Hey! Where the heck is The Great One?


I hate to be confrontational or argumentative. Right?

But NHL.com did a list of the most exciting players of all time … and somehow Wayne Gretzky wasn’t on it. Nor was Mario Lemieux. Or Jaromir Jagr, who, love him or not, was a thrill a minute when he wanted to be.

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I don’t get that at all. What was more exciting than TGO scoring 50 goals in the first 39 games of a season? Or scoring points in 51 consecutive games? Or zooming past Phil Esposito’s record and breaking the 80, and then the 90 barrier?

Come on.

I mean, Denis Savard? Yeah, he did the spin-a-rama, which might be the dumbest expression in sports. And he’s a Hall of Famer. But more exciting than 99? You kiddin’ me?

Well, at least Skid Crosby wasn’t on the list. Or isn’t at the moment.

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  1. And This One Will Last A Lifetime on

    What the byfuglien is up with that lame list ? Sure they named a hand full of some excititng players…but no 99 ? no JoJo Murphy ? no Nick Fotiu ? no Dean Talafous ?

  2. Onecupin72yearsandcounting on

    I guess by “Exciting ” they mean NOT GREAT !!

    IE:sex with a hooker vs. sex with your spouse , you choose.

  3. LinCalPrustBoylahan on

    Good Morning ‘ Heads! TODAY’S THE DAY!! I expect you guys to break the news by my lunch hour that Cally has signed! OH PLEASE OH PLEASE!!!

    Thanks ILBZO, you da man!! Thank you Julie

  4. Gretzky was never the biggest player, the strongest player, or the fastest player. What made him the greatest ever is that he saw something different than every other player on the ice with him.

    You remember that scene in The Matrix where Keanu Reeves sees the Matrix world as green computer code? Gretzky saw hockey games like that.

  5. I never got to see TGO in person and wish I did. I did see Mario Lemieux in person and I was in awe of his skills. Just amazing.

    But, the guy is right. Denis Savard’s spin-o-rama is much better than these two guys. (sarcasm off)

  6. Happy B-day Linda!

    Strange to leave all of them off….Unfortunately, that is hockey and only us die hards notice things like that.

  7. Wayne WHO? You’re living in the past man! Get with it!

    “You gotta get on with your life. You gotta let go of the past. And Mikey, when you do, I’m telling you: the future is beautiful, alright? Look out the window. It’s sunny every day here. It’s like manifest destiny. Don’t tell me we didn’t make it. We made it! We are here. And everything that is past is prologued to this. All of the $h*t that didn’t kill us is only – you know, all that $h*t. You’re gonna get over it.”

  8. I think the common factor on that list is the “Whoa! what the Byfuglien just happened?” effect. Most of those players have speed and the ability to bury a breakaway or go end to end at warp speed – Gretzky never had the same speed as these guys, he had the lot, he didnt need speed because even at a snails pace he would leave a guy on his backside wondering what just happened. The guys on this list were in, done and out faster than a News International journalist in the Queens mobile phone records!

  9. Good job pointing out the ineptitude by NHL.com Carp.

    That’s flat out incompetent to compile such a list with such glaring omissions.

    Id say forget Mario & even 99 and remember when he came into the league, Jagr, with his size, speed, moves and hunger to score every single time he touched the puck, was like an unstoppable prototype from outerspace.

    I don’t think the league had ever seen anything like him.

    A positively horrifying sight for opposing teams.

  10. Happy Birthday Linda! 26! You made it!

    May each and every passing year bring you wisdom, peace and cheer. You’ll always be forever young.

  11. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, you should call Dellapina and give him an earful for letting that go to press.

  12. Gift of GAB-orik on

    Hmm… It’s all in the nickname. If he had been called “The Exciting One” he would have been a lock for this list.

    Total fail. I don’t know how you put Datsyuk on that list and don’t include 99, or Jagr.

  13. This list was the equivalent of bloggers speculating about line combos 3 months before the season starts :)

  14. Happy Birthday, Lin!! I hope you get your wish today!!!

    Leetch’s “spin-o-rama” move was awesome!

  15. You should be aware that Bobby Orr did spin o rama with the best of them and combined it with double reverses …all at top speed.

  16. By these standards everyone who is exciting should be someone who takes a lot of skillz competition shots. Maybe some goalies who stop a lot of them. So ^Hobbit Wizard^ and christensen should make that list. Probably Marc Andre Flower. Hank, etc.

  17. Interesting how often the word Nimrod is used to describe someone who is considered a clueless dolt.

    The real Nimrod was known as a sagacious hunter and warrior, (but perhaps his biggest failure was the tower of Babel.)

  18. Anybody can put up 200+ points three seasons in a row. The important question is whether or not you can do a spin-o-rama and wow the crowd.

  19. If exciting means NEVER taking your eye off a player when he’s on the ice, than Wayne Gretzky is the most exciting player of all time………………

  20. Interesting list. Out of 9 listed players, 4 are Europansies! 3 *Russians* and 1 Czech!

    and any list w/o Jeremy Roenick on it, is a fail! ;)

  21. Gift of GAB-orik on

    Gretzky never scored 100 goals in a season, therefor he is a bust, ergo not exciting, hence not on the list, thus I don’t know why we’re surprised.

    ( sarcasm is Carp’s favorite hobby )

  22. Read: James Dolan Is A Good Hockey Owner

    By Adam Rotter on July 12, 2011, 9:27AM

    Here is my definition of a good owner in New York: 1) He spends money as recommended by the general manager; 2) He does not meddle.

    Dolan is a good owner of a New York hockey team.

    Larry Brooks of the NY Post.

