Stars at Rangers tonight


Brad Richards plays his 800th NHL game, against the team he left as a free agent in July.

Pre-game notes, courtesy of the Rangers:

Tuesday, Dec. 13, 7:00 p.m.
Madison Square Garden – New York, NY
: 17-6-4 (38 pts)
Stars: 16-11-1 (33 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Dec. 11

The Rangers will face-off against the Dallas Stars at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in their fourth game in six days. The Blueshirts currently rank second in the Atlantic Division standings, and fourth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 17-6-4 (38 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Florida Panthers, 6-1, on Sunday at Madison Square Garden, to sweep their weekend back-to-back set. New York has now recorded at least one point in 16 of their last 19 contests (14-3-2). The Stars enter the contest with a 16-11-1 (33 pts) record to rank third in the Western Conference, and have lost two of their last three games. Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the St. Louis Blues on Thursday, Dec. 15, at Scottrade Center (8:00 p.m.), to begin a three-game road trip.

· TV: MSG Network
6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Al Trautwig and Brian Leetch
7:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Stars
Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
· Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio and
6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
7:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Stars
Broadcasters: Kenny Albert (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)


  • · All-Time: 69-37-22-1 overall (37-17-11-0 at home; 32-20-11-1 on the road)
  • · 2011-12: Tonight is the first and only meeting this season between the Rangers and Stars.
  • · Last Season: New York was 1-0-0 overall, having won their only meeting, 3-2, in a shootout on Jan. 7 at Dallas. Ruslan Fedotenko notched an unassisted, shorthanded goal in the second, and Artem Anisimov’s power play goal at 8:04 of the third period sent the game into overtime. Henrik Lundqvist made 28 saves through regulation and overtime, and turned aside all three shootout attempts he faced.
  • · The Rangers have won their last two games against Dallas, and have out-scored the Stars, 8-4, over the span
  • · The Blueshirts won their last game vs. the Stars at MSG, 5-2, on Jan. 6, 2010
  • · New York is tied for 10th with an 8-2-2 (18 pts) record at home; Dallas ranks 17th with a 7-7-0 (14 pts) mark on the road
  • · The Rangers have posted a 2-0-2 record vs. Pacific Division opponents; the Stars are 1-2-0 vs. the Atlantic Division
  • · Henrik Lundqvist has posted a 3-2-0 record with a 2.18 GAA in five career regular season games vs. Dallas; Martin Biron is 6-3-0-0 with a 2.69 GAA in nine career regular season games vs. the Stars
  • · Marian Gaborik leads the Rangers with 14 goals, 15 assists and 29 points in 29 career regular season games vs. Dallas; Brad Richards has registered five points (four goals, one assist) in seven career regular season contests vs. the Stars
  • · New York lists three former Stars on their roster: Sean Avery (2008-09); Brad Richards (2007-08 – 2010-11); Jeff Woywitka (2009-10 – 2010-11)
  • · Dallas lists one former Ranger on their roster: Radek Dvorak (1999-00 – 2002-03)

The Rangers enter the contest with a four-game power play goal streak and are 10-37 (27.0%) with the man advantage in the last nine games. New York has notched a power play goal in eight straight home games (10-40, 25.0% over the span). The Blueshirts have also held their opponent scoreless in three straight games entering tonight’s contest (14-14, 100.0% over the span), while tallying three shorthanded goals during the stretch. The Rangers’ penalty kill is 24-26 (92.3%) in the last eight games. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 12-1-2 in games when tallying a power play goal, and are 12-1-2 when holding their opponent scoreless on the power play.

  • · Power Play: The Rangers tallied two goals in three power play opportunities (5:03) on Sunday vs. Florida. New York is tied for 17th overall (19-111, 17.1%) and ranks third at home (13-56, 23.2%). The Rangers are 2-10 (7:37) in five-on-three situations (last – 12/05 vs. TOR), and 0-4 (3:46) when four-on-three (last – 11/3 vs. ANA). Shorthanded goals allowed (2): 12/5 vs. TOR (Steckel); 12/8 vs. TBL (Moore).
  • · Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Panthers scoreless in seven shorthanded situations (14:00) on Sunday at MSG. New York ranks sixth overall (91-105, 86.7%) and third at home (38-42, 90.5%). The Rangers are 4-5 (2:35) in three-on-five situations (last – 12/8 vs. TBL), and 0-1 (1:17) when three-on-four (last – 10/7 at LAK). Shorthanded goals for (4): 10/20 at CGY (Prust); 12/8 vs. TBL (Anisimov); 12/10 at BUF (Hagelin); 12/10 at BUF (Callahan).
  • · Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Sunday vs. Florida. The Rangers are plus-three in 32 four-on-four situations (58:21), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (0).

The Blueshirts swept their weekend back-to-back set against Buffalo and Florida, out-scoring their opponents, 10-2, in the two games.  The Rangers are scheduled to play 14 back-to-back sets this season. New York has posted a record of 3-0-1 (1-0-0 at home, 2-0-1 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 3-0-1 (3-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 24-8-3 in the second game of back-to-back sets, with a 12-3-1 mark at MSG and 12-5-2 on the road over the span. Henrik Lundqvist has started on consecutive days 56 times in his career, posting a record of 35-14-7 with a 1.82 GAA, .935 Sv% and six shutouts in the second game. The Rangers’ next back-to-back set, their fifth of the season, is Dec. 22-23 against the NY Islanders and Philadelphia, with both games at MSG.

The Blueshirts’ 38 points through 27 games (17-6-4) is their best start to the season since the 1993-94 Stanley Cup Championship team posted 40 points in 27 games (19-6-2). New York currently ranks second in the league overall with a .704 winning percentage.

