So now I guess it’s OK to talk hockey AND golf …


… since former almost-Ranger Joe Sakic made this hole-in-one for a$1 million prize.

So, Saturday we’re at the family golf outing. We’re honoring the memory my late uncle who, in the 22 years of our family outing, was the only person to ever get a hole in one. And on Saturday, the day we’re honoring him, his daughter made a hole in one. How about that?

I played in another outing a few years ago to benefit my sister’s kids’ school. Well, she wins a raffle to take one shot on a par-3 and a chance to win $1 million with a hole in one.

So I carried my sister’s clubs up to the tee box and everybody who was in the outing came out of the clubhouse and surrounded the green so it looked like a PGA Tour event. And my sister knocked it in … to the parking lot.

I’ve actually only seen one hole in one in my life. That was by Rob Astorino, who is now the Westchester County executive. He made it at a media day for the tournament the PGA used to host at Westchester Country Club. He won some golf balls. Whoopee.


And, since we’re talking other sports — to the chagrin of a few people who want to discuss next season’s lines every minute of the entire summer — here’s a tie-in between the women’s World Cup soccer and your NHL.

Really? They really decide the World Cup on penalty kicks? Really? Idiots.

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  1. Carp

    Can’t pretend penalty shootouts are universally popular (the English have several reasons for dreading them…), but there really isn’t a realistic alternative in the end. Continuous extra time (OT) wouldn’t work in such a low-scoring sport.

    Cup finals here used to go to a replay if the first game was a draw – that is one option, but not really feasible commercially or logistically for a World Cup final and there’s no guarantee the second game won’t end the same way.

  2. My wife echoed the same sentiment yesterday, although I had to remind her that the US won in 99 on PKs.

  3. OK Carp, not many people get holes-in-1 but how close have you got and where?

    Mine was about 9-10 inches at Amington, nr Tamworth in England on the par 3 13th – about 20 years ago!

  4. Couldn’t help think about all of the shootout discussions here when watching the WC game yesterday. All I could think was that such a great game (and I’m far from a soccer fan), was going to be won on a skills competition. While soccer is low scoring there were still goals scored in both OT periods. One, I think they should go back to Golden Goal (sudden death). Second, if they insist on doing it with two full OTs, then how about doing what the NHL does? Reduce the number of players on the field so you get more open space, and a better shot at scoring? And for each OT period, you reduce it by one more player, then, just keep going. But to me, the Golden Goal is the way to go. Especially since there’s no real advantage to either team in a soccer match. It’s not like NFL where the other team could potentially NOT get the ball.

  5. I have been playing golf for a looooong time and I have seen one hole-in-one and it was an ugly, skulled ball that bounced down a cart path, off a rock, off a tree and into the hole.

    My dad has been scratch or better his entire life. He has never gotten a-hole-in-one. I have seen him get an eagle a few times though.

    Also – my shoulder muscle has been twitching for like 5 days now. It’s really annoying. I can feel where the stupid nerve is pinched in my neck. I am going to go crazy.

  6. (from the other post)

    Orr – Yeah, that would be a hefty price to pay for Burns, and that’s probably why Sather’s interest dwindled. The Wild got one hell of a haul for him. Coyle is a solid forward, possibly top-6. Zach Phillips was among the guys I had the Rangers picking. And Setoguchi is just a great young talent. Sadly, Burns is probably exactly what the Rangers need to go from a cup contender to a cup favorite. Now here’s the sadder part: They drafted Jessiman instead of him in 2003. That’s one nightmare of a draft that never seems to end.

    Dantheranger – Gilroy’s relationship with the Rangers always perplexed me. His first season, it was clear he needed work. But last year, he looked every bit as comfortable out there as any other blueliner. Toward the end of the season, he was the best option for third-line pairing. Also had a great playoffs. I’m not surprised he left at all, since it did seem like Torts simply refused to use him. What surprised me was that he wasn’t traded. But like you said, maybe it was the organization that was high on him, not the coach.

  7. Doodie Machetto on

    BrandonPrust8 nope! Altho that’s the fight I hurt my shoulder in! @Rupper17 rt “@Stevie_Caps watched the Prust Rupp fight from last year, no hard feelins?

    Interesting to know where his shoulder got hurt. That was his 10th fight of the season and it was only the end of November. He still not only played the rest of the season, but fought 8 more times. What a warrior.

  8. Here’s another similarity between yesterdays world cup game and our Rangers. “TEAM USA CAN’T THE NET EITHER !!!! That game should have been 3 to zero withing the first 10 minutes of the first half. But like our beloved Rangers team USA shoots wide, high and hits a crossbar and a post.

  9. Doodie Machetto on

    John, missing the net is only half of our team’s shots. The other half go right into the (backup) goaltender’s chest.

  10. here is a question for you all to answer.

    Will Sather refer to Dubinsky in the arb hearing on thursday as “DUBLOWSKY”. If I am Sather i call “ORR” and have him help make a case against Dubinksy

  11. Doodie – I’m starting to think that was among Sather’s best trades: Higgins and Kotalik for Prust and whatever his name was. I can’t believe Calgary traded him once, much less twice. Between that deal and the one that landed McDonagh, Sather almost looks like a smart GM!

