Rangers at Wilds tonight


Gaborik and Boogaard go home, with the Rangers — to overstate the obvious — really need to bounce back from that dreadful game last night. Or at least a dreadful period in a sub-par game.

Here are tonight’s notes from the Rangers:

Saturday, Nov. 20, 8:00 p.m. EST
Xcel Energy Center • St. Paul, MN
Rangers: 10-9-1 (21 pts)
Wild: 10-6-2 (22 pts)

* All information through NHL games on Nov. 19

The Rangers will face-off against the Minnesota Wild at the Xcel Energy Center (8:00 p.m.), to close out their fifth back-to-back set of the season. The Blueshirts currently rank third in the Atlantic Division standings, and seventh in the Eastern Conference, with a record of 10-9-1 (21 pts). The Rangers enter the contest having been defeated by the Colorado Avalanche, 5-1, earlier tonight at the Pepsi Center, and are now 3-2-0 in their last five contests. The Wild enter the contest with a 10-6-2 (22 pts) record to rank eighth in the Western Conference having won each of their last three games, including two straight in overtime. The Rangers will return home to face-off against the Calgary Flames on Monday, Nov. 22, at Madison Square Garden (7:00 p.m.), to close out a three-game stretch vs. Northwest Division opponents.

* TV: MSG Network
   7:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game Show with Bill Pidto and Ron Duguay
   8:00 p.m. – Rangers at Wild
   Broadcasters: Sam Rosen (Play-By-Play), Joe Micheletti (Analyst), John Giannone (In-Game Reporter)
* Radio: 1050 ESPN Radio
   7:30 p.m. – Rangers Pre-Game with Bob Galerstein
   8:00 p.m. – Rangers at Wild
   Broadcasters: Joe Tolleson (Play-By-Play), Dave Maloney (Analyst)
   * All times are eastern standard time

* All-Time: The Rangers are 7-4-0-0 all-time against the Wild: 4-1-0-0 at home and 3-3-0-0 on the road
* 2010-11: Tomorrow’s contest marks the first of two meetings between the Rangers and Wild this season, and the first and only meeting at Xcel Energy Center
* Last Season: New York was 0-1-0 against Minnesota in 2009-10, following a 3-2 loss at Minnesota on Oct. 30. The Rangers penalty kill held the Wild scoreless in three power play attempts.
* New York is tied for fourth in the NHL on the road with a record of 6-3-0 (12 pts.) in nine games; Minnesota has posted a record of 6-3-1 (13 pts.) at home, tying for eighth in the league
* The Rangers have posted a record of 1-2-0 vs. Northwest Division opponents; the Wild have not faced an Atlantic Division opponent this season
* Henrik Lundqvist turned aside 29 shots in last season’s 3-2 loss at Minnesota, and is now 2-2-0 with a 2.87 goals against average in four career regular season games against the Wild; Martin Biron is 3-3-0-0 with a 2.19 goals against average in six career contests vs. the Wild
* Artem Anisimov, who assisted on Marc Staal’s goal at 5:01 of the third period, posted a team-high, plus-two rating in last season’s meeting with the Wild
* Alex Frolov has tallied a team-high, five goals and six assists for 11 points in 26 career regular season contests vs. Minnesota; Todd White has registered two assists and three points in five career regular season games vs. the Wild
* New York lists three former Wild on their roster: Derek Boogaard (2005-06 – 2009-10); Marian Gaborik (2000-01 – 2008-09); Todd White (2005-06 – 2006-07)
* Minnesota lists one former Ranger on their roster: Matt Cullen (2006-07)