The Rangers tallied two shorthanded goals in the second period of Saturday’s game at Buffalo, marking the the first time the Rangers tallied two shorthanded goals in a game since Jan. 20, 2009 vs. Anaheim (F. Sjostrom at 3:22 of the 2nd Period and B. Betts at 19:26 of the 3rd Period). The last time the Blueshirts notched two shorthanded goals in the same period was during the second period on Mar. 6, 1997 at Los Angeles (B. Berg at 6:09 and N. Sundstrom at 15:11). *courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau


  • · The Rangers have the fewest regulation losses (six) in the NHL
  • · New York has registered a point in 16 of their last 19 games (14-3-2), and has out-scored their opponent, 67-42, during the stretch
  • · New York is 5-1-1 when leading after the first period and 11-0-2 when leading after the second
  • · The Blueshirts lead the league with a .900 win% when out-shooting their opponent (9-1-0)
  • · The Rangers are 7-0-0 all-time in games when Brandon Prust is assessed a fighting major in the opening two minutes
  • · The Blueshirts rank second in the NHL when scoring first, posting a 13-1-1 mark (.867 win%) in those contests, and their 13 wins are tied for third in the league
  • · Henrik Lundqvist is 10-2-1 with a 1.91 GAA, .934 Sv% and one shutout in his last 13 games
  • · Michael Del Zotto enters the contest with a four-game assist streak (five assists over the span), and has tallied eight assists in the last eight games
  • · Brad Richards has tallied 20 points (10 goals, 10 assists) in the last 19 games, with 12 points (five goals, seven assists) in the last nine
  • · Derek Stepan has tallied 19 points (seven goals, 12 assists) in the last 19 contests, with eight points (three goals, five assists) in the last six
  • · Artem Anisimov has tallied 15 points (five goals, 10 assists) in the last 16 games, with seven points (four goals, three assists) in the last six
  • · Marian Gaborik has tallied 21 points (11 goals, 10 assists) in the last 20 games, with eight points (five goals, three assists) in the last seven
  • · Ryan Callahan enters the contest with a three-game point streak (two goals, one assist over the span), and has tallied 10 points (four goals, six assists) in the last nine
  • · Rangers’ prospects Christian Thomas (Canada) and J.T. Miller (USA) have been invited to participate in their respective National Junior Team’s selection camp for the 2012 IIHF World Junior Championship


  • · Marian Gaborik: 2 assists from 300th NHL career; 2 goals from 300th NHL career; 4 points from 600th NHL career
  • · Dan Girardi: 4 assists from 100th NHL career
  • · Brad Richards: 1 game from 800th NHL career
  • · Michael Sauer: 2 games from 100th NHL career


  • · Marc Staal (concussion, IR on 10/5) – 27
  • · Mike Rupp (knee, 10/24) – 20
  • · Wojtek Wolski (groin, 11/3) – 16
  • · Michael Sauer (concussion, 12/5) – 3

Total Man-Games Lost: 75


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  1. Tyson Chandler! Caber is also on the Knickerbockers! Playing small (slow) forward! They signed him because of the success of Glen “Big Baby” Davis up in Bahston a/k/a Boston.

    Why are you awake, ORR?

  2. The bigger question today is wether MSG will bump the Rangers to MSG-2 to allow wall to wall coverage of Camello Anthony’s hyperextended knee.

  3. stranger nation on

    Brad Richards has tallied 20 points in the last 19 games, with 12 points in the last nine
    · Derek Stepan has tallied 19 points in the last 19 contests, with eight points in the last six
    · Artem Anisimov has tallied 15 points in the last 16 games, with seven points in the last six
    · Marian Gaborik has tallied 21 points in the last 20 games, with eight points in the last seven
    · Ryan Callahan has tallied 10 points (four goals, six assists) in the last nine

    Dubi has tallied 1 goal in his last 27 games

  4. Good one, Anthony! I hope they don’t fire him. He probably has a family at home. And right before Christmas? Ouch.

  5. My favorite tidbit from the pregame notes…

    “The Rangers are 7-0-0 all-time in games when Brandon Prust is assessed a fighting major in the opening two minutes”

    And good testimony to Gaborik’s consistency…he is 2 goals away from 300…and 2 assists from 300.

  6. Fat Guy in A Little Coat on

    Wow – all this newfound offense is an embarrassment of riches.

    I call Prust-Ott will duke it out within the first 10 minutes of the game

  7. And of course my new favourite:

    Steve Eminger; 2 Goals

    Brandon Dubinsky; 1 Goal

    But remember, Dubinsky scores goals in “bunches”

  8. Everybody but Dublowsky is finding their game. Yeah, the same can be said aboot Boyle, but Dublowsky is much more offensive than Boyle is.

    Dublowsky really adds nothing but defense. It’s sickening! Bench him, Torts! Fuggin do it already! 1 goal in 27 games is unacceptable for a guy of his talent, and who is in his 4th or 5th season.

  9. Ok – Here is my attempt at a great discussion topic for the day. Two Questions:

    *1.* Who is the greatest American Born Hockey Player (No Brett Hull Types) of all time?

    *2.* Who is the greatest American Born Hockey Player currently playing in the NHL?

