Rangers at Stars tonight


Don’t forget, it’s an 8:30 start. Something to do on a snowy night.

Here are the pre-game notes, courtesy of the Rangers:

Friday, Jan. 7, 8:30 p.m.
American Airlines Center • Dallas, TX
Rangers: 23-15-3 (49 pts)
Stars: 24-13-4 (52 pts)
* All information through NHL games on Jan. 5

The Rangers will face-off against the Dallas Stars at American Airlines Center (8:30 p.m.), in the first game of a back-to-back road set. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Atlantic Division standings, and seventh in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 23-15-3 (49 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Carolina Hurricanes, 2-1, in overtime on Wednesday at Madison Square Garden, to improve to 8-3-1 in their last 12 games at home. New York has now registered a point in 18 of their last 26 games (16-8-2), and eight of their last 10 (6-2-2). The Stars enter the contest with a 24-13-4 (52 pts) record to rank third in the Western Conference, and have won each of their last two games. Following the contest, the Rangers will conclude their back-to-back road set when they face-off against the St. Louis Blues on Saturday, Jan. 8, at Scottrade Center (8:00 p.m.).

*       TV: MSG Plus
8:00 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Bill Pidto and Ron Duguay
8:30 p.m. – Rangers at Stars
Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
*       Radio: 970 The Apple and newyorkrangers.com
8:00 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show
8:30 p.m. – Rangers at Stars
Broadcasters: Don LaGreca (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)


*       All-Time: 68-37-22-1 overall (37-17-11-0 at home, 31-20-11-1 on the road)
*       2010-11: Tonight is the first and only meeting between New York and Dallas this season
*       Last Season: New York was 1-0-0 overall, following a 5-2 victory on Jan. 6 at MSG
*       The Rangers rank first with a 13-7-1 (27 pts) record on the road; the Stars rank eighth with a 12-6-3 (27 pts) mark at home
*       The Rangers are 1-0-0 vs. the Pacific Division; the Stars are 3-0-0 against the Atlantic Division
*       Henrik Lundqvist is 2-2-0 with a 2.27 goals against average and .923 save percentage in four career games vs. the Stars; Martin Biron is 6-3-0-0 with a 2.68 goals against average and .900 save percentage in nine career contests vs. Dallas
*       Marian Gaborik has tallied 14 goals, 15 assists and 29 points in 28 career games vs. the Stars
*       New York lists one former Star on their roster: Sean Avery (2008-09)
*       Dallas lists no former Rangers on their roster

The Blueshirts have posted a plus-five rating on special teams (PPG+SHG minus PPGA+SHGA) this season, which ranks 11th in the league.

*       Power Play: The Rangers did not tally a goal in three power play opportunities (4:46) on Wednesday vs. Carolina. New York ranks 22nd overall (24-146, 16.4%) and 16th on the road (12-70, 17.1%). The Rangers are 1-5 (5:01) in five-on-three situations (last – 11/24 at TBL), and 0-2 (2:23) when four-on-three (last – 12/3 vs. NYI). Shorthanded goals allowed (3): 11/20 at MIN (Cullen); 12/5 vs. OTT (Kelly); 1/2 at FLA (Weiss).
*       Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held Carolina scoreless in three shorthanded situations (4:46) on Wednesday at MSG, and are now 76-87 (87.4%) over the last 29 games. New York ranks 11th overall (116-140, 82.9%) and 10th on the road (66-80, 82.5%). The Rangers are 4-6 (5:08) in three-on-five situations (last – 10/30 at TOR), and 4-6 (2:41) when three-on-four (last – 11/15 at PIT). Shorthanded goals for (8): 10/9 at BUF (Dubinsky); 11/5 at NJD (Dubinsky); 11/15 at PIT (Staal); 11/24 at TBL (Boyle); 11/26 at FLA (Prust); 12/5 vs. OTT (Prust); 12/12 vs. WSH (Staal); 12/16 vs. PHX (Prust).
*       Four-on-Four: New York tallied one goal in two, four-on-four situations (4:23) on Wednesday vs. Carolina, and are now plus-three in 31, four-on-four situations (55:57). Four-on-four goals for (5): 10/18 vs. COL (Frolov); 11/11 vs. BUF (Anisimov); 11/15 at PIT (Callahan); 12/12 vs. WSH (Callahan); 1/5 vs. CAR (Zuccarello). Four-on-four goals allowed (2): 10/15 vs. TOR (Kessel); 1/1 at TBL (Thompson).

The Rangers completed their 10th of 18 back-to-back sets with a 3-0 loss at Florida on Sunday. New York is 5-4-1 (1-0-0 at home, 4-4-1 on the road) in the first game of back-to-backs, following a 2-1 overtime loss at Tampa Bay on Jan. 1. The Blueshirts are 9-1-0 (4-0-0 at home, 5-1-0 on the road) in the second game this season, having out-scored their opponent, 31-12, in those games. Over the last two seasons, New York is 18-3-2 in the back-end of back-to-back sets, including a 8-1-1 mark at MSG and 10-2-1 on the road over the span.

The Rangers have registered four more wins and six more points compared to last season through 41 games (19-17-5, 43 points in 2009-10), having tallied 13 more goals (121 this season, 108 last season) while allowing 11 fewer goals against (104 this season, 115 last season).  New York has also shown a four-goal improvement while shorthanded compared to 2009-10 (eight this season, four last season).

New York is currently eight games over .500 with a 23-15-3 record.  New York was never more than six games over .500 last season, having last been at least eight games over on April 12, 2009 (43-30-9).

The Rangers lead the league in shorthanded goals (eight) and road wins (13), are tied for seventh in wins (23), rank ninth in points (49) and goals (121), and seventh with a plus-17 goal differential.

The Blueshirts have tallied the first goal of the game in 23 of their 41 games, posting a record of 17-5-1 in those contests, and own a record of 10-1-1 when leading after the first period.

New York ranks second in the NHL with 11 points when trailing after two periods, having registered a 4-9-3 mark in those games. New York won back-to-back games on Dec. 15 at Pittsburgh (4-1) and Dec. 16 vs. Phoenix (4-3, SO), despite trailing by a goal entering the third period in both games. The last time the Rangers won consecutive games when trailing after two periods was during the 2008-09 season, on Nov. 15 vs. Boston (3-2) and Nov. 17 vs. Ottawa (2-1). Both games required the shootout.

The Rangers have had 15 different players credited with at least one game winning goal this season, which is the most in the NHL.

