Islanders at Rangers tonight


This would be — fairly obviously — an important night to get deuce points, given the other games of note. And while rooting for the scoreboard, you should also root — again, needless to say — against any Bettman Bonus Points being doled out.

Tonight’s sked includes:
Winnipeg-bound Thrashers at Devils
Carolina Whalers at Bison Baby Buffaloes

So a good night to make up ground … if the Rangers can take care of their own biz.

I’m headed to MSG later on. Will do the whole nine yards tonight.

Here are the pre-game notes, courtesy of the NYR:

Tuesday, Mar. 15, 7:00 p.m.
Madison Square Garden • New York, NY
Rangers: 36-30-4 (76 pts)
Islanders: 27-32-11 (65 pts)
* All information through NHL games on Mar. 13

The Rangers will begin a two-game homestand when they face-off against the New York Islanders at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), in an Atlantic Division match-up. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Atlantic Division standings, and eighth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 36-30-4 (76 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the San Jose Sharks, 3-2, in the shootout on Saturday at HP Pavilion, and are now 4-1-0 in their last five road games. The Islanders enter the contest with a 27-32-11 (65 pts) record to rank 14th in the Eastern Conference, and have registered at least one point in each of their last seven games (4-0-3). Following the contest, the Rangers will face-off against the Montreal Canadiens on Friday, Mar. 18, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m. EST), in an Original Six match-up.


  • TV: MSG Plus
    6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Al Trautwig and Pat LaFontaine
    7:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Islanders
    Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
  • Radio: 970 The Apple and
    6:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
    7:00 p.m. – Rangers vs. Islanders
    Broadcasters: Don LaGreca (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)


  • All-Time: 111-97-19-5 overall (64-37-11-4 at home, 47-60-8-1 on the road)
  • 2010-11: Tonight is the fifth of six meetings this season, and the third and final at Madison Square Garden. New York is 3-1-0 thus far, including a 2-0-0 mark at home following a 7-2 win at MSG on Dec. 27.
  • Last Season: The Rangers were 3-2-1 overall and 1-1-1 at home. The Rangers’ power play converted at a 22.7% (5-22) success rate in the season series.
  • The Blueshirts have notched 11 goals in 32 power play opportunities (34.4%) in their last eight games vs. the Islanders, including 6-15 (40.0%) in four meetings this season
  • The Rangers rank 26th with a 15-16-3 (33 pts) record at home; the Islanders rank 28th with an 11-17-6 (28 pts) mark on the road
  • The Rangers are 10-8-1 vs. the Atlantic Division; the Islanders are 5-9-4 vs. the Atlantic Division
  • Henrik Lundqvist is 20-9-5 with a 2.11 goals against average and three shutouts in 35 career regular season games vs. the Islanders; Chad Johnson has yet to face the Islanders
  • Marian Gaborik has registered 23 points (12 goals, 11 assists) in 19 career regular season contests vs. the Islanders
  • The Rangers list two former Islanders on their roster: Martin Biron (2009-10); Ruslan Fedotenko (2007-08)
  • The Islanders list three former Rangers on their roster: Mike Mottau (2000-01 – 2001-02); P.A. Parenteau (2009-10); Doug Weight (1991-92 – 1992-93)

The Blueshirts have posted a plus-nine rating on special teams (PPG+SHG minus PPGA+SHGA) this season, which ranks sixth in the league.

  • Power Play: The Rangers did not tally a goal in one power play opportunity (2:00) on Saturday at San Jose, and are now 7-32 (21.9%) with the man advantage in their last nine games. New York ranks 19th overall (42-249, 16.9%) and 15th at home (24-130, 18.5%). The Rangers are 2-10 (8:17) in five-on-three situations (last – 2/22 at CAR), and 0-4 (5:41) when four-on-three (last – 3/1 vs. MIN). Shorthanded goals allowed (4): 11/20 at MIN (Cullen); 12/5 vs. OTT (Kelly); 1/2 at FLA (Weiss); 1/16 vs. PHI (Richards).
  • Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts yielded one goal in three shorthanded situations (4:11) on Saturday at San Jose, and have allowed only 12 power play goals against in the last 28 games (76-88, 86.4% over the span). New York is tied for 10th overall (195-234, 83.3%) and 16th at home (88-106, 83.0%). The Rangers are 7-10 (7:21) in three-on-five situations (last – 2/27 vs. TBL), and 4-6 (2:41) when three-on-four (last – 11/15 at PIT). Shorthanded goals for (10): 10/9 at BUF (Dubinsky); 11/5 at NJD (Dubinsky); 11/15 at PIT (Staal); 11/24 at TBL (Boyle); 11/26 at FLA (Prust); 12/5 vs. OTT (Prust); 12/12 vs. WSH (Staal); 12/16 vs. PHX (Prust); 1/7 at DAL (Fedotenko); 2/27 vs. TBL (Prust).
  • Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in two, four-on-four situations (7:00) on Saturday at San Jose, and are now plus-five in 56, four-on-four situations (112:17). The Rangers are even in one, three-on-three situation (2:00) this season (2/17 vs. LAK). Four-on-four goals for (7): 10/18 vs. COL (Frolov); 11/11 vs. BUF (Anisimov); 11/15 at PIT (Callahan); 12/12 vs. WSH (Callahan); 1/5 vs. CAR (Zuccarello); 3/4 at OTT (Stepan); 3/6 vs. PHI (Zuccarello). Four-on-four goals allowed (2): 10/15 vs. TOR (Kessel); 1/1 at TBL (Thompson).

Brandon Dubinsky (2nd round, 60th overall) and Ryan Callahan (4th round, 127th overall), who were both drafted by the Rangers in the 2004 NHL Entry Draft, reached career marks on Wednesday at Anaheim. Dubinsky registered his 20th goal of the season, marking the second time he reached the 20-goal plateau, and established a new career-high with his 45th point of the season. Callahan recorded his 20th assist and 40th point of the season, marking the first time he reached the 20-assist mark and tying his career-high for points in a season.

Rangers’ forwards Ryan Callahan and Vinny Prospal rank first and second on the team in scoring, respectively, since returning from injury in early February. Callahan leads the team with 10 goals and 17 points in 18 games since returning from injury on Feb. 1 vs. Pittsburgh, following a 19-game hiatus due to a broken hand suffered on Dec. 15 at Pittsburgh. Prospal leads the team with nine assists and ranks second with 13 points in 17 games since he made his season debut on Feb. 3 vs. New Jersey after missing the first 53 games of the season with a knee injury.

