 82 31 42 0 9 0.433 Out of Playoffs
    2008-09 New York Rangers NHL Head‡ 21 12 7 0 2 0.619 Lost in round 1
    2009-10 New York Rangers NHL Head 82 38 33 0 11 0.530 Out of Playoffs
    2010-11 New York Rangers NHL Head 82 44 33 0 5 0.567 Lost in round 1

    Looks to me like he’s won a Championship at every level he’s been a head coach. Looks to me he’s been above .500 as a Coach in all years but his first in TB (took over a mess of a franchise) and his last in TB (ownership was a mess). He’s a shootout goal away from making the playoffs in every year but those 2. Clearly, his ego is more important than winning.

  114. RIR – Clearly his teams that have won at every level he’s coach don’t respect him. The ECHL Championship, The AHL Championship and the Stanley Cup Championship.

    And by the way, you are using Avery as an example of professionalism? There isn’t less of a ego driven player than him. He admitted he did the pushups in LA after the goal to get attention. That’s not ego of course. It’ s good old fashion team chemistry. PLEASE!

  115. Confident professional don’t act like Torts…. Really must have missed Mike Ditka. Scotty Bowman was a real teddy bear (as one ex-player said, “we liked one day a year. When we held the stanley cup). Mike Keenan sure was a nice guy. Pat Burns – clearly a soft guy. Ken Hitchock – he’s a real comedian too. Marc Crawford – (Go get that Moore kid).

    All those Cup Winners never yelled and screamed. Right?!

  116. have a great time at the game tonight Tony!
    cheer us on to a win!

    what will you be wearing in case the camera
    passes by your seats?

  117. I’ll go back to football since I brought up Ditka, Bill Parcells and Belichek are always so warm and fuzzy with the press too. RIGHT?

  118. TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
    Confirming PHX trades Turris to OTT for David Rundblad and a 2nd round pick.

    A good young d and high pick. Interesting.

  119. Rod,

    I’m not calling into question your inside dope on Avery but you might help cease this ongoing back-n-forth about him if you would just tell us what you’ve heard. I can understand Carp’s reluctance to tell what he’s also heard because it was second-hand info, and there is journalistic integrity that comes into play, but you’re just someone we know as Rod; you’re as anonymous as I am. Carp will be under no obligation to deny or confirm your story. Who knows, if you spill the beans, we may all become Avery-haters and put thing to bed.

  120. Tony
    it’s possible my friends from Las Vegas
    may be at the game.
    they have relatives in Phoenix.

    Anthony and Karen
    should be wearing their Rangers jerseys.
    both are close 5’10 to 6′ each
    (balding black hair for him, thick reddish hair for her)

  121. Rod, I surely wasn’t noting Boomer’s hockey IQ. I think he’s a below-average fan in terms of actually understanding of the game. But he is a real fan, and he is an Avery fan, and he understands that Avery is not one of the best players in game. Just sayin.

    This so-called ego-driven coach has one problem with one marginal player.

    He has some personality issues. Other than that, he has success, almost all of his players love him, and they play hard every night. And he has had a huge hand in the development of the organization.

  122. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Do I understand correctly that you’re an old hockey PR guy? If I have that right, then I’d love your take on why this self-less strategist acts like a petulant brat when he meets with the press after games to “promote” this great game.

    That character acting out in those pressers is the same one that mocks us fans by insisting that rag bags like EC and WW (and limpy Rupp) are better players than the designated whipping boy. Ego in action.

    But Gawd love ’em, if he can get his favorites past the second round, I’m for him.

  123. Let’s see… I see 3 Championships for Torts. I see none for Mr. Avery (unless you want to count he played 2 reg season and no playoff games for 02 Wings). Clearly, Avery is a proven winner and his head coach knows nothing about that. But don’t let the facts get in the way though of the 16 love. It’s cute. Like girls who cry when they see Justin Beiber.