* Power Play: The Rangers did not convert in five power play opportunities (10:00) earlier tonight at Colorado. New York ranks 24th in the NHL with a 14.7% (11-75) success rate, and ranks 12th on the road with a 17.2% (5-29) success rate. The Rangers did not convert on one, five-on-three chance (1:44) on Wednesday vs. the Bruins, and are now 0-4 on five-on-three attempts (4:31). New York is 0-1 (1:05) with a four-on-three advantage this season. Shorthanded goals allowed (0).
* Penalty Killing: The Blueshirts held the Avalanche scoreless in one shorthanded situation (2:00) earlier tonight at Colorado, and are now 24-25 (96.0%) over the last eight games. New York ranks 16th in the NHL with a 82.0% (64-78) success rate, and are 11th in the league on the road with a 84.2% (32-38) success rate. The Rangers held the Maple Leafs scoreless in one, three-on-five situation (0:31) on Oct. 30 at Toronto, and are 4-6 on three-on-fives (5:08) this season. The Blueshirts held the Penguins scoreless in one, three-on-four situation on Monday at Pittsburgh, and are now 4-6 (2:41) in those situations this season. Shorthanded goals for (3): 10/9 at BUF (Dubinsky); 11/5 at NJD (Dubinsky); 11/15 at PIT (Staal).
* Four-on-Four: New York did not skate in a four-on-four situation earlier tonight at Colorado, and are now plus-two in 19, four-on-four situations (26:08) this season. Four-on-four goals for (3): 10/18 vs. COL (Frolov); 11/11 vs. BUF (Anisimov); 11/15 at PIT (Callahan). Four-on-four goals allowed (1): 10/15 vs. TOR (Kessel).

Tomorrow’s contest will conclude the Rangers’ fifth of 18 back-to-back sets this season. The Blueshirts have posted a record of 4-0-0 in the second game of back-to-backs this season, including a 3-0-0 mark on the road following a 3-2 overtime win at Pittsburgh on Monday. Over the last two seasons, New York is 13-2-2 in the second game of back-to-back sets, including a 8-1-1 mark away from MSG over the span, having posted a record of 9-2-2 overall and 5-1-1 on the road last season.

Marian Gaborik, who was Minnesota’s first ever NHL Entry Draft pick (third overall in 2000) and skated with the team for eight seasons (2000-01 – 2008-09), will make his first career appearance vs. the Wild in tomorrow’s contest. Entering the 2010-11 season, Gaborik was the Wild’s franchise leader in 44 offensive categories, including the following:
* Goals – 219
* Assists – 218
* Points – 437
* Goals in a season – 42
* Goals by a rookie – 18
* Goals in a game – 5
* Points in a game – 6 (twice) – last, 12/20/07 vs. NY Rangers (five goals, one assist)
* Power play goals – 59
* Game winning goals – 43
* Overtime goals – 4 (tied)
* Points in a season – 83 (42 goals, 41 assists)
* Points in a season by a rookie – 36 (18 goals, 18 assists)
* Power play points – 145
* Plus/Minus – plus-54
* Multi-point games – 114
* Multi-point games in a season – 22
* Shots – 1,694

Tonight’s contest at Colorado marked Dan Girardi’s 300th career NHL appearance, while Michael Del Zotto skated in his 100th NHL contest.

The Rangers have had seven different players credited with at least one game winning goal this season, which is tied for sixth most in the league. New York trails Washington (10), Montreal (nine), Boston (eight), Detroit (eight), and Los Angeles (eight), and are tied with Anaheim, Columbus, Dallas, Minnesota, Ottawa, Philadelphia, Phoenix, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, and Vancouver entering tomorrow’s action.

The Blueshirts currently lead the NHL with 346 blocked shots on the season, averaging a league-high, 17.3 blocked shots per contest. Dan Girardi ranks first in the NHL with 62 blocked shots, and Ryan Callahan leads all NHL forwards with 30 blocked shots.

The Rangers currently rank second in the NHL with 581 hits on the season, and lead the league with an average of 29.1 hits per contest. Ryan Callahan currently leads the NHL with 79 hits.

* The Rangers’ penalty kill has yielded just one goal in their last eight games, registering a 96.0% success rate (24-25) over the span
* Marian Gaborik has notched six points in the last four games, including four goals during the stretch
* Derek Stepan has recorded four points in the last four games, with three assists over the span
* Ryan Callahan has registered 15 points (five goals, 10 assists) in his last 15 games
* Brandon Dubinsky has tallied 14 points (eight goals, six assists) in the last 15 games
* Ruslan Fedotenko has registered five points (two goals, three assists) in the last five games
* Erik Christensen has registered four points (one goal, three assists) in the last four games
* Artem Anisimov has registered seven points (three goals, four assists) in the last 10 games

Based on opening day rosters, the Rangers have the ninth youngest team in the NHL with an average age of 27 years and 44 days, and the second youngest defensive corp in the league, trailing only Los Angeles with an average age of 25 years and 51 days.