  12. Orr’s arbitration case vs Dubinsky:

    *The nickname
    *The contract holdout from 2 years ago
    *The comb-over hairstyle
    *The cruststache

  13. While it’s amazing that Tom Watson (61 years old) had a hole in one on Friday at Royal St. George’s, it’s even more amazing that it was the +fifteenth+ hole in one of his career. That is just unreal…

  14. That’s why Tom gets paid the big bucks. Watson > Dubinsky. We’ve seen the photos of Dubi golfing, but where’s his hole in one?

  15. def need to move these games. having baby wont allow too many weeknights out

    thurs 11/3 vs anaheim
    friday 11/11 vs carolina
    thurs 12/8 vs tampa
    tues 12/13 vs dallas
    tues 1/10 vs phoenix
    tues 1/17 vs nashville
    tues 3/13 vs carolina

    section 330 aisle seats face value $120 for pair.
    email me

  16. Doodie Machetto on

    Also, at the time of the Kotalhiggins trade, I said Prust was the real value for us, not Jokinen. We were a really soft team, and Prust was a mad man. I said if we could teach him to kill penalties, he would be a real steal for us. He learned, and our team is much better for it.

  17. 15!? That’s insane. Watson is a great ball striker and always had accuracy over distance. He is one heck of a golfer.

  18. Great Point, CT. Dubi should have to make a hole-in-one to get his Contract. Like, if he misses he gets Contract X and if he gets the hole-in-one then he gets contract Y.

  19. Why are you guys so hard on Dubinsky? He’s still young, a little cocky, but young. The Rangers have always been so pressured to get another Stanley Cup, that maybe sometimes, they give up to quick on a guys. I don’t know were Dubinsky fits in with the Rangers but if they were ever going to trade the guy, he’s definetly worth something!

    On a side not “eric” I might be interested in getting a set of those tickets. I used to have season tx right around that section. Unfortunatly life is not always good, and season tx’s are the 1st to go. I would love to take my kids, the boys haven’t been to a game since they were young. My twin girls have never been to a game.

    Hey Carp…I’m pretty sure it’s when I had those season tx’s when I met you….actually met you twice. You were bz with something about the Rangers so we really couldn’t talk. Or maybe you just wanted a hot dog…not sure. HaHa

  20. That was back in the good old days when the Rangers could make trades with their checkbook as much as their actual talent.

  21. First off, soccer has not ALWAYS used a penalty shootout.(In fact, it still doesn’t. They are called kicks from the mark.) Secondly, there’s not a realistic alternative other than replaying the entire game on a different day(I would be a fan of this). Thirdly, soccer always has ties for their regular season games. Unlike hockey, which for some reason requires a winner. In most playoffs for soccer tournaments, the teams play one game home and one game away and then the goals are added up to see who wins. Away goals are worth more, so even if the score is tied, often one team scored more away goals and so that avoids a kicks from the mark situation.

    Also, there is a way for a team to get the ball and the other team never to get it. Suppose off the kickoff I rip it into the other net. Game over. Other team never played the ball. Also, there’s a good argument for a team like Spain being able to take possession off a kick-off and the scoring a goal 5 minutes later without the other team ever getting possession. Also, there’s a big difference between each side of a soccer field due to the sun being in the attackers or the goalies eyes. It changes tactics for each team. Most team would choose to play with the sun at their back and the sun in the opposing keeper’s/defense’s eyes. I’ve seen plenty of goals scored because of this.

  22. Davy,

    I suppose LW could have made a more specific remark about soccer using PKs as a matter of last resort in games that allow for extra time. Assuming that no goals were scored during extra frame whether it’s 2 extra halves or the golden goal rule.

    Also, in the home and home series that they play in European club tournaments, there can still be a shootout if teams are tied on aggregate and the away goals is made moot if the teams score the same number of away goals. But you are right that in regular season matches the games end in a draw.

    Lastly, there are plenty of matches, particularly Champions League matches that are played at night so the sun/shade positioning is irrelevant.

  23. according to this moron eklund the isles giving doughty an offer sheet are premature but the isles may be stepping up there efforts and trading for doughty if kings can not sign him.


    Eklund = putz

  24. Funny, I saw Carter-for-half-priced-Jagr and started thinking about how the Flyers traded Jeff Carter and basically replaced him with a half-price Jagr! But we’re talking Anson Carter, I now realize. Yes, that was a hell of a deal. But it was also one done in a far different NHL with the lockout looming. And at the time, both players were considered cancers. I don’t think anyone thought Jagr would resurrect his career like he did. Shame his own greed chased him to the KHL for three years where he probably would have been a dominant force in the NHL. Should be interesting to see what he does with the Flyers. Should also be interesting to see how many batteries the Pens fans throw at him during his first stop at the Igloo.

  25. It’s not irrelevant. It’s just irrelevant for that particular tournament final. The FIFA Laws of the Game are followed at all international matches. So, it’s still an important consideration. World Cup games and Euro games are oftentimes played during the day. Those are the two biggest competitions. Once at the knock-out stage, kicks from the mark can occur. So, it’s definitely a big consideration.

