Mighty Ducks at Rangers tonight


Pre-game notes courtesy of the Rangers:

Thursday, Nov. 3, 7:00 p.m.
Madison Square Garden – New York, New York

Rangers: 4-3-3 (11 pts)
Ducks: 5-5-2 (12 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Nov. 1

The Rangers will face-off against the Anaheim Ducks at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in the first of three games in four days. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Atlantic Division standings, and 10th in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 4-3-3 (11 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the San Jose Sharks, 5-2, on Monday at Madison Square Garden, and have now registered at least one point in five of their last seven games (4-2-1). The Ducks enter the contest with a 5-5-2 (12 pts) record to rank 11th in the Western Conference, and have lost six of their last seven games (1-4-2). Following the contest, the Rangers will open a back-to-back home set when they face-off against the Montreal Canadiens on Saturday, Nov. 5, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in an Original Six match-up. New York will close out their six-game homestand on Sunday, Nov. 6, vs. the Winnipeg Jets (7:00 p.m.).

TV: MSG Network
6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Al Trautwig
7:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Ducks
Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter
Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio and newyorkrangers.com
6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
7:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Ducks
Broadcasters: Kenny Albert (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)


  • · All-Time: 9-13-1-1 overall (5-6-1-0 at home; 4-7-0-1 on the road)
  • · 2011-12: Tonight is the second and final meeting this season, and the only meeting at Madison Square Garden. New York is 0-0-1 thus far, following a 2-1 shootout loss on Oct. 8 at Stockholm, Sweden.
  • · Last Season: New York was 0-1-0 following a 5-2 loss against the Ducks on Mar. 9 at Anaheim. Brandon Dubinsky and Marian Gaborik each notched a goal, and Artem Anisimov, Ryan Callahan and Derek Stepan each tallied an assist. The Rangers were 1-3 (33.3%) on the power play.
  • · The Rangers have registered at least one point in seven of their last 10 meetings with the Ducks, posting a record of 6-3-1 over the span.
  • · New York has won each of their last two games vs. Anaheim at Madison Square Garden, on Jan. 20, 2009 (4-2) and Oct. 11, 2009 (3-0).
  • · New York ranks 28th with a 1-1-1 (3 pts) record at home; Anaheim is tied for 14th with a 2-3-2 (6 pts) mark on the road
  • · The Rangers have posted a 1-0-2 record vs. Pacific Division opponents; the Ducks are 1-0-0 vs. the Atlantic Division
  • · Henrik Lundqvist has posted a 2-2-1 record with a 2.57 GAA in five career regular season contests vs. Anaheim; Martin Biron is 8-0-0-1 with a 1.76 GAA and three shutouts in nine career regular season games vs. the Ducks
  • · Brad Richards leads the Rangers with 11 goals, 11 assists and 22 points in 23 career regular season contests vs. Anaheim; Marian Gaborik has tallied 16 points (eight goals, eight assists) in 25 games vs. the Ducks
  • · New York lists two former Ducks on their roster: Erik Christensen (2008-09 – 2009-10); Steve Eminger (2009-10)
  • · Anaheim lists no former Rangers on their roster


  • · Power Play: The Rangers tallied one goal in five power play opportunities (8:36) on Monday vs. San Jose, and are now 6-24 (25.0%) with the man advantage in the last six games. New York ranks 19th overall (6-40, 15.0%) and tied for fifth at home (3-12, 25.0%). The Rangers are 0-2 (1:05) in five-on-three situations (last – 10/22 at EDM), and 0-3 (2:04) when four-on-three (last – 10/27 vs. TOR). Shorthanded goals allowed (0).
  • · Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Sharks scoreless in three shorthanded situations (6:00) on Monday at Madison Square Garden, and are now 26-29 (89.7%) in the last seven games. New York is tied for sixth overall (42-48, 87.5%) and ranks sixth at home (10-11, 90.9%). The Rangers are 2-2 (0:44) in three-on-five situations (last – 10/15 at NYI), and 0-1 (1:17) when three-on-four (last – 10/7 at LAK). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/20 at CGY (Prust).
  • · Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation on Monday vs. San Jose. The Rangers are now plus-three in 19 four-on-four situations (32:56), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (0).

The Rangers completed their first of 14 back-to-back sets this season with a 2-1 shootout loss against the Anaheim Ducks on Oct. 8 at Ericsson Globe Arena. New York has posted a record of 0-0-1 (0-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 0-0-1 (0-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 21-8-3 in the back-end of back-to-back sets, including a 9-3-1 mark at MSG and 12-5-2 on the road over the span. The Rangers’ next back-to-back set is Nov. 5-6 vs. Montreal and Winnipeg, both games to be played at Madison Square Garden.

New York defensemen have accounted for 20.0% of the team’s scoring, which is tied for seventh in the league. Ranger blueliners have tallied five goals combined through 10 games to begin the season. Ryan McDonagh leads all Blueshirt defensemen and is tied for second among NHL blueliners with three goals.

The Rangers finished their season-opening seven-game road trip with a 3-2-2 mark. The trip set a new franchise record for longest stretch away from Madison Square Garden to begin a season, breaking the old record of five games set in 1952-53 and 1953-54. It was only the seventh time in franchise history that the Rangers had a road trip of seven games or longer at any point in the season – 1955-56 (4-4-1-0), 1959-60 (1-5-1-0), 1981-82 (5-1-2-0), 1984-85 (0-6-1-0), 1987-88 (4-2-1-0), and 1997-98 (2-3-2-0) – and the third time they posted a winning record on such a trip (1981-82, 1987-88). The Blueshirts opened their home schedule with a 4-2 loss on Oct. 27 vs. Toronto, their latest home opener since they opened the 1948-49 season on Oct. 27, 1948 (excluding the lockout-shortened 1994-95 season).

New York completed a four-game Western Canada road trip from Oct. 18-24 with a 3-1-0 record. The Rangers began the trip by defeating Vancouver (4-0) and Calgary (3-2, OT), marking the first time the team has won in those two cities in the same season since 1986-87. On Oct. 24, the Blueshirts visited Winnipeg for the first time since they faced the former Winnipeg Jets franchise on Nov. 17, 1995 (3-6). New York came away with a 2-1 victory, marking the first time they won in Winnipeg since Nov. 21, 1992 (5-4).

Defenseman Dan Girardi enters the contest ranked second in the NHL in average ice time, logging 27:57 per contest. He has logged 30:00+ of ice time twice this season, including a career-high 33:14 of ice time on Saturday vs. Ottawa.

New York has seen six new faces in their lineup during the 2011-12 season. The Rangers had three players make their Rangers debut in the team’s season opener on Oct. 7 against the Kings – Tim Erixon (NHL debut), Brad Richards (one assist) and Mike Rupp. In addition, defenseman Jeff Woywitka made his Rangers debut on Oct. 15 at Long Island, while defenseman Brendan Bell made his Blueshirts debut on Oct. 22 at Edmonton. Forward Andre Deveaux made his Rangers debut on Monday vs. San Jose, following his recall on Sunday.

The Rangers are currently 12 wins shy of 2,500 wins, having won 2,488 games all-time in franchise history.


