Guest blogger: Warren London

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Warren London is a regular reader and seldom commentor, also known as Bitt. He owns a New York City company that manufactures dog spa and grooming products:  http://www.warrenlondon.com.

As a Yankees/Jets/Rangers fan who weirdly rooted hard this week for a Boston team to beat the hated Flyers, I was bored and looked up the 1st rounds of the drafts of the last 15 years.

While the Rangers have had a couple successful picks in later rounds for our goalie Lundqvist and a few solid 1st/2nd line players in Callahan, Dubinksy, Stepan and Girardi, they have had many chances to get superstars in the first round.  It was very upsetting to think that the Rangers scouting can be so bad.  It also became quite clear that whomever drafts for the Flyers actually knows what they are doing as most of their first round picks have all had great careers.  Another thing that stood out is how many first round players that never make it in the NHL and that it seems to be a guessing game for a lot of teams after the top 3 or 4 picks each year.

2009: Chris Kreider #19  – TBD – Could have taken:  Marcus Johansson Wsh #24

2008: Michael Del Zotto #20 – TBD

2007: Alexei Cheraponov #17 – Deceased – (Weak first round to this point but still early)

2006: Bobby Sanguinetti #21 Overall – Could have taken: Claude Giroux #22 to Flyers, Milan Lucic

2005: Marc Staal #12 (Our only good 1st round draft selection in 15 years)

2004: Al Montoya #6  and Lauri Korpikosky #19- Could have taken: Stafford #13, Travis Zajac #20, Wolski #21, Meszaros #23, Mike Green #29

2003:
Hugh Jessiman # 12 – Could have taken: (Jeff Carter went #11), Dustin Brown #13, Brent Seabrook #14, Steve Bernier # 15, Zach Parise #17, Ryan Getzlaf #19, Ryan Kesler #23, Mike Richards, #24, Corey Perry #28

2002: No Selection in first round – Pretty weak first round: Rick Nash #1, Steve Eminger #11, Semin went #12

2001: Dan Blackburn #10 -Could have taken: Hamuis #12, Hemsky #13 (Overall weak draft in first two rounds)

2000: No First Round Selection BUT….. Islanders took DiPietro #1 (After trading Luongo), Heatley went #2 and Gaborik #3 (The Islanders ruined their team right there. Luongo and Heatley would have been a nice combo for a long time)

1999: Pavel Brendl #4 and Jamie Lundmark #9 – Could have taken: Tim Connoly #5 (Pretty weak draft)

1998: Manny Malhotra #7 – Could have taken: Antropov #10, Tanguay #12, Kalinin #18, Simon Gagne #22, Scott Gomez #27

1997: Stefan Cherneski #19 – Could have taken: Scott Hannan #25, Morrow #27

1996: Jeff Brown #22 – Could have taken Danny Briere #24.

In the last 15 years, only two Rangers draft picks have managed more than 100 goals in their careers until this point. Mike York, who was a 6th round pick, has scored 127 career goals.  Manny Malhotra, who was a first round 7th pick in 1998, currently has 101 goals.  No other Rangers draft pick in the last 15 years has been able to reach 100 goals.  If you go back to 1995, Rangers 4th round draft pick Marc Savard has managed 207 career goal, BUT, only 10 as a Ranger as he was promptly traded away to Calgary.

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  1. Remarkable insight into the trades the Rangers have lost out on over the years by having poor management. It’s always been grumbled about, but those are the stark facts…and they are damning. Nice work Warren.

  2. onecupin72yearsand counting on

    As far as drafting players..its usually hit or miss for most teams , but it does seem that the NYR usually miss more .
    What the NY scouts saw in Jessiman that the other NHL either saw (negatively for Jess) we’ll never know, but I don’t have the confidence in the NY front office and scouts.

    Sure they drafted Dubinski and Callahan and Lunqvuist etc ,I’ll give them credit for that but we all crave the 40 + goal scorer lead the league offensive player , I guess we have to go back to Jean Ratelle, Hadfield .