  26. Doodie Machetto on

    “And at the time, both players were considered cancers.”

    Cancer or not, he was still a point per game player. Carter was far less than that.

  27. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Shootouts take defense, apart from goaltending, out of the equation and are a sick joke. They penalize the team with the better defense, in fact. Two teams may be evenly matched, but one team has the better offense, the other team has better D. So the team with the superior D is penalized in a shootout. It’s a sick joke that a team can win a game with the critical element of defense not in the mix. Only a twisted mind like Bettman’s could be so artistically illogical and commercially expedient.

  28. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    OK, got it, one point for a shot on net stopped by the goaltender, two points for scoring a goal. End of discussion. Talking soccer, now, not hockey.

  29. In fact, from what I saw in the shootout, or whatever they call it, yesterday, the goalies have to guess much more than react. So that really is taking a lot of the skill out of the skills competition. So it’s a guessing competition.

  30. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Or you could score, one point for hitting the cross bar or the post, two points for a goalie save, and three points for a goal. Not perfect, but it beats the shootout garbage from here to the end of time.

  31. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Great point, Carp! It’s a guessing competition, skill has next to nothing to do with it.

  32. YouveGotGold on

    Eric – It’s so true on the differences between Season Prices and individual games. I haven’t done the math this year, but last year, my tickets were $56/seat (section 304) and after fees for non-premium games, the individual ticket prices from ticketmaster worked out to $20 more per ticket. And still, there were some games that I couldn’t even recover my costs on StubHub. I hope they don’t “kill us” next year with the new prices for 300/400 due to renovation.

    I just got my invitation to FanFest. Any other season subscribers pay with American Express and going on August 27?

  33. Carp is right. Soccer shootouts have nothing to do with skill. They might as well just make it like Mini Golf and have a pendulum swinging back and forth and make the players kick it in while avoiding the pendulum.

  34. First time, long time!!!

    I get why Soccer games go to a shootout, even in the playoffs. Those guys/girls can take forever to score a goal. It would be a ten hour game!

    Hockey = Monster

    Everything else is just lame, in comparison!

  35. Call me crazy, but I actually enjoyed watching a whole game of Russia vs USA Curling, at the 06 Olympics, In Turin, Italy than the five minutes of Soccer I watched yesterday.

    Man, the babes on Russia, and USA. What a game. I don’t know who won between them, but I know I won :P

    By the way, as it turns out, I’m not so much good luck for the US soccer team!

  36. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, you’re looking at the skills competition in soccer the wrong way. In hockey, the pressure is on the goaltender. In soccer, the pressure is on the shooter. Shooters from the spot in soccer should score ten times out of ten. The skill is making sure to do that every time, as well as the mental toughness that is involved in such a situation. The skill for the goaltenders is to try and read the player, see if they will try and do something stupid like shoot it down the middle or put it to an area where the goaltender will be able to reach it. As a shooter, you should be picking a corner and putting it there with as much power as you can. You should take a correct guess by the goaltender completely out of the equation. That’s the skill in taking penalties.

  37. Doodie Machetto on

    I thought yesterday’s game was great. A lot of action, two late equalizers, and then a complete mental collapse on the part of the US women. Those were some of the worst taken spot kicks I have ever seen.

  38. Carp, are you going to do a piece on the August 1 vote for the Isles new arena?

    I’d love to get Rangers fans take on it.

  39. I agree ORR. The game could go on forever. I just think they should do a “Golden Goal” scenario. Even if we (US) would have lost that way. Too many shootouts to decide important events and it’s like….insane. How do you stop a penalty shot aside from Luck?

  40. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, I’m not a fan of the Golden or Silver goals. Japan loses yesterday under either scenario. The US loses to Brazil under both scenarios as well. I think things are fine the way they are. Close out a game and you’ll get the win.

  41. No, football (to use the correct Europansy term) hasn’t always used penalty shootouts (I’ve never heard the term “kicks from the mark” in my life…), but before that I think they used another skill-based method known as “toss of the coin”, which is hardly preferable.

    Golden goal (first goal in extra time ends the game) and silver goal (first goal in extra time wins if it subsequently ends in another tie) have been tried too, but they didn’t have any positive impact on ending games before a shootout.

    No other ideas I’ve heard are any less gimmicky, including removing players (which would become farcical).

    No, there’s not a huge amount of skill involved for the goalies, but being from a country whose national team has lost repeatedly in shootouts in part because they sometimes haven’t bothered practicing taking the damn things, in the mistaken belief that it’s “just a lottery”, I wouldn’t say there’s no ability (mental and physical) involved.

  42. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Nassau County would be retarded not to let Wang do whatever he wanted.

  43. Doodie Machetto on

    Folks, please don’t feed the troll. We are working to resolve the problem.

  44. OK – I am fine with closing out games. I just wish the PK situation involved a bit more skill. Maybe more hockey style where they dribble in?

  45. Hey, troll, because I’m a nice guy I will tell you this. You do not want to face the legal investigation that the last troll is enduring. I promise you.

  46. Good points, LW. There is skill involved for the shooting team, and the goalie does have to watch eyes and make an educated guess or something like that.