  10. Brad Richards is playing his 800th game tonight. Against his former team. Hmmmm….I’m glad I’m at MSG tonight.

  11. Dominic Moore, Daniel Carcillo, Roman Horak, Adam Larsson, Vladimir Sobotka, Jamie Langenbrunner, Stephane Robidas, Nikolai Kulemin, Sidney Crosby, C Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Fedor Tyutin, Joe Corvo, Jared Spurgeon, Kevin Bieksa, Christian Ehrhoff, Michael Del Zotto, Dan Hamhuis, Mark Streit, Nick Leddy, Sergei Gonchar, Blake Wheeler, Duncan Keith, Brian Campbell, Erik Karlsson, Derek Smith, Jack Hillen, Jonathon Blum, Derick Brassard, Nate Thompson, Dustin Penner, Lennart Petrell, Jared Cowen, Bobby Butler, Andrew Desjardins, Tyler Myers, Brandon Prust, Ryan Shannon, Alex Goligoski, Justin Abdelkader, Jack Skille, Matthew Lombardi, Brett Clark, Niklas Hagman, Richard Park, Manny Malhotra, Aaron Johnson, Trevor Daley, Jesse Winchester, Andrej Meszaros, Raphael Diaz, Josh Bailey, Corey Potter, Drew Doughty, Lars Eller, Brian Boyle, Gregory Campbell, Brad Boyes, Jarret Stoll, Filip Kuba, Jeff Halpern, Andrew Ference, Michal Handzus, Arron Asham, Jay Harrison, Evgeni Dadonov, Paul Byron, Patrick Kaleta, Alec Martinez, Chris Porter, Scott Parse, Marcel Goc, Marco Sturm, Ben Eager, Bruno Gervais, Patrick O’Sullivan, Andrew Gordon, Tom Pyatt, Mikael Backlund, Ryan Carter, Stefan Elliott, David Ullstrom, Casey Wellman, C Dale Weise, Victor Hedman, Zenon Konopka, Ladislav Smid, Steve Eminger, Kent Huskins, Jamal Mayers, Brooks Orpik, Ed Jovanovski, Shawn Thornton, Joakim Lindstrom, Milan Jurcina: *2 Goals*

    Brandon Dubinsky: 1 Goal

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  13. stranger nation on

    Dubi needs to take a seat now – interpreting Torts’ comments on not leaving him with BRich/CaptCally in the last game – someone wasn’t playing both ends of the ice or making ‘smart choices’. He seems lost out there.

    We have 5 out of out top 6 forwards scoring – Dubi has one (secondary) assist in the last 5 games – the pass up to MDZ on the now infamous Artie Oakley SH go ahead in Bolts game. The team has scored 18 goals – jeesh.

  14. Thanks ilb. I was just about to bring it up again. I think that’s BS. If Richards didn’t want to be dealt to the Rangers at the trade deadline it’s because he didn’t want to be dealt ANYwhere at the deadline since he was going UFA.

  15. Am I the only one feeling nostalgic today after seeing Bill Berg and Nick Sundstrom mentioned in todays post?

    Best Rangers line of the late 90s: Robitaille-Gretzky-Sundstrom!

  16. Ah, SNYRangersblog. Is Adam still ripping off other writers material?

    Or is he still trying to convince his 5 daily readers that he has a shot glass worth of hockey knowledge?

  17. Or was it Verbeek-Messier-Graves?….perhaps it was Hlavac-Nedved-Devorak? Or could it be York-Lindros-Fleury? Oh oh! or just any line Pavel Bure played on while he was in NY…for the 9 games he played in…?

  18. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Yes, Dubinsky is taking the year off, but what the puck is MANAGEMENT doing about it, besides blaming Avery? This is nuts, Avery wants to play and contribute, and did so in limited time. So the coach hates him. Dubinsky is the new pizza parlor king, just taking the season off, just going through the motions, and he dresses (“dress” being the operative word”) for every game.

    OK, coach, you cut back his minutes, that didn’t work. You relegated him to a lower line, that didn’t work. Now how about either giving him a rocking chair view of the games from upstairs, or trading him, or giving him away, or firing him, or emasculating his game, sort of like “The Avery Treatment,” if you get my drift.

    Dubinsky is on pace to score 3 (!) goals all season, and this is acceptable to a now contending team? Why is it the fans are always ahead of the curve, and management is always pulling a Rip Van Winkle when it comes to acting upon what is going on? Erixon is young, made some mistakes, dump him and kill his confidence after a handful of games instead of letting him go through the growing pains. Dubinsky has no excuse on earth for default performance, so we coddle him and keep him around forever. If Dubinsky were a rookie he would be out on his ass.

    Rupp won’t replace Dubinsky, that much is guaranteed. Damned if the ghost – and the curse – of Dreary isn’t alive and well. We just have to carry a non-contributor for the duration, every year. It says so in Slat’s playbook.

  19. Good Answers, Fran. What about Pat LaFontaine though? Injuries aside, guy was a BEAST.

    And for best American Born player in the game…Parise? Timmy Thomas? Jonathan Quick?

  20. @AGrossRecord@ No lineup changes for Rangers tonight. Lundqvist in goal. Christensen in, *Avery out.*


    Go ahead and panic guys.

  21. That assist that Christensen had where he banked the puck off of the post to Anisimov was highlight reel crazy.

    Definitely deserves to play until at least the All Star break. Actually, come to think of it, he’ll probably play in the A.S. game.

  22. i remember seeing Gretz & Sundstrom play together against the Blackhawks in ’99 (Ulf Samuelsson’s 1000th game silver stick presentation night) – bit of a let down after all the pre-game stuff, lost 3-1.
    Team sheet included Schneider, Maclean, Gravey, Savard, Kevin Stevens, Nedved, Malhotra, Leetch, Knuble, Beuk, Richter and Chicago dressed Amonte, Chelios, Probert, Gilmour and Thibault in goal

  23. I wish Swede, in the office, as usual, just a bit busy and missed the tweet from Carp announcing the new post!
    Thanks to James feeling nostalgic about the EA Sports years and pre-salary cap era!

  24. Doodie Machetto on

    Howdy folks. Been a busy Machetto.


    Best all time: Frank Brimsek.
    Best Today: Phil Kessel, but I think Patrick Kane is right behind him.

  25. Kessel and Patrick Kane are DEFINITELY in the top 3 discussion for playing today. I thought this was such a fun topic.

    I have had a bunch of friends mention Ryan Miller – ummmmmm, no? Jimmy Howard?

  26. Doodie Machetto on

    Neither of those guys to me. A couple of years ago I would’ve said Miller, but he has started to decline since that Vezina season.