  3. One reason why the Rangers have always had to jump into the free agency pool is because they stunk at drafting good players. It’s not like they didn’t have some prime picks either. The picked 7th, 4th, 10th, 6th during those years with nothing to show for it.

    Just another in a long line of questions of how in the world Glen Sather keeps his job.

  4. 4generations 4 cups on

    I cant tell you how happy i am that this blog is still going. GREAT post Warren!

  5. billybleedsblue on

    Bitt, nice job! “Pavel Brendl #4 and Jamie Lundmark #9″ I still think about those guys every now and again. I remember hearing SO MUCH about them. They were built up and then they NEVER PANNED OUT. heh, it’s not easy being a Rangers’ fan.

    Carp, pretty genius having guest bloggers…it’s win-win-win. Keep the boneheads happy with content (in the off season), give some boneheads the opportunity to participate, and this all means more time for golf. Pretty sweet.

  6. Thanks for spending time compiling that list. Whenever I have seen draft pick research it always indicates that the NHL draft is a crapshoot other than those years in which one or two or three top picks are obvious (rare at that age). What we do not know is how the players are developed. Or what we do not know is how some players development is retarded by a weak system. It appears that some teams are always able to draft well while it just may be that those teams are more adept at developing their players and others are not. Since mid level and below draft picks are a roll of the dice and the Rangers have been on the losing end for most of those picks you would have to conclude the odds are the problem hasn’t been with the picks, it has been with their development. I think the improvement with our defensive “drafting” is due to Jim Schoenfeld and JJ Daigneault. Lets not forget Wade Redden is now thrown into that mix.

  7. In the movie Thor , the guy that plays Thor’s bro Loki looks like Dubinsky in the movie …

  8. Olga Folkyerself on

    Reason #24 to FIRE SATHER! If this doesn’t convince you, then think about Sather’s UFA acquisitions….

  9. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Nice write up Warren. 2003 had many serious monsters availabe. The rangers’ pick, HJ, was adismal. Olga – my shoulder is still killing me.

  10. Ryan Getzlaf, Zach Parise, Corey Perry, Mike Green… Oy vey! I could use some antidepressant right about now.

  11. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    I liked Blackburn. How did he hurt his shoulder anyway? What truely was adismal occured in 2004 after the big sell-off…. Not much remaining from all of those picks they acquired.

  12. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Looking back it’s easy to see how slats messed up on jessiman. Afterall Dartmoth College ranks right up there with U Minny, UWisc, UMich, BC, and BU regarding hockey talent.

  13. billybleedsblue on

    Carp, that’s what handicaps are for! Fore!

    Another name that hurts on Bitt’s list is Manny Malhotra. There was a guy with some real NHL potential that NEVER had a chance in NY because of whatever political BS he was somehow caught-up in. Not knowing exactly what happened, I still blame Muckler for not utilizing him and/or giving him a chance to develop (not to mention missing the opportunity to play with TGO on the PP for instance). So you see, picking the right guy is still not enough. The right guy needs to be in the right environment to grow and thrive as a player in the NHL.

  14. Manny turned out to be a pretty darn good NHL player didn’t he? Not the star they touted, but a solid player. Muckler knew he wasn’t a star, apparently resented having this rookie thrust upon him, and buried the kid and his value as a trade asset.

  15. The White Plains Batman on

    It was a different regime. You can’t base any of this on Gordie Clark who has run the Rangers draft since 06, before then it was Don Maloney/Tom Renney, and some guy named Brodeur who worked under Neil Smith.

    I like most of Gordie’s picks. The Sanguinetti pick might not even be so bad if Jesper Fasth becomes a solid NHLer and they pick someone good with Washington’s 2nd rounder this year (Matthew Nieto? Shane Prince?)

    Anisimov, Stepan, and Del Zotto are all from Gordie and we’ll get to see soon what guys like Krieder, Horak, Hagelin, Borque, Pashnin, McLIrath, Thomas, Werek, etc. are all about.