    I think the Silver Goal is a bad idea. I am OK with Golden Goal. Removing players would be silly.

    There really is no solution.

  47. Manny,

    The goalkeepers would have even less of a chance than they already do of making a save. I agree, PKs are a pretty poor way to end it, but I don’t know what the alternative is. After 120 minutes of continuous movement, and only three substitutions, I don’t know how much longer they could go. I mean, NHL players would have to go to triple overtime to equal that, and a rink is much smaller than the pitch. Hockey is more exerting when you’re on the ice, but no one other than the netminders are out there for the entire period.

  48. Doodie Machetto on

    Manny, there is a lot of skill involved in taking a PK. As I said, shooter should score ten out of ten. US women went 1 for 4. Brazilian men went 0-4 yesterday in the Copa America (South American regional tournament). There is definitely a skill to taking a penalty, and a mental toughness to execute that skill.

  49. Doodie Machetto on

    “silver goal (first goal in extra time wins if it subsequently ends in another tie) ”

    That’s not what Silver Goal is. Silver goal is if you end one half of Extra time with someone winning, the game ends. It only actually has an effect on the first half of extra time. Greece’s win over the Czech Republic in the 2004 Euros was a Silver Goal victory.

  50. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (HIT the mullet!!) on

    morning ILB and all!

    Did I miss a mulching?

    Did we name the wambach—>?

    You weren’t alone on the Prust trade!

  51. Paul in sunrise on

    Carp. I have two hole-in-ones. Best part… Both with while playing with my dad.

  52. Awesome, Paul. My dad has had several, but none with me. I had a hole-in-three last year at Centennial. Dunked my tee shot in the water, dropped in the drop area near the ladies’ tee, and made that for a three.

  53. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    I honestly thought Prust got hurt during the komisarek fight with the takedown!!

  54. i have an idea… if the game is tied after regular and extra time, they should change PK’s (kicks from the mark?! wtf?) to corner kicks! This way it can be called skill competition and it won’t be so upsetting, since both full teams will be involved in outcome of the tied game! BOOM!

  55. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    I’m all for whackamole!

    thank you!!


    I suck at golf, I could knock the crap out of the ball, but never where I wanted it to go!

  56. I almost forgot, when I was a kid I made a hole-in-one on the wrong hole. Sliced it off the tee onto the wrong green and it went into the cup.

  57. @CCCP@ that is by far the best idea I have heard yet. Corner kicks with what? 15 seconds to score off it? 5 seconds?

  58. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    One of my coaches in college was also an assistant on the golf team so he gave me some graphite drivers to use…big mistake.

  59. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    If I had a dime for every time (the few times I have played golf) I used a caddyshack or happy gilmore quote, I could buy the blog a round at W77 next time.

    what time did you want us there?

  60. I always thought Prust got injured in a fight just to give the other guy a chance the rest of the year.

  61. Manny

    I’d say you get 30 seconds per corner kick. Goalie from the attacking team is allowed to participate too. First team to score 3 corner kick goals, wins the game! CCCP for FIFA President!

  62. Yeah, Doodie, you’re right on the silver goal. I misremembered. Goes to show how few occasions it made any difference at all when it was in effect.

    They did some sort of dribbling from 30 yards out penalty shootout in the early days of the MLS, didn’t they? That would be incredibly stupid, since it pretty much bears no resemblance to anything that occurs in a game.

    So you are much better from the ladies tees, Carp?

  63. Doodie Machetto on

    So Germany would become the Tom Renney era Rangers by always playing for the skills competition?

  64. Doodie Machetto on

    “Goes to show how few occasions it made any difference at all when it was in effect.”

    They had put Silver Goal into effect that tournament to replace Golden Goal. Turns out the Greece goal was both Silver and Golden since the first half of the extra time expired right after they scored. Czech Republic never touched the ball again.

    So, even then, it really didn’t make a difference.

  65. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    -yes, the soccer shootouts are far more of a guessing game than a skills competition

    -I have never been witness to an actual hole in one (and I play frequently and have played for many years). Closest thing I’ve seen to a hole in one was my friend at the public course in Saratoga dribbled his tee shot, just off the tee box, and then hit the next shot from the crap outside a bush around 165 yeards into the hole for a 2.

    -are the Islanders still on LI…I thought they were moving to KC ?

    -what’s a troll?

  66. Visions of wicky cross-checking somebody in the back with a 6-iron anytime anyone is lining up s putt within 10 feet…

  67. “Gymnastics isn’t a sport because the Romanians are good at it.” – George Carlin

  68. stevezipay Have not heard NYR is considering that RT @mattextreme: @stevezipay would they bring McCabe back?


  69. CARP,
    I like your commentary here, but I think you’re way off the mark to be so critical of the penalty kicks in soccer.

    Is it the best way to end the game? No.

    But please offer a better suggestion. “Golden goal” perhaps? This would be the best solution were it not for the fact that, no matter how fit a team is, it’s utterly impossible for anyone to play more than 120 minutes. This isn’t hockey, where you can “substitute” players as often as you’d like. In soccer, three substitutions are allowed and those three are usually made by the time you even reach overtime.

