Islanders in trouble? Arena vote favoring “No”


As I knocked off for the night, the latest Nassau County vote totals weren’t looking good for the Islanders and their proposed new $400 million arena development. Associated Press was predicting a victory for the “no” votes. Turnout was disappointingly low.

According to Newsday:

Shortly before 11 p.m., with 406 of 1,160 precincts reporting, the “yes” vote was 17,472 and the “no” vote, 23,812, elections officials said.


Rendering of the proposed new arena from the New York Islanders.

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  1. 4ever

    I guess i didnt say it tright…I was not blaming Avery…Frolov should have kept his mouh shut, period. The way he said it, you can see how easy it was taken out of the context. You have to explain what you mean when you talk about things like that, especially when interviewed by a Russian newspaper.

    Now, I rest my case on this subject.

    Godfather is starting again.

    “You can act like a man! [slap] What’s the matter with you?”

  2. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    The Don ” I don’t want his mother to see him like this….. Look how they massacerd my boy”

  3. JimboWoodside on

    Hahaha, ORR – well, Darren and Charles might actually know each other, who knows!?

    Wang needs to go out and get a *stiff* drink after seeing the results of this vote…

  4. It will be sad. History of the club is building painfully, long and with countless efforts, but could disappear in instant. It’s not unlike death. …and a great deal of emptiness, even if it’s your fierce opponent, who was gone.

  5. Nassau county sucks. I just want this to be over so I dont have to hear about it for the next 4 years. Oh well. Look at the bright side Fish fans- Nabokov is going to report

  6. JimboWoodside on

    People are still thinking that the team might possibly move into the Barclay’s Center in Brooklyn – or to some yet-to-be-built arena in Queens…..near Citi Field…but the Wilpons are broke, so who’s gonna build an arena there?

  7. Wang, Shmang…galls me. What a bunch of pathetic losers, this so called organization and btw, this anemic citizens of not so great Nassau, who don’t understand long term advantages. Such a shame!

  8. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    …speaking of chinese menus…i saw a werewolf walking thru the streets of soho in the rain…

  9. JimboWoodside on

    They couldn’t have at least waited until September or October to hold this referendum? Who the heck even thinks about voting in August!?

    It it were held in the fall, at least there might have been some “buzz” about the new season starting….they have an improving team……just seems like a terrible time to have the vote to me…

  10. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    jimbo – Islander fans have no idea when the season starts anyway……honestly, do you any Islander fans?

  11. Was it any truth in Grabner – Green trade, or just another boredom hoax? I didn’t see anywhere.

  12. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    who would ever admit to being a fishstick fan?…or Devils fan for that matter?……how on earth does one become a fan of either of those teams?….

  13. JimboWoodside on

    People out in Nassau County are paying an ENORMOUS amount of taxes – it is one of the highest taxed counties in America…people are losing their homes because they can’t afford to pay the outrageous property taxes in Nassau – and to ask them to pay more taxes to fund a sports arena at this particular point in time was a terrible thing to do.

  14. JimboWoodside on

    I know a few of them, Eddie…..a surly, bitter lot they are…..and still always thinking that their team is better than the Rangers!! They’re delusional!

  15. Kansas City already renamed local Main St. to Brighton Beach of Kansas and build welcome arch for unseen Russians: Yashin, Nabokov, Kirill Kabanov and grizzly bear with balalaika.

  16. Jimbo,
    I’m very familiar with that and share your Just Anger, trust me. But they were talking about $28 per person per year burden. C’mon…

  17. I just will miss this high negative emotions and sacred hatred with just seeing their uniform.
    It’s like getting high at least 6 times in 8 month.

  18. JimboWoodside on

    I understand that, 4Ever – but let’s face it – a *lot* of people couldn’t care less about hockey, and Long Island is not a big sports venue. It never has been, except for that run that the Isles had in the 1980’s.

    It wasn’t all that much to ask of the people of Nassau, but they just don’t care, apparently.

  19. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Kansas City Scouts, Kansas City A’s, Kansas City Kings, – oh joy, here comes yet another failed Kansas City franchise, not even counting the Royals, who couldn’t draw a mud pie in a pig pen.

    Disgusting, this giving minor league towns major league franchises – Columbus, Nashville, someplace in Carolina, before that Hartford, now this? Why don’t they just move this team to Barcelona and start the NHL European Division, there? Barcelona Islanders, Toledo Hurricanes, Madrid Blue Jackets, Seville Predators, how about it, Gary? Works for me. And you can pay the players in old pesetas.

  20. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    With the Islanders moving can the league just rescind Clark Gilles’ place in the HOF, now?

  21. JimboWoodside on

    I hear you – I will feel a little bad if the team leaves the area, but only because it is still a professional hockey team (despite how they’ve been run for years), and I’m a diehard hockey fan.

    I won’t shed a tear for their fans, though…..they suck!

  22. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Just hope they take Billy Smith west with them, if he is still alive. He sure tried to slice, dice, and disfigure NHL forwards for a living for all those years.

  23. JimboWoodside on

    How in God’s name did Gillies get in the HOF!? How did that travesty possibly happen?

  24. Hey, ORR, you bloodthirsty fanatic,
    It’s not noble – don’t kick your opponent in groin, when he is down… target the head, it’s more effective for both of you.

  25. JimboWoodside on

    Billy Smith – bad sportsman…would never shake hands at the end of playoff series…no class!

    Actually, I’m surprised that the Phlyers didn’t somehow pry Smith from the Islanders – he would have been a quintessential Philthy-type player…

  26. Years ago Kansas used to be a dry State. The young kids from Wichita who drove, would go over the State line to Oklahoma and buy booze and come back across the border…sometimes they;d get caught, and sometimes they knocked themselves off driving drunk.