  16. Good post, Bitt.

    Agree with BMac- drafting is only part of it. The development of talent is as important. It requires vision, evaluation of special needs and support. Who knows what it was like during those dark years. Also, the environment they grow up in is as important. And the environment most of them were growing in was horrible. What would be the motivation for a young player to work hard and make sacrifices if he knew that the big club would continue signing old, washed up free agents, and the only chance for him to play in NHL was if he was traded to another club?

  17. Or even if he wasn’t traded and made the big club, he knew playing time went to marquis names regardless of production. The point is we are now giving these young guys viable goals to reach. Now all we need are goals in the net. Not sure how that develops within the Whale as presently constructed which leads to FA and trade speculation.

  18. Bill from Jersey on

    I think the whole thing with Rangers draft picks before Gordie were trying to do “too much” with the picks. With guys like Malholtra (projected as a first-line center), Brendl, Jessiman, etc., the Rangers tried to draft one “cure-all” instead of actually developing players. I think that was the Rangers M.O. for awhile, too; they traded away players and signed big-name players (Ulanov, anyone?) and tried to win like that.

    Even though the draft is a gamble, I think the whole point is to actually look at the players and see how they can develop in your system, and not getting someone and think they’re going to be the next superstar.

  19. Will say this … in the Neil Smith drafts, which looked pretty grim at the end of his regime … they found some pretty good-to-great players in later rounds.

  20. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    morning ILB and all!!

    Happy Mothers Day to all the Mums today!!!

    great guest post warren, thanks!

  21. Doodie Machetto on

    It’s a good post, but there are a few things I disagree with. I’ll start chronologically:

    1) No mention of McIlrath over Fowler?
    2)I’d rather have Kreider than Johansson, as of right now, and at the time of the draft as well.
    3) MDZ: John Carlson was available at 27. MDZ was ranked 2 spots higher on CSS, but 2 spots in the mid teens isn’t really much of a difference.
    4) I loved the Cherepanov pick. His death was tragic, but at the time I thought it was the best value pick for any team in the draft.
    5) I’m not going to fault them for Montoya. He was the standout choice at goaltender, having come off of that GREAT World Juniors, and with the retirement of Richter and the very real possibility of Blackburn’s retirement, the Rangers had no real goaltenders or goaltending prospects (just some Swedish guy they drafted in the 7th round in 2000). He wouldn’t have been available at 19. The fact that he didn’t pan out came as a surprise to a lot of people. But you were right on Korpikoski.
    6) Blackburn is like a combination of Cherepanov and Montoya. The pick was just fine at 5, and he was going to become the future of our team with Richter getting older and his knees starting to go. He was thrust into immediate and permanent duty upon Richter’s concussion and retirement and I thought he showed a lot of promise and looked like he would be the franchise goaltender for the next decade. That he sustained an unfortunate career ending injury doesn’t make the pick bad. Also, you pointed at Hamhuis (2d pairing defenseman) and Hemsky (barely an NHL forward) as what they missed out on. A #1 goaltender over that isn’t a bad pick at all.
    7) Brendl and Lundmark were studs at the draft time, especially Brendl. That they didn’t pan out is a fault of the developmental aspect of the organization, not the draft. Also, you left out the best player from that first round (other than the Sedins) in Havlat, selected at 27.
    8) You would have taken Kalinin over Malhotra? Or did you misspell Regehr? Jiri Fischer was another good player from that draft who had his career ended prematurely, but fortunately, not his life. Difference between NHL and KHL, I suppose.
    9) I would have mentioned in the years that we didn’t have first round picks why we didn’t have them. The 2000 pick was traded as part of the package to get the #4 pick. The 2002 pick was part of the package that brought in Pavel Bure. Both deals turned out GREAT!

  22. billybleedsblue on

    Wow, looking at Carp’s link, Christian Dube…there’s another name that I remember being hyped that ultimately flopped. :/

  23. Doodie Machetto on

    “The pick was just fine at 5″ That should read, the pick was “just fine at the time”

  24. billybleedsblue on

    Ha, wouldn’t be a day on Planet Earth without Doodie expressing his “know-it-all” ways. WTG Doodie. You’re like death and taxes. :D

  25. Here you go, Wicky! Happy Mother’s Day to the great mom in your house, big guy.

  26. Doodie Machetto on

    billy, it’s called an opinion. Just like the opinion you expressed on Malhotra.