* John Tortorella: 1 win from 300 NHL career

* Artem Anisimov: 100th career NHL game (11/14 vs. EDM)
* Michael Del Zotto: 100th career NHL game (11/19 at COL)
* Dan Girardi: 300th career NHL game (11/19 at COL)

* Vinny Prospal (IR on Sept. 24/knee surgery on Oct. 18, 6-8 weeks) – 20
* Chris Drury (IR – fractured finger on Oct. 15, 6 weeks) – 17
* Michal Rozsival (shoulder strain, 7-10 days) – 5
Total Man-Games Lost: 61

* Nov. 11: Acquired forward Chad Kolarik from Columbus in exchange for forward Dane Byers

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  1. Linda CalPrustBoylahan on

    lmao @ vs Wilds

    Good Morning ‘Heads, hopefully the game tonight is a complete 180 from last nights!

    Good to read ya Doodie, how have ya been?

  2. Post-Carp repost/update.



    Not going to rip you, but I’m not sure how you decide that Lundqvist “refuses” to get better. Yes, he has technical flaws (like just about any goalie), but like it or not, his style is his style. I wouldn’t put the fact that he isn’t morphing into a stand-up goalie at this stage of his career down to obstinacy. (And wouldn’t playing stand-up expose the five-hole more not less?)

    I’m just a bit amused by all the amateur psychology that goes on here every time the guy has a few bad games.

    I will say that to say Lundqvist is “usually far down” on goalie stat lists just isn’t true. There is a lot of fluctuation year to year in goalie stats (GAA and wins are not good goalie stats anyway), but he is Top 5 in the league in save percentage since the lockout:

  3. Slept thru another game last night. seems like they suffered some ill effects after that emotional win in Pitt? I see players are getting called out for the teams woaes as usual. amazing the difference in opinions on a game to game basis. not sure what i expect from gaborik tonight..he may be invisible or he may dominate…id like a 5 goal game from him;)

    is stepan back in the middle of gab and fro? saw he scored the lone goal last night..

    morning lin! (not trying to steal sallys thunder lol)

  4. lol trade lundqvist ang get who as a franchise goalie??? some of you need electro shock, a dose of reality and a hockey education. season after season hes worshipped when he plays aweome and carcilloed on when he struggles. maybe you guys want phillys goaltending history for the next 20 years? THATD teach yous to appreciate what youve got

  5. Others have suggested sitting MDZ and I agree that the kid needs to watch a couple of games from above. He’s weak with his defensive positioning and he too free wheeling breaking out of his own zone with both his passes and carrying the puck.

  6. Idk if he’s just gotten comfortable or if this is a growing pains issue with MDZ but it’s up to Torts to be a coach and get him refocused and back on top of his game. I’m just not sure what that’s going to take

  7. He’s even got the 85th patch on the shoulder! These jerseys poop on the MSG crappy replica!

    And yes the Rangers need to do work tonight… and forget about that AWFUL DISGUSTING performance yesterday.

    NOBODY will fight Boogey in Minny. At least… i don’t think they have anyone dumb enough…

  8. Gift of Gab…only 4 days away now?????

    Good luck bro!! Remember to take it all in, wedding days typically go by pretty fast. Enjoy it!

  9. Thanks man! yea 4 days… and 6 days until St. Lucia!! can’t wait to relax on the beach.

    I’m sure the whole wedding day will fly by… and feel like it only lasted a half hour.

  10. Linda CalPrustBoylahan on


    Vin this month, James in August! gonna have a bonehead population explosion in a couple of years!! YAY!!!

    ORR, are they allowed in the city?

  11. Afternoon, boneheads!

    I really L’dMAO while scrolling through all the postgame and this am posts. According to them, the only player who should be on this team as of now is Gaborik. And, seemingly, he is barely holding on to his spot. I especially love when someone declares a player useless and says: “He needs to go. Period”. “Period” is my favorite….I love how everyone is passionate, but take it easy. Horrible game, the other one was against the Fishsticks. They only played their game for 9 min during the second part of the first period. And they looked to me like they could actually dominate physically. But Colorado elevated their game, and the boys just couldn’t stay with them. I have no explanation, not going to speculate. Time to move on.