Ryan Callahan posted his first career hat trick with a four-goal performance in a 7-0 win vs. Philadelphia on Mar. 6, marking the fifth hat trick by a Ranger this season (Marian Gaborik – 3, Derek Stepan, Ryan Callahan). The five hat tricks are the most for New York since 1999-2000 (five), and the last time three or more Blueshirts recorded a hat trick in the same season was 2000-01 (Radek Dvorak, Theo Fleury, Jan Hlavac, Petr Nedved). Callahan and Gaborik (1/19 vs. TOR) have both recorded a four-goal game, marking the first time in 24 years and only the fourth time in franchise history the team had multiple four-goal performances in a season (1932-33, 1974-75, 1986-87). In 1974-75, four different Rangers registered four-goal performances (Rick Middleton, Rod Gilbert, Greg Polis, Steve Vickers).

The Rangers completed their 16th of 18 back-to-back sets on Mar. 4 at Ottawa. New York is 9-6-1 (3-2-0 at home, 6-4-1 on the road) in the first game of back-to-backs. The Blueshirts are 11-5-0 (4-2-0 at home, 7-3-0 on the road) in the second game this season, having out-scored their opponent, 43-26, in those games. Over the last two seasons, New York is 20-7-2 in the back-end of back-to-back sets, including an 8-3-1 mark at MSG and 12-4-1 on the road over the span.

The Rangers have posted five more wins and five more points compared to last season through 70 games (31-30-9, 71 points in 2009-10), having tallied 16 more goals (198 this season, 182 last season) while allowing 20 fewer goals against (171 this season, 191 last season).  New York has also shown a five-goal improvement while shorthanded compared to 2009-10 (10 this season, five last season).

The Rangers lead the league in hits (1,984), rank second in blocked shots (1,119), are tied for first in shootout wins (eight), second in shorthanded goals (10), fourth in road wins (21), fifth in goals against (171), and rank seventh with a plus-27 goal differential.

The Rangers have had 18 different players credited with at least one game winning goal this season, which is the most in the NHL.


  • Henrik Lundqvist is 3-1-0 with a 1.96 goals against average, a .933 save percentage and one shutout in the last four games
  • Vinny Prospal enters the contest with a six game scoring streak (one goal, six assists over the span), and has tallied 10 points (two goals, eight assists) in the last nine contests
  • Ryan Callahan has recorded 17 points (10 goals, seven assists) in the last 18 games since returning from injury on Feb. 1, including 15 points (eight goals, seven assists) in the last 13 contests
  • Erik Christensen has registered at least one point in four of his last six games (four goals, three assists over the span)
  • Artem Anisimov has tallied five points (three goals, two assists) in the last six games
  • Wojtek Wolski has recorded four assists in the last six games
  • Ruslan Fedotenko has tallied two assists in the last three games


  • Derek Boogaard (injured shoulder on Dec. 9) – 40
  • Alex Frolov (injured knee on Jan. 8, expected to be sidelined for the remainder of the season) – 27
  • Chris Drury (injured knee on Feb. 4, 6 weeks) – 16
  • Martin Biron (fractured collarbone on Feb. 28) – 6

Total Man-Games Lost: 276


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  1. iDoodie machetto on

    Carp, I’m telling you: Phoenix, not Atlanta, is going to Winnipeg.

    Atlanta is going to either Kansas city, Quebec, or Vegas.

  2. Matthias%Koala on

    I doubt that the Rangers can win tonight without Glen beeing down there in Boca Raton and not sitting up there in his box above sealevel of the Rangers World…

    His absence from the game appear to difficult for the Blueshirts to overcome and his leadership will hardly be replaced by someone different !!!!

  3. Matthias%Koala on

    I always wonder when I listen to the interviews made by the from the different GM from Boca Raton Sather is never mentioned by his fellow guys and you dont see him…

    Is he really down there or is he attending the big event right now taking place in Indian Wells near his house in Palm Springs ?????

  4. I dont know if any league will put a team in Vegas. I think the old guard of owners still has a reluctance of placing a pro team in the gambling center of the US even if it really doesn’t matter where you place your bets these days.

    I’d say Quebec has a better shot than Winnipeg, it’s a still a richer city and I’d bet there are plenty of the Québécois that would love an alternative to the Canadiens, similar to how Toronto area fans would probably like a cheaper choice than the Leaves.

  5. I don’t see how one can safely scorn the Islander defense. I’ve been very impressed by the way Gervais for one handles getting the puck out of his zone, and the overall defense of Martinek, and Hillen lately has been very good. And the speed with which the forward lines reposte any attack and generate their own attack is often remarkable. ( Oh, and one other thing…their shooters are VERY accurate at putting a lot of rubber on the opponent’s goal
    ( not wide of it). Beware of that quick response line that they can put out there.

  6. I don’t see how one can safely scorn the Islander defense.


    Giving up the 2nd most goals in the East is one reason.

  7. Buenos Dias Cabezas!

    Ice Hockey in Vegas? That’s almost as crazy as Ice Hockey in Florida or Arizona!

  8. Good game day morning, boneheads!

    Welcome back, CTB!

    You can bet that the Islanders will treat tonight’s game as game 7 of SC finals. Let’s just get two points and move on.

  9. Manfried, supongo que las otras acaban de despertar. Las cabezas no nos gustan las mananas.

  10. Estoy aqui.

    Kansas City? Been there. Done that. It didn’t take them very long to leave either. I had better luck at the casinos in KC than I did in Las Vegas. Gambling is everywhere. If Las Vegas will support a team then go for it. The big question is, will they support a hockey team?

    And, Fran, that’s a pretty nice write up on a last place team.

  11. How could the NHL possibly measure up to Wayne Newton (or even Celine Dione…shudders)?

  12. ILB – Would they even recognize game 7 of the SC Finals? We are rapidly approaching 30 years since the last time they won and near 20 since they took a ROUND in the playoffs.

    Just landed tickets, headed to the game, and STOKED.