    I’d put Jonathan Quick over both of those guys.

  27. Me too. I think Quick is much better than Miller now. Quick might be the best American goaltender playing right now in the NHL. He’s been terrific but so has Timmy Thomas. I assume people like Miller as the “American” because of the Olympics. Man, the Sabres goaltending situation is tough, eh?

  28. Doodie Machetto on

    There are some good American players right now, no question.

    At forward, I’d say Kessel, Kane, and Parise are 1-3. You can put them in any order and I’d be OK with it. Everybody else is on a lower tier than them, but the second is very deep (Callahan, Kesler, Pavelski, Ryan, Paccioretty, that kid Smith in Nashville, etc.)

    At goaltender, I’d say Quick, Thomas, and Miller, in that order. Corey Schneider is knocking at the door.

    At defense, I’d say Suter by a lot, then Carlson by a lot, then probably Jack Johnson, but there are a lot of guys (Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Goligoski, Keith Yandle, the remains of Erik Johnson’s once promising career) that are all right there.

  29. stranger nation on

    Barry – that was a pretty pass by EC off the post to AA – maybe a SO tonight as Torts has the crystal ball out… The HBO cameras and Aves/Torts drama are made for each other.

    Dubi should notice how Artie is scoring by being in front of the goal basically in the crease. Dubi doesn’t score, take body, play good defense, etc., etc., etc…

  30. stranger nation on

    Dubi should de-activate the twitter account until he reaches goal #10. He should be tweeting, “Tired after staying late at practice and practicing shooting”

  31. That seems to me like the list Doodie. I can’t think of anyone to add or subtract (not like I could possibly know more about Hockey than you). Nice job.

  32. stranger nation, Dubinsky’s gonna have a hard time scoring when his stick aint on the ice………and he’s behind the net…………with his back towards the goalie.

  33. Doodie Machetto on

    I also didn’t mean to brush over Jimmy Howard, but I think he is the beneficiary of playing for Detroit more than a good goaltender.

  34. Speaking of, Doodie. These last few weeks I have been doing Document Production in my office. Again, I do Environmental Litigation so it’s a massive amount of paper. I have reviewed 2 productions for privilege, redactions and eventual production. First Subpoena returned 19,000 Pages of Documents or 11 File Boxes. Second was 6,000 pages or 2 file boxes. HELP

  35. Love that thread about American born players. Kudos Manny.

    Right now, I’d have to agree Kane, Kessel and Parise are 1-3 however you wanna rank em. But, especially up front, there are a ton of really good to very good players. Pominiville, Craig Smith in Nashville, Kesler, Pavelski, Future Team USA Captain Cally, The Jersey boys Bobby Ryan and JVR. Stepan is getting there. Paul Stastny.

    On defense, with the loss of Chelios and Leetch there are not as many elite D as in the past but Ryan Suter (doing his uncle proud), John Carlson, Byfuglien (if you can count him as a dman), Yandle is excellent and unknown in PHX. McDonagh is growing. Fowler is ok.

    As for goalie, obviously Miller and Thomas are elite. Quick is good. Corey Schneider is going to good as well.

  36. The other funny part of this topic is the complaints in Canada when Team USA beat them in the WJHC for the gold a couple of years ago that because a bunch of Canadian born players were on American NHL teams and therefore their children were born in US and got to play for them (Parise, Phillip McRae, Foligno to name a few.)

  37. Thanks for joining in, HWirth!

    We are getting jinxed, NYR. ESPN put us at #2 and claimed we were in the running for the President’s.

  38. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I don’t know what to think about benching Dubi. Not sure I agree with my brother in arms – Boom Boom (a poster I respect a lot) . I really liked the Prust/Avery/Dubi (pad) line. While I wish Avery was in the lineup, wins are what matter. I know the pro-Avery haters have their reasons for wanting him gone, but what irks me more than anything is how unfairly, IMO, he is being treated. Believe when I say, I would voice my support for any ranger player that was getting the shaft by management. As part of my libra nature, the most powerful sign in the zodiac, I have a strong sense of fairness and the lack thereof. I just don’t think Avery has been treated right. That said, LGR!!!

  39. stranger nation on

    Dustin Brown has to be on the USA list – does not score goals the others noted do, but he brings an intensity and hustle – similar to Cally but more bulk and speed – both from Western NY.

  40. Good afternoon, Sally!

    I thought the FLY line played in the 2000s. Actually, I’m sure of it, since Glen Sather was hired in 2000 and he brought in Lindros.

  41. Doodie Machetto on

    stranger, I’d put Brown in that second tier with Callahan, absolutely. But I think he just hasn’t been as effective this year as in year’s past.

    Carp, care for a pregame Club Soda (can you still buy club soda in the World’s Most Under Construction Arena?)

  42. Doodie, I believe I’ll be meeting up with ilb and CCCP during warmups, at the top of the steps between 110 and 111. Care to join us there around 6:30?

    Don’t bother with the $6 club soda. I can get a free one in the press room. but thanks. ;)

  43. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ranger 5
    Stars 1

    GWG Avery (even from the press box, he is that good)

    SOG rangers 32
    Stars 24

    Three stars:

    1. Avery
    2. Mdz
    3. Steppenwolf

  44. Doodie Machetto on

    ilb, 5 is too early for me. I can’t even get out of work until 6. But I will definitely meet the three of you during warm ups. I’ll try and drag my brother there also.

  45. Doodie Machetto on

    I got screwed for the Winter Classic this year! My ticket group got tickets to the game. Every year, it’s on Jan 1. Except this year. Had to be on Jan 2 because of the NFL. Jan 2 is my wedding anniversary. No Winter Classic for Doodie.

  46. Didn’t realize Devo was coming to town with Stars.

    He managed to scratch out a 15-yr. career despite just one! season of 20 or more goals (31 with us in 2000-01).