  27. The White Plains Batman on

    It’s crazy to think that two moves 1. The Nets trading Dr. J and 2. John Pickett signing that TV/Arena deal back in 1985 will have taken sports away from Long Island.

    I’m speechless that this didn’t pass.

    The problem with the Islanders becoming the Brooklyn Peninsulas is that Barclays is tiny, like small than Winnipeg and Columbus tiny, and it’s going to be inconvenient for people from the Island to consistently get to games out there.

    The only real alternative is somewhere in Suffolk like Islip but that’s fairly far out.

    I don’t know. It’s not looking too good.

  28. I’d vote No also…in the state of affairs this country is in, I’m surprise the yes votes were as high as they were! Hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for what?

  29. The thinking on public financing of stadiums such as Nassau Colliseum revolves around the resulting economic development…I don’t think Mr. Wang made his case, and the current tax burden and economic downturn have not helped convince voters. What about the new Nets stadium at Atlantic Yards? While I am against the Atlantic Yards development as a whole, perhaps we could have the new New Yawk Motamen…some good Daily News headlines about “punching out” the opposition when the train runs on time.

  30. I never understand why developers or public entities try to pass these referendums in a down economy. Even if Wang could show the long-term benefit of building a public-financed stadium, it’s not going to change the fact that people are ailing now.

    Personally, I think the best bet is for the Islanders to move to Barclays. Even if the arena is small, it’s no smaller than the Coliseum, which seats a little over 16,000 for games. The Coliseum is simply a travesty. It’s literally located in the middle of nowhere. You can’t take a train there, meaning you have to walk a mile to the stadium from wherever you park. Then when you’re leaving, good luck with the traffic. Barclays solves all that because it’s basically connected to railroad hub.

    The other alternative that would make a lot of people north of the Island happy would be to boot the Islanders up to Hartford, where they’ve been mulling a private-funded stadium complex for years. Without an NHL team though, the project has kind of languished. Hartford fans would relish a shot at getting the Whalers back, especially if the team has Tavares, Okposo, Neideriter and Moulson in their primes.

    If the Islanders move to Kansas City, the NHL will officially supplant wrestling as the biggest joke sport on the planet.

  31. The vote would have gone better had that bus full of Canadiens (Quebec City Nordique’s fans) who invaded once driven down and voted!

  32. Doodie Machetto on

    Please. As much as I would LOVE to see the Islanders relocated outside of NY (Quebec, KC, Vegas, hell even Atlanta again), there’s no way that they end up out of NY. They will either be in Queens or in Brooklyn with the Nets.

  33. I will start a movement “Keep The Islander out of My Borough” (Brooklyn). Please keep them out of there.

  34. Doodie Machetto on

    I’ll probably be out of Brooklyn by then, so I’m not that concerned with it.

  35. there are lots of extremely wealthy individuals in Nassau County. No reason why the Islanders can’t get an investment group together to finance an arena without using private funds…

  36. I think it’s a question of whether those wealthy individuals care. Unless they are invested in the Nassau area (commercially) why would they want to see a team with 12 season ticket holders remain? To invest and rebuild a fan base would be a brutal task.

  37. Gift of GAB-orik on

    I find it sad that some of the people who shot this plan down while crying about a tax increase ( which would have ranged between $16 and $54 A YEAR ) are the same people drinking 2 cups of Starbucks a day, and driving $80,000 cars or more.

    Nassau residents will cough up $6 a month to pay the increase in netflix charges… but not that same amount to save the Nassau Coliseum project and put income and revenue back into the county.

    2600 Jobs lost if the Coliseum shuts down, no concerts, no events, millions of dollars lost for the county. It’s a shame most of Nassau is so short sighted.

    I understand some feel that Wang can pay for it himself… but it’s mostly county owned land, why should a private citizen pay millions of dollars to put a building on county owned land?

  38. Maybe they see the Coliseum as an Eyesore and they see the traffic it brings (during concerts of course) as a hassle. I bet many of them are happy to see it gone. Everyone I have known in that area is annoyed at the site of that decrepit building, not in a way where they want to fix it but in a way where they want it gone. Put in a high-end shopping mall instead, I am sure more people will care about that.

  39. Gift of GAB-orik on

    Those same morons would probably vote yes for a Roosevelt field to open there instead of a sports arena. Jackwagons.

    One voter, who voted no, was quoted as saying ” Why should we waste tax money on a hockey team? ”

    That’s a big part of the issue… they made it more about the Islanders then the revenue potential for the county. People may not care about the Islanders, but people go to Concerts there, they will go to the circus, or carnival events, and things like that.

  40. Yeah but private finance would probably require Wang ceding over some amount of ownership. Not to mention the Isles are a pretty tough sell to any buyer right now given the quality of the organization. Also, a new arena can only provide so much extra revenue. Granted, the lease at the Coliseum is so terrible that even a simple renegotiation of the current lease that would allow the Isles to take a cut of concessions and parking would create a small trickle of revenue as opposed to the dry well they have now. A real cash cow would be if they were able to launch a regional cable network instead of piggybacking on MSG. But considering how low hockey draws in general, let alone a 3rd tier team like the Isles that’s a pipedream.

  41. Gift of GAB-orik on

    The sad truth is, most people can’t appreciate what they have until they lose it. Are the same people who voted no, going to complain if the Coliseum closes and their taxes go up anyway?


  42. Manny, Uniondale isn’t exactly the target demographic for high end retail. Besides they have a couple of malls in Manhasset and Garden City.

  43. Gift of GAB-orik on

    Good points CTB.