  13. this will be one of those games i think. we just squeak out a win and rangesr give us heartaches all the way till teh bitter end and maybe another SO. isles(like fran said) are better than we want to think, they will play us harder than ever tonight , but alot of times if we score alot against them, they usually can keep pace and vice versa in a tight game. with a few exceptions with gabbys big game early on. even if gabby doesnt show up, we are still a better team all the way through to hank. pressure is on us for points so they have the advantage. less to lose for them. and that bruno gervais, lemme tell ya, im already having nightmares about his point shot and crushing hits ala pronger!!! scary!! ok, i was just jokin around fran. see youse later on gotta work

  14. Don’t hate on the Islanders too much……our boys could throw up a stinker tonight and who knows….it might hurt more if you guys really trash the Islanders first!


  15. At first I was wondering if Prust was getting scratched, then I read Gross’s column.

    Interesting tidbit from his site:

    “Prust is one of four Rangers who have played all 70 games, along with centers Brian Boyle, Artem Anisimov and rookie Derek Stepan.”

  16. CTB! Good to see you posting! Nice to have you back, man!

    Tonight is surely going to be a tough game…The Isles have plenty of speedy, goal scoring weapons…

  17. They also have 3 bargain bin pickups (Grabner, Moulson, PAP) that have all done exceedingly well for them. I suppose that offsets the goalie du jour choices they’ve had to make this year. Let’s hope the Rangers remember how they played the last time they faced each other…I’ll be there tonight and want to erase the memory from my last game (Minny).

  18. Could be a messy game tonight. Who knows what kind of antics the Islanders are going to attempt. Hoping there are no crazy “347 Penalty Minutes in 10 Seconds” incidents.

  19. Doodie Machetto on

    fran, Winnipeg and Quebec are only separated by about 100k people, and Quebec has almost double the residents than Buffalo (~270k). Kansas City has even less than that (~160k).

    All they need to do is guarantee 15k in the seats every night.

  20. One thing is for sure tonight –it’s not going to be a walk in a park, like “let’s get 2 points and move on, who’s next” type of things. With Tavares,Okposo,Moulson, Grabner and Nielsen, not to mention our, “love to spoil” PA Parenteau, they have a bunch of stinging, very fast forwards, good in transitions. So, Hank will have hands full…guaranteed. Their defense is much more vulnerable, from forwards, late to get back, to goalies – we will have a chance to create a danger around net, the question is if we would take advantage of this opportunities. Besides, in general, Isles are much more relaxed psychologically as a team.

  21. By some reason, I don’t expect too physical or fighting game. I think, it will be more like permanent ripost exchange, with minimal play in neutral zone and plenty of duels forward-goalie, where acute precision and luck (bounces) will play equal role.

  22. Good morning all!

    Blunt and to the point… Putting aside the two points for a sec, the Rangers need to win this game decisively. The Islanders are playing for pride and not much else. We’re playing for much more and the team needs to put all their cards on the table for the remaining regular schedule. This team needs this for their own confidence, especially playing at home. We need to shove this game down their throats and not take any carcillo while we’re doing it. A shutout victory would be very sweet indeed.

  23. Agreed Heave. Teams playing for pride are very unpredictable and they may just be dirty and injure our guys. Or they could put forth an incredible effort on our ice.

  24. I have a feeling after seeing the Rangers destroy the Flyers, teams won’t allow the Rangers to wear the whites at home anymore.

  25. Shhhh….Don’t speak too loud. According to Zipay, Boogaard is on the ice this morning…

  26. CT – I gotta believe that the Phlyers game was an absolute fluke. They Phlyers were horrible from their defense to their goaltending.

  27. Oh I think any 7-0 win comes down to one team showing up and the other one not leaving the hotel room. But hockey players are superstitious and if I was playing the Rangers I’d make them wear the heritage jerseys every time.

  28. Teams need to go back to wearing white at home. Enough of this nonsense. The retired jerseys are all white.

    Whites at home!

  29. CT Blue

    Don’t be captivated by their overall stats for the season…..they’re not the same bunch they started out with………..and there lies the danger. When I keep seeing comments about the “fishsticks_ and NY fans long simmering feud, I can just hope that Ranger players don’t bring that same attitude to the ice, and not take this team seriously. All one must do is have watched them over this past couple of months and see how well they have improved themselves. They’re not using DiPietro any longer, for one thing. ( And I hope they do start him in a few..because he is a leftover star whose time has passed.) This could be a BIG gainer for the Rangers if they really bear down and try to decimate the Isles instead of squeaking by. Remarkably, this team seems to get up really good for the top teams, but when they go against the so called schmeggeties of the league…they let up. they start coasting, they get careless with their clearing passes and their goal mouth behavior ( both ends of the ice).

    one dopey move that I;ve seen some Ranger players make is after attacking deep in the other zone, and an opponent by passes the forechecker…I’ve seen guys go half way across the rink to take the body of a guy who is still in his zone,while the puck is now well on the way toward the Ranger goal and the Ranger player is still behind his team, just to make that body contact, and loses the ability to catchup to defend his own zone. Watch for this happens to several of these folks. No sense at all. Sure the guy should “finish his check”…but there has to be some common sense applied and know when it is a dumb move, and forget it – go get the puck carrier and help out
    your team.

  30. Point taken. I love those Heritage Jerseys. Unfortunately, they look better than they perform.

    White Jerseys = (Non-Racist) White Power!

  31. Fran, right on! And I wish they would stop ‘chasing’ the opposing D man behind the net. It only puts the forechecking forward behind the play as the puck gets moved out of the zone.

  32. fran,

    Sure they’ve played better D of late and they can score in bunches. As far as I’m concerned the records and current streaks of both teams go out the window when they play, but they don’t play a lot of shut outs or games where they only give up 1, even as their overall play has gotten better. They’re almost guaranteed to give up at least 2 goals. And they don’t have a D-man that shuts down opposing lines. Sauer or McD would be their top shutdown D, let alone Marc Staal.

  33. Big game! Huge two points! Islanders suck! Rangers rule! Hockey is cool!

    i hope these comments qualify me to post on this blog since they are hockey related. Right mutt dog lane? :P

  34. All the stats and standings are out the window at 7. Rangers-Islanders. That’s how it should be. The fishsticks are going down. Bad.

  35. CTB!

    Chuck, very funny. Almost as good as the Renney Line Generator. Who has time to do these things?