    I would take Dolan the hockey owner over Dolan the basketball owner any day. In any event, Dolan spends his money, he doesn’t hang on to it. Sure, he has hung onto Glen Sather when the team kept missing the playoffs, but he never stopped supplying him with money for a chance to make the team better.

    i say: M’KAY!!

  23. By the way, whatever you think of Gretzky’s speed and skating, if you ever watched him cut right to left and fire a slap shot against the grain and inside the left post, and didn’t go, WTB was that?! … then you can’t be excited by a hockey play.

    Or how about the first time he parked in his office and flipped the puck up over the crossbar and in off the goalie’s back?

    Or one of those David Copperfield-like give-and-go’s with Kurri?

  24. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Johnny Odouya and Rejean Houle should make the lust from their name alone…

  25. Look at him with his fur coat and his purse, Orr. He’s a fancy boy.

    Another guy who should have/could have been on the list: The Roadrunner: Yvan Cournoyeur (sp?).

  26. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    How does John bednarski not make the list? The garden would erupt at the mere sight if him.

  27. “Hey, Silvio, look at Jerry here, prancing around in his coat with his purse. Yup, he’s a dandy. He’s a real fancy boy.”

  28. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    You would think at least one of marv albert’s bite marks would be on the list.

  29. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Carp – the double play tandem of gene Michael and Horace Clarke should make a hockey list…too… They were that great… I know you agree…you tossed out Jerry Kenny last week…. How on god’s earth he was first ballot HoF is beyond me.

  30. “Sure, he has hung onto Glen Sather when the team kept missing the playoffs, but he never stopped supplying him with money for a chance to make the team better.”

    So, throwing money at the GM and not actually evaluating his performance is being a good owner? Yeah, right. If I ran my business that way it wouldn’t be long before I’d be closing up shop.

  31. Amusing story:

    Went to my 8 year-old nephew’s first lacrosse “clinic” on Sunday. At one point I notice a group of kids, one decked out in a Kopitar jersey (this is LA), arguing about something. Moments later I walk past one of the boys weeping to his father and screaming “they said Sidney Crosby was a crybaby!” Then, still sniffling, he forced his embarrassed dad to take him home.

    A few of the other parents felt bad — but they all agreed: Sidney Crosby and his fans are crybabies.

  32. Carp

    I know right! I like Sandler and his ability to milk the same cow nonstop… but this one looks BAD! LOL

    well, I’ll probably end up watching it anyway :)

  33. eddie eddie eddie on

    In TB’s 2004 cup run, Brad Richards scored 7 of the 16 GW goals……YIKES…talk about Mr. Clutch.

  34. cccp’
    You mean a movie about crybabies and nocturnal’ twins Sidney and Cindy?

  35. eddie eddie eddie on

    A turd on the ground is funnier than anything rob schneider has ever done….

  36. Cross Check Charlie

    So, throwing money at the GM and not actually evaluating his performance is being a good owner?


    of course! wouldn’t you love to have a boss like Dolan? Who throws dough around, who closes his eyes on millions of dollars mistakes you make and still lets you keep your job? Who wouldn’t love a boss like that! I bet Sather laughs his butt off every time he comes to work!

  37. hockey news

    oilers trade cogliano to ducks for 2nd round pick in 2013. hes scheduled for arbitration next week

  38. This was an obvious attempt on the NHL’s part to drum up some ‘heated discussion’ as to attract viewers. This is where online media has lost credibility because people care more about drama than fact (or at least intelligent opinion). To not include a Lemieux or a Gretzky is just plain absurd. It’s a no-brainer to include those guys on the list. They just wanted people to talk about them NOT being on the list and I guess the mission was accomplished. But it’s the NHL. I’m surprised they did something like this. They typically LOVE including Gretzky whenever they get the chance to do so.

  39. Yeah, comedy…and a plot could be:
    Sidney, with his hairless, girlish face, easily could impersonate sister Cindy in her parochial catholic boarding school (which will be rated R) and his sister Cindy will perform unnoticed (everybody get so used to…) his/her whining act on ice with referees and Pissburgh so called fans.

  40. eddie eddie eddie on

    4ever – given the media’s fascination with the skid and his #2’s…..Pissburgh should be changed to Poopburgh.

  41. eddie eddie eddie on

    I hope that the NHL channel covers the Oilers again next season…that was some high flying drama….incredible TV….

  42. Good afternoon all! That list reminds me of a Rob Schneider movie. Stupidest thing ever.

  43. ORR,

    I agree. He can be a solid number three on a few teams. Anaheim being one of them. Doesn’t he have some record or something for scoring overtime goals in consecutive games?

  44. The only name I was able to come up with for the Players’ Twitter Widget is “Kayomama.” She was my aunt’s boss, the same one who worked with Waseka. This is all legitimate stuff, too. If you have suggestions, feed me them.

  45. Hey Carp,
    I know theres not a lot to talk about in the hockey world, but what’s going on with Messier? Is he in line for the GM job, coaching job? Just wondering especially since they moved Shoie, and there was no mention of Messier. Just thought it would make for an interesting article, at least just talk to guy and get a take on the Rangers, and where were going at the moment. Another question is does Graves (don’t like using their nicknames it’s not like I know them) have a future in coaching? I know he does a lot with kids hockey, but does he want to move into some kind of coaching position? Doesn’t he help the kids (meaning young ones who make the team) find a place in NY to live, and help them keep there nose clean? Heard that but wasn’t sure.

    See ya later,

    P.S. Think your computer guys could make it were we could create an account, and when we make comments or posts, we can be notified when someone actually reads them and responds or something……..just sayin

  46. I think it was wickster who came up with whackamole.

    I think Rupp is going to be popular here. Might have to reply to one of his tweets and let him know where we are.