The Rangers currently lead the NHL with 1,179 hits and rank second with 651 blocked shots. Ryan Callahan ranked second in the league with 128 hits and led all NHL forwards with 40 blocked shots prior to his injury on Dec. 15, while Dan Girardi currently leads the league with 118 blocked shots and Brian Boyle ranks eighth in the NHL with 125 hits.

The Blueshirts were credited with a season-high, 52 shots in their 7-2 win vs. the Islanders on Dec. 27, their most since they registered 57 shots vs. the Islanders on Mar. 5, 2007 (2-1 win). The Rangers tied their season-high for most shots in a period with 18 in each of the first two periods, and their 36 shots through two periods is the most since recording 37 shots through two vs. Washington on Oct. 12, 2007 (20 in the first, 17 in the second in a 3-1 win). The Blueshirts’ 32-shot advantage over the Islanders on Dec. 27 (52-20) is tied for the second largest in the NHL this season, behind St. Louis’ 39-shot advantage over Anaheim on Oct. 11 (53-14).

The Rangers registered their 20th win of the season with a 4-3 shootout win vs. Phoenix on Dec. 16, reaching the mark in just 34 games which is tied for 12th fastest in franchise history.


*       Henrik Lundqvist is 10-4-2 with a 1.78 goals against average, a .934 save percentage and three shutouts in his last 16 games
*       Brandon Dubinsky has registered 14 points (four goals, 10 assists) in the last 15 contests, including seven points (two goals, five assists) in the last six
*       Matt Gilroy has registered four points (three goals, one assist) in his last five contests, and has posted a plus-10 rating in his last 16 games
*       Marian Gaborik has recorded 20 points (11 goals, nine assists) in his last 23 games
*       Derek Stepan has registered 18 points (eight goals, 10 assists) in the last 25 contests, with six points (four goals, two assists) in the last eight
*       Brian Boyle has recorded 11 points (four goals, seven assists) in the last 14 games, and five points (two goals, three assists) in the last six
*       Dan Girardi has recorded six points (one goal, five assists) in the last 10 games
*       Marc Staal has tallied 11 points (three goals, eight assists) in the last 19 games
*       Mats Zuccarello has registered three points (one goal, two assists) in his last five games


*       Alex Frolov: 3 points from 400 NHL career
*       Brandon Dubinsky: 4 assists from 100 NHL career
*       Matt Gilroy: 6 games from 100 NHL career
*       Henrik Lundqvist: 6 wins from 200 NHL career; 1 shutout from 30 NHL career


*       Dan Girardi: 100th career NHL point (1/1 at TBL)


*       Vinny Prospal (IR on Sept. 24/knee surgery on Oct. 18, 6-8 weeks) – 41
*       Derek Boogaard (injured shoulder on Dec. 9) – 11
*       Ryan Callahan (broken hand on Dec. 15) – 8
*       Erik Christensen (sprained knee on Dec. 29) – 3
Total Man-Games Lost: 127


*       Jan. 3 – Recalled defenseman Ryan McDonagh from Connecticut
*       Jan. 3 – Assigned defenseman Michael Del Zotto to Connecticut

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  1. I cannot get over the fact that the Rangers have only 4 more wins at the halfway mark this year over last year. How come I feel so much happier than 4 wins are worth?

  2. with Booger sitting around with a headache that wont quit(and getting fatter and more out of shape,if thats possible),wonder if Sather makes a move for a goon?
    I dont like the idea of Prust having to answer to the Orrs and Carkners of the league.

    Godard(coming off a Carkner clubbing) and MacIntyre are ufas at the end of the year,both arent being used much,they might be cheap pickups right now.

  3. Headline in the Daily News: Battle may be brewing between Brooklyn and Queens for the Islanders.

    Are they kidding?

  4. onecupin71yearsandcounting on

    If the devils and Isles keep losing is their any chance of them moving from NJ and LI?

  5. <—doesnt care about Avery's return to Dallas.

    tonight is short and sweet: go in play a solid 60 minutes and win the game.

    Marjii, Linda left the Bonehead nation.

  6. Carp, I really enjoy your posts, especially the ones where you list your thoughts after a game! They are dead-on, honest assessments of our boys!!! Great job, Just wanted to say thanks!

  7. agreed ..I was also surprised we only had 4 more wins also ..we did have a strong start last year , i guess it was around midway when the team faded.. lets hope we don’t this year..either way gotta love the way the team has handled itself so far

  8. Dallas has a pretty good record vs the East, 10-2-0, however look who they’ve beaten:
    NJ, NYI, Florida, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Ottawa, Carolina (2), Washington, Montreal.
    So 3 of their 10 wins against the East have come against teams that are currently in the playoff picture.

    Rangers are 6-4-0 against the West.
    Their wins: Chicago, Edmonton, Minnesota, Calgary, Nasvhille, Phoenix.
    Their losses: Colorado (2), Columbus, St. Louis
    2 wins against current playoff teams, 3 losses against playoff teams.

    Then again out West only Calgary and Edmonton are substantially outside the playoff picture. The difference between 4th and 13th is 5 points, whereas the difference between 8th and 9th in the East 5 points.

  9. good gameday morning gang!

    i believe the feeling comes from the fact that this team is 1,000 percent different and better than last year’s team. they may swoon a bit, but that will be growing pains, not sucky play like it was last year.

    Avery will either have a monster game or be totally invisible tonight. nothing in between. i do think it will be the former.

  10. Marji- unfortunately I’m serious about Lin. it was because of personal reasons. she’s on facebook if you wanna track her down.

  11. Flyers wanted Langenbrunner. Maybe they would have gotten him if they rolled over for NJ last night.

  12. The trade away their captain and all they get is a 3rd round pick?

    So essentially the Devils just traded away Langenbrunner for the Kovalchuk contract.

  13. Kind of odd how Dallas would pass on a 40 year old Modano in freee agency but scoop up a 35 year old Langenbrunner in a trade.

  14. Boom Boom Bathgate on

    Re Devils and Islanders may be moving if they keep losing: failed franchises are a golden opportunity for the league, any league, to contract and, 1. make surviving franchises stronger; 2. reduce trans-continental travel scheduling; 3. give the fans a better product; and maybe even 4. reduce the preposterously extended regular season schedule\; and 5. get the hell out for the year in the month of May (late enough) and not still be playing HOCKEY in MID-JUNE, for Christ sake.

