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Hi kids, I’m going to stop by Rangers practice today, so if anything’s cooking I’ll post from there.

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  1. gregm_section403 on

    not that it means anything…small victories! it’s the little things in life :)

  2. Carp’ed, repost:

    Richards, Iginla and Kaberle are all going to cost a lot. If the likes of Dominic Moore and Nik Antropov could return 2nd rounders and Ollie Jokinen when he was involved in the trade between the Coyotes and Flames could return a 1st rounder, just imagine what any of those 3 very productive players could fetch? And then there’s the fact that all of them have NTC or NMC.

    If you’re thinking about anyone of the 3 you’re talking at least one of Dubi/Cally/Stepan/Anisimov/Del Zotto along with a 1st round pick and probably the top defensive prospect. Just think of what Marian Hossa, who was due to be a UFA returned for Atlanta. 2 players and 1 recent first round pick in Esposito and a 1st round pick or what the Devils gave up for Kovalchuk; 1 player, 1 former first rounder in Bergfors, 1 near NHL-ready prospect in Cormier, a first round pick. In other words, trying to swap the likes of Rozi, Drury if he were to waive his NMC, Frolov, EC aren’t getting it done. Oh yeah, and those big blockbluster deals that teams made who were better contenders, neither of those teams won the Cup.

    The premium on the replacement value of one of those players (vis a vis who you’re giving up) isn’t enough to get the Rangers significantly closer to the Cup than they are right now. The front office has avoided making blockbuster trades such as that the past 5 seasons, they’ve traded trash for trash (Kalinin/Prucha/Dawes for Morris) or a project for a project (Tyutin for Zherdev or Korpikoski for Lisin), but they haven’t repeated Neil Smith’s post-1994 mistakes since the lockout

  3. CTB- I stopped responding to those trade rumors and stopped explaining why none of those would make any sense. It’s not going to happen. Not anymore.

    Carp- in other words, if you find out something is cooking, tell them we said not to cook anything, please. Because it will all turn into cooke.

    Good morning, boneheads!

  4. ilb, I don’t mind having the discussion. It’s what keeps the blog percolating on a cold, game-less day like this but there just needs to be some consideration taken on what it will take to pull a huge deal like that off. Obviously there’s not an exact formula for what it takes to pry a star player away from his current team, but the Hossa and Kovalchuk deals I think help lay the framework for what it takes in the salary cap era.

    Now about whether the deal is prudent to make in the first place, that’s a whole other discussion.

  5. The only guy that I think would be worth trading for is Iglina. He brings character, class, leadership, and world-class skill. He would thrive in NYC. He would instantly make the Rangers better and be great leader for our younger players…

    The question is…How much does he have left at 33? I would guess 3 or maybe 4 more good years…

    Prospal coming back looks like a stretch. I really think we need a proven sniper more than a 1st line center…Stepan, Anisimov, and Boyle are young and aren’t going anywhere…Richards isn’t what we need.

  6. In this economy, the only thing that is VERY plausable is team (say Toronto or Calgary) would trade a big, long term contract (Iginla, Phaneuf perhaps) for a shorter equally disasterous contract (Drury, Rozi,). You would probably have to throw in a prospect/pick. Calgary is going nowhere. NYR have a window with Henke and Gabby, so I could see a move happening. I am sure there are other teams in the same boat. Tampa with Vinny, Chicago with Hossa, NJD with Kolalchuk.

    I hope the NYR aren’t in the market for any of these guys, but I could see teams looking to move long term deals for even $$$ and shorter terms.

  7. And Feaster has to change things around in Calgary. He knows they are going nowhere. I bet he wouldn’t object to Iginla waiving his NTC.

  8. I think Iginla would be the toughest to land. He’s an icon in Calgary and I don’t know if I’ve ever heard anything substantiated that he actually wants to leave. Even though he was drafted by the Stars, his real career has been with the Flames and I won’t hold it against him if he wants to stay there. Although I’d certainly understand why he’d want to leave if he ever requested a trade.