    Cynar, I don’t know if Messier is actually being groomed to be the next GM. There are a lot of candidates ahead of him, I would think. Graves and he both want to be involved in the management end. I don’t see either being a GM in the immediate future. And I’d think if Graves wanted to coach, he’d have to be coaching somewhere at a lower level now.

    As for the interactive comments idea … that’s way out of my ballpark.

  47. Funniest thing about the Cogliano trade is that the Rangers were always rumored to be sending Dubinsky and a pick the other way, and the guy ends up bringing back nothing but a second rounder. Such a joke.

  48. How could Chris Drury go from being a somewhat misguided signing with overburdening expectations that sadly and regrettably had to be bought out to being on the receiving end of some serious venom from Ranger fans?

    “Howard Eskin of 610WIP is reporting that the Flyers have some interest in signing Chris Drury at the right price. Given Drury’s past accomplishments, his ties to Danny Briere and his reputation for leadership, it might make some sense. That’s especially true in light of the fact that there’s currently one third-line spot up for grabs on the Flyers. “

  49. By the way nice room with Jagr/Drury/Pronger in it and also love how Paul Holmgren traded away his 2 best players to sign an average goalie and is replacing them with really old beat up guys. No way that’s gonna work out for them.

  50. Like Schwartz. May Schwartz be with you. We will need a lot of Schwartz this summer, it seems…

  51. JimboWoodside on

    Happy Birthday, Linda!

    I certainly can’t argue with Orr, Hull, Lafleur, Richard, and maybe Bure and Ovechkin (might be premature with him, though), but how can you leave Gretzky and Lemieux (Ugh!) off that list?

    Gilbert Perreault and his other linemates made for some exciting watching, too…..this list is sorely incomplete!

  52. Oh, I just realized, with the Flyers, we might be able to see “what could have been” with Briere, and Jagr.

    Dreary should sign there. He’ll make life a living hell for us, guaranteed.

    Jagr, Dreary, Prospal?

  53. Yeah I figured Messier or Graves would coach at a lower level, or if Messier was thinking he could one day be a GM he would have to start out low. But I seem to remember there being a lot of WHOPPLA about Messier taking some part in the Rangers organization, but since then we haven’t heard much about him. I mean I hear much more about Graves, and he work with getting young kids involved in hockey or working at hockey camps, but Messier just seems to have disappeared. If I remember correctly Messier’s pretty tall, and bald he would be hard to loose??!!! HaHa

    As far as the tech thing, don’t you hold a pretty pretigious position at this place, and can’t you make some guy or tech guy do something?

  54. Quick note about Jagr……just a couple of weeks before he decided to come back weren’t there articles saying the Rangers needed more scoring from the left side? I know some didn’t like the guy, but for the money wouldn’t you say he’s pretty much going to score you at least AT LEAST 20 goals? Would have been a pretty sound investment, plus what he brings to the locker room.

  55. I heard a rumor that Dreary said he “would never play for the Islanders”. LOL!

  56. Cynar, what he brings to the locker room is a selfish player who is only worried about himself. He left the Rangers because he wasn’t going to be the highest paid player on the team. I don’t see him scoring more than 15 goals next year.

  57. LinCalPrustBoylahan on

    Thank youse guys sooooooo much for all the birthday greetings!!! You helped to make the day extra special!!! Any word yet on uncle glennies gift??

  58. Hey, you know, it might be a good idea to sign Drury to center Jagr. Too bad the Rangers never thought of that. Oh, wait, they did?

    whackamole is wickster’s suggestion for the players’ twitter widget name.

    Messier is actually very, very involved in the scouting/development end. He’s working really hard at it, not using his name and status to use this as a cushy, easy-money, no-work job. Sather sends him all over the place … sent him to scout Brad Richards quite a bit, sends him to events like the World Juniors. Hasn’t disappeared at all. Just doing his work behind the scenes and pretty anonymously.

  59. Thanks, Carp.

    I am violently opposed to calling the Player’s widget “Whackamole.” It’s just an entirely different thing. In fact, it’s a game!

    Kayomama was a cool name. We would have Waseka and Kayomama. That is consistent.

    Wicky – if you have a problem with my comments bring it on….as I said I am violently opposed to this idea and am willing to die by the sword to defend it!

  60. LinCalPrustBoylahan on

    Thanks ORRsie! And Chris, that was a great storyabout the crying kid!
    Makes me hope crosby never procreates, can you imagine how those kids would be?
    Hot dog/ duck lips, punching other lil kids in the family jewels and the lifelong perpetual whine! Yikes

  61. Waseka and Kayomama go well together. I think it’s been decided!

    Sorry, wick! You get a lunch point.

  62. Carp – have i sealed my own fate? Is wicky going to wield a sword, or worse a double sided axe, against me? I hope he knows I was joking…

  63. LinCalPrustBoylahan on

    Thanks Carpy ! They key is to start moisturizing in your early twenties and DONT smoke!

  64. I did moisturize myself in my early twenties. Haven’t since..

    I don’t think Jagr spent a shift on the left wing during his career…

    Manny- I hope you said goodbye to your relatives

  65. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Horace Clarke ranks just below a rhino in mud as a pivoting second baseman, with Bill Mazeroski a close second. I understand that when Clarke retired from baseball he found a job holding a tin cup for a blind organ grinder. It is said that the blind man had better peripheral vision than Horace, but that’s just a rumor.

  66. Horace Clarke gets a bad rap. He unfortunately was the face of those horrible Yankees teams. But he wasn’t a horrible ballplayer by any means.

  67. I just went to get some food and on my way a girl walking in front of me spun around, yelled, “wait!” and started chasing her friend (whose name was Lauren I guess). I did a sweet spin move to get out of the way.

    Am I an exciting player?

  68. You’re right, CT! I should have played defense…..in the style of Wicky.

    Hands to the chest!

