Rangers at Lightnings tonight


Before we get to the game … I kind of kept silent about the Marc Staal hit the other night, because I am kind of in the middle about it. I thought the hit was perfectly clean and legal. I thought Staal even got down low and came up to deliver the blow to the chest. The NHL agreed with me.

But where I have a problem is this blind-side, east-west language in the rules. Why the heck is any blow to the head allowed? I am not sure Staal hit the guy in the head, but it sure seems that he did on the shoulder-to-chest follow through. Otherwise, how did the concussion occur?

Which brings me to my major problem. When the hell will the league and the players union get serious about head injuries and get rid of the flimsy helmets and ESPECIALLY make guys wear chinstraps that, you know, fit their chins.

It has been the macho practice forever for that stupid helmet strap to hang down by the neck, nowhere near the chin. So the helmet pops right off. It might be the dumbest thing in a league, and by a union, just loaded with dumb things.


Now onto the game.

Steve Stamkos=monster. Also, don’t forget, Stamkos=childhood friend of Michael Del Zotto.

Oh, and congrats to Torts, who got his 300th win the other night. Must have been nice to get it in that type of game, since he’s big on his team playing that way and creating that identity.

Here are tonight’s pre-game notes, from the Rangers:

Wednesday, Nov. 24, 7:30 p.m.
St. Pete Times Forum • Tampa, FL
Rangers: 12-9-1 (25 pts)
Lightning: 12-7-2 (26 pts)
* All information through NHL games on Nov. 22

The Rangers will begin a three-game road trip when they face-off against the Tampa Bay Lightning at the St. Pete Times Forum (7:30 p.m.). The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Atlantic Division standings, and sixth in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 12-9-1 (25 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having defeated the Calgary Flames, 2-1, on Monday at Madison Square Garden for their second consecutive win, and are now 5-2-0 in their last seven games. The Lightning enter the contest with a 12-7-2 (26 pts) record to rank fourth in the Eastern Conference, and have won four straight games. Following the contest, the Rangers will continue their three-game road trip when they face-off against the Florida Panthers on Friday, Nov. 26, at the BankAtlantic Center (7:30 p.m.), in the first game of a back-to-back set.


  • TV: MSG 2
    7:00 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Bill Pidto and Ron Duguay
    7:30 p.m. – Rangers at Lightning
    Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
  • Radio: 970 The Apple
    7:00 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game with Don LaGreca
    7:30 p.m. – Rangers at Lightning
    Broadcasters: Joe Tolleson (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)


  • All-Time: The Rangers are 37-27-5-3 all-time against the Lightning: 21-12-2-2 at home and 16-15-3-1 on the road
  • 2010-11: Tonight’s contest marks the first of four meetings between the Rangers and Lightning this season, and the first of two at the St. Pete Times Forum
  • Last Season: New York was 3-1-0 against the Lightning in 2009-10, including a 1-1-0 mark at Tampa Bay. The Rangers out-scored the Lightning, 19-9, in the season series, including a season-high, eight goals, in an 8-2 win on Jan. 19 at MSG.
  • The Blueshirts’ power play tallied three goals in 14 opportunities (21.4%) in four games last season
  • New York ranks fifth in the NHL on the road with a record of 7-3-0 (14 pts) in 10 games; Tampa Bay has posted a record of 5-2-1 (11 pts) at home to rank 16th in the league
  • The Rangers have posted a record of 0-3-0 vs. Southeast Division opponents; the Lightning are 4-1-1 against the Atlantic Division
  • Henrik Lundqvist posted a record of 3-1-0 with a 2.26 goals against average, .923 save percentage and one shutout in four games vs. Tampa Bay last season, and is 13-5-2 with a 1.93 goals against average and two shutouts in 20 career regular season games against the Lightning
  • Marc Staal (two goals, three assists) and Marian Gaborik (five assists) tied for the team-lead with five points vs. the Lightning last season; Gaborik’s five assists were also a team-high
  • Marian Gaborik has registered 11 points (six goals, five assists) in nine career regular season contests vs. Tampa Bay
  • New York lists three former Lightning on their roster: Steve Eminger (2008-09); Ruslan Fedotenko (2002-03 – 2006-07); Vinny Prospal (2001-02 – 2002-03, 2005-06 – 2007-08, 2008-09)
  • Tampa Bay lists one former Ranger on their roster: Dominic Moore (2003-04 – 2005-06)
  • Rangers’ Head Coach John Tortorella served as Lightning Head Coach from 2000-01 to 2007-08, posting a record of 239-222-36-38 in 535 games while guiding Tampa Bay to four straight Stanley Cup Playoff appearances, two Southeast Division Championships (2002-03, 2003-04) and the franchise’s only Stanley Cup Championship in 2003-04


