Senators at Rangers today


Pre-game notes courtesy of the NYR:

Saturday, Oct. 29, 3:00 p.m.
Madison Square Garden – New York, New York

Rangers: 3-3-2 (8 pts)
Senators: 5-5-0 (10 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Oct. 27
The Rangers will face-off against the Ottawa Senators at Madison Square Garden (3:00 p.m.), in the second game of their six-game homestand. The Blueshirts currently rank fourth in the Atlantic Division standings, and 11th in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 3-3-2 (8 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Toronto Maple Leafs, 4-2, on Thursday in their 2011-12 home opener at Madison Square Garden, and have now won three of their last five games. The loss ended the Blueshirts’ franchise record seven-game point streak in home openers, dating back to the 2003-04 season (4-0-1-2 over the span). The contest marks the Rangers’ sixth consecutive game against a Canadian opponent. The Senators enter the contest with a 5-5-0 (10 pts) record to rank eighth in the Eastern Conference, and have won their last four games. Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the San Jose Sharks on Monday, Oct. 31, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in the third game of their six-game homestand.

TV: MSG Network

2:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Al Trautwig
3:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Senators
Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
· Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio and
2:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
3:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Senators
Broadcasters: Don LaGreca (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)


  • · All-Time: 32-33-3-2 overall (14-20-0-1 at home; 18-13-3-1 on the road)
  • · 2011-12: Tonight marks the first of four meetings this season, and the first of two meetings at Madison Square Garden.
  • · Last Season: New York was 2-1-1 overall, including a 0-1-1 mark at home. Three of the four contests were decided by two goals or less, including one that required the shootout on Mar. 24 at Madison Square Garden (1-2, OT). Brandon Prust and Derek Stepan tied for the team-high with two goals and three points apiece in the season series. Henrik Lundqvist posted a 1.72 goals against average and a .936 save percentage while appearing in all four games.
  • · The Rangers have registered at least a point in eight of the last 11 contests vs. the Senators, posting a record of 7-3-1 over the span. New York has out-scored Ottawa, 27-18, during the stretch.
  • · Henrik Lundqvist has appeared in 23 consecutive games vs. Ottawa dating back to Dec. 26, 2005
  • · New York ranks 29th with a 0-1-0 record at home; Ottawa ranks 27th with a 1-3-0 (2 pts) mark on the road
  • · The Rangers have posted a 0-1-0 record vs. Northeast Division opponents; the Senators are 0-1-0 vs. the Atlantic Division
  • · Henrik Lundqvist has posted a 10-11-1 record with a 1.93 goals against average and one shutout in 23 career regular season contests vs. Ottawa; Martin Biron is 14-9-2-2 with a 2.79 goals against average and two shutouts in 30 career regular season games vs. the Senators
  • · Brad Richards leads the Rangers with 11 goals, 11 assists and 22 points in 31 career regular season contests vs. Ottawa; Marian Gaborik has tallied 13 points (five goals, eight assists) in 12 games vs. the Senators
  • · New York lists no former Senators on their roster
  • · Ottawa lists one former Ranger on their roster: Alex Auld (2009-10)


  • · Power Play: The Rangers did not tally a goal in three power play opportunities (3:24) on Thursday vs. Toronto, and are now 3-15 (20.0%) with the man advantage in the last four games. New York ranks 29th overall (3-31, 9.7%) and 29th at home (0-3). The Rangers are 0-2 (1:05) in five-on-three situations (last – 10/22 at EDM), and 0-3 (2:04) when four-on-three (last – 10/27 vs. TOR). Shorthanded goals allowed (0).
  • · Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Maple Leafs scoreless in four shorthanded situations (5:24) on Thursday at Madison Square Garden, and are now 20-22 (90.9%) in the last five games. New York ranks eighth overall (36-41, 87.8%) and is tied for first at home (4-4, 100.0%). The Rangers are 2-2 (0:44) in three-on-five situations (last – 10/15 at NYI), and 0-1 (1:17) when three-on-four (last – 10/7 at LAK). Shorthanded goals for (1): 10/20 at CGY (Prust).
  • · Four-on-Four: New York tallied one goal in three four-on-four situations (3:10), and did not tally/yield a goal in one three-on-three situation (0:01) on Thursday vs. Toronto. The Rangers are now plus-three in 18 four-on-four situations (27:56), and even in one three-on-three situation (0:01). Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 at VAN (Gaborik); 10/20 at CGY (McDonagh); 10/27 vs. TOR (Girardi). Four-on-four goals allowed (0).