    And, like some already mentioned, there is skill involved in penalty kicks. In fact ,a well-taken penalty kick should never be stopped (even if the goalie guesses the side correctly). So it’s somewhat of a guessing game, but not a blind guessing game.

    Please understand the game and/or offer a solution first, then call whomever “idiots”.

  70. Why can’t they offer more substitutions during OT? Like add another 2 per OT period?

  71. Sorry, Miami. I guess that was bush league. But I hate the skills competition … especially in hockey. As you might have guessed.

  72. Manny:

    Because that would further complicate the game. The beauty of soccer is its simplicity.

  73. Miami- yelling at Carp is bush-league!

    Wicky- the earlier the better. Can you arrive the Friday before? If yes, regular or skim milk for the girls?

    And lastly, can someone explain to me WTB is hole-in-one? I’m serious. I imagine it’s getting the ball in that little hole in one shot? What’s a big deal?

  74. yeah offer 2 more substitutions per OT + coffee and croissant break. why not? :)

    Frank: [to Billy] When I graduated first grade, all my dad did was tell me to get a job.

  75. So maybe they should simplify Soccer (or Football for the Europansies) and just eliminate lots more stuff. No more referees, no more substitutions at all. Cut the game down to two 10 Minute halfs. In fact…why not just NOT play the game? That seems simple…

  76. Correct, ilb. Getting the ball into the hole with one shot. Very rare. That’s why it’s a big deal … also, tradition has it, you have to buy drinks for everybody in the bar at the club when you make a hole in one. And some clubs sell hole in one insurance to cover that cost.

  77. “Well, “sorry” doesn’t put the Triscuit crackers in my stomach now, does it Carl?”

  78. CARP:
    No worries. In fact, if you are referring to soccer’s governing body, FIFA, as “idiots”, you couldn’t be closer to the truth.

    As you know from the recent scandals, they are the worst type of criminals.

    I’m also very much against the shootout in hockey. After the overtime, it needs to end in a tie like it used to. I mean, what are we, a bunch of bambies? A tie is fine.

  79. Manny

    I love hockey, I love American Football, etc … but soccer is the only sport where you need virtually no equipment and which you can play almost anywhere.

    There’s not “best’ sport. But soccer is the closest.

    Europansies or not, it will ALWAYS be the world’s most popular sport.

  80. Not buying Hole-In-One insurance would increase my chances of getting a hole-in-one I think.

  81. You’re correct Miami. I was just trying to get you going. Good to have you back, hombre.

  82. Kid: Mortal Kombat, on Sega Genesis, is the best video game ever.

    Billy Madison: I disagree, it’s a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.

    Kid: Donkey Kong sucks.

    Billy Madison: You know something? YOU SUCK!

  83. At some point of my life I’ll start playing golf, I imagine. But for now- I stay away knowing how addictive it could be from my friends and co-workers. I don’t want it to take time away from my tennis. I decided, when I start playing doubles, time to play golf…

  84. It’s very difficult to change the laws of the game. It’s not FIFA officials that do it. It’s IFAB, which is made up 4 votes from the UK FAs and 4 votes from FIFA. 6 votes are required to change the lawws of the game. This prevents FIFA from changing the rules. Which is good, because they are idiots. On the other hand, the UK can’t change the rules without getting half of the FIFA votes. The UK FA representatives are not idiots and prevent FIFA from doing anything stupid to sell out the game. And whether you’ve ever heard it called that or not, what you are calling a “penalty shootout” is properly called “kicks from the mark.” Look up the laws of the game if you don’t believe me.

  85. Actually, I think basketball is the most prolific sport globally. And what happened with the troll? I leave the site for just an hour and all the fun breaks loose!

  86. I go see my nephew, who is quite good, play soccer. after every game I tell him, “boy, your team stinks. They played an entire game and not one kid, except for that guy in the different jersey, was able to catch the ball even once.”

  87. ilb- Fans and people that play the sport are completely different numbers. Soccer may be both, but one doesn’t follow from the other. Nascar has the most fans in the USA, but it’s certainly not the most widely partcipated in. Soccer has the most participants in the USA according to a couple surveys. But obviously has nowhere near the same number as fans as other sports.

  88. Globally, or worldwide, doesn’t mean US, davy….Unless, of course they play World Series…

  89. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    I agree Carp…if we are going to play an athletic contest of some kind, and we are going to keep score, and there is going to be a winner and a loser, I want to able to use my hands.

  90. Ilb, how far is it from Jfk Airport to your place for the bonehead gathering ?:)

  91. Whatever the laws of the game say, *nobody* outside of Sepp Blatter’s immediate family calls them “kicks from the mark”.

    Rod must be enjoying today’s discussion…

  92. No I am joking:)

    I have a ticket for a Kim-Wilde-Concert on Saturday night :)
    unable to travel :)

  93. carp
    I played golf with a guy who cheated so bad he had a hole in 1. He marked zero on the card. Just played Congressional a week before the open. Niiice

  94. bull dog line on

    I was a big fan of the Cosmos back in the day. in the playoffs they went to breakaways if the game was tied. I believe they had 5 seconds to get the shot off. remember the Cosmos loosing to Seattle that way 1 year.