    NYR, way to stay on top of that Village People Gillies stuff.

  36. I regret not returning in time for the ticket contest. I’ll probably go to one of the games next week. Where do they have you sitting these days Carp?

  37. So, do we pencil in Gabby for a hat trick tonight? ;-)

    I, for one, am mildly concerned about tonight’s game. The Isles ALWAYS play us strong and with the Rangers stinking it up on home ice for most part this season, it’s important for the Rangers to get off to a strong start tonight.

    If the Isles score early and initiate the physical play, it could get ugly quick.

    Hopefully, we just blow them out of the water. And take it to Tony Montoya!

  38. Stranger Nation on

    CJP – as long as its in pencil, you are safe…

    Who is starting/sitting tonite?

    I would start Em over Gilly.

  39. Yea, would love to know who is playing and what the lines look like tonight…. any further info on the Boooooooooo-gyman?

  40. Whoa… I saw that too but cant understand it…. Help from the collective?

    Why would we sit Wolski? Does Christiansen support Gabby that much better than he needs a place? That goal WW got in the SO was as clutch as they come….

  41. My take, for what it’s worth: They like the way Christensen and Gaborik played together, and they need more “jam” against the Isles, so Avery and Eminger have to play. So it probably came down to Wolski or the Italian Kid. But I don’t know for fact that those changes are the ones being made.

    Will have more from Torts late afternoon/early evening.

  42. I suppose we will have to delegate Carp to ask this question on our behalf when he sees Torts later tonight.

  43. I’m just getting back to blogging speed, I could have caught you on that last one.

  44. Some encouraging statistics:
    I’ve compared the number of points by all teams’ leading point getters and as it stands now we’re at honorable 4 place from the bottom with our main guy Dubinsky’s 45 points.
    I don’t know what it says about Rangers’ talent level (well, I actually know), but think about the fact that the guy with the most points on the team might not even have 50 points at the end of the season and also our bellowed PAP has the same number of points as him!

  45. Stranger Nation on

    As much as he is painful to watch, the EC goal on the pass from Vinny was the kind of goal the Rangers do not score enough of. Classic hockey play with one man below winning battle and having two up high cutting to cage.

    If we lose SO, people will be bellyaching about WW not there. The goal should be to win in regulation. We still have EC and Zuc for SO.

  46. From Zipay’s twitter:

    Boogaard after skating: “Encouraging. Haven’t had any setbacks. It’s awesome to be back in a structure.”

    A structure? I’m afraid he thinks he is now in construction business…I’d pull him back for a while if I were Ramsay.

  47. No, CTB, I didn’t. Was thinking about it…But I’m very happy with my old one. There isn’t too much improvement. I’ll wait for 4G compatible…I think.

  48. Good afternoon all! ilb, you getting lonely in here on the playground all by yourself? welcome CT!!! Missed you!

    I’m happy to finally see a decently scheduled game. I’ll be happier if we win it. Welcome back Sweet 16!

  49. Stranger Nation on

    Rangers may have over 6 20 goal scorers though – agree you need top talent, but youngsters are improving…

    Lack of back-line scoring is an issue. Very little O from D. However, 4th lowest GAA (tied) in NHL.

  50. Team becomes a real SC contender, when they will have a winning combination of:
    The best skater – Boogaart,
    The best fighter – Gabby,
    The biggest guy – AassenCucarella,
    The ugliest ever – Hank,
    The silent Shy Princess – Avery,
    Polite Prize winner – Torts,
    Comprehensive English Speaker – AA,
    And have followers, as such non-opinionate group of fans, like always quiet RR blog.
    (Lesson taken from George – “An Opposite”)

  51. Thanks Carp / ILB

    Figured that was the case with WW but I just get the sense he’s got an honest shot at being a GREAT player if he maintains high levels of desire and keeps playing in the system.

    Agree, EC hasnt been bad by any stretch as of late and I seriously love watching MZA on the ice…

    Interested to see what game Avery brings.

  52. Flyers leading scorer last year had 62 points, they had a pair of 30 goal scorers. I think the Rangers are taking a similar approach to building their team, a solid top 9 F and top 4 D. Not going to get too top heavy like the Pens and Caps.

  53. That nhl wheels of justice is pretty accurate. If you put in Crosby as the perpetrator, only 2 choices show up on the wheel: hockey play, or paltry fine. If you put Avery in, it automatically changes to 3, 6, 9 games or the season! The comments are great too. Very clever page, haha!

  54. At the very least EC is using the one thing that makes him a useful player, his shot. Ride the hot streak while they can.

    MZA has been on/off lately. Now he’s not a bad skater, but any comparisons to Marty St. Louis can pretty much stop at their similar size and stickhandling. St. Louis is much faster with a much better shot. I hope as much as anyone that MZA turns into a legit threat, but it’s fair to say his game has dipped a little.

  55. Will be very interesting to see what Pittsburgh does down the road. I suspect they will starting fading slowly. They are running on pure adrenaline and riding their two best players- Letang and MAF. Letang looked very shaky against Montreal the other day, and they lost 3-0.

  56. Stranger Nation on

    Pens are leaking – the adrenaline will only take them so far and if La Flower can stand on his head – been playing very well recently

  57. Right when everybody here gave up on Erik Christensen he started playing well. Keep trashing him guys.

  58. Stranger Nation on

    Wolski needs to get much more consistent to be given the prime time. He disappears during games

  59. The Pens and the Phlyers are in trouble. Both of them are going to falter down the stretch leaving the 1 Seed open for the Caps.

  60. Do i break my self-imposed ranger embargo and watch the game tonight? Last game was the home loss to Minny. I missed Ottawa and Philly and the west coast swing…….

  61. John – What were you doing during those games? Maybe what you were doing instead of watching is equally important.

  62. Hm, just looked at how Neal and Goligoski have fared since that trade. Neal has 1 G and 2 A while logging 17 mins.

    Goligoski has 1 G and 7 A while logging 25 mins. Looks like the Stars fans that were saying Neal isn’t the same player everyone thinks he is might have been on to something.

  63. Everybody looked good against the Flyers 3 games ago. Chad Johnson even looked good.

  64. If ilb relegates EC to Todd White status, he will overtake Stamkos for the goal scoring title.

  65. Stranger Nation on

    Rangers can smack both Isles and Debbies with win tonite. Can realistically win 4 out of next 5.