  • · The Rangers are 6-24 (25.0%) with the man advantage in the last six games
  • · Ryan Callahan has tallied five points (four goals, one assist) in the last four games
  • · Dan Girardi has recorded five points (one goal, four assists) in the last four games
  • · Brad Richards has tallied four points (two goals, two assists) in the last two games
  • · Derek Stepan has registered a point in each of the last two games (one goal, one assist)
  • · Michael Del Zotto has posted a plus or even rating in each of the team’s 10 games this season
  • · Brandon Dubinsky has registered five assists in six games vs. Western Conference opponents


  • · Brian Boyle: 1 game from 200th NHL career
  • · Ryan Callahan: 6 games from 300th NHL career
  • · Steve Eminger: 9 points from 100th NHL career
  • · Wojtek Wolski: 2 games from 400th NHL career; 9 goals from 100th NHL career
  • · John Tortorella: 2 wins from 100th win as Rangers Head Coach


  • · Brad Richards: 500th career NHL assist (10/20 at CGY)


  • Marc Staal (concussion, IR on 10/5) – 10
  • Mike Rupp (knee, 10/24) – 3

Total Man-Games Lost: 22


  • Oct. 29 – Assigned forward Kris Newbury to Connecticut (AHL)
  • Oct. 29 – Assigned defenseman Tim Erixon to Connecticut (AHL)
  • Oct. 30 – Recalled forward Andre Deveaux from Connecticut (AHL)
  • Nov. 1 – Recalled forward Sean Avery from Connecticut (AHL)


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  1. Morning from across the Atlantic – 10am here, bacon roll and cup of tea in hand, might get to watch some live action tonight given the time difference is only 4 hours right now. BRING IT ON!

  2. Will this be the season that MSG becomes difficult to play in again? And i am not talking about the sleeping and/or texting fans. Win tonight, saturday and sunday on home ice. Win convincingly. Dominate shifts. Own the opposition. Force the 1% to get fired up!!!! Make MSG awesome by playing awesome. LGR!!!!!!

  3. “Torts”, the coach who changes lines more than he breathes, all of a sudden does not want to insert Avery into the lineup because he doesn’t want to change anything from the last game…?…draw your own conclusions; I’ve already drawn mine…

    “Torts” v. Avery—ongoing for 2+ years
    “Torts” v. half the fan base—hope all who attend games and support Avery remain loud
    “Torts” v. Sather—this one, “Torts” will lose…if in fact it was Sather who decided to recall Avery, and if in fact “Torts” is showing Sather that ‘no one tells me who to play/not to play’, I believe this may become a battle “Torts” wishes he did not choose to fight…

  4. LinCalPrustBoylahan on

    Morning ‘Heads and Happy Rangers Hockey Thursday!!

    did someone say bacon?
    Anyway, have a great day everyone and see ya @ go time!

  5. Called the power company…
    They told me power was turned on yesterday…
    I said I’ll hold my phone out the door so u can hear all the generators…
    Still no power…
    So they put in a new work order…

  6. Sorry to all you guys without power! That stinks.

    Is the flying-V still illegal? Bettman hates kids! He’s an egomaniac!

    Let’s go boys – follow up a good one with another good one. I mean, hey, if Bryzgalov can get a win?

  7. Avery v hitting the net, shot wide — ongoing for 2 + years
    Avery v the other half of the fan base— we see through all of his BS.
    Avery v the blue line, this one Avery always losses, always offside.

  8. Yeah bacon. Cooked some on my grill while the power was out. Yum! I feel for you Staal Wart, JUST got mine back this morning.. hope all without power get it real soon!
    I can see the boys play again!

  9. happy day to u too linda!! im sick, got the sniffles. only seeing avery will make me feel better. and torts wont let us see him. what a meanie-head

  10. Keys – You’re over-thinking all of this. Tortorella brought in Rupp to replace Avery. Rupp went down with a knee injury that was initially thought to be minor. Then word came that Rupp’s injury was much worse than expected and Torts rightly figured the next best guy for fourth line was Avery. He starts the recalling process for Avery, but can’t get him here in time. And besides, he wants a big body in against the man-beast Sharks. Deveaux taxis faster because he’s not subject to waivers. Deveaux plays well against the Sharks, and Torts decides to play the same hot hand that got him a win against the Ducks. It’s that simple. All these dramatics fans are suggesting are simply BS. Avery got a second chance because Rupp is going to be out for a month or more. If he doesn’t to the most with the 5 to 8 minutes he gets each game, he’ll be right back down in Hartford.

    Remember: This is the NHL, not Jersey Shore.

  11. wow phil- u mean thats all it comes down to? u mean torts doesnt have a deep rooted hatred of the saint avery?but what bout his avery voodoo doll? you know he is the one behind avery shoulder injury. will we ever win again if avery desnt play? will we sellout and fill the garden ever again without avery? will cccp ever coatcheck someone again? will bob ever build again? will olga and greg finally tie the knot? wat, it doesnt all depend on avery? well i got news for you buddy. it does!!

  12. Hey Grabby – sorry to hear about you being sick. I am also myself under the weather a bit. That was combined with a vicious hangover on Monday. Brutal. Last night I watched the film “Valhalla Rising” which no one seems to have seen and today I am in a trance state from it.

  13. That’s a great point about the VooDoo doll, Grabby. I totally forgot about that. Remember that video of Torts in the locker room stabbing the doll and then throwing it on the logo and then screaming, “SEAN GET OFF THE &*&%^#&#$& LOGO!” and then repeating the process. That was a disturbing video.

  14. Guys, I call ’em like I see ’em.

    Incidentally, I like Avery as a player and think he does have a spot here. But the fact that any other team could have taken him for $950,000 and didn’t certainly says a lot about his value as a player. Either that or it says a lot about his mouth. Or both. This could be his last season in the NHL if he doesn’t really turn things around in a major way.

  15. oh, lindzo- i got pics of bella from halloween. i’ll post them on fb soon. where tiki at? anyway? did carp ban him agin?

    hello sally-sweetcakes!!!

    or- u ever gona play nhl 12?

    cccp- good luck on your test buddy. ive been playin new batman game but i want a rematch soon ok. if orr is as good as u say he is, why dont we tag team against him? uhh, well, that didnt sound right. lets team up against him…btw orr, are u in wickys “frozen brains” league?

  16. $950K is about what Christensen makes, right? You think if Christensen was waived another team would take him at a quarter or half or whatever it is for him?

  17. manny-lol oh yea and whenever avery would get on the bench, torts would try to hide the voodoo doll by tossing it to sully on the other side, but everytime he did that, it would make avery slide to the end of the bench. weird.

  18. manny- i got swollen glands, congestion, the typical head cold. but ive been really tired and fatigued lately. its been pretty bad at work too. cant wait for weekend. anywy, see at gametime heads. off to work

  19. Good morning all! Sorry to hear about all you sick and powerless people.

    Carp, great audio yesterday. Now, can we get some video :)

    Dang, I am a bit deflated today, though.

  20. Manny – If I were GM, I’d have Christensen in the AHL faster than you could say Crusher. And I’d do it not caring about whether he’d get claimed by another team, so the thought of recalling him would be the last thing to cross my mind. But if you’re asking if there’s another GM out there who would take a stab at him for $475,000(which is about what I think he would be worth on recall), I’d say without a doubt. I don’t like the guy as a player, but when you think about him at that price, it’s a no-brainer. My bias against the guy aside, that’s probably why he’s with the team. The Rangers know once they send him down, he’s never coming back.

  21. True Blue Mike on

    Well, it’s now just a matter of time before Sean Avery is playing with Gaborik and Richards and i can’t even imagine how mad some of the people here are going to be! But look on the bright side, he can’t be much worse than anyone else that has played there, unless of course if he is offsides every time there on the ice.

  22. I agree – at $475K someone has to take a chance on him. That makes sense to me that they don’t want to lose him so he has to stay up here and be a scratch 30%-55% of the time. The last game is why. Hopefully he shows more of that but as we all know, he won’t. At least not for a while. Just enough to stay.

  23. More of a disappointment – Brian Boyle or Antropov?

    Flashes of talent and then…..and then….AND THEN….nothing for games at a time

  24. Brian Boyle is not, in any way, a disappointment. Big Rig! That kid can skate which you know was something he worked on. The way he looked on Monday night is the way we hope he can play every night. Big Rig is a solid player he just needs to learn to use his body more and play his size.

  25. Nice summary Phil, and I tend to agree, except for the HBO factor…I mean, as the Rodent has asked, how come the pro-Avery, anti-Torts bedsheet was flying for an entire period in an arena where the rent-a-cops typically crack down quickly on that type of activity..