    The league used to wrap up its business in April, does that seem possible, now? Of course there was a 50 to 60 to 70-game regular season sked and just two playoff rounds, and since then intrusive, controlling televison has engineered over-expansion of teams and the schedule, as we know, but, damn, enough is enough and too much is gruesome. I say kill crap franchises, reduce the schedule, reduce the travel, and let’s go home by mid-May, and screw-you TV – if only sports owners and executives would have the integrity not to cheapen their product beyond what is rational and sane. Looki at baseball adding playoff teams, and football extending the regular season – AGAIN. Damn, television influence on weak, grubby little people who cannot just say “No” is narcotic and slavish.

  15. The Debbies aren’t really in the Fishsticks league as far as failed franchises. Debbies are usually contenders though their fan base is suspect. Now the Fishsticks. That franchise really needs to be re-evaluated.

  16. Who cares about Langenbrunner, he wanted to be traded to a contender and Lou accommodated him. He won’t be the only Devil that happens to this year.

  17. HEH- so the dry erase bored in my office is done in Red for January. I just refused to write on it in black marker.

    <—true devils hater! haha

  18. Johan pretty cool photo. I’m a Yankees fan but from what a few people have said Citi field is the better of the two stadiums in some ways. It’d be a great choice. I don’t see how they can pass up NY yet again for this thing.

  19. Noah-el Zotto, 28 on

    It’s a shame the Pinstripe Bowl has foreclosed any opportunity to have the game at Yankee Stadium. But I agree…just get it to New York already!

  20. Doodie Machetto on

    I think Langenbrunner’s return to Dallas is the much bigger story than Avery’s.

    My favorite thing is that Lou said he wouldn’t try to trade Brodeur. I also would not try, since it would be futile, because nobody wants the worst goaltender in the league. I was talking with my friend who is a Devils fan about Fatso, and he said that there were some times when he could easily blame the team in front of Brodeur, but there was no need. Brodeur was terrible and he looks slow. I suggested that he managed to play so many games because he isn’t a strict butterfly goaltender, and as a result, his knees were preserved. However, his age and weight have finally caught up to him. My friend agreed, although didn’t agree with the weight, as he is a Devils fan so he doesn’t like all of the Fatso remarks.

  21. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    Morning ILB and all!!
    Just catching up on everything before I head out to work.

    The reason langenbrunner got traded is he was garbage!! Everyone has to realize here that anyone that is waived or traded is simply garbage. It would never have anything to do with organizational depth, personal reasons, falling out of favor, or cap issues.

    That being said, I think it is pretty obvious to a lot of people that contract for kovy just hammered that team in a lot of ways (along with fatso falling apart). And it is spectacular!!!!

    Bull dog
    you seem put out by all of this and I am sorry. I was simply stating in my last post that unless you know valabik personally or watch him play full game a lot, I’m not sure how you can say he is (or isn’t garbage). I don’t watch him a lot, so I’m not sure. At his salary on re entry waivers, seems to me he would be worth a shot. But, since you are so adamant he is garbage I was inferring that you knew him personally, my bad.

  22. Lou also said that he won’t fire John Mac… and then fired him next day! I think at this point no Devils is safe! Not even fat-dork Marty… he has 5 wins this season! LOL

    Now, why can’t our captain crust waive his NTC and move on to another team? At this point, even conditional 3rd rounder will be a steal for us! Imagine freeing up 8 million in cap space? WOW!

  23. The Rangers dont need another goon. Many forget that Prust is one of the best fighters in the league and while he has played well, Frolov, Drury and Avery can all fill in fine on the 3rd line while he’s in the box.

    The Rangers really dont need anything right now. Personally I would look to trade Frolov for a draft pick but we still have 2 months. I mean I’m sure there are teams that could use him. Im thinking Nashville who really need some offense.

  24. Everyone has to realize here that *anyone that is waived or traded is simply garbage*


    LMFAO! Dude…didn’t you almost rupture your spleen last night trying to convince everyone to pick up Valabik off waivers? You are killing me!

  25. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    I was being a smart ass about the situation regarding bull dog’s posts yesterday!

    same thing with gabby being waived!

    You’ll love this tweet by barnaby…

    MattBarnabyESPN Matthew Barnaby
    Or me?? All great but kovalev nasty! Heart tho??RT @dantastic76: Which teammate had more skill between Jagr, Mogilny, Lafontaine or Kovalev?

  26. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    I was also being a smartass about the eklund rumour of langenbrunner to dallas, but I guess the dog shines on a dog’s assen everyonce in a while!

  27. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    a ruptured spleen? guess that explains it!

  28. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    sun shines, not dog shines….I need to go to work…sheesh

  29. Remember when NYR signed Frolov? Even the critics said,”If it doesn’t work out, he can EASILY be traded.”

    Either the NYR are giving him plenty of time to get it together or NO ONE is interested in him at all.

    Just sayin’.

  30. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    guess rozy isn’t on the ice, so mcdonut may get his shot. Anyone has to be better than rozy (almost anyone)

  31. Doodie Machetto on

    Messier and Gretzky were traded. Jagr was traded, twice. Brendan Shanahan was traded multiple times. Ilya Bryzgalov, Rich Peverley, Sean Avery, Sergei Samsonov, and Steve Sullivan (going way back) were all waiver claims.

  32. or maybe they haven’t shopped Frolov around… or maybe, since he’s only signed for one year and maybe because we are playing good hockey they decided to keep him…or maybe he will be traded tomorrow because maybe we don’t know what’s going on behind the closed doors…

    just sayin’…maybe.

  33. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    didn’t really think about that, but good point.

  34. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    amazing if you think about all the other things that could go on behind closed doors……

  35. Tiki's daddy needs to grow a pair, as her daddy was told very rudely on

    wicky has one fine ass! and one smart head!

  36. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    I’m blushing, stop!!

    You are such the flatterer!!

  37. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    no worries. I’ve probably carried this a bit to far (two minutes for sarcasm roughing). So my apologies to all.

  38. Good afternoon all! Ticked that I’m gonna miss most, if not all of game tonight. Hartnell! But LGR!

    Met a guy from Calgary last night. we were chatting hockey, of course, and when I started to offer my condolences on the WJ game, he stuck his fingers in his ears and starting saying “la la la la…” It was hysterical.

  39. Tiki's daddy needs to grow a pair, as her daddy was told very rudely on

    Hi ilb!

    Wicky, I only flatter the deserving! :)

    Did any of see my secret yesterday, or even care?!