  95. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    The Yashin buyout has to rank right up there with some of the worst mistakes made in the cap era….although Redden is way up there too.

  96. Cosmos with Beckenbauer, Pele and Chinaglia !!!!

    That was a time…..

    Soccer was popular these days in the big apple :)

    just Carp can not remember :)

  97. bull dog line on

    my favorite player was an often injured player by the name of Johan Neeskens. not sure if I spelled that right, but he had a booming shot and a thigh that was always hurt. big fan of the American defender as well. Jeff Durgan.

  98. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    I would never do that…

    skim for us and the girls thanks! Be there friday!!

  99. Actually the Yashin buyout helps them get closer to the salary floor. Most of teams it would be a hindrance but it helps them. Same thing with DiPi being perpetually on the shelf.

  100. Referees call them kicks from the mark. I am a referee. So, that’s what I call them that….

    As for participants. There are some surveys that show that soccer is the most participated in sport in the USA. It’s definitely the most participated in sport for youths. If this doesn’t make sense to you because you only watch TV. Think about how both girls and boys play soccer from a very young age onward.

  101. bull dog line..

    Johan Neeskens had an absolutely booming shot was a big buddy with Johan Cruyff..two legends of dutch football…..

    Can remember he almost killed german goal keeper Sepp Maier during 74 WM finals in the final game with a penaltyshot in the first minute of the game…

    Those guys played for a pride not for money..what a difference to these days !!!!

  102. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    so we made an offer to yashin?

  103. Davy…Soccer is the most played game in all over around the world….you dont need to be an expert to know this…:)

  104. Those guys would be thinking about the money if they were offered as much as the players are offered these days.

  105. Yashin, Simon, Witt, Palffy. We’re bringing the old crew back to the NHL.


  106. bull dog line on

    the NASL had a lot of really good players during its heyday. the Chicago Sting had a real good German striker( name escapes me) who used to torch the Cosmos.

  107. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    so how does this buyout stuff work ? If Yashin is signed to play by an NHL team, do the Fishsticks still have to pay him?

  108. German player for Chicago in these days ???? hm…

    I need to check NASL website to find out…I cant find it on top of my head now…

  109. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    You didn’t like ziggy?

  110. I said in the USA. That’s an acronym standing for the United States of America. It’s the country that the New York Rangers play in, if that helps.

  111. He is guaranteed that money by the Isles, even if he signs with another team…

    For example, Vinny Prospal is still getting $$ from Tampa from his buyout…

  112. No I didn’t like Ziggy. He was an Islander! Also I thought he was a cheap knockoff of Jagr.

  113. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    thanx NYRfan….sweet deal for a player that underachieves for his contract amount

  114. Somewhere in Orr’s story there is a joke about getting beaten up over a small amount of change.

  115. Davy..The New York Rangers are playing in the United States of America ?????

    I thought they play on an island called Fiji !!!!!:)

  116. I actually heard that Palffy retired from the NHL becuase he couldn’t stand Crosby and the direction the Pens were going. He was still a great player when he left the NHL…

  117. A Jessiman bust joke? We haven’t heard one of those in a while. So who’s jersey are you going to get Ricky after Parise leaves when he hits unrestricted free agency?

  118. My memory is out of order at the moment, but I know that Neil Smith tried to get Palffy and thought he had a deal, but something happened. Can’t recall if it was a trade or a signing, or what happened.


    Good afternoon, Sally!

  119. Bull dog line

    The Chicago Sting had eight german players these days but I think you mean
    Karl Heinz Granitza who was supposed to be one those snipers who scored hundreds of goals for the Sting these days….

    Gash that was really a long time ago :)

  120. No, CT, but there is a story of him spilling his drink in my Playstation, and ruining it, back in the day!

    Long time grudge! First time, long time!!

    Seriously though, I’ll miss that jersey. I got it after the US lost. The jersey is a Medium, but it fits like an XL. Hockey jersey sizes suck!

    I haven’t been able to find an official Callaman USA jersey! Only fake BS jerseys!

    NYR, I heard that too. Palffy, Leclaire, Recchi, etc.

  121. Forsberg will come back. He just needs to wait for the right doctor to create his special skates, then romantically slip it on his feet, Cinderella style.

    He should cryogenically freeze himself, so he doesn’t physically age. Actually, he should have done that five years ago, when he was still dominant.

  122. I can’t find those real USA jerseys anywhere! I want the retro-style “3rd” jersey….the one that kinda looks like the Rangers away jersey….

  123. @CTBlueshirt

    I’ll have10 years to decide :)

    Ya gotta admit though, Meigray has some serious cajones for putting that jersey for sale.

  124. I definitely think Parise tests the FA market. There’s no reason for him not to.

  125. Hah! Thanks NYRanger4Life. I was even part of that story, and couldn’t remember it.

    Here’s the last few paragraphs:
    Now there’s nastiness. Milbury took another shot because the Ranger GM had made an offhand comment that a Rangers split squad for a scrimmage made more money than the entire Isles’ team. It’s probably true, considering the Isles payroll is about $ 18 million and the Rangers’ totals $ 54 million.