  • Power Play: The Rangers notched one goal in two power play opportunities (2:14) on Monday vs. Calgary. New York ranks 18th in the NHL with a 15.8% (13-82) success rate, and ranks 12th on the road with a 17.6% (6-34) success rate. The Rangers did not convert on one, five-on-three chance (1:44) on Nov. 17 vs. the Bruins, and are now 0-4 on five-on-three attempts (4:31). New York is 0-1 (1:05) with a four-on-three advantage this season. Shorthanded goals allowed (1): 11/20 at MIN (Cullen).
  • Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Flames scoreless in two shorthanded situations (4:00) on Monday at MSG, and are now 30-31 (96.8%) over the last 10 games. New York ranks 12th in the NHL with a 83.3% (70-84) success rate, and are eighth in the league on the road with a 85.7% (36-42) success rate. The Rangers held the Maple Leafs scoreless in one, three-on-five situation (0:31) on Oct. 30 at Toronto, and are 4-6 on three-on-fives (5:08) this season. The Blueshirts held the Penguins scoreless in one, three-on-four situation on Nov. 15 at Pittsburgh, and are now 4-6 (2:41) in those situations this season. Shorthanded goals for (3): 10/9 at BUF (Dubinsky); 11/5 at NJD (Dubinsky); 11/15 at PIT (Staal).
  • Four-on-Four: New York did not tally/yield a goal in one, four-on-four situation (2:00), on Monday vs. Calgary, and are now plus-two in 20, four-on-four situations (28:08) this season. Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 vs. COL (Frolov); 11/11 vs. BUF (Anisimov); 11/15 at PIT (Callahan). Four-on-four goals allowed (1): 10/15 vs. TOR (Kessel).

The Rangers penalty kill has held opponents scoreless in each of their last seven games (21-21), and have successfully killed their last 24 power plays against dating back to Nov. 9 vs. Washington.  The Rangers have now registered a 96.8% (30-31) success rate on the penalty kill in the last 10 games, allowing just one goal and tallying two shorthanded goals during the stretch.

The Blueshirts have started games off strong this season, tallying the first goal of the game in 16 of their 22 games and posting a record of 11-4-1 in those contests. The Rangers own a record of 7-1-1 when leading after the first period, having out-scored their opponent, 17-8, in the opening frame. Brandon Dubinsky leads the team with four, first period goals on the season, followed by Brian Boyle with three goals.

The Rangers completed their fifth of 18 back-to-back sets with a 5-2 win on Saturday at Minnesota, improving to 5-0-0 in the second game of back-to-backs this season having out-scored their opponent, 16-5, and are 4-0-0 when the second game is on the road. Over the last two seasons, New York is 14-2-2 in the back-end of back-to-back sets, including a 9-1-1 mark away from MSG over the span.  The Blueshirts’ next back-to-back set will begin Friday, Nov. 26, at Florida and conclude on Saturday, Nov. 27, at Nashville.

With Saturday’s 5-2 win at Minnesota, Rangers Head Coach John Tortorella recorded his 300th career NHL victory to become the 40th head coach in league history to reach the mark. Tortorella has posted a record of 301-274-37-52 in 664 regular season games over 11 seasons with the Rangers and Tampa Bay Lightning, and is tied for 11th among active NHL head coaches on the NHL’s all-time wins list and ranks first among U.S.-born coaches with 301 career victories.

The Rangers have had nine different players credited with at least one game winning goal this season, which is tied for second most in the league. New York trails Washington (10) by one, and is tied with Detroit and Montreal entering tonight’s action.

The Blueshirts currently lead the NHL with 376 blocked shots on the season, averaging a league-high, 17.1 blocked shots per contest. Dan Girardi ranks first in the NHL with 68 blocked shots, and Ryan Callahan leads all NHL forwards with 30 blocked shots.

The Rangers currently rank first in the NHL with 656 hits on the season, and lead the league with an average of 29.8 hits per contest. Ryan Callahan currently leads all NHL skaters with 91 hits.