    Good for him, always liked him.

  47. Ria( the silent bonehead) on

    3cp if you see Brooks at the game tonight tell him not to steal our nicknames for the players ( Richie Rich) he used it in his article that ilb posted .

  48. While I’m on the subject, let’s someone call it what it is;

    Brooks thinks in Avery, he has a populist issue with which to bash Tortorella over the head with.

    And it REEKS of unprofessionalism.

    And I’m not Torts biggest fan.

  49. And it REEKS of unprofessionalism.

    Why is that Rod? He is in the business to sell papers, and if it is a popular issue, why not go with it?

    I don’t care one way or the other, just asking why it has you so riled up.

  50. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Ricardo – you have my email… I thought I nailed that prediction. Having won tix to last weeks TB game, Should we meet up before it starts?

  51. Mister Delaware on

    “Why is that Rod? He is in the business to sell papers, and if it is a popular issue, why not go with it?”

    I’m in the pro Avery court but I’d agree with Rod here. Its up to Brooks(ie) whether to chose integrity or what he thinks sells, but I find it lame.

  52. say what you will about Dubinsky’s “talent,” but even with this poor start, he’s basically on pace to be exactly what he is: a 40-point forward. the guy has some edge and grit but he’s absolutely not in possession of a dazzling offensive skill set. the issue is that many Ranger fans, and, worse, Ranger management, seem to think he’s a dynamic player. it would be best everyone scaled back their expectations dramatically and he was handled like the third-liner he is.

  53. This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel bad for Sidney Crosby. It’s always sad when any player’s career is in jeopardy, but when it’s a megastar like Crosby, it’s even more sad. He could be one of the greatest to ever play the game, but may never have the chance.

    As it stands right now, there really isnt an Eastern team that is THAT much better, if at all, than the Rangers. And the Rangers havent had Marc Staal all year, have been without Sauer for several games, and have had no production from Dubinsky. The team has great depth. 2 goalies, and a healthy Biron should keep LQ fresher for the playoffs, if we make it to the playoffs. Defensive players have stepped in due to injury and helped the team win games. And our offense is balanced. Even our 4th liners are contributing to wins.

  54. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The ny post is the journalistic standard that all papers are compared to. Even the old grey lady herself understands this. Compared to the post, the nyt is a rag.

  55. I don’t think it’s unpopular, Tiki. I think everyone here feels bad for Sidney as a human being. It’s very sad.

    Pat LaFontaine also never had the chance. (GREAT American Born Player)

  56. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    Morning ILB and all!!

    best ranger forward line hands down no contest little ball of hate-mess-gravey…. (wish I could find a better quality link, sorry folks)

    best american player right now….hard to tell probably Rupp, Jack Johnson is my favorite though (looks so much like the big nasty when he skates it’s uncanny).

    all time…madano/leetch/chelios at this point?

    If the articles about brich are correct, kudos to him for thinking ahead! Anyone think iggy would look great in a rangers sweater?

  57. This took a lot of time so I want to post it again:


    Dominic Moore, Daniel Carcillo, Roman Horak, Adam Larsson, Vladimir Sobotka, Jamie Langenbrunner, Stephane Robidas, Nikolai Kulemin, Sidney Crosby, C Marc-Edouard Vlasic, Fedor Tyutin, Joe Corvo, Jared Spurgeon, Kevin Bieksa, Christian Ehrhoff, Michael Del Zotto, Dan Hamhuis, Mark Streit, Nick Leddy, Sergei Gonchar, Blake Wheeler, Duncan Keith, Brian Campbell, Erik Karlsson, Derek Smith, Jack Hillen, Jonathon Blum, Derick Brassard, Nate Thompson, Dustin Penner, Lennart Petrell, Jared Cowen, Bobby Butler, Andrew Desjardins, Tyler Myers, Brandon Prust, Ryan Shannon, Alex Goligoski, Justin Abdelkader, Jack Skille, Matthew Lombardi, Brett Clark, Niklas Hagman, Richard Park, Manny Malhotra, Aaron Johnson, Trevor Daley, Jesse Winchester, Andrej Meszaros, Raphael Diaz, Josh Bailey, Corey Potter, Drew Doughty, Lars Eller, Brian Boyle, Gregory Campbell, Brad Boyes, Jarret Stoll, Filip Kuba, Jeff Halpern, Andrew Ference, Michal Handzus, Arron Asham, Jay Harrison, Evgeni Dadonov, Paul Byron, Patrick Kaleta, Alec Martinez, Chris Porter, Scott Parse, Marcel Goc, Marco Sturm, Ben Eager, Bruno Gervais, Patrick O’Sullivan, Andrew Gordon, Tom Pyatt, Mikael Backlund, Ryan Carter, Stefan Elliott, David Ullstrom, Casey Wellman, C Dale Weise, Victor Hedman, Zenon Konopka, Ladislav Smid, Steve Eminger, Kent Huskins, Jamal Mayers, Brooks Orpik, Ed Jovanovski, Shawn Thornton, Joakim Lindstrom, Milan Jurcina

    Brandon Dubinsky: 1 Goal

  58. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    aside from players we currently have on our roster (and sid obviously, concussion issues aside) there are at least a half dozen players on that list I would rather have than VV2

  59. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    I’m so worried about Mike Sauer….we cannot afford to lose this guy for the rest of the season…

    There are conflicting reports about Zucca….No announcement from CT or the Rangers yet…Gernander said they are monitoring him daily….lower body injury….

  60. With the Phlyers losing Giroux…we are in good shape to make a little run here and take over some ground from them. Cushion for later.

  61. Wow! Awesome, Tony. Ill be sure to be on my best behavior, which means only five hundred comments about boston! LOL

  62. She sometimes takes a little pack of mayonnaise and she’ll squirt it in her mouth all over. And then she’ll take an egg and kind of…mmmm! She calls it a ‘mayon-egg.’ Are you okay?