    It’s hard to gain leverage for a floundering franchise. The team stinks, the attendence levels are terrible, and there is no reason to think they will be good in the very near future. Stranger things have happened though.

    I commend Wang for trying to make it work on Long Island. He’s losing what, tens of millions of dollars of his own money year after year… and keeps trying to make it work. The Lighthouse project would have been great for Nassau, and the county pissed all over it.

    The truth is, it seems the bigshots in the county government don’t want people developing their land, and it’s going to waste.

  44. The biggest thing the county losses out on is more tax revenue and jobs. Unless a new project is started up, Nassau just dropped the ball on improving their area and commercially developing an eyesore of land and space…

    By the way, when the lease is up….aren’t they going to tear down the Colisseum anyway? Isn’t that going to cost $$? Who’s going to pay for that?? Oh yeah! The taxpayers! Because by then Wang will have already sold the team…

  45. Gift of GAB-orik on

    It would be a boost to Uniondale to get new, higher end commercial opportunities. As it stands, the decaying Coliseum sort of sums up the outlook of Uniondale given it’s current path.

  46. The Isles have the potential to be VERY good 3-5 years from now depending on how well their prospects pan out…

  47. Eh, I’m not a huge believer that new stadiums uplift the entire community. The Bronx is still the Bronx and Flushing is still Flushing post-new baseball stadiums.

  48. “I find it sad that some of the people who shot this plan down while crying about a tax increase ( which would have ranged between $16 and $54 A YEAR ) are the same people drinking 2 cups of Starbucks a day, and driving $80,000 cars or more. ”

    It’s simple. They get enjoyment out of their coffee, luxury cars or Netflix. They’re just saying (with their votes) I don’t watch that sad sack hockey team. I don’t care if they move or fold. I’m not going to pay for something that I don’t get any enjoyment out of.

  49. Yeah, the Isles have good young talent in their system. They will def be good soon…

    Whatever…I’d rather them stay in LI…I don’t think it’s cool that Oklahoma City wants an NHL team…

    I just hope they don’t go to Queens…

  50. Gift of GAB-orik on

    I hear ya, but they will pay one way or another. The sad truth is the taxpayers will face a hike regardless.

  51. CT,
    Exactly. This place will not be transformed. It will just be a better arena where Wang will get control of it, and put this risk on the people of Suffolk. If you look through the history of these public deals, it always ends up the taxpayer picking up the tab. I could go into specific instances, one of which was the original Giants Stadium I believe. The buzz is “Generate TAX DOLLARS” “The COMMUNITY gets richer”. Sell it to the naive. What ever happened to the days when a wealthy entrepreneur would use/get his own capital to start or improve a business? This will only be Wang getting rich with the risk spread to the taxpayers. Let him move. If Nassau County is so damaged by the move when Phoenix craps the bed, let them move to L.I. and rename themselves the Islanders. THEN they can tell the taxpayers how much $$$ they lost. And at that point, the taxpayers can say,” OK, we will pay.”

  52. Gift of GAB-orik on

    It’s a lose-lose scenario.

    Voters get angry when they have no say what private developers do in their communities. Buildings go up all the time, traffic gets worse, places get more congested… but life goes on.

    I agree that building a new arena isn’t a miracle fix-all for Nassau County… but it seems to be a better alternative then losing the only major sports franchise on Long Island, and having the arena close, get demolished, or whatever.

    Like the team or not, the building generates revenue for the county, revenue they will lose if the team leaves, and they will face higher taxes to offset the difference anyway.

    Until the next project comes along, that the voters have no say in, and the land gets used however the county sees fit.

    Which, judging by it’s track record, will NOT be helpful to the taxpayer.

    So… pick your poison.

  53. Thanks, CT. I don’t know much about that area. Just drove through it a few times.

    I agree with you that Stadiums do not uplift a city. Sim City 2000 and the original Sim City really lied to us all in that regard.

  54. Gift of GAB-orik on

    And let’s look at this from the other side… if you are Charles Wang, and you’ve already lost millions of dollars in that crap arena… why would you sink your own money into putting a building on land you don’t own?

  55. For anyone that may not understand, Wang was supposed to pay for all of this himself. Muni bonds were just being used to finance the deal…

    There was no guarantee that taxes would go up significantly… if at all….

    Scare tactics (such as warning of huge tax hikes) were used by politicians on Long Island to make this vote fail…

  56. Gift of GAB-orik on

    Good thing Nassau county only has a $180 million dollar budged deficit. Clearly they make sound decisions…. oh wait… NIFA makes their decisions now.

  57. Well at least Nassau will get to be the recipient of Brian Rolston’s disposable income.

  58. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I nominate the Isles as one of the two franchises the NHL is going to be disbanding in 2-3 years, when the salary cap is lowered and the league goes to four divisions of seven teams. That is the blueprint, as of now. So why all this dilemma as to what to do with the Isles franchise? The question now should be which franchise fades into the sunset with them. I would like to see one of the Ohio State Bluejackets or Music City Predators or Phoenix Ashes franchises fold its tent, with the the other two relocating to Quebec City, Saskatoon, wherever. If the new Winnipeg franchise becomes financially strong, that could set a north of the border relocation trend in motion.

    Where the hell does it say that this league cannot get by with fewer than 30 teams?

  59. Gift of GAB-orik on

    And they have 11 more years of DiPietro hip surgery… so the local doctors and physical therapy offices should be busy.

  60. I think any idea of contraction involving the league will be physically impossible until Brodeur leaves. Only so narrow you can make the doorways and entrances onto the ice.