  • The Rangers’ penalty kill has yielded just one goal in their last 10 games, registering a 96.8% success rate (30-31) over the span, and have successfully killed off each of their last 24 power plays against dating back to Nov. 9 vs. Washington
  • Marian Gaborik has notched seven points in the last six games, including four goals during the stretch
  • Derek Stepan has recorded six points in the last six games, with five assists over the span
  • Dan Girardi has tallied eight points in the last 10 games, including seven assists during the stretch
  • Ruslan Fedotenko has registered six points (three goals, three assists) in the last seven games
  • Matt Gilroy has recorded three assists and a plus-six rating in the last six games
  • Ryan Callahan has registered 15 points (five goals, 10 assists) in his last 17 games
  • Brandon Dubinsky has tallied 15 points (nine goals, six assists) in the last 17 games

Based on opening day rosters, the Rangers have the ninth youngest team in the NHL with an average age of 27 years and 44 days, and the second youngest defensive corp in the league, trailing only Los Angeles with an average age of 25 years and 51 days.


  • Ruslan Fedotenko: 1 game from 700 NHL career
  • Erik Christensen: 4 games from 300 NHL career
  • Dan Girardi: 7 points from 100 NHL career
  • Alex Frolov: 8 points from 400 NHL career


  • Michael Del Zotto: 100th career NHL game (11/19 at COL)
  • Dan Girardi: 300th career NHL game (11/19 at COL)
  • John Tortorella: 300th career NHL win (11/20 at MIN)


  • Vinny Prospal (IR on Sept. 24/knee surgery on Oct. 18, 6-8 weeks) – 22
  • Chris Drury (IR – fractured finger on Oct. 15, 6 weeks) – 19
  • Michal Rozsival (shoulder strain, 7-10 days) – 7

Total Man-Games Lost: 67


  • Nov. 23: Acquired defenseman Stu Bickel from Anaheim in exchange for defenseman Nigel Williams

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  1. Carp, I think I mentioned yesterday how the concussion occured. He hit him in the chest, Stajan’s head snapped forward during the impact and hit Staal’s shoulder. It’s called secondary impact injury in medical world. The hit was clean, and Staal seemed to make an effort not to hit him blindly and avoid the head. The outcome was bad, but unless NHL changes the definition, the hit was clean.

  2. Doodie Machetto on

    Carp, I said the same thing yesterday. By rule definition it wasn’t bad because he hit Stajan in the chest and not the head. But if it was the head, he’d be looking at a few games.

  3. Shattenkirk Del Headzo on

    Staal = monster, If he could hit like that everynight. He could be an offensive Buekeboom if he keeps that up.

    Sire Father!

  4. Stajan was coming towards Staal, it wasn’t like a forward coming on the backcheck looking for an angle for a head shot. Big Time difference.

    Oh if you want to see Henrik On Martha Stewart I got the video


  5. Carp, I agree about the chinstrap thing. Ask Troy Aikman about his SB win against Pittsburgh about concussions and how debilitating they can be. He doesn’t remember playing in that game, period.

  6. mornin all, at ease heads. major grabby reporting for duty general carp. how bout the folkyerself clan last night? they were folking everybody. what a showing. theyre almost like agent smiths from the matrix 3 running outta buildings hundreds at a time. pretty soon the whole ranger fan base will be folked!

  7. By the way, it’s not only the chinstraps, Carp. If NHL and NHLPA are really serious about the head injuries, they should invest some money into research of new helmet design altogether. Start with head injury specialists in medical field. I’m sure it’s been done, but it hasn’t been working that great.

  8. mouth- whens the blueshirt banter show on is it every wednesday? i went on a few times but havent lately. that show is great. keep up good work and jim too. hes great. newman and that one kid robby crack me up. especially robby lol.

  9. Yes, Mikey, they were hilarious last night. I suppose there is a big folky family gathering for Thanksgiving.

  10. The Staal hit was a thing of beauty, made more controversial because Stajan was too busy watching his pass instead of dishing the puck and looking where he was going, if he’d been paying attention he could have partially braced himself and avoided the possible concussion (caused by his head snapping back so quickly when Staal hit him in the chest/shoulder area).
    Notice no Calgary player jumped Staal straight away? It was just a hit, i’m sorry for the guy who’s injured but lets hope people can stop debating it and admire it for the textbook open ice hit it surely is…..

    Does anyone know where Jeter’s local YMCA is? Apparently he’s being asked to take a $4m a year paycut, my god he must be looking for a cheap apartment in the Bronx to save on rent and travel costs…
    (Would be shocking if it still didnt make him clearly the highest paid SS in both leagues, especially now his stats resemble an average SS,.270avg and 15hr’s not a .300+ avg and 25 hrs per)

  11. UK- his head actually snapped forward first, hit Staal’s shoulder/back, then snapped back. This is called acceleration/ deceleration head injury. His helmet came off and he was lucky not to hit his head on the ice in addition.