    MDZ has totally lost his confidence and he is trying to compensate by making way too aggressive offensive moves (pinching in when it’s not appropriate, long, dangerous passes etc). Sitting him is one option, not sure they can afford it now with Rozsival out. More appropriate would be for Torts to make sure he simplifies his game, forget about offense for a bit, and concentrate on clearing the puck and taking the body.

    Any news on Prust?

  12. Doodie Machetto on

    Linda, I’ve been well. Just busy with work.

    Just saw the news about Pat Burns. He seemed like he was a good man. He sure was a hell of a hockey coach.

  13. ilb, agree he needs to remember his primary responsibility first and foremost. He seems to be pressing to create offensive chances instead of taking advantage of opportunities when they are presented. He also needs to make better decisions when to pinch in the offensive zone.

  14. Doodie Machetto on

    Hey, does everyone remember when Gaborik put on a show against the Rangers and scored 5 goals? Turnabout is fair play.

  15. Quote from ilb

    “MDZ has totally lost his confidence and he is trying to compensate by making way too aggressive offensive moves (pinching in when it’s not appropriate, long, dangerous passes etc). Sitting him is one option, not sure they can afford it now with Rozsival out. More appropriate would be for Torts to make sure he simplifies his game, forget about offense for a bit, and concentrate on clearing the puck and taking the body.”

    In my opinion, this could not have been said any better. Totally agree. MDZ is young and confidence may come and go quickly. I think that is what we are seeing with him.

    Well done ilb2001!

  16. Thanks, Jay.

    I guess no news on Prust is good news. Although to me it looked like it could more than just a bruise. I wouldn’t be surprised if he isn’t playing tonight.

  17. Doodie Machetto on

    ilb, I think sitting him once Rozsival returns is the answer. The message sent when he’s sat needs to be clear. It’s not punishment, it’s just so he can take a step back and see where he can make smarter decisions both with and without the puck.

  18. What happened to Prust?

    Who had that extremely sick goal last night? – on the Trashers, I think. I barely caught it and want to see it again.


    “I yakked about Lundqvist and his “style”.

    – so you didn’t care for his jacket either?

    Stepan, Sauer and … Joe Micheletti going home as well of course

    “Ellipsis” is my favorite. ilb. :)

  19. dde- are you an English teacher? I could use some lessons. In return, I’ll teach you how to deviate elegantly from boring Ruy Lopez opening in middlegame :-)

  20. Joe Micheletti has to go. Period!

    Even though Im tired of Sam’s antics, and his backseating the Rangers for the 5th NFL Fox game each Sunday, he’s been with us too long for me to turn my back on.

  21. ilb – I do nothing elegantly, especially in chess.

    Not necessarily suggesting it, but I’m curious as to how people perceive LQ’s psyche?

    What if the starting job became more of a competition? Say Biron was given a few consecutive starts and played well and the job was not LQ’s by default.

    I’m just saying, what goes on inside LQ’s head if that were to happen?

  22. MDZ had no time last game. That exposed his weakness, lack of experence. At least I hope thats the reason he kept throwing the puck away. The entire team looked bad last night, the only thing positive that they can take away from that game is themselves out of Colorado and into Minn. Hopefully they won’t get blown out there.

  23. Thanks LW – video won’t play for some reason, but I’ll try to find it elsewhere

    What happened with Prust? anyone?

  24. I heard onTSN that Prust had back spasms. I wonder if that would be a problem with him playing tonight?

  25. Should we expect video tributes to the returning ex-Wild players at the game tonight?

    I’m expecting one for Gaborik that keeps cutting out and one for Boogaard that lasts two seconds.

  26. In terms of Hank. I read what Fran said last night, and I have to respectfully disagree with him, at least partially. His main flaw is that he is on his knees too early, but that’s his style, not sure he can change much. But that could be the reason he is almost unbeatable down low. And he has above average glove. That what makes him great.

    Having said that, I wonder if there is something going on lately. Either with his life or health that we are not aware of. He was at fault, to a different extend, on all three goals. Poorly controlled rebound, not covered 5-hole and long shot. If Hank isn’t at his best, we will be out of playoff picture by MLK day.