    “I don’t know if that’s something to be proud of, fiscal ridiculousness, for lack of a better phrase,” Milbury said.

    Well, I actually made the crack about the Rangers’ split squad … and actually it was made about the Rangers’ power play earning more money than the entire Islanders roster. But the guy covering the Rangers for Newsday, who was, I think, an Islanders fan, overheard somebody re-telling my wise-aasen remark, incorrectly thought it was Smith that said it, and called Newsday’s Islanders writer to tell him. Then it got to the other Islanders beat writers and spread like crazy. So I was to blame for the whole thing. Sorry Neil.

  126. Orr – Yep! That is such a sick jersey! I’ve only been able to find fake ones (replicas)…

  127. Bless my soul :)

    That´s the end of the day for me…Cant remember what I HAVE posted the last two hours…


    Peace for everyone..!!!

    please be gracious with me :)

  128. Well I suppose Milbury could ruin a franchise for a lot cheaper than Smith did. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

  129. The jerseys your talking about are the 1960 tribute jerseys. They were used one game and all of them were auctioned March 2010. They went for serious money.

  130. Yeah, the Olympics were definitely the highlight of that season…

    The Prust trade was awesome, too.

  131. Blake Wheeler’s stats are similar to Dubi and considering that they’re about the same age I’m wondering what you guys think should be a reasonable salary for Dubi in the light of BW signing for $2.55M a year for two years. I would think it should be a lot less than Dubi supposedly asking for.

  132. hey guys – one of my friends is running this simulated hockey league at There are only 3 teams remaining, so if any of you are interested check it out. basically you take on the role of a team’s GM and create your roster, trade for players/picks, and work the front office. then your team is simmed against others in eastside hockey manager.

  133. bull dog line on

    sorry CCCP,
    I thought we were talking soccer. I had a few soccer posts myself today.
    I did not like your line. need somebody big and physical with Gabby and Richards.

  134. Agree, bull dog and posted that already few times. Even big,bad Rupper will be good for this role as a force, protective of puck and Gabby in offencive zone.

  135. Watching Rupper playing, I have a funny feeling that he, besides big body, good enough legs and ability to deliver and protect puck to the offensive, also poses a certain skills set, which will let him be much more productive, playing with a high caliber guys.
    Different thing is that he got a face that would stop a bus, but it is another story, and not necessarily a bad one. It is good time to time to scare a goalie or two.

  136. well,
    let’s see
    i lost my writing job at one newspaper
    found out that i’ll be losing my job at Borders
    had food poisoning twice
    while it’s improving my doctor is still concerned about
    my bicep pull/tear (and hasn’t mentioned mri lately)

    we got Richards without bribing him
    other than that
    pretty sucks carcillo

  137. sorry everybody
    just tired with head cold today
    and just felt like venting.

    on the plus side i did come back from
    covering a music festival but i couldn’t get any
    writing completed due to spotty internet service.

    so, the venting’s done.
    onwards……………………and moving forward

  138. bull dog line on

    I’m kind of torn about the left wing on that line. I think Dubi makes the most sense, but if wolski is not on that line I don’t see the point in him. I also think wolski may have a bounce back season. it is a contract year after all.

  139. I find it quite interesting that the people who complain the loudest about football matches being decided by penalty kicks are those who watch from the couch.

  140. Wicky©Hands to the chest of opposing players crossing the blueline GM! on


    wasn’t a fan myself…

    I think it was the same reason that Chara didn’t want to come to the rangers except Ziggy didn’t even want to play in the same league as a loafer like jagr, chara just didn’t want to play on the same team.

    Does anyone know how much jagr JP Dumont made last season?

  141. …and again, bull dog, I agree and what’s more, I do think Tort’s first LW choice on this line will be WW and, as I posted earlier, if he wouldn’t bounce(I hope he would) and click with, he will be gone before February deadline. But I share the sentiment of physically strong, supportive LW on this creative, but soft line and have a feeling Rupper wouldn’t be bad either, for different role though.

  142. He actually made $4M last year. They bought him out and will pay him $1.333M for two more seasons.

  143. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on


    I posted the Dubi numbers based on Boyle’s the other day, but wheeler’s numbers would be pretty accurate. I think Dubi could be a bit higher, but anything over 3 is a bit of a reach IMHO.

  144. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    ok, thanks and see you friday

  145. wicky, you’re a funny guy!

    Steve Eminger is a nice (spare) player to have but, I think we should bring back Bryan McCabe for the “7th” D. Veteran presence. Great release. Leadership. Hands to the chest. Caber. Prust sayin’. ;)

  146. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    Depending on the exact criteria that slats thinks he should use, here are the 3 best choices for Dubi’s contract IMHO based on boyle’s contract (wheeler’s contract would be a very good area though). So somewhere between 1mil and 2.6mil would be fair depending on what is most important (points, hits, or fights) or just take the avg and 1.8mil per season is about right

    wicky(grating PIBG)© (HIT the mullet!!) July 14th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
    OK, so based on boyle’s cap hit dubi should either get…

    2.6 mil per season (points)

    1.7 mil per season (fights)

    1 mil per season (hits)

  147. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    rod did. And I’m honestly not sure why, but oh well sticks and stones


  148. “Ziggy didn’t even want to play in the same league as a loafer like jagr”

    really? I think you mean Sidney…like the place in Australia… :P

  149. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    this was the only thing I had referred to Rod in recently…

    Wicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) July 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
    Afternoon ILB and all!!