The Rangers completed their first of 14 back-to-back sets this season with a 2-1 shootout loss against the Anaheim Ducks on Oct. 8 at Ericsson Globe Arena. New York has posted a record of 0-0-1 (0-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the first game of the set, and are 0-0-1 (0-0-0 at home, 0-0-1 on the road) in the second game. Since 2009-10, New York is 21-8-3 in the back-end of back-to-back sets, including a 9-3-1 mark at MSG and 12-5-2 on the road over the span. The Rangers’ next back-to-back set is Nov. 5-6 vs. Montreal and Winnipeg, both games to be played at Madison Square Garden.

New York defensemen have accounted for 25.0% of the team’s scoring, which is tied for second in the league. Ranger blueliners have tallied four goals combined through eight games to begin the season. Ryan McDonagh leads all Blueshirt defensemen with two goals.

The Rangers finished their season-opening seven-game road trip with a 3-2-2 mark. The trip set a new franchise record for longest stretch away from Madison Square Garden to begin a season, breaking the old record of five games set in 1952-53 and 1953-54. It was only the seventh time in franchise history that the Rangers had a road trip of seven games or longer at any point in the season – 1955-56 (4-4-1-0), 1959-60 (1-5-1-0), 1981-82 (5-1-2-0), 1984-85 (0-6-1-0), 1987-88 (4-2-1-0), and 1997-98 (2-3-2-0) – and the third time they posted a winning record on such a trip (1981-82, 1987-88). The Blueshirts opened their home schedule with a 4-2 loss on Thursday vs. Toronto, their latest home opener since they opened the 1948-49 season on Oct. 27, 1948 (excluding the lockout-shortened 1994-95 season).

New York completed their four-game Western Canada road trip with a 3-1-0 record. The Rangers began the trip by defeating Vancouver (4-0) and Calgary (3-2, OT), marking the first time the team has won in those two cities in the same season since 1986-87. On Monday, the Blueshirts visited Winnipeg for the first time since they faced the former Winnipeg Jets franchise on Nov. 17, 1995 (3-6). New York came away with a 2-1 victory, marking the first time they won in Winnipeg since Nov. 21, 1992 (5-4).

Defenseman Dan Girardi enters the contest ranked second in the NHL in average ice time, logging 27:34 per contest. He has logged 30:00+ of ice time twice this season, including a season-high 31:25 of ice time on Oct. 8 against Anaheim in Stockholm, Sweden.

The Rangers had three players make their Rangers debut in the team’s season opener on Oct. 7 against the Kings – Tim Erixon (NHL debut), Brad Richards (one assist) and Mike Rupp. In addition, defenseman Jeff Woywitka made his Rangers debut on Oct. 15 at Long Island, while defenseman Brendan Bell made his Blueshirts debut on Oct. 22 at Edmonton. Tim Erixon and Brad Richards made their Broadway debut in Thursday’s home opener vs. Toronto.


  • · The Rangers have posted a record of 284-273-93 all-time in the month of October, including a 176-118-48 mark at home and a 108-155-45 record on the road. New York (3-3-2) is scheduled to play 10 games during the season’s opening month in 2011-12, with three games being contested at MSG and seven scheduled on the road.
  • · Legendary Rangers’ defenseman Brian Leetch holds the franchise record for most points in the month of October, having registered 43 goals and 130 assists for 173 career points in the season’s opening month.
  • · The Blueshirts’ all-time leader for most career wins in the month of October is Mike Richter, who registered 40 career wins during the season’s opening month. Henrik Lundqvist has recorded 35 career wins during the month of October.
  • · New York has posted two, seven-game winning streaks in the month of October, winning seven consecutive games during the season’s opening month in 2009-10 (Oct. 3 vs. Ottawa to Oct. 17 at Toronto) and 1988-89 (Oct. 16 vs. Vancouver to Oct. 30 vs. Pittsburgh).