  26. Manny – Obvioulsy Boyle can score a few goals, but we need more consistency out of him before we can crown him Tim Kerr or even Kris King. I’d like to see him play with more anger. He should be blowing up opposing centers nightly.

  27. Bacon rolls = Amazing.

    Breakfast of champions. Nothing like a bacon roll before a round of links golf in Scotland. Prust sayin’

  28. Klein – Antropov has strung together a couple real nice seasons for the Winnipeg Thrashers. Last year was a bit of a let down, but this year he’s back to a point-per-game. And he’s been doing it largely as a center. It kind of makes me wonder what would have happened if the Rangers had resigned him for that contract. The Rangers desperately needed a center. And they could have resigned him easily by forgoing on Brashear and Kotalik. Alas, what could have been.

    But to get to your question, I guess I’d say Boyle, since he was supposed to be the type of player Antropov has become. He looked like he was heading that way last year, but has since tucked back into a kind of defensive-fourth-liner role. Personally, I’d like a team with both of those guys on the ice. That’s some serious size up front.

  29. For all you powerless

    My sainted daughter is an exec with the power company and she’s STILL sleeping wearing two coats and an ALaskan dog musher;s hat.
    btw for all you detail fans, where did the name MUSH come from for moving a dog sled? ( If you know, keep it quiet for a while and let the unknowns find out ( don’t look it up.)

  30. True Blue Mike,
    I was getting worried there for a while, nobody had put Avery on the first line yet, but then you came through. thanks.

  31. morning ILB and all!!

    I’ve seen the movie!

    and ladies and gentlemen..optimum sucks with NHL coverage so it is gone and welcome back Direct TV and MSG!!!!

  32. grabby
    feel better bro!!

    going in early to avoid the same fate as “lunch boy”?

    morning sallycrepes!!

    first day back to work today after the dental work….booo!!

  33. manny
    going in early to avoid the same fate as “lunch boy”?

    Hahaha. Good one wick. I am usually in the office before 8:30! I hope my position is safer than lunch boy. My boss is coming to my wedding ceremony so I guess I am safe at least until that is over.

    Valhalla – that movie was wild – I kept expecting stuff to happen and then it didn’t. Since I watched it in bed after midnight, the lack of sleep helped with the acid trip feel of the film and I really, really enjoyed the artistry of it all. And the blood.

    For those of you who missed this yesterday – I think the Rangers should sign one of these dudes (unless the ^hobbit wizard^ has some amazing axe skill in which case call him up and arm him immediately) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8kuLPjfPpo

  34. Phil—I’m not sure why you would believe him, but you appear to be buying what “Torts” is selling re: Rupp/Avery—did you also believe “Torts” when Avery was sent down and “Torts” said ‘there are better hockey players here than Sean”—I sure hope you didn’t…I think Slats called up Avery because he believes Avery brings more to the table than several players currently on the roster…so let’s you and I agree to disagree.

    “Torts” supporters: what exactly has the great John Tortorella accomplished as HC-NYR…help me understand why you are so pro-“Torts”…and please don’t bother with ‘he’s better than Renney’…

  35. …new poster here…I have no idea why there’s a line through the text of my last post…guess my tenure here will be brief…

  36. Rupp has a bum knee. So, now we need an NHL-caliber fourth liner. That’s the only reason Avery is here. It’s a hockey decision. Just like it was hockey decision when he was sent down.

  37. manny
    glad your job is safe, still haven’t had my interview yet…

    pretty sure that whole movie took place in hell

  38. Keys – that happens when you put a “dash(-)” before and after what you type

    -mistakes happen-

    Don’t be a stranger!

  39. Jstone – maybe. I guess we’ll see if Avery is even here when HBO starts filming. For all the flaws I see in Tortorella, I still don’t see him as a coach who would stand for any theatrical BS. Rodent’s rant seems a bit theatrical. Why were the banners left up so long? Well, probably because security had its hands full on the first night the Garden was open for business. Besides, as much as producers really tried to create a story line with the Capitals and Penguins, it really didn’t look like they were scripting much. I’d be astounded if the Rangers were even remotely bowing to the demands of a film crew instead of the demands of the owner. And as much as I want to say Dolan doesn’t care about the Rangers, he does care about the revenue he’ll get from a playoff or cup run.

  40. wick, it’s kind of true. Rotter is a good kid but he is kind of a troll. He just posts links to other people’s stuff (before others jump on it) and rarely says where’s it coming from. Not cool.

  41. NickPerri_SNYRB NickPerri
    Whale have a plethora of d-men right now. No surprise Baldwin was the odd-man out to Greenville.

    guess that answered that question

    thanks for the insight!

  42. For the record:

    I believe Dolan is the worst owner in sports history
    I believe Sather has proven to be well below average, at best, in his tenure as GM-NYR

    I wish both of the above were long gone, but do not believe that’s going to happen any time soon, unfortunately, so I do not believe NYR will consistently compete for the Stanley Cup any time soon…the “holy grail” of success for Dolan and Sather is making the playoffs.

    As for “Torts”, I am not a fan…I believe he is a miserable person at the core, and, as HC-NYR has done a below average job…however, I also believe that changing the coach is possible, and believe that the sooner NYR rid themselves of this loathsome human being, the better off the team will be, on and off the ice.

  43. Is there anyone who is an Avery fan and wants the coach fired who holds that view without also thinking that the coach is a loathsome individual, an egomaniacal bully, a clueless ratface etc etc?

    Is that the holy grail?

  44. Keys you are going to fit in quite well around here….

    I, however, like Torts and think changing the coach would be disasterous for the team. Again, I think this team over-achieved last year thanks to a couple key losses by other teams and thanks to the Lightning playing hard for no reason other than their friendship with Torts. Over-Achieving is more than you can expect of any coach.

    Let’s be realistic – the only way to judge coaches against each other would be to give them all identical teams and conditions and see who comes out on top. The only way to do that would be for someone (wink wink, ORR) to wake up and set it up in NHL2K12 or whatever it’s called these days and make it happen through the computer program.

  45. Keys – For the record, I’m not a fan of Tortorella at all and I didn’t agree with his decision to send him down(I think I even posted as such here). But when you take the fan emotions out of the equation, there were 29 GMs that didn’t think Avery was worth $1.9 million and 29 GMs that didn’t think he was worth $950,000. In specific, there were 14 conference rivals, four division rivals and two crosstown rivals that didn’t think he was worth sticking the Rangers with a $950,000 cap hit. In other words(and as one of the beat writers suggested), a team could have claimed Avery simply to turn up the cap heat on the Rangers when they’re already near the top. Again, that says a lot about the player.

    My take on Avery is threefold. I think he’s got talent enough to be almost worth the roughly $1 million cap hit he has on re-entry waivers, but not a penny more. He’s not worth $1.9 million and he was never worth what the Stars gave him. Now you look at his play. Avery is writing checks his aging body won’t be able to cash in short order. As much as I love his aggressive style of play, it isn’t going to keep him in the lineup very long. Couple that with the fact that he’s a player who marches to his own drum beat and you’ve got an absolute nightmare from a GMs standpoint.

    Frankly, I hope Avery does make the best of his time in New York. Maybe if he does put up a few goals and helpers, he makes it tough for the Rangers to send him back down. But the odds are stacked against him right now given everything I’ve laid out here. And that has nothing to do with vendettas or management squabbles.

  46. >>…optimum sucks with NHL coverage so it is gone and welcome back Direct TV and MSG!!!!

    Speaking of MSG, is MSGHD on Verizon FiOS yet? The FCC had given Cablevision until the end of October to comply.