  124. Tony

    good to hear.
    yeah, it’s kinda long
    but i was excited to tell you about the Furthur
    show as well as
    seek your advice.

    thanks in advance!

  125. orr- got my ps3 back but i havent got online in so long. im playing skyrim and am hooked bigtime. will b back online soon ok.

  126. Good afternoon all! WTB is going on here today?!

    Carp at 1:07, I’ve never had a problem admitting that.

    Grabby at 1:27, LOL!!

  127. I can’t believe we’re still going on with this discussion … but since we are …

    I’d want No. 16 in the lineup vs. Devils Tuesday, Islanders Thursday, Flys Friday (Festivus) and Islanders Monday.

  128. RIR – Yes I am and he’s no different than a lot of these winning coaches. They would rather deal with their players and want everything kept in house. In fact, the players always like a coach who is direct with them and not go through the media. Those are the coaches that usually lose their lockerroom. To coaches, the media is a necessary evil but that doesn’t mean they feel the need to air everything in public. There is also a big difference between a post game presser and a post practice presser. There is also a big difference when just the beat writers are around and the extra fringe media. And by the way, I give them more credit than most teams in NHL right now as they are honest about their injuries and don’t use this stupid upper body – lower body stuff.

  129. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    If the Rangers are not “road weary” tonight’s match up looks like the ideal spot for this team to break out of its mini-slump.

    I have a Fibonacci-points reward grading system in place, as of December 1st, and so far this month the Rangers could not have an on-paper match-up vs. a more vulnerable and beatable opponent. This is because in the Power Play column, the Rangers show 678 points for, and 212 points against; while Phoenix shows 76 Power Play points for, to 665 points against tallied by their opponents. If the Rangers Power Play and PK units don’t click tonight against this Phoenix team which doesn’t have a PP or a PK unit worth spit, the Rangers will have only themselves to blame.

    The caveat here is that Phoenix grades as having a 60% share of the overall even strength match-up. So that the Rangers job is to stay even with Phoenix on the even strength scoreboard column and beat their brains out with the special teams.

    Currently, the Rangers are listed as a slight dog at -105 (www.vegasinsider.com), with the line on Phoenix at -115. My line on this game has the Rangers at -143, making them a blue ribbon overlay play with about a 59 per cent chance of winning this game, even discounting for the fact that this is a road game. (Now go out and make me look stupid, Rangers. lol)

  130. Rhode Island Ranger on


    I agree Torts’s got a good looking resume and I want the Rangers to win while he’s here. So, why does he act like a child?

    When we observe that kind of behavior with other adults in any other profession, we automatically start asking how what Carp calls “personality issues” might manifest themselves behind closed doors with the colleagues he has authority over.

    Smells unhealthy.

  131. Carp – I’d guess Rupp goes in for EC tonight. If Mitchell has another quiet night, 16 comes in from him. It would make them tougher to compete against and give them team toughness (hockey term) but won’t help much offensively.

  132. If you were in that lockerroom and just got embarrassed by the Islanders like that game late last season and the coach came out to press and starting ripping individual guys to the press and starting pointing fingers to press, you’d be pretty ticked off. Instead, the coach strategically starts an argument with the press so he can end the presser w/o saying anything about the game. Does not happen by accident.

  133. Rhode Island Ranger on


    I appreciate your insight. But, as an old player and coach myself, I think there’s more to Torts’ edginess than some calculated, multi-level chess game with the press. He seems genuinely insecure behind the boilerplate bluster. “Spies all around” and that kind of stuff.

    Guys as different as Bob Johnson and Don Cherry were able to maintain locker room trust and a healthy, friendly rapport with the press because they were naturally comfortable talking about hockey… with anyone.

    Torts’ record suggests his personality can push a talented team over the top and, then, maybe over the edge. Remains to be seen whether his instinctive approach will be the right one for this group. The jury is still out.

  134. BBV, I am actually completely shocked that the other writers haven’t written about the incident since they know about it. Some were there when it happened, too.