    This scenario will work tonite:

    Thrashers over Debs
    Caps over Habs
    Canes over Bufs (no 3pt game!)
    Sens over Pens

  66. Stranger Nation on

    CTB – actually only 3 scorers in Flyer game – Cally, MZA, and Artie.

    Not a huge MZA fan, but he lives large on the ice. Getting 8 mins a game so no big minutes.

  67. 18 m ago By Steve Zipay











  68. I thought the Coyotes were Winnipeg bound. The Thrashers and Panthers can choose between Quebec and Hamilton. :)

    Good chance that Montoya gets the shutout tonight? I’m cynical about crappy goalies and former Rangers. Goal(s) from PAP?

  69. MZA will be fine, remember that he is only a rookie and will get much better. The guy is one of our most creative players. He looked great in the Flyers game…

  70. Hobbit Wizard will command greater skills and a +10 goal scoring stick next season.

  71. Mister Delaware on

    Rangers win 4-2, but only after a lackluster 1st period that has them down 2-0 and Torts on the verge of stabbing someone. Goals by Gaborik, Callahan, AA and Dubinsky into the open net. Much jubilation follows.

  72. I’m not trying to say MZA is a flash in the pan. I think he’s got some great raw skills. But his game was slipping before the wins against the Sens and Flyers, which obviously he helped make into such blowouts.

    But they gave him ice time most games even when he wasn’t producing with a couple of exceptions and they’re keeping him in the lineup after playing 8 mins against the Sharks. It shows that the staff has faith in him, which even though the playoffs are on the line and yadda yadda, is more important than how much he actually produces.

  73. Good afternoon everybody! Should be a great game tonight. Rangers really need this win tonight and they will do it! They seem to play better when they are under pressure.

  74. It’s possible I’m wrong but it seems to me since the all star break this team wins a game and than loses 3 in a row, wins a game, loses 5 in a row. I haven’t seen anything that tells me this team will go on a run the remainder of the season. I guess what I’m saying is it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the rangers lost tonight. They better win tonight only because I don’t see them beating Montreal. It appears the Canadians have the rangers number.

  75. I like Prospal…I really do. But for tonights game I’d like to see WW on the ice though maybe a bench scare will do him good.

  76. billybleedsblue on

    Hey, I’ve been wondering this for a little while now…when the Flyers were last at the Garden, they were asked to wear their home orange sweaters. Now, I’m just curious how that exactly goes down. When were they asked? Who asks them that? Why would they say yes? Can they say no? Wtb? Anyone? Carp? Hellooooooo?!?

    Heh, anyways, I can’t wait for tonight’s game. LGR!

  77. Stranger Nation on

    ToMG – Rangers won 3 out of last 4 including Sharks and Flyers in that mix. They may be on the verge of a Carp suggested roll we have all been waiting for. As stated earlier, if they play like they are capable, they can win 4 out of next 5 (Habs game as only loss).

    The Isles do not like to bang and the Rangers game matches up well as the Isles forwards are not happy to work in the ‘boardroom’, they want to skate, get in open ice with some speed and whip some shots on goal. Need to be careful with puck in our zone, make them work on D and force their forwards to play low. NO blind passes through the crease that turn into odd man rushes. Tonite’s game is one where puck possession is critical. The kind of game Prust and/or scores in.

  78. the favorite headline of the day——-

    “Russian bomb squad called in to defuse sex toy”

    let the jokes begin

  79. Gotta cheer the Canes as we control our destiny at this point and I dont want to get into the PO’s in 8th. Either we face a Flyers team thats given us fits all season save for one game or a streaking Caps squad angry for vengeance.

    I’d rather match up against a faltering Caps Squad, Bruins, etc.

    7th seed or bust!

  80. Cheer for the Sabres. The Canes are your biggest threat. Sabres are on a tear since new ownership took over…putting you and them in the rearview tonight.

  81. Wolski needs to be in the lineup despite his inconsistencies. the guy is 4th on the team in points per game…

  82. obviously Buffalo winning in regulation is the best option but i’ll take Carolina in regulation over a 3 point split

  83. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Huge game tonight and the potential is there for a nice run over then 6-8 games. Looking at their schedule, after the habs on Friday…a game I feel they are due to win, they have a good chance to begin the lock down process on a playoff spot. However, one game at a time is best. Rangers – move those feet, finish your checks, drive to the net, get shots on goal, clear the crease, and no silly penalties….. Sounds simple doesn’t it?

  84. Mister Delaware on

    “It’s possible I’m wrong but it seems to me since the all star break this team wins a game and than loses 3 in a row, wins a game, loses 5 in a row.”

    Actually, if you believe in trends, tonight’s game is a lock. Rangers haven’t had a one game winning streak since the break, its always been 2 in a row.

    1 OT Loss
    4 Losses
    2 Wins
    2 Losses
    2 Wins
    3 Losses
    2 Wins
    1 Loss
    1 Win

    7-10-1, 15 points in 15 games

  85. Yeah. We have to cheer for the Baby Buffalo’s the rest of the way.

    We can’t battle the Canes for 7th and 8th, because most likely the Baby Buffalo’s will replace us, since they have those three games in hand.

    So we might sit in 9th!

    Go Baby Buffalo’s! Canes have been struggling lately, Good for us.

  86. Thanks ORR!… Explain that to your friend dudley. The three games in hand is crucial.

  87. Here’s another way to look at it:

    Carolina has a Staal brother, who despite his rough play against his brother is a beast of a player and they traded something of value for draft bust Sanguinetti.

    Rangers got Drury, Kalinin and Kotalik from the Sabres.

    Go Canes!

  88. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    If the caps stay at number 2, it sure would be nice if the rangers squeeze in 7th. We win that series in a sweep while outscoring the caps 28-0.

  89. Buffalo Gal – I understand math of the simple variety and appreciate what games in-hand mean as they relate to our boys.

    That being said, I personally dont see the point in “hoping” for an 8th seed when a 7th is a possibility. I’ve seen the Canes begin to play poorly and I believe the Sabres are picking it up. Errgo, I want the struggling team that I dont view as a threat to procure some points opening up the slot right ahead of us for the taking.

    I do believe its 6 in one and half dozen in the other at this point and was curious about it myself this morning…. Plus, i still remember Drury screwing us with that final few seconds shots as a Baby B and it still stings.