  12. Messier also created cold medication. I hope there was more research involved in this project and less bull-carcillo-cook hype.

  13. The emergence of the Rangers new snarl persona explains Slats’ willingness to overpay for a tough guy ike Boogaard and why they passed on Fowler in favor of McIlrath. How much of a hand in this makeover do you think Messier and Torts have had?

  14. ilb, yes you were right: head rocks forward, hits shoulder, snap back.
    Its certainly going to make opposing forwards wary of cruising down the middle of the ice with the puck against us, which is something we’ve been allowing too much of in recent years.

    I like Messier’s idea with the helmets, the league needs to sit up and listen when a respected player like Messier is involved in trying to make the game safer. Chin straps are a joke in some cases, Todd Bertuzzi was one who springs to mind. Maybe its time for NFL or Lacrosse style chin-straps?

  15. I think the concusion may have come from Brian Boyle accidently kicking him in the head directly after the hit and not fromt eh hit itself. Look at the video tape it is very clear.

  16. Shattenkirk Del Headzo,
    opportunities like that Staal hit don’t always present themselves. If he did that every game people on this board would be bitch’n that he’s always out of position…which he would be. Scott Stevens didn’t throw hits like that every game but after a few monster hits he was feared and opponents thought twice about stickhandling across the blue line with their head down.

  17. Messier created cold medication, hybrid cars, the Stanley Cup, cloning, and love!

    Messier! Messier! Messier!

    I have some additions to my 94 Rangers lineup. You have not been prucha’d WICKY!

    * fran -healy
    * wicky – Matteau
    * folkyerself family – lowe
    * bulldogline – Beuk
    * formerly tank the season, currently DJK – Zubov
    * sally – noonan
    * lw3h – karpovtsev

  18. CTB – yeah, i guess. but LW strikes me as more a defenseman than a winger.

    And btw, you’re Lidster!

  19. hmm, if you all want to amend the lineup, im all for it!

    And Carp, you’re 100% right. Wicky is our Beukeboom; crease clearing D MAN!

    So who then becomes Matteau? bulldogline cant be Matteau; he’s not clutch!

  20. bulldog can be Jay Wells. He took the high stick to the face in game 3, broke his nose and kept playing, definitely not soft. He also probably had the most enthusiastic Cup raising out of all the role players.

  21. Or Larmer, I’m fine with Larmer too. I think he was technically traded to the Rangers from Hartford in the 3-team deal that sent Patrick and Turcotte to HFD who traded some of their guys to Chicago and the Rangers ended up getting Larmer. Genius trade.

  22. good one CTB!

    Who, then, are you? And hilarious, Lidster does look exactly like Seinfeld!

    Carp, I have you as Neil Smith, the general manager of us all. And Greg as Messier, because he inspires us all with his positivity and will to win. But if you want to be Messier, The Leader, you can be :)

  23. Orrsie – You never responded yesterday to being called Edzo! I thought for sure you’d have something to say about it.

  24. For some strange reason I seem to find myself constantly attempting to defend the lonesome plodders of this team. Now I am about to go to bat for Boogard. Here is my problem for all those who acted like he was the second coming of Quasimodo, instead of a huge, not terribly gifted skater with an awesome reputation for mayhem, and not a lot of puck handling skills.

    He comes with the basics that he can control. This is what was clamored for for several years. Now he is here…and he’s not THAT bad. He does what he is told to do, when he’s told to do it, and I bet he’s very welcome by his team mates. You’re never gonna find a guy this size and build that has the gazelle like moves of a fandango dancer, the hands of surgeon, and the anticipation of a speed like a runaway race car.

    Pull in your horns – save the nasty critiques for the ne’er do wells that formerly loafed their way thru their Ranger seasons, and give this guy a little respect. He’s not been
    a decisive factor to date..but he well might be at some point. Like I said before…if you ever need a gun, there’s nothing in this world you’ll need more.

  25. CTB – I had Mama as Leetch. The Conn Smythe. The creator. The two-way player. The Alternate Captain.

    If I remember the pictures from the bonehead blog, you CTB are extremely cute, so you’ve gotta be someone cute.

  26. The one thing that I’ve been pleasantly surprised about Boogaard (other than his goal, which was totally awesome) is that he’s managed to avoid taking dumb penalties. Kind of surprising because I’ve seen him launch at players well after they’ve gotten rid of the puck. Maybe he’s got an extra long grace period to hit the puck carrier.