  63. Yea, I agree, not hearing anything about Sauer worries me. Why do I have the feeling Sauer is gone for the season.

  64. Manny, I was thinking it may have been easier and your list may be shorter if you showed players who scored less goals than Dubustky. lol

  65. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The hit on Sauer was the worst I’ve seen since Chara’s hit on Lil PAC man last season. I think sauer and staal are done this year, and sadly, one tiny bump on the noodle away from a permanent vacation away from the game. Very sad.

  66. Tony! Yay! I will also try to behave. We still don’t know where we’re all watching the game, right? Either we find a place that will let in kids, or Brittany and Tiny Tony will need some really good fake IDs.

  67. Did you guys hear about this Islanders prospect that was arrested and dismissed from the BU Hockey team?


    “The starting center on the BU men’s ice hockey team was arrested Sunday night and charged with three counts of indecent assault and battery after he allegedly entered the room of a female student and attempted to kiss and grope her.”

    Corey Trivino (MET’12), the leading scorer in Hockey East, was also charged with two counts of breaking and entering in the nighttime and one count of assault with attempt to rape.

  68. Now Claude Giroux is out with a concussion? This is insane! This league is on the fast track to having hits taken out of the game at this rate. How would it look if Staal/Sauer, Crosby, Giroux and Pronger all have to sit out the rest of the year or longer because of concussions? What if all of their careers are over? How many people are going to honestly say “well, it’s unfortunate but it’s how the game is played”?

  69. Doodie Machetto on

    BTW folks, if you’re a betting type, the Rangers have been great at home. Dallas is only .500 on the road. Dallas is starting a rookie netminder in his 2nd NHL start. I will be at this game.

    Definite Rangers loss.

  70. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Not sure if this has been discussed, but Torts didnt do Staal any favors playing him 25+ minutes in last year’s playoffs. Anyone else remember staal bumbling and stumbling on his skates that series? Especially in games 1 and 4? I thought at the time it was odd to see him skating like a beginner. Perhaps, the dizzy spells had begun. In any event, if he is able to come back – one jarring check he gives or gets and it’s curtains.

  71. “Why is it the fans are always ahead of the curve”

    I have to laugh at that one. Fans are masterful at jumping from one moving bandwagon to the next. They do it with stuntman-like skill. They aren’t accountable so they can make all the rash decisions they want and just follow it up with the old stand by “never so happy to be wrong”, on a player they would have traded 1 month earlier.

  72. No way, Tony! The kids have to come. I need to influence the future of America against boston haha!

    No idea where we’re watching, but also Linda Fozzy is gonna come.

  73. Tony, we will for sure find a place they can get into, one way or another! I will try to behave just the right amount then… this is about HOCKEY after all…

  74. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    Brutha eddie, sadly, I believe you are correct about Stahl and Sour.

    Terribly sad to think about. Hockey needs to fix this….

  75. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Simmons called Giroux a drama queen for acting the way did after kneeing him in the head.

  76. Ill talk to Laurel. She works January 1, so we’ll see. But I agree, we def have to get together early. There’s probably gonna be more bonehead additions as we get closer to the game.

  77. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    My brutha – from an engineering perspective better head gear lies ahead… But the brain rattling around in the skull is a tough nut. Hard to put some extra liquid gel around the skull prevent brain from pinballing around inside it. These guys are bigger, stronger, faster and it’s a matter of simple physics. Scaling back on the equipment, other than the head, is a must… Players need to wear less around the elbows and shoulders… It may help …

  78. I’d be curious to hear from players from previous generations whether concussions were part of the norm or if this is actually a true rise of head injuries due to increased size and speed. Has anyone heard of any comments on that? Not including fighting.

  79. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    One thing is for sure – something needs to be done. The rate of concussions is increasing at a nasty rate. And, unlike ankle, knees, shoulder etc, injuries – not sure if the head ever really recovers to pre-concussion levels.

  80. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    I think redesigning equipment is definitely a start…

    I also think that the culture has to change. What happened to fear and respect among players? It seems those two human elements have disappeared….This isn’t WWF/WWE acting, these are real people hurting each other…

  81. Jlone2Bubblehead on

    in order to minimize the number of injuries to the head, the NHL has proposed the following solutions to be used separately or concurrently.
    1. Teams will play full strength 4 vs 4 in periods 1,2&3. Overtime will be 3 vs 3 for 5 minutes. followed by a minimum of 5 rounds of a shootout based decision.
    2. North American Hockey will admit they were wrong to the world and start playing on the -europans- European sized ice rink. The NHL will reinstitute the 2 line pass rule in order to slow the pace down to a geriatric crawl thus negating the need to implement a speed limit for players while on the ice.
    3. Ice is hard so we will be replacing it with a softer high density compression foam. Ice Skates will be replaced with inline skates and instead of sweaters we will be implementing team colored tutu’s and straw hats.
    4. Team Mascots will be reassessed for menacing and aggressive qualities. Those types of images are no longer welcome in the nhl. Two examples of acceptable macots are Double Rainbow Guy or the I Love Cats Girl.

  82. If Concussions are a huge problem I am sure the easiest solution is to pour money into helmet design.

  83. I think alot of the concussion “epidemic” is just teams being EXTREMELY careful with players ever since the Sidney Crosby drama of the last calender year.

    Not that brain injuries are anything to laugh at, and as Rangers fans we all know first-hand the effects (LaFontaine, Richter, Beukeboom, Staal)

    But I do wonder how much of this is based on the overload of talk about the subject. I’ll use a Seinfeld reference (works for this board)

    George watches a show on heart attacks the night before and is convinced he’s having one the next day. Of course, Jerry calls him out on it.