The Rangers are currently 13 wins shy of 2,500 wins, having won 2,487 games all-time in franchise history.

· Brian Boyle: 3 games from 200th NHL career
· Ryan Callahan: 8 games from 300th NHL career
· Steve Eminger: 9 points from 100th NHL career
· Wojtek Wolski: 4 games from 400th NHL career; 9 goals from 100th NHL career

· Brad Richards: 500th career NHL assist (10/20 at CGY)

Marc Staal
 (concussion, IR on 10/5) – 7
Mike Rupp
(knee, 10/24) – 1
Total Man-Games Lost: 18

Oct. 25
 – Assigned defenseman Brendan Bell to Connecticut (AHL)


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  1. Bob Zee Builder on

    Sens always a tough out for us. I wonder if a bad homestand results in at least a small trade.


  2. first game back after a long road trip is always a stinker, so i’m expecting good stuff today! (although i’m not understanding why gabby was dropped to the 4th line.)

    time for Bryan Dubihan to get rolling!

  3. Let’s go Rangers! How about scoring more than 2 goals?

    They did this stuff last season. They’d go long stretches without scoring many goals then would have a couple games where they scored 5 or 6. So, you look at the average goals per game and it makes you think that it wasn’t that bad when really, it was.

    It just goes to prove that adding one player in a team game does not elevate you from also-ran to contender. They need more than Brad Richards.

    I watched the Blackhawks-Hurricanes game last night and even though Chicago has super stars like Toews, Kane, Hossa and Keith they got shut out.

    Simply adding Brad Richards to Marian Gaborik doesn’t make the Rangers an offensive juggernaut. They still need more guys that can score.

    Either that or hope that Lundqvist and Biron stand on their head every game.

  4. This team needs an infusion of coaches and a managing coach who knows how to impart hockey basics to most of these people. They keep making the same stupid mistakes, and bring the same la de da action to their game, night after night and they never seem to learn….and the coach never seems to get it.

  5. Leetchhalloffame on

    Newspaper articles blaming Richards for not fitting with Gabby. Watching the first few games I say it ain’t Richards it’s Gabby – nobody fits with him.

  6. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Gabby is one of the few bright spots this season. Maybe it’s the homegrown. Unless Its grown in northern California or Maui it usually isn’t the chronic.

  7. Roberto F L de O on

    hello boneheads

    loyal reader but dont post much. i will be going to the game this afternoon, i was wondering if somebody could recommend a good, cheap dive-ish type bar near the garden to drink a few before the game.. thanks! LGR!!!

  8. czechthemout!!!! on

    I think it soon maybe time to knock on blue jackets doors and see what it would take to get Rick Nash. Perhaps after game 20 or 25?

    I think a package of AA,MDZ,Ryan Bourque,WW(cap reasons) might get it done. Perhaps adding a second round pick as well.

    The jackets are going nowhere and probably are going to look to dump salary.

    Bottom line is this team needs elite offensive talent and adding someone like Nash to play with Richards might be a better fit. I would even consider switching Dubi for AA if that’s what it takes to get it done.

    Status quo ie not wn option anymore and right no status quo would preferable to what we’ve witnessed in the first 10% of the season.

  9. Robert, Off The Wagon, on MacDougal St. It’s not near MSG, just a quick subway ride to 4 St and it’s 1 block away. Beat the clock today, domestic pics for $4.50, goes up .50 every hour. I don’t work for em just love going there. Was there before the home opener. Alot better than paying $6 for a beer.

  10. Roberto F L de O on

    thanks 22figure8 but since i am pretty much a tourist (from CA, lived in westchester briefly as a child) i am not too familiar with the city and am looking for somewhere walking distance to the garden. also i will probably be a little tipsy would invariably screw up navigating the mta

  11. Roberto – I like the Molly Wee pub – 30th & 8th. It’s also where Dancing Larry gets his dance juice on. Not too divey & the food is good. Otherwise try Stout on 33rd between 7 & 8.


  12. LinCalPrustBoylahan on

    Headin to the airport in a bit, but wanted to check in and say LETS GO RANGERS!!
    22 is not there today so it might be a win. :-)

  13. could you please post the transcript in addition to the audio of post game comments? not all of us can listen to them on our antique technology.

    or, can someone please let me know where is a good site that does still show the transcripts?