  27. Nah, I think the Devils are the mickey mouse team. You think they get their first back to back wins this season?

  28. Good morning all! (what’s left of it)

    sorry CT, I’m Leech and not giving it up :)
    Johnny, that line was brilliant!

    I see the blog doctor is in the house :)

    LGR! I gotta go check out last night’s folks fest…..

  29. ORR, hope you’re feeling better.
    Gabby, happy wedding day!
    wicky and mrs. wicky, happy anniversary!

    OK, I think I covered everyone :)

  30. Baseball news but funny:

    The Royals announced that they have released Bryan Bullington so he can sign with the *Hiroshima Carp*. Kansas City designated the former first overall pick for assignment over the weekend.

  31. Bring back Prucha on

    Web MD concussion:

    A concussion is a brain injury that is caused by a sudden blow to the head or to the body. The blow shakes the brain inside the skull, which temporarily prevents the brain from working normally.

    I’m pretty sure it was the impact to his chest and the subsequent whipping of his head that caused his brain to shift inside his skull. The replay looks like Staals shoulder might have clipped his chin but you can clearly see how violently his head whips forward and then back. If it was a hit to the head, it would not have snapped forward first.

  32. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    morning ILB and all!!

    thanks for thinking of me.

    about time you added me!

    we thank you!

    and as karma for not posting my post flames/rangers thoughts until late last night, the only people I apparently shared them with was about 40 people from the folkyerself (sp?) clan (clearly my bad)!

    so here you go for those who care (some of it old news now obviously!):

    Evening ILB and all!!

    Happy birthday orr!!!

    Gift o
    congrats and best of luck (It’s mrs wicky’s and my anniversary today so we will have to remind each other in the future).

    where the hell was I in the line up you posted?? Prucha’d???

    my game review…..staal’s hit was massive and clean, that is what I am talking about……sauer is doing what we needed d men to do for the past few years…..I have to give kudos to torts, great move by putting boogie on the ice……eminger, nice to see the rest of you coming over to what I have been saying about him since the beginning of the season…..I wish we could have vtank in the rozy/gilroy slot, but the other 5 slots seem good for now…..I also hope prospal takes the year off and drury takes the EC spot…biron is doing his job well.

    I disagree with the people in the media that say it is stupid when a guy makes a clean hit and then has to defend himself. Clean, hard hits are a part of hockey and I agree 100%, but so is standing up for teammates and emotion. Keep the clean hard hits coming in hockey and keep the scrums and fights that follow them in hockey as well!!!

    Lastly, you guys must really be concerned because most of you are raving about a team playing the way I have been saying they needed to play since the lockout. Physical, in your face, not taking any crap, hard hitting hockey!

  33. Joekuh … thank you:)

    What I meant to say was: I hope this mickey-mouse team doesn’t bush-league this game in amateur-hour fashion.

  34. speaking of the folks last night, yowza! looks like the family broke into the holiday liquor stash early :)

  35. I still have a problem with the inconsistency in the handling of this “blindside” rule by the officials and the NHL.

    Thorton’s hit was very similar to Staal’s. Not sure why Thorton gets a suspension…

    Carcillo’s viscious hit on Feds was’t punished but it was so dirty and done with intent to injure (leaving his feet). To me, that is the most suspendable type of offense…

    I think Staal did everything he could to make that a clean hit. To me, Stajan is the dope for admiring his pass and not keeping his head up in a very physical game.

    The game keeps getting faster and more dangerous season after season. If these rules aren’t clarified and enforced consistently, I think the NHL is in big trouble with GMs, players, and the fans.

    The league may have to move to the European model of “skill” hockey with limited physicality and a larger ice surface. That would suck.

  36. Fitting that I get Zubov. I think it is safe to say that he had the greatest NHL career of any Russian defenseman.

    Oh and Richards has been up and down his whole career and I would be concerned if he gets paid like a 100 point scorer by us, which he never was and probably never will be.

  37. Also – and I know Carp shares this sentiment – Staal is more of a Kevin Lowe “operator” than a Beukeboom monster.

  38. NYR, Jumbo Joe’s hit was different because you can clearly see the head is point of his 1st contact with his check.

  39. The hit was perfect. No East-West, he came from right in front of him. Hit was a textbook case of NEEDING to keep your head up.