  61. I dunno. Maybe I see things too simplistically. But I would not vote to give even $28 or $6 more in taxes each month to a millionaire so he can get richer in his business. He wants to own the team and reap the profits of owning that team in a new building, let him pay for the building.

    Good morning, Sally!

  62. “A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I’m a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald… striking. So, I’m on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one – big hitter, the Lama – long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice. “

  63. Boom Boom, you know where it says that? NBC, that’s were. They want franchises in as many US TV markets as possible, and don’t really care if those franchises are profitable or competitive.

  64. Carp, how many times have any of the less popular franchises been on NBC or the soon to be renamed VS? Their coverage is overwhelmingly tilted to the Rangers, Penguins, Flyers, Caps, Red Wings, Bruins and Blackhawks. The only way the Isles and the Devils make it onto the national cable/network broadcast is if they’re playing one of the aforementioned teams or are in the playoffs.

  65. CT, I’m not defending the thinking, just stating it. NBC doesn’t want Nashville because it wants the Predators on TV. It wants Nashville because it’s a decent-sized TV market, where people might watch a hockey game if it’s on NBC … and are less likely to watch it if there is no NHL team in that town.

    No way NBC wants these small-market teams on its games … unless they’re playing Sidney.

  66. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Say what you will about fatboy Marty…the skid could still swallow him whole with those puffy ballon lips ….

  67. Carp,

    I don’t know if that plan works. You can get fans into the sport by having a local team, but you really want them to follow the big name teams or teams with stars?

  68. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    USA today is reporting that a seventh hair has joined crosby’s impressive man stash….all in an attempt to hide those giant saucer lips.

  69. Carp
    I’m with you 100%!
    owners make money on the backs of the taxpayers…I’m ecstatic the Nassau population finally woke up! Now if only the rest of the country would do the same!
    Stimulate the local economy…give me a break!

  70. LOL! We shouldn’t have to pay for anything. The goverment and rich people should provide for everyone. Public financing makes rich people richer!! Finance doesn’t work. Muni bonds are really only a means to make greedy Charles Wang steal from the taxpayers!! Free markets don’t work!!


  71. well i live in nassau county and ihave to tell you when i went to vote last night at 830 30 mins before close there were only 188 people out of 1150 that were signed up to vote in my polling area.

    i for one voted yes but didnt lose sleep at all.

    by the way rangers 2012 cup champs. you heard it here first

  72. I agree with Doodie. No way do the Islanders leave New York. And I’ll go a step further and say no way do they become the franchise that vanishes due to contraction. I think the only thing that will change with the Islanders is their home. While it’s a joke of a franchise now, it’s been decades of mismanagement that have lead to their current status.

    But judging by their surge at the end of last season(without Mark Streit), I suspect the Islanders won’t be a joke for long. Even if DiPhtheria can’t tend goal, they’ll have a nice tandem between Nabokov and Montoya. They’ve certainly got some nice pieces in the farm system.

  73. come see the 2012 cup champs

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  74. CT, I don’t agree with the plan. I’m just stating the way it works in the minds of TV execs … who wag the whole dog, as you know.

    and, yes, I think the shot-callers think Predators fans want to see Skid and Ovechkin. They think Rangers fans give a carcillo about the stars of other teams. they are clueless, and my favorite exampe was one night at MSG when Mario Lemieux was a game-time scratch due to injury and the place erupted when it was announced.

  75. I got you one NYR. I shouldn’t be telling everyone but an APC is the prize for the Lunch Contest.

  76. I’m sure I attended a game at MSG when the announcement of Tom Poti as a scratch due to injury cause the place to erupt too.

  77. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Tom Potty should have won at least 3 Norris trophys. Pure politics deprived him.

  78. Citi Field cost approx. $610 million dollars. The Mets paid $420 million dollars…so NY residents picked up $190 million dollars…Complete crap.
    Yankee Stadium approx. 2.3 BILLION insane freakin dollars…with taxpayer picking up half.

    If the Islanders move, I agree it will be local.

  79. That is my point Staal Wart! We pay for everything. Then i have to pay insane prices to go to any of these places!

  80. I’ve got some time to kill and I’m getting more pissed off the more I dig into this…

    Check this crap out…
    My 12:31 post is wrong…

    Yankee Stadium…
    estimated cost: $930 million or $930,000,000.00 for the “visual folks”
    final cost: $2.3 billion or $2,300,000,000.00
    TAXPAYER: $1.19 billion $1,190,000,000.00

    Citi Field…
    estimated cost…600 million or $600,000,000.00
    final cost…830 million or $830,000,000.00
    TAXPAYER cost…614.3 million or 614,300,000.00

    Prudential Arena or the Pebble
    estimated cost: $310 million or $310,000,000.00
    final cost: $467.5 million or $467,500,000.00
    TAXPAYER: $311.5 million or $311,000,000.00

    Meadowlands Stadium
    estimated cost: $800 million or $800,000,000.00
    final cost: $1.6 billion $1,600,000,000.00
    TAXPAYER: This is seriously a WTB MOMENT!!! Officially, none. However, the State of New Jersey is funding approximately $400 million in road improvements and rail links, and is paying for the remaining debt on Giants Stadium at a cost of $100 million.

    Manny, I’m with you!
    Seriously…government is destroying us. Who is “negotiating” these deals? WTB?!!! I don’t even like the Devils, yet I am shelling out for their stupid arena.
    The OLD Meadowlands is still costing me money!!…huh…really?…and we’re ok with this? I’m paying for an old stadium that is a pile of rubble…
    Nice work Nassau!!!!!!