  69. drury def stays on east coast. i think he goes to either flyers or buffalo. at one point this season he will come back and haunt us.


    i always think if we signed brierre instead of gomez or drury how things may have been diff with jagr.

    the problem is brierre never showed ay interest in coming here the other two losers did.

    gomer and drury rot in hell

  70. I don’t think he bothers anyone….The site gets more posts. Carp’s happy. I’d say it’s a win win…

  71. Exactly. Maybe he needs his daily math rehearsal. Not everyone is destined to solve complex algebra equations….

  72. I am just intrigued to learn that one a day isn’t a regular posting under another name. That shocks me.

    Drury has to be close enough to his pizza palace so he can check in from time to time. Update the wall pictures for “most pizza eaten” and what not.

  73. Going back to waseka II. Manny, wicky is a big dude. we are talking *BIG*. I’d go with whackamole if I were you.

  74. Um, I have the ultimate wicky defense. And they’re known as lunch points. Say hello to KAYOMAMA!

    Goodbye, whackamole!

  75. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    CARP! Please. Horace Clarke remains one of the biggest jokes ever perpetrated on the major league baseball scene. To put a career .308 OBP man at the top of your lineup for nine years is akin to the Rangers putting Ryan Hollweg at center on the number one line. His career BA is .256. So when you subtract his BA from his OBP you get .052, meaning he walked just 5.2 % of the time. That is akin to a D- in academic terms.

    Years ago, in a Baseball Abstract, Bill James took a shot at two players of that time who rarely took a walk to help their respective teams. Those two players were Steve Garvey and Garry Templeton, whom James referred to as “Notoriously selfish ballplayers.” The job of a lead-off man is to get on base to set up the inning for the 3-4-5 power boys coming up. It is not to amass a grotesque strike out total, in lieu of walking to help the team. It is not to hit .256 with no discernible power.

    So let’s look at what we have here. Low BA, Lowest lead-off OBP in the major leagues in his day. Scant power. And the ultimate stumble bum in a middle infield skill position requiring considerable dexterity, nimbleness and range. This man was a sick joke. But it is not his fault he had a major league job. Whether he was Ralph Houck’s contribution to “affirmative action,” that is giving a minority person a job when there is a multitude of better qualified candidates who are not minority candidates, is all I can think of. Jerry Lumpe, a reserve with the Yankees in the late ’50’s was infinitely more talented and possessed of ability than Clarke, yet he was shuttled around like so much trash, in deference to the mediocre at best, Bobby Richardson.

    Clarke had NOTHING, Carp. He was such a sick joke that Mickey Mantle, probably tired of seeing Clarke drag down the Yankees offense and his potentially higher RBI total, made the ludicrous remark that he would rather see Horace Clarke at the plate in a game situation, than Joe D. or Ted Williams. Horace Clark was the Ryan Hollweg of his day, an oafish Kowalski who brought nothing to the game by way of a hint of a tangible asset. Ralph Houck put the stamp of gross incompetence upon his entire managerial career with this one inexcusable lack of response to a fire burning out of control.

  76. Boom Boom,

    I think Eddie^3 made a joke about Clarke that had to do with a short tangential discussion about the best ballplayer in a respective era.

  77. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    (Partial) quote from the Bill James 1984 Baseball Abstract…

    “In Ralph Houck’s first year as manager, 1961, he had a tremendously successful season leading off with Bobby Richardson. Richardson, frankly, was a horrible leadoff man. He rarely got on base and almost never into scoring position. (Fast forward) Ever since then Houck has been leading off with these terrible little second basemen who hit .270, have no power at all, and don’t walk. When Richardson retired Houck’s second baseman was Horace Clarke, a career .256 hitter who walked about as much as (Jerry) Remy does. Horace led the league in at bats twice and had a career high of 82 runs scored.. He was often in the sixties in runs scored, and his worst years, for a man playing a key offensive role, were bizarre. He outlasted Houck in New York by only a few games.”

  78. Which by the way Carp, I disagree that Donny Baseball was the best player during his heyday. I’d go with Schmidt or Yount over Mattingly.

  79. eddie eddie eddie on

    Horace Clarke was, arguably, the greatest ball player this, or any other, world has ever seen….he was like Gretzky, messier, gordie howe, and johnny O’ Grodnick rolled into one…..he could do it all….hit for power, average….one of the strongest arms (supposedly in BP he hit 70 mph on the radar gun), great range…he could have played the entire infield from 2nd base……He and gene michael formed probably the greatest DP duo in baseball history……plus THE HORACE had speed…..he was on first one game, i blinked, and he was on third…..He was like the CABER on skates….

  80. Schmidt and Yount are both sick. Both have more hits than Donny.

    Too bad they didn’t all play in the same infield, eh?

  81. eddie eddie eddie on

    boom boom -its not like those statistics you quote are facts or even tell the whole story……THE HORACE was simply a beast……sure he only had .256 lifetime BA, but that means his out average was .744…..that is very impressive……also, you must have missed the game when THE HORACE got 2 – count ’em – 2 hits in ONE GAME…..that is like scoring a lot of goals in a hockey game)……or maybe you missed the game when THE HORACE fielded 3 balls cleanly without an error….that is like hank tossing 4 SO in a row…..your statistics and facts are merely a red herring to throw people off the fact that THE HORACE derserves HoF recognition.