  90. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Those 3 games in hand are only good if you win. We have the sabres one more time. I am not convinced that buffalo is all that good.

  91. look what the flyers were able to do finishing 8th last year, and at the Rangers expense.
    got to root for the Canes to lose, and for all the teams below the Rangers to lose. just make the dance and then worry about opponents.

  92. Dudley I take the opposite opinion.

    As an avid Whalers fan growing up in Connecticut I saw the Hurricanes as the team that blew in and STOLE my team from me. Therefore, I despise them as pillagers and rapers.

  93. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Buffalo gal – “the three games in hand is crucial” ???? I do believe that you have subject – verb issues… Just sayin.

  94. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Let’s go rangers. I see Prust, Avery, and Steppan scoring as the rangers win 3-0.

  95. Baby Buffalo’s are definitely the real deal. Miller is the real deal. I just can’t see them missing the playoffs.

    The Flyers last season were a very underrated team last year. They had to deal with injuries all of last season, which is why they ended up in 8th. If they were healthy, they would have probably finished higher.

    They were a lot more talented than this NYR team, as well as experienced.

    That being said, this is the Leastern Conference, so anything is possible, I suppose.

  96. Baby Buffalo’s April games are against Caps, Canes, Lightning, Flyers, Jackets. Pretty tough.

    Rangers April games are against Flyers, Bruins, Thrashers, Devils

    Canes April games are against Isles, Baby Buffalo’s, Red Wings, Thrashers, Lightning

    At least the two of them will verse tough teams in the final game of the season, just in case we’re ahead by a point, or tied.

  97. Rangers got Drury, Kalinin and Kotalik from the Sabres.

    Go Canes!


    Not to mention the infamous 7.7 seconds goal by Drury against us!! We could’ve been a contender! (dreams are sweet, but hey, you never know!)

    so…uummm.. Let’s go Canes!

  98. dudley has a point as the Rangers have zero chance of beating Philly in a 7 game series whereas any other team we can wind up winning (except Pitt with a healthy Crosby).

    although personally id rather be in 8th hoping for a miracle then 9th hoping for a better draft pick

  99. not to mention we do own Carolina’s 2nd round pick so them missing the playoffs does help us…

  100. How does it help us, Oleo? It’s only one spot. Unless they completely tank, which they wont.

    I want a tough team. Why do you all want to be teased by versing a team we can “easily” beat?

    I want a tough series. These guys need a test. I want Flyers, Bruins, or Lightning.

    If they can’t beat those teams, then they don’t deserve to advance.

  101. Stranger Nation on

    We finish 8th and Caps continue roll and finish 1st. BBBs get the filth in round 1, miller steals a series and the east is wide open!

  102. I want a tough series too! Our kids need the experience!! Boston/Philly/Wash would all be great matchups!

    Out of all the teams, I think we stand the least chance against Tampa. We just don’t have enough firepower to match them.

    Oleo – It’s a weak draft anyway.

  103. wicky(grating PIBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    morning ILB and all (afternoon really)!!!

    Couple of quick things from yesterday and then off to work and a dvr’d game late tonight!!

    I voted for boston as the opponent, we play them pretty close and I think they got worse at the deadline!

    The other thing was i guess mrs wicky and mickey shared a birthday yesterday, so happy birthday mickey (I may have said that already, but if not, belated!!).

    LGR and later assens!!

  104. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Buff gal – my break at starbucks is not over for another few minutes. But I imagine there are beds not being made at the Buffalo holiday inn due to your posting here. Don’t forget about the extra towels in room 321 either.

  105. The Caps would be a better matchup than this season’s history shows. Bring ’em on! The Flyers would be a tremendous series to play and learn from as would the Boston Series. Boston is just scary because of Mr. Thomas.

  106. Just scored some last minute ticks for tonight so pumped. Bringing my new chick which i took to the 7-0 Philly game the other day so hopefully she brings them some good luck again tonight! After all the chatter about Al Montoya would be great to get another shut out as well! LGR!!!

  107. I voted for the Caps. They’re playing better now, but a much worse (than now) Rangers team took a better Caps team (than now) to 7 games on Lundqvist and a broken handed Drury.

    All the division leaders have looked vulnerable at some point or another. Flyers and B’s look particularly shaky these days.

  108. ORR

    That’s assuming the Rangers and Canes finish exactly next to each other in the full NHL standings. Right now Rangers have the 12th overall pick and Carolina has the 10th but given how tight the teams are (in both conferences) just one extra loss could see Carolina jump another 2 spots.

    Those extra 3 spots closer might not seem much but the closer you are to round 1, the better chance there is of grabbing a better player.

  109. billybleedsblue – I read in the game recap that the Rangers asked the Flyers to wear their orange jerseys on the Friday before the game, probably even before the Rangers played the Senators that night. They will probably say no from now on for superstitious reasons. Usually, teams would just do that for wearing a third jersey that is white at home or a dark one on the road or a special event at the game.

  110. although if im not mistaken if you make the playoffs you are locked into the last 16 picks so its an even greater disparity

  111. Rangers need to put together a streak, and the schedule SHOULD offer them the chance to do it starting tonight.

    Of course, that’s all dependent on whether or not this team can play at home nearly as good as they can play on the road.

    I’m gonna cringe, though, if I see ANY Ranger talking about “We’re not looking behind us in the standings” because every single time they’ve been content with their standing they’ve dropped the next game.

    Urgency must be 100% the rest of the way. Because you KNOW the Isles are gonna play like their season is on the line tonight.

    Can’t wait for the game…gonna skip the gym tonight and have a drink.

    On a side note, my girlfriend said she’s gonna give up Road Rage for Lent. Gotta admit, it’s a new one (and fitting…because she’s the angriest driver I’ve ever met)

  112. Manfried – I hear ya… I felt the same way and really identified with our Whalers but at the end of the day, we crossed the border a few miles to land in NY at a young age so my hate and rage was short lived ultimately succumbing to nostalgia and an appreciation for the best uni in sports.

  113. The playoff teams cannot draft any lower than 15th, 45th overall. So lets say the Rangers make the playoffs as the 8th seed and lose in the first round giving the Rangers 15th overall. although the Canes are 9th in the east, Nashville, Minnesota, Anaheim and Columbus all have more points so the Canes are drafting 10th and 40th.