  81. Oh wow Staal Wart. That is incredible (incredibly depressing). These teams make so much flipping money AND they do NOTHING for the people that fund this stadium! AAAAHHHHHHH. How does this stuff get passed? Why don’t they employ more people???

    And it’s not JUST stadiums. I grew up in New London, CT. We “got” Pfizer to put a huge corporate office in New London. The Development Corporation of New London loved the idea. They tore down an entire neighborhood through eminent domain (displacing hundreds of elderly polish residents), built a massive headquarters on the water (subsidized of course by the city a/k/a taxpayers) and then opened up only to shut down operations last year. I happened to be Head Chef of a restaurant at the time and was able to attend meetings. The piece of land given to Pfizer was given Tax Free (and was the LAST piece of available taxable land in New London). The city then started increasing taxes and using the revenue to fix up the roads for this multi-billion dollar operation. My main beef was that NONE of the employees came from New London or were required to live in New London. Investors dumped money into high rise units to spruce the place up that were never inhabited. The PHD scientists lived far from the office and the lower level staff was brought in from elsewhere. Thus, if benefited my town NONE. AAAHHH RANTING. Sorry

    Louis: This is it! This is the sign!
    Janine Melnitz: Yeah, it’s a sign, all right – “Going out of business”.

  82. Oh yea…when I was younger. It’s really no big deal. I am sure most of you could defeat my skills using only a microwave and spatula.

  83. Much as I would love to see the Whalers back in the NHL in Hartford, my mind tells me uh uh..the fan base. It’s almost 100% suburban rather than urban. Greater Hartford is more attuned to basketball and football, than hockey. And Hartford proper is a very small city and has twin monsters looming fore and aft of them called Rangers and .Bruins. Kansas eh…oh what a prospect THAT is.

    1st cousin to Oklahoma, you know “where the wind comes a sweepin’o’er the plain”….oh does it ever! ( And don’t forget, only the newcomers to that section of the midwest do NOT have storm cellars in the ground behind the house. I could imagine the Isles to moving their team, but to KANSAS? What a mess.

  84. Gift of GAB-orik on

    Those numbers make the Coliseum deal look like a bargain… and yet, Nassau killed it. If the lousy Mutts, err, Mets, can get a new stadium for their lousy team… the Isles should get one too!

  85. Gift of Gab…
    Tax payers are sick and tired of funding stupid, unnecessary projects like an arena. People are having a hard time filling cars with gas and putting food on the table. I don’t care if an arena cost me an extra 50bucks a year I don’t want it. I gain absolutely nothing. I find it hard to believe that people give me grief to pay for there OWN healthcare, yet they have no problem paying for what amounts to entertainment. Entertainment doesn’t fill my gut and it doesn’t heat my home.

  86. That’s only because they have a Shake Shack at Citi CCCP. Believe me, you put a Shake Shack in Nassau and it would be a packed house every night…oh wait considering the Isles don’t get a share of concessions I guess it solves nothing. Guess they’ll have to stay with the Fishsticks.

  87. Staal Wart,
    Glad you dug those numbers up. People are so naive. Why do you think these big shots do this? BECAUSE THEY CAN!!! The Nassau voters should be LAUDED for their foresight. This is nothing but a B.S. ploy by Wang to sneak one by the taxpayers with a weird Aug. 1 vote, hoping that all the unemployed Isles fans would show up and vote it in.

    Sadly, this is not the end. They will try an end around move, where this comes up again and again, until it gets rammed down their throat, or people get tired of going to the polls to fight it.

    Stall Wart, in your research, did you find the city that actually voted this kind of deal down, yet STILL had to fund a stadium with taxpayer $$$? I think it was the new Marlin Stadium. It was voted down, yet the scumbags in power got it through.

    Look it up.

  88. cw, I think Sun Life Stadium is different because it’s home to the Dolphins, Marlins and University of Miami.

  89. LOL! Tax money is being used to finance the building of the these stadiums…

    Any tax dollars used are paid back WITH INTEREST!!

    Does that make any difference? And isn’t Citi Field OWNED by the City?

  90. However that shouldn’t matter, the more teams/owners would mean more money to build!…but nah, pass it on to the poor schleps…

  91. After watching Mike Stanton’s grand slam last night I’d say Citi Field is owned by the Marlins.

  92. NYR_FAN,
    paid back? What planet are you living on? lol
    Who do they pay back? I’ve certainly never received a check!
    And financed money still comes out of my pocket…if they pay the state back its still our money!
    Imagine, no stadium…the money is still in my pocket. I’d never have to hand it over to bureaucrat morons who couldn’t give a rats behind about me, and who spend my money on really really stupid things.
    I know that if I was spending someone else’s money I wouldn’t care how much things cost or whether things were “wise” purchases

  93. NYR_FAN,
    The old Giant Stadium left the taxpayers with a $100,000,000. Oh, sure they collected tax from the stadium, but they were supposed to get that AND get paid back. The same thing would have happened in Nassau.

    If this was such a slam dunk, and such a money maker Wang would build the damned thing himself. But he knows it will cost double, and he knows he could pin it on taxpayers. Take your team to KC Mr. Wang. They already built you a nice arena.

  94. Jurgen Klinsmann is the new U.S. Men’s National Soccer Team coach! Very interesting choice! I like it! Finally someone with European perspective of the game!

  95. Wang tried to build and fund the Lighthouse Project privately. The head officer of the Town of Hempstead denied the project.

  96. Yeah CCCP he’s still got American players to deal with. That’s the real problem.

  97. @CCCP@ – You said “European perspective”

    That should read ” *Europansy* Perspective”

  98. I reckon it was Wang’s proposal to sign every construction worker to a 15-year contracts and make Al Montoya the project manager that put most voters off.