  82. Robin Yount: 2 MVP, 1 AS, 1 GG, 2 SS, 3,142 H, 251HR, 1,406 RBI (20 Seasons)

    Mike Schmidt: 3 MVP, 12 AS, 9 GG, 6 SS, 2,234 H, 548 HR, 1,595 RBI (18 Seasons)

    Donny Baseball: 1 MVP, 6 AS, 8 GG, 3 SS, 2,153, 222HR, 1,099 RBI (14 Seasons)

  83. Yount: 76.9 WAR
    Schmidt: 108.3 WAR (and only 1 negative WAR season)
    Mattingly: 39.8 WAR

  84. eddie eddie eddie on

    3 greatest athletes in history any sport – 1. secratariet (horse racing)

    2. larry sacaruk (the great NYR defenseman)


  85. eddie eddie eddie on

    that should be larry sacharuk…..the only nyr to wear 4 different numbers for the broadway blueshirts…

  86. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Referring to those awful Yankee teams Horace Clarke played with, reminds me of a TV interview with Sparky Anderson I caught, one time, when Sparky was trashing the awful Phillies of 1959, for whom Anderson played second base and hit .218 in his ONE major league season. What Sparky forgot to mention is that he was the WORST player on the team and the primary reason that team lost over 100 games.

    The Yankees of 1966 finished 10th and last in the American League. At this point I trust I need not identify the second baseman and leadoff hitter on that team, who was also the worst player on that team, and the man primarily responsible for the last place finish, one-half game out of ninth place.

  87. Eddie, I think you’re forgetting the car that Michael Schumacher drives in.

  88. eddie eddie eddie on

    boom boom – next you are going to tell me that Fritz Petersen wasnt the greatest lefthander to take the mound….or rob whistle wasnt the best Dman the rangers ever had…..you might not remember that in the 85-86 season the little whistle had 4 goals and 2 assists.

  89. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I saw that 1959 Phillies team play one game in San Francisco, and I swear, Sparky Anderson looked like a grade school girl at the plate with a bat in his hands.

  90. eddie eddie eddie on

    …that might have been the greatest infield ever assembled….Schmidt, yount, THE HORACE, and donnie baseball……

  91. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I don’t know about “The Little Whistle,” all I know is that Bill Chadwick was “The Big Whistle,” and a damn fine man.

  92. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Try Schmidt – A-Rod – Hornsby – Gehrig as you all-time infield. They would not have embarrassed you.

  93. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I wish Horace had been a girl because he was so loosey-goosey I would have dated (her).

  94. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    My guess is the guy who said, above, “Baseball sucks,” isn’t with us, anymore. lol

  95. eddie eddie eddie on

    Jerry Kenny Gene Michael THE HORACE Ron BLomberg jake gibbs – behind the plate

    best ever

  96. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Funny, I saw bonus baby Jake Gibbs warming up pitcher Art Ditmar before a game at Fenway Park, in 1961. A few days later the Yankees cut Ditmar! I am making a connection, there.

  97. eddie eddie eddie on

    Did you see kenny albert’s tweet that he spoke to a gathering of future sports announcers?

    can you imagine…first, have a famous dad that has major connections…..second, just show up after your dad gets you in….

  98. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Horace Clarke couldn’t shoot from the hip if he were aiming at Jane Russell in a haystack.

  99. billybleedsblue on


    Carp, you’re obviously totally right about those guys not being on the list. Maybe they should just change the title of the article to “Most exciting NHL players of all time (other than TGO, Mary-o, and JJ)? Here’s our list”

    Enough with the baseball, guys. Total snooze-fest…

  100. eddie eddie eddie on

    CT – Pythagoras and Thales were monster Greek mathematicians….

    pythagorean triples….3 4 5, 5 12 13, 7 24 25 9 40 41 etc etc

    come up with a relationship/formula for finding an infinite set of triples….

  101. @stevezipay: #NYR sign former Kings draft pick, Tom Glavine, to 2-way deal. Glavine will center the top line with Avery.

  102. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Imagine, Bob Waterfield had a football career and a Jane Russell career going at the same time. That is a lot of grunting.

  103. billybleedsblue on

    E3, lol, Pythagoras and his cult of number worshiping Greeks? wow, that’s out of left field. did u know there are over 250 ways to prove the Pythagorean Theorem? Isn’t that nuts? LGR!!!!!

  104. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Watch out for the Glavine – Avery – Bobby Cox line. It’s a comer. Leo Mazzone (suono buoni) is their goon.

  105. eddie eddie eddie on

    CT – no no 7^2 + 8^2 does not = 14^2 billy – i like Euler’s square inside a square proof, the best….

  106. Although, I think Robbie Cano will be the finest 2B ever to play the game when all is said and done.

  107. It’s Reyes, Victorino and Granderson. They might produce infinite triples.

  108. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Alfred Hitchcock’s three famous horror films:

    1. “The 39 Steps”
    2. “The Birds”
    3. “The Horace”

  109. Granderson plays what? I could see him at 3B I guess….maybe The Fylin’ Hawaiin at 2B?

  110. wow bulldog, you feel pretty strongly about that, don’t you. well, Clarke wasn’t the worst player on a dreadful team. he wasn’t. and maybe Bill James should learn how to spell Houk.

    CT, Schmidt was past his prime when Mattingly was in his. When Mattingly was in his prime, he was the best player in baseball. And I don’t give a crap what WAR is.

  111. eddie eddie eddie on

    all right , my friends…i will be back in a bit….time to get some exercise in….

  112. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Joe Morgan was great, in fact, perhaps the second-greatest 2B of all time, apologies to Mr. Gehringer, and Mr. Grich. Had I owned my favorite ball club, the Phillies, a few years ago, I would have wanted either Joe Morgan or Don Sutton for my manger, and I would have resolved it by making Little Joe the manager and giving Sutton the pitching coach position. Great baseball minds, the two of them.

  113. billybleedsblue on

    Wow, Eddie x3 if you mean the simple geometric proof of drawing a square inside of a square and finding the areas of them… that’s the only one I have committed to memory. If it’s the same one you mean, I didn’t realize that was Euler (although I’m not surprised).