  47. Keys- How exactly has Torts done a below average job considering where this organization was pre lockout. His record so far is 98-76-21 which you can unfairly call 98-97 because it would eliminate the fact that all teams play for the tie with the scored tied and less than 5 to go in3rd. He’s a skills competition miss away from making the playoffs all three seasons. Before this season, his team has led the league in shot blocks, top 5 in PK, and been considered one of the harder teams to play against. ALL that with very little top end talent. Give him the talent the Pens, Caps, Flyers have and then get back to me.

  48. Torts being this hateful person always makes me laugh. The guy has done a great job protecting this team. Listen, as a former NHL PR person, it’s bugs the heck out of me that he blows off the writers after a tough loss. But, if I was in that lockerroom, I’d love him. Instead of bashing us (the players) to the Press, he says nothing and has our back. That’s what the players think.

  49. Stranger Nation on

    Looking for 24/7 to give a little perspective on Tort’s coaching style and player management. Last season the quality of coaching effectiveness between pens (very good) and caps (very bad) was one of the more interesting aspects of the show.

    If NYR through losing streak in Dec like Caps did last season AND Aves steps on the logo – WHOA – watch out for Torts popping veins and blood pressure meds.

    Puck control last game was best all season – tonite we learn if that was Sharks horrible D (Colin White -3) or NYR effort – or a mix. That and the of course, the hot hand, the difference maker – the 27 yr old minor leaguer – Devo (D-E-V-O) .

  50. The anti-Torts people are the same fools I hear on talk radio say that AJ Burnett and Joe Girardi don’t like each other. Why would AJ ever be upset with a guy that consistently defends him to the press.

  51. I will say this the “dark years” comparisons need to just go away. It is ridiculous the “phobia” that goes on in rangerland because of the dark years.

    lets keep a bunch of mid level prospects in our system and act like they are all blue chippers and swear they are going to bring us the cup and not add anything from outside the organization because it would be the “dark years” all over again….give me a freaking break!!

  52. Tortorella’s going to be here a good long time. get used to it. You finally get a guy in here with some patience and some teaching, and living with hiccups of the kids, and playing the kids in critical situations, and pleading with the GM to not trade away the kids.

    Then you want him gone because he hasn’t won a Stanley Cup yet?

    Sounds like an Avery-crush to me.

    Do you know what happens when he gets fired? You get Ken Hitchcock, or somebody like that, who will figure, “This is New York, we better win now so I don’t get fired again … we better trade McDonagh for Scott Gomez or some other big name. and sign a bunch of over-31 free agents this summer.”

  53. Wicky – Bravo, I couldn’t agree with you more. This organization went from over spending, bad drafting, and panic trading to still over spending, better drafting and much better trading. So that’s a good thing.

    However, as Wicky just correctly stated, this team is now in a mode where they pump up every one of their prospects yet not a single one of them impressed enough to break through in camp yet there are about 20 players 19 and under on rosters right now. If they have so many top end prospects coming up, they could afford to move one or two and get an NHL calibre Point Man on this team they so desperately need.

  54. Carp – You are dead on with that one. Fire Torts and you become what the NJ Devils have done lately. Rotate coaches, don’t address the lineup, and miss the playoffs with bad contracts.

  55. HWirth, I disagree with the blowing off the writers, and I’m a writer. I think if you do it once in a great while, for effect, you create a distraction from the performance of the team, and the 16-second sound bite is better than anything he might have said after that game.

    Messier once refused to talk to the media, instead walking down the hall with his coat on, to the elevators, about 15 writers following him. When the doors opened he said, “My mother always told me, if you don’t have something nice to say …” and he left.

    That was it. It became the story. Message sent to the teammates, and distraction successfully in place.

  56. an NHL calibre Point Man on this team they so desperately need.


    Brad Richards? I don’t think anyone had to be moved except Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson (if ya catch my drift)

  57. sorry this is too funny

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    BREAKING: @KimKardashian unfollows Kris Humphries on twitter. Now it’s getting serious

  58. … and on Tortorella … the next guy will come in here and think, “Gee I better kiss Sather’s aasen.” Tortorella is the first guy who won’t kiss it, and who will demand stuff and get it, and who has a huge say in personnel. The next guy won’t. It’ll be back to the early 2000s again.

  59. Wow. That is serious, Wick! What more could she do to hurt him!? That’s the HIGHEST ECHELON OF PAIN!

  60. Manny – I understand Richards, but he is a forward playing the point. I’m looking for a puck carrying, don’t let him fire that puck from the point, 25+ min a night defensemen that is ok average to above average defensively like when I see Karlsson in OTT, Enstrom, who just got hurt, in Winnipeg, Streit on the Island, even brain dead Wisnewski in CBJ.

  61. I don’t think it will ever be the dark years again no matter who the GM or coach is (unless the salary cap goes away), which is why I think it is so ridiculous to even bring up!!

  62. Carp – I got a hair brained off topic one for ya… STL Blues are getting new ownership in the new few months. Let’s say after the season they decide to bring in their own guys and let JD go from his Presidency. Could he be the one guy Dolan would trust as much as Sather to run the whole operation so he doesn’t have to be bothered and finally allow Sather to go back to Banff in the summers and golf and Palm Springs in the winter to golf?

  63. manny

    I am trying to remember what quality prospect we gave up on during the dark years (98-04) that was such a huge mistake?? I am just asking here, I just can’t think of one right now!

  64. Love the NHL (and Kevin Weekes >>) pumping its tires today about the great international broadcast deals it has secured. No mention of most of them not being agreed by the start of the season.

    And many thanks for ensuring HD coverage was maintained in the following countries: Albania, Andorra, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Serbia, Turkey and sub-Saharan Africa.

    Guess I should emigrate then.

  65. Dan Girardi is a really solid defensive defenseman but he does not have the offensive skills to be on that list. He’s trending more like a new ruled NHL Jeff Beukeboom.

  66. czechthemout!!!! on

    I don’t hate Torts at all. In fact I was a huge fan of his as the replacement for the hyena Renney. I have a problem with hypocrisy. Torts is the epitome of it. He talks a good game about accountability and for some players , that applies more to than other. For instance, Feds has been awfull in all but one game this year. Has he been held accountable? No!
    Gabby has been good in each and every game and yet torts has seen fit to bench him once already this year.

    As for Avery. He is clearly well liked by most of his teamates not named EC.
    And his presence in the line up since he’s been here has been a net positive. That is something that cannot be disputed by the facts. Will that continue? Time will tell. That said, he is clearly a better option in the lineup than EC,Rupp or even Deveux.

    One last thing, team sports are greatly influenced by chemistry almost as much as talent. And judging by the players reactions to Avery’s recall,it should be good going forward.

  67. Though Savard wasn’t given up for veteran help…

    Erik Karlsson is impressive, but not sure he qualifies as average to above average defensively just yet.

  68. “And his presence in the line up since he’s been here has been a net positive. That is something that cannot be disputed by the facts.”

    How can a subjective statement like that not even be disputed, facts or no facts?

  69. Carp – talk about extremes. Don’t you think you’re being a bit melodramatic? It didn’t seem to me that the Rangers did that under Renney’s tenure. I’d need to do the tally, but I’d say both he and Tortorella have brought in roughly the same number of young guys(the only difference being the threadbare nature of the Rangers’ system when Renney started). When Renney was fired, it wasn’t like it was right back to the late 1990s. Saying the same thing would happen is kind of ignoring his whole history here.

    Look, I realize you like Tortorella as a coach. But it seems a bit hypocritical to bag on all the Avery-lusting-Tortorella-hating people in one breath and then say this team would automatically revert back to its miserable pre-lockout state with the next. Like it or not, Sather is seemingly on board with the ongoing youth movement. It’s the only explanation why it’s ongoing.

  70. LW – I don’t disagree with you about Karlsson defensively but I don’t know how much of that deals with him being on a really bad team. I know one thing I love to see him paired with Dan Girardi or Marc Staal for a season and see what comes of it.