  40. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    I saw and I care because it is important to you and you shared. As far as the blog goes, it does not bother me in the least.

    P2 out, mcdonut in…YAY (there was much rejoicing)!!

    fine, I can take a hint (eventually).

    Beckham to tottenham? Seriously??

  41. Just sayin’

    I see no need to move Frolov, but I don’t see any reason to keep him either. I get the idea MZA will go down when Cally comes back, but Frolov is useless and has no place here. I would think that Frolov should get moved if MZA keep his game up.

    Frolov has had more than a fair chance to find his game. Don’t hate him, but he has nothing to do with the core of the team. Fedetenko has come in and done a great job. Frolov not so much. I would deal him now for a pick. Free up that space for a deadline deal if need be.

  42. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    Could we put prospal on LTIR??

  43. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    or booger?

    Prospal should pull a naslund!

  44. well they most likely dont wanna trade Frolov in case we lose another top 6 forward or in the event Prospal never comes back or Zuccarello struggles.

    Id be a little surprised if he was on the team when the season ends.

  45. Prospal isn’t making as much as Naslund, so it’s not as if we desperately need to get him off the books.

    Plus, he’s a good guy to have around. I’d take a half-assed Fankist over Froloaf, EC, and Fedetenko. Feds is decent, but my loyalties lie with those who bear the tan!

  46. Agree, cw. He isn’t playing that bad, and he is effective down low and he can hold on to the puck. But he is here to score, to to fulfill third line duties. If it comes down to who comes out of the line up, he should be the one. I’d rather get something in return now.

    Wicky, you’re the last person I’d tell to go to work. In fact, with your work schedule, I don’t think you blog enough- people stopped noticing when you’re serious and when you are being a smart assen. For the record, I knew what were referring to.

  47. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on


    I agree with the post earlier about picking up another “heavyweight” to avoid prust having to fight all the heavyweights as well.

  48. Wicky- on Prospal. Yes, they can put him on LTIR. But there is no rush to do it- it can be done any time. There is also no reason to do it- LTIRs still count against the cap, it only allows to go above the cap for the amount of that player’s salary minus available cap room, and only during the time the player is out. It will only truly if Prospal is out for the season AND they decide to add someone with huge contract that will push them over the limit.

  49. Hi Guys…. A few games back I would have agreed with you on Frolov, but lately he has been better. If he continues to play the way he has been the last few games, I don’t see any problem with him. Gabby was not very effective for a while, but last game he looked like the Gabby of old. Gilroy has improved big time. In my opinion Rozy has not been good for a while, maybe he has been injured, but what ever the reason, I will be happy to see him out of the lineup tonight. Also it will be good to see what Mcd has to offer.

  50. Sauer can fight. McIlrath is nicknamed the “Undertaker” in the WHL and will be a monster hen he comes up. We have guys in Hartford who are goons : Soryal and Nightingale. We have enough tough guys already…

    Def don’t need a goon…waste of space…Booger is a joke…

  51. Frolov, EC, Prospal, Fedotenko just like Voros and Rissmiller were risk/reward signings. Some hits, some misses.

    Frolov doesn’t necessarily do anything particularly well except hold the puck along the boards. He’s too slow that he needs half a rink on a breakaway to be in free and clear. But he’s reliable enough in his own end where he can eat up 4th line minutes without being a detriment to the team. MZA is already getting top 6 minutes over him at this point so he’s not really stealing ice time from anyone.

  52. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    like these d pairs

    #NYRangers D-pairs: Staal-Girardi Eminger-Sauer Gilroy-McDonagh.

  53. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    I def see the points of no-goons, just a bit worried about prust’s heart writing a check at some point his jaw can not cash!

  54. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    aves on line with AA and gabby tonight. wonder if torts is playing a hunch on a big game from aves in dallas or if he actually is letting him play there because he seserves it.

  55. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    wow! deserves is not seserves it….

  56. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    question answered, nevermind…

    NYDNRangers Jesse Spector
    RT @thenyrangers: Torts says Avery “coming off a great game” on Wednesday & that is why he is bumped up, not bc of Avery’s return 2 Dallas

  57. I didn’t realize the guy Prust tangled with last time was 6-4, 225. Sheesh. I think Prust won it, too. But I do see your point, you don’t want him to dance with Carkners of the league

  58. Frolev is crafty with the puck at times, but it seems he is just to slow to be really effective in the goal scoring dept. Even in the scrums around the net he does not get to the puck quick enough anymore. He is definately not the player he was.

  59. If Prospal ever comes back you have to play him with Gaborik and therefore put Dubinsky back with Anisimov and Callahan. Boyle line stays the same and Drury, Avery and Frolov as the 4th line.

    although if Zuccarello keeps playing this well and produces, they arent going to send him down.

  60. I’m in, Carp!

    Does anyone know if Don Cherry has been released from the intensive care unit?

  61. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on



  62. Doodie Machetto on

    I thought there was an exception to the 35 and over contract when the retirement is due to injury. I think that’s what happened with Mogilny.

  63. 1.fighters have value.they get the team and crowd pumped,and keep the other fighters honest.
    2.Sather loves fighters.
    3.the guys i mentioned(Godard, Mac) make less than 800k
    i want Sauer fighting even less than Prust(who has a shoulder problem that will linger all season if he has to keep handling all the fighting)
    I agree Soryal, DiDiomete, Nightingale are options too.

  64. wicky, I get the gist of what bull dog was saying and I’m inclined to agree. While I agree with you that the Rangers still lack a certain element of physicality on the blueline, they’ve gotten better this year as far as team toughness is concerned.

    As for many of the players that you suggest picking up via trade or waivers, I think despite the fact that they’d add to the toughness quotient of the team, they bring almost nothing else to the table. Waiving an NHL player is basically the ultimate form of insult of how a team perceives that player’s value. Add in that so many of the players that get put on waivers pass through without getting claimed, then I think that reflects the low value that every other GM in the league has of those players. There are other instances where you advocate adding players with expensive and/or multi-year contracts that the Rangers could not afford either in terms of the cap or a roster spot. Considerations must be made not only for the NHL roster but the AHL roster as well as there are restrictions to how many veteran players can play in the AHL. Also for the organization as a whole there is a maximum number of players under contract a team can retain.

    In the context of the Rangers player system, defense is basically the last position the Rangers need to add any more players. With 3 or 4 players primed to make the jump as soon as next year there’s no room for any additional veterans. Like any prospects, not all of them are guaranteed to work out, but it is important that the Rangers evaluate their prospects whether at the NHL or AHL level and adding in more players to the mix is going to hinder the development and evaluation process.