    How about Euler centering Avery and Mersenne? I know Mersenne is a total Euro-pansy, but he was really good in his prime. Let’s Go Rangers!!!!!

  114. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Manny, Ralphie didn’t care how you spelled his name, and I see that James spelled it both ways, back and forth. In fact, Ralphie said in an interview one time that whenever he went duck hunting he preferred that his name have a spelling of “Honk.”

  115. I have to agree with Carp. *WAR* is a stupid stat. Mostly because i don’t understand it or care to understand it. I have seen footage and I can see who won what. Stats ignore intangibles and I think baseball is all about intangibles.

    Donny Baseball was *great* in his prime but let’s be honest, he was a loser. And remains a loser. I guess Donny was the best in 1985 since he won the MVP….but……Here are some other names:

    *Wade Boggs*
    Willy McGee
    Ricky Henderson
    Tony Gwynn
    Mike Schmidt (don’t think he was past his prime – he led in HR 84 and 86 as well as other years)

  116. Carp,

    It’s Wins Above Replacement. If you don’t care for the Sabermetric evaluation of players I understand. But there’s a preponderance of evidence that suggests that Mattingly wasn’t the clear cut best player.

    And while you might be right that Schmidt was past his prime when Mattingly was in his, they put up very similar numbers throughout Mattingly’s relatively short prime. And even a diminished Schmidt got on base more and had more power. I will admit that Mattingly’s rapid decline is what keeps out of the HOF.

  117. Wicky (Leeloo Dallas mul-ti-pass) on

    Afternoon ILB and all!

    So we got the new rangers players only wasabi, I like it. Nice job carp!

    As far as I’m concerned, you name it whatever consensus wants. I can never remember what it is called, just that it starts with a “w” and it’s a bit odd so I just call it whatever comes to mind.

    Doing ok bro, seems like you are walking a fine line today!

    We are doing inventory at work, so 12 hr days. Apologize for not being around this week. Back at it, later assens!

  118. Um, please no to kayomama…..I just don’t like that. Sounds like I’m getting wackamoled :)

  119. Nope, don’t care what the sabermetrics say. If you watched baseball during Mattingly’s prime, you know he was the best player in the game at that time.

    Loser? That could be one of the most idiotic statements ever typed into this comment area.

  120. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    I mentioned this before, but it was 3-4 a.m., so for those who missed it…

    I have done voluminous stats re leadoff hitters in an inning, and my numbers, after extensive research, reveal that when the leadoff hitter in an inning reaches base, the average for MLB teams is scoring 7.5 runs per nine innings. When the leadoff hitter is retired, that average drops to 2.5 runs per nine innings. In no other category have I seen such a significant split from high to low. So this leadoff position is paramount and critical to a team’s success.

    So that, while it may be true that Clarke or any deficient leadoff man you care to defend, may not have been the worst player on the team, a strong case can be made that since leadoff is the most critical offensive batting order slot, the negative impact to the team of having a deficient leadoff hitter is greater than, say having a paltry-hitting middle infielder batting eighth.

    So that it’s a fact that what Ralph should have done, in year one with Clarke, if he insisted upon having him in the lineup, was drop him in the batting order so that he would have been far less damaging to the Yankee offense.

    Bill James was the first, and now it is universal, to acknowledge Rickey Henderson the greatest leadoff hitter of all time. Henderson hit for average, power, walked and stole bases like crazy, he was an amazing offensive catalyst. Few in history can even be remotely compared with what Henderson accomplished in the leadoff role. Tim Raines is probably the only comtemporary of Henderson who rates a call. Had the Yankees had Rickey Henderson leading off, in his prime, during the Clarke leadoff years, you would be looking at double digits more wins every season for the ballclub.

    So the knock on Clarke, from James and myself, has more to do with his leadoff responsibiltiy and failings, than anything else. He was just over-matched for the job, as is the case for most MLB leadoff hitters, of every era.

  121. Anybody who needed Bill James to recognize Rickey Henderson as the best leadoff hitter ever doesn’t understand baseball.

    He was probably in diapers when I knew that Henderson was the best leadoff hitter ever.

    Horace Clarke was a below-average baseball player on a horrible team — on which he was one of the best players, sadly.

  122. “That could be one of the most idiotic statements ever typed into this comment area”

    Right up there with “Erskine has a great shot”? Or maybe “Artie and Step-On are not ready for prime time”??

  123. did I take a wrong turn and miss RR somewhere?
    I gotta run anyway…..no to kayomama! Wasabi I like, even though I don’t like wasabi. TA!

  124. billybleedsblue on

    How about Cartman centering Avery and Butters? The CAB line! Cartman may be slow, but he’s awesome on the draw, and he has many intangibles. Butters has surprisingly soft hands, and Avery’s got jam.

  125. billybleedsblue on

    Eddie check my post at 5:17, I made a punny for you that I think you missed.

  126. I am late to the party. :( Happy 26 Candles to Linda.

    Is there any cake left? I’ll take an e-piece.

  127. eddie eddie eddie on

    billy :) – yes Euler would have made a great Center between Jacob and Johan Bernoulli – The Basel Swiss Connection….

  128. eddie eddie eddie on

    Billy – What makes Euler’s square in the square proof of the pythag. is its sheer simplicity…..a school kid understands it….Euler was a beast…last 17 years of his life he was completely blind yet he pumped out out beautifully written manuscripts…perhaps my favorite mathematican….

  129. eddie eddie eddie on

    my brutha – CARPutha….THE HORACE was not as bad as people make him out to be…..i liked him a lot…but those yankee teams were flat out horrid…..the best to come out of it was when Peterson and Kekich traded wives midseason

  130. Sigh….Diapers was the only thing I understood about your baseball convo….Gonna go cut some watermelon. Anyone want a piece?