  71. wow. just goes to show how people’s opinions on players differ. In mine, Fedotenko has been the Rangers’ best forward other than Gaborik the first 10 games, though some have been better the last two or three (Callahan).

    I think Tortorella has held more guys accountable, himself included, than any coach since Keenan … and Keenan’s accountability was random and pre-judgmental. He sits Gaborik. He sits Prust. He says when Lundqvist stinks.

  72. Carp – I have no idea how anyone who watches the games and doesn’t just look at stats could say Feds has not been their most consistent forward. He’s probably one of their more intelligent players on the ice in terms of positioning, being in the right place at the right time. His line with Boyle and Prust is as good as third line as you could want in the New NHL.

  73. I think the Rangers should bring in Ken Hitchock before Jackets do a round 2 with him. They won so many playoff games with him. OH wait….

  74. Oh I know what fans around here want… Let’s fire Torts and ask the players, including Avery, who they want to coach them, cause it always works when the players get more say than management. GEEZ!

  75. Fedotenko has been terrific – that’s why I say he should get a look on a top line that is Fedotenko – Gaborik – Stepan

  76. And since I’m on a roll, wicky…

    Depends what you define as a “quality prospect”, but you’re arguably stunting the growth of any younger borderline NHLer by signing Quintal, Kamensky, Ulanov, Karpa et al just because they are better players at that moment (arguable in itself for some cases).

  77. KimKardashian unfollows Kris Humphries on twitter. ___________________________________________________

    Obviously Tortorella’s fault.

  78. Carp…gotta disagree that “Torts” holds himself accountable…he suspends Avery for losing control on the ice, then commits a like infraction himself…’do as I say not as I do’…oh, and below is not the only time “Torts” chose to mix it up with fans, as I’m sure you know…pot meet kettle.


  79. Well Avery never fought the fans and Torts never got involved with a player. I think the fans is a personal thing – and I am 100% on his side and I think fans should be forced to be more wary of their asinine behavior. Torts also didn’t cost the team a player for 2-10 minutes. That’s a Sean Avery special.

  80. Wicky© – I think the full list would be Johnsson, Savard, Malhotra, Zidlicky, York, Cloutier and Mottau. The latter three are questionable, certainly. The key drawback of those years in hindsight was that the drafting record from 1994 until 2004 was downright miserable. That’s an understatement too. For instance, They gave away Cloutier and Savard for a chance to draft two guys who probably wouldn’t have even gone in the top 20 in any other draft year(Lundmark and Brendl of course). Then because they didn’t have a goalie to step in when the Richter(who was already showing signs of aging in 1999) went down, they rushed a future number-one tender and then were forced to make a knee-jerk move for Dunham. And without a good center in the system, they ended up moving Johnsson(another good puck-moving defenseman) for Lindros. One bad move beget another. In that whole failed sequence ending in 2002, the Rangers basically set themselves back three years. Instead of going into the 2003 season with a starting goaltender(Cloutier), a top-line center(Savard), a future starter developing in juniors(Blackburn), a powerplay QB(Zidlicky), and a second-string PPQB(Johnsson) they had to fill the roster with bunch of overpaid fading stars(Holik, Messier, Kovalev and Lindros to name a few). There in lies the issues with the late 1990s and early 2000s.

  81. Wicky…I do not think we have more than an average NHL roster, though many here and elsewhere talk about our young players as if they will be in the hall of fame someday—the roster is on Sather…top 4 d-men on many teams, in my opinion:

    Staal, Girardi, McDonagh on D

    Top 6 forwards on many teams:

    Cally, Dubi, Gaborik, Richards

    So, in defense of “Torts” I do not believe he has a better than average roster to work with…doesn’t change my opinion of him as a person though.

  82. HWirth…so how come “Torts” is regularly voted on by the players themselves as the coach they’d least like to play for?

    Oh, and when you refer to people who disagree with you as “fools” you do yourself a disservice.

  83. keys, i was as tough on him as anybody for the water bottle incident, if that’s what you mean. it was a huge mistake he made worse by refusing to accept responsibility. don’t think there’s an other example in the two-plus years since then, is there? Maybe his tiff with Larry Brooks when he should have been discussing the Girardi-Carcillo-Gaborik incident.

    But overall, accountability has been very good on his roster. His players take responsibility. And are given the same.

  84. Keys, this is the last response in this ridiculous issue: How many players love playing for him? How many are playing for him a second time? How did Tampa’s players play the last game of the season and pretty much say it was for him? Ask Callahan, Dubinsky and Girardi and Staal, and heck, even Drury, what it’s like to play for him. Or ask the kids like Stepan and McDonagh and Sauer and Anisimov.

    But, no, all that matters is that he sent poor Sean to Hartford. Boo hoo.

  85. czechthemout!!!! on


    There is nothing subjective about my comment. Check out their record with and without Avery. Especially prior to last season.


    Other than Gabby, not a single forward has been good until the last two games. The only one consistantly good has been Gabby. In fact, the only consistantly good players this season have been Girardi, MCD,LW, and Biron.

  86. You could even ask Gomez…

    Scott Gomez is on record (after the Rangers traded him, mind you) that Torts was the best coach he ever played for…

  87. Someone needs to back up statements like “players don’t like playing for him” with an article, a poll…something.

    I respect the opinions, but throwing out comments like that without any substantiating it simply rings hollow.

    Brad Richards probably doesn’t come here without Tortorella. And that’s not guessing…that’s coming straight from Richards.

  88. LW and others
    thanks, I just couldn’t remember some of them…

    I agree 100% with you on feds….the only thing I don’t really agree on is his “even handed” disciplining. specifically huginsky and his lack of pressbox/pine time!!

  89. I am not even a player and I want to play for Torts. When I lack motivation at work I think of Torts. I have pictures of him in every place in my life where I might need some encouragement or lashing.

  90. Just for the record, a person can like Avery and not hate Torts at the same time. Not always one and the same. Prust saying.

  91. czechthemout!!!! on

    Agreed. It is only nine games. But I expressed my opinion on only those nine games so far this year.

    As for not wanting to play for Torts, I don’t buy that nonsense either. The most succesfull coaches are the ones ” players don’t like ” that list goes on and on. In Hockey, one name that comes to mind is Scotty Bowman . According to players like Luc Robitaile, players on the Wings were scared to death of him.

  92. czech, the famous quote from Steve Shutt on Scotty Bowman:

    “You hate him for 364 days a year. And on the 365th day you get your Stanley Cup ring.”

  93. Grabby, my connection has been pretty crappy as of late, which is causing a lot of lagging. Hopefully I’ll have it figured out this week, so we can get a few games going.

    For the record, my dominance was from NHL 10. I never played NHL 11, and I’ve only played NHL 12 a few times. I’m still getting my “mojo” back.

    BTW, Kim Kardashian’s ass = Torts’ ego, right? And they’re both well tanned!

    Torts Lovers unite!

  94. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I like Torts’ coaching, except for the Hank L. burnout. Wish he would give Hank 20 games off, at least, before play starts for real. What I really like about Torts is his major upgrade over Tom Renney, perhaps the world’s nicest guy, but amelting soft ice cream cone compared with a real man’s man like Torts. Torts has guts and character and tolerates nothing which is counter to the best interests of the team, and holds bad-actor, lazy-ass. big-shot Gaborik types accountable for mental and physical lapses.

    How many coaches have the guts to hold big-name, big-salary players accountable for their attitude and their play? Damn few. I hope Torts stays for another decade and deservedly leads this team to a Cup championship or two, along the way. He deserves it for his passionate commitment to winning and his striving for excellence.

  95. Noah, is that poll enough for you, or do I need signed statements for all Torts supporters that I didn’t tamper with the results…but hey, Carp said Ryan McDonagh likes playing for him…I mean, come on, what is a rookie supposed to say when asked?