  27. LW3H- I expect the Gaborik tribute to concentrate solely on his 5 goal performance against the Rangers.

  28. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    afternoon ILB and all!

    he took a weird hit that kind of bent him in two….

    regarding the a game, I said the bruins game was a “good” loss, well this one was a bad one….I am kind of confused about a couple of things I have read (only read this thread and the one previous)…I watched the game very late last night on the dvr and may be mistaken, but a couple of posts were all over avery and I thought as his ice time increased he was actually one of our better forwards…am I just way off on that???

    I think we played well for a bit until jackass, I mean torts, switched up the d pairs,,,,staal and eminger are by far the best pair when together and he just needs to get over the stupid staal girardi pairing

    I have been saying for quite a while that mdz needs to sit for a game, hell bring up vtank for one game, geez!!

    Lastly. I do not think hank sucks or anything like that, he is def a top 10 goalie in the league, that being said I still stand by what I have said since his first season. He was a better goalie when he played more aggressively (out of his net) and would always angle his rebounds to the corners and was not back in his net. Like he did his first season!

    Prust better be ok!!


  29. Prust – back, hip or knee?

    Because it’s so critical to know your partners tendencies and to work as a unit, I am not a big fan of switching up the D pairings. What the best pairings are at this point, I’m not quite sure.

  30. Wicky-Avery-Boyle-‘Tenko line was the only one to generate any semblance of forecheck down low last night. The only line to keep Aves from attacking.

  31. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    I thought the way he was bent back and then the trouble he was having skating it was a hip, but I thought someone later said back issue…It was late and I’m not 100% sure.

    that’s right!

  32. dde- how about the face of that redhead young lady in the backround wearing blue outdoor game Pens jersey? Does dumbfounded fit the description?

  33. Orr –
    for your birthday may I suggest a BK® Quad Stacker to push you to 150lbs and then you can buy a *Medium* Erik Christensen heritage jersey.

  34. Gabby! I’m going to St. Lucia for the first time in March! I want lots of notes and info when you get back! (about the island, not the whole honeymoon :)

    As for the rest here today, James I liked your LQ post, and ilb, yours of course, but everything else was just jibberish :)

  35. Linda CalPrustBoylahan on

    DDE, dubi looks a bit ‘stallone-ish’ in that pic! LOVE the face, Sally’s gonna like that!

  36. Sally,

    no prob! i’ll give you a detailed report (of the island ) upon my return! You guys keep up the good work while i’m away, 11-24/12-5

    I’ll pop in when i return, Let’s go Rangers!!

  37. King Hank needs a lot of competition. Too much money and too many kudos. Get the backup to provide stiff competition .

  38. Everyone is doing great, mama, thank you.

    It’s actually gibberish, wicky. Unless you are Canadian. Or French. Or both.

  39. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    glad everyone is doing well! and oh, I get it…..sort of!

  40. Just watched the post game presser with Torts. It would be nice if they could mike the questioner sheeesh. I’m assuming it was Prust he was asked about, he answered that he thought it was a charlie horse.

  41. That really is a pet peave of mine. Knowing the question asked is sometimes as important as the answer. In this case it’s an important detail (who was he asked about) or sometimes it’s to see how much the question is eluded and why.

  42. The heck with Boogaard. Gimme a team of Bear Grylls. I want guys that will drink water squeezed from elephant dung and sleep inside a camel carcass.

  43. nice vid wicky! lmao! You can read Selanne’s lips…Definitely a few Byfuglien’s in there…

  44. and in beauty is truth…

    I believe at the next Whitney biennial, ddeb, or when mama’s mama comes to visit at Christmas and tells me how great I am :)

  45. MDZ please be scratched. he needs to watch in press box for a few games . if rozy comes back monday he better sit.


  46. wicky© (BOYLE=teammate...EC=not so much!) on

    yep, definitely a large cat and some f bombs floating out there!!!!

  47. That was a brutal game last night to witness in person.

    MDZ needs to realize he is in the NHL now and those pee wee rink length passes dot work anymore. He played terrible last night.

    Frolov flat out sucks. he refuses to skate hard or impose his will on anybody. He does not belong on this team.

    Todd White? ditto. total waste of a roster spot. invisible out there.

    yes HL didn’t have a great game but it wasn’t his fault we lost. everyone was a step slow. Yes the altitude here is an advantage. it doesn’t slow you down, it makes you get lose your breath faster.