  99. I’ve never purchased crack, but Hempstead bus station ranks pretty high on my list of places of been that I think there was a better than 50/50 chance of having the opportunity to acquire some.

  100. >>Jurgen Klinsmann is the new U.S. Men’s National Soccer Team coach! Very interesting choice!
    >>I like it!

    At the end of the day, he’ll make no difference because he won’t have the dynamic players he’d like. The US will still play their basic football that’s only good enough to beat teams in the CONCACAF region.

  101. Even a better chance than Newark LW? Or did you scare off all the crack dealers after you destroyed the men’s room at the Pebble?

  102. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    crack is a good substitute when I am out of coffee…..wakes you right up, and quick

  103. I was talking about the structure of a municipal bond, Staal. Bonds are essentially securitized debts. People (ordinary folks) who buy the bonds are lending the money for development and paid back with interest….

  104. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (The she/it on our D is sofa king SOFT!!!) on

    Afternoon ILB and all!!

    If they move the fishies, I hope it is to hamilton (they could be the jr franchise there as well), not kansas city. Of course if they went to KC, then common sense would put them in the western conference. Like I said previously, I want a team in QC soooo bad, but if it is the fishies, man I just don’t know…

  105. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (The she/it on our D is sofa king SOFT!!!) on

    Did you guys read the two prospect park links (sorry orr) from whackamole—>??

    there was one on the young d men and one on forwards that were pretty interesting

  106. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (The she/it on our D is sofa king SOFT!!!) on

    off to work, later assens!!

  107. Who was talking about Craig Muni bonds before?

    Newark seemed overrated to me, CT. I managed to walk in completely the wrong direction for five minutes on leaving Prudential Center the first time I went there and didn’t get shot or anything.

  108. Rafael Palmiero used both roids and Viagra in the late 90s and early 2000s. His love life is in shambles right now…

  109. Invest in barry bonds and your fund doubles in size every year. Wait, I’m confusing “funds” with “head”, aren’t I?

  110. Thanks NYR_FAN.
    I was talking taxes. If people want to “invest” via bonds thats fine, but also totally different.

  111. Oh and by the way, I’m not a “money” guy. I can barely balance my checkbook…and by barely I mean not at all.

  112. No doubt, Staal. I agree with your stance on taxes. In NYC, we pay too much as it is!!

  113. Russia will get over it. The price of insuring against default on 5 year Russian debt has dropped from the low 160s to the low 140s the past month.

  114. CT and JBytes

    Klinsmann is the man! He brings a totally different vision and style of play. Different style of play can bring different results. I think he can help a lot with the youth, which i think is the main idea here.

  115. Yankee Stadium, to me, is the biggest offender. They rant and rave how the Steinbrenners paid for it. Yeah, well, taxpayers paid plenty and now most taxpayers can’t afford to go to the games, and if you are lucky enough to pony up and go to a game, there’s a moat so that the upper-middle class and the somewhat rich can’t socialize or get close to the filthy rich. And it’s going to be more and more expensive every year that it stands. They print money there, and still the taxpayers face a burden from their new, unneeded palace.

  116. I don’t know CCCP, I think there’s still a pretty considerable gap in talent between the US players and the top teams from the rest of the world. I mean very few of the guys on the USMNT get any meaningful playing time in the top leagues. I’m not even talking about being important players on teams like United, Chelsea, Barca, Madrid, Milan, et al, but even holding down a regular spot on the middle of the table squads.

  117. Carp,

    As opposed to the Mets where the owners felt compelled to connect with the common fan and promptly lost all of their money.

  118. Are you upper-middle class, somewhat rich or filthy rich, Carp?

    Klinsmann’s first XI: Brad, Brad, Brad, Chad, Brad, Landon, Brandon, Chandon, Brad, Brad, Chad

  119. if I was getting $1.25 per comment, I’d be sitting in front of the moat, on my phone and waving to the camera with dozens of empty seats around me.

    But I don’t and I’m not, and I’m way, way lower than upper.

  120. With you CARP. You won’t find a bigger lover of the Yankees than me…but man oh man….a completely unnecessary and expensive project that was. And man did it increase their net worth!

  121. Off topic and not sure if someone posted about this before… but I am very uneasy staring at my Rangers calendar this month with Boogaard featured. Very strange.

  122. CT

    Sometimes it isnt always about the players, sometimes its about the heart (e.g. US Women soccer, NYR,)

    But you’re right, US players are not as developed as the rest of the world, but the US team has qualified for the WC every single time since 1990. That is a great achievement. I don’t think we will see immediate results here, but i think Klinsmann can lay a great foundation for something new here just as he did with German team few years ago, for which he won coach of the year.

    USMNT has never had anyone with such a rich international experience, both as a player and as a coach like Klinsmann. I think it was a great move on the part of US Soccer hiring Klinsmann as the front man.

  123. Having been to both a couple of times, I like Citi Field alot better than Yankee stadium and I am a Yankees fan…

    Yankees Staidum is pretty grand and epic but, also comepletely unneccessary….

  124. Spotify is ruining my ability to pick what music to listen to….anyone else having this problem?

  125. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    i am so filthy rich that i light my stogies with $500.00 bills….Kindling in my fireplaces are stacks of ben franklins……..i am also vey debonair and extremely handsome, modest, and humble

  126. i am so filthy rich that i light my stogies with $500.00 bills….Kindling in my fireplaces are stacks of ben franklins……..i


    I hear that’s what Brad Richards does in between periods of every game.

  127. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    BR with a 6M salary, if paid monthly, nets about 360,000 after taxes…….not too shabby

  128. Crazy to think that Richards, Drury, Gomez, Redden, Gaborik, Lundqvist and Rozsival could put up a sizable portion of the financing by themselves.