  96. Scotty Bowman has a career record of nearly 1000 games over .500 and won 9 Stanley Cups, including 4 straight and 5 in 7 years.

    Tortorella’s about 30 games over .500, one 1 cup and hasn’t come close since.

    The two don’t even belong in the same sentence.

  97. Polls prove everything? Poll support for jim crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s and see what you’d find. I like torts. I dont love him but he is building this team from the ground up. I am going to wait to see this team develop. if they develop win an additional playoff round (that means one) then torts is moving the team in the right direction. If they regress, then you can consider other options. But a public flap with sean avery who is detested by 99% of the rest of the fans of the other teams in the league should not be the thing that does torts in for ranger fans. How bout that poll?

  98. How is Tortorella building this team from the ground up? There isn’t a player on the roster who was drafted after he got here, and the additions closest to his arrival are Del Zotto and Stepan. One looks like he could be a good player, the other has become progressively worse since dealing with Tortorella.

    Is signing Brad Richards to a bloated contract an example of rebuilding the team?

  99. Impressive, keys! Except it means nothing. If you want to know real details, use stats properly. How many of 15% actually played for Tortorella? Now, how many of those who played for him would like to play or not play for him again? And what % of players, in general, would like to play for him? Knowing how tough he is, and knowing my skating skills, for example, I would not like to be on his team. Just ask Richards, Prospal and Fedotenko why they wanted to play here.

  100. so what 40 something anonymous players out of the 318 polled wouldn’t want to play for Torts……..WOW, proves a WHOLE lot more then several Stanley Cup winners going on record saying they loved playing for him

  101. Carp, re: that quote…..ha.

    I remember a coach the fans hated…..hmmm. what year was that? Oh yeah, I think it ended in 94.

  102. I think we need an experienced actuary to look at those results..:-)


    Paging, CT. Paging, CT. CTB to the RR forum. Stop tending to your newborn and attend to our crisis here!

  103. It’s pretty funny how good a job John Tortorella has done in talking himself up – he’s actually got people believing this team is significantly better than it was before he got here The best part is that Renney’s teams put up better numbers in every full year that he was here than Tortorella has to this point, and all of the homegrown players were developed under his watch, but somehow Tortorella gets all the credit.

  104. How do we think Avery voted in that poll? Seeing as Torts is the only coach in the entire league willing to allow him to even sniff the ice.

  105. Here’s fact not stupid anonymous poll information about Torts and whether players want to play for him or not. Richards, Prospal, Feds all came to NYR to play for him. Scott Gomez admitted on record as stated earlier he loved playing for Torts.

    As for the other stuff, look at the big time winning coaches and tell me which one of them was easy on the players. Bowman? No Arbour? No Crawford? No Freddy the Fog? No.

    In fact the one “player friendly” guy is the one guy everyone hates here and that’s Sather, who was a little looser than most.

  106. iWicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    I will certainly defer to you on the huginsky issue. Just seems like he gets a pass where no one else does. You are a lot closer to the closed doors than I am!

  107. Lloyd – Renney did better job than Torts? Helped he had Jagr and Shanny on that team! Even at the ends of their career were more talented than what they have had since Torts got here. They have a younger, developing team under Torts.

  108. Pekka Rinne signs 7 yr, $49M contract. Suter will be traded before the deadline, most likely.

  109. again, it’s absolutely ludicrous to compare John Tortorella with Scott Bowman or Al Arbour

    Going to reserve judgment on Brad Richards. Scott Gomez was a disaster. Ruslan Fedotenko is a glorified 4th liner who was treated like a ragdoll by Tortorella when both were in Tampa. Prospal was in somewhat the same boat, swallowed his pride, played well and took off in search of a better contract. Hardly any power brokers in the bunch.

  110. Pekka Rinne is really good. He is one of my favorite goaltenders. Positioning, my friends. Positioning and the ability to make a spectacular save when need be.

  111. Both won the Cup, Lloyd….Tough to argue with a blind hater, though….

    Anyone going tonight?

  112. Lloyd – It’s crazy to compare guys to Bowman and Arbour is true. HOWEVER, he’s ONE CUP closer than the majority of coaches in the NHL. So tell me, who should the Rangers replace Torts with? What available coach has a better pedigree than Torts? Does not exist. You want Ken Hitchock? Mike Keenan? Last I checked, Torts was the only guy WEARING a RING that was available when Renney was let go. I’d say they made a pretty solid choice.

  113. So in your opinion Scott Bowman, Al Arbour and John Tortorella are coaching equals? That’s your point, right

  114. I picked up Josh Harding for my team, and he’s started the last three games, I think. 3-0, with a shutout. He’s playing again tonight against the Nucks. I don’t watch Wild games, so I don’t know if Backstrom is hurt, or if he’s not playing well.

  115. FWIW, many people feared that Vinny L was going to be a bust. Torts stripped him of the captaincy. After a few years with Torts, the guy turned into a monster…best player in the league for a while…

    Also, look at St. Louis….guy was a career AHL’er/borderline NHL player and then played for Torts…couple of seasons later turns into a superstar….

  116. HWirth:

    I don’t think this organization is getting nearly as much out of John Tortorella as John Tortorella would have you believe. “Wearing a ring” in and of itself doesn’t mean a thing without the personnel to get you another one – do you think the Rangers are anywhere close to winning a Stanley Cup? My view of Tortorella is that he’s getting mediocre results but being judged as if his team is just narrowly missing out on conference titles every year. They haven’t come close, nor do I think he’s the right guy in this market for this group.

  117. Lloyd – who should the coach the team? Everyone comes on here bashing the coach, which of course is always the easy scapegoat, yet never has a legit replacement for him? Ken Gernander? Yeah, he’s got a more pedigree than Torts? Messier? Good luck firing him when they are still barely playoff caliber team. Marc Crawford is available (you think Torts is hateful wait.)

  118. So Jumbo Shrimp apologized for calling the Rangers “soft”? You can count him in that 15%. Because of his ability to float during some games he would make a hole in MSG’s home bench if he played here.

  119. ilb, was going to pop in….but with no Sean and no tix….sigh. See you another time, and hug LW ta for me!

    and belated congrats to our newest bonehead! Little Teagan CT who turned 26 the other day!

  120. …got to admit, I just don’t get the love for “Torts” here…as I’m sure the loyalty to Avery rankles “Torts” fans…

    …enough already…

  121. HWirth-

    I’m not saying Tortorella should be fired, although I do think he’s on a shorter tether than many people here believe. My point is that I think his impact has been greatly exaggerated because Tortorella is so vocal about all he’s doing with this team. I see the mediocre results from the same mediocre roster. If the Rangers all of a sudden turn into a 50 win team, I’ll give him all the credit, but do you really see that happening?

  122. Lloyd – You just contradicted yourself. You said he doesn’t have the right personnel to get another one. So, how exactly is it Torts fault he has to lean on a 2nd line that is really a third and is the core of the team. So Torts should be fire because he stands up for his team in the press, umm? Coaches don’t get fired for being difficult with the press because if that was true the New England Patriots would need a new coach.

  123. LOL! If Crawford replaces Torts, then the Avery lovers will beg to have Torts back. Crawford and Avery hate each other. When Aves was with the Stars, they got into a pretty heated exchange during a pre-season game against the Blues.

    Firetorts would change his name to Imisstorts

  124. It’s not a Torts vs. Avery thing, with me at least.
    Avery is what he is a 4th liner with a big mouth. Torts is what he is. A career winning coach with a Stanley Cup ring on his hand, who is hard on the press, is grumpy and nasty after losses, rides players hard and if you can’t handle the heat you will struggle. Torts has also gotten a mediocre team alive for the playoffs on the last day of the season two years in a row, which A LOT of coaches would not have done, sorry! Like I said, be the Devils. Rotate coaches and don’t address the lineup problems. Would rather Rangers roster and Torts than Devils situation anyday.