    Wasted over $300 on that embarrassment, then I got it all night while it replayed at the bar. I would’ve rather seen a few kids with a future out there than Sather’s free agents.

    I’m still fuming about that game. I guess I should go get my car, it had a little too much to drink last night.

  48. For what it is worth, I didn’t post that opinion on the assumption that it would be agreed with by most of the folks, and in fact I was sure that it would not be.

    But one thing that I do knwo…the butterfly is often mistakenly confused as a “style”. It is not a style…any more than a clever stick move by a forward is a style…it is a tactic…and one that should not be so rigorously relied upon under all circumstances…unless of course one has to wind up limiting his capacity as a top flight major league goaltender. And explain how standing up with the pads together, and the classic pose of the goaltender with the pads together, his stick on the ice, and the option of then moving in either direction if necessary. Once in the butterfly, you know that he’s lost about 3/4th of his lateral mobility at speed. You see this time after time with all goaltenders. The make a great sacrifice of lateral movement once they commit to it. I don’t say one should not sue it..it has it’s place..but not as a key “style”. He’s a young guy, and by his consistent clinging to that peculiar style he has fostered, he has pretty much made his statement that he’s content with it, regardless of other opinion.

  49. this years team is better than last years team, but there are still some holes to be filled. I think the Rangers need a left handed play making center to play with Gabby, and a goal scoring left wing to play with Stepan. Anisimov is an improved player, but I am not sure he is a top 2 center. sliding him into the 3 spot, and Boyle to the 4 balances out the team. that is of course they are able to get the lefty center. of course they also need a stay at home physical DMAN. this would help MDZ the most. you can pair MDZ with said Dman, and MDZ could rome. much like Leetch having Buekeboom.

  50. For what it is worth, I didn’t post that opinion on the assumption that it would be agreed with by most of the folks, and in fact I was sure that it would not be.

    But one thing that I do know…the butterfly is often mistakenly confused as a “style”. It is not a style…any more than a clever stick move by a forward is a style…it is a tactic…and one that should not be so rigorously relied upon under all circumstances…unless of course one accepts limiting his capacity as a top flight major league goaltender. And explain how standing up with the pads together, and the classic pose of the goaltender with the pads together, his stick on the ice, and the option of then moving in either direction if necessary. Once in the butterfly, you know that he’s lost about 3/4th of his lateral mobility at speed. You see this time after time with all goaltenders. The make a great sacrifice of lateral movement once they commit to it. I don’t say one should not use it..it has it’s place..but not as a key “style”. He’s a young guy, and by his consistent clinging to that peculiar style he has fostered, he has pretty much made his statement that he’s content with it, regardless of other opinion. He has limited himself by sticking to what he’s been doing. He will have some spectacular wins……..but he will also be prisoner of his intransigence at learning another technique that will at least open up his options. Something that now that opposing shooters know enough to”go high’ on him, he can spike their guns. but to date he has displayed no inclination along these lines. If he ever did, with his established strengths…he would be awesome.

    Actually one of the most pitiful sights is to see a goal
    tender sprawled on his belly in the stomped spider pose with legs wide apart, arms and legs at full stretch, and unable to use either glove or stick, or move his body.

    He can do better..he should do better…but he probably will not do better, or he would have done so by now.

    This league right now has a remarkable group of outstanding goaltenders. And probably more coming up.

    And I stand by my opinion about the goal coaching on the Rangers. It shows little evidence of being much help to their goal tending, regardless whether the goalies
    stand by him.

  51. for example,
    Brad Richards centers Gabby, and Dubi.
    Stepan centers Cally, and Louie Ericcson( I know Dallas is not trading him, just an example of what I think they need). your play making center and goal scoring left wing.

  52. I missed part of a sentence above on the goaltender stand upon occasion, should have included the explanatory remark about ” it becomes a point of opening the 5 hole.” On the contrary – that stick blade flat on the ice in front of his feet positively seals the 5 hole at that point in time.

  53. Since I’m in a feisty mood, Fran, I’ll say I respectfully disagree with your post more than I did the last one.

    I still don’t profess to be an expert on goaltending technique, but I really don’t see how Lundqvist or any other goalie could just alter the fundamental way they have played the game for 10-15 years without huge difficulty, in the same way a golfer can’t just decide to completely change his swing.