  129. If Redden puts the money up maybe he can put in a clause that he gets to actually PLAY on the team?

  130. Scary to think, that each of them has more money then some 3rd world country budget. But combine they can buy out Netherland national debt.

  131. If all professional sportsmen in this country can chip in just 5% of money they make, it could easily reopen and subsidize NASA’ Shattle Program for the next 10 years.

  132. Good evening all! Been a crazy day for me.
    I’ll just say this, the whole deal smelled fishsticky to me, but I believe this…something will get done.

    My cyncial self thinks this. The dumbassen vote in Aug. was a red herring/trial balloon. The parties now “think” they have a public referendum (hah) but will now back and figure out Plan B or C or Z…..whatever. It’s not just about the Islanders, let’s remember.

    The news lately has been so discouraging, I want to unplug and move to some remote world outpost, but then I wouldn’t have the Report or you guys, so I guess I’m stuck :)

  133. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    orr – there is only one man to call when things go wayyyyy wrong…his name??? THE PRUST

  134. Associate assistant eddie eddie eddie on

    manny – the late lunch i just had could feed half of Somalia for 3 weeks….that is sad….

  135. Yeah, I suppose he could. But, he wouldn’t do it!!!

    Does anyone know why the Preds are not giving Weber the sun, the moon, and the stars, along with a lifetime supply of Taco Bell??

    It’s the friggin Preds!! Why are they risking losing arguably their most important player?? Crazy!

  136. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Yes, Carp, I too have made the observation here that over-expansion is the outgrowth of TV saturation and the advertising and ratings numbers games. I am just lamenting the NHL almost being forced to carry four – five cancerous small market franchises as an accomodation to commercial interests which flies in the face of the best interests of the league and the fans. Nashville? Columbus? Phoenix, which has the market size, but which has failed? Sun Belt fringe disasters such as erstwhile Atlanta, Miami, and Tampa Bay and Carolina? And before that the little hamlet of Hartford? And now possibly adding Cow Town to the mix?

    The powers which run the NHL certainly don’t run it like a viable business. If a hotel/casino in Las Vegas has an unprofitable division, they axe that division, and look at the healthy, runaway prosperous growth and economy of that town. The NHL is operating like a Third World Nation with a starving, disease-infested, impoverished, civil warring population, throwing good money after bad, wasted investments. Anything but rational, sound business decisions.

    I really think a franchise relocating to Kansas City is sabotage, or at least masochism, given we ALL know it will not make it, not even short-term, I don’t care how state-of-the-art the facility is. Kansas City Scouts failed, so they get another shot. Atlanta Flames failed, so they got another, failed shot. When do we get back to penalizing, rather than subsidizing failure in any field of business endeavor, in this country?

  137. the islanders have a two COUNTY fan base,most likely all of which are not hockey fans,and a big portion of the hockey fans are ranger fans…i love the rivalry,but we don’t need three teams…..let our brothers up north have them,then (ugh) we can embrace our ex-isle fans back into the fold

  138. I can hardly believe they went to arbitration with Weber…maybe he wants out?

    Orr, can teams really give out a lifetime supply of Taco Bell? That may explain Martin Brodeur’s relationship with the Devils…

  139. Maybe he does. I wouldn’t blame him. The West is just too tough. I can’t see the Preds ever getting past the 2nd round. They need some more scoring, which is hard to get these days.

    I’m sure they can give out a lifetime supply of Taco Hell, but the smells that will come out of those locker rooms will be horrific!

  140. NYR_FAN- it was a team elected arbitration too….A little peculiar. Apparently it the first time in NHL history when the sides will actually go into hearings as a team elected arbitration.

  141. They’re being stupid. Just give him what he wants. He’s one of the top D-men in the NHL, and he’s playing for the friggin Nashville Predators, of all teams. All the appealing top teams in the NHL will be willing to pay the guy what he wants.

    Hopefully that team is a Western Conference team!!!

    Next year could be a pretty good UFA class. Weber, and Parise! Too bad we don’t have much cash!! Dammit!!

  142. Yeah, the Preds definitely need more scoring to compete in the playoffs.

    Interesting, ilb. Didn’t realize it was team elected. Hmm.

  143. Rangers will have close to $9M coming off the books next season, Orr…The new CBA could make it difficult, however.

  144. Is Weber a UFA in 2012 or 2013? I thought I read something that it was 2013?

    Orr- Yeah, but we have Richie Rich Richard$. He’s got enough ca$h for everybody. He’s buying the Isles, right Carp?

  145. Wow! So they could lose Suter, then Weber.

    Huge chunk of their defense right there. On top of that, they lose Radulov a few years ago, who looked like he had potential.

    On the bright side, they keep finding pretty good goalies, and once the start sucking, a new one takes his place.

    Vokoun, Mason, Ellis, Pecker, and that Swedish backup looked pretty good, when Pecker was injured. Had a couple of shutouts.

  146. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (The she/it on our D is sofa king SOFT!!!) on

    wag the dog=one hilarious movie!!

  147. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (The she/it on our D is sofa king SOFT!!!) on

    I’m not going to stand for this teasing…back to work

  148. eddie eddie eddie on

    where is rod?…I rather enjoy his posts….why is it that he and some of you battle and spar?