    Moving up 5 spots in the 2nd round isn’t a huge deal but it certainly is beneficial no?

  114. which is why if its between Buffalo and Carolina for one spot, and the Rangers are not involved, im rooting for Buffalo. However, right now the Rangers playoff chances are more important than draft pics so keeping the teams below you farther away is much more important than keeping the teams above you closer

  115. First of all, it’s only one game in hand, not three. Second, new Buffalo ownership doesn’t play hockey, now, does it?

  116. Rangers last few 2nd round picks have been pretty good. Dublowsky in 2004, Sour Power in 2005, Artie in 2006, Step-On in 2008

    Then you have Thomas from last years draft who is having a great year in the OHL, and Werek the year before. I don’t know much aboot Werek though.

  117. Dudley – I am an expert at succumbing so maybe I can give it a go this time. I don’t hate the ‘Canes the way I used to when I was a kid. I probably cried when they won the cup.

  118. Someone needs to get in touch with Sally so she can keep the Buffalo fans in line.

  119. wait a minute, happy belated birthday mrs. wicky….ilb, the other way makes it sound like she’s happy to be, um, belated :)

  120. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Hopefully, regulation wins abound tonight. One shift, period, and game at a time. Let’s go rangers!!!!

  121. it’s nice to have dreams:

    “Besides winning the Stanley Cup, playing the Rangers in a playoff series would probably be the biggest,” said Nielsen, who has 8 points in his last 10 games against the Rangers. “That would be something special. I’m pretty sure all of New York would go hockey crazy. It would be something where if you’re wearing an Islander jersey or a Ranger jersey, that’s something everybody dreams about. Getting together for a seven-game series, that would be amazing.”

    and the NYPD would rack up lots of OT…..:)

  122. This Isles game for the Rangers is very very important. We need to come out strong from the opening faceoff and play a full game and win. I believe this game will determine our playoff chances, whether we miss the playoffs/back into the playoffs or make the playoffs by the content of our own team.

  123. Watch out for PA Parenteau tonight all. He still holds a grudge and plays well against our boys.

  124. It makes sense the Islander players would feel a special relationship with their fans.

    I mean, after all, when only a couple hundred people come out to a game…you really can get to know them by name. Hey, that guy sitting alone in section 210…that’s Marv! Still rocking the Steve Perry Journey moustache…The girl alone in section 120, that’s Melanie! Still rockin’ the same acid wash jeans she had on when the Isles were last relevant…

    Truly a magical kinship with their fans.

    Anybody else just a little worried about Montoya tonight? The Rangers DO have a habit of making opposing goalies look like the next coming of Tretiak this year.

  125. Tavares, Grabner, Okposo, Bailey, Moulson, PAP….we have to stop all of them…

    And yes, someone should take liberties against Konopka tonight…

  126. Rangers better bring their A game tonight. This is going to be a tough one.


  127. I am getting scared …. :(

    think positive, think positive, think positive…..

    gotta run for a bit…see you all for game. LGR!!!

  128. Gorton's fishsticks on

    The Long Guy Land Retreads. we take your throwaways, and we recycle them into nhl regulars

    we Grabner your attention, and then we Montoya with you

    we will take blake Comeau, or even perry Como.

    this is a Snow job, a chicken in every Potvin

    and our owner has us moving to Kansas City, Kansas City here we come.

  129. Hopefully the MSG crowd gets our boy’s engines into 5th gear from the opening faceoff. Hopefully we get the first goal and then another. I hate it when the crowd boos the home team. It’s the last thing this team needs.

  130. Amen Heave. I hope people get behind them and remind them how much we like them. We will still like them even if they don’t succeed! They are like our children and we will appreciate them despite their flaws.

    On a serious note…I do hate when people boo their team. It seems really unproductive.

  131. Mister Delaware on

    “Mister Delaware – Wouldn’t that be 15 points in 18 games since the break? Not so good for them.”

    You mean if you do the simple addition correctly? Yes.

  132. bull dog line on

    man, you are such a baby! you are still whining about the other day? move on already.

  133. motivational quote:

    “Here’s a name for you nostalgia fans: Clarence “Screaming Buffalo” Swamptown. I’ll never forget an exclusive interview in which Swamptown revealed that he calls his hockey stick the “Big Tomahawk,” and he usually refers to the opposing players as “the little scalps”. “

  134. Stranger Nation on

    The Rangers at home are, it seems, feast or famine. If they start rolling early and bang some rebounds in, this could be a laugher like the last one at home. Isles are young and can be rattled. Need to pound these guys early and often.

    Three is the magic number for goals. 22 wins and 9 losses when scoring three in regulation this season.

  135. A Scene from Swingers:

    Sue: What about you, Mikey? At least I f*&^#n’ have balls, man. You’re always whining about some b*&$ that left you a year ago!

    Mikey: It was six months ago, and she didn’t leave me.

  136. SLAPSHOT:

    Peterboro Referee: I got my eye on the three of you. You pull one thing, you’re out of this game. I run a clean game here. I have any trouble here, I’ll suspend ya.

    Steve Hanson: I’m listening to the f__king song!

  137. Trent: “I wish they still had fights in this game, so I could bitch slap Wayne.”
    Mike: “What! They don’t have fighting anymore?”
    Trent: “Doesn’t that suck?”
    Mike: “Why’d they get rid of the fighting? It was the best part of the old version.”
    Sue: “I think kids were hittin’ each other or somethin’, man.”
    Trent: “Yeah, but you know what, Mike? You can make their heads bleed in this one.”
    Mike: “Make somebody’s head bleed… ”
    Sue: “No man, we’re in the playoffs.”
    Trent: “I’m gonna make Wayne Gretzky’s head bleed for super-fan #99 over here.”

  138. Yes! NYR…NICE pull. And without much relevancy – one of my favorites…

    Mike: Look, we’re gonna spend half the night driving around the Hills looking for this one party and you’re going to say it sucks and we’re all gonna leave and then we’re gonna go look for this other party. But all the parties and all the bars, they all suck. I spend half the night talking to some girl who’s looking around the room to see if there’s somebody else who’s more important she should be talking to. And it’s like I’m supposed to be all happy ’cause she’s wearing a backpack, you know? And half of them are just nasty skanks who wouldn’t be nothing except they’re surrounded by a bunch of drunken horny [assens]. And I’m gonna tell you something T. Are you listening?