    So a player takes a shot to the noggin, feels a little woozy…instantly it’s a “concussion” and we gotta shut him down and do tests and watch out for the symptoms…yadda, yadda, yadda…

    Where as in the old days…a player might just say “Got my bell rung, gonna be a little woozy next few days” and get on with it.

    Just playing devils advocate. I DO think the body armor equipment players wear these days has as much to do with it as anything.

    That being said…looking forward to the game tonight. :-)

  84. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    Jlone, thanks for that. Amazing. Do you work for the NHL? Because, you should….

  85. Maybe we can institute “orange no-contact” jerseys in actual games?

    Seriously – helmet design. Make it better.

  86. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Chris – Neil smith said back in the day, collisions were like shopping carts tapping one another and now it’s like full on car crashes.

  87. stranger nation on

    Bigger sheet is needed – still have the hitting but a little less board work and more space for skillz….

  88. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Manny – to an extent, as I mentioned earlier helmet design can improve, but the brain jarring inside the skull is a problem the best head gear in the world isn’t going to solve.

    CJ – headaches and dizzy spells are symptoms that are beyond ” the let’s be careful about this” you are suggesting. I don’t think concussions are this month flavor of the month. I think it’s real and not overblown.

  89. I agree with expanding the ice size. I am ok with that idea. I would also love to see the linesmen taken OFF the ice entirely since they can do their job from above the arena.

  90. Eddie – we should invent INTERNAL helmets that can be implanted and protect from inside. Like Shocks.

  91. Manny- Think of the brain being a watermelon on the front seat of your car(skull). The car must come to a gradual stop or damage is done. Something protecting the exterior of the car doesn’t necessarily prevent this. I think that’s somewhat accurate, if not at least I’ve come up with my silly analogy for the day.

  92. That’s good, dde. I mean you’re right. You guys are all correct. Thus my internal helmet idea.

  93. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    One idea would be for the players to wear motorcycle helmets. It will affect vision, slowing the game down, but less head injuries will result.

  94. “Speaking of, Doodie. These last few weeks I have been doing Document Production in my office. Again, I do Environmental Litigation so it’s a massive amount of paper. I have reviewed 2 productions for privilege, redactions and eventual production. First Subpoena returned 19,000 Pages of Documents or 11 File Boxes. Second was 6,000 pages or 2 file boxes. HELP”

    Isn’t that ironic, as that Canadianette would say? I know nothing of the legal system, but that seems like a lot of paper “environmental litigation.”

  95. You may have something with the internal helmet idea, although we may need a way to shrink the brain to accommodate it. hmm.. aha Television!

  96. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Manny – or several layers of gel could be surgically implanted to cushion the brain. The down side of course, is that everyone will have craniums the size of Bobby Holik’s noodle.

  97. Well Neil Young, for example, has had some aneurysm issues and the solution was to put springs in his brain. So I know that the technology for brain springs (medical term) exists. All I have to do is convince the NHL that all players of the sport of hockey should be required to have invasive brain surgery, once their brain is fully developed of course, to install springs to cushion the impact and protect the brain from it’s skull that surrounds it.

    It’s true Latona. We do more harm than good!

  98. Fact is there is better helmet technology out there but players don’t use it because the manufacturer doesn’t pay players to wear their helmet (like Easton, Reebok and Bauer do). I had a rep tell me that some players (amazingly, even the multi-millionaires) will use equipment they don’t really like, just to get the per game $$$ for wearing the logo, which for most players is chump change.

  99. stranger nation on

    Brain Springs – Neil Young is from Canada – it should work for hockey players too – perfect!

  100. #1 overall pick John Tavares has 1 goal in his last 16 games, went 13 straight games without a goal
    Nikolai Kulemin scored 30 goals last year, 0 goals in his last 22 games
    Last year Rick Nash had goalless streaks of 6, 8, 11 games; ended season with 32 goals
    Mark Messier had a 23-game goalless streak in 1993-94

    Carcillo happens.

    Dubi has more assists than he did after the same number of games last year. I still say he gets 20 goals this year.

  101. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    Obstruction should be allowed in the defencive zones

    fighting should stay in the game

    medical diagnosis is way better today, but there is definitely some knee jerk involved

    shoulder and elbow pads should be less rigid (think shanny’s shoulder pads). Game will change on this one, far less blocked shots will eventually be the norm and broken bones will be a bit more prevalent initially.

    Mouthpieces should be mandatory, period!

    The messier helmet seems a bit better, maybe it should be expanded upon.

    I think, more than anything the rule changes to “open up” the game, in hindsight, have been more of a detriment to players health and are not an overall improvement in the product IMHO!

  102. wicky, I disagree about fighting. There really shouldnt be a roster spot per team devoted to a guy who only can fight. Look at from this perspective, maybe the 3 NHL fighters who recently lost their lives, including Boog, could possibly still have their lives. And there are countless others in all sports. Boxers usually end up with long-term health issues. And they fight maybe twice a year. The NHL is already a fun sport without players getting into essentially, boxing matches every few games, and sometimes hitting their head on the ice during or after fights.

  103. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    As I recall, Okposo also got Phaneufed pretty badly in the preseason last year or the year before…

  104. On the way to the city…meeting ilb at 5pm for a beer at flying puck and the for some great Rangers hockey! My first game of the season in new garden!


  105. eddie eddie eddie on

    bring back the red line…is there a correlation between concussions and the now legal 2 line pass?

  106. Doody

    Ever see Brimsek play? He was the Blackhawks Goaltender the year I spent in Chicago (1951)…He was good during a period of very good goalies and he was very good in the nets….but he played during a period when most Goaltenders were Canadians
    Bill Durnan ( ambidextrous ) Montreal,Harry Lumley ( Detroit)
    Turk Broda (Leafs), Chuck Raynor Rangers, Jim Henry
    Bruins…and THAT was the league. This was when it was almost impossible for an American to make it to the NHL.