  149. eddie eddie eddie on

    manny – i offered you up as someone that should guest blog…you are clever, funny, and a loyal fan…you write well….bring it on…I offered to do a few more, but carp isnt getting my emails

    wick – same for you……you both crack me up….

    cccp = brooklyn pimp – you should be-a-guest-blogging-too

  150. Well…when he talks about hockey in general, he is pretty knowledgeable. It’s when he starts playing “i know something you dont” game that gets under people’s skin. Many posters called him out on that and Rod decided that personal attacks would solve the fact that he is full of it when it comes to providing inside info that he pretends to know.

  151. There is only one poster on here that has inside info and who has proven himself on more than one occasion… TR-808

    He doesn’t post as much but I know he is reading the blog daily…right TR? :)

  152. eddie

    Last time I guest-blogged, I got chewed up alive on here! lol

    Apparently my restaurant brawl story (better known now as ‘Coat-check’ story) wasn’t hockey related enough! lol

  153. CCCP,
    be honest – you just wanted to intimidate your fellow bloggers with that story.

  154. btw, I have tremendous respect for TR-808, but have a gut’s feeling it’s not mutual.

  155. *always right* hand,
    no good – that’s plagiarism…and Carp teasing attempt, no good either way.

  156. *always right on the middle*,
    – want some beer? – Always. – So, go get it.
    Your free PR.

  157. Wicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    Agree 100% on tr, the guy is nails!!

    Eddie x 3
    Thanks! Nice of you to say but if I did a guest appearance, I might give LW a stroke or he could go postal on us, and I just like the guy too muchvto see that happen!!

    Besides, no way carp would let my grating assen do one (and wisely so)!!

  158. eddie eddie eddie on

    wicky – postal we can deal with, its when he goes mid-evil on our azzens that we must worry…

  159. eddie eddie eddie on

    nyr fan – the enemy of my enemy’s enemy is my enemy’s enemy…you dig, my brutha?

  160. ORR!! Stay On The Road!! October 31st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Excuses, excuses. I’m sorry your boyfriend isn’t playing first line minutes, I really am. But, it doesn’t matter that he’s buried on the 3rd or 4th line. His goal is to make it to the NHL, not to the top line in Hartford. He’ll get called up if he’s ready. Which clearly he isn’t. But wait! You have an excuse for that? What happened, did someone secretly give him an enema while he was sleeping, and it has affected his skating?

    tr-808 October 31st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    my boyfriend you say classic hey why dont you accuse me of doing coke as well youre a class act come with some knowledge rather than just degrading people if you want players to develop you play them big minutes and give them feedback “He says he gets no signals from the staff, nobody talks with him, he doesn’t get to know if he is doing good or bad (what he is doing good or bad). Add to this that he has acknowledged that the coach is not someone you can tell a joke to or high five, he is simply the boss. You shut up and nod when he gives orders, that’s it.”
    from Aftonbladet
    facts son, i didnt degrade you, i came with knowledge. something you apparently dont have.

  161. ORR!! Stay On The Road!! October 31st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    “Forgive me, but you have your head so far up MZA’s ass, I figured you were his bf. Especially since you get so emotional over every comment that gets thrown his way that isn’t positive. And don’t flatter yourself, my cocaine comments are only for Dredden, and nobody else.”


  162. Hey, is always right, what’s his name? The other guy that googled me??

    I already forgot that guys name.

    “did someone secretly give him an enema while he was sleeping, and it has affected his skating?”

    Haha! I crack myself up!

  163. I’m freaken confused, ORR, TR, *always* sweet swede, – everything in a one big stinking pile and smoking. WTB? Am I progressively regressing?

  164. ORR!! Stay On The Road!! October 31st, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “Oh, there goes another one of Olga’s personalities. The product of a childhood of abuse maybe? Don’t worry, I wont contact any insane asylums.”


  165. Damn! I was on fire on October 31st 2010.

    Where is Olga? He’s been MIA for a while.

    UFC 1, 230. I’ll be 26 by then.

    CC, ohhh, you’re right.

    4Ever, I don’t know, he had a stick up his ass because I disagreed with him a lot, and didn’t know much aboot chick makeup. Kind of a baby, if you ask me.

  166. ORR!! Stay On The Road!! October 31st, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “I’d give him a break, but after that quote from TR, how can I? He’s being a baby.
    Waaah, nobody gives me signals!
    Waaah, nobody tells me if I’m being a good boy, and doing a good job!
    Wahhh, nobody talks to me!
    Isn’t that a parents job? He needs this from his coaching staff? Haha. Are those quotes accurate? I’m getting a kick out of them.”


  167. They just showed a clip from some game…Rangers had Nedved, Bure, Kovalev, Leetch and Lindros out on the PP! wow…

  168. Found it.

    David Klein – blast to the future – ORR is a Carcillo Sucker!! June 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    “I pulled it up in two minutes as all that must be done is type Blast from the Past is a Carcillo Sucker into google. You should not feel honored in any way. Defending the Core: A Rangers blog”


  169. That’s the guy, David Klein.

    Is always right a troll? My tradar isn’t working lately, so I can’t tell.

    CC, I had some BK a few hours ago. Meh! Some cheddar bacon chicken ranch sanguinettiwich. Wasn’t that great.

  170. I don’t know…always right seems like a troll but feels like he’s been around. Just don’t know why he’s hiding…

    Game 7 NYR VS NJ – 1994 ECF is on MSG right now

  171. I haven’t had BK or McD in the longest time…should have some BK tomorrow for lunch. There is a BK and McD right across from each other on Coney Island and Ave. U

    Too bad they don’t deliver..I’ll have to send my 12 year old neighbor kid to bring me some lol

  172. Speaking of Wendy’s, I just read that the wrestler, Booker T, was once arrested for trying to rob a Wendy’s. Hahaha! I went to prison for 19 months. Maybe I should try some Wendy’s, and see what the fuss is all aboot.

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