  65. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    did you guys hear about this??

    Buccigross John Buccigross
    Tuesday night in the USHL , Andrew Prochno, fired a blue-line shot so hard off the post that the puck broke into two pieces

  66. hockeymon- I don’t know for sure, but I’d guess that’s where he ended up after that Canada WJ collapse….

  67. Yes, we had the video link of the shot that broke the puck posted by somebody in the last few days … it was also on NHL.com.

  68. Frolov-Drury-Avery has got to be the most expensive 4th line in NHL history. When Prospal and Cally comes back, people have to go, some how some way. And MZA has to stay up too.

  69. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    sorry for the reposting of info!

  70. I agree that Prust should not be fighting the heavy weights, he is much to valuable to this team. I give him a lot of the credit for this team becoming the type of team it is today. He has hands of stone, but his work ethics, and the fact that he is tough as nails, make up for his short comings.

  71. Doodie-I believe you’re right. But Mogilny was owed another year on his contract ($3.5M?), and supposedly he was injured while playing while playing in NHL, not AHL. The whole thing smelled like never cleaned Port-A-Potty, btw.

  72. Aww, wicky, you’re such an awesome guy!

    My bonehead brother should be joining me for tonight’s game on here, so there will be two of us typing tonight!

  73. do any of you guys remember the night somebody threw a puck from the stands at MSG into the net just as one of the Rangers — maybe Turcotte? — was shooting?

  74. btw, Mama told me that she’d run over Sean Avery and Brian Boyle with a bus just to spend one day with Jaromir. :) Isnt she romantic?!

  75. Noah-el Zotto, 28 on

    Carp, I believe it was Messier (only reason I remember is that was on one of those MSG Countdown shows — I think “Bizarre Moments”). I remember JD laughing and wondering what moron would do such a thing.

  76. Tiki,
    Are you guys typing on the same comp./keyboard simultaniously or each has his own? Very effective, anyway and gives you definite advantage over other participants in debates. I always said you’re the smartiest one, if not the horniest (distant second after ORR, IMO).

  77. I think that was the 92-93 season. Rangers might have been trailing and that might have tied the game.

  78. 4ever

    We have 2 desktops and 3 working laptops that we use. He’s the really smart one; Im smart, but just like personal convo and talk about Jaromir!

  79. Tiki, I have a feeling that mama is collecting enough newspaper for you and your half brother…

  80. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    I’m going to break a lot of hearts with this, but off to work!!


    Later assens!

  81. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    a laurel, crap!

    Did someone reference CCCP’s porta potty earlier??

  82. and let’s forget the “half brother” term. i always hated that (just used it in full disclosure to you all). We’re as close as twins usually are! We finish each other’s sentences, talk the same way…but i dress better than him…i dress to impress!

  83. Anyone with that much talent at throwing an object in 92-93 was definitely not taking the mound at Shea Stadium.

  84. Blast,agree about Drury,to paraphrase Claude Lemeiux,the “C” on his jersey must stand for selfish,or else he would do the Rangers a favor and retire.

  85. Someone should have told Claude to stay retired from the NHL, and to keep playing hockey in China :P

    Why should Dreary retire anyway? He’s not being selfish.

    I thought we were all over the Dreary contract thing? What happened?

    Lately everyone’s been complaining aboot him all over again.

  86. Because Drury is nonexistent except for on penalty kills, and you dont pay a penalty killer $7 million a year.

    He is nonexistent on offense.

    And he loves NY so much, he should ask for and accept a trade elsewhere.

  87. You Rangers fans are being selfish. All of you complain when he’s on the PP, or the top two lines, and say he should be on the 4th line. Well, he’s on the fuggin 4th line, so just let it go.

    He’s not going anywhere, he’s playing where he belongs, like everyone wanted, and he doesn’t have much time left.

    Selfish!! Complain aboot Blowzy. Dreary at least isn’t a liability on the ice.

  88. onecupin71yearsandcounting on

    Broken puck isn’t a rare feat, I broke one . Pucks do wear out.. especially the psuedo rubber from China

  89. Blue Seat Horror on

    I was at that game when someone threw the extra puck. Worst wasted celebration of my life. Totally sucked because it was such an intense game and it looked like they had tied it.

  90. CCCP – You eat pucks for midnight snacks? I thought you ate hockey sticks, WTB!

    Looks as if my brother wont be joining us tonight. He’ll be at the gym working out, betraying our Rangers yet again! With his job, new gf, and working out, he doesnt have much time for me anymore, HARUMPH! :)

  91. Saying an NHL hockey team does not need an enforcer, is the same as saying the town you live in doesn’t need any police. Certainly in a perfect world there would be no need for police, nor NHL enforcers. But much like life, hockey is far from perfect and sometimes Carcillo just happens.

  92. Police = A group of cops

    Enforcer/Goon = One man

    You don’t need one man. He doesn’t make a difference, clearly.

    A lot of what I predicted before the first game of the season came true. Booger was one of those predictions. Signing him didn’t change a thing.

    So, there are no need for goons!

  93. I wish Drury had a bigger role on this team years ago. He has regressed into a penalty killer and defensive forward. The rest of his game has vanished. He hasn’t been that great on faceoffs. I don’t understand why he hasn’t played the point on the power play. He has offensive instincts, can finish, and posseses a great slapshot. Seems to me his lack of offense is more a mental thing than anything else.

    Watch highlights from his days in Buffalo when he and Kotalik ran the powerplay. He was a monster. It was all him. He was their best player. Not Briere. Not Vanik. Don’t buy this crap that it was the players around him. Drury was the leader on that Bufffalo team. When Drury came here, it was Jagr’s team. He never got to settle in as captain and make this team his own. His only scored a few clutch goals over the years that I can count, nothing that special. Add to that, the Rangers don’t use Chris Drury right and never will. It really doesn’t matter 4 years into his contract. I am over it.

  94. bull dog line on

    there is a need for tough guys who can play. one trick ponies like Orr, and Boogard are no longer needed in the NHL.

  95. His bread and butter has always been playing on top of the crease on the PP.

    Dreary is a garbage goal kind of guy. That’s how he scores goals. He’s never really been a highly offensive player.

    Now he’s a garbage player :P

    Like I’ve been saying. We’ve all been bitching and moaning aboot this guy for the past two years. Now he’s on the 4th line, and next season is his final year. So, why keep complaining? Everything is good.