    While I wouldn’t disagree that Lundqvist could become more adaptable, my understanding is that the butterfly style (still think it’s a style…) is largely predicated on positioning rather than pure athleticism. So it can appear immobile in some respects, but I’d disagree on the point about lateral mobility. There have been any number of saves Lundqvist has produced by lunging post to post, for example.

    “Peculiar style”? There are plenty of butterfly goalies – pretty sure they are predominant in the league, which would mean a lot of the “remarkable group of outstanding goaltenders” you refer to play a similar way. I’m no Patrick Roy fan by any stretch, but he seemed to fashion a pretty good career playing that way.

    As for the coaching, Benoit might be the less heralded of the Allaire brothers, but he has a decent track record and seems to have contributed to a fairly good legacy of French-Canadian goalies in particular.

  54. Gabby, fyi, it was me asking about St. Lucia…not Sally, LOL! congrats, have a great time and tell me island stuff when you return. mama love to mrs. Gabby!

  55. Is Lundqvist starting tonight in Minny?

    The team should be uber motivated,
    what with Gabby and Boogieman’s returns
    as well as the homecoming for Stepan and Sauer.

  56. Softqvist should sit out until he realizes how important every game of the season is, and he gets it through his thick Swedish dome that you can’t allow soft goals in every fuggin game like he has in the last three.

    Hopefully while that’s going on, Biron can help out. But, I have my doubts!

  57. Hal Jalikakiksave via twitter –

    Benoit Allaire has Lundqvist practicing the ‘moth’ technique

  58. Maybe not feisty, but without coming across as a devoted Henrik fanboy, I just think there’s an overreaction evertime the guy hits a bad stretch or even just lets in one bad goal.

    In particular, exaggeration of technical flaws (perceived or real) and amateur psychology seem to be the favoured means of demonstrating that he actually hasn’t been any good at all for the last five years.

  59. LW- (I mean LQ fanboy)
    While I agree with frans’ frustrations with the style I agree with most of what you say, good post. IMO if you take away the low shot with the pads you might want to over compensate with the glove high.

  60. just think if he didn’t have henrik…knowing sather we’d have jose theodore for 5 years at 6.5 million per

  61. I have as much faith in Biron, as I do Hank. As far as I’m concerned it’s a toss up who is the better tender. Hank gets all the King Henry hype, but Biron has been every bit as good so far. Neither in my humble opinion has been great. They are getting lots of shots though, and some of the d men have been making lots of mistakes, but there is nothing like a weak goal to turn the game against you.

  62. cmon guys, overanalyzing hank a bit. hes got a crap defense in front of him. and his soft goals against because he is still a caterpiller larva. he needs to go into a cocoon. come out like mothra

  63. I hope to think I’m pretty fair in my assessment of our guys. I’ve knocked LQ. But he is our guy and I want him to be our guy. I want to win with him. I wouldn’t want to trade for anyone else. He’s a NY Ranger. He has some issues right now and I’m sure he’ll work them out.
    Just saying, a visit to Dr Bob Rotella might be in order.

  64. The way I see it the so called butterfly goalies are simply playing the odds. They make themselves as big as they possibly can, and cover the most net they can. The knock on it, as we all know is they get beat easily up high. I am from the old school and always liked the stand up guys, that moved quick and squared themselves to the shooter. Most of those guys played the angles very well. They also flip floped around when they had to, but they were on their feet most of the time. I can’t even think of a goaltender that playes standup today. The guy in Buffalo stays up a fair bit. I guess the experts must think the butterfly is the way to go in todays game. Although I don’t understand why.

  65. AHa! A Good old fashioned argument/debate perhaps? I love it.

    I did not state that he should abandon his “style” and take on a new one…I have always believed that they should use any and all( procedures if you will) to insure better performance. One does not acquire a skill in one area, and when something new to them comes along, they cannot acquire the new procedure without breaking out in a cold sweat. It’s progressive learning, and psychology doesn’t enter into it at all. A
    Everyone can usually learn new skills as we go along. ( otherwise who beyond the age of 10 would ever be able to use a computer. It’s only a matter of personal application and determination to pick up new skills.