  135. RIR, I know Tortorella since he was an assistant, and I assure you that almost all of his issues with the press is an act. And he really dislikes questions from people he doesn’t know, which I kind of like, especially when you start to get a large number of reporters taking up time from the regular beat writers.

    And after practices and some games, Tortorella is fantastic with detailed answers to questions.

  136. Lucic hit from behind. I love the way that guy plays but he deserves a game or two for that one. He saw the numbers on the player and still hit him from behind right at the glass. Can’t say that was one of those were the player went a distance before hitting a board.

  137. Carp I wanted to get back to you regarding the Rangers’ locker room. Yes, it’s smaller than say what the Yankees have but I think that creates a better team atmosphere. As opposed to guys having their own ‘wing’ instead of a locker.

    Ps- Rundblad with the game winning goal tonight! :P

    pps- Torts the personality flawed child/coach has some options now that Rupp is coming back. I am for a line with a little bit of that ‘sand paper’ we’ve discussed here in the past. Center him with Aves and Prust. Makes some sense.

  138. eddie eddie eddie on

    HW – as mentioned, after the Islanders’ game, Torts chose not to rip “certain” players that didnt play well…..so as not to embarrass them…..but why did he feel the need to embarrass Avery in europe after the demotion…….the thing is you can’t play favorites…if you plan on not publicly ripping some players, then that should be your motif for all players…it not right, and int not fair

  139. May not be around for the game tonight – my desk chair just collapsed from underneath me, and I probably broke a few vertebrae and became concussed.

  140. Too bad Latona. That’s a really tough break. Good luck with that. We will await your indefinite return.

    Wow. Real blockbuster that Turris deal turned out to be.

  141. eddie eddie eddie on

    latona – you might be on season ending IR….yikes…hope you feel better – and soon…:(

  142. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Obviously, you observe Torts more closely than we do. But the crazy stuff with Brooks, biting poor old Stan Fishler’s head off, and regularly stonewalling reasonable questions sure looks like more than an “act”.

    What confuses me a bit is that you have taken the Torts-is-good-but-has “personality issues” position fairly consistently, but now you’re declaring it all contrived. To me, he looks seriously uncomfortable dealing with people that don’t answer to him. Curious.

  143. I think he treats some people disrespectfully, including some who don’t deserve to be treated that way. Fischler, I understand. He comes to the occasional press conference and immediately shouts out some off-the-wall question he’s been working on all day, which he knows Tortorella won’t answer. “Coach, do you consider your team elite now?” C’mon. With Brooks, there’s plenty of history.

    Some of the other guys he’s treated disrespectfully since Day 1. I think that’s part of the act, this tough-guy bully persona he wants out there.

    I’ve sure taken shots at him — I was all over him for the water bottle incident and his failure to live up to it — and he’s always treated me well. Remember, when he was the assistant here the coach was John Muckler, and nobody had a worse relationship with Muckler than I did. Yet, Tortorella never took it out on me.

    What I’m saying is that I can see the decent guy in there, under all the show, and I know that most of his players — from Tampa and here — would jump off a bridge for him.

  144. Probably not, Carp, but it hurts like carcillo. I wonder if I have any leftover painkillers from the appendicitis…

  145. Rhode Island Ranger on


    Thanks for that. Good stuff.

    But, I don’t think Torts’ disrespect for others that he has at a disadvantage (whether rationalized as strategy or not) reflects well on the person.

    Given the way you’ve described him, I think I’d rather have you coaching than him. Your lineup would be better!

  146. You guys should put me on IR, though. Need to clear up some cap space for a call-up from Defending the Core.

  147. Great job by me benching Joey Corvo!

    Keep on losing Phlyers. Keep on losing. Rangers could actually be atop this division. Weird.