  107. “I don’t care one way or the other, just asking why it has you so riled up.”

    Number of things. First, I don’t think Brooks is right on the facts.
    Avery doesn’t deserve a regular shift on this team, IMO. That’s being generous. I would have bought him out years ago. Anyway…..

    Brooks dislike for the coach has him abusing his position to try to influence the public, and the issue is so minor in hockey terms and thus so obviously cherry-picked, because Brooks hears the few hundred drunkards in what used to be the blue seats (I know they’re blue once again) and thinks he has popular support, so he grew balls enough to attempt this player-championing, which I’ve never seen to this extent.

    And he’s trying to use his position and supposed support to interrupt and foul up the coach,
    who doesn’t deserve it and is freakin’ busy, and the team, which is pretty harmonious despite Avery playing or not! It’s bull.

  108. There might be, eddie. There is something to be said for allowing Obstruction and bringing back the two-line pass. It will certainly slow the game down.

  109. And they didn’t carry backups…if Lumley went down the
    trainer would finish for him.Emile Francis caddied for Raynor….to be followed later by Worsley.

  110. eddie eddie eddie on

    ….while the SO is going on…you could still have guys dropping their gloves off to side….in fact, add go go dancers in a cage at the blue line during SOs….the cages could be set up so the skaters would have to move around them like skiers and slalom gates….

  111. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    Not all teams dedicate a roster spot to “fighters” and boxers may only have a couple of fights a year, but they more than likely absorb more punches to the head in those two fights than NHL players do in a season.

    As far as hitting their heads on the ice, it is a risk that is taken if you play hockey. I have said all along the takedown in a fight (the WWE/UFC BS takedown) should be a 5 minute major and a game misconduct. IF two guys fall down during a fight that is one thing, but some of these takedowns where guys whip the other guy to the ice (especially when they are losing) is intent to injure IMHO!

    If you are losing a fight, turtle….or say I’m done. Tossing a guy to the ice like a ragdoll is just BS.

    I think boogey was tossed to the ice in his last fight and prust was tossed to the ice by komi and I’m pretty sure that is what caused his shoulder injury last season.

    Just speculating here.

  112. Doodie Machetto on


    unfortunately, I’ve only seen him in highlight reels and old time replays. He is way before my time. I can only really go by numbers and stories.

  113. eddie eddie eddie on

    Rod – aside from red wine and a bloody mary here there and everywhere, i nt drink…never get drunk…and i think Avery deserves a spot on this team….what about his play this year do you possibly have fault with?…please elaborate

  114. Jlone2Bubblehead on

    The speed and skill set of the opposition determines whether or not you can support a heavyweight goon. If you dont have a heavyweight goon on your roster then there is no one for their goon to fight thus making him obsolete. I think the pace and play of the game will negate all players on the roster for the sole purpose of enforcing. It is not going to take a fighting ban to do it. physical play and fighting is what defines hockey. I will never buy a ticket or pay to view any game in which players are not allowed to make contact. might as well watch tennis.
    lose the pads, wear the helmet, strengthen the penalties.

  115. Avery deserved a spot over Zuccarello? Never.
    The kid was generating 1/3 of their total scoring chances for a long stretch last year.

    Without going thru it point by point, Avery always has that ‘me first’ thing going, or so it seems on the ice. And everything about this club is team, team, team.
    It’s a total contrast to what they are and doesn’t fit.
    It’s an unnecessary distraction by a borderline 4th line player, and the coach obviously feels the same way. Which is why when Rupp gets back Saturday Avery is outta here.

    But I’m not trying to kill Avery. I give the guy major marks for forging a long career on limited talent. It’s Brooks trying to fatz with the team I can’t stand.

  116. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    I agree with the bubblehead. No way in hell I watch hockey or have the emotional investment in hockey if there is no fighting and no contact.

    That is absolutely what makes hockey so honourable and what it is today!

  117. NYR_FAN "Step-on the GAS!" on

    How about we punish the thugs who play with intent to injure?

    How about we celebrate skill and speed instead of making it the enemy? Open up the game more…

    How about only 2 refs on the ice? Less refs = less wrong calls….

    How about players respect each other and stop with the headshots?

    How about goons like Trevor Gillies get banned from the NHL?

    How about hockey evolves and moves away from neanderthal touch up icing?

    How about we make hockey equipment protective, instead of fashionable?

    What happened to be aware of going into the corner with your head on a swivel (not fishing for a PP)?

  118. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    while I disagree with you on the avery is always me first on the ice, I think avery is a very good ranger teammate, wouldn’t you also say to this point that MZA deserves to play over dubi as well?

  119. I agree with a bunch of those, NYR. Less Zebra’s on the ice is a necessity. Touch up icing has got to be done away with. Just has to. Have to improve equipment and maybe reduce some of it to protect heads instead of armoring other parts of the bodies.

  120. Wicky©"suspend the hittee..LW compliant version" on

    And of course, penalize and suspend the guy that puts himself in the vulnerable postions.

  121. Well, I’m afraid Dubi is entertaining thoughts of jumping off the G.W., and I’m really starting to feel for him.

    But sure, at this point you can make a strong argument Marty Biron deserves shifts at forward over Dubinsky.

  122. Oh hartnell. Was supposed to join ilb and C3, instead I’m stuck working and listening to somone’s sad and scary attempt to sing the song Breathe. Where’s AA and his stick maneuver when needed?!

  123. Jlone2Bubblehead on

    Avery is a very entertaining player for me to watch. I laugh at his antics and the response he gets from the opposition. Brooks uses words for a living to generate an emotional response. If Avery is not in the line up I laugh/smile less. If Brooks never writes another word, i wouldnt miss him. Neither one of those individuals is good enough for anyone to give so much attention to. HTFU people you dont know either of them. sit back and enjoy the show.

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