    I’ll name you a current goaltender who has made use of various ‘styles) and that is oh, what’s his name in the Devils lair……I dare not use his name lest I bestir the natives. And wherever did you get the idea that I had intimated that he’d never been any good at all? I never said that nor even hinted at it..in fact I specifically pointed out his athleticism – and over the past several years watching him, have oft commented on his courage and uncanny ability to move laterally in the goal ( when he is on his feet), but once he goes into the butterfly he is sorely limited in his range, and mobility… All goal tenders are are.

    And ALL goal tending relies upon positioning, for that is the basis of the skill..

  66. ZzZz NYR ZzZz " gonna get wild in here !!!"...& Greg L. on

    Losing last night sucked bigtime. Tonight , we right a wrong and come out all guns a Blazing this time!!!

  67. mothra had these 2 thumbelina girls sing to him and then he would fly out of nowhere and would flap his wings and kill godzilla!! haha

  68. lmao Grabby

    Creature Features and Abbott & Costello on a Sunday morning — you shoulda been there lol

  69. Grabby Grabby! How ya been? Is the little lady getting ready for Christmas? How’s your blood pressure?

  70. Fran

    Sorry, my comment about “never being any good” wasn’t directed at you specifically – though I think I remember you commenting about your suspicions that he’s always been closer to mediocrity throughout his career after a previous bad game/goal.

    I didn’t really want to bring up Brodeur (or subsequently my lunch) either, but he’s closer to the exception than the rule these days. He has actually spoken out about how he isn’t a disciple of the Allaire school and doesn’t think it’s necessary to play that way and I think has some concern about goalies being trained into an almost robotic butterfly style.

    Certainly, more than a grain of truth to that (his bitterness over Lundqvist’s “weird” style aside). Like I said, Lundqvist perhaps can be more adaptable. I just think it would be a big step for him to decide his style is all wrong and don’t really see it as stubbornness or intransigence that he hasn’t.

  71. Tiki-
    You catch any of that Bill Parcells special on NFL network? I was flipping during the first part of the Rangers game last night – I’d like to catch it again.

  72. ddeb – No, didnt see it. Just started playing FIFA and Black Ops midway through 2nd purriod (Sam Rosen’s way of saying period, ha!)

    ill look for it on NFL Network for you, though.


    Haha Mama!

  73. LW3

    If you think that I am upset about your comments then rest assured that I am not. I welcome them. What would this vanilla world be like if we all agreed? And who knows, you may be possibly the one who defies the old saying that “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks”
    ( Note the deft usage of the word, “possibly” rather than “probably”…heh-heh.) I must admit to a far lengthier
    time of residence on this planet than you ( as I am with most bloggers here), but all that this does is give me a longer perspective at viewing Ranger greats than you have. I would imagine that you are probably a mid 2-
    twenties fellow, ( about the age of my grandson), and
    I keep in mind the possibility – remote though it be, that you may be my elder. If so then you, like me, have the background of having viewed all the great historical
    players of this and the prior century in person and up front and in live action. No necessity to review historical records, some of their greatness is raw memory.

    Those old dudes, as my grandson labels them, would not last a period in this present day atmosphere of physical
    capability combined with size and combined with skill levels. In those days, players would show up pre season,
    (weight training was sneered at ‘makes you muscle bound” etc. )Train and bus rides on road games, no flying, and no sub goaltenders. ( Detroit had a team trainer who subbed as goalie on that account.) I believe his name was Wilson, but my memory dims.

    Slap shots were not used for the most part..mostly because they weren’t trusted. Remember..wooden sticks, flat blades, when a slap was tried it was so erratic that when aimed at goal might hit a lineman standing 20 away. Bobby Hull and his curved blade along with Boom Boom gave it instant legitimacy. The came the immortal Jacques Plante and his mask…and this changed the entire game forever. Off season workouts and being in shape on arrival was laughed at…they “played” their way into shape. Rocket Richard was almost a creature rather than a player. He was considered the most dangerous player in the league ( Gordy had not yet made his bones in this regard, but he was an awesome scorer (ambidextrous did you know?) often switched hands to go forehand either side. Yet most of them would have had trouble competing today. The sheer speed of the game alone would have been a wonder to them. And don’t overlook the fact that a great transition was taking place in world hockey brought about by the ….Russians.

    So we chit chat here, and offer our clever nothings, and play our private game of GM Superstar amongst one another. and it’s fun. And after all, isn’t the game itself fun? I have always thought so.


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