  96. i wish Drury had a bigger role at the Colony inn.say… night manager,5-11pm sept thru july.

  97. Orr is actually sort of decent. He’s gotten better at skating, and playing the game. Along with a guy like Thornton. I can’t think of any others.

    Booger is part of the old age of goonery. He’s completely useless. Can’t skate, isn’t fast enough to finish a hit. He’s only in the lineup to entertain us once or twice.

  98. bull dog line on

    I am not in as big a rush as some to see Drury go. the Rangers have gotten pretty young, and they have had a lot of injuries. having Drury around right now is not hurting the team or keeping anyone out if the lineup. when the playoffs come having a veteran presence around the young players can only help them. he still is an NHL quality player, just not the player he used to be.

  99. “like these d pairs

    #NYRangers D-pairs: Staal-Girardi Eminger-Sauer Gilroy-McDonagh.”

    Can’t be right. Why switch up Sauer Gilroy?

    Should be:


    Mac D needs a vet with him on day one.

  100. Off the top of my I can recall a couple of late tying goals against the Devils. A tying goal against EDM. An OT winner vs the Pens. He put up around career average numbers his first two seasons but his decline has been swift. He was a good foot solider but not specialized sniper although he was paid like the latter.

    By the time most players hit unrestricted FA, especially if they didn’t enter the league at 18 or 19, most (but not all) of their productive years are already done. With the way the league has been trending since the lockout, going too many years past 30 is a mistake. That’s why adding someone like Richards could potentially be a mistake if the team isn’t ready to contend in his first couple of seasons.

  101. I could see Drury going back to Buffalo or maybe out west. Anaheim seems to be a popular spot for end of the line vets these days or the Sharks have given players in the twilight of their careers a shot to play a small role on a good team.

  102. “Red Wings won 4 Stanely Cups in the last 20 years without an enforcer…”

    EXACTLY!!! Team toughness wins. McCarty, Shanny, Konstantinov, Maltby. Boogard is an abomination. A freak that has no purpose on the rink other than eating Carkner rights.

    Prust, Dubi, Cally, Avery, Boyle, Eminger. Team toughness.

  103. I’m not against re-signing Dreary if it meant he was getting paid what a guy of his stats deserves, and continues playing the 4th line. According to the youth of this team, he’s a positive influence on them. I trust the players opinions of their teammates over the fans, that’s for sure.

    That being said, all these crap teams would probably pay him more than NYR would in a better role, like a Panthers, Isles, Oilers kind of time. Unless they’re totally committed to the youth.

  104. Ducks could be a likely spot.

    Sabs could be possible as well, unless they still feel “betrayed”.

    I wish we could have just signed Briere, out of that bunch. Fuggin guy has 20 goals this year. At least he’s doing something offensively.

  105. I see Drury eating pizza!

    man, i havent eaten all day, starting to feel weak, how the byfuglien do people fast for days? must take a lot of discipline.

  106. Johnny, and ilb, when the puck hit the net, it pitched forward and to the right, so the puck had to come from center ice, by the gravely road.

  107. Maybe Drury threw the puck from the stands. Clutch throw! He did win the Little League World Series, since most of you probably dont know that :)

  108. Orr, I very respectfully disagree with you on this one issue… Not having Boogaard in the lineup has not hurt the Rangers – yet! In the beginning of the season I’d be shocked to be saying what I’m saying now, that Prust is too valuable to be the guy sticking up for his teammates. Also Prust is not a heavyweight, but he could “hold his own” against one.

    Boogaard on the other hand, has the ability to be the best enforcer in the game on any given night. It’s hard to messure the importance of things that never happened… But Boogaard slapping Jody Shelly around earlier in the year not only sent a message to the Flyers, but to the rest of the NHL that your team better not take liberties against the Rangers. Unlike last year, this year I’ve not heard too many complaints about Lundqvist being run into.

    I most certainly see the Rangers picking up another enforcer this season before the trade deadline. I have a feeling it might be a trade of Rozsival to Edmonton (who could actually very much use Rozsival – honestly!) for MacIntyre and a pick &/or another player. I love how Gord Clark drafted enforcers in last years draft… Wilson in the 5th round and McNaught in the 7th round. Hope the’re both playing for the AHL CT Whale next year and that Clark drafts another enforcer with his 5th round pick this year. The Rangers dont have a 6th or 7th pick this year.

  109. But Boogaard slapping Jody Shelly around earlier in the year not only sent a message to the Flyers, but to the rest of the NHL that your team better not take liberties against the Rangers. Unlike last year, this year I’ve not heard too many complaints about Lundqvist being run into.


    Jonathan, that didn’t stop the Flyers from outscoring the Rangers 8-2 this season. I seem to recall a lot of “incidental contact” with Lundqvist both games.

  110. The thing about “enforcers” is that few of them can actually play hockey. With the instigator rule, they are useless. That’s why all the guys we hate: Carcillo, Richards, Ruutu, Neil, Cooke, AVERY, etc. are having long careers. They can actually handle an NHL shift. When Boogard was signed, the theory was that he would play half the games. WTF? Why sign a guy like that for 4 years? You must know he can’t play. If the Rangers could find one or two more guys like Prust or Avery, you would have a really tough and effective team.

    Or a Carkner.

  111. I believe that LQ has been run into a lot less recently.

    And I agree with wicky, Carpy, and Orrsie on this issue. Having an enforcer on your team does no good by itself. The entire team needs to be team tough and have each other’s backs, and this year, it’s been that way. Minus Roszival :)

  112. Red Wings had an enforcer in the lineup for 3 outa four cup wins,besides Detroit,Tampa and Carolina also won cups without an “HW”enforcer,in the last 20 years or so,5 out of 20 Cups.

  113. Rozi actually tossed down Dom Moore in the Tampa game. Actually I think he was going to pass him off to other D and ended up fumbling him down to the ice.

  114. CCCP,
    Sorry for non hockey post.
    Specially for you. Knowing your non-passing love for Odessa, I would recommend you documentary “Artists of Odessa” by director-Odessit Dmitry Havin, who has interesting technique to “shoot from shoulder “. Its premier will take place at JCC, January, 9. I’m sure, if nothing else you’ll become very nostalgic. I saw trailer and was very impressed (not being from Odessa myself, more by aesthetic of film) and immediately thought about you. His documentary “By narrow bridge” – about new emigrants americanized kids going back to unknown (for them) Ukraine to see parents places and how it closing the generational gap after, was just deep and great.
    for more info: http://www.cecartslink.org

  115. Red Wings won the Cup mostly because they had players like Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Hull, Robataille, Murphy, Zetterberg, Datysuk, Vernon, et al. Sure, Maltyby, Draper, Holmstrom, Konstantinov and the like were gritty warriors, but let’s be honest about the front line talent.