  14. LinCalPrustBoylahan on


    Thanks NYR!

    Hope the boys give us a win today, its sorely needed!
    Will try to check in while i am waiting in MD!

  15. Can you imagine if the Rangers players had the same lack of perseverance as all the Negative Nancies, Withering Wilmas and Gilda GiveUps do? I would be a whole lot worse than it is.
    The Rangers will find there way through this -just give them a chance!


  16. Roberto F L de O on

    thanks headzo! dont want to be anywhere near dancing larry so Stout it is!!!

    let’s go rangers!

  17. eddie eddie eddie on

    nyr fan…we can actually win by scoring zero goals…hank just needs to go (-1) and we win zero to negative one

  18. Looks like he’s going to be eating a lot of snow today, eddie3.

    Good morning, boneheads!
    Safe trip, Linda!

  19. eddie eddie eddie on

    james bond, magic wand, wave in the air, grow some hair, christy breaks his chair, when he sits, cherry pits, kate upton’s ti**, matching wits, we are a hoot, zoot suit, toot toot, point is mute, parachute, on the ground, speed of sound, coldplay’s song, lite the bong, ding dong, bang a gong, willie wong, was chinese, i beg you please, on bended knees, bertha wont you come around here anymore……

  20. Carp – re: yesterday. Really, really excited about the live chats. Will we have special guests? (not that you are not special enough)

    Also- give all of our best to Jeff for all he has done. He is like MacGuyver helping us out here.

    and for today – Let’s GO Rangers!

  21. NYR – are we making fun of “mute”? Someone said that a few days back and I thought better of calling them out. In improper RR grammar – “Their not the best at they’re grammare and words choices, to.”

  22. eddie eddie eddie on

    i be back latah…..things to do, betty lou, socks and shoe, true blue, i know you, number 2, is poo poo, drop a duce, full of juice, ‘member don luce?, who is bruce? was a kung fu master, full of disaster, master blaster….gotta go…..time to grow, hurt my toe…..

  23. Didn’t have time to post yesterday at all, sorry…Some highlights from opener- met a couple of boneheads I’ve never met before: Manny, BANJ, Eric. Great people, never expected anything different. And of course, people I’ve met before- Lindzo, mama, CCCP, LW3H (I’m getting better, I know understand 50% of what he says, up from 35%), Noremry and, of course, Carp.

    The game was forgettable, but I’m sure you’ve discussed it ad nauseum

  24. Sorry dde – I forgot to misuse “their” also. Darn it.

    Their is this thing I hate. It’s when talk and there all like misusing words. They’re is nothing worse!

    (that’s all 3. the trifecta!)

  25. Couple things:

    1st – most of you guys on this blog are idiots – this blog is not for your personal but for hockey. I barely come to this site anymore because seriously, half the posts are actually about hockey, and the other half are about your own personal musings that nobody really cares about. Let’s stick to hockey,

    2nd – anyone expecting an instant change with Richards and Gaborick “clicking” is not dealing in reality. Seriously, do any combinations really click over the long haul? Line combinations are highly overrated!

    3rd – Dubinksky is a whiney pansy. THis guy reminds me a bit of Captain Dreary in that he is invisible for long stretches at a time

    4th – THe first few games of the season have been nearly unwatchable! This team will never win over the casual fan…as a huge fan myself, I feel like Im getting close to dropping them out of sheer boredom!

  26. Stranger Nation on

    Ledge dwellers – remember team is .500 with 7 of 8 games on road missing their top two Dmen for the most part.

    They are not cup contenders, but a 500 or better team getting the 7 or 8 spot, possibly 6.

    Problems abound, but they have heart and even some talent. Have not replaced Boogie with 4th Line enforcer – Rupp is probably not that guy. Newbury is definitely not that guy. The MIAvery is not that guy either.

    Sauer is back but without partner who is helping the emperor penguin stay on his skates.

  27. Thanks *Lobster!* Keeping you away is one of the reasons I act like such a moron/idiot! Thanks for being such a huge fan!