  131. eddie eddie eddie on

    oh billy – how beautiful a site is that……thank you for sharing….

  132. eddie eddie eddie on

    Billy – I am sure you have read Dunham’s Euler “The Master of Us All….a lovely treatise on the great man

  133. eddie eddie eddie on

    Some have argued that Euler played fast and loose with his logic especially his work on infinite series, but the Bourbaki’s thought him a sensational mathematician….

  134. billybleedsblue on

    Eddie, I have not! I will check that out though! Thanks! That site is lots of fun. I registered there and started working on it earlier this year… I haven’t made any time for it recently but I will be getting back to it. It’s totally fun and addictive. Judging by your comments today, the problems on the Euler site are right up your alley!

    Ok, back to hockey.

    How about Jesus centering Avery and Muhammad? The JAM line! Jesus can walk on water, just wait and see what he does on the ice!

  135. eddie eddie eddie on

    billy – are you a number theorist?….i am partial to PDE’s….pun not intended….

  136. *ATTENTION BONEHEADS CONTEST WINNERS:* The prizes are in the mail. Finally! That didn’t take long, now, did it?

    Don’t get your hopes up. Those who receive good prizes, those are courtesy of ilb. Those who receive carcillo-y prizes, those are from me.

  137. “Its the largest mammal on earth, but, as George says, it doesn’t have to be.”

  138. billybleedsblue on

    Eddie, I wouldn’t be so bold as to call myself that… I’m an amateur. PDE’s… I’m afraid I’ve forgotten everything from that Diff. EQ course I took :( Advanced Calc… also a blur :'(

  139. eddie eddie eddie on

    manny – and what’s behind it stopping it? so my question to you is , what is the end?

  140. I have accessed this joint from two separate computers in two separate boroughs and I have yet to find an issue with slow loading.


  141. eddie eddie eddie on

    manny – which is it slow or not….you seemed to be as confused as Nigel.

  142. i think the answer could be it’s either loading slow or it isn’t. If it’s loading slow, then…..Manny, eddie- take over :-)

    No, not for me,Carp

  143. It has been working fine – I just had a terrible refresh after posting that it was fine. I will go with fine 999/1,000 times.

  144. billybleedsblue on

    Hey what happened to that counting guy? What’s the deal with that anyways, has he ever said anything else? Maybe he’s just shy…

  145. eddie eddie eddie on

    ILB has a valid point manny…the loading can be described in one of two ways…slow or not….personally, i find it difficult to see it any other way…

  146. eddie eddie eddie on

    allright kiddos….i am off to go talk about the Gamma function…be back later….

  147. It’s true. If the loading is slow, then it’s not fast and of course, if the loading is fast then it obviously isn’t slow. The question is whether loading is normal and whether normal would be considered fast or slow.

    billy – more great points. Counting guy is probably shy. or eddie. it’s unclear.

  148. Zippay should get his head out his butt.
    It’s never funny saying the Rangers signed anybody other than actual player.

    Didn’t mean to slight Gretzky by praising Jagr in his prime in anyway whatsoever.
    Gretzky’s the most brilliant player, most likely in any sport. Ever.

    The thing with Jagr, as I remembered it, this is back before cable and the internet so many Ranger fans never even got to see Gretzky except for the one or two times a year they played us.

    But for Pitt to have Mario & then a young Jagr out of nowhere, it seemed so incredibly unfair, and of course we saw them all year long and the playoffs.

    Jagr= Monster, unquestionably.

  149. thurs 11/3 vs anaheim
    friday 11/11 vs carolina
    thurs 12/8 vs tampa
    tues 12/13 vs dallas
    tues 1/10 vs phoenix
    tues 1/17 vs nashville
    tues 3/13 vs carolina

    section 330 aisle seats face value $120 for pair
    rangers shoot 2x

    email me baum27@aol.com

  150. See some other sites saying Fox News says NYR having preliminary talks about Semin (for 2 d prospects?), and WASH also has Mike Green on the block.

    That’s them saying it, not me. Just passing it along.

    Green would be a RH’d d-man they need @ the point, but concussed & f-r-a-g-i-l-e.

    Too much Derek Stephan.

    Hard to see Caps trading within division too.

  151. wicky(grating PIBG)© (HIT the mullet!!) on

    I think the zipay thing was a prank

    hello all, just got home form work…13 hour day getting a quality human being shift like ILB takes!

  152. wicky(grating PIBG)© (HIT the mullet!!) on

    I am not a fan of players like semin, but might make the roster a bit more dangerous…depends on D going the other way though!

    Of course he did win his fight against stall, or stahl, or stawl, or staal

  153. Rod,

    Not sure if you’re being funny by intentionally misspelling Derek’s name. The kid’s name is Stepan, not Stephan. (no H)

    And the Craps aren’t in the NYR’s division. (same conference)

  154. I think you know what I meant in both cases NYR, but tnx for the corrections.

    Semin could be sick. Guy is insanely talented, and despite euro-choke label is putting together some career.

    He & Green, 2 RH’d shots, could make NYR PP deadly.


  155. Actually, not so interesting, thanks to some internet douchebaggery.

    Fox Sports is reporting NOTHING but an idea passed on by Yardbarker, which originated from some guy meandering (and sourcing NOTHING) from something called blueseatblogs.

    So that might’ve been fun to consider but is instead likely bull.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

  156. Semin, btw, went one pick lower than Steve Eminger. Both were selected by Washington in 2002

  157. Good factoid ilb.

    At least Caps can’t blame themselves for taking Eminger (who I really like) over Semin.

    Wow, 12th overall for Emmy. He kinda played like it in long spurts last year.
    Thought he was tough n terrific many nights. Another lunatic shot blocker too.