  116. cw, re: That’s why all the guys we hate…..uh, given your list buddy, I’d watch your pronouns :) there ain’t no me in that we!

  117. 4everanger

    oh this is great! Odessa Mama, moi gorod rodnoi!

    Thank you for heads up! Unfortunately i won’t be able to attend the screening, but i am sure i’ll be able to find this documentary later on via internet

    again, thank you very much for thinking of me :)

  118. I believe having an enforcer allows a team to play a much tougher game without fear of the other teams enforcer coming after them. Prust can hold his own against a heavyweight, but in any other weight class – he could be the best enforcer in the game… Because Prust plays a regular shift. But he needs another heavyweight enforcer on the team to match up against the other teams heavyweight. As for the instigator rule, when games get out of hand score wise – who cares.

  119. ha. I had to look it up, but now I get the Russian mama deal……and here I thought it was all about me :(

  120. Any team that fears one man doesn’t deserve to play in the NHL.

    Nobody forces you to drop the gloves, and if you’re pissing off the other teams tough guys, then you might draw a penalty, and you can get revenge by scoring on the PP.

    You just have to have balls! That’s what it’s all aboot.

    You can’t win the Cup without balls and heart! They go together like mac and cheese! Peanut butter and jelly! Candice Swanepoel and Miranda Kerr!!

    Or any two Victoria’s Secret supermodels you prefer.

  121. By the way, I agree that if the other team is not playing an enforcer? There’s no need to play an enforcer against your opoonent. Who cares if the enforcer is a healthy scratch 30-40 games a year?

  122. lol Laurel

    no, this time it was not about you :P

    Odessa Mama is just a way we (Odessits) refer to our beloved city…Odessa Mama

  123. $1.6mn per year for 4 years, which is about the cost of a raise to a 1st time restricted free agent in the salary cap era cares.

  124. There’s no reason a team cant have balls… And an enforcer :) But I also think an enforcer on a team filled with young players, might be more important than a team filled with veterans.

  125. That’s right, CT. That stupid contract could be the difference between NYR keeping or losing a RFA this summer, due to an offer sheet or arbitration.

  126. True Blue Mike on

    How do you guys see this team set up in 2 years when drury and rosival are out of here?


    Del Zotto-McD



    Stanley Cup

  127. I refer to Mama as NY Mama, because she represents everything that’s great about New York!

    And also as MY Mama, because she’s ALL MINE!!! :)

  128. You guys are terrible! We had a nice, heated cabin and, yes, we did manage to go for a couple walks in the snow :)

    Hoping to catch the end of the game after mom’s bday dinner… hopefully it’ll be on at a bar since I’m outside of Sabres territory.

  129. CTblueshirt, the Rangers are just fine $$$ cap wise. Actually I wish Boogaard had a twin brother just like him and the Rangers could have signed both of them for 3.2 million $$$ over 4 years.

  130. the Rangers are just fine $$$ cap wise


    Yeah, and I’m playing first line center tonight in Dallas with Dubi and Zuke…

  131. The Rangers will have no problem signing all their RFA this offseason. And then the year after Drury and Rozsival come off the cap.

  132. NO to Semin

    NO to Richards

    Partial NO to Clarkson.

    I like him as a player, but do we really need more 3rd liners?

    Let the kids grow like chia-pets. Don’t interfere by bringing in fancy plants like Semin and Richards.

  133. If NYR are really in trouble with the cap, they can waive Blowzy, and that’s that. Spread that dough around, and we’re good to go.

    Then after the next season, Dreary is off the books, and we’re really good to go.

    Unless Slats ass rapes our cap again.

  134. Gotta run, I very much appreciate your opinions and the time those of you took to debate this issue with me.

  135. It is not public knowledge, but it is believed that Blowzy posses a NMC. Waivers and Reddenville aren’t really options options for him. Only known way would be to have him agree to a trade.

  136. man, this first week of the year, back to work and all, sure was rough…i could use a win from our boys tonight!!! LGR!!!

    grrr @ 8:30 start

  137. Jeez, bad move bu Prust then.

    I’m so confused with this Blowzy contract. Some say it’s a NMC, then some some it’s the same conditions as Dredden’s contract.

    I know he has a list of six teams he can be traded to, none of which would take his contract.

  138. Yeah ORRsy,thats how he reinjured it,from what Gross is reporting.
    thats the reason i made my first post about Godard and MacIntyre.

    whoever said “we have alot of other 3rd liners to fill his(Prusts) shift while he is in the box”,name one that has Prusts toughness skill and respect(and who gets the room) from opponents.

  139. OK all, friend’s about to arrive any moment so I gotta run. I hope our boys show em how it’s done New York style in Texas tonight!!!! Blow their stetsons off!!!!

    btw, hockey in texas = stupid.

  140. My Mama – Have fun and knock ’em all dead tonight. you’ll have all the men eating their hearts out :)

  141. Prediction:

    Avery is going to score against his former team.

    Orr is going to starve himself for 3 days!

  142. Avery was very good against Dallas first time back on their turf, the year they let him go to Rangers, no?

  143. Kind of interesting how Avery was able to play well enough as early as his first shift to earn extra ice time in the Carolina game.

    If I was cynical, and if not for the fact that Avery himself said, “I didn’t even know we were going there”, I’d think he was making a push for more ice time against Dallas.

  144. Maybe, just maybe, he will recollect his anger, despise and acridness and become a real splinter under skin again, otherwise this is totally waste season for him, regardless of fan’s willingness for collective admiration – it is not merited IMO.

  145. True Blue Mike on

    NO to Semin

    NO to Richards

    Partial NO to Clarkson.

    I like him as a player, but do we really need more 3rd liners?

    Let the kids grow like chia-pets. Don’t interfere by bringing in fancy plants like Semin and Richards.

    Orr you really think we can win and be succesful long term with just the kids in our Organization. I think bringing in atleast one more top notch free agent plus the growth of the whale will takes us far but we need some super skill.

  146. True Blue Mike on

    If the rangers could possibly get Zach Parsie that would be amazing he would be a perfect fit on this team.