    I really didn’t see much of head contact other than his head whipping back. I went thru something similar a few weeks ago and thought I had a concussion, after another test, the dr found out that all of my neck muscles were stunted from a whiplash motion after a hit and that was where my headaches were coming from… perhaps this may be more of the same.

  40. >>…Clean, hard hits are a part of hockey and I agree 100%, but so is standing up for teammates
    >>and emotion.

    If you don’t like a clean hit laid on a teammate, retaliate with a clean hit of your own. Why should Staal, Saur or MDZ have to fight every time they throw a solid check?

  41. Carp, to get a concussion, you don’t need to necessarily get hit in the head. If he hit him in the chest and it caused his head to move violently, it could still rattle his brain enough to cause a concussion. I’m not saying that is what happened here, but there are many concussions that are a result of an impact that isn’t to the head and causes the head to move violently, almost like whiplash.

  42. Joekuh, that’s a fine explanation aboot Jumbo Joe’s hit…but what is the explanation for the Carcillo hit? That Feds ducked?!? Gimme a break…

    What about Glencross on Drury last year?

    I just think the inconsistency is ridiculous. Why even have rules? It’s too subjective in the way it has been enforced this year…

  43. NYR, I was just specifically talking about the Thornton hit. The Carcillo hit, although not a head-hunting hit, should have resuled in a suspension. As so the Glencross hit should have gotten one too.

  44. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    my point is, and i’m fine with hard hit for hard hit, but i also don’t mind seeing a guy put a hard hit on someone and a teammate come to the “aid” of the hit player. You usually only see a fight, scrum afterwards if the hit (I say usually) has left a guy seemingly injured or actually injured. Therefore, I have no problem with one guy coming to the aid of another guy who is seemingly under duress, regardless of the hit being clean or not.

  45. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    I think the saddest part of the whole thing is every big hit seems to be questioned if it is legal or not…IT IS HOCKEY!

  46. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    one other thing about the flames game, I try not to blame officials for anything as a game result (try I said), but let’s give credit where credit is due and that was a well officiated game in my opinion. It got chippy with fights and hits and scrums and the officials did not make everyone wear a skirt in the game and let them play HOCKEY!

  47. The hit was LEGAL, and there is only so much you can do to prevent concussions.

    Hockey is a physical sport, where contact is part of the game. All of the equipment in the world can only protect the body so much…and that is the trade off these players make when they decide to be a professional athlete.

    Narrowed window of a career (15 years average these days? Maybe less?), hope they don’t get hurt too badly, cash the checks, relax by the pool when they turn 40. Enjoy retirement or learn how to be analyst or find a second career.

    I have issues when a player deliberately looks for the head shot. And legal or not, there are players who made a career of it (Scott Stevens’ hits were usually legal, but he was a head hunter of the highest level who sought to knock players out of the game)

    I can’t stand how wussified this game is going to become. How about we ban hits? Oh, but wait…the sticks can still hurt…let’s make them out of styrofoam. And that puck is pretty hard, too….can we make it softer?

    Hockey always has been, always will be, a brutal sport. And those who both play it and watch it love it for that reason.

    No offense, if guys still had to worry about taking an elbow to the teeth or get pummeled senseless in a fight if they threw a dirty hit…we wouldn’t see so much of the “dirty” hits.

    Yeah, I’m a caveman. I love hockey because it’s rough. Can’t protect everybody. And doesn’t it seem like some players are just flat out more susceptible to concussions than others? Much like some might be more likely to have back problems or leg problems, etc.

    My rant is over….bring on the turkey!!!!

  48. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    shockingly….working!!!! We are going to celebrate tomorrow along with turkey day all in one. Thanks for asking!!

    Happy thanksgiving to everyone that may not be around tomorrow and safe travel if you are going somewhere!!

    negative five here this morning fyi.


    later assens!

  49. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody here and hope everyone has a fantastic holiday!

    I’m looking forward to attending next Friday’s Rangers-Isles game at MSG with the current-gf (soon to be fiance) who will be attending her first-ever Rangers game. She bought me tix for my b’day…I now have to decide which of my jerseys to lend her to wear:

    Messier (had this jersey since ’93…it’s seen many battles and mustard, beer and blood stains)
    Avery (gift from my brother at the Buffalo playoff 2OT game we were at)

    Any thoughts? lol

  50. Tiki,
    I was very honored that you included me in your 94 Rangers. then you went and hurt me by saying I was not clutch. I do think Jay wells would fitting for me, or Larmer. thanks for including me.

  51. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    oops a laurel!