    Also – you attempt to shame my @comrades@ for their musings – just to let you know – I am around here a lot and therefore I take a personal interest in the song stylings of eddie, wicky’s panic attack postings, Mama’s cats, Carp’s lawn, ORR’s criminal activity, CCCP’s fantasy leagues, NYR’s bobsled team (which I am on) and etc. etc. etc.

    Nobody puts baby in the corner.

  28. Lobster- a few things:

    1st- we talk about what we feel is important. And it’s mostly hockey. But we’ve made it a real community, and, as long as Carp supports it, we will talk about other stuff. Like gibberish. And jibberish, on occasion, too. Option for you- skip non-hockey related posts.

    2. Have you heard of “The French Connection Line”, “The Production Line”, “The Punch Line”, “GAG Line”, “KLM Line”, LILCO, Legion of Doom…? Should I contniue? So much for line combinations being overrated…

    3. His actual name is Dubinsky. Not sure I can fix much of your statement beyond that…

    4. “A huge fan” and “dropping them” is an oxymoron…

  29. Lobster watch it. You’ll get yourself banned & Carp will actually complain you’re disrespecting him!

    It’s a remarkable thing to see!!!!

    And while the clueless minions unleash their cheapshots on you for daring to emphasize hockey, the Dept. of Behavior will look the other way.

    BTW, whomever suggested looking to deal for Nash, nice thought but not happening.
    Columbus promised him they’d spend more money, not less on the team, when he opted to resign rather than go FA. And they’ve started doing that by bringing in Jeff Carter.

    You’re correct Rangers need a stud like that, but then so does every other team.

  30. Manny – There’s an outlet for all your babbling nonsense: it’s called Facebook, Let’s talk hockey here. Your the kind of guy that spends half his day here, and the other half on facebook. Hiding behind a computer screen your whole day makes you very interesting, and also makes you pretty tough.

  31. Plus it’s going to take quite a bit more than all the unwanted Rangers, plus legit prospects, plus a few first-round picks to get a guy like Nash.

  32. bob The Builder (Not the Bob You are thinking of) on

    damn, rod, you always crawl out like a prustroach when it comes time to lob some vitriol the way of the blogfather. That not be cool. You game is as weak as brendan dubinski. I’d like to trade you for a sprocket flywheel on me 1956 green bean tractor and trade mr. brendan dubinski for a plethora of draft picks.


  33. lobster, the tone of your comments isn’t appreciated. If you did read the blog, you’d know that this is the place on the internet to talk Rangers hockey…if you don’t like it, go to twitter and jack around…

  34. What’s Facebook? Is it like Friendster?

    Good analysis of me! You forgot something though. I also spend a lot of my day on JDate/It’s Just Lunch (my two favorite dating websites). Mostly because I am so socially awkward and disfigured that I need the computer screen to conceal my horrifying looks. I am glad my secret is out here because it was becoming quite an emotional burden, what with the drinking and all.

    I wouldn’t say I am tough. I do lift weights (8 lb.) but I am more into definition than muscles which I think makes me not that tough but pretty fit. I still use my Jack LaLanne tapes on Sunday mornings and Wednesday evenings.

    As far as interesting – I think you overestimate me. Aside from being an avid bobsledder I am not really that interesting. I do enjoy cooking but I mostly boil my food to keep the flavors muted (and I *never* use Tarragon – ask Carp).

  35. Rod, let’s just be honest here. You’ve been banned a few times. You’ve also banned yourself a few times. And, yet, you keep coming back. Do you really like listen to clueless minions, or read gibberish? My guess is that you like the place. Like we all do. No need to read every post, Rod.

    I, for one, would love to have you here. You have good hockey knowledge, and if you’d just avoid attacking people, taking certain things personally, you’d be a great addition to this place.

  36. Cross Check- take a look at the post right after yours. The first two words- and you know it isn’t hockey related

  37. Thanks Bob, for the perfect example of what Im talking about. Moving on….

    Carp, since you’re around, let me say a few things in the hopes of establishing soe sort of peace. You know, it’s two totally different things, what I think of you as a hockey writer/reporter and how you run this blog.

    And I always keep in mind the last thing you or anyone else want to do is spend their time moderating a frickin’ message board, especially with a somewhat unruly mob and a format that by it’s very nature is impossible to stop people from saying what they want, whatever that may be, 24/7.