  148. Latona, I think I have some …

    RIR, I agree, it doesn’t reflect well upon him at all. I’ve told him that. But I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want me coaching. I’d have to get skates, for one thing.

    eddie, he’d be in the Hall already if he hadn’t done the Leetch-wing lock against Bure.

  149. Rhode Island Ranger on


    You could do the late-career Scotty Bowman thing and coach from your office suite. Practices are for peons.

  150. helenenothelen Helene Elliott
    Darryl Sutter has been hired as the Kings’ next coach and will take over on Tuesday.

    Lombardi and Sutter back together. Look for a team to overachieve in regular season and fall apart in post.

  151. Paul in sunrise on

    I am late to today’s conversation but I was talking to my dad about this. He had seats at the old Boston garden and season tixx with the rangers for two decades. Back in the old days before head gear and concussions discussions the therapy of choice was a cigarette and a beer between periods. No body talked about a head injury they just played with the headache. It’s a matter of awareness now.

  152. Vinny,

    You asked, I wasn’t saying anything about what/who I know.
    I can’t. Certain info only comes from certain places.

    And I wouldnt be privy to it anymore if I said from where it came.
    Believe what u will; time proves it all out – or not.

    Oh, I see Don Maloney is some kind of genius now?

    You’d never know he destroyed the Isles and wrecked I dont know how
    many drafts/trades for us.

  153. I wish you guys would stop talking about me. Even I’m getting sick of reading about me. I don’t mind the stalkers though, so don’t think for a second that I don’t appreciate you -freaks- people! Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to apply some black nail polish on my nails…

  154. Rod,
    was the reason Erixon was recalled for this trip because he was being offered for Turris?

  155. Oh, I hadn’t heard anything like that.

    If Erixon were being showcased he would have presumably played.

  156. eddie eddie eddie on

    dde – i hope your spelling is not an important part of your job….might be awhile till your next promotion

  157. Rod,
    it was just the timing I was speculating on. Playing in Phoenix, Turris traded for a Dman. just wondering if he had been brought along incase he was to be traded.

  158. eddie – I’ve already mastered the ABC DFE thing you taught me the other night, what’s next?

  159. so does Torts go the easy route and scratch EC or does he kick Duby in the marbles by scratching him? Or Mitchell..

  160. Stranger Nation on

    Avery issue is off -ice related IMO. Torts has young team and doesn’t want AA, MDZ, Steps, McD influenced by his behavior and city night life distractions. If your goal for this team is become elite, the coach must look at the entire package and make decisions that focus on that long term goal. This team will not win a cup this season (hope I am proven wrong)

    Hockey wise, he should play over EC hands down. For building a high performing team for the next 3-5 years, he becomes a potential liability. Aves has speed and has scored more goals per ES shift than any other forward on the team is my guess.

  161. Thanks, Lev. That’s the stuff Im talking about. Ive got the Teemu game set for record! Appreciate it.

  162. Stranger Nation on

    Torts coaching record less impressive on NHL level upon further review. Take out cup year and he has one PO series win. Like his approach with this team, but do not think he is an elite hockey strategist at all.

  163. Not sure if Torts is great, but he certainly didn’t deserve that Stanley Cup. He lost the Cup Finals 2 games to 5. Refereeing was mainly responsible for the victory.

  164. I don’t think a replacement for Dubi gives you anything more – even if he’s not scoring.
    In fact you lose some things.
    So, that leaves sitting him because you think he deserves to be punished (which I don’t)
    or because you think a day off will clear his mind and he’ll come back relaxed etc. – who knows, but every game he’s out you have weakened you lineup whether he’s scoring or not.
    I’d keep him in, he had a season high 5 shots last game and was skating hard.

  165. Good move putting Biron in tonight. He is 5-1-0, while the coach’s favourite is 12-7-4, so the stats prove that the team has better chemistry when Biron plays.

  166. Upon further review, if you remove the year they won the Cup from the record of all coaches with one Cup win, they all have no Cups. Freaky coincidence.