    Kaberle has had a couple of chances to waive his NTC and has refused to do so. To me that says he’s really not interested in playing on a competitive team. I mean he’s getting paid regardless of where he goes and maybe he likes TOR and has roots there and yadda yadda, but using the leverage of his NTC he could demand that the only way he waives it is if he’s going to a contender and he hasn’t. So, that’s a big minus against Kaberle.

    Earlier this year I would have bet the ranch that Richards was out of Dallas, but they’re not too bad this year. And they’ve got a good group of players that he’s a big part of with Morrow, Eriksson, Benn and Neal. This isn’t exactly like Bouwmeester in Florida a few years ago where he had his bags packed but the team held onto him for a playoff push. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he stays not just the rest of this year but beyond.

  9. In this economy, the only thing that is VERY plausable is team (say Toronto or Calgary) would trade a big, long term contract (Iginla, Phaneuf perhaps) for a shorter equally disasterous contract (Drury, Rozi,). You would probably have to throw in a prospect/pick. Calgary is going nowhere. NYR have a window with Henke and Gabby, so I could see a move happening. I am sure there are other teams in the same boat. Tampa with Vinny, Chicago with Hossa, NJD with Kolalchuk.

    ***

    Calgary was ranked 13th most valuable franchise according to Forbes, ahead of the Capitals. Leafs were ranked #1. Canadian GDP while it slumped from late 2008 through 2009 did not suffer as much as the US. And it almost goes without saying that the current hockey teams in Canada tend to be better supported than in the US.

    Now if you’re saying that the Flames need to trade Iginla to rebuild, then yes that’s certainly a possibility.

  10. CT,
    With all due respect, Forbes rankings mean nothing when the world’s economy is in shambles. Agreed, it’s not like Forbes is rating the 30 richest Somalians, but every business in the world is hurting. The NHL is not too big to fail. And even teams like Toronto would be foolish to hold a huge deal when the team is going nowhere. What does Calgary do with Iginla at 36? That is 14-20 million dollars from now. Are they gonne get better with what they have on their team? Do the dollars make sense? Who knows, maybe they need Iginla to keep the tickets selling. But it seems to me, moving Iginla would be a good business move.

    I guess what I am saying is that the bottom line is gonna have a lot more influence in trades than ever before.

  11. I wouldn’t object to obtaining Iginla. I’d see it as a Messier-lite move if you’re talking about leadership and where the team is in their competitive cycle.
    He’s in awesome shape, and has enough left to contribute for several (3-5) years.

    I also don’t think it’d take too much to land him, relatively speaking.

    If NYR decided to part with AA & a No. 1, could be a good start to a reasonable package for both sides.

    The real problem is he isn’t a great playmaking center, and doesnt help sort out their roster imbalances.

    That’s why more & more it looks to me like we grab Richards – after July 1st.

  12. cw,

    30 richest Somalians would be like the 30 richest pirates.

    The NHL as a whole might have some weak links (i.e. the Coyotes, Isles, Lightning), but most of the Canadian franchises are healthy and the parity between the US and Canadian dollar along with the salary cap helps them stay financially competitive. And don’t forget that Western Canada, particularly Alberta is heavily centered on the oil industry. In fact for most of the past decade, the windfall of surging energy prices has helped the West subsidize Ontario/Quebec. Judging that the salary cap has kept going up in the face up a slumping broader North American economy, it doesn’t appear that the financially sound teams are necessarily making their decisions based on finances.

    But again, from a hockey perspective, trading Iginla to get a boatload of cheap talent in return would help the Flames out immensely.

  13. “30 richest Somalians would be like the 30 richest pirates.”

    Oh right!!! I forgot about their new found number 1 industry!!! Maybe Somalian pirates could but the Coyotes!!!

    Bettman would rather have that than that Blackberry guy!!!

    Ok CT, I will respect your knowledge of oil sands, etc.

  14. With all that said, I hope the Rangers make just one move:

    Brad Richards July 1st, 2011.

    If a decent physical Dman falls of the back off a truck (figuratively), we could use that too.

    The only young kid I could part with that has any value would be A.A.

  15. cw,

    I agree overall with the sentiment that the Flames are definitely at the proverbial fork in the road with what they should do with Iginla. He’s certainly a player that many teams would look to add as a final piece of the puzzle. The Rangers are also in a unique position with enough potential cap room (provided they can move Rozi) to keep him and probably enough young talent to swing the trade. And they just demoted Todd White so he can have his #12.