    Not sure what happened when Del Zotto magically reappeared, whether it was showcase or not. But Eminger sure got press boxed and couldnt find his way out!

    I spell everything ok?

  158. Yeah, that was a dead draft. Half of the first rounders are nowhere to be found in the NHL, let alone second or third…..Yet, Detroit was able to get Jiri Hudler and Valtteri Filppula deep in the second and third round respectively…

  159. Evening gang.

    This place turned into Math 1,2 and 3 while I was working. YEESH. I hated math. That was the reason I took ‘math for dummies’ in college.

    Are Dubi, Cally and Flavah signed yet? What is Darth waiting for, Bastille Day to pass?

  160. hence the reason why dale tallon spending millions on guys who arent worth it. there drafts have stunk

  161. MSG is showing a Rangers-Bruins game from 2007. Rozsival just coughed up the puck and forced himself to take a penalty. And before that Jagr set up Prucha, who was stopped. … wait, Prucha actually played?

  162. For those just joining us tonight, the new players’ twitter widget (whackamole?) is up and running right over there ——> and up a little bit.

  163. JimboWoodside on

    Orr!!! You’re being a bad boy again, fooling the peeps with your phoney player moves!! Shame!!

  164. Oh, look, that Moneyball money is being advertised in the all star game. *YAWN*

    This game is booooring.

  165. I don’t think the Caps would be adverse to trading Mike Green to us if we give them whatever it is they are looking for. Not many teams would. He is godawful defensively and there is genuine concern he wont replicate his previous stats without Ovechkin.

  166. Carp, another guy who should be on the list is my fav non NYR #11 saber. End to end get out of your seat, but probably #1 is the great 8 from dc

  167. Not sure if anyone pointed out that today was the 25th anniversary of Steven McDonald being shot in Central Park.

  168. This “1 a day” blog’s weakly peeing worm is not so harmless. Being the very definition of “trash” he stinks, like all old trash. Senselessly taking our place and time, his “shtick” becomes distractive annoyance, which exactly his goal is.
    Considering that he knows at least numeral adjectives in few languages, read this: Zaebal svoim ustnym schyetom, mudak!

  169. Semin is set to make 6.7m; Green 5m.

    Green’s had huge offensive years;

    Let’s not forget he’s had Ovechkin converting a lot of those passes, but I won’t take anything away from the guy. When he’s healthy he’s an all-star – offensively.
    Defensively? Can be an adventure/ borderline nightmare…

    Anyway, if you swapped MDZ for him it might make some crazy kind of sense; two guys with screwed up heads.

    Apparently talk of Semin moving isn’t restricted to that one blurb mentioned earlier.
    The guy’s name is all over the place as Caps are the OverCaps right now and need to sign their young D, though I think they inked one the other day.

    If Rangers could ever swing a deal for both (Wolski @ $4m would have to be included or bought out) and all went well, they might be one helluva balanced, dynamic team.

    One of the Cup favorites I would think.

  170. billybleedsblue on

    :D I dunno why but it’s killing me, with the counting, and the changing of the languages, who are you, counting guy? What is your story? I’m not sure if it will get old to me, but I can’t stop laughing.

  171. billybleedsblue on

    That glass bat won’t make it back home with Prince’s kids around. Look at those rascals! lol, that bat is done! :D

  172. billybleedsblue on

    Rod, stop getting my hopes up like this. We may all be kidding ourselves as it is. :/

  173. He/she/it desperately need(s) some attention. Obviously, it is some new form of “no life” species.
    Or just counting, primitive robot like machine.

  174. wicky(grating PIBG)© (HIT the mullet!!) on

    like I said semin MIGHT be interesting, but depends on what goes the other way and a definite NO to green…night assens!

  175. billybleedsblue on

    what’s next, somebody that just posts a different color every time? lol, it’s a cry for attention for sure, but I’m not sure it’s desperate… maybe “one a day” is just trying to build up the courage to reveal his true cause. Sorry to all the people it’s bugging that i’m “encouraging” this behavior. It’s too funny, well, at the moment anyways…

    ok, back to some more wacky line combos:

    Michael Jordan centering Avery and Brutus the Barber Beefcake. The JAB line! Get your haircut while being amazed at Jordan dunking from the red line and I guess Avery can help you pick out a nice suit.

  176. Great Billy, now he’ll do colors!!!

    “Who are you numbers guy.” Hysterical.

    Oh, I put the feelers out everywhere on Semin, etc.

  177. I dont get the Lepisto rumors. If we are gonna bring another Dman in he automatically should be a right handed shot. Our top Dman prospects all shoot left handed (MDZ, Erixon, McI, Vtank, Ktek).

    I think we should pick up Anton Strahlman. He’s kinda crappy on Defense but paired with McD or maybe fellow countryman Tim Erixon he would probably be ok, esp since he’ll likely be a 3rd pair guy anyway. He is a damn fine PP specialist though, putting up 10 of his 18 pts/51 games on the PP last year and 22 of his 34 pts the year before that all the while playing on a crappy Columbus team

    Most importantly he shoots righty and is Swedish (which seems to be a big deal lately with this organ-eye-zation)

  178. Hartnell traded from PHI… last piece of their “nightlife crew”….more to come tomorrow

  179. billybleedsblue on

    me and counting guy (are up). i’m watching total recall and hopefully doing some counting of my own soon (sheep). QUAID, START THE REACTOR!

  180. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Cccp – the orange caviar is best with a soft pancake…and I am talking caviar straight out of the caspian sea….. Near Baku…,simply the best with lots of vodka of course…

  181. what up CCCP buddy…. I have no details…just a friend who works philly sports media and heard this is apparently gonna pop tomorrow…

    We’ll keep and eye out… hope everyone is enjoying summer

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