    But as far as the professional side of covering the team – and I’m aware they have you on all sorts of different beats – you’re one of the best if not the best. Always have been.
    You’re a top notch hockey mind and have always had rock solid reason in just about everything I’ve ever seen you write. And I’ve never said anything to the contrary, nor would I ever disrespect you in that regard.

    Now let me ask you a question that a few friends & I were discussing, because it remains something kind of bubbling under the surface here regarding the Rangers.

    What did you think of Brooks so openly advocating for Avery the way he did (and continues to do)?

    None of us could ever remember a North American hockey writer so blatantly abandoning any journalistic principles whatsoever to opine on whom he thought should be on the team – leaving aside the fact he’s dead wrong on the facts in believing and aging Avery and his big 3 goals could help what is rapidly becoming a hot mess of a hockey team.

    Anyhow, we all thought it was pretty outrageous, and that there was a fair amount of orchestration going on with regard to Avery playing a PR game, perhaps even down to the banners that suddenly appeared upstairs.

    What say you (if anything; I realize he’s a colleague and you might not care to get into it)

  38. Here’s a couple of questions for ya.

    Bourque, Hagelin and any other prospect now playing for the Whate. Why are they there? Is it because they need more experience or because of something else? Will playing at the NHL level stunt their development because they won’t get as many minutes as they would in the AHL?

    What if they brought up two guys and replaced EC and WW with a couple of those type of guys? Would they keep the Rangers from winning? Or, would their hustle sometimes make up for rookie mistakes and by next season they will not be at the point where they “need to jell” or “get used to the speed of the NHL” or any of those other excuses?

    Can somebody back Torts into a corner and ask him what the hartnell he sees in a lump of carcillo of a player like Christensen? I mean, really? How does this guy have a job in the NHL?

  39. this place needs a convincing Rangers win *BADLY*

    Lobster, STFU, cookehole.

    ~Morg~ internet toughguy

  40. Rod, first, thank you for the kind words. And I somewhat understand the feeling toward this blog, and I have given out second- and third- chances to some people, and I think I have a little more tolerance for regulars, many of whom I’ve gotten to know a little bit.

    Also, as for the gibberish (jibberish), that’s kind of what makes the traffic on this blog so much bigger than that of all the other blogs, and thus more successful in that area. I also happen to think a lot of it is hilarious, and tend to practice some jibberish (gibberish) myself.

    And before I get off that soapbox, people who want to talk only hockey, there are plenty of other blogs where they talk nothing but hockey. If that’s what people want, I suggest they go there, and I’m not being disrespectful there. I just think, if you don’t like this place, why come here?

    As for the other question, it’s kind of difficult for me to talk about that. Let’s put it this way: It’s certainly not the first time in journalism history that something like that has happened, and people do have agendas … Not saying he does. Saying it happens. Not saying it’s right, either.

  41. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hey knob-ster – slather some butter in pan with a nice Chardonnay… jump in and you would taste delicious

  42. Stranger Nation on

    Cross Check – they are there to develop playing top 6 minutes, not playing 6 minutes on 4th line. Viewing their play in pre-season, no-one looked they were ready to light it up, which is what this team really needs.

    Hagelin and Borque are similar players – very fast on skates, good forecheckers, but very much undersized for the big leagues – between the two, Borque has better hands and feel than Hags IMHO. If the NHL (No Hitting League) continues down this path, they may be future all stars.

    They people being paid the money, need to start earning it – plain and simple – that includes Wusskie – who is a joke – Dubi and Cally.

  43. Ilb,

    I won’t totally disagree with your assessment.

    And Cross Check, others are saying the same thing, but it basically involves promoting the entire line down in Htfd of Zuc/Mitchell/Hagelin. And signing Stralman, who wants over $2m bucks. That seems like the best “cheap way” out, if they can’t swing any big deals.

    And people are starting to question Torts with regard to reading offenses, and their choice of preferring to cycling versus an actual, you know, offense.

    He had the horses in TB so was never really put to the test in this regard.

    Don’t forget how quick Torts and Co. were to send Christian Thomas back to juniors.
    Could he possibly have made their PP any worse? Please.