  16. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    Morning ILB and all!!!

    here is something pretty damn funny for you guys this A.M.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkJednDFJGA&feature=youtu.be

    If you could get an iggy for a package of grachev, gilroy, rozy, and a pick, I would do it. You have to move a contract to get one.

    So, question here, if you guys could pick 6 current rangers who are too valuable to trade, who would they be?

  17. If you could get an iggy for a package of grachev, gilroy, rozy, and a pick, I would do it. You have to move a contract to get one.

    ***

    Wicky, they’re dealing with Feaster and not Sutter now. Grachev’s stock has fallen dramatically. Despite a few good games, Gilroy is still viewed as a 3rd pair D, Rozi would probably have to be moved in a separate deal.

  18. Top 6 un-tradeable?

    Lundqvist
    Anisimov
    Dubinsky
    Stepan
    Staal
    Del Zotto

    Build from the net out, up the middle. As much as I love Callahan and how he endears himself to the fanbase with his energy and hard nosed play, he’s a 20-25 goal guy. Anisimov/Dubinksy/Stepan can all play center are all probably have higher ceilings. They’ve already chosen to lock up Staal for most of his prime years and despite his demotion I still think Del Zotto has the goods to be a very effective D.

  19. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    ct
    i know. And I honestly didn’t put a ton of time in it, but I think iggy could be had for one of the younger D, a salary, a pick, and a younger forward.

    I like iggy a lot, but i’d still rather have either sarich or regher.

    speaking of D men with a bit of an edge to their game, anyone interested in andrew alberts if he becomes available when salo comes back in vancouver? I think he is a lefty.

  20. Grachev?s stock has fallen dramatically.

    ***

    Yes, it may have because he has been slow to develop into an NHL player. He is, however, still a top prospect at 20 years old.

  21. Rod, I don’t think Iginla is a great playmaking center. In fact, he isn’t a center at all, he is a right winger.

    And Iginla would certainly help us. Still has skills, grit and leadership. But for how long? Remember, his cap hit is $7M through 2012-2013. And the Calgary would sure ask for an arm and a leg for him, why wouldn’t they? Giving up a bunch of young prospects for him doesn’t make any sense for the Rangers. Not at the moment. The Flyers, for example, should be all over his services. And it would make total sense for them to do it, prospects be damned. Having Iginla on their roster this year makes them an instant Cup favorite.

    Trading away AA, in general, is a mistake IMO.

  22. Top 6 untradable? Evidently Drury and Rozy are #1 & #2. . . . .

    Seriously? Are there really 6?!? I say no one on this team is untradable. I’ll play along.

    1. Henke (not enough talent in league to replace him)
    2. Gaborik (sniper NYR desperately needs)
    3. Stall (war horse: reasonable deal)
    4. Dubinsky (becoming a man before our eyes)
    5. Boyle (finally figured it out. . . .mass+speed+skill+mean)
    6. Stepan (despite being wordt faceoff center in league)

    I would say MDZ, Gilroy, MacD, etc. but we have plenty of those players, and that luxury could be peddaled to other teams for some real talent up front, or physical D.

    So, those 6 if you held a gun to my head.

  23. i know. And I honestly didn’t put a ton of time in it, but I think iggy could be had for one of the younger D, a salary, a pick, and a younger forward.

    I like iggy a lot, but i’d still rather have either sarich or regher.

    speaking of D men with a bit of an edge to their game, anyone interested in andrew alberts if he becomes available when salo comes back in vancouver? I think he is a lefty.

    ***

    Calgary is only under the cap because of the LTIR. They can’t take back that much in salary. Hence, Rozi would need to be moved in a separate deal. I outlined how much it took to get Hossa and Kovalchuk in previous (near) deadline deals. It took essentially 1 or 2 regular NHL players (top 9 forward or top 4 D), 1 NHL ready prospect that was probably a former 1st or maybe 2nd rounder, and an upcoming 1st round pick. Now because of the Flames salary cap issues you could probably knock off 1 NHL player from that package. Then again he’s not an impending UFA so you do get to retain his services. Point is, it ain’t gonna cheap in terms of talent to get him out of Calgary.