  27. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    Did they give fowler the norris yet or have the trophies not been awarded? That’s right, coming right after the playoffs! I could honestly care less if they had picked a goalie or a 5’2 350lb centre over fowler. The fact that some still think he makes the sun come up after one season is an absolute RIOT, LMFAO!! Give him and everyone else a few years in league before we start declaring who is better than who.

    Like ILB sid the other day, fowler would have had a great time in CT. No way he makes it under torts. Different organizations, different needs, different coaches, different systems, different teammates/rosters….give it a serious rest folks!

    Happy mothers day!!

  28. Doodie Machetto on

    “The 2000 pick was traded as part of the package to get the #4 pick”

    Forgot to mention it was the 1999 #4 pick that was used on Brendl.

  29. billybleedsblue on

    Doodie, please don’t take it the wrong way, I like that you’re so reliable and methodical in your ways. IMO the light you shed on the Blackburn pick is especially illuminating. :D

  30. Sad news..

    For those of you who don’t know, I coach indoor soccer. Anyway, one of my players’ fathers passed away last night. I would truly appreciate it if you could say a prayer for them; my player’s name is Brooke.

    I don’t like bearing sad tidings to Bonehead world, but a lot of you know of my coaching ventures so I thought it would be somewhat appropriate.

    Thanks.

  31. Doodie Machetto on

    ilb, yes, jury is out. But there’s a clear player that McIlrath will always be compared to.

  32. I’m very sorry to hear the bad news Latona. I will keep you, Brooke and her family in my thoughts.

  33. A bit too early for Johansson>Kreider as a discussion point, no?

    And Hemsky is “barely an NHL forward”, Doodie? Huh?

  34. Good afternoon all! A belated bravo on the guest posts and a Happy Mom’s Day to all…well, not all, but you know what I mean. May I also belatedly say Sweet 16 rocks!!!!!
    OK, gotta run…later all! Go Bolts!

  35. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    And a definite Happy Mothers Day to mama here, where would we all be without her??

  36. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    cccp
    I wonder if slats saw that? lol

  37. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    speaking of the draft, is hrasko draftable this year?

  38. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    has staal had a fight since semin beat him down? I was going to say semin all over him, but it just doesn’t sound right unless orr types it!

  39. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    what was the score of the US France game btw?

  40. don’t know if Slats saw it or not but is here what Ovechkin had to say about it:

    He was asked by a SovSport journalist to comment on Artyukhin’s actions

    Ovechkin: “Well done. No comments needed. Everyone saw everything.”

  41. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    Mama day hattie!

  42. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    cccp
    LMFAO!

  43. Datsyuk and Franzen may be out for Detroit tonight. Is Lindstrom playing his last game in Detroit? It would be very interesting to see if Detroit enters a rebuild mode next season. Even more interesting will be to watch how they do it.

  44. iDoodie machetto on

    Ha! I don’t know where my brain was. I confused ales hemsky with ales kotalik!!

  45. The White Plains Batman on

    Johanssen is a good player but he had 27 points this season so it’s not like he’s a world beater. Krieder will be fine, just give him more time and is skating and offensive instincts are great.

    If McLIrath pans out he’d hopefully be in the mold of a Jeff Beukeboom, Douglas Murray, or Brooks Orpik and that is just fine. Having a nasty S.O.B. like that on the blueline is always a plus.

    I still think it’s really unfair to criticize the Rangers drafting over the last ten years. The organization was a mess before Renney and Gordie came in. As I said before, I think Gordie’s done a fine job getting talent via the draft and yes, the Sanguinetti pick can be criticized but over 20 teams also passed up on Giroux. I’m still very high on Jesper Fasth who looked excellent at the WJCs, maybe he becomes another 20-25 goal scorer.