    And again, everyone hates Torts yet no one suggest a legit guy to replace him.

  125. HWirth:

    I’ve said many times here that I’m not sure another coach would make that much of a difference with this roster. What I do believe, however, is that Tortorella’s impact is severely overrated. I don’t feel the time is significantly better now than it was when he got the job. I don’t feel his system or his moves represent any kinds of innovations that any other coach couldn’t do equally well. Do you need a Stanley Cup ring to keep lines together when they’re playing well and then immediately scramble them as soon as they go cold?

  126. Nobody here is saying that Tortorella has no flaws as a coach or human being. But he is the best choice for this team, the way it’s structured and the way it’s being built. He isn’t going anywhere, and for the right reason. Whether he succeeds or not will be obvious in two-three years. But getting rid of him now would be a huge mistake. We all need to have a bit more patience with the players and coaches as well. This team needs more stability rather than drastic changes. Adding a few good players will always help, but be patient with your young guys. If for nothing else, they may bring more in the future. Building a true contender requires a plan, vision and patience. They finally got on that track. It’s too bad not everyone can see it.

  127. BTW, that poll used was of 318 players…which is about half of the league.

    Where’s the poll of the players that have actually played for Torts? Sorry that’s repeating someone from above, but that really is the crux of the issue.

    Also, Keys, I didn’t mean to come across as combative earlier. All just in the spirit of the debate!

  128. …what I do know is that more often than not I fall asleep watching this team…’safe is death’ has been replaced by ‘soft is death’ apparently…very little proactive edge or snarl to their game…is this a result of the HC-NYR admonishing players to stay out of the box, or the GM compiling a roster of nice guys?…which is really odd because Sather was a real pest, an abrasive player himself…

  129. Lloyd – I think you are mistaking Torts with Rex Ryan. If anything he’s been more honest than the fans and even the press (sorry Carp) about this team. He’s the one who’s said out loud to the press they needed more skill. He’s the one who has always said they need to grind out wins. He’s the one who has after WINS! said that while they won it wasn’t a good game. How much more honesty do you want?

  130. ilb2001:

    they’re not on that track. the Rangers organization has not developed a single superstar player in decades. their one legitimate star forward has been riddled with injuries and still doesn’t have the personnel around him to make as good as he can be. the rest of this teams forwards are mostly 3rd and 4th liners. the defense has 4 solid defensemen, none of whom have significant offensive skills or can qb a power play. the personnel required to make this team a cup contender are going to have to come from outside the organization.

  131. Keys – It has nothing to do with coach or GM but players and talent or team. If they were to play an open ice, up and down game, they’d lose each night 7-2 with their borderline NHL defense.

  132. ilb
    you forgot to add Deveaux to that list of players who
    played for Tortorella in the past and are now back with him

  133. ” the Rangers organization has not developed a single superstar player in decades.”

    Yeah, Hank Lundqvist isn’t a superstar…actually, he’s overrated and overweight!

  134. tonight’s game worries me as far as
    it’s not only anaheim but it’s an anaheim
    team that’s been on a losing streak
    and hungry to get over it.

    hoping that they leave New York just as winless

    good luck to all
    gonna miss part or all of first period
    cause i have to pick the pup

  135. Lloyd – I don’t think they are as off track you say, but we finally agree on one thing. The makeup of this roster is not good enough to really compete in the East. See Blogmama – some common ground.

  136. …no worries at all Noah…enjoying the environment here already!…agree or disagree, it seems most here bleed NYR blue, as I have, for a few decades, including 7 years as a season ticket holder…

  137. HWirth:

    If you read between the lines, that approach means that the faults of the team are almost exclusively with the players. Most of Tortorella’s post-game rants very cleverly place all the blame on the players for failing to properly implement his system. He appears to be an extremely honest and passionate coach when all he’s actually doing is letting himself off the hook when the team doesn’t produce. Oh, we lost? Well, they don’t work hard enough. We won, good, but they need to work harder. The implication is that he’s setting everything up perfectly and his spoiled children just can’t make it work.

  138. Lloyd, the only reasonable way to do it is to tank for a few seasons ala Pens. Not happening in NY. Isn’t that our fault because we are inpatient. On the other hand, have you heard of Lundquist? Does Staal ring the bell. Like I said, not everybody can see it.

  139. NYR_Fan:

    Henrik Lundqvist is a goalie, but he would certainly fall within the superstar category. The problem is that the Rangers had one of the best goalies in the league for years and couldn’t win a damn thing because there was nothing in front of him. Hank’s in a similar position now. As important as a goalie is to the team, you need a full roster to help you win games. There are no homegrown superstars on this team who’re in a position to put the puck in that net.

  140. Speaking of lawyering, I just got appointed to my first pro bono matter. Any fellow ESQ’s deal with these matters before? Any heavy lifting?

    (insert comment about Torts/Avery/OWS here)

  141. You want to blame anyone for not putting the talent in front of Hank, then blame Sather for failing to draft some of the best talent in the NHL. We have talented guys on the team, but they’re not in the category of some of the guys Slats passed up.

    Look at Claude Giroux! Imagine him with NYR right now, we could sure use a guy like him. But, we’re stuck with…oh wait, no we traded Sanguinetti. Doh!

  142. Lloyd, examples of Tortorella blaming a player after a game, please?

    Nobody — certainly not me — is comparing Tortorella to Bowman. And you can use both in the same sentence: “Scotty Bowman is a much better coach than John Tortorella.” There.

    But here comes the Avery love again.

    And now the coach is responsible for drafting players. Who knew?

  143. HWirth…agree wholeheartedly that their talent is mediocre, but I sure would enjoy seeing more sand paper, proactively…

  144. Of course Sather’s the problem. I think he’s got a decent eye for everything but top line talent.

    What exactly happened with Sanguinetti? Was it just that he couldn’t play anywhere other than the OHL? The guy put up some monster numbers there.

  145. Orr – There is no debate that their first round picks have really busted in their faces. Although, in fairness, their 2nd through 7th rounders are doing well. But you are right, McIllrath over Fowler, Sags over Giroux, Del Zotto over John Carlson, the obvious Jessiman draft.

    To put in perspective, no one the NYR have drafted in 07, 09, 10, 11 have played for them and only Horak is in the NHL.

  146. Why can’t Stahl be considered a superstar? Does a defenseman have to score a certain amount of goals and points to be considered a superstar? So, Mike Green, who is fantastic offensively, but absolutely horrific defensively, is more of a superstar than Stahl.

    I can’t buy that!

  147. McIlrath over Fowler? Last I checked, the elite Fowler has only three assists this season, while playing on a PP that has Perry, Getzlaf, Ryan, and Selanne. Let’s not act like he’s so much better than McIlrath, who hasn’t even played yet.

    Let’s hold off on that one for a few more years.

  148. Carp…didn’t realize last year counted this year too…my bad…hey, that mean’s that Torts winning a cup in Tampa in 2004 still makes him a great coach, the best possible HC-NYR could ever have…I’m moving on Carp…you love Torts, hate Avery, I got it…agree to disagree…

  149. Marc Staal is a very tough, aggressive defensive defenseman who occasionally makes really boneheaded plays and lacks the offensive punch to make up for those lapses. Staal is a 25-30 point. That’s pretty good but hardly at a premium in the NHL. I think he matches up very well against some the best players in the league, and not so well against many others. I like what he brings, but you can’t consider a 25-30 point guy an elite player.

  150. Flavah! I don’t consider Boyle a bust…although he was widely thought of one…

    Boyle is an example of a player that Torts helped transform into a real pro, IMO.

    A guy that (Torts readily admitted) was penciled in a as a AHL’er last season wound up being one of the best two-players on the team and a key guy…

    But don’t you dare give any credit to that ego-maniac Tarts…

  151. Lloyd

    You discredit your more cogent arguments when you say stuff like Del Zotto “has become progressively worse since dealing with Tortorella”.