    The kid could’ve been getting acclimated to NHL life right now and been a real creative help to this time, even with limited minutes. And he’d hit the goddamn net!

    Instead he’s fending off OHL goons and getting 10-game suspensions.

    Look at almost half the “offense” Torts advocated for, HUGE practical zeroes all around; Christensen, Fedotenko, Wolski, Newbury, Rupp, all while jumbling the rest of his lineup so much they don’t know which way is up!

  44. Re: Larry Brooks.

    I think the Post does a bad job of letting people know what is an opinion column and what is a report. The formatting is the same. When Brooks goes off like that it’s an opinion column. I see no problem with advocating for a player in an opinion column even if I disagree with it.

    The only problem that I have with Brooks is that sometimes he give his opinion on what the Rangers should do then later takes the opposite side.

  45. I don’t really have a problem with Brooks being such an advocate for Avery, though him having a part in orchestrating the banner is a stretch.

    Seems fairly clear that the two rely on each other to some extent, but I don’t see anything particularly insidious. Brooks doesn’t exactly position himself as “just” a beat reporter and Avery gives him plenty of ammunition, directly and indirectly, to take aim at Bettman and the league.

  46. Isn’t the NY Post essentially a gossip rag or Enquirer sort of publication? I think “shock & awe” is their modus operandi.

  47. SN – so my question is this: Is playing top 6 minutes against inferior competition better than playing 4th line minutes against NHL competition? Plus, will these guys be any worse than EC and WW?

  48. Christian Thomas is on EL SR contract, there was no way he’d stay here beyond 9 games anyway. I believe that Bourque/Hagelin will be here soon enough, especially if this discombobulated offense continues. The idea, of course, was to give them more playing minutes, not 6-7 per.

    On Brooks- I have no clue about his motives, but I’ve noticed the same ever since Sean’s suspenion was over in 2009. Larry openly advocated for the team to get him back. “Hurry up, Sean, hurry up!” were his words. On the other hand, Brooks also wrote this:

  49. Stranger Nation on

    Cross Check – most teams prefer to have their kids develop down on the farm unless they are ready to play or the team has nothing to play for. The latter strategy seems to have some support which has merit if you believe there really isn’t an opportunity to build a program unless you have top 5 picks. So, in order to move ahead, one must fall all the way down. Others successful franchises (Det RWs for one) have been able to compete at the highest level and draft well, which keeps the cupboard stocked and limits the need to spend $$ on UFAs.

    Question #1 – Is the wait of being a just better than .500 team (6 – 10 seed) if the farm does not have the talent to move us to the next level (1 – 5 seed)?

    Question #2 – If the wait is not worth it – do you unload now and extend the wait another 4 years by getting (hopefully) top picks?

    What if Kreider, McIlrath and others are not top players? If is the middle word in life.

  50. Stranger- Q2 isn’t happening. Not in NY. Not to mention that *IF* could be easily applied to all the potential top picks they would get. That, actually, answers Q1, I think.

  51. I hope that Kreider is the missing link on the top line….the kid can skate and is very big…so he’ll be in the NHL, just not sure if he’s top line talent…he hasn’t impressed me with gaudy stats in college but NHL scouts love the kid…

  52. The whole business of a prospect being better off in the minors or junior rather than getting limited minutes is a bit bogus.

    There’s not only nothing so terrible about force-feeding certain guys (look at Erixon, for example), but every other NHL team seems to have no problem bringing in their 18 & 19-yr olds.

    To say there wouldnt have been enough minutes for Thomas isn’t exactly right either, because look who’s getting them! Christensen?! Newbury?! Wolski @ 14 mins?! Cmon.

    No reason Thomas couldn’t have started as a PP specialist with some minimal ice, then you never know what happens. Guys get hurt, guys suck (see Dubinsky, Brandon), opportunities present themselves.

    But the biggest thing no one talks about is getting to travel with & practice with the team every day.

    Instead of shooting on some 17-year old goalie, you’re shooting on Lundqvist, if you can get it past Girardi first.

    Thomas got to play exactly one pre-season game. It was pre-determined, by Torts.
    Just like w/Avery haha…

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