    Acquiring more D at this point doesn’t make a lot of sense given what’s in the pipeline in the Rangers organization. Especially not those that are signed beyond this year with $3.5mn-$4mn cap hits (Sarich/Regehr hits). I’d rather see what McD, Kundratek or V-tenk could do in a few game audition before getting another veteran.

  24. Hey, who said the list has to be 6, anyway? ;-)

    ***

    Wicky made the rules, we’re just playing by them.

  25. Wicky did? Oh, then I can easily predict what his list will look like:

    1. V-tank
    2. Pashinin
    3. McIlrath
    4. V-tank
    5. Pashinin
    6. McIlrath.

  26. Calgary’s asking price for Iginla as it stands now is Dubinsky and Del Zotto. Of course, they’d have to take back Frolov’s expiring $3M contract at a minimum to make it work, though if I am the Rangers and I’m prepared to give them Dubinsky and Del Zotto, they better be taking Rozsival.

    Iginla’s asking price will be steep. But, as someone said, he’s one of the best leaders in the game right now and leadership is something we need.

    It’s something that should get careful consideration but I am on the fence about it.

  27. DJK- if that’s their asking price, I’d run away as fast as possible. Again, that wouldn’t be a trade, it would be a suicide.

  28. I don’t think Iginla is Messier. I loved Iginla. Key word: LOVED. Right now, the only leadership this team needs is Brad Richards. Buys into Torts’ system and has aring to prove it.

    And he comes here for NOTHIN BUT $$$ on July, 1.

  29. Tiki tried to get out of her harness today on

    Iginla is a complete and total waste for this team. No thanks.

  30. Noah-el Zotto, 28 on

    I agree with cw. Stand pat and wait for July 1st to get Richards, a guy who Torts knows and believes in. Why gut the young core when it is unnecessary?

  31. wicky(grating CCBG)© (The game’s not over until somebody cries!!) on

    ILB
    I hate you!!! (just kidding). Thanks for leaking my list though!!! I’d only have vtank on once though and prust would be there instead of him the second time.

  32. It will take a bit of creativity, money-wise, to fit him next year, Noah. But, yes, if they decide that’s the best alternative, it makes much more sense than other proposed trades.

  33. If you sign Richards, what happens to Stepan? Artie? Boyle? It doesn’t make sense to sign Richards if those three guys are coming back. Stepan will be the Rangers #1 for many years to come. Hard to believe I am saying this now but we have enough centers, we need another guy on the wing who can snipe. We need to look at guys who can replace Frolov, Feds, Prospal, etc…

    Semin, Parise, Iginla….those are the types of guys the Rangers should be scouting…

  34. 6 untradables?

    1- henke
    2-staal
    3-gaborik
    4-stepan
    5-dubi
    6-cally

    why wait for richards in july? trade for him now

    gilroy, grachev and 2nd round pick

  35. Geez. Arty is SO tradeable. Pound for pound the WEAKEST player in the league. He should room with Boyle and get some heart to heart.

  36. CCCP – 8 goals should be the Ovechtrick. :)

    Untradeable: Gaborik

    That’s it. That’s the list!

    I would not want to see our homegrown players traded (the usual list) but they can be replaced.

    Untradeable based on value of contract to quality of play: Rozsival, Drury, Redden

  37. Do you want a good laugh? This phrase is from YahooSports description of tonight’s game between Minnesota and NJ:

    “New Jersey has lost four of five since Jacques Lemaire returned to the bench, yet the veteran coach is starting to see some improvement.”

  38. . . and remember, Brad Richards will be ubtradable when he signs. No one will be able to take that off of our hands just like Drury, Redden, Rozi, and dare i say Hank.

    Just keep that in mind.

  39. Unwashable:

    My undies

    My socks

    A pillow i seat on while working

    My Drury jersey i use to step on before i get in the shower

    that’s it for now…

  40. gilroy, grachev and 2nd round pick

    ***

    To which the Dallas GM will say, that will get you this neat Brad Richards bobblehead

    ::hangs up phone::

  41. Artie can be hockey god if fills out his large frame and plays with more confidence…untradeable for now…

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