    I echo bull dog’s sentiments about the inclusion (despite it being a little late, ha ha). A fitting selection of beuk as well!

    now, later assens x2!!!

  52. my two cents on the Staal hit.
    I thought Staal went out of his way to make sure he hit him from in front. there was a play in the first period where on a similar play Staal pulled up because the hit would have been on the side. I thought it was a clean hit hit in all ways.

  53. not only was the head the first point of contact by Thornton, but he also was going east west, having just come out of the penalty box. so, on both points his hit WAS suspendable.

  54. a rule that needs changing is the stupid goal scored by a high stick disallowed rule. first of all, the league says it wants more scoring, and that it wants the skill guys to shine, so why punish a skill. because hand-eye coordination is a skill, and deflecting pucks into the net is a skill.

    second, it insufferably delays the game for long boring controversial decisions by guys in Toronto watching replays from different angles. forget all that nonsense.

    just in recent days, a couple teams were screwed by calls that were wrong, but could not be overturned by video because there were no good ice level replays.

    just change the rule so that any puck deflected into the net by a stick is good, unless an opponent is high-sticked in the face in the process. then, obviously, it is a penalty and no goal. but otherwise, deflecting a puck into the net, at any height, is a hand-eye coordination skill, and should be rewarded as such. a good goal.

  55. Carp is the one that called for you to be Beukeboom, Wickster. And he was 100% spot on.

    Sorry bulldog. didnt mean for that to come across as an insult. i think i had you as beuk because you’re sort of like a tough, hard nosed guy.

    I guess ILB could be Matteau, because he’s clutch. But ILB is an Alexei Kovalev lover, so that’s why I chose Kovy for him.

  56. rule change – The argument against you is that what you are proposing encourages use of a high stick to deflect rising shots, which ultimately results in more sticks to the face/penalties…

    I agree that reviews are annoying.

    I would like to see a bigger ice surface tried out by the NHL. That would result in more goals and passing. It would encourage clean open ice hitting and reduce questionable boarding majors/minors….the risk there is that the play could suffer from the lack physical battles along the wall and less dumping/chasing.

  57. So just re-reading the post at SNYRangersBlog about how we almost had Stamkos in trade for Girardi and Grachev…haha…that would have been something! Good try Uncle Glen! Close, but no cigar. (No pun intended)

  58. I’ll take Kovalev, Tiki, thanks…He was my favorite Rangers player for awhile. Maybe because I knew him personally. Well, more his wife, Eugenia and son, Nikita. My son has many jerseys signed by him.

  59. Speaking of Alex. Hockey was always my favorite sport back in Russia. When I came to Us, the first sport I wanted to watch was hockey, naturally. Well, I couldn’t watch it. It was too rough, too physical, and because of constant scrums, fights and hits, the game was too slow. I was very disappointed, needless to say. Alex was the reason I started to watch the Rangers. And it didn’t take long to fall in love with the game again. Now, I DO NOT want to watch European hockey again. So, please, keep the game the way it is, thank you.

  60. More like his head hitting his shoulder from the forward motion. Why is this concept so hard to grasp from you reporters?

  61. wrong on both counts. I said that a high stick to an opponent’s face would negate a goal.

    and I definitely do NOT ever want to see a bigger ice surface. no bloody way. it would take away the hitting and physical aspect to the nhl game. who wants to see 20 Nylanders circling with the puck 100 feet wide, and playing perimeter keepaway hockey with few shots and very little hitting? I sure as hell don’t

  62. Haha! Did anyone watch the video of Del Z, Stamkos, and Downie training together in the summer. At the end of the video, Downie raises Del Z’s shirt to check out his abs. Awkward!

    I think Downie might be a little glee-curious. I remember during the blackout at “The Pebble”, Downie saw himself and Lecavalier on the jumbo-broduer-tron, and he tried to give Lecavalier a kiss before getting denied. Funny!

    Here’s the vid. http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2010/11/24/watch-michael-del-zotto-and-steven-stamkos-are-best-friends/

  63. Rule change – If high sticks are allowed to deflect in goals, doesn’t that mean it encourages guys to keep their sticks high to deflect shots? With high sticks being more prevalent around the net, won’t that cause more highstick penalties? That’s all I’m saying.

    As far as a bigger ice surface, its just a thought. More should be done (besides eliminating the 2-line pass) to address how much bigger and faster the average players are now than say 10-15 years ago. Feels like there are more boarding penalties and harder hits because of the speed of today’s game. I agree that a bigger ice surface could take away from the North American edge to the game but it doesn’t have to be that way.