    Del Zotto’s entire roll call of NHL coaches:
    John Tortorella

    So you are saying (guessing) that he was a better player in juniors?


    Yes, your original comment was entirely subjective. Even supporting it with the team’s record with and without Avery (especially if you choose to discard an entire – and most recent – season) is open to interpretation at best.

  152. So, it’s just based on points? Ultimately, his job is to defend, that’s the whole point of a defenseman, and he does it damn well.

    And every d-man, including HOF’er’s Nick Lidstrom, take dumb penalties, and make bad plays. Nobody is perfect.

    All I’m saying is, it should just be based on how many goals/points they score. Stahl is among the best in the league, and every GM would likely agree, and like Ilb said, would have him on the first pair on most teams.

  153. LW3H:

    I said nothing about Del Zotto playing for another coach. When he first came up, he looked like a dynamic player. Now he looks like part of an AHL 2nd d-man pairing.

  154. AHL 2nd d-man pairing.


    I understand that +/- isn’t the MOST important factor but the kid is a +7. You gotta respect that. Also he’s been much better on a MUCH better PP unit. Also, he is taking steps forward daily. Come on. 2nd pair in the AHL!? That’s way harsh (in the words of Thai from Clueless)

  155. Marc Crawford:

    won Stanley Cup with Colorado in 1996.
    moved on to Vancouver, where in 7 seasons then with the Canucks, he missed the playoffs 3 times, advanced to the conference semis 1 time, and the conference quarter finals 3 times.
    in 2 seasons with LA, he missed the playoffs both times.

    John Tortorella:

    won Stanley Cup with Tampa in 2004
    lost in East quarterfinals in 05 and 06
    joined NYR and lost East quarterfinals in 09
    missed playoffs ’10
    lost East quarterfinals ’11

  156. agree ORR with your comment about Staal. but Lidstrom doesnt take bad penalties. i dont remember the exact stat but i heard a few weeks ago he had like 600 total penalty minutes in his career. or something like that. it was some pretty impressive stat. do i consider Staal a superstar? ehhhh probably not. but then again i can think of only two or three defensemen that i would consider superstars. Weber and Lidstrom being two of those. Staal is not quiet there….yet.

  157. Amen, NYR about Boyle being a good two-way player. That was what I was referring to earlier when I said he has size and needs to play like it. He has improved GREATLY under Torts/Barb Underhill.

    Also – “Two-Way Player” is a great band name/DJ name.

  158. The name Hitchcock ( mentioned twice already, btw) is a sure thing for me to skip pregame meal with my son.

  159. i dont know if id give Tort’s credit for Boyle’s improvement last year….it’s like if a kid gets a really hard professor (CCCP?) in college and struggles at math, then gets a tutor, and suddenly improves a great deal….does the professor get the credit or the tutor? or just the kid? depends on your perspective i guess.

  160. Well something (Torts) made Boyle want to get better. The kid has obviously dedicated his life to hockey (and Keystone Light) and never before Torts did he seek out a Barb Underhill type coach. I think that takes a strong desire to suck it up and do something you are embarrassed to do.

  161. Not consistently, Lev, but he tends to take a bad one here and there, like mostly everyone in the NHL, which is my point,

    I don’t know, I’m not saying he *is* a superstar, but I wont say he’s not. I’m stuck in the middle. I suppose it has to be a combination of both offense and defense.

  162. Saying he’s got worse “since dealing with Tortorella” implies somebody else got something good out of him before that, no?

    So all the dynamism from his rookie year was just the player freelancing despite rather than because of the coach? Sure, he’s been dialled down plenty since then (and yes, not entirely a positive development), but most offensively-minded rookie D-men would get similar treatment from other coaches.

  163. He is allowing home grown and home drafted players to make up the majority of the roster. Moreso than any ranger coach i can remember. Thats building a team from the ground up. At least i think it is. Too many pole dancing cow bell bacon rolls.

  164. Lloyd- I have to admit, I admire you for sticking with the Rangers. Because you certainly sound liker you hate every single aspect of this team from bottom up and they make you miserable. I honestly do not think I’d be able to keep rooting for them.

  165. Tonights lineup – can someone help me with some of the nicknames, I have missed a few

    (WW) – Step On – Buttchin
    American Picker – Savior – Capt Cally
    F-Tank – Boyler – In Prust we Trust
    (EC) – Artie Party – Bel Biv Deveaux

    BlockNess Monster – McBust
    Del Zaster – Sauer Power
    Woywhatever – (Eminger)

    Hank – (Biron)

    Scratches –
    Sloppy Seconds

  166. Woofski – Step-On – Butt-Chin
    Dublowsky – Beaver Teeth – Callaman
    Rosie Cheeks – Flavah – Chuck Noris
    Pee Wee – Artie Party – Bahama Bomba

    Blockness Monster – McDonut
    Del Zaster – Sour Power
    Woywhatever – Mrs. Eminger

    Softqvist – Beer-On


  167. I am interested in the folks who think we shouldn’t take shots “too much” from the point. Well what is too much?

    I don’t know if for Rangers they should be more circumspect, but I’ve seen an awful lot of opponent’s shots from the point wind up in the Ranger’s net….maybe they know something that our team doesn’t?

  168. Thanks for the Translation “their” ORR. I didn’t know what that team was before!

    Isn’t it sad that we all know who these people are by their nicknames!?

    LMAO at “savior”

  169. eddie eddie eddie on

    Joe will likely say Hard and/or groin tonight …huhuh huuh huh huh huh huhuhuhuhuhu

  170. for the record, keys, I neither love Tortorella or hate Avery. I just try to objectively see the worth of all the topics of conversation … and I’ve been doing it long enough to have some convictions when I do.

    I happen to think Tortorella is a very good coach who has done a very good job with the teams he’s had here.

    and I’ve made it pretty clear what I think about Avery, and I’m not going to re-type that essay. but if you were paying attention, I don’t think you could draw the conclusion that I hate him.

  171. >>I borrowed a generator to watch the game HAHA!!!!

    From what I’m hearing, a lot of these generators are causing carbon monoxide poisoning.

  172. Jbytes, In regards to your earlier post about MSG-HD on Verizon Fios….Dolan appealed the decision that MSG-HD must be made available to Verizon Fios by October 22nd. The FCC denied the appeal, but they pushed back the date until November 14th when Dolan needs to make MSG-HD available to Fios. You know the asshat Dolan will do everything in his power to prevent that from happening. Stay Tuned!!

  173. eddie eddie eddie on

    angry gold fish….that would be brutha, from anutha, my brutha,,,know what I’m sayin?

  174. eddie eddie eddie on

    she, she gave us most our life, she sacrificed most of her life……picks up the letter thats lying there, standing alone at the top of the stairs…..why would she treat us so badly….

  175. Carp

    well, this was a midterm and the teacher slammed us with 110 questions (last 10 for extra credit), most of which were short essay questions! got me sweating a bit! lol But, i think i did well. thank you for asking! will know next week. just relived its over.

  176. Carp…first and foremost, thank you very much for having such a great blog and forum…I believe “Torts” was a great coach for the Lightning, but remain steadfast that he is not great coach, not the right coach for NYC and for this franchise…he is the second coming of Marc Crawford in my opinion…just my $.02.

  177. well, if you listen to the audio you’ll see that he means that Christensen has all the skills to be the player, but he doesn’t use them. Hard to disagree.

    *new post.*

  178. …it was Torts to Andrew Gross:

    Torts on Christensen: “He’s the full package…It’s a matter of doing it every night.”

  179. iWicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    I kinda thought Boyle did his improvements all on his own and torts was shocked like everyone else that he made the team, but I could be wrong….

    Eminger=BNMJ=blockness monster junior

    Feds=RCB=rockwellian Christmas boy (just built a snowman outside with those rosy cheeks)

    I think suter would make a great ranger

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