    Clowe would be awesome!!!

    Personally, up until the last thread or two, I think you have been fine here and we all like ranger info. That being said you just CAN NOT get into a jousting match with cccp or lw (or any regular here) and not get hammered on by others (including me) here! So chill out!

    So interesting story from here today. My in laws are here (boooooo) and want to go to the farmers market this morning, so I throw on my boogaard shirt I just received and we head out. The market is packed and we are walking around and this guy walks up to me and says “awesome shirt man, terrible thing that caused the shirt to be made though”! I thought it was pretty sweet and mrs wicky gave me a high five and was like you never know where you will run into cool hickey people!

    So then this…

    Rod July 17th, 2011 at 10:21 am
    hey Carp, that could be an alternate name for this place instead of instead of Rangers Report…

    Not Much Hockey LOL!!!!!! (uh-oh, I feel banning/suspension No. 5 coming :)

    Larry Brooks today saying Brett Burns was the one who got away, a Ranger target before he was dealt to SJ.

    If only you’d known that!!! – Except you did, because a month ago I wrote 15 posts on it, including the price being sky high and Burns having 400 reptiles living in his basement.

    I know, no one remembers…..

    Wicky, CCCP and all the other cheapshot wiseasses can take it from here and keep you clued in.

    Happy Sunday.

    So, I’m just rolling with it for now!

  150. Just busting your chops, wick. I know how you feel about Jaromir…

    Easy to say now, but I think Chara made the right decision, regardless…

  151. Oh, haven’t noticed, wicky. It is what it is.

    Dubinsky and Callahan are getting between $3.9-4.2M, I think.

  152. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    good points, I’m going to have to do some recalculating now…

    I’d rather have sid than jagr, sorry but I would. Same old story, I’m sure most fans would love sid if he was on the rangers.

  153. I think we would all love Skid if he was groomed by Mark Messier to be a Ranger rather than by Mario as a Pen…no question, wicky…

  154. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    I know you are, but I wish we would have got Chara, but he didn’t want to play with jagr. So we didn’t and subsequently we are still looking for a real physical D man with an edge and a booming shot from the point.

    I liked jagr as an offencive player and firmly believe that he is a deserving first ballot HOFer for his offencive accomplishments. Fact of the matter is though, he loafed way too much, was a one dimensional player, was a bad captain, and generally all about the jagr (ask the pens recently). If gabby had been here and scored 56 goals after the lockout, not many here would be so “fond” of jagr and would probably say the same things about that “pens” player (or caps player) jagr as they do sid or who ever else. I refuse to use one offencively successful season as a ranger player as the overall grading of a player, guess prucha is a great leader as well…

  155. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    definitely too much for Dubi, and a bit too much for cally. I would max out with cally at about 4mil. Staal money for cally is “in there” I think. Dubi, well when I look at boyle’s stats…

  156. wicky, you know, Jagr is going to get a lot more ice time in filthy Philly than he would have in Pitt…I don’t believe it was “all about the jagr”.

  157. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    here is a thought though, how about when you give your word to someone (even if it is mario) you keep it? I mean you agree to go back, then you bolt for another team AND a bigger contract…but I guess if it is ok to do that and no one really has a problem with that, then maybe that might give a glimpse into the problem with society today

  158. Well, Messier left us and signed with Vancouver for more money…I didn’t like that at the time but, I got over it…It is, unfortunately, part of the business of the NHL…

  159. I see your point, though, wicky. It wasn’t a classy way to treat Pittsburgh by Jags but I’m sure he had his reasons for holding out…Shero was the one who closed the door when other teams got involved…

  160. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    I don’t think mess agreed to come back or said he would then changed his mind, but I could be wrong. Either way, what jagr did recently in coming back to the NHL just reinforces what I have always thought about him and what seems to be an opinion of him through out the NHL (no one really seemed “shocked” in the NHL community that he did what he did recently, seemed like the typical jagr thing to do …selfish) and no matter what all the jagr apologists try to say, just an overrated ranger by some fans and good riddance!

  161. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    so what did we name the two wasabis? whackamole and what else?

  162. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    In a way, I hope we put a kid like thomas on the roster and he gets minutes…there will be a lot of fights and scrums protecting him!!

  163. Wicky(grating PIBG)© (A cheapshot artist and wiseassen...) on

    so whackamole and wombat? I like it!!

    night assens

  164. I remember the Palffy story. For some weird reason the Isles wanted to get us to take him (we had some player they wanted, forget who) and they ended up dealing him to LA instead. Incidentally, I know a guy who met Palffy once and said he was weird.

  165. I do know that Milbury hated Palffy. Common theme for him and, oh, EVERY good player he ever had.

  166. eddie eddie eddie on

    this lil ziggy went to market, this lil ziggy stayed home. this lil ziggy wants roast beef, this lil ziggy wants none…..and this lil ziggy went weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee all the way home

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