  147. btw, Michigan vs Michigan State 7:30 tonight on Big 10 Network, ch 720 for me on dolanvision. another chance to see Rangers draft pick Carl Hagelin. i guess i’ll watch the first then dvr the rest

  148. Michigan ranks 8th in the country. Hagelin is the team captain (i think co-captain) and leading scorer 9-14-23 points in 21 games.

  149. Mike, I’m committed to the youth. Forcing this team to become a Stanley Cup contender is what got us all those bad contracts.

    It’s time to do the opposite of what this team has always done, and remain committed to the youth.

    I don’t expect to win the Cup within the next few years, but, I do believe in the youth of the team! The guys like Step-On, Stahl, Del Gotto, etc.

    I’m sick and tired of these guys with big contracts coming in, and setting a bad example.

  150. Rumor

    This is what I heard in a rumor from someone within the organization.

    Brodeur has agreed to be traded, but only to a contender.
    Lou signed Kovalchuk against his will and warned ownership that it would ruin team chemistry which has been team first, defense first, responsible, say no to party life type.
    Johnny Mac knew benching Kovalchuk would cost him. He benched him anyway because he would have done it to any player and the team fabric was being destroyed by selfish player.
    Lou to be fired
    Sather would like Lou to be GM and he would take President title only.

  151. The only bad feeling I have before today’s game is that Richards will go extra mile (and+, per Lamaire)and efforts to show his abilities, skills and talent just in case…and this dangerous in a team, which is already very good this season. All I know it will be enormous pressure on our young D. – corp. Predict white-knuckle game.

  152. yea, dallas is good since they got rid of their old timers…why’d they bring one back?

  153. 43verranger, its a good point. He knows he is being showcased and is looking for the pay day.

    Torts sensitive about criticism in past about willingness to play kids. Is going out to make it happen for us.

    MDZ must stop partying life. Torts needed to separate him from Avery.
    Avery untradeable and still popular among fans even though he only scores against Dallas.

  154. True Blue Mike on

    Richards had 91 points last season and Dallas was bad last season…

    I will always always like Avery.

  155. simply not true about the red wings. what about Probert, Kocur, McCarty ?? don’t tell me they had no enforcers.

  156. Avery is gonna have a interesting game. He is definitely gonna be fun to watch tonite !!

    Sather always goes after (in Free Agency) the guys that torch us the most in games (Holik, Gomez, Drury, Gaborik) … so I’m really hoping Richards has some memorable, monster of a game because then he surely will ours come July 1st

  157. C arp

    You’ve got lots of boneheads now and they are all contributing. ( I suppose I should do more, but frankly, there’s not much for me to say. they cover it all.) I’ve long since made my position on Roszival.. why beat a dead horse? I still think that Christensen deserves better than he’s received from many of the fans, but…I’m just watching and waiting, until I find something to report on. I really do enjoy watching the little guy ( He’s my size and weight, so I have to pull for him.)

    Out of the north in a cloud of slush, comes a feared figure, is it a demon? A giant? No it’s the teeny weeny Ranger! Go boy go. Arrrgh!

  158. With Jamie gone, I think Zach P definitely wants out. They are really good friends…

    If you heard him speak today, even Lou knows there is no guarantee Zach is coming back…

  159. blogmama, ty!!

    orr, agree fully with both your take on the kids as chia pets, and not signing other fully grown chia pets that may not mesh well with ours….agree with u on parise as well….lots of good points from you.

  160. in carp’s quotes other night Torts mentioned about MZA having confidence and going with it then stating those creative guys lack confidence…felt like a dig at EC.

  161. They don’t make hockey players like that anymore…the game has changed…

    Bob Probert 1990-91 – 55GP 16G 23A 39PTS 315PIM

    You’ll probably never see #s like that again….

  162. alright, starting the hockey night off with Delbarton vs Morristown-Beard on MSG Varsity

    they showed the Delbarton coach’s record there in 10 years…it was like 220-26-21. i know they are a powerhouse but still, that record is insane.

  163. drw, I don’t think they won Cups with Kocur and Probert, and McCarty wasn’t a goon. He was more like Prust. Actually, better than Prust is at the moment.

    And Probert and Kocur could play on a line with Yzerman and get minutes (Kocur played some with Messier in NY) and could score a few goals and intimidate by delivering hits, not to mention fighting.

  164. bull dog line on

    Kocur was on one cup winning team with Detroit, may be even two. remember he went back to Detroit after playing for the Rangers. but to Orr’s point, those 3 guys that were mentioned were not pure goons. they could all play.

  165. I still think Detroit won because they had half a dozen hall of famers on those teams. And with the exception of McCarty exacting revenge on Lemieux for the Draper hit in 97 a lot of the epic fighting in the revenge game was done by the entire team even Larionov and Vernon got into it with Roy.

  166. Orr – I need your word that the Jets are off limits for you tomorrow. No score watching or game watching, got it?

  167. Oh Carp – just when everyone was supporting the youth movement…..

    Per Gross “Stars’ Richards on his future (Rangers?)” Hope not….

  168. TIKI !!!! Saw your post earlier – sure we care about your secret, but as long as you guys are still both on board here no worries, right? Even posted about your split personality (JK) yesterday. Twice the TIKIs, twice the fun !!

  169. LOL Blueblood! As Mama will attest to, we’re both nearly exactly alike. The only 2 significant differences between the 2 of us is that he’ll miss Rangers games for women, work, etc. and I will not!! And he likes movies, whereas I am more of a TV show person.

  170. No question, CT. I think the main point that we are all making is that all the Detroit guys could play and there was enough team toughness to win those cups…There wasn’t a need for guy to just to “enforce”…

  171. “Red Wings won 4 Stanley Cups in the last 20 years without an enforcer”

    that is the post I was responding to. and I agree that the 3 guys I mentioned were more than Brashear type goons. That is why i used the term enforcer. But it is flat out false to assert that the Wings won 4 cups without an enforcer. yes, their tough guys could play a little.

  172. lol No, his priorities are not in order. He’s probably only seen and been on here for 5 games in the last 2 months. Ever since this new chick came along, ARGHHH!! If he misses Yankees games next year, Im gonna be pisssssed! :)

    Orr – Deal!

  173. Zucca just said “work my ass off” on MSG and then said “sorry for the language”!!! HAHA!

  174. enforcer = you can’t play hockey or skate very well, so you bully guys, talk carcillo, take penalties, and start fights…

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