    Trent: Yeah, I’m listening.

    Mike: I’m not gonna be one of those [assens]. Alright? It just makes me sick. It’s like, some nasty skank who isn’t half the woman my girlfriend is, is gonna front me? It makes me want to [expletive] puke!

  139. Eddie Eddie Eddie on

    Tonight it’s the isles, fans thru turnstiles, need a win, be a sin, rin tin tin … was a dog, drop a log, in the bog, 2 in a row, starts the show, Thursday it’s 3, frolov’s knee, really hurts, have a certs, tastes real good, as it should, sticks of wood, now are relics, watch Tom sellick, Porno stasch, 100 yard dash, love the clash..

  140. billybleedsblue on

    Spider, thanks…I didn’t realize those were alternate sweaters…I thought they were just the regular white ones…I thought they said “Rangers” Hmmm…
    I guess my point was that

    Carp, the Isles ALWAYS play-up against the Rangers. It doesn’t matter how young they are, or what place they’re in, it’s just what they do. Especially in a game like tonight…at the Garden, Rangers a borderline playoff team, Isles all but mathematically eliminated…they will feel they’ve something to prove in Manhatten…even if the players on their roster haven’t faced the Rangers many times…

    Article is smart to mention Montoya too. You’ve gotta imagine he’ll be all about showing up his former team, and he’s been playing well recently to boot.

    Should be a good one tonight. LGR!

  141. bulldog – You attacked him. He has a right to still be upset. You have no right. And what does one call your 3:59 post? You’re whining about him “whining.” Cut the carcillo and apologize to him.

  142. billybleedsblue on

    “I guess my point was that”

    …was that I thought the Rangers just wanted to wear white to pretend they were on the road against a team they’ve had trouble with. I can’t imagine why the Flyers would go along with such a ploy…

  143. Flyers probably figured it didn’t matter what colors the Rangers were going to wear, they’d beaten them in white already.

  144. bull dog line on

    I don’t usually waste my time responding to you, but I will break my rule this one time.
    I do not see it the way you do. CCCP, and I had a disagreement, and said our piece, that should end it. I have no reason to apologize to him, nor should he a reason to apologize to me. I think he should just move on, I have.

  145. bull dog line on

    Wolski is a healthy scratch tonight. not sure I like this one. I may have done Zuccarello instead.

  146. “CCCP, why don’t you tell us how you feel about anything hockey related. most of your time is spent on being a comedian”

    That’s not a disagreement. That’s you being a Brian Bouche. You ought to apologize for personally attacking him. Just my opinion.

    P.S. Please don’t respond to me; dont break your rule again. I rarely read anything you post; there’s not much value to your posts.

  147. Yeah the Mets are going to not be good this year, but thanks for the well wishes.

  148. shhots is how you spell shots after you’ve taken a few too many shots at the Blarney Rock or Mustang Harry’s.

  149. Swingers…great freakin’ movie. Totally a “moment in time” movie that guys my age can completely agree with.

    And the glory that was NHL ’94 is something I’ll always love.

    That being said…NO SOFTIES TONIGHT, HANK!!!


  150. bull dog line on

    by the time the Mets seasons ends, we will not recognize the team. Reyes,and Beltran will be gone, and if there is a market for Bay he could be gone as well. Wright has the most value, but I do not think they are going to trade him.

  151. I hope somebody makes somebody’s head bleed tonight!

    “Like house of pain was gonna do anything!”

  152. bull dog, the catch 22 is that the only way Beltran gets moved is if he plays reasonably well and can move at more than a limp’s pace in RF. Even then they’ll have to eat probably like 80% of his remaining salary. But if he does well then that probably means the Mets are doing ok and as much as they don’t have a snowball’s chance to win anything they still need to sell tickets.

    As for Reyes, he’s going to want a huge sum of money from whichever team signs him next year. I suppose even if he’s traded his new team can offer him arb and get 2 draft picks for him when he signs somewhere else. The question is which teams would have the $ to pay him at SS?

  153. Not a fan of that decision. Wolski wasn’t that good the last two games or so, but he helped get us a point in the last game. That has to count for something.

    Wahhhh! Torts doesn’t give God a chance, waaaah! Think again. Wolski is useful, and he’s getting scratched in favor of God.

    Is Torts still unfair, Loneranger, or any of you God lovers???

  154. bull dog line on

    there is talk that they want to have there payroll down to 70 million next season. next season could be uglier than this season.

  155. ORR,
    Sorry,I obviously missed that worship session. Whom you pray to, who is The God, you’re talking about?

  156. #16

    I vowed to never say his last name again. I will refer to him only as “God” because that’s apparently what he is to most Rangers fans.

    Although, maybe I shouldn’t call him that, since God apparently didn’t have much of a fashion sense :—P

    Although, in his defense, he did create the first Wedding dress! Despite it being just a white sheet with three holes in it.

  157. I heard that, I just don’t know how you can rid of some of the larger deals like Santana or Bay completely. Without getting rid of 100% of at least one of those deals $70M is near impossible.

  158. I think MLB might force a sale. They’ll never be the Yankees or Red Sox in terms of prominence, but the Mets are still one of the biggest franchises in MLB and the league would prefer them to be a healthy franchise.

  159. It would help if the Mets were owned by people that actually LIKED the Mets and weren’t just obsessed with the Dodgers.

  160. What make me emotional in negative way, is all this bullcarsillo about high pitch rivalry, expressed by kids grown up somewhere in Minnessota or some FarfromnyLand and, who probably, never even had a time to read about it. Part of business PR they being told to talk about, for ticket selling sake, not more, not less, IMO.

  161. I bet we’ll bush-league this game tonight. I can sense amateur-hour from a mile away.

  162. Manny, thanks for asking. Not sure he’s my buddy anymore (or ever was)!! We talk just business now and nothing personal…He’s a phony…

    At first, I was was pretty pissed. I just have to move on and forget about it. Plenty of chicks out there.

    And, it’s not worth the aggravation at work! Let him deal with it!

  163. ORR,
    Thanks for explanation. I’m very much share this notion. Just don’t want to start again this 100- years war of Roses or Punic wars of words exchange on this subject (or object?)

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