    Haha Orr! Yes! I saw that right before the season. It is awesome. Watching that, I was so excited aboot MDZ coming into the season. It’s so cool how all those kids grew up and played together on a Pee-Wee team and all made it to the NHL. A bunch of them first rounders, not to mention Stamkos 1st overall!

  64. does anyone know the channel the game is on for tonight on rcn in nyc? thanks and happy thanksgiving to all

  65. We should all stop bringing up the “Stamkos trade”. At first it was entertaining, but now it’s a bit depressing.

    Fuggin Slats! He had to go start that rumor. Imagine if that trade went down? All our problems would be solved. Top line center, and a flat out sniper!

    Yeah, I’m going to get some rope, and hang myself!!

  66. i still think we should look to move Gilroy. We need a LD and Gilroy has enough upside to have some trade value especially for a last place team. The problem is Gilroy doesnt have a future here beyond this season and is clearly the odd man out when Rozsival returns.

  67. Apparently Slats is looking for a “left d-man”.

    I didn’t want Gilly to get traded, but as I’ve said, for some reason he just doesn’t have much of a place on this team, and Torts doesn’t have much confidence in him. Better off trading him now.

  68. Any good trade rumors? Where is Rod when you need him? Not to mention, I’m sure the question “why isn’t Mitchell a Ranger” must be still eating LW3H alive?

  69. Ah, let’s give Rod a break. Last time he lurked, he said there was some trade talk and, lo and behold, there have been some trades since. Yesterday’s blockbuster Ryan Carter for Stefan Chaput and Matt Kennedy deal must’ve been hard to not reveal to us.

  70. well the Rangers (for once) have plenty of cap space b/c when Drury returns, Todd White goes to HFD and im sure Gilroy will be moved at some point as well. That’s an additional 4 mil in cap space added onto the 1.5 mil in cap space we have now.

    considering the Rangers wont be making any blockbuster moves at the deadline, dont be surprised to see the Rangers resign Dubinsky or Callahan mid-season instead.

  71. OK…Here are NYR’s keys to win the game tonight:

    1) Stop Stamkos.

    2) Prevent St. Louis from passing the puck to Stamkos

    3) Do not allow Stamkos to take a one timer.

    4) No more Mister Softie in goal tonight for the NYR.

    5) Finish checks and forecheck


  72. i don’t know if anyone said it yet, but from twitter:

    DarrenDreger No Stajan tonight. He’s day to day. Injury is said to be more neck than head. Not concussed, although he sure looked it after the Staal hit.

  73. NYR

    I’m with you on that Olympic size ice surface, it makes for a more open skating game.

    Did Gaborik really get married, or is that just some wild smoke being blown? I almost seems to to have come out of left field like that. Not that getting married is so unusual, but the sudden announcement with no prior hint of it was ,well, surprising.

  74. Fran

    You are too funny! The poster on this site with the handle “Gift of Gab” otherwise referred to as Gabby, got married today!!!

  75. Doodie Machetto on

    I’m staring at a blue screen on channel 197 telling me that the Rangers are on channel 197. Awesome.

  76. Me too, Doodie. They were playing the Isles game a minute ago. Bastards!

    The suck ass Knicks get to play on MSG, while we have to go on a Fellowship Of The Ring style journey to find the fuggin channel that the NYR game is on.


  77. Linda CalPrustBoylahan on


    Hey Orr, feeling better today???

    And before I forget, let me wish all youse guys a Happy Thanksgiving!!

  78. WTB, where is this game tonight!!!! not on VS not on MSG2…..I got the isles too!!! What the Hartnell!!!!

  79. Ooopsss…didn’t see Orr and Doodie with my same problem…dang it…lets listen to 970 apple….oh wait, I can’t get that because of weak reception…

  80. I’m baking my pumpkin pie for tomorrow and it smells awesome. Yet, I want to bake chocolate chips cookies because of Alton Brown.

    Sigh. Decisions, decisions..

  81. I still have nothing on 197 but a turquoise screen that says the NY Rangers vs. TB Lightning…no sound…that’s it

  82. ilb, you have different system. i’m on phone with dolanvision right now trying to find out wtb….

    others, you can hear nyr radio at rangers.nhl.com……but i want to watch! unreal. in NY, paying, and can’t see my dolanvision owned team on tv.

  83. Thanks for the info and sharing your frustration, Mama! I am with ya! I am listening to rangers.nhl.com with many other Boneheads right now it seems…

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