  46. Two quick stories about the great Seve Ballesteros, who I got to cover a lot because he won multiple times, and was in contention a few other times, here at the PGA Tour stop at Westchester:

    One time Seve was telling the press that his brother was caddying for him. So somebody asked him his brother’s name. “Bicente,” Seve said. We all kind of looked at each other. And somebody asked him to spell it. “B-I-C-E-N-T-E,” Seve said. So somebody followed up, with “B as in boy?” “No,” Seve said, “B as in Bictory.”

    The all-time classic though was at the Masters, when he four-putted one of Augusta’s greens. Asked to explain how he four putted, Seve said, “I mees, I mees, I mees, I make.”

    R.I.P. Seve. There will never be another like him.

  47. warren u should change your name to Captain Bringdown

    also would have at least mentioned McIlWRATH! he could be our next Beukeboom

  48. lulz at TBD for Del Zotto and the jury already out for Kreider

    looking forward to a great game and some pink sticks tonight!

  49. billybleedsblue on

    Well, that was lame. Maybe it doesn’t translate so well from the Russian :b hahaha

  50. billybleedsblue on

    There are some funny and non-deep knock knock jokes… like…

    Knock, knock.
    Who’s there?
    Norma Lee.
    Norma Lee who?
    Norma Lee I don’t tell lame knock-knock jokes.

    LOL To believe there are books written on the subject! :D

  51. Olga Folkyerself on

    Knock, knock.
    Who’s there?
    Glen Sather
    Glen Sather who?

    Gee, wouldn’t that be wonderful!

  52. courtesy of tsn.ca

    rangers trade ethan werek to phoenix for oscar lindberg.

  53. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    you can trade prospects anytime correct?

    NHL players have to wait until the draft…correct?

  54. Evening gang!

    Appears everyone is stuffed from a Mother’s Feast and/or glued to Wings/Sharks.

    Good to see the Preds win last night.

  55. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    i wonder if he plays grouchy??

  56. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    before I forget, Happy Birthday CCCP!!

  57. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " FOURRR !!!"...says Greg L. on

    Nice post Warren , too bad Sather wasn’t at our draft table all those years cuz we could of landed more Staalsie types.

    Sad to hear Latoya , my prayers are with you .

  58. Nice article by the guest blogger. I’ve known how bad most of their drafts have been, but now more fans can actually see their futility at work.

    I know the Maloney connection with Phoenix, but can the Rangers please stop trading with them?
    Nothing good has resulted as of yet when we trade with the Coyotes.
    Does anyone have any insight and analysis into this trade? I know both players were 2nd round picks.

    Oh, and I love the girl from the Hornitos Tequila commercial on Versus, watching the Wings/Sharks.

  59. Latona – forgot to say I will keep your player and his family in my prayers.

  60. billybleedsblue on

    Mickey, let’s hope Oscar’s not full of it!

    On a more serious note, Latona, I’ve exercised a moment of silence for your lost one. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be to deal with that as a kid. Looking back, I was very lucky with certain things. Anyways, all the best.

  61. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    latona
    best of luck

  62. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    mickey
    the lou still treating you ok?

  63. first off,
    i know i’m late on this……
    but HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!

    second
    nice write up Warren
    but i have an upcoming killer work week
    why are you trying to depress the hell out of
    me?

    funny though i was thinking about something similar
    while watching logan couture play for the sharks.
    funny how a pick that wasn’t in the top 4 didn’t hurt
    the sharks from picking a strong player.

    someday…..

  64. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    looks like the rest of us need to stuff the ballot box against sally!

  65. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    she is killing us!

  66. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    hattie in a losing effort

  67. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    welcome, just didn’t want to be late or miss it!

  68. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " I feel a draft comming up!!"...says Greg L. on

    Yo Freddy , you turning 28 years young ? or are you like Josh ….26.

  69. Thanks for the comments guys. As frustrating as it was to see their drafting, it was a very interesting topic to look at over the last 15 years. If Dolan cared at all about the Knicks or Rangers, you would hope he would judge a GM/President by wins, titles, drafting and free agency. Both organizations have been a disaster and I think you have to blame Dolan at this point for not changing things or bringing in the right people.

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