  167. Dd, if there’s a good time to bench him, then it’s now. Should have happened weeks ago. Just my opinion!

    LW, so you’re saying, Beer-On GIVES the team better chemistry, and Hank TAKES AWAY from it??? OMG!

    NYR, maybe NYR can get Hollweg? Unless he’s too bust peeing on a girl in a bar! I don’t know!

  168. Stranger Nation on

    LW 100% correct. How many of those coaches have won more a single playoff series outside of the Cup run?

  169. Im not saying that, Orr. I’m letting the incontrovertible stats speak for themselves.

    Of course, Biron’s influence still lags way behind that of the NHL’s professor of chemistry, Jeff Woywitka.

  170. Stranger Nation on

    Orr, don’t have the list, the more technical heads have already put that together is my guess.

    What are the odds Yotes play 1-2-2 D Tonight?

  171. Hmm, I don’t know. If I remember the the series against the playoffs correctly, personally, he gives me the urge to blow my brains out!

    But, he did have a two goal game against the Flyers once!!! CHEMISTRY!

    What’s our record with Hollweg in the lineup? Anybody know???

    Can I get a “We Want Hollweg” when Phoenix scores the go-ahead goal??

  172. Stranger

    I wouldn’t paint Tortorella as Scotty Bowman, but it’s (a) an interesting way to construct an argument about somebody’s playoff record by discarding the most significant part of it, and (b) offering no context about the series in question. (How many of the series lost was he coaching the team favoured to win? Certainly none with the Rangers.)

  173. We need Step to step out. No pun intended there…

    Tonight’s keys to the game: JAM. BITE. BALLS.

    I like our club. It’s about team concept. Play within ourselves…stay out of the tub…

  174. So far with the Rangers, Tortorella has had his team finish average, just out of the playoffs one year, and just in the playoffs the next year. Let’s see how this year plays out, if we fall back to mediocrity and end the year as 7 or 8 seed (or miss the playoffs barely) and get knocked out in the first round, then it’s another year of mediocrity. And injuries may play a part in that. But if we finish with a mediocre playoff position this year, get knocked out early, and then the same thing occurs in 2012-13, then injuries cant always be an excuse. The Penguins have played without Crosby for over a year, Malkin for quite a bit of time and made the playoffs and are likely to do the same this year, the Flyers are missing everyone, and they continue to manage to be dangerous. We have to manage with what we’ve got, and find a way to not sink back to mediocrity.

  175. Hi Kids,

    So now we’re criticizing the officiating from 2004 in order to undercut Torts’ capability as a coach?
    Well that’s nothing. I heard he cheated on a math test back in jr high too. Why isn’t Sather on the phone with Randy Carlyle yet?!

    So is Dubinsky scratched?

  176. and I’ll say this in defense of the coach, whom I don’t really desire to defend, but whose defense is warranted against some of the criticism:

    Do you NOT see the difference between this team these last 111 games and all the teams for the, what, decade before it? If not, what are you watching?

  177. “now we’re criticizing the officiating from 2004”

    It’s not just now. I’ve been criticizing the refereeing from the 2004 Cup Finals since the 2004 Cup Finals. And not in an attempt to undercut Torts as a coach, but in an attempt to point out the facts. If you want to live in a make believe world in which officiating has no effect on the outcome of games and series, more power to you!

  178. Well, Torts is a Bostonian (as is Sully). So, that’s probably the reason for the anti-Flames officiating. But I wasn’t referencing that, because I have no stake against the Lightning, Flames or Torts.

    Like I said, we’ll see in the next couple years how effective Torts is as the coach of the Rangers. He has certainly progressed the team from what it was, but more progression is needed going forward. Mediocrity cannot be tolerated.

  179. Rhode Island Ranger on

    Yotes goalie Mike Smith moves the biscuit very well.

    The Rangers will have to dump the puck intelligently and be extra quick on the forecheck. Cally and Hagelin will be vital. Rupp will be late.

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